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Title: Best Editing
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 24, 2004, 06:26:47 PM
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Best Editing: 21 GRAMS

THE NOMINEES

21 Grams
Hulk
Kill Bill: Volume 1
The Lord of the Rings: The Return Of The King
Lost In Translation
Title: Best Editing
Post by: modage on February 25, 2004, 04:15:43 PM
aww, fuck this.  THE HULK?!?
Title: Best Editing
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 25, 2004, 04:21:01 PM
This is the award I'm most relieved about. The most innavatively edited movie at least since Memento, and it's not nominated for the editing Oscar (and Master and Commander is  :? )...
Title: Best Editing
Post by: modage on February 25, 2004, 04:22:57 PM
i thought the hulks editing was way more innovative than 21 grams, but i guess not everybody felt that way.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 25, 2004, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
i thought the hulks editing was way more innovative than 21 grams, but i guess not everybody felt that way.

That is a close call, but I would have given Hulk the cinematography award for a compromise.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 25, 2004, 04:54:05 PM
Ah come on...21 Grams had MUCH better editing.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: modage on February 25, 2004, 04:57:23 PM
Quote from: IP Freely
Ah come on...21 Grams had MUCH better editing.

no i dont think so.  actually the editing (like a lot of people) was my biggest complaint about the film.  there didnt seem to be any reason for it, (not that i want to open that can of worms again), but i think the hulk will be looked at as a film that really tried to do something new.  and opened up the boundaries of whats acceptable as a film, what goes too far.  i think it will be a major influence atleast on other comic book movies in the near future and on others farther down the line.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 25, 2004, 05:00:54 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
Quote from: IP Freely
Ah come on...21 Grams had MUCH better editing.

no i dont think so.  actually the editing (like a lot of people) was my biggest complaint about the film.  there didnt seem to be any reason for it, (not that i want to open that can of worms again), but i think the hulk will be looked at as a film that really tried to do something new.  and opened up the boundaries of whats acceptable as a film, what goes too far.  i think it will be a major influence atleast on other comic book movies in the near future and on others farther down the line.

Well I disagree. I found nothing particularly special about the Hulk's editing. At least no enough to say it'll be influencing any movies any time soon.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: modage on February 25, 2004, 05:07:55 PM
do you remember the movie?  almost every shot had an interesting transition of some sort or multiple panels or a morph between two shots!  its different from any movie i've ever seen!
Title: Best Editing
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 25, 2004, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
do you remember the movie?  almost every shot had an interesting transition of some sort or multiple panels or a morph between two shots!  its different from any movie i've ever seen!

Hrmm...maybe I'll revisit it some time soon.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: RegularKarate on February 25, 2004, 06:13:02 PM
yeah... Hulk had better editing.  

putting things out of order doesn't make good editing.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: modage on February 25, 2004, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
yeah... Hulk had better editing.  
putting things out of order doesn't make good editing.

 :yabbse-thumbup: thank you.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: BrainSushi on February 25, 2004, 06:49:09 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
yeah... Hulk had better editing.  

putting things out of order doesn't make good editing.


Yeah, and for all we know, 21 Grams could have been written just as it appeared on screen, meaning the editor did nothing innovative, just followed the script.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 25, 2004, 07:23:00 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
putting things out of order doesn't make good editing.

Yes it does! If it's meaningful.

Quote from: BrainSushi
Yeah, and for all we know, 21 Grams could have been written just as it appeared on screen, meaning the editor did nothing innovative, just followed the script.

If he planned to edit it that way, it's still editing.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: ono on February 25, 2004, 07:24:23 PM
I think it all depends on how it was written, really.  If the screenplay (story) was composed in a rather straightforward manner, then that gives a little more credence to the editing.  It poses questions, and then gives the answers, really taking advantage of the medium of film.  Then again, I haven't seen Hulk yet, but will in the next couple weeks, so I can't compare the two films just yet.  For me, though, the editing is the one main way in which 21 Grams truly excelled.  It got my vote here.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 25, 2004, 07:25:31 PM
Finally, Los Gramas gaņaran algo...

If this hadn't won this award... well, it wouldn't have won it.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: RegularKarate on February 25, 2004, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: RegularKarate
putting things out of order doesn't make good editing.

Yes it does! If it's meaningful.


no... making it meaningfull would be up to the writer or director.  It's usually not the editor's decision to make things non-sequential, it's usually embedded in the script or later decided by the director.  

Execution is what makes it good editing.

I'm not saying 21 Grams had BAD editing, it just wasn't really that different from anything else.  Maybe a little tighter, but not really all that noticibly so.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: Ghostboy on February 25, 2004, 07:59:55 PM
The editing in 21 Grams was great, regardless of whether it was planned or a random sequencer was fed into the editing program and the Avid spit out the movie. But The Hulk, if for nothing else, blew me away because of the editing. Some of those multi-panel transitions were breathtaking in their complexity. I've never seen anything like that before, on that level, and while I would probably exclude the Hulk from any other awards, I'd gladly hand this one over to it.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 25, 2004, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
no... making it meaningfull would be up to the writer or director.  It's usually not the editor's decision to make things non-sequential, it's usually embedded in the script or later decided by the director.  

But the director is involved in editing. Are we supposed to limit this category only to what the director doesn't touch?
Title: Best Editing
Post by: RegularKarate on February 25, 2004, 08:39:19 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: RegularKarate
no... making it meaningfull would be up to the writer or director.  It's usually not the editor's decision to make things non-sequential, it's usually embedded in the script or later decided by the director.  

But the director is involved in editing. Are we supposed to limit this category only to what the director doesn't touch?


No, what i'm saying is that the non-sequentialalitiness of it all is pre-decided.  It's part of writing.  It's a game plan.  It's the execution of it that matters... that's what should be voted on.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 25, 2004, 11:59:06 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
No, what i'm saying is that the non-sequentialalitiness of it all is pre-decided.  It's part of writing.  It's a game plan.  It's the execution of it that matters... that's what should be voted on.

It's not completely the non-sequentialness that I'm talking about, though. Even if the order of everything was cut together exactly as planned (which I find hard to believe), the transitions and the timing are pretty innovative.

And Hulk probably had storyboards... is that part of the writing process?
Title: Best Editing
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 26, 2004, 04:50:51 AM
Oh man, Jeremy Blackman, you're my hero.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: Pas on February 26, 2004, 12:16:40 PM
Quote from: IP Freely

Well I disagree. I found nothing particularly special about the Hulk's editing. At least no enough to say it'll be influencing any movies any time soon.


I don't know if the Hulk had the 'best' editing, but you have to admit it WAS special. I don't think you even saw the movie/know what editing is.
 
Quote from: IP Freely
Oh man, Jeremy Blackman, you're my hero.


Stop that.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: bonanzataz on February 26, 2004, 05:52:22 PM
hi. i just wrote pretty much the exact thing rk wrote and then went back and saw he already posted it. i guess it's b/c he's me with a moustache.

and, yeah, i hated most everything about the hulk. those "brilliant" transitions you speak of completely took me out of the movie every time they would happen.
Title: Best Editing
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 26, 2004, 05:56:19 PM
Quote from: taz.
and, yeah, i hated most everything about the hulk.

I still don't understand that.

Can't you at least appreciate its editing?