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Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: SubstanceD on February 18, 2003, 07:02:07 PM
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Donnie Darko is overrated and sloppy.  Sloppy and without substance? I have a really hard time with this movie because each individual scene is great, I really feel this, but when put together the movie lacks coherency, which is not neccesarilly a bad thing, but when the moron director spews BS all over the commentary trying to explain the BEAUTIFUL mess of a movie he's made, he completely ruins his own picture.  Am I the only one. Talk back. I'm curious.
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Post by: Rudie Obias on February 18, 2003, 07:52:00 PM
i somewhat agree with you about DONNIE DARKO but i still really like it.  richard kelly shows so much promise as a director and i'm very much looking forwad to seeing his next film.  i mean c'mon, tears for fears' madworld!  it's such a great song.  so i really like DONNIE DARKO.

if you wanna talk about overrated movies, let's talk about fuckin' THE USUAL SUSPECTS.  That movie is just an ending and once you've seen it once there's no real point in seeing it again.  damn what a bad movie.  fuckin' bryan singer.  then he follows it up by ruining X-MEN.  fuck that guy.  at least DONNIE DARKO need @ least 3 or 4 viewings before gaining an opinion.

my 2 cents.....
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Post by: Duck Sauce on February 18, 2003, 08:11:21 PM
Donnie Darko might not be one of the best made films, or full of substance, but I still thought it was cool.And rudieob, finally somebody who agrees with me about the usual suspects
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Post by: Xixax on February 18, 2003, 08:14:44 PM
I'm about ready to kick all of your asses.

Do not blaspheme the name of Darko.

This movie is is a gem. Beautiful, deep, funny when appropriate and genius.

To me, it doesn't get much better than Donnie Darko. It just doesn't.
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Post by: Ghostboy on February 18, 2003, 08:34:05 PM
I really liked Donnie Darko, but I agree that it has some substantial flaws. Also, this is just a pet peeve, but I was really disappointed with how Love Will Tear us apart was used...I just really love Joy Division and I didn't think the song was utilized very well.

When considering its problems, though, you have to consider its scope. Kelly may have been reaching too far, but what does work in the movie works really well.
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Post by: Ernie on February 18, 2003, 08:41:29 PM
Quote from: rudieob
i somewhat agree with you about DONNIE DARKO but i still really like it.  richard kelly shows so much promise as a director and i'm very much looking forwad to seeing his next film.  i mean c'mon, tears for fears' madworld!  it's such a great song.  so i really like DONNIE DARKO.

if you wanna talk about overrated movies, let's talk about fuckin' THE USUAL SUSPECTS.  That movie is just an ending and once you've seen it once there's no real point in seeing it again.  damn what a bad movie.  fuckin' bryan singer.  then he follows it up by ruining X-MEN.  fuck that guy.  at least DONNIE DARKO need @ least 3 or 4 viewings before gaining an opinion.

my 2 cents.....


Couldn't gree with you more on every single thing you said man. Fuck The Usual Suspects and Bryan Singer, definitely one of the most overrated movies of all time and definitely a movie with zero replay value.
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Post by: Cecil on February 18, 2003, 08:49:32 PM
well maybe you may think its overrated (i dont think it is though) but garbage?
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Post by: Raikus on February 18, 2003, 09:52:28 PM
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Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Donnie Darko is overrated and sloppy. Sloppy and without substance?


Exactly who is supplying you people with the bad crack? To say Donnie Darko lacked substance is like saying Washington lacks hipocrites. Lay off the bad shit and get yourselves new dealers.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 18, 2003, 10:18:50 PM
donnie darko is not garbage, but yet it is overrated. Also, thank god for someone saying praise for the return of Tears for Fear to movies. Great voices that made some great pop songs. Dennis Miller show was worth watching because it guranteed you heard "Everybody Wants to Rule The World". sad though they couldn't make a video worth shit, but most couldn't back then.

usual suspects is pure garbage though. a terrible film that was believed to be great through its ending, even though that had nothing to do with the rest of film which was just a violent movie and nothing else.

~rougerum
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Post by: MacGuffin on February 18, 2003, 10:19:53 PM
What bugged me was the "Hey, look at me, I'm directing" shots - the opening and the school hallway one scored to "Head Over Heels". Using those long, slo-mo stedi-cam shots (along with the sped up, time lapse ones) really did nothing to convey any story points. They were just there for a first time director to show his 'style' (that he stole from someone else) and because he liked the song and wanted to stretch it out. As cliched as using the dolly/zoom shot made famous in Jaws.
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Post by: Cecil on February 18, 2003, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
the opening and the school hallway one scored to "Head Over Heels."


i disagree. without any dialogue and in little time we are introduced to several characters and understand their relationships and whats going on with them (barrymore and dr. carter, that evil woman introducing the self help guy to the principal, whos oblivious to the fact that hes just walked passed a kid doing coke...)
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Post by: Rudie Obias on February 18, 2003, 10:28:14 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
What bugged me was the "Hey, look at me, I'm directing" shots - the opening and the school hallway one scored to "Head Over Heels." Using those long, slo-mo stedi-cam shots really did nothing to convey any story points. They were just there for a first time director to show his 'style' (that he stole from someone else), just like using the cliched dolly/zoom shot.


i really liked this scene.  its one of the best parts in DONNIE DARKO.  it introduced all the school characters in one scene.  my only problem with it was it wasn't one long take.  kinda like the beginning of BOOGIE NIGHTS but not as impressive.
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Post by: MacGuffin on February 18, 2003, 10:32:17 PM
Oh, I didn't know turning a leaf blower in a girl's face in slow motion was a character introduction.

You could have cut out these shots and not lost a thing.
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Post by: Cecil on February 18, 2003, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Oh, I didn't know turning a leaf blower in a girl's face in slow motion was a character introduction.

You could have cut out these shots and not lost a thing.


of course you wouldve lost something.
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Post by: MacGuffin on February 18, 2003, 10:38:51 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
of course you wouldve lost something.


What in the overall story would you have lost?
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Post by: Rudie Obias on February 18, 2003, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Oh, I didn't know turning a leaf blower in a girl's face in slow motion was a character introduction.

You could have cut out these shots and not lost a thing.


actually, you needed this scene to show the relationship between the father and the children.  besides frank dropped her off @ home @ the beginning of the movie.  again, kelly introduces donnie's family and frank in one short scene.
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Post by: RegularKarate on February 18, 2003, 10:42:14 PM
I don't think Donnie Darko is overrated.  Maybe by some members on this board, but seriously, there aren't that many people who have even heard of this film.

I think it definately had flaws, but I feel it's a great first film and shows promise for sure.

As far as Usual Suspects being a garbage film... no... it was a bad screenplay that got turned into a good flick.  Well acted and full of little subtlties that make it better to watch for multiple viewings.

And Singer didn't "ruin" X-Men, that's Marvel's worst comic... the most soap opera of them all... just crap and Singer made it look good.  I didn't really like it that much, but it had a good look and the sequel looks slightly promising as far as comic book flicks go.
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Post by: Cecil on February 18, 2003, 10:44:50 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
X-Men, that's Marvel's worst comic... the most soap opera of them all... just crap


have you ever read the classic issues or the modern stuff?
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Post by: RegularKarate on February 18, 2003, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
Quote from: RegularKarate
X-Men, that's Marvel's worst comic... the most soap opera of them all... just crap


have you ever read the classic issues or the modern stuff?


Read both... I was a comic book geek in my younger days... always really disliked Marvel... prefered DC and Darkhorse.  I got over my problems with Marvel in general and started to appreciate certain titles, but never liked X-Men, especially once it branched off into a different universes (of course, now that's what they all do)
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Post by: picolas on February 18, 2003, 11:16:20 PM
to me, donnie darko is one of the few movies that ever delivered on an insane promise. i watched the trailer. i got addicted. i had to wait months to see it and every day the hype just kept on growing for me. when it finally came to Canada, i rented it and i bought it the next day. it was everything i had hoped for and more. Frank as an image is something i doubt will ever fade from my memory. i'm with Xixax all da way on this one.
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Post by: SubstanceD on February 18, 2003, 11:45:13 PM
Maybe I should clarify cause I get carried away sometimes when I write these things. I don't neccesarily Think Donnie Darko is Garbage.  Really I just think Richard Kelly should have just shut up and never tried to explain what happens in the movie because it warped my view of it so much. A fine editing job. But seriously the more you watch don't tell me you all don't find that it's lacks reason.

As IN:

The Whole Grandma Death bit. Come on. Why build her up and then plut.

I don't know a few other things.

I really want to like it though. I do. The actors are great.
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Post by: ©brad on February 19, 2003, 07:32:04 AM
Quote from: RegularKarate
I don't think Donnie Darko is overrated.  Maybe by some members on this board, but seriously, there aren't that many people who have even heard of this film.

I think it definately had flaws, but I feel it's a great first film and shows promise for sure.

As far as Usual Suspects being a garbage film... no... it was a bad screenplay that got turned into a good flick.  Well acted and full of little subtlties that make it better to watch for multiple viewings.

And Singer didn't "ruin" X-Men, that's Marvel's worst comic... the most soap opera of them all... just crap and Singer made it look good.  I didn't really like it that much, but it had a good look and the sequel looks slightly promising as far as comic book flicks go.


The Usual Suspects is a bad screenplay? Lick my ass- was it not nominated for an Academy Award? Yeah I know a lot of poorly written films are nominated for best screenplay, but still- I thought the writing was brilliant!

As for Darko, much dialogue made me cringe. Fell asleep in the middle of it so can't really comment.
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Post by: Pubrick on February 19, 2003, 08:00:18 AM
Quote from: SubstanceD
I really want to like it though. I do. The actors are great.

yeah Jena Malone is bangin. enuff to make me like it. twice.

Quote from: MacGuffin
As cliched as using the dolly/zoom shot made famous in Jaws.

dude are u talking about the Vertigo effect?
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Post by: Xixax on February 19, 2003, 08:26:23 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
What bugged me was the "Hey, look at me, I'm directing" shots - the opening and the school hallway one scored to "Head Over Heels". Using those long, slo-mo stedi-cam shots (along with the sped up, time lapse ones) really did nothing to convey any story points. They were just there for a first time director to show his 'style' (that he stole from someone else) and because he liked the song and wanted to stretch it out. As cliched as using the dolly/zoom shot made famous in Jaws.

I suggest you see "Anatomy of a Scene" with Richard Kelly.

If you didn't first observe the significance of the Head over Heels segment, he spells it all out in that show. It wasn't directing for directing's sake. It all had a purpose.
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Post by: MacGuffin on February 19, 2003, 10:58:21 AM
Quote from: cbrad4d
The Usual Suspects is a bad screenplay? Lick my ass- was it not nominated for an Academy Award? Yeah I know a lot of poorly written films are nominated for best screenplay, but still- I thought the writing was brilliant!


Not only was it nominated, it won.


Quote from: MacGuffin
As cliched as using the dolly/zoom shot made famous in Jaws.

Quote from: P
dude are u talking about the Vertigo effect?


Yes, although Hitchcock used it for a subjective purpose, Spielberg used it for an objective one, and it is this shot, used this way that is used all the time.


Quote from: Xixax
I suggest you see "Anatomy of a Scene" with Richard Kelly.

If you didn't first observe the significance of the Head over Heels segment, he spells it all out in that show. It wasn't directing for directing's sake. It all had a purpose.


Everything has purpose to the director, but I'll give it another viewing. But BonBon's post at the bottom just makes me believe that he uses the shots just to use the cool music:
http://xixax.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=459
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Post by: RegularKarate on February 19, 2003, 11:24:44 AM
Quote from: cbrad4d

The Usual Suspects is a bad screenplay? Lick my ass- was it not nominated for an Academy Award? Yeah I know a lot of poorly written films are nominated for best screenplay, but still- I thought the writing was brilliant!


That's nasty talk for a cute little girl.

I thought the plot was good, I thought the movie was good, but have you read that screenplay?  That was one of the first screenplays I read.  It came in a box set with the VHS commentary.  It's really not a well written screenplay.  I can understand why it would be nominated, I doubt those people read it though, they just liked the movie and I do to, but if you read the screenplay, you'll see, it's just not very good without all the shit they threw in there to make the film good.
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Post by: Duck Sauce on February 19, 2003, 11:27:06 AM
Spielberg uses it in ET also.
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Post by: ©brad on February 19, 2003, 12:46:16 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
Quote from: cbrad4d

The Usual Suspects is a bad screenplay? Lick my ass- was it not nominated for an Academy Award? Yeah I know a lot of poorly written films are nominated for best screenplay, but still- I thought the writing was brilliant!


That's nasty talk for a cute little girl.



Didn't get my nap today.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 19, 2003, 03:54:02 PM
hah, I didn't know cbr was a female.

~rougerum
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Post by: RegularKarate on February 19, 2003, 04:34:43 PM
I didn't know that Gold Trumpet was a screenwriter.
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Post by: Bud_Clay on February 19, 2003, 09:11:02 PM
I highly agree about Donnie Darko being overrated. Although I'm not too fond of the word "overrated" because people who tend to use the word "overrated" usually are pompous idiots talking bad about 2001 in the process. I don't know why so many people like Donnie Darko. A rather mediocre movie I thought it was.
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Post by: Xixax on February 19, 2003, 09:12:24 PM
I see one more lines up for the flogging.

I don't know how much more of this blasphemy I can take.
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Post by: sphinx on February 19, 2003, 09:34:32 PM
Quote from: Xixax
I don't know how much more of this blasphemy I can take.
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Post by: Derek on February 19, 2003, 10:11:19 PM
I didn't care for the movie the first time I saw it. The direction IS a little too self-aware, the stunt casting didn't work, and it kind of felt that Richard Kelly knew that it wouldn't appeal to a broad audience right off the bat, so he muddled his messages to kind of square-peg it into cult status.

On the other hand, Donnie Darko has a funky ambience throughout the entire proceedings.
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Post by: ©brad on February 20, 2003, 07:03:06 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
hah, I didn't know cbr was a female.

~rougerum


im not. im just a guy who likes ponette. fuck off
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 20, 2003, 12:18:29 PM
fuck off? in memory serves correct, i wasn't the one giving you shit, it was the person that suggested you were a girl. I asked a honest question and I also admire the movie Ponette too. so you if want to try to be clever with telling me to fuck off, then do so. its your fucking words to waste.

~rougerum
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Post by: phil marlowe on February 20, 2003, 12:20:54 PM
Why are everyone so edgy at the time?
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 20, 2003, 12:25:57 PM
edgy is in. it gets higher ratings on tv so we feel it is best to bring it to this format in hopes of getting more of the 18 to 25 crowd to read what we say. We believe in this system, fuck off if you question it.

~rougerum
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Post by: ©brad on February 20, 2003, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
fuck off? in memory serves correct, i wasn't the one giving you shit, it was the person that suggested you were a girl. I asked a honest question and I also admire the movie Ponette too. so you if want to try to be clever with telling me to fuck off, then do so. its your fucking words to waste.

~rougerum


cbrad passes The Gold Trumpet a bottle of extra-strength chill pills

Relax, meant no hostility. Twas a joke my friend...
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Post by: RegularKarate on February 20, 2003, 12:45:29 PM
Quote from: cbrad4d
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
hah, I didn't know cbr was a female.

~rougerum


im not. im just a guy who likes ponette. fuck off


Notice how CBrad immediately changed his av to TREMORS, very phalic, very manly.
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Post by: Xixax on February 20, 2003, 12:46:27 PM
I miss Ponette.
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Post by: ©brad on February 20, 2003, 12:49:05 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
Quote from: cbrad4d
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
hah, I didn't know cbr was a female.

~rougerum


im not. im just a guy who likes ponette. fuck off


Notice how CBrad immediately changed his av to TREMORS, very phalic, very manly.


 :)
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 20, 2003, 02:15:16 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
if want to try to be clever . . .  its your fucking words to waste.


Recognizing irony on this board is a good way to prevent arguments... I learned that a long time ago.
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Post by: Pwaybloe on February 20, 2003, 02:29:30 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Recognizing irony on this board is a good way to prevent arguments... I learned that a long time ago.


Fuck off.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 20, 2003, 02:38:25 PM
Quote from: Pawbloe
Fuck off.


Pawbloe, you foul, dirty man. I would like to argue with you.
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Post by: polkablues on February 20, 2003, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Recognizing irony on this board is a good way to prevent arguments... I learned that a long time ago.


No irony on this board...

Dumbass.



And "Donnie Darko" is a good movie, albeit one that never really figured out what it was trying to say.
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Post by: sphinx on February 20, 2003, 05:01:50 PM
this board needs a good injection of budgie in it somewhere
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Post by: Duck Sauce on February 20, 2003, 06:18:59 PM
A lot of Budgie's beauty comes from her long disapearences. I miss her
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Post by: ©brad on February 21, 2003, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: Duck Sauce
A lot of Budgie's beauty comes from her long disapearences. I miss her


dios mio.
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Post by: THC on March 01, 2003, 08:43:10 AM
The first time I saw Donnie Darko, I was really into it and I couldn't wait to see it again.  I actually went as far as to buy it on DVD.  But after maybe the third time of watching it, I really started to see the flaws in it, and it became really cheesy and uninteresting.  and I totally agree with the guy that was going off on the DVD commentary.  I lost so much respect for the movie after listening to that commentary (that's probably the first time that has happend, usually I gain more respect).

But at the end of the day, it's the guy's first movie, and I think he generally did a good job with his inexperience and I am interested to see what he does next.
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Post by: MacGuffin on March 01, 2003, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: Duck Sauce
A lot of Budgie's beauty comes from her long disapearences. I miss her


Not as much as I do.  :yabbse-cry:
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Post by: Xixax on March 01, 2003, 10:27:46 AM
Well, gents. Xixax isn't completely babeless. We have BonBon!
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Post by: Ernie on March 01, 2003, 11:06:44 AM
I don't think I've ever actually seen any of budgie's posts. I hear about her a lot...is she a long time poster? What's the story with budgie?
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Post by: Xixax on March 01, 2003, 11:24:23 AM
one word:

CYB3R
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Post by: Duck Sauce on March 01, 2003, 12:19:38 PM
Budgie is a soul shaker....
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on March 01, 2003, 09:16:23 PM
I fnally saw Way of The Gun, or well, tried to. After the first hour, I had to shut it off due to it being unbelievably bad. It was a movie made like it felt every single scene possible had to be cute or clever with dialogue and never before have I seen a movie with more guns with less purpose than this one. I don't think I went 3 minutes without a gun being somewhere present in the story. The storyline was cheesy beyond belief and I was forced to grit my teeth and bare a 10 minute kidnapping of a pregnant woman in such silly fashion. Its amazing how much of Hollywood is liberal and against NRA but they have movies that go beyond anything promotion wise by the NRA can do to boost appeal for them. If I was in charge of the NRA, I'd love Hollywood. Movies have ton of more influence than some Baldwin complaining.

~rougerum
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Post by: moonshiner on March 01, 2003, 11:02:22 PM
i felt the very similar about Way of the Gun, a movie i really wanted to see but i couldn't get through the first 45 mins....and Donnie Darko was an excellent movie, a movie i still love, but i'm glad other cinephiles had a hard time putting together the disjuncted plot, even after listening to the commentary. It must not be me...Also, i think it almost purposeful on Kelly's part to make this a bit of cult favorite, given the references to Evil Dead, the Smurfs, and Married with Children (almost forgot about Joy Division). That alone subjects it to the claims of being overrated. Surprised no one brought that up. It is what it is. :roll:
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Post by: Ernie on March 02, 2003, 01:11:55 AM
I loved Donnie Darko...I'll never say I understood it but I fucking loved it. It was just a cool, at parts...really funny movie. Jake G is great and I'm in love with his sister. I've only seen it once, I've been wanting to watch it again ever since I bought it...I just think it's really cool. I'm a simple guy.
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Post by: MacGuffin on March 02, 2003, 01:19:55 AM
Quote from: Xixax
Well, gents. Xixax isn't completely babeless. We have BonBon!


Quote from: BonBon85
Quote from: bigideas

Question 2: where is the best place (cheapest) to buy new Criterion?


http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=530



And she can redirect!   :yabbse-thumbup:
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Post by: Sigur Rós on March 02, 2003, 04:22:26 AM
I didn't understand Donnie Darko either :) . I really loved it the first time I saw it and I couldn't wait to go' buy it. But when you have seen this film about 3 times you start to see its faults and, sometimes, ignoring dialoges (Drew Barrymore). I think that the script i the main problem. Gary Kelly is simple not experienced enough to write all the dialoges realistic and homogenic. But give this guy 1 maybe 2 films more and he will be even better..........and least i hope so :-D (damn love these smilies)
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Post by: Xixax on March 02, 2003, 10:00:00 AM
The movie has the opposite effect on me. The more I watch it, the more I love it. And, like Mulholland Drive, the more I understand it.

My wife hates it, and I can definitely see her reasoning. She says "if you have to listen to the commentary to figure it out, then the story wasn't told well to begin with."

To a point, I completely agree. However, after hearing the commentary, it was almost like I was let in on a big secret. And after hearing Richard explain the film in the commentary, upon further viewing, I find myself able to connect the pieces much better.

I still think that my attraction and love for this movie is more about the visuals and the music and the overall production rather than the story. Although certain aspects of the dialogue I still find amazing.

As an exercise in filmmaking, I have considered recreating the Smurf scene - just for fun. I still find that a great bit of dialogue.

Don't try to dampen my love for Donnie Darko or Richard Kelly, because you will fail miserably.

 :twisted:
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Post by: phil marlowe on March 02, 2003, 10:53:12 AM
Quote from: Sigur Rós
Gary Kelly


I don't think the person you're referring to is Gary Kelly. Grace Kelly I believe.
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Post by: snaporaz on March 03, 2003, 04:38:11 AM
overrated garbage?

boondock saints.

that movie was shit.

but yeah, donnie darko was cool. a bit on the "fan boy-legacy" side, but, who gives a fuck what fan boys think. it's the movie that counts.
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Post by: polkablues on March 03, 2003, 03:16:29 PM
Quote from: mike
overrated garbage?

boondock saints.

that movie was shit.


I don't think anyone ever claimed otherwise.  Hence the straight-to-video-ness of the whole thing.  Though you gotta admit Willem Dafoe's performance was just insane enough to be pretty cool.
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Post by: jmj on March 03, 2003, 04:11:16 PM
I’m with Xixax on this one.  I guess it depends on how you judge a movie.  You can say that whatever you see in front of you from the opening to end credits is what should be judged or you could say that everything surrounding the movie as it came into being should be taken into account also.  Those of you who are filmmakers that have actually made and screened a film will know what I’m talking about.  When your making your first short with $500 dollars you kind of ask people to take that into account when you introduce the movie.  In this case you have a first time director taking a classic question of science fiction (time-travel) and making it into a character driven drama instead of a sci-fi plot driven film.  I think Donnie Darko is wonderful and I appreciate as a filmmaker the techniques he applied and as an audience member him respecting my intelligence and ability to piece together clues.  Honestly you can take any film by any filmmaker and pick it apart until you find flaws of all sorts.  It all boils down to whether you believe a director is honestly trying her/his best to give you a good film.  I believe whole-heartedly that Richard Kelly was doing that.

BTW- I agree that boondock saints was a complete piece of shit and Dafoe was wasted in an over the top fake ass performance.  Also, Daredevil is the worst POS I've seen in a really long time.  It's the first time I've been pissed off walking out of a movie in a good long while.  What the fuck was Harry Knowles thinking in his review on AICN?  And what the fuck is up with all the invalid sessions?
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Post by: Xixax on March 03, 2003, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: jmj
And what the fuck is up with all the invalid sessions?

http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=608&p=9155#9155
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Post by: tpfkabi on March 03, 2003, 11:38:03 PM
i just saw DD. has there been a discussion over the meaning, etc here yet?

i don't think i'll ever fall in love with it til i figure it out. i'm the kind of person that questions things a lot and wants to know a definite answer. that doesn't mean i don't like random things in film, but with this film, the random things ARE the plot. i would like to discuss the film, and if it hasn't been done here already, i'll start a topic unless there are objections.
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Post by: polkablues on March 04, 2003, 03:25:03 PM
Quote from: jmj
Also, Daredevil is the worst POS I've seen in a really long time.


I've resigned myself to the fact that I'm the only person in the world who really liked this movie.
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Post by: polkablues on March 04, 2003, 03:25:23 PM
Augh... Double post!  How do I delete this thing?
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Post by: jmj on March 04, 2003, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: polkablues
I'm the only person in the world who really liked this movie.


Different strokes, different folks...
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Post by: Raikus on March 04, 2003, 03:47:28 PM
Quote
I've resigned myself to the fact that I'm the only person in the world who really liked this movie.


I had a decent time. Some aspects of the movie were good. It was better than I thought it would be (I had very low expectation entering the theater).

Of course, I went in with the mindset of having a good time, not with my critic's hat on.
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Post by: jmj on March 04, 2003, 04:02:22 PM
Quote from: Raikus
I went in with the mindset of having a good time, not with my critic's hat on.


How could you have a good time with that god awful music.  Trust me, I tried to overlook as much as possible and at least enjoy the action sequences but that fuckin' soundtrack killed it.

BTW- very nice avatar.
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Post by: Raikus on March 04, 2003, 04:51:17 PM
Oh, make no mistake. The music was plenty awful. I just was having a good night with my girl and not even Affleck screeching "Justice" could mess it up.

I walked out with a smile on my face and a hop to my step. And while Daredevil was no gold nugget, I had a good time. Simple as that.
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Post by: bonanzataz on March 04, 2003, 05:57:25 PM
I LOVED daredevil because it was just so fucking bad, and as we all know, bad movies make me smile.
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Post by: snaporaz on March 04, 2003, 07:11:46 PM
i have a quick question and i didn't want to make a thread just for it, but...

did anyone else find the cinematography and editing in requiem for a dream flat-out annoying? i mean, usually, i love crap like that. unconventional, different camerawork is usually great in my book. i saw pi a few years ago, before requiem came out, and i loved it. i think it's alot better than requiem and, to be honest, if pi lacked the photography it had [high-contrast b&w/handheld crap/that wierd harness cam], i probably wouldn't enjoy it as much. but with requiem, i felt aronofsky just went overboard with it. i still love the movie. great, horrendously depressing movie. and i really love it. i just have to not be distracted by it's eye-candy to really enjoy it.
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Post by: life_boy on March 05, 2003, 04:14:33 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz
...bad movies make me smile.


Bad songs make me smile.



"Where can you find pleasure
Search the world for treasure
Learn science technology
Where can you begin to
Make your dreams all come true
On the land or on the sea
Where can you learn to fly
Play in sports or skin dive
study oceanogrpahy
Sign up for the big band
Or sit in the grand stand
When your team and others meet?"
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Post by: children with angels on March 06, 2003, 08:38:45 AM
I'm probably going to get several cyberspace slaps for this, but I think Requiem for a dream is seriously overrated... I'm with Snaporaz on the editing style: really exciting and visceral the first time you watch it, but just screaming for attention, and kind of repetitive; but most of all, I just think the film is so blatant in its message as to almost negate the watching of it. It feels a little like a high school student-devised drama piece with carefully crafted, but empty, Social Conscience. I don't know. I just guess I preffer my social commentry with a bit more subtlety and ambiguity...
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 10, 2003, 02:46:04 AM
i so agree that Requiem for a dream is seriously overrated, the guy is so a fucking student , and not a original voice .

the only things in the film that i thought rang true were the old ladies talking to each other, i think he knows more about that world then he does about the drug world . the drug shit didn't feel right.

And the funky camera work , fucking amateur hour
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Post by: ©brad on March 10, 2003, 04:48:00 AM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
i so agree that Requiem for a dream is seriously overrated, the guy is so a fucking student , and not a original voice .

the only things in the film that i thought rang true were the old ladies talking to each other, i think he knows more about that world then he does about the drug world . the drug shit didn't feel right.

And the funky camera work , fucking amateur hour


(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:AzWEbd_dYGkC:www.shelbrooke.force9.co.uk/hand%2520holding%2520knife.gif)

I'd start running if I were you.
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Post by: snaporaz on March 10, 2003, 05:40:19 AM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
And the funky camera work , fucking amateur hour


hardly. the camera work was overwrought and distracting from the story, but to say the camerawork itself was bad or amateur...that's just fucking stupid.
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Post by: budgie on March 10, 2003, 12:08:09 PM
Well now, well now...

Requiem is repetitive. Also hollow and quite repulsively voyeuristic so as to undermine its so-called 'message'. Let's look at beautiful people slaving to the evils of consumption. Blah. And those s'posedly original surreal bits seemed so second hand. But thank you for reminding me that this is the movie I wished had been directed by David Lynch, who'd have got it by the throat instead of pussyfooting like a slavering but nervous poodle around its perimeter. I've being trying to remember that for ages.

As for Donnie Darko... who gives a fuck about the plot/meaning? I don't think it's the best movie ever but it was striking, and where I loved it was in the way it conveyed the viewpoint of adolescence, instead of the viewpoint of an adult making a movie about his teemage years. That's where the pop video visuals, the cheesy-earnest soundtrack, the sometimes lame dialogue and the messed up, black and white passion of the thing mixed up with the intelligence, philosophical and emotional complexity to make a little bit of gorgeousness, all figured most aptly in the entity that is mmm Jake Gyllenhaal.

In short, I'm with Mr. Xixax on this one. And Echo and the Bunnymen had me from the start (aahhh, another Mac close to my teenage dreams).
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Post by: Duck Sauce on March 10, 2003, 01:33:37 PM
Quote from: budgie
I wished had been directed by David Lynch, who'd have got it by the throat instead of pussyfooting like a slavering but nervous poodle around its perimeter.


What do you mean by this?
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 10, 2003, 01:38:14 PM
Quote from: snaporaz
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
And the funky camera work , fucking amateur hour


hardly. the camera work was overwrought and distracting from the story, but to say the camerawork itself was bad or amateur...that's just fucking stupid.


what i mean by amateur hour is, it reeks of film school show boating

it takes away from the film, and well it does not impress me

I am all for creative editing and shots, but it should never get in the way of the story.

his work reminds me of film school shorts and well ::Yawns::


get over it, the film is gay
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Post by: ©brad on March 10, 2003, 01:41:09 PM
a dude with the screen name 'Butterscotch Jones' thinks Requiem for a dream is gay?

if only you were half as charming as your name makes you out to be.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 10, 2003, 02:21:25 PM
Quote from: cbrad4d
a dude with the screen name 'Butterscotch Jones' thinks Requiem for a dream is gay?

if only you were half as charming as your name makes you out to be.


ohh i'm very charming look  :-D

My work alone bringing back tapdancing makes me quite the schmozzer

and well i see through this film, and well :: Yawns:: lets just say that its not my thing man.
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Post by: ©brad on March 10, 2003, 02:24:14 PM
i must admit i kind of dig your screen name. as for requiem, err- not everyone's cup of tea?- sure okay, but it's definitely not amatuer hour.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 10, 2003, 02:33:05 PM
Quote from: cbrad4d
i must admit i kind of dig your screen name. as for requiem, err- not everyone's cup of tea?- sure okay, but it's definitely not amatuer hour.


im sorry if i came across as a prick, i didnt mean too. Sometimes when you post, things come out in ways that they dont mean to.

i see what you mean about it being not everyones cup of tea. To this day i can not get many people to go with me on the cinamatic work of kenny rogers , the man was in the zone I tell you. God i love " six pack"

my quote about amatuer hour, cant be explained in a short sound bite. Its long and drawn out, so i will skip it .

Thanks for the props on the name , my folks were on acid when they came up with it , nutty
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Post by: jmj on March 10, 2003, 02:41:55 PM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
get over it, the film is gay


In terms of Requiem...it's different strokes different folks.  However I cannot approve referring to something as "gay" as derogatory.  Too long has this middle school slang gone unchecked.  I'm here to let you know, BJ, that just because you hate yourself for being homosexual it doesn't mean you can refer to other things you hate as "gay."  Unless of course you are an uber-goth, self loather and hate things that are "happy."  Then it is completely understandable.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 10, 2003, 02:44:25 PM
Quote from: jmj
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
get over it, the film is gay


In terms of Requiem...it's different strokes different folks.  However I cannot approve referring to something as "gay" as derogatory.  Too long has this middle school slang gone unchecked.  I'm here to let you know, BJ, that just because you hate yourself for being homosexual it doesn't mean you can refer to other things you hate as "gay."  Unless of course you are an uber-goth, self loather and hate things that are "happy."  Then it is completely understandable.


uh huh ok, well good luck with all that  :roll:
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Post by: sphinx on March 10, 2003, 02:48:32 PM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
uh huh ok, well good luck with all that  :roll:


i'm not even going to bother justifying why you shouldn't use 'gay' in that sense.  even though these boards have quite a high tolerance for a lot of other things, racial/discriminating slang is something we choose not to tolerate.

cheers
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Post by: Xixax on March 10, 2003, 06:34:00 PM
Sphinx is just up tight because he has a dick in his butt right now.

Actually, the phrase "gay" has been used to mean "lame" "sucky" and "retarded" for as long as I can remember. It's like calling someone a fag.

I think that it's been used so much that the slang has transcended any homosexual connotations. I'm completely unoffended by its use.

That is, unless someone is calling me gay, or a fag. Then I'll have to kick their ass.
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Post by: picolas on March 10, 2003, 07:44:37 PM
Quote from: Xixax
I think that it's been used so much that the slang has transcended any homosexual connotations.


but, y'see...i think it really hasn't.

as long as gay means gay (in the non-"look at me! i'm having a gay old time!" way), gay will never not mean being gay...

and regardless of whether or not someone thinks the slang doesn't actually refer to someone's sexuality, someone else will inevitably pick it up that way because it's the same freakin' word.

it's like calling someone you really hate a scarf and expecting them not to think that that means you think they're a scarf and, therefore, not something good because so many people have called each other scarfs already that the word is no longer attached to scarfs. somewhere down the road...someone's going to think that "scarf" means "scarf."

 :arrow:  :arrow:  :arrow:
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Post by: sphinx on March 10, 2003, 08:03:27 PM
Quote from: Xixax
Sphinx is just up tight because he has a dick in his butt right now.

Actually, the phrase "gay" has been used to mean "lame" "sucky" and "retarded" for as long as I can remember. It's like calling someone a fag.

I think that it's been used so much that the slang has transcended any homosexual connotations. I'm completely unoffended by its use.

That is, unless someone is calling me gay, or a fag. Then I'll have to kick their ass.


i'm not offended by it either, i just thought it was policy, or something.  i think greg's standards have been tatooed in my brain for too long
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Post by: cowboykurtis on March 10, 2003, 08:06:44 PM
When looking at Darko i think it is a very amature attempt at conciously making an "arthouse" film. the screenplay is so unfocused it's laughable. its almost as if he shot the treatment-- I wonder if any re-writes were done. there were so many subplots and tangents, that by themselves were nice, but when applied to the whole picture were self masturbation in a sense. instead of letting the story be told, he seemed overly anxious to prove his ability as this wonderkid. i found most of his techniques were excercized to distract the viewer from the empty characters. i think there's much more to be said for his visual sense of  directing.  THere is a shit load of potential i do agree. I think he first needs to learn how to seamlessly and  unobtrusively tell a story. If the story isn't there, which it wasn't in my opinion, it's all style and no substance.  if one can really say that using a tears for fears song, or shooting a scene overcranked is the true trademark as a genius, then we are speaking two different languages.
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Post by: Xixax on March 10, 2003, 08:13:11 PM
While I completely disagree with you, Cowboy, I love the way you argue your point.

Post on, Mr. Fishburne!
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 10, 2003, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: Xixax
Sphinx is just up tight because he has a dick in his butt right now.

.




never having had that happen to me I can not really relate to what the guy is going through, however i did once have a mishap with a broomstick while trying to show my cousin how to do the running man .

uhh that was bad , The pain the pain, the blood ohhh the blood,
and now thinking back on it well i can see how something like that will just ruin your whole day
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Post by: sphinx on March 11, 2003, 01:04:40 AM
i'llneverforgiveyouforthisxixax
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Post by: budgie on March 11, 2003, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: Duck Sauce
Quote from: budgie
I wished had been directed by David Lynch, who'd have got it by the throat instead of pussyfooting like a slavering but nervous poodle around its perimeter.


What do you mean by this?


Well, I thought some more about the movie afterwards, and decided that I probably dislike it for the same reason that I dislike Kubrick's films. While I take on board the satire of Requiem, and the way it points out our own voyeuristic and glamourising/escapist tendencies when it comes to drugs, sexual exploitation, and watching movies themselves, I find that the direction, like Kubrick's, adds up to a smug superiority that is only really possible for people who are in a comfortable position of power. I think in making such a film, or any kind of creative work that contains a socio-political comment, it's a very tempting position to take - outside the system and the petty squabbles of the masses - but ultimately I can't find that attractive or admirable, mainly because it's entirely dishonest (no one is truly outside the system), but also because I find it emotionally and erotically frigid and basically rather pathetic. A kind of scared to get your hands dirty kind of thing. The only scene in Requiem (I can remember) where the camera feels guilty is the dildo one.

What I consider to be the best satirical filmmaking isn't afraid to admit its own seduction into the world it's depicting: Fight Club is a good example of this. I think David Lynch's work is another, and his vision where dreamstates/hallucinations are concerned is also far more exciting. When i said he would take it by the throat, I wasn't talking in terms of being aggressive, but in his ability to be involved himself.
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Post by: snaporaz on March 11, 2003, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: budgie
What I consider to be the best satirical filmmaking isn't afraid to admit its own seduction into the world it's depicting: Fight Club is a good example of this.


so, you think that by casting the likes of brad pitt and having him and norton's faces advertising the film on posters and what-not makes it's satire better?

i'm not sure i disagree with you, but i'd like you to explain this opinion.
Title: Re: Overrated Garbage (I.E. Donnie Darko possibly?)
Post by: Jdaniel on March 11, 2003, 03:14:10 PM
Quote from: SubstanceD
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Donnie Darko is overrated and sloppy.  Sloppy and without substance? I have a really hard time with this movie because each individual scene is great, I really feel this, but when put together the movie lacks coherency, which is not neccesarilly a bad thing, but when the moron director spews BS all over the commentary trying to explain the BEAUTIFUL mess of a movie he's made, he completely ruins his own picture.  Am I the only one. Talk back. I'm curious.


I believe you are the only one.  Besides being one of the most intelligent films written, I feel the directing was entirely substantial.  However, I have not heard the commentary from the director and am ignorant as to whether or not he builds altars of himself.
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Post by: SubstanceD on March 11, 2003, 04:21:10 PM
Obviously you haven't read some of the other posts or you would know that I'm not the only one who thinks Donnie Darko is a piece of poop like your mamie.
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Post by: budgie on March 11, 2003, 04:59:07 PM
Quote from: snaporaz
Quote from: budgie
What I consider to be the best satirical filmmaking isn't afraid to admit its own seduction into the world it's depicting: Fight Club is a good example of this.


so, you think that by casting the likes of brad pitt and having him and norton's faces advertising the film on posters and what-not makes it's satire better?

i'm not sure i disagree with you, but i'd like you to explain this opinion.


Casting Brad Pitt works towards the thing I'm talking about perfectly, his presence being at once seductive and ironic, thereby offering a distant and a sucked in possibility. I think Fincher uses this and admits he loves Brad's/Tyler's whole thing even while he mocks himself and us and the Narrator for loving it too.

Advertising is a side issue. I'm talking about watching the movie and the way it's shot.
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Post by: polkablues on March 11, 2003, 06:17:09 PM
Quote from: Xixax
I think that it's been used so much that the slang has transcended any homosexual connotations. I'm completely unoffended by its use.


Dammit... I thought I was done being indignant for this week.  Anytime a word like "gay" starts being used as an insult, it makes anyone the word actually literally describes into a walking insult.  Would you say to someone, "That's so fucking Hispanic"? or "Don't be so Black, dude."  The fact that you're completely unoffended by its use is the problem, not the justification.

Budgie, you're more intellectual than I am.  Back me up here.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on March 11, 2003, 06:20:03 PM
I don'tknow if you are referring to Donnie Darko as satire, but it sure as hell isn't a satire. Richard Kelly can not even be compared to Kubrick. I do understand that some feel Kubrick's films to be cold and distant, however this by know means reflects his abilitly as a film maker, it rather reflects the stoires he chooses to tell. But as a craftsman and a storyteller he is one of the best that cinema has ever seen. The very fact that you would even compare Richard Kelly to Kubrick tells me that you are either careless with your words or uneducated. Whether you love Kubrick or hate him, to say that he his a egotistical man on a soapbox is ludacris. Look up the word satire and then watch Donnie Darko. Fight Club is a satire, Dr. Strangelove is a satire, Even Clockwork Orange is a satire.  Donnie Darko is a poor attempt at "trying" to be brilliant. A great film doesnt come about by the director striving for greatness. Greatness comes from having something to say. What the hell does Donnie Darko have to say?
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Post by: Xixax on March 11, 2003, 08:06:59 PM
Quote from: polkablues
Anytime a word like "gay" starts being used as an insult, it makes anyone the word actually literally describes into a walking insult.


Perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe the word "gay" still means "gay" and that it does still have homosexual connotations.

Nevertheless, this whole "accept anything" politically correct mentality bothers me. It's as if we're afraid to say that anything is wrong these days. This mentality attempts to drive home a thought process that says that there's nothing wrong with homosexuality. It is quite probable that you and I will never agree on this subject, but I say that being gay is aberrant behavior. It's not natural. It's not inborn. It's a choice, and it is wrong.

Before anyone goes off calling me a homophobe or a gay basher, let me state that my gay friends will tell you that's not true. While I don't agree with their lifestyle, that doesn't mean that I hate them as people. Just that I disagree with their behaviour - much like I would disagree with the politics of a liberal Democrat (except that I don't have any liberal democrat friends  :roll: ).

I won't force my opinions on you, but my opinions aren't going to change either. It's just the way I feel.

Any to anyone on this board who is gay, I am sorry that you and I disagree about your lifestyle. However, it doesn't mean that we can't sit down over a beer and talk about the things we do have in common (like great films). Let's not let it get in the way of being friends. If you can get past it, I can.

These views aren't the views of the board Xixax. Just the guy who calls himself that.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 11, 2003, 09:23:17 PM
:roll:
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Post by: Jake_82 on March 11, 2003, 11:26:31 PM
if you don't want to edit your speech because you feel like if you do you'll be opressed or something, at least try to be considerate
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 11, 2003, 11:38:30 PM
Quote from: Jake_82
if you don't want to edit your speech because you feel like if you do you'll be opressed or something, at least try to be considerate


i can dig that, but i don't think i said anything about hurting gay people

did i ?
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Post by: ©brad on March 12, 2003, 05:40:41 AM
Quote from: Xixax
It is quite probable that you and I will never agree on this subject, but I say that being gay is aberrant behavior. It's not natural. It's not inborn. It's a choice, and it is wrong.



 :shock:

how do u justify sexual orientation being a choice? why would anyone willingly choose to be a homosexual?
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Post by: snaporaz on March 12, 2003, 06:45:20 AM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
Donnie Darko is a poor attempt at "trying" to be brilliant. A great film doesnt come about by the director striving for greatness. Greatness comes from having something to say. What the hell does Donnie Darko have to say?


donnie darko is just a story. there's absoultely no message involved. the director knows this. all it is is some wierd live action comic book. no one ever said it was trying to be philosophical [except maybe some fan boys]. stop being such a douchebag and claim that the filmmakers were trying to and failing to be deep or brilliant, because they weren't.

this extremely vague statement "greatness comes from having something to say" is really fucking dumb. you sound like a fifteen year-old if you're making that your argument.
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Post by: budgie on March 12, 2003, 10:16:32 AM
Quote from: polkablues
Quote from: Xixax
I think that it's been used so much that the slang has transcended any homosexual connotations. I'm completely unoffended by its use.


Dammit... I thought I was done being indignant for this week.  Anytime a word like "gay" starts being used as an insult, it makes anyone the word actually literally describes into a walking insult.  Would you say to someone, "That's so fucking Hispanic"? or "Don't be so Black, dude."  The fact that you're completely unoffended by its use is the problem, not the justification.

Budgie, you're more intellectual than I am.  Back me up here.


Pfft.  

Well, anyway, polka is right, you're all too scared to abuse black guys but I'm saying nothing because then I get accused of anti-frat behaviour and people start calling me a ho.

And cowboykurtis, I was talking about Requiem for a Dream.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Pubrick on March 12, 2003, 10:39:31 AM
i'm black.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: cowboykurtis on March 12, 2003, 11:19:20 AM
hey snaporaz, if you're getting aggrivated to the point of callin me names you're the 15 year old. if you read my post, i was commenting on the post that was referring to darko as a satire. im saying its not a satire. im also commenting on someone's comment that kubrick was a hack. read the fucking words before you personally attack me.  i realize it's just a story. what a big man you are.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Xixax on March 12, 2003, 11:28:01 AM
Quote from: P
i'm black.

I'm black from the waist down, if you get my drift...

heh heh heh heh

 :yabbse-shocked:
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Post by: snaporaz on March 12, 2003, 12:20:31 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
hey snaporaz, if you're getting aggrivated to the point of callin me names you're the 15 year old. if you read my post, i was commenting on the post that was referring to darko as a satire. im saying its not a satire. im also commenting on someone's comment that kubrick was a hack. read the fucking words before you personally attack me.  i realize it's just a story. what a big man you are.


omg. i called you a douchebag. how soooo immature.

i read what you said about donnie darko not being a satire [which i agree with] and your views on kubrick. that's why i left that out when i quoted you, because that's not what was on my mind. my whole argument was against your claim that richard kelly made a poor attempt at trying to make a brilliant film. and i basically said "who the fuck told you it was brilliant?".

did you not say this?

Quote from: cowboykurtis
Donnie Darko is a poor attempt at "trying" to be brilliant. A great film doesnt come about by the director striving for greatness. Greatness comes from having something to say. What the hell does Donnie Darko have to say?


what does your views on kubrick or satire have anything to do with this comment?

no, so why bring that up? it's not like it negates my argument or your claim that kelly was trying to be brilliant or otherwise give a message.
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Post by: sphinx on March 12, 2003, 01:01:53 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
Donnie Darko is a poor attempt at "trying" to be brilliant. A great film doesnt come about by the director striving for greatness. Greatness comes from having something to say. What the hell does Donnie Darko have to say?


so you're saying that anyone who strives to be great will ultimately fail?
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Post by: cowboykurtis on March 12, 2003, 01:35:17 PM
i think if your goal is to be percieved as great, the work will suffer. if you are true to the story, all else will come with it.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on March 12, 2003, 01:38:38 PM
my reply about kubrick was in a response to someone elses post comparing the two in post. just out of curiosity, why are you so touchy about this film, and why are you letting my opinions get to you so much. what a big man you are.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: snaporaz on March 12, 2003, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
my reply about kubrick was in a response to someone elses post comparing the two in post. just out of curiosity, why are you so touchy about this film, and why are you letting my opinions get to you so much. what a big man you are.


haha. again with the "big man" crap.

i know to whom and why you were talking about kubrick, now stop bringing him up because that's not the fucking topic of discussion.

and i'm not pissed or anything - even thought that was pretty fucking annoying how you replied to my argument with something completely off-topic. i'm just letting you know that your comments were fucking retarded and unfounded. i don't care if you like donnie darko or not. personally, i think it's a good film. maybe great, but not amazing or anything. and frankly, that's totally irrelevant.

just saying, next time you have an opinion on something, try not talking straight out of your ass.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: ©brad on March 12, 2003, 02:02:20 PM
enough about donnie darko. this shit is getting wack. im out.
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Post by: jmj on March 12, 2003, 02:10:09 PM
Quote from: Xixax
I say that being gay is aberrant behavior. It's not natural. It's not inborn. It's a choice, and it is wrong.


You may not be a gay basher or a homophobe but you sure are ignorant.  If you ACTUALLY had any homosexual friends then any one of them can tell you that it's not a choice.  If you care to challenge yourself you can do some research on this and find out about it.  Homosexuality IS natural and it most certainly is NOT wrong.  If you could look past your southern conservative views then you might find that everyone deserves to live without being told they are wrong.  I grew up in Texas and went to a southern Babtist church where they attempted to engrain everything you're saying into my head.  Lucky for me I grew up and gained true knowledge instead of dogma and I realized there is a big world with all different kinds of people and as long as they aren't hurting or oppressing anyone then it's all good.  You CANNOT tell someone they are wrong for being who they are.  You may not consider yourself a bigot but by embracing the viewpoint that homosexuality is wrong you inherently reinforce the oppression of Gay people.
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Post by: polkablues on March 12, 2003, 02:27:06 PM
Mm... A good debate.  Now we're getting somewhere.

Xixax, I like you a lot, but why... why... would anybody choose a lifestyle that would cause them to be ostracized and abused by society?  Why would someone choose a lifestyle that would end up with him tied to a fence and left to die?

That dog just don't hunt.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: jmj on March 12, 2003, 02:45:09 PM
Quote from: polkablues
why... would anybody choose a lifestyle that would cause them to be ostracized and abused by society?  Why would someone choose a lifestyle that would end up with him tied to a fence and left to die? That dog just don't hunt.


Good point Polkablues...

I just wanted to bring up one other point in this discussion.  Consider the case of Albert Einstein.  Obviously he had an above average understanding for mathematics.  Do you think that he just woke up one day and said “Hey, I’m going to be good at math.  I choose math as my talent.”  Obviously not.  For whatever reason he was born with something that made him that way.  The same is true for homosexuality.  None of us know why people are born with the chemistry that makes them who they are.  As a society we have to accept the fact that there is no such thing as normal.  There is no “model human” we can judge people from.  All we can hope for is that everyone can do their own thing without hurting or oppressing each other.
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Post by: Xixax on March 12, 2003, 03:03:28 PM
First of all, before we go any further, let's agree that we can disagree about stuff and not take it any further than the discussion here. This board is an open forum, and everyone is welcome, so before we continue, let's say that nothing said here should be taken as insulting (or issued as such). That's not my intention, and from the intelligent responses I've seen to far, it's not yours either. Let's shake on it. This is not a hill on which I wish to die, OK?

Now that that is out of the way, let me comment on this:

Quote
Consider the case of Albert Einstein. Obviously he had an above average understanding for mathematics. Do you think that he just woke up one day and said “Hey, I’m going to be good at math. I choose math as my talent.” Obviously not. For whatever reason he was born with something that made him that way. The same is true for homosexuality.

Aah, but you see - we're not talking about a talent or skill. We're talking about BEHAVIOR. We cannot make ourselves be a mathematics genius. That's a gift we are born with. We can practice math, but we may never quite be as great at it as someone who is born with "the knack for it". However, being a homosexual cannot be compared with being a mathematics genius because one is a "gift" (something you're born with), and one is a behavior - something you DO.

Let's assume for a moment that someone is actually gay by some sort of chemical predisposition. Can they choose to not be gay? Yes. Can that same person who is born gifted in math choose to NOT be gifted in math? No.

By that reasoning, I suppose that I should say that the eating disorder with which I have struggled my whole life is simply inbred, and that since I am born with a disposition to overeat that I have no control over it and therefore I should just give up the fight. That's not true at all. Why am I a lardass? Because I have made bad decisions and given in to a learned behavior that is unhealthy. It's nobody's decision but my own.

Some people are fat, some people are gay, some people smoke, and some people are mathematics geniuses. Only one of the four previously mentioned traits are inborn. The other three are learned behaviors, or are achieved by "giving in" to that which one may find tempting.

And for the record, jmj, I do have gay friends, and they do believe it is an inborn trait. I simply disagree with them and we move on. No harm done. I am hoping that this convesation will have the same result and we can soon get back to argung about how great I think Donnie Darko is.  8)
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: snaporaz on March 12, 2003, 03:27:44 PM
xixax...if gay guys have told you themselves that they didn't choose to be gay, how can you argue with that? you think every fag on earth is lying?

by the way: yes, i think gays were born to be gay. and yes, i use fag to insult people. and no, i don't have anything against gays, except for my opinion that man-butt-sex is fucking gross.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Xixax on March 12, 2003, 03:31:16 PM
That was kind of uncalled for, Snap.

In response, I'll refer back to my previous message. I simply say I disagree with them.
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Post by: snaporaz on March 12, 2003, 03:33:09 PM
Quote from: Xixax
That was kind of uncalled for, Snap.

In response, I'll refer back to my previous message. I simply say I disagree with them.


what exactly was uncalled for? was a tiny bit of sarcasm somehow offensive?

sorry, i was just getting my two cents in.

i know you disagree with them and i don't want to start fighting like little girls either.

i'm just curious how you have come to the conclusion that gay people choose to be gay, even when gay guys tell you themselves that they didn't choose. if you disagree with them, that must mean you think they're lying. right?
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Post by: jmj on March 12, 2003, 03:35:37 PM
I’m highly offended that you would lump homosexuality in the same category as overeating and smoking.  That’s just another ignorant statement.  If you study sociology and behavioral science then you know that one could argue EVERYTHING is a reaction to behavioral tendencies.  Your opinion is obviously based on the fact that you can’t think of homosexuality as anything more than SEX.  It is not about that.  If you would think of homosexuality in terms of a relationship you might be able to see where I’m coming from.  Seeking a relationship with someone you are attracted to is completely natural.  The whole subject of sexual behavior is a completely different topic.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: snaporaz on March 12, 2003, 03:43:07 PM
Quote from: jmj
Your opinion is obviously based on the fact that you can’t think of homosexuality as anything more than SEX.


whoah whoah whoah. slow down there nigga. i may have some interesting evidence regarding this statement.

i have worked in a porno theater. graveyard shift. i would say that something like 75% of the people that went into the place at that time were homosexuals seeking anonymous sex. no one there is looking for boyfriends. they were only looking for sex. believe me, i have seen the worst of humanity from working in that place - don't ask for specifics. now, you could say that those people were just sick perverts, nothing more, and that it doesn't have anything to do with them being gay. however, the fact is, way more than half of the people that went in there were homosexual males. and that's compared to the very small population of gays out of the entire populace.

i just think that says something about a large section of the gay community.
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Post by: Xixax on March 12, 2003, 04:03:22 PM
Quote
if you disagree with them, that must mean you think they're lying. right?


No, not at all. I don't think they're lying, I just think they're mistaken. Big difference.


JMJ's avatar with Bjork is strangely appropriate for this thread!
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Post by: life_boy on March 12, 2003, 04:12:22 PM
I'm divided on this issue.  I'm not really sure where I stand, I'm still trying to think it through properly.  Natural vs. Choice.  On one hand I say why am I a heterosexual?  I don't remember making a conscious choice to be one.  So, does this make homosexuality natural, not a choice but something that just happens, something that was 'inborn' as it has been discussed earlier?  

On the other hand though, behaviour patterns are not completely choices, but they're not completely natural character traits either.  The people, places and things around us play into how we are who we are.  Let me give an example of how I am thinking.  I don't like to eat macaroni.  I didn't make a conscious choice not to like macaroni, but that doesn't mean I didn't make a choice, even if it was subconsciously.  No one in my family likes macaroni and we never had it for lunch or dinner as a kid so is my not liking macaroni a subconscious choice or somehow engrained in me through years of eating something else?  Would I like macaroni if my sister had liked it?  What if we lived in a different state?  What if my dad worked in a factory rather than a hospital?

Obviously, I'm just asking more questions and not giving answers to any of them.  This is not something I will solve today, if ever.  I doubt this whole thing is as cut-and-dried as being either one or the other.  There is probably a little more to it than that.  So, I haven't solved a thing, just muddied the waters even more for myself.  Oh well, let's get back to talking about movies.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: jmj on March 12, 2003, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: snaporaz
I have worked in a porno theater. graveyard shift. i would say that something like 75% of the people that went into the place at that time were homosexuals seeking anonymous sex. no one there is looking for boyfriends. they were only looking for sex. believe me, i have seen the worst of humanity from working in that place - don't ask for specifics. now, you could say that those people were just sick perverts, nothing more, and that it doesn't have anything to do with them being gay. however, the fact is, way more than half of the people that went in there were homosexual males. and that's compared to the very small population of gays out of the entire populace.


This information was obtained in completely un-scientific manner and can be considered nothing more than an opinion.  Besides that, if you consider the place you were, a smut house that pedals sex, then what else are people coming there looking for.  You can't gage an entire section of the population based on your elementary study at work.   Seriously...I can't tell if you're being a sarcatic jack ass or not.  But this is just plain stupid.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Pedro on March 12, 2003, 04:38:54 PM
Quote from: snaporaz
Quote from: jmj
Your opinion is obviously based on the fact that you can’t think of homosexuality as anything more than SEX.


the fact is, way more than half of the people that went in there were homosexual males. and that's compared to the very small population of gays out of the entire populace.

i just think that says something about a large section of the gay community.


Think of this in another way...you saw say 100 gay people for anonymous sex?  This is out of how many millions of gays in the world? Not all of them are like that I assure you, and just because the majority of people wanting anonymous sex where you were working were gay doesn't mean the majority of people who are gay, want anonymous sex.  And hell, how many straight people do you know who want anonymous sex?  Alot exist.  They're looked at in a lot less hostile way, probably just because they're not gay.  As far as the choose homosexuality thing...I am straight and I never have one day decided..."You know...I think im gonna be in heterosexual relationships"...That's just how it happened...I just felt that that was what I wanted.  It's more of a feeling than a choice.  So I am arguing everything you said could be argued in your post. And because I think it's right.  

You know I still love and respect you right?  This is just where you and I differ...even if you hated my avatar...
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Xixax on March 12, 2003, 04:41:51 PM
Quote from: Pedro the Wombat
You know I still love and respect you right?


Add dinner and a movie to a line like that and I'd put out for you, Pedro!
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Post by: RegularKarate on March 12, 2003, 04:49:07 PM
Quote from: Xixax

Let's assume for a moment that someone is actually gay by some sort of chemical predisposition. Can they choose to not be gay? Yes. Can that same person who is born gifted in math choose to NOT be gifted in math? No.


Well this whole Einstein comparison is no good, but I think your response is more ridiculous.

I just don't see how someone as intelligent as you seem to be can think that being gay is a choice.  You are or you aren't.

If we were to stick with the math analogy... someone can be gifted in Math and while they can't CHOOSE not to be gifted in Math, they can choose to pretend they don't even like math and pretend to be good at English,even though they're really bad at it and just fucking hate it, but because others say math is wrong, they live a lie for the rest of thier life.

So, the answer is "yes", you can choose whether or not you have sex with members of the opposite sex, but you can't choose whether or not you're GAY.  Just like you can choose whether or not to take Advanced Trig, but you can't choose whether or not you're super gifted in that area.

Let me ask you this... if, for some bizarre reason (accept it for me, please) Men, all of a sudden can get other men pregnant and not women and it's announced that guys should just turn around and fuck other guys for now.  Would you do it?  Don't fucking lie, because I wouldn't.... You know why?  Because I like women.  That's what I am naturally drawn to.  It's not the same for others.

I can accept the fact that we're going to just disagree here, I just want you to accept the fact that I think you are so god damned wrong, it's sad.

Regarding the whole "calling things 'gay'" stuff.  I don't associate the two in a negative way and I don't know that many people (whose oppinions matter to me) that do either.  If, all of a sudden, my gay friends said it bothered them, I would stop out of respect, but I don't use it that often and haven't heard any protests this far.

Now... calling people "fags" is a different matter.  "Fag" was a hateful word that was created to hurt specific people.  I, personally don't use it.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: snaporaz on March 12, 2003, 05:05:24 PM
Quote from: Pedro the Wombat
Think of this in another way...you saw say 100 gay people for anonymous sex?  This is out of how many millions of gays in the world? Not all of them are like that I assure you, and just because the majority of people wanting anonymous sex where you were working were gay doesn't mean the majority of people who are gay, want anonymous sex.  And hell, how many straight people do you know who want anonymous sex?  Alot exist.  They're looked at in a lot less hostile way, probably just because they're not gay.


i never said that my experience and observations from working in that place in any way represent an accurate depiction of homos, nor that "all of them are like that", like you twisted my words into. i'm just saying that...well....what percentage of the male population are homosexuals? i'll be generous and say 5%. and when more than half of the people that went into my store looking for man-whores to suck their dicks or something were gay...

...that just leads me to believe that a significant portion of the gay community are promiscous.

maybe that porno store in south texas is simply a hotbed for homos. i don't know. i just know it says something about gays.

just tell me...how come most of the whores that went into that store weren't straight, or otherwise in accordance with the general ratio of straight to homo?
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Post by: RegularKarate on March 12, 2003, 05:12:27 PM
I know you're trying to be funny Snaporaz, and you're entitled to your opinion (even though I think it's a very ignorant and unscientific assumption), but the way you're going about presenting it aint kosher and your language choice and frequency of it are pushing it.
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Post by: snaporaz on March 12, 2003, 05:46:44 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
I know you're trying to be funny Snaporaz, and you're entitled to your opinion (even though I think it's a very ignorant and unscientific assumption), but the way you're going about presenting it aint kosher and your language choice and frequency of it are pushing it.


oh christ. this is another one of those topics where i can't use any slang or derogatory words without sounding in-valid.

and i never said that my observations were scientific.

just forget everything that i said about what I think.

but shit, if you saw what i saw, you too would ask yourself "why aren't straight people looking to get off here nearly as much as the gay people are?".
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Post by: RegularKarate on March 12, 2003, 05:55:12 PM
Once again... has nothing to do with your opinion, it's your choice of words that I'm having a problem with.
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Post by: snaporaz on March 12, 2003, 06:04:21 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
Once again... has nothing to do with your opinion, it's your choice of words that I'm having a problem with.


nevermind my choice of words. if you have a problem with my words, wel...then that's your problem. i don't see why it's so important that my language has to be so judicious just because a certain topic has to be so politically correct.

my choice of words is irrelevant to the topic of conversation. so if you want to argue, let's stay on topic.

and please don't take my comments as some sort of "personal attack" or something simply because we have disagreements.
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Post by: Xixax on March 12, 2003, 06:19:22 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
I can accept the fact that we're going to just disagree here, I just want you to accept the fact that I think you are so god damned wrong, it's sad.

No problem. I can certainly accept the fact that you think I'm wrong. You're not saying that I am wrong. You're saying that in your opinion I am wrong. And there is a world of difference between those two.

My brain hurts. Let's talk about something else.

Creationism, anyone?

 :twisted:
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Post by: Bud_Clay on March 12, 2003, 06:24:13 PM
Quote from: Xixax
(except that I don't have any liberal democrat friends  :roll: ).


that makes me sad michael. i thought i was your friend.  :(
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Post by: picolas on March 12, 2003, 06:28:51 PM
okay. i feel i've got to post something here or i'm going to explode. it's nothing new, different, or original, but if i didn't throw my change into this fire i'd feel...well...not good.

Xixax. i have much respect for you, but i disagree to the largest possible degree of disagreance. i think people can choose to be gay as much as they can choose to eat the moon for breakfast and wash it down with a barrel of stomach acid, then run for president of Glasgow and win solely based on their views concerning particle acceleration in the new millennium all in the same day while riding a unicycle backwards to the top of Mount Everest to evade the ghost of Nixon.

men don't have that effect on me because i decide against it, but because my body just wasn't programmed that way and i'll be darned if i can wake up tomorrow and decide to be attracted to men and suddenly become attracted to them of my own volition.

now i think i'm going to step back, take a walk outside, and hope that this thread comes to an end soon...


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Post by: Xixax on March 12, 2003, 06:34:27 PM
Quote from: Bill Maplewood
that makes me sad michael. i thought i was your friend.  :(

Don't ask don't tell, G!  :)
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Post by: Cecil on March 12, 2003, 07:50:07 PM
i agree with xixax. there comes a time in everyboys life where he must decide whether to be gay or not. i flipped a coin. what did the rest of you do to choose?
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Post by: BonBon85 on March 12, 2003, 08:30:26 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
there comes a time in everyboys life where he must decide whether to be gay or not. i flipped a coin. what did the rest of you do to choose?


Anybody ever watch "tales of mere existence"? This thread reminds me of one: http://www.ingredientx.com/watch/tales/pickle.htm
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 12, 2003, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: snaporaz
i don't have anything against gays, except for my opinion that man-butt-sex is fucking gross.


this sums it all up for me too i agree with this opinion
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Post by: Pedro on March 12, 2003, 09:51:17 PM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
Quote from: snaporaz
i don't have anything against gays, except for my opinion that man-butt-sex is fucking gross.


this sums it all up for me too i agree with this opinion


Hmm...Think of it this way...to gay guys "Man and woman penis in vangina sex is fucking gross"..."You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it."
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 12, 2003, 10:11:27 PM
Quote from: picolas
Xixax. i have much respect for you, but i disagree to the largest possible degree of disagreance


Same here.

Homosexuality has been scientifically proven to be genetic. Mr. Xixax, I don't mean to say I'm right and you're wrong, cause there is always a potential for mass conspiracy.  :shock:

The thought that people can prevent themselves from "turning" gay opens up a nasty can of worms. Should the government set up therapy for homosexuals? Would it eventually become illegal? (there are a shocking number of state laws already that make gay sex illegal). That thought is also like an outgrowth of evangelical religion, the whole mentality that people can be converted.

The myth that homosexuality is "wrong" (like most bad things in the world) comes from a long history of tyrannical right-wing religion. It's not based in anything else. Just a conservative tradition of mythology, superstition, and oppression that has weaved itself into our society and our collective attitudes.

That said, there is absolutely no reason that any government should outlaw or disallow gay marriage. It's like a human right.

Quote from: cecil b. demented
there comes a time in everyboys life where he must decide whether to be gay or not. i flipped a coin. what did the rest of you do to choose?


I used the Twister spinning thing.
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Post by: bonanzataz on March 12, 2003, 10:47:27 PM
I don't see why people get their panties in a bunch about such things. Love who you want to love, fuck what other people have to say. It's just a penis or a vagina, depends on what you prefer. The ancient Greeks had no problems with it. Why do we flip out over it so much. I've just come to think of homosexuality as a dead issue. I don't care if one is gay or not, it really doesn't matter to me who somebody else falls in love with (unless it directly affects me in some way... I really only care about myself (ha. ha.)).
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 12, 2003, 10:52:33 PM
everytime i read one of bonanzataz posts i find myself singing

"Everyday, it's a gettin' closer, Goin' faster than a roller coaster..."
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Post by: Pubrick on March 13, 2003, 04:41:42 AM
what the fuck is going on in this thread?

bonanzataz has the revolutionary forward way of thinking and anything else is unjustified passive aggression and misplaced denial.

worst argument ever.
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Post by: budgie on March 13, 2003, 06:54:53 AM
Quote from: Xixax
Nevertheless, this whole "accept anything" politically correct mentality bothers me. It's as if we're afraid to say that anything is wrong these days.


I have a feeling that this is at least partly the motivation for a lot of the gay-bashing going on here, the whole fear of being part of a 'bland' society. It's easy to criticise political correctness (aka consideration and respect for difference) when you're not on the receiving end of abusive people who really are part of a bland majority and who are trying to spice up their own lives by acting 'rebellious'. Seems to me that is a behavioural choice.
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Post by: jmj on March 13, 2003, 08:10:08 AM
Quote from: Xixax
Creationism, anyone?


Holy Shit!  And after that can we discuss abortion or maybe cloning?

BTW- thank you Pedro, Cbrad, Bill Maplewood, Picolas, Jeremy Blackman, Polkablues, RegularKarate, bonanzataz, and Budgie.  I'm glad I'm not alone in this and America may still have hope for actual Gay rights.

As for Xixax and the others...well I don't hate but I can't say that I agree to disagree.  Opression, both social and legal, is something that I take very seriously.  Like I mentioned before, by embracing the opinion that Homosexuality is wrong then you are inherently supporting the oppression of Gay people in America.  That's pretty much all I have to say so I'm signing off this discussion.

So in an attempt to turn this thread back to film can we talk about how much "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" sucked and it's ridiculous that people have made that into a benchmark for how great an Indie film can be.  Shit, I'll probably be redirected 'cos this has probably been discussed already.
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Post by: bonanzataz on March 13, 2003, 03:11:29 PM
poop.
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Post by: polkablues on March 13, 2003, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
i agree with xixax. there comes a time in everyboys life where he must decide whether to be gay or not. i flipped a coin. what did the rest of you do to choose?


A helluva good point, told in a humorous way.  Mmm...

Xixax... I just want to clarify something about your point of view... say you have two pictures in front of you; a naked woman, and a naked man... Every man would be naturally aroused by the woman, because that's the natural order of things... But some men would just say "forget that, I'm going to be gay!" and he then... what, trains himself to be aroused by the man?  I just think that would take a great deal more work than your average guy would be willing to put into changing his sexual orientation.
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Post by: Xixax on March 13, 2003, 04:59:47 PM
OK, I'll come clean. You people are starting to sound like you're getting pissed and wanting to leave the board or some shit like that, so I'll clarify something...

To a point, I was just trolling and I feel kinda bad stirring all of this up when I was really just saying a lot of that stuff to agitate.

Frankly, I have no clue as to whether or not homosexuality is a born-in trait, or if it is a conscious choice that someone makes. I am actually more inclined to believe that it's more of an environmental influence than one of genetics, and that you don't just wake up one day and decide "I'm going to be gay." More likely, it's a behavior that comes from a screwed up father figure or something like that. Who knows. I'm not a psychologist.

I was perpetuating the argument for the sake of conversation (as I often do over lunch with friends). I was going to keep playing the devils advocate, but since it was really getting heated, I thought it best to diffuse the argument since it became apparent that the discussion wasn't going to die on its own.

There were certain aspects of my previous messages that I do actually believe. I do personally believe that homosexuality is wrong, but that doesn't mean I hate gay people. And yes, I do have some (although they are few) gay friends. Does it bother me that they're gay? No. Do I disagree with their lifestyle? Yes. But I don't let it get in the way of our friendship. I'd hope the same could be said for you guys here.

I would venture to guess that many of my personal beliefs would be considered wrong to you guys, so there's no harm done there. I am sure I would be crucified if I told you a lot of things that I do believe in.

Let's just make this conversation go away, now, OK? I promise never to troll again. In the near future. I swear.

Damn you people get worked up over this message board stuff, man!
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Post by: Cecil on March 13, 2003, 07:44:41 PM
Quote from: jmj

BTW- thank you Pedro, Cbrad, Bill Maplewood, Picolas, Jeremy Blackman, Polkablues, RegularKarate, bonanzataz, and Budgie.  I'm glad I'm not alone in this and America may still have hope for actual Gay rights.


LOL why am i not on that list?

Quote from: cecil b. demented
i agree with xixax. there comes a time in everyboys life where he must decide whether to be gay or not. i flipped a coin. what did the rest of you do to choose?
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 13, 2003, 09:32:01 PM
Quote from: Xixax
OK, I'll come clean. You people are starting to sound like you're getting pissed and wanting to leave the board


fuck um let um go

the world does not need any more p.c thug thought nazi's coming down on us because we think for ourselves .

it scares some people when some of us think for ourselves, and thats a good thing we should scare them.

p.s to shame jmj for dragging jam master Jay into your web of cliches
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Post by: Cecil on March 13, 2003, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones

it scares some people when some of us think for ourselves


uh, yeahhhhhhh, thats the reason. has nothing to do with being condescending towards homosexuals because of them being homosexuals, nooooo. its because you think for yourselves.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 13, 2003, 10:32:36 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones

it scares some people when some of us think for ourselves


uh, yeahhhhhhh, thats the reason. has nothing to do with being condescending towards homosexuals because of them being homosexuals, nooooo. its because you think for yourselves.


if we go back to the root of this

it all started because i was reprimanded for calling a film gay , thats all

by the way besides saying things are gay i also use the expression " Thats rather frat-boyish" and i also call some things " Hickish"

by your logic, shouldn't it also be wrong to call something " frat-boyish"

is that not also slamming a group of people for un fair reasons

since its not deemed cool in your world to stick up for guys in frats sadly they will not get the support that gay people do, but who cares . i don't know if want to spend any more time pointing out how p.c thugs are out and out hypocrites

lots of people use words that i think are lame , i just let it slide and lead by example i don't stop and try and censor anyone because they pissed me off.

what budgie and jmj are doing is even worse , they want to censor people based on the idea that some people have opinions that stand outside the " hipster agenda"
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Post by: Cecil on March 13, 2003, 10:37:06 PM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones

if we go back to the root of this

it all started because i was reprimanded for calling a film gay , thats all

by the way besides saying things are gay i also use the expression " Thats rather frat-boyish" and i also call some things " Hickish"

by your logic, shouldn't it also be wrong to call something " frat-boyish"

is that not also slamming a group of people for un fair reasons

since its not deemed cool in your world to stick up for guys in frats sadly they will not get the support that gay people do, but who cares . i don't know if want to spend any more time pointing out how p.c thugs are out and out hypocrites

lots of people use words that i think are lame , i just let it slide and lead by example i don't stop and try and censor anyone because they pissed me off.

what budgie and jmj are doing is even worse , they want to censor people based on the idea that some people have opinions that stand outside the " hipster agenda"


irrelevant. the conversation has shifted into something else. many objections were about calling homosexuality a "choice" and not about using the term "gay."
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Post by: bonanzataz on March 13, 2003, 10:39:07 PM
I use gay as an insult all the time. I'm with Xixax in thinking that saying something is gay isn't inferring that it's homosexual itself. If you call a movie gay, it doesn't mean there's dude's kissing in it all over the place. It's just saying you don't like the movie. If I know a person is offended by that or any other term, I'll know not to use the term in front of that person. As simple as being considerate to certain people.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 13, 2003, 10:49:17 PM
cecil i never said that , or even think that, but i do respect xixax for having the balls to share a opinion that so goes against the grain here on this website.

plus He never said " lets go and bash and kill fags"

all he said was a opinion, and who knows he may be right this is not a cut and dry thing, science has never ever come out and said 100% that people are born gay . Me I think some people are born gay :: thinks back to johnathin on "whos the boss":: But unlike some people here,  I Will admit that maybe i could be wrong. Do i think being gay is wrong, No
will i use the expression " God that was gay" as long as baz louhrmann will continue to have a career , Yes i will . Does that make me a bad person, No.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 13, 2003, 11:05:30 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz
I use gay as an insult all the time. I'm with Xixax in thinking that saying something is gay isn't inferring that it's homosexual itself. If you call a movie gay, it doesn't mean there's dude's kissing in it all over the place. It's just saying you don't like the movie


Exactly , Thank you.


this lame argument is reminding me of why i so loved " King of the hill" when it came out, because it was not filled with sad pathetic lame dare i say " gay" liberal/p.c cliches . That show stood up for and still does, for a side of our society that You don't see a lot of on tv.  Thats why it was such a breath of fresh air.

We should not all be sad robots, we should speak our minds and make them up ourselves and not have other people do it for us.
Feel something because you " Feel" it and not because you think it will make you look cool to say it.
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Post by: Duck Sauce on March 13, 2003, 11:08:18 PM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones


this lame argument is reminding me of why i so loved " King of the hill" when it came out, because it was not filled with sad pathetic lame dare i say " gay" liberal/p.c cliches . That show stood up for and still does, for a side of our society that You don't see a lot of on tv.  Thats why it was such a breath of fresh air.


I thought I was the only one who liked it.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 13, 2003, 11:11:01 PM
i would like to hear your review of king of the hill duck, i always like to hear what other people say about the show
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Post by: Xixax on March 13, 2003, 11:13:05 PM
Are gay movies born gay, or is it a choice they make after dealing with the studio execs?
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 14, 2003, 12:00:43 AM
Quote from: Xixax
gay movies


I believe the correct word is "ghey", Mr. Xixax.
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Post by: Xixax on March 14, 2003, 12:14:08 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
"ghey"


No, I meant gay.

Like "Queer as Folk" or "Crying Game" gay.

 :lol:
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Post by: Duck Sauce on March 14, 2003, 12:23:49 AM
Latley, I have really started watching it like it was the Simpsons, I enjoy its lack of political correctness, and how it pokes fun at itself for it. There are just so many good things to name about it where you could obviously see how offensive some of the stuff could be if people take it serious.
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Post by: Ghostboy on March 14, 2003, 02:16:44 AM
As has been stated above, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and their opinion should be considered valid, as long as no hurtful or hateful expressions are going around.

If you think homosexuality is abberant, you should also consider premarital sex aberrant, and also the notion of getting married and not having kids as quite problematic. Homosexuality, since it lacks any form of procreation, implies a relationship based purely on love and/or sex. Which is exactly the kind of relationship millions of straight men and women enjoy, via the joys of safe sex.

Also, if you support gay rights, please remember that you technically also should support incest rights.

My own opinion? Love conquers all -- let it do its thing.
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Post by: ©brad on March 14, 2003, 05:33:14 AM
as a straight male, i must say that ive seen queer as folk before and thought it was pretty good.
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Post by: jmj on March 14, 2003, 08:08:36 AM
BJ...For the record, if you go back and read all of my post very carefully you will see that I never once said anything about censorship.  I never said anything about anyone hushing there opinion.  I never said you CAN NOT use the word gay like you did.  I just said it's disrespectful.  So before you so carelessly go calling people nazi's for challenging your ignorance you should try actually reading what they have to say.  And as far as saying that people with liberal viewpoints are hypocrites...well, that's just plain stupid and a pretty invalid argument since you don't really know any of us and have no substance to back up that statement.   Basically you're just trying to circumvent an argument for which you have no intelligent reply.  So you, Mrs. Butterscotch Jones, can eat a bowl of dicks with a spoon.
PS. Although I have much respect for Jam Master Jay I have not taken his moniker as inspiration for my screenname.  jmj stands for my initials.

BTW- Cecil B. Demented...sorry I left you off that list.  I was working off memory and I knew I would forget someone.
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Post by: budgie on March 14, 2003, 08:54:20 AM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones

We should not all be sad robots, we should speak our minds and make them up ourselves and not have other people do it for us.
Feel something because you " Feel" it and not because you think it will make you look cool to say it.


The irony is too perfect.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 14, 2003, 09:52:46 AM
Quote from: Ghostboy
Also, if you support gay rights, please remember that you technically also should support incest rights.


 :yabbse-huh:
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Post by: Ghostboy on March 14, 2003, 10:25:15 AM
Hey, if its a  relationship between two consensual adults who aren't potentially harming anyone (meaning they use protection so they won't have mutant kids), incest should be A-OK.

This doesn't mean that I support it, just that technically I should. It's a good thought provoking monkeywrench...
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Post by: jmj on March 14, 2003, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: Ghostboy
Also, if you support gay rights, please remember that you technically also should support incest rights.


DP...I done told you that there's nothing you can say to make me comfortable with that thing between you and your sister.
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Post by: Ghostboy on March 14, 2003, 10:43:28 AM
Which in turn reminds me of one of the best and edgiest lines from the Simpsons (paraphrased from a scene where Cletus is making out with his girl in a pickup truck)...

GIRL: Cletus, I don't feel comfortable doing this where my parents can see!

CLETUS: S'okay, they's my parents too.
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Post by: polkablues on March 14, 2003, 02:04:29 PM
Dave Attell: "I think if your cousin is really hot, you should be allowed to fuck her!"
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 14, 2003, 10:15:18 PM
Quote from: budgie
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones

We should not all be sad robots, we should speak our minds and make them up ourselves and not have other people do it for us.
Feel something because you " Feel" it and not because you think it will make you look cool to say it.


The irony is too perfect.


you sound like a sad little person
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 14, 2003, 10:27:41 PM
Quote from: jmj
Basically you're just trying to circumvent an argument for which you have no intelligent reply.  .


sadlly your idea of a intelligent reply is one that is recycled from a outside source , a source that you deem worthy of your snob ethics , in a word your a cliche . Of course you will find a problem with my opinions, Because they are my own, and i didnt have them spoon fed to me during college. I do not spout tired old cliches that i hope will make people think I am cool .

I have yet to hear you or budgie say anything that sounds like intelligent point of view, all i hear is tired old p.c cliches, a fucking dime a dozen .  well you did give the jammaster props so ok almost everything you have said

if you want to keep this up send me a P/M and i can go on and on about what a douche I think you are.

but lets keep it cival, as some of what i am saying is tounge in cheek. I mean what i say, but not so much the way it is coming out, but since this is the internet, and it is so impersonal we tend to turn things wwf style.

ok now I am off to watch Beverlly Hills Ninja

( see irony joke joke wink wink)
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Post by: Bud_Clay on March 14, 2003, 10:43:54 PM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
Quote from: budgie
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones

We should not all be sad robots, we should speak our minds and make them up ourselves and not have other people do it for us.
Feel something because you " Feel" it and not because you think it will make you look cool to say it.


The irony is too perfect.


you sound like a sad little person


Once again your irony is too perfect.

Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
Of course you will find a problem with my opinions, Because they are my own, and i didnt have them spoon fed to me during college.


Sounds like they were spoon fed to you by an ignorant homophobic, racist father.

You're taking about censorship, do you even have any clue about left wing & right wing? Right wing is where the nazis were, which is where the republican/conservatives are. Liberals are on the exact opposite side.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 14, 2003, 10:53:18 PM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
Right wing is where the nazis were, which is where the republican/conservatives are. Liberals are on the exact opposite side.


Irony anyone ?

going by the picture you use to represent yourself, that is VERYYYYY telling .
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Post by: Duck Sauce on March 14, 2003, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: Bill Maplewood

You're taking about censorship, do you even have any clue about left wing & right wing? Right wing is where the nazis were, which is where the republican/conservatives are. Liberals are on the exact opposite side.


Id like to defend my conservative leanings (mostly economics) from two sides here. We are not all nazis and we are not all racist homophobes. Every "group" tends to get mislabeled and it is unfair to divide people into them. Since you guys are going to have this discussion, keep it clean and intelligent and cut out the low blows.
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Post by: Bud_Clay on March 14, 2003, 11:35:31 PM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
Right wing is where the nazis were, which is where the republican/conservatives are. Liberals are on the exact opposite side.


Irony anyone ?

going by the picture you use to represent yourself, that is VERYYYYY telling .


My avatar is very telling? Do you even know what you're talking about? I don't think you have any fucking clue as to what you are saying about anything.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 14, 2003, 11:36:15 PM
Quote from: Duck Sauce
Quote from: Bill Maplewood

You're taking about censorship, do you even have any clue about left wing & right wing? Right wing is where the nazis were, which is where the republican/conservatives are. Liberals are on the exact opposite side.


Id like to defend my conservative leanings (mostly economics) from two sides here. We are not all nazis and we are not all racist homophobes. Every "group" tends to get mislabeled and it is unfair to divide people into them. Since you guys are going to have this discussion, keep it clean and intelligent and cut out the low blows.


thank you, see a well put argument. Mario and even luigi himself would be proud.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 14, 2003, 11:38:28 PM
Quote from: Bill Maplewood
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
Right wing is where the nazis were, which is where the republican/conservatives are. Liberals are on the exact opposite side.


Irony anyone ?

going by the picture you use to represent yourself, that is VERYYYYY telling .


My avatar is very telling? Do you even know what you're talking about? I don't think you have any fucking clue as to what you are saying about anything.


yeah keep on supporting gay child molesters  :roll:
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Post by: Bud_Clay on March 15, 2003, 12:03:07 AM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones

yeah keep on supporting gay child molesters  :roll:


That's very intelligent of you.
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Post by: Bud_Clay on March 15, 2003, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: Duck Sauce
Id like to defend my conservative leanings (mostly economics) from two sides here. We are not all nazis and we are not all racist homophobes. Every "group" tends to get mislabeled and it is unfair to divide people into them. Since you guys are going to have this discussion, keep it clean and intelligent and cut out the low blows.


Here...everyone take this fucking test:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

I scored closest to Gandhi. Exact opposite from Hitler on the graph...it's beyond me why anyone would feel safe with themselves being anywhere near Hitler's section.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 15, 2003, 12:10:10 AM
Quote from: Bill Maplewood
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones

yeah keep on supporting gay child molesters  :roll:


That's very intelligent of you.


more so then you ever will be ma man  :-D

but for the sake of fairness or well just giving me something to laugh at quite frankly

explain your choice of avatar
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Post by: Bud_Clay on March 15, 2003, 12:42:36 AM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
Quote from: Bill Maplewood
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones

yeah keep on supporting gay child molesters  :roll:


That's very intelligent of you.


more so then you ever will be ma man  :-D

but for the sake of fairness or well just giving me something to laugh at quite frankly

explain your choice of avatar


hey..you're smarter than me...figure it out.
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Post by: Duck Sauce on March 15, 2003, 01:06:53 AM
Economic Left/Right: 8.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.77
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Post by: xerxes on March 15, 2003, 01:07:48 AM
Quote from: Bill Maplewood

Here...everyone take this fucking test:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

I scored closest to Gandhi. Exact opposite from Hitler on the graph...it's beyond me why anyone would feel safe with themselves being anywhere near Hitler's section.


i scored pretty close to gandhi also...

Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.77

whatever that means
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Post by: sphinx on March 15, 2003, 01:15:41 AM
also close to gandhi...

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.97
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Post by: picolas on March 15, 2003, 01:33:17 AM
yay for changing the subject!

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.10
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Post by: Duck Sauce on March 15, 2003, 01:39:15 AM
I cant wait to see JB's. Any other interesting tests?
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Post by: life_boy on March 15, 2003, 05:02:42 AM
Economic Left/Right: -2.97
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.39
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Post by: Pubrick on March 15, 2003, 09:19:28 AM
Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.62

oh well.
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Post by: Cecil on March 15, 2003, 11:21:51 AM
Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -8.46
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 15, 2003, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: Duck Sauce
I cant wait to see JB's


You might not be surprised:

Economic Left/Right: -8.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -7.59
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Post by: Ghostboy on March 15, 2003, 08:02:29 PM
Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.79

That's a great, very thought provoking test.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 15, 2003, 11:25:50 PM
Quote from: Ghostboy
Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.79

That's a great, very thought provoking test.


i took the test and for some reason they said my politics are  closest to that actor Michael gross who played the dad on " family ties" i was like what , do you mean the character he played on the show, and they said no the actor himself. i still have no clue what to make of this information, but i will be renting the movie tremors this week.
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Post by: budgie on March 16, 2003, 10:33:40 AM
Economic Left/Right -8.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian -7.49

More leftwing than you, Blackman, you faker.
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Post by: Pubrick on March 16, 2003, 10:45:02 AM
i'm the only one who is equally both -thingy.

yay for symmetry. yes u may touch me.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 16, 2003, 11:24:25 AM
Quote from: budgie
Blackman, you faker


Swallow your pride, comrade.
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Post by: budgie on March 16, 2003, 11:28:27 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Swallow your pride, comrade.


Gulp. Nothing to lose but my chains, right?
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Duck Sauce on March 16, 2003, 12:56:09 PM
Quote from: mogwai
Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.18

(i'm confused, but i love all races, have nothing against gay or lesbians or old people).


You got a problem with gays?   :x
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Post by: Pedro on March 16, 2003, 02:11:57 PM
Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.67
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Rudie Obias on March 16, 2003, 03:04:15 PM
why the fuck is this topic still going on?  c'mon people, end it already.

ps
i see the irony of this situation (post).  i want this topic to end and yet i added another post to this topic asking for it to end.  keeping it going rather than ending it.  weird!  but i'm sure this won't be the end.  so please end this already!!   :x
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on March 16, 2003, 03:21:44 PM
Quote from: rudieob
why the fuck is this topic still going on?  c'mon people, end it already.


well actually we had all decided to end this one, but since youre telling us to stop, i guess well just keep on going  :-D
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: polkablues on March 17, 2003, 12:29:24 PM
In the grand spirit of not stopping:

Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.90

I think this means I'm a half-assed liberal.  But I knew that already.
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Post by: Victor on March 17, 2003, 02:35:39 PM
:steps onto soapbox:

fuck gays.
fuck straights.
fuck blacks.
fuck whites.

fuck lines.

its all the same to me. im never gonna let any of these old-fashioned ideas of seperation and grouping determine who i am and what i do. the reason there are so many problems and people are so uptight is because people seperate into groups in the first place.

ive never seen a black peson in my life. ive never seen a white person in my life. its a spectrum of color, from dark brown to pale. where is the line drawn, and who gets to decide where to draw it?

is there a straight person here who can honestly claim that theyve never, ever, in any way, been drawn to a member of the same sex? and if you havent, have you ever even questioned it?

of course its easy to say that chinese food is gross if youve only ever eaten italian food.

fuck lines, fuck lines, fuck lines. its a spectrum, the whole thing is a spectrum.
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Post by: Cecil on March 17, 2003, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: Lester
:steps onto soapbox:
im never gonna let any of these old-fashioned ideas of seperation and grouping determine who i am and what i do. the reason there are so many problems and people are so uptight is because people seperate into groups in the first place.


i agree 100%

well said
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 17, 2003, 03:30:42 PM
Well said Lester. You have a really good point.

You could still take the test with no shame, though, because you wouldn't be labelled in a black and white way... it's more of a spectrum, I guess (or a graph).
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Post by: Victor on March 17, 2003, 04:00:50 PM
Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -7.54

apparently im ghandi reincarnate.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 17, 2003, 11:40:46 PM
Quote from: Lester
:steps onto soapbox:



fuck lines, fuck lines, fuck lines


damnit your right , fuck lines ,  im smoking this shit :: pulls out a ballie:: now where did i put that crack pipe
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: xerxes on March 18, 2003, 01:29:54 AM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones

damnit your right , fuck lines ,  im smoking this shit :: pulls out a ballie:: now where did i put that crack pipe


yes, because that was funny...  :?
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Post by: budgie on March 18, 2003, 08:39:52 AM
Quote from: Lester
ive never seen a black peson in my life. ive never seen a white person in my life. its a spectrum of color, from dark brown to pale. where is the line drawn, and who gets to decide where to draw it?



I admire the idealism, Lester, but unfortunately in a world where lines do exist (drawn by such as Tony and George) it doesn't do minorities any favours to simply ignore their differences. Saying we're all the same in one context means that everyone has to play by the same rules in another. Black and white, gay and straight do not equate if you are the underdog.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Pubrick on March 18, 2003, 08:43:06 AM
Quote from: xerxes
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones

damnit your right , fuck lines ,  im smoking this shit :: pulls out a ballie:: now where did i put that crack pipe


yes, because that was funny...  :?

it was.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 18, 2003, 10:51:49 AM
Quote from: budgie
I admire the idealism, Lester, but unfortunately in a world where lines do exist (drawn by such as Tony and George) it doesn't do minorities any favours to simply ignore their differences. Saying we're all the same in one context means that everyone has to play by the same rules in another. Black and white, gay and straight do not equate if you are the underdog.


 :yabbse-undecided: .... 8)  ....  :yabbse-smiley:  ....  :yabbse-thumbup:
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Post by: budgie on March 18, 2003, 03:18:18 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Well said Lester. You have a really good point.



Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: budgie
I admire the idealism, Lester, but unfortunately in a world where lines do exist (drawn by such as Tony and George) it doesn't do minorities any favours to simply ignore their differences. Saying we're all the same in one context means that everyone has to play by the same rules in another. Black and white, gay and straight do not equate if you are the underdog.


 :yabbse-undecided: .... 8)  ....  :yabbse-smiley:  ....  :yabbse-thumbup:


Does that mean you are for a one-party system, Jeremy?
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 18, 2003, 03:24:06 PM
Quote from: budgie
Does that mean you are for a one-party system, Jeremy?


Sigh. You both have good points, so why exclude? The more parties the better.
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Post by: budgie on March 18, 2003, 03:26:39 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: budgie
Does that mean you are for a one-party system, Jeremy?


Sigh. You both have good points, so why exclude? The more parties the better.


 :yabbse-undecided:  :yabbse-embarassed:  :yabbse-rolleyes:  :usa  :kiss:
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Post by: Tommy Both on March 18, 2003, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: picolas
yay for changing the subject!

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.10


almost the same pico...!

cause these were mine:

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.15
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on March 18, 2003, 10:07:58 PM
"Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all." anybody said 'yes' to this? (i hope not)
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Post by: Xixax on March 18, 2003, 10:21:29 PM
I took that in a hurry yesterday, and I was almost dead center. Just a hair on the plus side of Y, and the minus side of X.

Looks like I want to please everybody.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Ghostboy on March 18, 2003, 11:57:45 PM
This and the Iraq post are likely to go on for quite a long time. Maybe they should be locked, and then restarted in a single left/right debate.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Pubrick on March 19, 2003, 05:15:09 AM
Quote from: Ghostboy
Maybe they should be locked, and then restarted in a single left/right debate.

no i don't think that's going to happen.

long threads are what life is all about.
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Post by: jmj on March 19, 2003, 10:35:51 AM
Ghandi...

BTW-
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
sadlly your idea of a intelligent reply is one that is recycled from a outside source , a source that you deem worthy of your snob ethics , in a word your a cliche . Of course you will find a problem with my opinions, Because they are my own, and i didnt have them spoon fed to me during college. I do not spout tired old cliches that i hope will make people think I am cool.I have yet to hear you or budgie say anything that sounds like intelligent point of view, all i hear is tired old p.c cliches, a fucking dime a dozen .  well you did give the jammaster props so ok almost everything you have said


You are so intoxicated with your own opinion that you can't even realize what other people are trying to say.  If you actually knew me there may be some validity to what you're saying.  But you don't.  I didn't go to college so I have no spoon feeding from there.  I come across my opinions through research and reading and if I was quoting I would site my sources.  No quotes, just opinions like the the ones you keep giving, over and over ::yawns::  And once again, for the last time, I have no problems with people thinking for themselves.  I want people to think for themselves I just wish people could show more respect.  So that's that, there's no reason for me to send you a p/m because it's not personal, we're all just talking shit.  It's what evs though.   I guess you can't eat a bowl of dicks because you're so full of shit that you don't have any more room.  Maybe you should try getting your stomach pumped.  Just a suggestion.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 19, 2003, 12:24:34 PM
this started because i said a film was gay, and you said that it is not cool to lable the word gay as a put down.

ok got it, but however you keep telling me to eat a bowl of dicks, and i think its safe to say you mean that as a put down.

but isnt that as bad as what i said, because as far as gay men and straight woman are concerned dicks are great, and well you just made eating a dick a bad thing.

so my point is where do we draw the line.

this shit is old, i am sorry if it got out of hand the other day, that may of been misplaced anger that was meant  for somebody else.

But i still think we should all mellow out, jmj i read your posts you said you love hip hop, so do I, as a fan of rap you should take some things with a grain of salt.

are you a fan of chuck d, if so are you bothered by songs like "sophisticated bitch" and he has also said homophobic things in his music.

maybe you should save your scorn for someone who is more deserving of it
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Post by: jmj on March 19, 2003, 12:59:17 PM
Awe...I think we are finally starting to understand each other except there isn't any anger here.  As a fan of hiphop you know about battling.  That's all this is.  I was trying to counter serious discussion with stupid put downs to try to make things light.  If you look at my very first reply about this whole thing I was trying to keep it light but then the discussion turned into a whole other thing.  Besides, you can't really eat a bowl of dicks with a spoon.  Chopsticks would be much better.  Seriously though, as long as you understand that me disagreeing with your opinion doesn't mean I want you to stop thinking for yourself then our business with this topic is done.

As far as hiphop I am hugely dissapointed with the attitude towards woman and homosexuals in the music.  Especially the emcees who say they are "conscious rappers" and use despairing language and comments toward woman and gay people.  If I ever get a chance to holla' at one of them then I'll let 'em know, maybe even battle...

As far as I'm concerned just mentioning Chuck D makes you cool in my book.  How's that for diplomacy.  BTW- My favorite emcee of all time is KRS-ONE.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: phil marlowe on March 19, 2003, 01:23:03 PM
(http://www.williston.com/williston/photos/hug-34.jpg)
...and everyone lived happily ever after...
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Post by: ©brad on March 19, 2003, 01:25:25 PM
Quote from: cbrad4d

(http://stud-www.uni-marburg.de/~Linkc/vomit.gif)
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 19, 2003, 03:03:42 PM
like i said , i didnt mean to come across as a prick.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Jake_82 on April 09, 2003, 10:59:12 PM
I know this is an afterthought or whatever, but I really don't understand how people can think that saying "gay" in a derogatory manner doesn't effect anyone. Someone I inderictly know (mutual friends, etc) today commited suicide. He was gay and very depressed, but about a month before he killed himself he wrote a long livejournal post about suicide and other things, where he says

"Also, just the fact of being gay, hits my heart. I know what a battle it is. I know how much it hurts, and all the torments and battles inside that go on. I've been suicidal because of those torments.... I've thought to myself no more wanting to scream my lungs out at almost everyone I go to school with who uses "gay" as a derogatory term. No more pain."

I'm not saying that if no one had said gay in a derogatory manner he wouldn't have killed himself or that he had any reason to, but I think it needs to be pointed out that your actions do effect other people.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 09, 2003, 11:12:27 PM
Quote from: Jake_82
I know this is an afterthought or whatever, but I really don't understand how people can think that saying "gay" in a derogatory manner doesn't effect anyone. Someone I inderictly know (mutual friends, etc) today commited suicide. He was gay and very depressed, but about a month before he killed himself he wrote a long livejournal post about suicide and other things, where he says

"Also, just the fact of being gay, hits my heart. I know what a battle it is. I know how much it hurts, and all the torments and battles inside that go on. I've been suicidal because of those torments.... I've thought to myself no more wanting to scream my lungs out at almost everyone I go to school with who uses "gay" as a derogatory term. No more pain."

I'm not saying that if no one had said gay in a derogatory manner he wouldn't have killed himself or that he had any reason to, but I think it needs to be pointed out that your actions do effect other people.


as cruel as this may sound: you cant hold people who use the word "gay" in a derogatory fashion, accountable for this kid's suicide.  when someone kills themselves there more problems than what seems to be at the surface. if everyone let what others say affect them, everyone would be killing themselves. if your gay, learn to like yourself for who you are and fuck what others think. its no different than being fat or black or bald or crippled -- everyone faces ridicule. it's his fault for letting others affect him to the point where he takes his own life -- i have no sympathy for that. i know thats cold, but thats my opinion. and i feel strongly about it.
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Post by: Jake_82 on April 09, 2003, 11:22:10 PM
I agree, I definitely agree that no one but him is accountable for his actions, which I tired to communicate in my last paragraph, but on the other hand you can't tell me that people who say things are "gay" are not at all responsible. They can just as easily not contribute to making gay people feel like the word gay, something used to describe them, is derogatory. The bottom line is, if no one used gay as an insult, that gay teens probably wouldn't try to kill themselves twice as much as heterosexual teens.

All I'm trying to say is when something like this might be avoided by simply changing one word of your vocabulary, there's no reason why people shouldn't try to help prevent things like this from happening.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on April 09, 2003, 11:24:52 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
everyone faces ridicule. it's his fault for letting others affect him to the point where he takes his own life -- i have no sympathy for that.


dude, some people are alot more sensitive than others. its not easy for anyone, but everyone is different and for some it can be harder than others
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 09, 2003, 11:35:32 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
Quote from: cowboykurtis
everyone faces ridicule. it's his fault for letting others affect him to the point where he takes his own life -- i have no sympathy for that.


dude, some people are alot more sensitive than others. its not easy for anyone, but everyone is different and for some it can be harder than others


if someone is sensitive, it doesn't change the fact that they are responsible for killing themselves. you cant blame other people who may have made fun of them. if you're sensitive, dont come out of the closet. its an unfortunate thing about our world --- people are cruel. but that not going to change. everyone's excuses are their own.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on April 09, 2003, 11:37:54 PM
im not saying he isnt responsible for his own death, my problem is with your "it's his fault for letting others affect him" line..... its not like he CHOOSES what hurts him and to what degree.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: RegularKarate on April 09, 2003, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
. if you're sensitive, dont come out of the closet. .


Yes, I'm isolating this comment to make you look like a complete asshole.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 09, 2003, 11:43:20 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
Quote from: cowboykurtis
. if you're sensitive, dont come out of the closet. .


Yes, I'm isolating this comment to make you look like a complete asshole.

i love how none of you can read posts within the context of the initial predicament. im not supporting gay bashing. im saying if you kill yourself its your fault. end of story. you cant blame others and say, im sensitive.

im wondering why you'd isolate that? are your intentions malicious for the sake of being malicious. if you want to make me look like an asshole out of spite, you're no different than someone who bashes homosexuals.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Jake_82 on April 09, 2003, 11:49:25 PM
That can change, if you want it to. That's like saying that racism could never change, but it did... it starts with you and that's all I'm saying... why not just make an effort to avoid things that are hurtful to a group of people like this
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on April 09, 2003, 11:50:20 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
. if you're sensitive, dont come out of the closet. .


yeah, you should live a lie, cause god forbid the straight guys should change their vocabulary to be more sensitive towards their fellow man.

suicide sounds better and better everyday.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 09, 2003, 11:51:32 PM
Quote from: Jake_82
That can change, if you want it to. That's like saying that racism could never change, but it did... it starts with you and that's all I'm saying... why not just make an effort to avoid things that are hurtful to a group of people like this


who are you adressing when using "YOU". if you're referring to me, im not racist, i have no problem with homosexuals. i dont use the word gay in a derogatory fashion. all is said is i dont have sympathy for some one who kills themselves gay or not gay. read the words.
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Post by: bonanzataz on April 09, 2003, 11:54:32 PM
so gays are a race now?
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Post by: Cecil on April 09, 2003, 11:55:17 PM
coyboy, do you have sympathy for people who are still alive and going through a rough time because of such insensitive language?
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 09, 2003, 11:57:16 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz
so gays are a race now?


you're the english teacher, learn how to read. i said im not racist and i dont have a problem with gays. did i say they were a race?
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 09, 2003, 11:58:45 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
coyboy, do you have sympathy for people who are still alive and going through a rough time because of such insensitive language?


sure, i don't wish pain upon other people. but i do not sympathize with people who let the words and actions of other control their lives to the point where they take their own. i pity them at that point.
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Post by: Jake_82 on April 09, 2003, 11:58:56 PM
I wasnt speaking to you specifically, I meant every person, as in the plural non-specific form... you dont need to get defensive
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on April 10, 2003, 12:02:02 AM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
sure, i don't wish pain upon other people.


and thats all were saying, that using the word gay in a deragatory manner can hurt people (suicide or no suicide).
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Jake_82 on April 10, 2003, 12:02:26 AM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
Quote from: cecil b. demented
coyboy, do you have sympathy for people who are still alive and going through a rough time because of such insensitive language?


sure, i don't wish pain upon other people. but i do not sympathize with people who let the words and actions of other control their lives to the point where they take their own. i pity them at that point.


alright, we've established that fact, but what I've been trying to say is that even if you don't sympathise with people who get hurt over words, there's no reason you can't stop contributing to people's potential pain, wether it's pain that you understand or not... I mean what do you have to lose?
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 10, 2003, 12:02:43 AM
Quote from: Jake_82
I wasnt speaking to you specifically, I meant every person, as in the plural non-specific form... you dont need to get defensive


i apologize.
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Post by: RegularKarate on April 10, 2003, 10:41:14 AM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
. if you're sensitive, dont come out of the closet. .


Quote from: RegularKarate
Yes, I'm isolating this comment to make you look like a complete asshole.


Quote from: cowboykurtis

i love how none of you can read posts within the context of the initial predicament. im not supporting gay bashing. im saying if you kill yourself its your fault. end of story. you cant blame others and say, im sensitive.

im wondering why you'd isolate that? are your intentions malicious for the sake of being malicious. if you want to make me look like an asshole out of spite, you're no different than someone who bashes homosexuals.


Well, I didn't mean that literally, I was half joking... all I meant was that you may want to watch the way you word things... I know what you meant (at least, I think I do), but it seems this would be the wrong way to say it.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 10, 2003, 11:23:55 AM
Quote from: Jake_82
Quote from: cowboykurtis
Quote from: cecil b. demented
coyboy, do you have sympathy for people who are still alive and going through a rough time because of such insensitive language?


sure, i don't wish pain upon other people. but i do not sympathize with people who let the words and actions of other control their lives to the point where they take their own. i pity them at that point.


alright, we've established that fact, but what I've been trying to say is that even if you don't sympathise with people who get hurt over words, there's no reason you can't stop contributing to people's potential pain, wether it's pain that you understand or not... I mean what do you have to lose?


why are you acusing me of "contributributing to people's pain". you dont know me buddy. ive never used the word "gay" in a deragatory fashion. i have friends that are gay -- i have no problem with it.  making hollow accusations is just as irresponible as these "gay basher" that you are reprimanding.
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Post by: RegularKarate on April 10, 2003, 12:10:20 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis

why are you acusing me of "contributributing to people's pain". you dont know me buddy. ive never used the word "gay" in a deragatory fashion. i have friends that are gay -- i have no problem with it.  making hollow accusations is just as irresponible as these "gay basher" that you are reprimanding.


Once again, Cowboy, I think he was refering to people in general... I don't think anyone's accusing YOU specifically of anything (at least I'm not)
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Post by: budgie on April 10, 2003, 12:32:47 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
sure, i don't wish pain upon other people. but i do not sympathize with people who let the words and actions of other control their lives to the point where they take their own. i pity them at that point.


Quote from: cowboycurtis
why are you acusing me of "contributributing to people's pain". you dont know me buddy. ive never used the word "gay" in a deragatory fashion. i have friends that are gay -- i have no problem with it.  making hollow accusations is just as irresponible as these "gay basher" that you are reprimanding.


But isn't standing by and forcing everyone to simply be responsible for themselves, no matter what kind of beating they are getting, just as blameworthy as actually getting involved in the attack? It's your lack of sympathy that is the real problem, because you are ignoring the fact that there is prejudice that causes people real problems, in favour of pretending to treat everyone equally. Feeling sorry for them when they are beaten isn't gonna do them much good, is it?

You are lucky to be in a position, obviously, where you can afford to be so independent as not to need people supporting you and standing up for you. The reality is that not everyone is psychologically strong (and try enduring years of gay-bashing and see how all together you'd feel then) and not everyone is equal. It's not easy to decide where someone would do better standing up for themselves and where they really need help, but just ignoring the problem only feeds it.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 10, 2003, 12:49:55 PM
Quote from: budgie
Quote from: cowboykurtis
sure, i don't wish pain upon other people. but i do not sympathize with people who let the words and actions of other control their lives to the point where they take their own. i pity them at that point.


Quote from: cowboycurtis
why are you acusing me of "contributributing to people's pain". you dont know me buddy. ive never used the word "gay" in a deragatory fashion. i have friends that are gay -- i have no problem with it.  making hollow accusations is just as irresponible as these "gay basher" that you are reprimanding.


But isn't standing by and forcing everyone to simply be responsible for themselves, no matter what kind of beating they are getting, just as blameworthy as actually getting involved in the attack? It's your lack of sympathy that is the real problem, because you are ignoring the fact that there is prejudice that causes people real problems, in favour of pretending to treat everyone equally. Feeling sorry for them when they are beaten isn't gonna do them much good, is it?

You are lucky to be in a position, obviously, where you can afford to be so independent as not to need people supporting you and standing up for you. The reality is that not everyone is psychologically strong (and try enduring years of gay-bashing and see how all together you'd feel then) and not everyone is equal. It's not easy to decide where someone would do better standing up for themselves and where they really need help, but just ignoring the problem only feeds it.


if you want to blame me for people killing themselves, because i dont actively "fix" people's broken feelings, thats a bunch of bullshit. im not ignoring the problem. if i was ingoring it, we wouldnt be having this dusicussion. im very aware of the problem, i think its horrible, and i in know way support it. however i have my own priorities, and other problems that relate stronger to my life and others i know --  its not my job to be a shoulder to cry on. if i actualyy witnessed someone mistreating someone, id try to stop it with the best of my ability. otherwise, i dont take part in gay bashing, and i do not actively try to prevent it.  i just feel with any issue, there is a stigma that people find it easier to blame others. like i said before, your excuses are your own. if you're being mistreated there are many other solutions before suicide. just out of curiousity, since you've labeled my act of "ignoring" hatred towards homosexuals the same as actually doing the abusing -- what saintly acts do you take part in every day to save all those lonely, broken souls of homoesexuals?
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 10, 2003, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
Quote from: cowboykurtis

why are you acusing me of "contributributing to people's pain". you dont know me buddy. ive never used the word "gay" in a deragatory fashion. i have friends that are gay -- i have no problem with it.  making hollow accusations is just as irresponible as these "gay basher" that you are reprimanding.


Once again, Cowboy, I think he was refering to people in general... I don't think anyone's accusing YOU specifically of anything (at least I'm not)


karate -- i realize you're not. however when im quoted in a post, and thats followed with a statement, i think its referring to me and my words -- indirectly or not.
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Post by: budgie on April 10, 2003, 01:27:48 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis

im very aware of the problem, i think its horrible, and i in know way support it... if i actualyy witnessed someone mistreating someone, id try to stop it with the best of my ability. otherwise, i dont take part in gay bashing, and i do not actively try to prevent it.


That implies to me that you do feel some sympathy for people before it gets to suicide (when the problem is at an end), and I am glad to know you would do something if it was within your capabilities as you see them. I don't pretend to being any more active than that, since you ask, and I don't exclude myself from my own criticism. I do, however, disapprove of any behaviour, however trivial it appears, that could be offensive, and I do often make my feelings known in some attempt to prevent real harm. And to make sure whoever is being attacked knows I support them and that they are not alone. If we are aware that what we are doing is even potentially harmful, then we can be held partly to blame for the consequences. If we all stay silent and wait for the person who is being persecuted to speak up, then things can just get out of control because they do not feel able to speak up for themselves... so we may as well have joined in. How does anyone know, if you are silent, whether you are with them or against them?

But, yeah, you are right, I have my own battles to fight too (I've also had to stand up for myself and others in this very situation) and maybe we should all do more and make more noise? So I just had to question your attitude, as it seemed completely passive before.
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Post by: bonanzataz on April 10, 2003, 01:43:04 PM
who woke up this stupid fucking thread?
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Post by: jmj on April 10, 2003, 02:00:05 PM
Never underestimate the power of leading by example.  If you care about human rights in general and show sympathy towards someone being beaten down by society then that simple small action has the power to effect someone.  The only reason I ever brought up the "Gay" thing in the first place is because I have very direct experience with the negative feelings attitudes like this can generate.  I knew there would be tons of people who think it's stupid to call someone out for using the word Gay like that.  But I also thought that maybe someone would think about it and change there ways.  Who knows?  Most people have no personal stake in whether the attitude towards homosexuals changes but I do so I'm glad people are still posting on this thread.  "A single step begins the journey of a thousand miles."
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 10, 2003, 02:09:13 PM
Quote from: budgie
Quote from: cowboykurtis

im very aware of the problem, i think its horrible, and i in know way support it... if i actualy witnessed someone mistreating someone, id try to stop it with the best of my ability. otherwise, i dont take part in gay bashing, and i do not actively try to prevent it.


budgie wrote: That implies to me that you do feel some sympathy for people before it gets to suicide...

i never said that i didn't have sympathy for people in pain. this whole debate was always about suicide from my standpoint. i dont care if you're gay or black or kurt cobain, if you kill yourself -- i have no sympathy. end of story. im putting this horse to rest.
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Post by: Cecil on April 10, 2003, 07:47:53 PM
jesus christ buddy, you dont have to sound so angry in your posts. were just having a discussion here. and sure you have your own battles to fight, we all do, and im not saying you should give pro-gay speeches in schools all over the country either

the whole point of this is to try not to use the word "gay" in a deragatory fashion. thats all. i think it would do alot of good, and you dont have to go out of your way to do it. its simply just being respectful towards your fellow man.

you seem to be missing the point because you keep talking about not having any sympathy for people killing themselves. okay fine, thats your opinion, but this isnt a debate about whether or not we are responsible as a society towards people who kill themselves, this is about showing a bit of respect by not using the word gay in a deragatory way.

btw, this thread is so straight.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on April 10, 2003, 08:37:20 PM
why is this topic back, get the fuck over it
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Post by: Cecil on April 10, 2003, 08:41:19 PM
the topic is back because people dont care and dont change. ill never get over that
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on April 10, 2003, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: Jake_82
I know this is an afterthought or whatever, but I really don't understand how people can think that saying "gay" in a derogatory manner doesn't effect anyone. Someone I inderictly know (mutual friends, etc) today commited suicide. He was gay and very depressed, but about a month before he killed himself he wrote a long livejournal post about suicide and other things, where he says

"Also, just the fact of being gay, hits my heart. I know what a battle it is. I know how much it hurts, and all the torments and battles inside that go on. I've been suicidal because of those torments.... I've thought to myself no more wanting to scream my lungs out at almost everyone I go to school with who uses "gay" as a derogatory term. No more pain."

I'm not saying that if no one had said gay in a derogatory manner he wouldn't have killed himself or that he had any reason to, but I think it needs to be pointed out that your actions do effect other people.


you guys go on and on about how people like speilberg are highlly manipulitve, but what else would you call this post. Its a bummer your friend felt that life sucked so much that he had to split. But this post, is kinda knee jerk here ya know.  All based on emotion.

Saying " god that film was gay" is not the same as hanging someone from a tree

this i will say, Ive noticed a lot of writters and creative types, in the past few years have been acting anti p.c in a punk rock fashion, because in the 90's the status quo was p.c and nazi-ish for that matter, so what is the only way to say fuck you to that, well make like liam and noel from oasis or the beastie boys circa 1987 before the became the sad and pathetic bunch they are now . Punk grew out of a reaction to the bloated hippy culture, the same thing with the alternative 90's , it became self important and bloated and well let the backlash roll.............

anyway sorry about your friend, but investigate the real root to what lead to him doing himself, if he killed himself over a hollow slam from a person he does not even respect in the first place, well then that is a shame. The sad thing is that he would let that bug him in the first place.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 10, 2003, 09:16:33 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
jesus christ buddy, you dont have to sound so angry in your posts. were just having a discussion here. and sure you have your own battles to fight, we all do, and im not saying you should give pro-gay speeches in schools all over the country either

the whole point of this is to try not to use the word "gay" in a deragatory fashion. thats all. i think it would do alot of good, and you dont have to go out of your way to do it. its simply just being respectful towards your fellow man.

you seem to be missing the point because you keep talking about not having any sympathy for people killing themselves. okay fine, thats your opinion, but this isnt a debate about whether or not we are responsible as a society towards people who kill themselves, this is about showing a bit of respect by not using the word gay in a deragatory way.

btw, this thread is so straight.


im very far from being angry. we're debating a topic -- i have strong opinions and im just expressing them. if youd actually read the words in my post, you'd see that i in no way support gay bashing. all of my comments that seem angry or agressive are directed towards suicide -- i dont sympathize with someone who takes their life -- its of no consequence what race creed or sexual orientation the person happens to be -- end of story. so id appreciate it if you'd actually take time and READ MY WORDS so you dont put my thoughts out of context before truly comprehending my view point. are we finished beating a dead horse?
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Post by: Cecil on April 10, 2003, 09:21:58 PM
beating a dead horse? man, were all talking about different things here. the horse hasnt even died
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 10, 2003, 09:24:59 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
beating a dead horse? man, were all talking about different things here. the horse hasnt even died


we're all talking about different things, because no one reads carefully -- people see what they choose to and misconstrue ideas and intentions. theres no point in debating if people arent taking time to carefully read one's words.
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Post by: Cecil on April 10, 2003, 09:33:04 PM
well yes i know. couldnt of said it better myself. maybe you should actually take that into consideration
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 10, 2003, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
well yes i know. couldnt of said it better myself. maybe you should actually take that into consideration


give me an instance when i've misread a post and i will take it into consideration. the  reason ive said that, is because you misread my posts. and for whatever reason are still lecturing me about using "gay" in a demeaning fashion. show me one sentence of mine that i've supported  gay bashing.
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Post by: jmj on April 10, 2003, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
this i will say, Ive noticed a lot of writters and creative types, in the past few years have been acting anti p.c in a punk rock fashion, because in the 90's the status quo was p.c and nazi-ish for that matter, so what is the only way to say fuck you to that, well make like liam and noel from oasis or the beastie boys circa 1987 before the became the sad and pathetic bunch they are now . Punk grew out of a reaction to the bloated hippy culture, the same thing with the alternative 90's , it became self important and bloated and well let the backlash roll.............


Just out of curiosity are you trying to imply that it's not punk to be against disrespect to homosexuals?  I would venture to say that it is more status quo to call things gay than isn't.  Anyway, being "PC" as you call it is not about censorship it's about educating people on respect.  That's it.  No matter what you say, it is disrespectul to call derogatory things "gay".  If you don't care, fine, but stop trying to deny that it's not disrespectful.  If you want to live in a world where it's okay for everyone to be shitty to each other then go for it.  I want to live in a world where people consider other peoples feelings.

BTW- Nice avatar.  Do you actually have that on wax?
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 10, 2003, 09:55:16 PM
the one discussion I'm glad I stayed out of.

~rougerum
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 10, 2003, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
the one discussion I'm glad I stayed out of.

~rougerum


i wish i could say the same for myself.
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Post by: Cecil on April 10, 2003, 10:07:45 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
give me an instance when i've misread a post and i will take it into consideration. the  reason ive said that, is because you misread my posts. and for whatever reason are still lecturing me about using "gay" in a demeaning fashion. show me one sentence of mine that i've supported  gay bashing.


nobody accused you of being a "gay basher," only of being insensitive.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 10, 2003, 10:13:42 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
Quote from: cowboykurtis
give me an instance when i've misread a post and i will take it into consideration. the  reason ive said that, is because you misread my posts. and for whatever reason are still lecturing me about using "gay" in a demeaning fashion. show me one sentence of mine that i've supported  gay bashing.


nobody accused you of being a "gay basher," only of being insensitive.


fair enough -- im insesitive. i agree.
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Post by: Pubrick on April 11, 2003, 02:17:04 AM
great now everyone shut the fuck up.
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Post by: budgie on April 11, 2003, 07:40:19 AM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
you seem to be missing the point because you keep talking about not having any sympathy for people killing themselves. okay fine, thats your opinion, but this isnt a debate about whether or not we are responsible as a society towards people who kill themselves, this is about showing a bit of respect by not using the word gay in a deragatory way.


I'm not attacking you especially, Cecil, I've just picked your quote because it highlights what I think is the basic problem here: trying to separate actions from consequences. If the consequences of using the word gay to mean something is shit or inferior is that a person who is also termed gay and who calls themselves gay is made to feel shit and inferior, and eventually can't live with feeling shit and inferior, then their suicide cannot be divorced from the use of the word. If you are not gay, you may be aware of the connection you are making with gay people by using the description, or you may not, but to the gay person it is all the same: they are being told repeatedly and on a wide scale that they are the equivalent of something that is shit. If you are aware of this, you are responsible for their death if things get so bad for them that they can't live with it. There is no argument. Just because it seems trivial, 'joking' or not serious to you (being in the security of the majority) it doesn't mean it is to someone who hears every day that to be gay is to be inferior and worthless.

Everyone here who is saying 'I've no sympathy because they take seriously things they should just ignore' is lacking in imagination, empathy and has obviously had it easy (don't start whining about High School please). Yes, many gay people find strategies for laughing off and ignoring the crap they get told, but many don't, and have a shit life or kill themselves because people go around saying 'it's not my problem'. It is your problem because you are causing it by not pointing out to the ignorants that to equate a shit movie with a gay person is to demean them and cause them harm, however they might deal with it, and however trivial it seems to you. If it's not trivial to them, it's not trivial. Trying to pretend that while you enjoyed using the word gay or didn't disagree with its use the effect of that has nothing to do with you and is someone else's fault is cowardly and shameful. At the end of the day you are too busy protecting your own need to not make waves so people don't start on you.
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Post by: jmj on April 11, 2003, 09:29:14 AM
Hot Damn
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on April 11, 2003, 10:20:23 AM
Quote from: jmj
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones


BTW- Nice avatar.  Do you actually have that on wax?


why yes i do , ma man. It makes me so happy, i have a wax collection that is filled with sureal shit. you have to find this album
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Post by: jmj on April 11, 2003, 10:41:59 AM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
why yes i do , ma man. It makes me so happy, i have a wax collection that is filled with sureal shit. you have to find this album


Nice...I just got a story-time Dukes of Hazzard 45.  Talk about surreal.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on April 11, 2003, 10:49:20 AM
Quote from: jmj
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
why yes i do , ma man. It makes me so happy, i have a wax collection that is filled with sureal shit. you have to find this album


Nice...I just got a story-time Dukes of Hazzard 45.  Talk about surreal.


WOW That is great, ahh to be a young John Schneider

i own a sammy davis jr disco album ......... nutty
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Post by: Cecil on April 11, 2003, 10:50:24 AM
should we change the title of this thread again?
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Post by: Pubrick on April 11, 2003, 10:53:04 AM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
Quote from: jmj
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
why yes i do , ma man. It makes me so happy, i have a wax collection that is filled with sureal shit. you have to find this album


Nice...I just got a story-time Dukes of Hazzard 45.  Talk about surreal.


WOW That is great, ahh to be a young John Schneider

i own a sammy davis jr disco album ......... nutty

thank u for redeeming this thread.
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on April 11, 2003, 10:56:48 AM
lets turn it into odd records

i have a james brown one where he calls himself the original disco man

i love the whole idea of strange disco records, dolly parton made one too
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Post by: jmj on April 11, 2003, 11:04:46 AM
started a new thread for wax (http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=1115)
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on April 11, 2003, 11:10:07 AM
This thread much like the kids from fame will live forever
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Post by: Sigur Rós on April 11, 2003, 11:24:12 AM
Damn I hate fuckin' Fame!
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on April 11, 2003, 11:25:46 AM
How dare you speak ill of fame, those kids had sass
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Post by: Sigur Rós on April 12, 2003, 05:33:56 PM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
How dare you speak ill of fame, those kids had sass


You just made me laugh my ass off! "aw...aw I have no ass!"
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 12, 2003, 08:09:45 PM
Since this is the most popular thread, and all subjects to it seem milked, it may really be the sequel to Peace Out since it will be nothing but small talk from now on, which means I am bowing out.
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Post by: bonanzataz on April 13, 2003, 02:03:33 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Since this is the most popular thread, and all subjects to it seem milked, it may really be the sequel to Peace Out since it will be nothing but small talk from now on, which means I am bowing out.


until some asshole complains that the title of this thread is derogatory. in which case we should just redirect back to page 7.
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Post by: Cecil on April 13, 2003, 12:49:36 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz
until some asshole complains that the title of this thread is derogatory. in which case we should just redirect back to page 7.


LOL dont start
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 13, 2003, 07:28:13 PM
Fuck it. Let's take the cue from the other thread and all those who hate Memento speak your thoughts here for the inevitable war that is going to take place with all heretics of thought and belief in liking that movie. Yea mother fuckers, I called you all heretics. Wanna piece of this?

**wonders if anyone will not realize the humor in these words and actually start a decent fight**

~rougerum
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Post by: Cecil on April 13, 2003, 07:34:40 PM
like some people saying they like certain movies just cause theyre independant, i feel some people bash some pretty good films just cause theyre not so "obscure" anymore.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 13, 2003, 08:19:13 PM
Just to be safe Cecil, I always hated Memento.

~rougerum
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Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on April 13, 2003, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
like some people saying they like certain movies just cause theyre independant, i feel some people bash some pretty good films just cause theyre not so "obscure" anymore.


that reminds of me of something i read in spin, some chick wrote her top ten list and she said that blair witch was on the list till it became too popular



she should of just went the whole nine yards and said " well i only liked it at first because i thought it was a cool underground movie for me to name drop, kinda like being john malcovich, beacause like i dont know what is good and bad, i just know what other people tell me is cool, and so i thought blair witch was like super cool for a while, but when the whole world started to like it i started to hate it because i think i am too deep to like anything mainstream"

 :roll:
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 14, 2003, 12:03:47 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Fuck it. Let's take the cue from the other thread and all those who hate Memento speak your thoughts here for the inevitable war that is going to take place with all heretics of thought and belief in liking that movie. Yea mother fuckers, I called you all heretics. Wanna piece of this?

**wonders if anyone will not realize the humor in these words and actually start a decent fight**

~rougerum


i think matt damon should have played the lead in memento ;  it would be the most wicked awesome movie to ever have existed on celluloid. did i mention im a film buff -- meaning my opinion holds much more weight than you're pathetic uncultured walnut of a brain.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 14, 2003, 04:55:16 AM
Ummm, yea sure. ok. good job there *scratches head in confusion only with middle finger*

~rougerum
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Post by: Pubrick on April 14, 2003, 05:18:17 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Ummm, yea sure. ok. good job there *scratches head in confusion only with middle finger*

~rougerum

hey, stop crying.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 14, 2003, 09:06:38 AM
lol

~rougerum
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 14, 2003, 09:33:06 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Ummm, yea sure. ok. good job there *scratches head in confusion only with middle finger*

~rougerum


my opinion overrides yours, any day of the week...accept it, and move on.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 14, 2003, 10:05:27 AM
want the confusion act again?

~rougerum
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 14, 2003, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
want the confusion act again?

~rougerum


...please, kind sir...
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Post by: Sigur Rós on April 28, 2003, 12:31:13 PM
Don't let this thread die for it has been touched by the hand of God the Almighty!  :o
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Post by: Cecil on April 28, 2003, 01:18:38 PM
it offends me that you say god is almighty. being an atheist, it offends me deeply. take your useless propaganda elsewhere, my good sir
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Post by: Sigur Rós on April 28, 2003, 01:27:39 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
it offends me that you say god is almighty. being an atheist, it offends me deeply. take your useless propaganda elsewhere, my good sir


Hey, I'm an atheist! Just thought it sounded cool!
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Post by: Keener on April 28, 2003, 03:12:48 PM
I think it's over-rated. It's okay but it didn't live up to the hype for me.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 28, 2003, 03:41:47 PM
the rebirth has begun
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Post by: phil marlowe on April 28, 2003, 03:50:32 PM
yeah, and homoes are okay. really.
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Post by: Cecil on April 28, 2003, 04:03:53 PM
Quote from: Keener
I think it's over-rated. It's okay but it didn't live up to the hype for me.


well its no fun if you just read it, you have to participate. maybe thats why i never got that "peace out" business.

anyway, we need another controversial subject to bitch about. any ideas?
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 28, 2003, 04:06:39 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
Quote from: Keener
I think it's over-rated. It's okay but it didn't live up to the hype for me.


well its no fun if you just read it, you have to participate. maybe thats why i never got that "peace out" business.

anyway, we need another controversial subject to bitch about. any ideas?


gay people.
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Post by: Cecil on April 28, 2003, 04:07:26 PM
weve covered that one.

how bout abortions?
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 28, 2003, 04:14:36 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
weve covered that one.

how bout abortions?


how bout aborting gay babies?
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Post by: Cecil on April 28, 2003, 04:33:06 PM
how do we know if theyre gay or not? are you suggesting some type of minority report thing where we know if someone will be gay or not?
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 28, 2003, 04:44:51 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
how do we know if theyre gay or not? are you suggesting some type of minority report thing where we know if someone will be gay or not?


I think he means... if the parents are gay, then you know the kid is gay.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 28, 2003, 05:15:30 PM
if the baby comes out and it's wrists are limp, we can assume it's gay. or if it tries to make a pass at the doctor -- gay -- immediate execution
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on April 28, 2003, 07:37:09 PM
i think we should do the opposite and kill all the straight people. bi-sexuals are okay. that way, the population will drop and the world will be filled (mostly) with intelligent and creative individuals.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: MacGuffin on April 28, 2003, 08:23:06 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
i think we should do the opposite and kill all the straight people. bi-sexuals are okay. that way, the population will drop and the world will be filled (mostly) with intelligent and creative individuals.


I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Would I live or die?
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 28, 2003, 08:26:05 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: cecil b. demented
i think we should do the opposite and kill all the straight people. bi-sexuals are okay. that way, the population will drop and the world will be filled (mostly) with intelligent and creative individuals.


I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Would I live or die?


you'd become enslaved -- your purpose would be giving birth to STRAIGHT kids. the second we suspected a baby from your womb was GAY, you'd be slaughtered along with your child.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Sigur Rós on April 29, 2003, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
the rebirth has begun


Well, that's the reason I wrote my post about God  :-D
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: godardian on May 16, 2003, 04:18:55 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis


you'd become enslaved -- your purpose would be giving birth to STRAIGHT kids. the second we suspected a baby from your womb was GAY, you'd be slaughtered along with your child.


Handmaid's Tale?
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Sigur Rós on May 16, 2003, 06:43:28 PM
80% of all homophobic people are actually gay!......now just think about that!
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: godardian on May 16, 2003, 06:53:28 PM
Quote from: Sigur Rós
80% of all homophobic people are actually gay!......now just think about that!


That's what they say. The more virulent it is... the more virulent it is.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 16, 2003, 06:54:36 PM
Quote from: Sigur Rós
80% of all homophobic people are actually gay!......now just think about that!


sigur my old friend i cant go with you on that one.

i mean i know that gay men like to think that 90% of men are gay and they just wont admit it. But thats not true



just think about this name one big actor that the gay community has not claimed to be one of them

tom cruise , travolta, leanardo, brad pitt, vin diesel, yadda yadda

just because the brother on fraiser is in the closet does not mean that everyone in hollywood is gay .

but when you read those " blind items" in gossip mags they always try and make up some story about so and so being gay , and they are always written by gay men, like mike musto and ted cassablancas

by the way my fav all time blind item was this one that tried to make kid rock and eminem gay lovers who live on a farm together in detroit

thats just so fucking funny , true no funny yes
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on May 16, 2003, 07:02:08 PM
yeaaaaaa, the thread lives on
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Sigur Rós on May 16, 2003, 07:02:40 PM
............I'm not gay or anything! I like naked women and hey I'm just pointing out the facts!
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 16, 2003, 07:07:39 PM
Quote from: Sigur Rós
............I'm not gay or anything! I like naked women and hey I'm just pointing out the facts!


ohh i know

im still laughing about the kid rock and eminem thing, remember that joke eddie murphy had about weird people being gay like what if mister t was gay .

eminem and kid rock , ohh man that is a comic book worth writting those two on a farm gay for one another , thats fucking funny

but maybe not , out of fear of eminem sending all 6 members of his dirty dozen to come beat me up .
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on May 16, 2003, 07:17:45 PM
im not attacking anyone personally here, but why do people feel to clear up the fact that theyre "not gay?"
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 16, 2003, 07:22:45 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
im not attacking anyone personally here, but why do people feel to clear up the fact that theyre "not gay?"


because they do not want people to think they are gay
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on May 16, 2003, 07:26:14 PM
yeah but why? most of the time the person doesnt even say anything that would lead anyone to believe that he (cause mostly these people are men) is gay...
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 16, 2003, 07:36:34 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
yeah but why? most of the time the person doesnt even say anything that would lead anyone to believe that he (cause mostly these people are men) is gay...


because for the most part people do not want other people to think they are gay

that does not make them bad people, i know the p.c police have spoon fed that story to people but its not true

i do not think a person saying " i am not gay" makes them a bad person

i think beating and killing a person because they are gay is wrong

but me saying i find man on man butt sex gross, some people want to tie that together with the killing and the beating, when their is no real line to be drawn.

now i know godardian will jump in right now and try and tie the two together, but that does not make it so

one can draw a line this way too, saying some old lady in maryland eating at dairy queen is responcible for barry mannilow changing his image to be more gangsta rap

is hating someone just because they are gay right ????? NO

Is being honest with your self by saying that the concept kind of gives you the heebie geebies wrong ? NO

and thats the point, the p.c police need to to take a better look at who they are coming down on, that was not a cheap gay pun by the way .
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on May 16, 2003, 08:05:15 PM
bah

this thread isnt fun anymore
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: godardian on May 16, 2003, 11:05:33 PM
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love
Quote from: cecil b. demented
yeah but why? most of the time the person doesnt even say anything that would lead anyone to believe that he (cause mostly these people are men) is gay...


because for the most part people do not want other people to think they are gay

that does not make them bad people, i know the p.c police have spoon fed that story to people but its not true

i do not think a person saying " i am not gay" makes them a bad person

i think beating and killing a person because they are gay is wrong

but me saying i find man on man butt sex gross, some people want to tie that together with the killing and the beating, when their is no real line to be drawn.

now i know godardian will jump in right now and try and tie the two together, but that does not make it so

one can draw a line this way too, saying some old lady in maryland eating at dairy queen is responcible for barry mannilow changing his image to be more gangsta rap

is hating someone just because they are gay right ????? NO

Is being honest with your self by saying that the concept kind of gives you the heebie geebies wrong ? NO

and thats the point, the p.c police need to to take a better look at who they are coming down on, that was not a cheap gay pun by the way .


This is just childishness. Please, please, at least read a book or SOMETHING so you can articulate your focused and persistent turmoil of feelings on this in a way that's not so embarrassing... it's like arguing with somebody who only heard of the concept of human sexuality yesterday. It's taboo, it's superstition you're talking about here. This is not the place to argue it. I'm here. I happen to be gay. That may come up from time to time, but it's not my preferred topic of conversation, really. It's nothing to me. It's only an issue to some of you people. A very important one, judging from how often the idea came up all the fucking time, long before I ever started posting.

In fact, nobody would have to discuss the issue of "gay" here in this much detail if there wasn't such a fucking ugly, fearful, ignorant strain of animosity hiding amongst all the other naughty-little-boy, regressive, adolescent, cowering-and-giggling sexuality that runs rampant all over this place. When every other post is about how someone's protesting that they're not gay and how hot Sarah Michelle Gellar is and- in MINUTE detail- the things they'd like to do to her, it really, really begs the issue. You would all be horrified, absolutely horrified, if I were to discuss my lusts and preferences in the same way you do. And that's fucking hypocrisy. I guess it's just lucky for you that I'm mature enough not to feel the desperate need to share that kind of thing with you all. If your hypocrisy makes you uncomfortable, well, it bloody fucking well should; my mildly-relatively, VERY mildly- professed sexual orientation shouldn't. It shouldn't cause any of you to blink an eye for one fucking microsecond, with the kinds of things I see posted here.

If I'm not going to complain about getting the heebie-jeebies because of the endless parade of men here who constantly, constantly flaunt their sexuality in all kinds of stupid, insulting, juvenile ways- and frankly, it doesn't give me the heebie-jeebies, because I've learned to understand and accept sexuality different than my own- please at least have the common courtesy not to call mine "gross" unprovoked. It's a double standard, and I won't tolerate it. When this kind of stupidity goes on here, I'm not just going to let it go by without comment, because I have every right to feel welcome here- not always agreed with, not loved, not liked, just equally welcome- and I don't find many people's attitudes here welcoming in the SLIGHTEST.

So... I'll talk about movies and so on rationally, enthusiastically, sometimes heatedly but always with as much respect as I can muster, until someone makes some derogatory, unprovoked comment. I don't have to just be silent for that. There's really no reason to discuss it here, but if someone's going to bring it up in some derogatory, ignorant way, I'm going to provide the balance, so at least it's not all one-sided, thoughtless bullying.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 16, 2003, 11:57:03 PM
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love
because for the most part people do not want other people to think they are gay

that does not make them bad people, i know the p.c police have spoon fed that story to people but its not true


It's like you think of yourself as an Arab living in the U.S. saying "I'm not a terrorist"...

Face it... you're proud that you're not gay.

The fact that you go out of your way on a regular basis to make your heterosexuality widely known suggests a fear. Maybe not an ever-present fear.. but still a fear. Afraid of being gay? Afraid of being seen as gay? Afraid of knowing what it's like to be gay?

Are you afraid that if you sympathize too much with someone who is gay, you'll become a little too close.. just a little?
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: atticus jones on May 16, 2003, 11:58:07 PM
its all a bit geigh really

"man is the only animal who causes pain to others with no other object than wanting to do so"

re vibing the quote tip per p re quest
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: godardian on May 17, 2003, 12:02:52 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love
because for the most part people do not want other people to think they are gay

that does not make them bad people, i know the p.c police have spoon fed that story to people but its not true


It's like you think of yourself as an Arab living in the U.S. saying "I'm not a terrorist"...

Face it... you're proud that you're not gay.

The fact that you go out of your way on a regular basis to make your heterosexuality widely known suggests a fear. Maybe not an ever-present fear.. but still a fear. Afraid of being gay? Afraid of being seen as gay? Afraid of knowing what it's like to be gay?

Are you afraid that if you sympathize too much with someone who is gay, you'll become a little too close.. just a little?


Thank you for being so level-headed and reasonable and keeping your cool, here (some of us, um, lost our cool over this).
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Sigur Rós on May 17, 2003, 05:06:45 AM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
im not attacking anyone personally here, but why do people feel to clear up the fact that theyre "not gay?"


Because we are fucking homophobic!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Sigur Rós on May 17, 2003, 06:17:31 AM
Quote from: mogwai
Quote from: Sigur Rós
Quote from: cecil b. demented
im not attacking anyone personally here, but why do people feel to clear up the fact that theyre "not gay?"


Because we are fucking homophobic!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speak for yourself, Sigur.


Yeah, sorry! I'm actually not homophobic.....
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 17, 2003, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love
Quote from: cecil b. demented
yeah but why? most of the time the person doesnt even say anything that would lead anyone to believe that he (cause mostly these people are men) is gay...


because for the most part people do not want other people to think they are gay

that does not make them bad people, i know the p.c police have spoon fed that story to people but its not true

i do not think a person saying " i am not gay" makes them a bad person

i think beating and killing a person because they are gay is wrong

but me saying i find man on man butt sex gross, some people want to tie that together with the killing and the beating, when their is no real line to be drawn.

now i know godardian will jump in right now and try and tie the two together, but that does not make it so

one can draw a line this way too, saying some old lady in maryland eating at dairy queen is responcible for barry mannilow changing his image to be more gangsta rap

is hating someone just because they are gay right ????? NO

Is being honest with your self by saying that the concept kind of gives you the heebie geebies wrong ? NO

and thats the point, the p.c police need to to take a better look at who they are coming down on, that was not a cheap gay pun by the way .


This is just childishness. Please, please, at least read a book or SOMETHING so you can articulate your focused and persistent turmoil of feelings on this in a way that's not so embarrassing... it's like arguing with somebody who only heard of the concept of human sexuality yesterday. It's taboo, it's superstition you're talking about here. This is not the place to argue it. I'm here. I happen to be gay. That may come up from time to time, but it's not my preferred topic of conversation, really. It's nothing to me. It's only an issue to some of you people. A very important one, judging from how often the idea came up all the fucking time, long before I ever started posting.

In fact, nobody would have to discuss the issue of "gay" here in this much detail if there wasn't such a fucking ugly, fearful, ignorant strain of animosity hiding amongst all the other naughty-little-boy, regressive, adolescent, cowering-and-giggling sexuality that runs rampant all over this place. When every other post is about how someone's protesting that they're not gay and how hot Sarah Michelle Gellar is and- in MINUTE detail- the things they'd like to do to her, it really, really begs the issue. You would all be horrified, absolutely horrified, if I were to discuss my lusts and preferences in the same way you do. And that's fucking hypocrisy. I guess it's just lucky for you that I'm mature enough not to feel the desperate need to share that kind of thing with you all. If your hypocrisy makes you uncomfortable, well, it bloody fucking well should; my mildly-relatively, VERY mildly- professed sexual orientation shouldn't. It shouldn't cause any of you to blink an eye for one fucking microsecond, with the kinds of things I see posted here.

If I'm not going to complain about getting the heebie-jeebies because of the endless parade of men here who constantly, constantly flaunt their sexuality in all kinds of stupid, insulting, juvenile ways- and frankly, it doesn't give me the heebie-jeebies, because I've learned to understand and accept sexuality different than my own- please at least have the common courtesy not to call mine "gross" unprovoked. It's a double standard, and I won't tolerate it. When this kind of stupidity goes on here, I'm not just going to let it go by without comment, because I have every right to feel welcome here- not always agreed with, not loved, not liked, just equally welcome- and I don't find many people's attitudes here welcoming in the SLIGHTEST.

So... I'll talk about movies and so on rationally, enthusiastically, sometimes heatedly but always with as much respect as I can muster, until someone makes some derogatory, unprovoked comment. I don't have to just be silent for that. There's really no reason to discuss it here, but if someone's going to bring it up in some derogatory, ignorant way, I'm going to provide the balance, so at least it's not all one-sided, thoughtless bullying.



again i have to point out that this all started because i called a film gay and i was beat up for it, so on that issue alone yeah kind of sensitive

and i am trying unlearn the lessons that some of us were force fed.

why is it ok to come down on some people but not others .

i could say redneckish and not a fucking peep

its like that debate about religion , if a rock star finds jesus he is called a freak and he is made to feel like shit, but if he becomes a buddists well he is the fucking man

and godardian, i can bet that i am better read then you, but since i do not go around pushing my tastes the way you do, its hard for you to tell

i like godard a lot, just because i do not name drop him in my fucking screen name does not make you a bigger fan

it just says you want people to think you are cool by leeching on to someone elses cool .
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: children with angels on May 17, 2003, 11:30:37 AM
Rednecks... compared to... Homosexuality.........?

Christianity/Buddhism..... compared to...... Homosexuality......?

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

No one's saying you're gay, man.
No one's saying you want to kill gay people either.
Being tolerant of other people's sexuality is just a matter of common decency - it's nothing to do with the "P.C police". It's common fucking decency. You don't have to be over-the-top nice about it - just don't be so uptight about it either, man...! What you see as post-political-correctness enlightenment is just coming accross as pre-political correctness bigotry.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 17, 2003, 11:37:16 AM
Quote from: children with angels
Rednecks... compared to... Homosexuality.........?

Christianity/Buddhism..... compared to...... Homosexuality......?

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

No one's saying you're gay, man.
No one's saying you want to kill gay people either.
Being tolerant of other people's sexuality is just a matter of common decency - it's nothing to do with the "P.C police". It's common fucking decency. You don't have to be over-the-top nice about it - just don't be so uptight about it either, man...! What you see as post-political-correctness enlightenment is just coming accross as pre-political correctnes bigotry.



And does big font make things somehow better ?

i think people need to mellow out some.

the redneck thing by the way goes like this, can  people help where they are born no, are they wrong for having values that are differnt then your's and mine.

but like i said its ok to slam some people and not others
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: sphinx on May 17, 2003, 12:56:28 PM
i consider this to be my finest post.  ladies and gentlemen, a complete summary of this thread for those who missed it.

substance d:
donnie darko is sloppy.

rudieob:
yes i suppose so

duck sauce:
nah i thought it was cool

xixax:
i pity the foo who hates DD

ghostboy:
it was good but with flaws

ebeaman:
fuck bryan singer and the usual suspects

cecil b. demented:
really?

raikus:
this thread is bullshit!

the gold trumpet:
dd isn't garbage, but it is overrated.

macguffin:
richard kelly is an amateur showoff.

cecil b. demented:
i disagree.

rudieob:
i disagree as well.

macguffin:
nope.  this one part was really unimportant

cecil b. demented:
no it wasn't

macguffin:
how was it not unimportant?

rudieob:
macguffin is wrong, it was important because you needed to establish shit.

regularkarate:
i think dd was great, but with flaws.  oh yeah, x-men.

cecil b. demented:
what kind of x-men do you read?

regularkarate:
both kinds.

picolas:
donnie darko was amazing.  fuck you all

substance d:
kelly shouldn't have tried to explain it all.  that ruined it.

cbrad4d:
lick my ass, suspects was well written, but dd's dialogue made me cringe.  oh me, oh my

_|P|_:
jena malone is phat

xixax:
macguffin, you're wrong, everything had a purpose in that movie.

macguffin:
to the director, maybe.  i will watch it again

regularkarate:
cbrad4d, that's sassy talk for a girl. i thought the usual suspects was good.

cbrad4d:
didn't have an anti-sassy nap today.

the gold trumpet:
hah, i am suprised that cbrad is a female.

regularkarate:
hah, i am surprised that the gold trumpet is a screenwriter.

bill maplewood:
i thought dd was overrated too.

xixax:
i can't take much of this anymore

sphinx:
i can't take much of this anymore

derek:
didn't like it.

cbrad4d:
gt, i'm just a guy who likes ponette.  fuck off

the gold trumpet:
fuck off?  whaaaaat?

phil marlowe:
why is everyone so edgy?

the gold trumpet:
being edgy is popular.

cbrad4d:
chill out, trumpet.

regularkarate:
cbrad just changed his avatar to something more manly.  i laugh.

xixax:
i miss ponette.

jeremy blackman:
recognize irony or die, muthafuckas!

pawbloe:
fuck off.

jeremy blackman:
i hate you.  i would like to argue with you.

polkablues:
donnie darko was good.

sphinx:
we need a shot of budgie

duck sauce:
budgie is beautiful because she's missing.  sigh

cbrad4d:
me too

thc:
i lost respect for the movie after watching it a few times but am still interested.

macguffin:
nobody misses budgie as much as i do.

xixax:
don't worry, there's plenty of other babes on the boards

ebeaman:
who is the mysterious budgie?  i know nothing of her

xixax:
CYB0R
duck sauce:
budgie is a soul shaker

the gold trumpet:
i saw 'way of the gun' and just turned it off.

moonshiner:
i agree, but i thought dd was good.

ebeaman:
i loved dd.

macguffin:
i am checking out another girl

sigur ros:
i didn't understand dd either.

xixax:
the more i watch dd, the more i like it.  don't fuck with my love, kiddies

snaporaz:
boondock saints was shit.  donnie darko was kewl.

polkablues:
indeed.

jmj:
i agree with xixax.

bigideas:
i just saw dd and had no idea what the fuck was going on there.
polkablues: i liked daredevil, by the way.

jmj:
uh huh...

raikus:
i thought daredevil was okay.

jmj:
the music killed the movie.

raikus:
yeah, but i had a good time watching it.

bonanzataz:
i liked daredevil because it fucking sucked

snaporaz:
unrelated question!  did anyone find the cinematography in pi and reqiuem annoying?

children with angels:
i thought reqiuem was overrated.  boo.

h.p.r.l:
yeah.  the guy who made it is full of shit

budgie:
reqieum is repetitive.  wraa.  i enjoyed donnie dar....mmmm jake gyllenhaaaaaallllaalllallll

h.p.r.l:
reqieum is gay

cbrad4d:
no, you're gay.

h.p.r.l:
it just wasn't my thing.

cbrad4d:
maybe reqieum just wasn't enjoyed by all.

h.p.r.l:
sorry about being a prick back there

jmj:
don't use gay in the derogatory sense.

h.p.r.l:
whatever

sphinx:
i don't tolerate the use of that word in such a sense.  blah blah blah

xixax:
loosen up, sphinx

picolas:
no, don't.  time for a scarf analogy

sphinx:
whoops, sorry xixax.  i was brainwashed by greg

cowboykurtis:
I SUSPECT DONNIE DARKO WAS MADE TO BE ARTSY

xixax:
i disagree with you but i enjoy the way you write your posts.

h.p.r.l:
sphinx is gheyyy

sphinx:
wraaaa xixax

budgie:
i wish requiem was directed by david lynch.

snaporaz:
hmmm interesting.

jdaniel:
there is only one person in the world that thinks dd is overrated.

substanced:
you obviously haven't read the other posts in the thread, jackass.

budgie:
indeed, snaporaz.

polkablues:
xixax, your views of the word gay are fucked up

cowboykurtis:
donnie darko isn't a satire.  it's stupid

xixax:
maybe i'm wrong but we shouldn't always try to be politically correct.  being gay is a choice, and it's morally and ethically wrong.

h.p.r.l:
whatever.

jake_82:
maybe you should try to be considerate of others hprl

h.p.r.l:
okay, but i never said anything bad about gay people

cbrad4d:
i completely disagree with you, xixax.

snaporax:
dd is just a story, stupids.

budgie:
[avoids general confusion]

_|P|_:
i am black

cowboykurtis:
fuck you, snaporaz.

xixax:
i have a long penis.  heh heh heh

snaporaz:
fuck you, cowboykurtis!

sphinx:
you're wrong, cowboykurtis.

cowboykurtis:
no, it's just like this...and snaporaz isn't a big man!

snaporaz:
oooooh, i'm scared.  try not to talk out of your ass next time, asshole

cbrad4d:
enough of this

jmj:
xixax, you're an ignorant muthafucka

polkablues:
this is getting interesting.  i question your opinion, xixax

jmj:
i agree, polkablues.

xixax:
i still think being gay is wrong, but my gay friends disagree.  let's all talk about donnie darko

snaporaz:
i think being gay is gross.

xixax:
that was kind of uncalled for.

snaporaz:
oooh, sorr-yy!

jmj:
i am offended.

snaporaz:
i think i have a good idea of what gay people are liked and they're not responsible.  they're sick, demented perverts

xixax:
hmmmm

life_boy:
i'm divided on this issue.

jmj:
snaporaz your opinion is based on what you saw in a gay porno theatre.  that's stupid of you.

regularkarate:
the analogies in this thread are stupid.  i don't use the word fag to insult people because it hurts specific groups of people.

snaporaz:
my opinion is based on what i know.  so there!

regularkarate:
you may be entitled to an opinion, snaporaz, but you're being a bit of an ass

snaporaz:
oh bullshit, get the fuck off my back, backfucker

regularkarate:
i just don't care for your choice of words, that's all.

snaporaz:
don't take my comments as some sort of a personal attack, motherfucker!

xixax:
my brain hurts.  let's talk about creationism

picolas:
xixax, people should be able to choose to be gay as much as they should be able to choose if they want to climb mount everest or drink of bottle of tequila for breakfast.  my two cents

jeremy blackman:
same here.

bonanzataz:
why is everybody getting so fucked up about this.

_|P|_:
this thread is fucked up.  bonanzataz is the only one who has things straight around here.

budgie:
xixax, it's easy to criticise political cortectness when you're not on the receiving end of it.

jmj:
let's forget all this and talk about movies that suck.

bonanzataz:
poop hahah

polkablues:
xixax, i need you to clarify your point of view.

xixax:
okay, done.  why can't we just move on?

h.p.r.l:
if we go back, this all started because i called a film gay.

cecil b. demented:
irrelevant.  the thread has shifted into a new being.

bonanzataz:
i'll just not use the word gay if i think it's offend someone who is standing nearby.

h.p.r.l:
you're right, taz.  xixax never said that we should kill fags, he just thought it was wrong.

duck sauce:
i think king of the hill is great.

h.p.r.l:
me too.

xixax:
are studio executives gay?

jeremy blackman:
i believe the correct word is 'ghey'

xixax:
no, i meant gay.  as in homosexual.

duck sauce:
i enjoy how the simpsons has a lack of political correctness.

ghostboy:
everyone just do your own thing.

cbrad4d:
even though i'm not gay, queer as folk is pretty good.

[no linking narrative at this point]

bill maplewood:
hprl, your father was a racist homophobe.

h.p.r.l:
interesting words coming from a fag.

bill maplewood:
i don't think you know what you're talking about

h.p.r.l:
okay then, fag

bill maplewood:
that's intelligent of you.  quick, everyone take this political test!

h.p.r.l:
you're just feeding me

ducksauce:
i did the test.

xerxes:
me too.  i think i'm the next gandhi.

sphinx:
i also think i'm the next gandhi.

picolas:
i took the test too.

duck sauce:
coool

life_boy:
oh shit, i took the test too!

_|P|_:
oh well.

cecil b. demented:
what a fucking surprise. i took the test too

jeremy blackman:
me too.

ghostboy:
I THOUGHT THE TEST WAS THOUGHT PROVOKING AND ALSO INTERESTING

h.p.r.l:
i took the test and didn't understand the results.

budgie:
blackman is a faker

_|P|_:
i am a perfect being

mogwai:
the test says i think things that i don't.  what the fuck?

duck sauce:
you sayin' you hate gays?

pedro the wombat:
wow.  i took the test too.

rudieob:
why does this topic still exist?

polkablues:
in the spirit of not stopping a topic, i took the test too.

lester:
fuck it all, everything is just a spectrum.

cecil b. demented:
well said

jeremy blackman:
well said indeed

lester:
oh look, i took the test too, and i'm fucking gandhi.

h.p.r.l:
well said lester, fuck everything.

budgie:
unfortunately, lester, lines do exist.  sorry.

jeremy blackman:
oh, got him there.  well done budgie, i agree

budgie:
blackman, you just contradicted yourself.

jeremy blackman:
err, ahh...hrmmm....heh?

budgie:
ehh.

tommy_both:
my test results were ridiculously close to picolas'.  perhaps we are the same person?

xixax:
i took the test and was dead center.

ghostboy:
this is likely to go on forever.  perhaps it should be locked?

_|P|_:
no, long threads is what makes life worth living.

jmj:
hprl, you're full of shit.

h.p.r.l:
let's all mellow out

jmj:
okay.

jame_82:
i think we need to understand that using gay in a derogatory manner has an effect even if you think it doesn't, think of the suicidal kids

cowboykurtis:
yes, but the suicide was their decision.

jake_82:
yeah, but you can still stop people from making that decision.

cecil b. demented:
some people are more sensitive than others.

cowboykurtis:
but they're still responsible for their own suicides.

cecil b. demented:
it's not like he chooses what hurts him and what doesn't.

cowboykurtis:
i'm just saying that if you kill yourself, it's your own fault.

jake_82:
but why not make a world where you wouldn't be pushed to make the decision?

cowboykurtis:
all i'm saying is that i don't have any sympathy for people that kill themselves.  read the fucking words

cecil b. demented:
do you have any sympathy for people who are going through a rough time because of gay insults?

cowboykurtis:
i don't want other people to hurt, i just don't sympathize for people who let that hurt control them.

jake_82:
don't get defensive, homeslice

cecil b. demented:
and all we're saying is that using gay like that is hurtful.

jake_82:
shut the fuck up!  we've established that!  there's no just no reason why you can't stop contributing to people's pain.

cowboykurtis:
okay, sorry.  wait a minute, you don't me!  you don't know me!

regularkarate:
i think he was just referring to people in general.  don't get defensive, homeslice

budgie:
cowboykurtis, you're ignoring the fact that prejudice is the cause of these problems, and forcing everyone to be responsible for themselves is just as bad as attacking them.  ignorance feeds the problems

cowboykurtis:
if i saw someone being attacked or mistreated, i would do my best to stop it.  it's not my problem, though, and why should it be?

budgie:
but that means you do feel symptahy.  

cowboykurtis:
i never said i didn't have sympathy for being people attacked, but after suicide you have no symptahy from me.  that's it.

cecil b. demented:
stop being so fucking angry

h.p.r.l:
why does this topic still exist

cecil b. demented:
it's back because people don't care.

h.p.r.l:
it's people's own fault that external things bother them.

cowboykurtis:
and i'm not angry!  just read my fucking words!

cecil b. demented:
maybe you should try that yourself.

cowboykurtis:
give me an example of where i've misread a post.

the gold trumpet:
i'm glad i stayed out of this.

cowboykurtis:
i'm sad i didn't.

cecil b. demented:
we didn't accuse you of being a gay bashed, we just accused you of being insensitive

cowboykurtis:
okay, i'm insensitive.

_|P|_:
great now everyone shut the fuck up

budgie:
your ignorance is the problem here, cowboy

[no narrative for this part]

h.p.r.l:
this thread will live forever, like the kids from fame.

sigur ros:
i hate fame

h.p.r.l:
how dare you speak blasphemy, those kids had sass

the gold trumpet:
this may truly be the sequel to peace out.

bonanzataz:
until somebody complains that the title of the thread is derogatory.

the gold trumpet:
let's have another fight!  who hates memento?

cecil b. demented:
i think some people just bash movies because they transition from obscure to popular.

the gold trumpet:
i always hated memento.

h.p.r.l:
i remember this girl who always liked things until they became popular

cowboykurtis:
matt damon should have replaced guy peace in memento.

the gold trumpet:
okay.  fuck you.

cowboykurtis:
my opinion overrides yours at any time, so accept it.

[no narrative for this part]

macguffin:
i'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.  would i live or die under the rules that we should kill all straight people?

cowboykurtis:
you would be enslaved.

[no narrative]

godardian:
this is all really stupid.

jeremy blackman:
are you afraid that you might turn gay, hprl?

me:
it's all a bit geigh really

h.p.r.l:
again, why is it that i get killed for calling something gay, but when people call someone a redneck they don't get shit?

children with angels:
what the fuck are you talking about?

h.p.r.l:
i choose to dodge your question.

sphinx: everything
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 17, 2003, 01:10:20 PM
i know you worked hard on this , but i have to interject that i never would have said

" well said lester"
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: sphinx on May 17, 2003, 01:11:16 PM
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love
i know you worked hard on this , but i have to interject that i never would have said

" well said lester"


yeah, but it's a summary, right?  all irony and sarcasm have been neutralized, so you'll never be able to tell what's what.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 17, 2003, 01:12:30 PM
Quote from: sphinx
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love
i know you worked hard on this , but i have to interject that i never would have said

" well said lester"


yeah, but it's a summary, right?  all irony and sarcasm have been neutralized, so you'll never be able to tell what's what.


i know i was just kidding

im impressed really with your ambition to turn a simple post into something else
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: MacGuffin on May 17, 2003, 01:17:14 PM
Damn, and we thought Tarantino had too much time on his hands.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 17, 2003, 01:19:17 PM
any chance of seeing sphinx in the audience of american idol, or at the least in a movie theather yelling " royale with cheese royale with cheese"
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: godardian on May 17, 2003, 01:34:51 PM
On a lighter note, judging from sphinx's Reader's Digestion of the entire thread, we have all done our share to make sure the title of this topic belies itself in a major way.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 17, 2003, 01:45:48 PM
the very reason this thread has gone this long says a lot

if this topic was brought up a few years ago , it would not have went this long

and the very fact that it is not just one person against a whole website, brings to mind that this is a very real issue .

i think a lot of us who write paint act sing whatever  are feeling a post 90's backlash

Much like it was ok to goof on hair metal back in 2003 , its ok now to goof on the ultra liberal p.c types

so one could say that the same way rage against the machine burn the american flag, some people go out of their ways to use the word gay as a way to put down something  .


but still i point out that maybe some people here would not be so quick to stand up for somebody if they shout out a opinion that is not in vouge.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: xerxes on May 17, 2003, 01:59:27 PM
now do "iraq and you"  :wink:
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on May 17, 2003, 02:02:48 PM
best post ever, sphinx. best post ever.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 17, 2003, 02:25:05 PM
Best thread summary ever.

Although I see you edited out the communism.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: sphinx on May 17, 2003, 02:29:00 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Best thread summary ever.

Although I see you edited out the communism.


yeah, that was a bit tricky.  the thread started to get looser near the end
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 17, 2003, 02:34:13 PM
you skipped the part about tom jones disco and the dukes of hazzard
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on May 17, 2003, 03:55:54 PM
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love
you skipped the part about tom jones disco and the dukes of hazzard


well hey guys, when adapting a 24 page thread into 1 post, some stuff has to go. of course the whole thread has more character developement and more scenes but what can you do?
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 17, 2003, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love
you skipped the part about tom jones disco and the dukes of hazzard


well hey guys, when adapting a 24 page thread into 1 post, some stuff has to go. of course the whole thread has more character developement and more scenes but what can you do?


but come on now the dukes the dukes
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on May 17, 2003, 04:02:15 PM
i heard david mamets version kept the dukes, but the producers didnt like it cause it slowed the whole post down.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: godardian on May 17, 2003, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
i heard david mamets version kept the dukes, but the producers didnt like it cause it slowed the whole post down.


Joe Eszterhas's version had everyone hating each other for a while, but then rather graphically getting it on.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: MacGuffin on May 17, 2003, 04:16:47 PM
Tarrantino's version had all the members pull out guns and end with a Mexican stand-off.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: sphinx on May 17, 2003, 04:18:29 PM
kubrick's version couldn't be shot because none of the forum members wanted to be in a movie that wasn't going to be presented in widescreen
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: RegularKarate on May 18, 2003, 12:18:08 AM
Jolly good, Stinx... as I read over the last week's worth of posts to this thread that I have chosen to ignore, I had a lot of shit to say, but as I read your summary, I realize, it's all been said... I'm gonna leave it...

I disagree with this and agree with that... whatever...  maybe I'll join in when something new is brought up.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Sigur Rós on May 18, 2003, 06:19:35 AM
Quote from: sphinx
i consider this to be my finest post.  ladies and gentlemen, a complete summary of this thread for those who missed it.
Quote


I only say one thing in the hole discussion.

Sigur Rós: I hate Fame

Man I'm weird!  :cry:
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Cecil on May 18, 2003, 10:28:51 AM
Quote from: sphinx
bonanzataz:
i liked daredevil because it fucking sucked


this was the best line. i dont know how he did it, but sphinx managed to boil down the complex being that is bonanzataz into one line that explains everything about him. powerful writing.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: BonBon85 on May 18, 2003, 12:31:14 PM
Bravo, Sphinx. I now wish I had posted in this thread just so I could have been summarized.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 17, 2003, 05:14:17 PM
This (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-07-07-talk-host-fired_x.htm) is interesting.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Pas on July 17, 2003, 09:08:33 PM
They shouldn't have fired him, they should have put him in fire
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Gold Trumpet on July 17, 2003, 09:40:24 PM
Look, a thread actually reminiscinting about its own greatness while look idly for a spark to jump kick it again.

Here's a perfect one for this thread. Everyone give a good fuck you to the person/thing/animal or whatever that best fits that sentence and comes to thought quickly. Only a few items can be given the "fuck you" treatment. Try to make it short and simple.  


Fuck Jacko and his defenders.

~rougerum
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Pubrick on July 17, 2003, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Look, a thread actually reminiscinting about its own greatness while look idly for a spark to jump kick it again.

firstly, this thread was never great. second, reminiscinting is not a word.

the rest of what u said is complete ga-ga nonsense.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Gold Trumpet on July 17, 2003, 10:41:08 PM
who said I could ever spell? And in this type of thread, content never really matters. Length is the thing that matters cause it reminds of yet another thread and a sub conscious goal for some here to get this one near that as much as possible.

You're just spitting ga ga nonsense.

Thread ruiner.

~rougerum
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: ©brad on July 18, 2003, 09:39:45 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Length is the thing that matters cause it reminds of yet another thread and a sub conscious goal for some here to get this one near that as much as possible.
~rougerum


(http://www.bhop73.com/artwork/huh.gif)
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on July 18, 2003, 09:47:03 AM
:lol:

This thread doesn't require its posters to speak any form of comprehensible language.  That's evident.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: polkablues on July 18, 2003, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: Ghoulardi Goon
:lol:

This thread doesn't require its posters to speak any form of comprehensible language.  That's evident.



Gzpequtlk?
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: nix on July 18, 2003, 06:59:50 PM
As cliched as using the dolly/zoom shot made famous in Jaws.

This is called a reverse zoom and it was made famous by Hitchcock. The so called "hey I'm directing" stuff isn't there for no reason. If you think about the time travel and time distortion aspect of the movie, then it makes perfect sense. He's using a visual to represent one of the major themes of the film.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Pubrick on July 18, 2003, 08:50:47 PM
Quote from: nix
As cliched as using the dolly/zoom shot made famous in Jaws.

This is called a reverse zoom and it was made famous by Hitchcock. The so called "hey I'm directing" stuff isn't there for no reason. If you think about the time travel and time distortion aspect of the movie, then it makes perfect sense. He's using a visual to represent one of the major themes of the film.

hahaha. thanks.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Banky on August 19, 2003, 05:15:53 PM
i just saw Donnie Darko for the first time and i really liked it.  I got really involved in it but am not quite sure i understood the ending.  Well i dont understand why Donnie was back in bed when the jet engine fell into his room and secondly what did the wave at the end represent?  Maybe i just need to watch it again.  I bought it today on a blind buy for 9.99.  I figured it was worth having for all the discussion it gets on several different threads.  Anyone have any explanations?
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: fulty on August 29, 2003, 12:15:26 AM
Quote from: Banky
..... what did the wave at the end represent? .....   Anyone have any explanations?

That threw me for a loop.
But, I think it meant that Donnie was dead the whole time.
The entire movie was his "memory" of people he knew.
He never actually met the girlfriend.
The only connection was the wave.
His mother was grieving as Donnie was being carried away.
She imagined that her son would like a nice girl like the one on the bicycle.
Donnie's ghost picked up the vibes through his mother.
The whole movie was his slightly exaggerated view of his life.
I loved it.  I cry at the end.
$9.... I'm jealous
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Banky on August 29, 2003, 08:06:02 AM
now i know a lot more about the movie.  I understand it more but still not entirely.  I listened to the audio commentay and read the book the philosophy of time travel.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: fulty on August 29, 2003, 10:45:49 AM
Quote from: Banky
... the philosophy of time travel.


Wow, I thought that was just a movie prop.
Did you enjoy the book?

I only saw the movie on TV, but would love to get the DVD.
The music is great.

Is the commentary interesting?
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: NEON MERCURY on August 29, 2003, 11:04:54 AM
.....i thought this film was good not great...***/*****

donnie darko.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: cowboykurtis on August 29, 2003, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: nix
As cliched as using the dolly/zoom shot made famous in Jaws.

.


made famous in vertigo -- booya
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Banky on August 29, 2003, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: fulty
Quote from: Banky
... the philosophy of time travel.


Wow, I thought that was just a movie prop.
Did you enjoy the book?

I only saw the movie on TV, but would love to get the DVD.
The music is great.

Is the commentary interesting?


yeah they have two commentaries.  One has Jake Glyenhal and Richard Kelly.  And then a different one marked cast and crew.  I only listened to Jake/Richard but it was very informative and funny.  They have all deleted scens with or without commentary and you can read The Philosophy of TIme Travel on the DVD. only 9.99 at Best Buy.
Title: not the most popular thread anymore, donnie darko and homos.
Post by: Banky on September 07, 2003, 10:25:24 PM
i know , "a double-post" deal with it.  From a while back but is an interesting read.  Sorry im just discovering this movie and really interested in it.



After a recent screening of Donnie Darko (now in limited release), Richard Kelly (the director of Donnie Darko) and Jake Gyllenhaal (who plays the film's title character) showed up to answer a few audience questions.

There are some moments in the film that involve a possible airplane disaster. Was there anything cut out of the film due to the events of September 11th?

Richard Kelly: You know, like everyone did, I think we all went and looked back at the film. Everyone probably reevaluated everything at that point. And, no changes were made to the film because of that. But we pulled out an image from the trailer, from the advertising materials. We pulled the image of the jet engine out of the trailers. But we felt that the film is what it is, and it's a period piece. And there really wasn't anything that we could do… because the film wouldn't have made sense. No one wanted to change anything, so, we hope that we're okay. We hope that people are okay to deal with it.

How old are you?

RK: I'm 26 years old.

I wrote the script probably three years ago, right when I got out of college. And I got really lucky, and I got signed by an agent because of the script. With the help of my producer. We submitted it to a few agencies, and it kinda got passed up the agency food chain. I lucked out, and I got representation. The first thing that we said was that I was going to direct it and he was going to produce it, and we were really really adamant about that. And we made a deal that we would never give it away or sell it without that guarantee that I was directing it and he was producing it.

It was really difficult, because for about a year and three months, we met everyone in town, and everyone really liked the script, and they were really impressed with the writing sample, but when they saw me, they were like, "Yeah, right. Forget it. It's not gonna happen." We got that a lot. We got a lot of rejection just based on that simple fact: that I hadn't directed a feature before. I did a couple of shorts in college. I went to USC film school.

You know, it's funny the way your movie really gets made. In early 2000, after about a year of taking meeting after meeting with every studio and independent company, and having people almost wanna say yes, but not say yes…. Jason Schwartzman, we heard, was interested in the script and really liked it. And we were obviously big fans of Jason's from Rushmore. And he attached himself to star, and all of the sudden, that kind of validated me as a director. To have a movie star say, "I believe in this guy." The script all the sudden got a lot more attention. We started getting tangible offers for financing.

And then it landed in Nancy Juvonen's lap, and she read it. She's Drew Barrymore's partner, one of the producers in the film. She gave it to Drew, and then they kind of accosted my agent at ShowWest in Las Vegas, and I was in the screening of the Charlie's Angels trailer a couple days later, and I asked Drew to play Ms. Pomeroy, and she said, "Yes, if you let my production company be involved." And I said, "Absolutely." And then we had Drew. We had a week window for her, in the summer of 2000, and we had our financing. We got four and a half million dollars to make the movie. And it just came together really quickly. Jason had to back out because of a scheduling conflict with another movie he was going to do. And we got this guy here. [Points to Jake.]

What is your favorite horror film?

RK: I think probably my favorite horror film is The Shining. I love that movie.

You know, clearly, Sam Raimi let us use Evil Dead. Let us digitally manipulate Evil Dead, which was really cool of him. I love both versions of The Thing, including Carpenter's remake. I think it's fantastic. Horror isn't my thing necessarily, but I definitely reference genre filmmaking a lot.

What was it like doing the film on $4.5 million?

RK: It was very difficult, but we did it. A lot of it has to do with my cinematographer, Steven Poster, who really has to be given a lot of the credit. For getting us anamorphic lenses, which we really wanted. It's rare that a first time director can get anamorphic lenses. He got us a really huge discount at Panavision. Panavision hooked us up.

All the crew, all the cast did it for scale. No one made a dime on this. I'll never see any money on this, trust me. My points are like donkey points. But I don't care. It's fine. I'm just glad I got to do it. I think we just made sure that every dollar ended up on the big screen. And I got my friends to help us with some of the visual effects. I used to serve cappuccinos at a post-production house. And I learned a lot about visual effects. I understand how to do this stuff for cheap, and make it looks like it costs a lot more. It was tough, but we pulled it off. I owe a lot of people favors right now.

Jake, what's coming up next for you?

Jake Gyllenhaal: I just have a few movies coming out. I have a movie called The Good Girl coming out that Miguel Arteta, who directed Chuck and Buck, and Mike White wrote, and that they made together, starring Jennifer Aniston and John C. Reilly and Tim Blake Nelson. And then another movie called Goodbye Hello or Baby's in Black or something, with Dustin Hoffman and Susan Sarandon and Holly Hunter.

Weren't you in Bubble Boy?

JG: Yeah…. You know, that came out.

RK: He has the bubble in his car right now.

The 1980s are a very important part of this film's setting. Why the 80s?

RK: What made me go back to the 80s? Well, you know, I grew up in the 80s, I was a teenager in 1988. And I think the original concept of the movie was…. It always just had to be a period piece for me. It had to take place in 1988. And I think that, once we started kind of putting together, I figured, "You know, we really haven't seen many nostalgia pieces for the 80s." We've seen some kind of campy comedies done about the 80s. I figured that if I'm going to try to do a coming-of-age tale or a nostalgia piece, I don't know anything about the 70s, and the 90s are too recent, so…. For me, the story would never have worked had I done it modern or contemporary.

A lot of songs were kind of designed into script, particularly the Tears for Fears. We tried to pick songs that retained some dignity of the 80s, if there is any dignity, a shred of dignity left from the 80s. We tried to pick music that was good. There is a lot of kitschy 80s music that hasn't aged well, and we were careful to try to pick songs that have aged well. We were really specific with the musical choices, and we wanted to make sure that we had these kind of lyrical moments spread through the movie. In a weird way, I feel that it has some elements of a musical to it, you know, with the some of the choreography and the steady-cam. Stuff like that.

Was it expensive to get the rights for those songs?

RK: Expensive? Surprisingly, no. Because not a lot of people have pilfered 80s music for movies… yet. Our music supervisors did an amazing job in cutting a deal with Tears for Fears. And we had to swap up a couple songs and change 'em up. But it worked out, kind of miraculously… we were able to get this music. We were all shocked that we were able to pull it off. Some of the bands were really difficult to deal with, because they've all broken up, and they all hate each other, and their managers hate each other. And it was just a big nightmare. It's tough to get them on the soundtrack album. That's whole 'nother story. Getting them in the movie is one thing, but the soundtrack album is a whole 'nother ball of wax.

Why the rabbit? [THERE ARE SPOILERS IN THIS ANSWER, FOLKS. DON'T READ THIS 'TIL YOU WATCH THE MOVIE]

RK: Ultimately, I knew that that the monster, the vision, was going to be this kid in a Halloween costume. And there was a subplot cut out of the film where Drew Barrymore teaches her class Watership Down, the novel by Richard Adams, which is about a community of rabbits. And it's kind of the senior thesis metaphor scene that had to get dropped.

For me, I always thought it was fascinating…. Rabbits are kind of the most innocent, pure creatures. They have sex, and they hang out, and that's what they do, and they're great. The fact that the monster is a rabbit had a sense of irony. It was the first idea that I had, and I stuck with it. It has nothing to do with Harvey. I didn't even see Harvey…. Everyone thinks that this is a riff on Harvey, but I never saw that movie until like maybe a year ago, a little after I had done this film.

How did you get Katharine Ross?

RK: Getting Katharine Ross.… We were casting, and there was a cast list that I saw, and her name was on it. And I said to the casting director, "Katharine Ross. Where has she been?" Everyone remembers her from Butch Cassidy, and The Graduate and Stepford Wives, and how beautiful she is. We found out that she had just gotten an agent and had decided that she wanted to start acting again. She's married to Sam Elliot. She lives up in Malibu, and she has a 15-year-old daughter, and she kind of left the business to raise her daughter. So, we contacted her, sent her the script. She liked it.

Jake and I drove up to her house in Malibu and sat down with her and she said she'd love to do it. I'm really proud of her performance. I think she brings great dignity to the role. She has this beauty and wisdom. I would love to work with her again.

Can you talk about all the sexual elements in the movie?

RK: Jake, how was it in that scene where you had to almost stick your hand in your pants? If you're going to do a movie about a 16-year-old, to me it just seems obvious. Teenagers think a lot about sex. They certainly do.

What does the movie mean, really? [SPOILERS IN THIS ANSWER]

RK: I think, ultimately, it's about accepting the inevitability of fate. Accepting that there is a great master plan behind it all. And, whatever choices you make, you were meant to make those choices. And I think, ultimately, in the end, he's enlightened.

You can interpret the ending in two ways. That when he's in bed, he's laughing because he thinks it's all a dream, and he's just going to roll over and go to sleep because he thinks it's all a dream. Or he's laughing because he's enlightened because he's seen the potential, and he's had a vision, and he's accepted…. He's had a religious experience. And that's greater and better than anything that we could comprehend. So, ultimately, I hope that it would be about enlightenment, more than anything else.

RK: The movie's meant to be a roller coaster ride that occurs over 28 days. And it throws a lot of ideas at you. It's meant to be experienced kind of like life is. It's funny. It's frightening at times. It's sad. It's wonderful. It's meant to kind of take you through every emotion. And, ultimately, I want people to walk away from it with whatever they think.

JG: I think it's hard for a director, especially a director/writer/creator who came up with the content itself, to explain a story like this, and what it's really about. In essence, it's very stream-of-consciousness. The script was that way, and I think, essentially, in the end, I feel the movie is that way.

It leaves you with the feeling of like, you know, sort of… the only thing I can really think of is those moments where you smoke some pot, and you're kind of like, "Wow, that's the answer! I've got it! I've got it, I've got it, I've got it, I've got it got it, it's gone!" I think there's something very valid in that. Because I think, in that moment, in that small moment, is what we try and question and try to answer and try and feel every single day, and we have no answer for it.

And if he were to answer any of the questions, he would be utterly pretentious. And the fact that he leaves them open, at least it states what we all sort of feel.

Are you related to David E. Kelley?

RK: You mean the David E. Kelley of Ally McBeal? No. He's one of the "E-Y" Kelleys, and "Y" Kellys hate the "E-Y" Kelleys. We're on two separate sides, and we meet out in Calabasas and we joust one another.

How did you cast Maggie Gyllenhaal?

RK: Why I cast Maggie is that, when I met Jake… his agent said, "He has an older sister and she's a terrific actress." And I thought, "Well, first of all, I have to meet her. And if she's even remotely okay, I'm going to cast her." Because, to have an opportunity like that, where you're casting the big sister part and you have a real life big sister who can act, it's like… cast her! You're not going to be able to get that chemistry… It's a perfect, great opportunity. Maggie's a phenomenal actress. And it was the easiest no-brainer decision for me. What was it like working with her?

JG: My sister and I have always had the dream that would we would be able to work together. It's fun, and it's also hard. Just in the specific logistics of working together. The scene at the very beginning of the movie where we're talking at the dinner table, which is, now, the one sort of main scene with the two of us, is true to life, in more ways than one.

I also said to Richard after he had decided to cast me that I had a sister and I really think she'd be great. And we were all really into it, and it was Maggie who was sort of skeptical. She was kinda like, "I don't know if I want to be in a movie with my brother. He's playing Donnie Darko. I kind of would rather just let him do his thing." But, she did it. She has a lot of movies coming out. She's an amazing actress. And it was fun. It was fun. It was a lot of fun. A lot like when you smoke pot, you know?

Is what we see on the screen your cut of the movie?

RK: There was a version of this shown at Sundance that was a little bit longer. We barely had time to finish it in time for Sundance. We had never shown it to an audience before. But, ultimately, this is my cut of the film, and I was allowed the time to really get it down to a length where everyone felt comfortable with it and everyone felt that the pacing and everything was tight and we were in the best place.

It's tough, because there's always a few scenes that you really really really hate to see go. And it's really painful. But, ultimately, we all kind of arrived at the place where we thought the movie should be a certain length. This is my cut, and I was allowed to have my way. Ultimately, on the DVD, I'll be able to go back, and put a lot of the scenes that were cut out on the DVD. It'll be a great thing. But, I got away with a lot on my first movie, and they let me do what I wanted, so I have nothing to complain about at all.

JG: I've never actually seen anybody fight so hard to keep the movie as close to his essential vision as Richard kept it. When we finished this movie, in the end of August last year… shooting it, sorry… that's when I finished the movie… and in its many incarnations since then, I've never seen somebody fight so hard.

How close was the final product to your vision?

RK: Really, really close. The script was a little longer, and there were some things that were cut out and stuff. You see a lot of it in your head pretty specifically, but really, until you get to the locations and pick the locations and see the actors in costume and everything, you're always pleasantly surprised if it's better than what you saw in your head. And that ended up being the case here, because I did see it in my head a certain way, but then to see Jake in the role and Jenna Malone and all these great actors, and to see what the bunny finally looked like and to see what the jet engine looked like when it was being pulled out of the house… you get excited and surprised that it maybe even looks even cooler than you thought it would look.

So, absolutely, I designed it all in a very specific way, but, you know, that's the great thing about filmmaking… is that it comes together in a way you could never predict. So many things are just left to happen the way that they happen, kind of like the weather, and the way the wind blows. Your movie just happens sometimes. There's things that you'll never be able to control… the location falling through, another one coming up, or an actor falling out and coming in. I got really lucky this time.

Can you tell us about the scenes you had to cut out?

RK: There was the subplot, you know, the Watership Down subplot with Drew Barrymore. The most painful scene [to take out] was the scene with the dad, when the dad leaves for New York, where they were sitting in the backyard, Donnie and his dad, where you find out a lot about the dad… that he used to be crazy, and he kind of gives this fatherly advice… it kind of has this moral anarchist spirit to it that I really missed. But, hopefully I'll get to put all that stuff on the DVD.

What was it like, as a first-time director, working with big names like Drew Barrymore and Noah Wyle and Patrick Swayze and Katharine Ross?

RK: Actors are people. There were a lot of big names that had been in dozens of movies… and big movie stars, and people who have been nominated for Oscars. And, working with all of these people… I had never done this before, and I just talked to them just the way that I felt I would want to be talked to.

JG: I remember, I was like "Oh, Richard, I think it would be really cool if I dyed my hair dark for the role," and he's like, "Yeah, you know, I really think it's not Donnie Dark-O. I really think you shouldn't." And I was like, "Well, okay. I'll just sort of dye it a little bit. It'll be cool." He's like, "Okay."

So, when I dyed it black, like pitch black, and went to rehearsal, and I called him up on the way there, and I was like, "Uh, Richard, my hair is sort of darker, and, um, I'm sorry." And he's like "How dark?" "Dark-O." And he's like "Okay. Get here, and we'll see how it is." And I get there, and, in natural Richard fashion, without panicking, or like flipping out and calling the hair dresser and opening up the salon like in the middle of the night, he just said, "Okay, cool. We'll fix it. We'll fix it. Okay. Cool." And it was fixed. You know, the next day.

How many theaters will Donnie Darko be opening in?

RK: 65 theaters in eight cities, starting Friday, October 26, and, then, if it does well enough, we'll expand it more after that.
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Post by: Banky on October 21, 2003, 07:25:17 PM
i guess im just still interested in this movie


Donnie Darko Director's Cut Rerelease, Book, Frank the Bunny doll

Donnie Darkobook, figurine, special edition re-release announced atSan Diegoscreening  

Richard Kelly, writer-director of Donnie Darko, attended a special screening in San Diego where he announced an upcoming book and Todd McFarlane figurine based on the 2001 cult classic, as well as a potential theatrical re-release in March of 2004.  

The Q&A session, following a4:00showing on Sunday the 19th at Madstone Theaters onFrazee Road, was arranged by the San Diego Film Critics Society, who awarded Kelly Best Screenplay in 2002 while he was inEurope. The casual crowd filled three-fourths of the theater, an excellent turnout for an otherwise poorly advertised event. As much as 1/4 of the audience had never seen the film.  

Immediately following the credits, Kelly, in jeans and grey T-shirt, made his way to the stool in front - he had intended to present the film, but his car had broken down and he had to borrow another. Following a brief introduction he immediately began taking audience questions.  

* When asked how he marketed the unusual script, Kelly thanked his producing partner Scott McKittrick, who had shopped it to an assistant at a major agency, which led to him being signed with Creative Artists (CAA). Initially only the screenwriter, Kelly got his chance to direct when Jason Schwartzman of Rushmore fame showed interest and became attached to the project. He passed it to Drew Barrymore, who approached Kelly's agent at ShoWest and met with him on the set of Charlie's Angels. He offered her a part; she offered to produce.  

* Kelly compared Darko's cul-de-sac ending to "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge," the Twilight Zone episode based on the Ambrose Bierce short story about a man about to be hanged who, in his final moments, imagines himself surviving and escaping.  

* He sites Steven King, Philip K. Dick, Camus, Kafka, Graham Greene, and Dostoevsky as literary influences. He admitted not having read any of them since high school English and not knowing which way to pronounce Camus.

* Heís a big fan of Kill Bill and Quentin Tarantino, who he met at the premier. Also a fan of Paul Thomas Anderson and Spike Jonze/Charlie Kaufman. Apparently, when Kaufman turned in his draft of Adaptation, everyone inHollywoodwanted to kill him. Kelly tells another story about a screening of Being John Malcovitch: a producer who passed on it walked out claiming sheíd ìdodged a bullet,î and, later, at the Oscars, talked about how it was one of her favorite films of the year.

* The concept of the screenplay began with the jet engine. It was inspired by the urban legend of the block of frozen urine that falls from a plane and strikes a man dead - an idea, Kelly pointed out, that was also used in an episode of Six Feet Under.

* When asked about his struggles filming Donnie Darko and whether he expects his struggles to get worse, Kelly clarified that filmmaking is always a struggle. "There's always 20 bozos who'll screw it up," he complained. "They're not in it for the art at all; to them it's just a business." He discussed his next film, Knowing, which has been caught in legal entanglements; principal photography won't begin until early next year, due in part to the film's $15 million budget. (Darko, which was made for more that a third less, failed to earn back production costs.)

* On the scripts he is writing for other directors in the meantime, Kelly claimed he considers it work-for-hire, though he emphasized the importance of owning and protecting one's material until it is set to go into production. "They can cast Carrot Top," he warned. "You're fucked."

* When asked if he intended the faculty in Darko to be so blatantly incompetent, Kelly reiterated that the characters are supposed to be archetypes, but, yes, Kitty and the principal are "clearly nitwits," while the teachers played by Barrymore and Noah Wyle are the liberal progressive types he admired growing up in Virginia. If Darko has any message, he concedes it would be that public schools and suburban life in general can be so pointlessly damaging that it's no wonder kids are shooting up their schools.

* Most of the throwaway details in the film were written in the script - right down to the "God Is Awesome!" T-Shirt. Kelly admitted admiration for directors like Ridley Scott and Terry Gilliam who emphasize details, and pointed out that technicians appreciate it when you're real specific.

* Patrick Swayze is the nicest man in the world. The infomercial was shot on his ranch; his wife showed them his recording studio and brought out his "80's clothes." Swayze was very enthusiastic about the project: ìHe wanted to take a blowtorch to his image."

* Kelly got to USC on an art scholarship, and changed his major almost immediately. He got into the film department on the strength of his writing samples, and intended to continue as a screenwriter until his peers told him he was most defiantly a director. His dad was a scientist at NASA, and his whole family has a background in architecture and engineering, and after all, ìa director is an architect.î

* The Donnie Darko book - not a novel, more like a production book, like the Matrix coffee table book - is already available inLondonand contains the screenplay, including unproduced scenes. It will be available in theUSshortly.

* When asked, he defended Cherita, the plump Chinese girl, by comparing her to the Mike Yanagita character inFargo. All he does it hit on Marge and lie about his marriage - the studio should have cut the scene, Kelly claims. But when Marge discovers that he lied, it makes her wonder if sheís easily lied to - prompting her to question Jerry Lundegaard a second time. Yanagita was secretly crucial. Kelly failed to explain why putting on Cheritaís earmuffs was an important stage in the development of Donnieís character, but claimed it was anyhow.

As he got up to leave, the SDFCS representative reminded him of his special announcement: he is in negotiations with Newmarket Film Group to re-release Donnie Darko next March, including more pop music removed since it was shown at Sundance, and, more importantly - it will be a Directorís Cut. He claimed it may include stuff not available on the DVD. He did not specify how wide it will be distributed.

The SDFCS rep also reminded him to tell us that McFarlane Toys is working on a Frank the Bunny doll.

Kelly, though appearing tired, was willing to sign DVD covers and chatted with fans as they left the theater.

Madstone will continue showing Donnie Darko until the 23rd.

Jeff Fries
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Post by: Banky on October 21, 2003, 07:30:42 PM
if they did a wide realease of the directors cut that shit would make some serious bank.  Easily recouping produciotn value.  The movie has such a fanbase now it could easily pull in over 30 mill.
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 21, 2003, 07:41:08 PM
30 million?  Not a chance in hell.  Depending on how wide they would open it, I would say a couple mil tops.  And if they do the whole NY/LA thing first, consider it dead.  Between worldwide and video, they've already broke even, this is just icing on the cake.
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Post by: Banky on October 21, 2003, 07:43:20 PM
bullshit.  Consider Marketing this movie with all the reiviews and the fact that is one of the biggest cult classics in recent history, open on a weekend where nothing huge is opening, and easily over 10 the opening weekend.  Im not saying it will be a blockbuster but it sould pan out to make 30 over time.
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 21, 2003, 08:01:07 PM
I love Donnie Darko, but there's no way it can pull in Exorcist money.  That's just common sense talking here.  Be realistic: how much money do you think Newmarket is going to throw at this?  I would love it if the re-release did gangbusters, but 'new' movies with 'bankable' stars have a hard enough time making 30 million.  And that's with major campaigns and press.
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Post by: Banky on October 21, 2003, 08:03:41 PM
even really shitty moveis make 30 over a period of time not opening weekend.  I really think with the right marketing people would go see it.   Word of mouth would be amazing from the people who have already seen it.
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Post by: modage on October 21, 2003, 09:08:41 PM
http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=4&start=30
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Post by: Finn on March 08, 2004, 04:16:51 PM
What's all this about a director's cut of Donnie Darko coming to the theaters?
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Post by: MacGuffin on March 08, 2004, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Quoyle
What's all this about a director's cut of Donnie Darko coming to the theaters?


Quote from: themodernage02
http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=4&start=30


See Page 4 of the above thread also; Banky's post.
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Post by: Banky on March 10, 2004, 12:50:23 PM
man this is such a good movie to revisit after a few months and it really holds up
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Post by: cowboykurtis on March 10, 2004, 05:16:34 PM
eternal damnation to all the gay boys and girls that populate OUR america. america is a place where i should be able to eat at mcdonalds with out worrying that some gay person is going to touch my patty.
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Post by: MacGuffin on May 07, 2004, 08:57:37 PM
http://www.richard-kelly.net/news/2004/dc-poster.html
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Post by: El Duderino on May 07, 2004, 09:01:18 PM
i hope they have one of frank with "why are you wearing that stupid rabbit suit?"
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Post by: cowboykurtis on February 11, 2005, 10:31:35 PM
how much did the re-release end up making? anyone?
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Post by: ono on February 11, 2005, 10:35:37 PM
A better thread:
http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=6314

But this should give you your answer:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0246578/business
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Post by: Kal on March 05, 2005, 04:47:06 PM
The Directors Cut is selling very well... and they have it priced everywhere between 19.99 and 24.99... they will end up with some small margins on the overall thing...

For Richard Kelly I guess it was enough... he is now selling his scripts and making a new movie... not bad at all
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 26, 2013, 06:32:29 PM
Some random thread necromancy here for anyone interested. I just ran across this explanation of Donnie Darko and it seems crystal clear:

http://www.donniedarko.org.uk/explanation/
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Post by: Reelist on November 26, 2013, 07:20:51 PM
Thank you, JB. and High 5 on having the same respect count!
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Post by: Pubrick on November 27, 2013, 01:59:18 AM
Damn it now I have to upvote you both just to keep it even.