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Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 03, 2003, 04:06:39 PM
Avril Lavigne's "Losing Grip"... She may not be a lyrical genius, but it's a great song. Just listen to the live version from iTunes.

Some of Alanis Morisette's recent stuff.

Paul Revere & the Raiders, "Indian Reservation"... a classic.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on November 03, 2003, 04:40:45 PM
By definition, pop music is over rated!
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Pas on November 03, 2003, 04:48:04 PM
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNick
By definition, pop music is over rated!


What kind of dictionnary do you have ?!
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 03, 2003, 06:31:51 PM
I basically mean pop music that is underrated by us.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Sleuth on November 03, 2003, 07:39:45 PM
I like Beyonce and her music is all right too
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Ghostboy on November 03, 2003, 08:03:48 PM
I think Justin Timberlake's 'Cry Me A River' is incredible.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 03, 2003, 08:06:55 PM
I second Ghostboy's pick and add Timberlake's "Rock Your Body" as an even better song. Honestly, its prolly one of the best produced dance songs I've ever heard.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Pedro on November 03, 2003, 08:23:17 PM
i agree....timberlake is fucking awesome
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Sleuth on November 03, 2003, 08:24:18 PM
Quote from: Pedro the Wombat
i agree....timberlake is fucking awesome


I have heard a few of the singles, but I don't get it
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: freakerdude on November 03, 2003, 09:44:07 PM
Fiona Apple and Bjork.....but Bjork is not mainsteam pop candy.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: godardian on November 03, 2003, 10:33:26 PM
Quote from: freakerdude
Fiona Apple and Bjork.....but Bjork is not really pop.


As anyone who's read my pointed views on pop music will know, I radically and vehemently disagree with this limited, conventional-wisdom, dull definition of pop music. Bjork is pop; Radiohead is pop. Anything else is arrogant, petty hair-splitting. Anything else declares a serious lack of perspective on music, pop or otherwise. The only definition of pop music that really works is expansive and universal: Anything, on any scale, intended to be mass-replicated/produced/broadcast for public consumption, is pop music. Any other definition means nothing to me, and anyone can see that those other (usually quite short-sighted, self-aggrandizing) definitions have pretty well destroyed the literally popular portion of pop music, let alone any hope of quality in it.

I think "girl groups," from Lesley Gore and the Shangri-La's through to the Go-Go's, are entirely underrated by the culture at large. Particularly the original styles and sounds put together in the early '60s; these, the Motown girl-groups, the Spector groups, and everything else, were absolutely every bit as important as The Velvet Underground or the Stones or the Beatles or The Beach Boys, but even though they are occasionally acknowledged, they never get the acknowledgment they actually deserve.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Kal on November 03, 2003, 10:38:06 PM
I didnt like much pop music before, but since I started working with music, mainly producting pop artists, I learned to understand and like it... and sometimes even love something...

I think Britney Spears is still nothing compared to what will be... she's coming with a brand new CD that will be incredible...

I usually get all the CDs for free at work.. now I even get them from the iTunes Music Store so I listen with my iPod on my trips... latest ones I've been hearing are Beyonce, Jason Mraz, Dido, Mandy Moore and Sean Paul... all of them have a few songs worth listening to
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Kal on November 03, 2003, 10:39:31 PM
by the way... when the #1 show on TV is about pop music (american idol)... how can we say is underrated?

I think pop music is in the right place... rap and hip hop are getting to be overrated... and i tell you i like some of that... but now we have a lot of crap
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: godardian on November 04, 2003, 08:02:10 AM
Quote from: mogwai
i was going to reply but since the thread contains the name "timberlake" in four posts, i'm not going to.


 :lol:
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Newtron on November 04, 2003, 08:26:21 AM
Quote from: mogwai
i was going to reply but since the thread contains the name "timberlake" in four posts, i'm not going to.

His album is the perfect example for this thread.

+ "Beautiful" by Christina Aguilera. Can't think of others right now but there's lots of good chart songs that are dismissed.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: phil marlowe on November 04, 2003, 09:20:19 AM
Quote from: Newtron
His album is the perfect example for this thread.

+ "Beautiful" by Christina Aguilera. Can't think of others right now but there's lots of good chart songs that are dismissed.

true, both points. destenys child as well as other christina songs an even j-lo did good songs once.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 04, 2003, 09:35:58 AM
Quote from: godardian
The only definition of pop music that really works is expansive and universal: Anything, on any scale, intended to be mass-replicated/produced/broadcast for public consumption, is pop music.


But... doesn't does that definition render the term "pop music" useless, at least for our purposes? What is not pop music?
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: godardian on November 04, 2003, 10:33:02 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: godardian
The only definition of pop music that really works is expansive and universal: Anything, on any scale, intended to be mass-replicated/produced/broadcast for public consumption, is pop music.


But... doesn't does that definition render the term "pop music" useless, at least for our purposes? What is not pop music?


Not pop music would maybe be anything "classical," particularly when performed rather then recorded. Still, that line is also very blurry. Even composers had (and have) personalities and recognizable sounds and followings, all marks of the cult of personality that really drives pop music.

I thought we were talking about underrated artists/sounds from across the broad spectrum of pop, not pop as a supposedly underrated artificial/false genre.

Here's an example of my huge problem with the music press and public's mindless obsession with genre-fying and sub-genre-fying music, apparently as a result of either lack of perspective or willful amnesia: If we narrow our definition of "pop" music down to "top 40" or "literally popular" or "more well-known," then the leaden, horrendous sounds of Nickelback are actually more "pop" than Bjork, which I find insupportable.

The division of things into little genres is, I think, either a cynically demographic-based, corporate-conceived way of keeping things predictable and in their proper places, or an obnoxious hipster party game for those who think their knowledge of some of pop-music history's extensive and labyrynthine history puts them above those whose access is more limited. Either way, the distinctions fall apart so easily as to render them useless. Putting as much as possible under the umbrella term "pop" music is the least exclusive, most accurate terminology, in my opinion.

I mean, these silly terms- "alt-rock," "alt-country," "electroclash" (for FUCK's sake!)- are pointless. They tell me nothing. They're lazy, lazy shorthand, simplistic branding for people who don't have time to think. I know it's all pop music, constantly shifting shapes and overlapping its different influences and audiences; other distinctions require more than lazy "alternative vs. pop" pigeonholing to be descriptive in a way that's worth anything to me.

I guess there are a million different styles in pop music, but it all goes through the same channels. I just get very tired of the simplemindedness of our rotten music biz, the dessicated music press, and that grotesque behemoth, MTV. They're the ones who benefit most from having us say, "Bjork's not pop- she's 'alternative'." I refuse to use the word "alternative." That's a business-world word, and I'm not part of the business world; I listen to and love pop music for purely personal reasons.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: freakerdude on November 04, 2003, 10:38:42 AM
Pop is obviously directed to a specific market of young customers, and therefore, radio play on pop stations. Anyone can make claims of what pop really is or isn't but the same goes for films today......so many break out of the genre scheme that they cannot be labeled. Pink Floyd is one band that cannot seem to be labeled, IMO.

Corporate, mass produced, sugar coated music (sang by a sexy lip sync'er) made to SELL to a target audience of 16 and under is what I call pop. Sure, the target audienece is much wider but they specifically target teenagers. Most of your pop idols are corporate products rather than creative artists. If they can't do it live and w/o lip sync'ing, they are pretty much products of the studio's magic and are talentless on their own.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: godardian on November 04, 2003, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: freakerdude


Corporate, mass produced, sugar coated music (sang by a sexy lip sync'er) made to SELL to a target audience of 16 and under is what I call pop.


Isn't that distinction completely arbitrary, though? How long has pop music existed? Since New Kids on the Block?

Weren't blues 78s their era's version of pop? Noel Coward? Kurt Weill? Were they "sugar-coated" or sung by sexy lip-syncers?

See what I mean about this kind of distinction coming from lack of perspective?
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Newtron on November 04, 2003, 10:58:24 AM
Note to self: Never try.

Thanks Phil for trying with me.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: phil marlowe on November 04, 2003, 11:00:02 AM
you can't call something pop only cos it was made to sell, i don't believe that's the definition. pop was something that started out in the early sixties were the teen idol hype thing was beginning to happen and it was made to sell but it's more the structure of the melody and form that's is pop music.

it's a style that was made to be catchy but not all catchy things is pop music.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: godardian on November 04, 2003, 11:01:50 AM
Quote from: phil marlowe
you can't call something pop only cos it was made to sell, i don't believe that's the definition. pop was something that started out in the early sixties were the teen idol hype thing was beginning to happen and it was made to sell but it's more the structure of the melody and form that's is pop music.

it's a style that was made to be catchy but not all catchy things is pop music.


This is, I think, a much better, looser, less rigid approach to what pop music is/isn't than our culture (the dominant parts, anyway) gives us.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on November 04, 2003, 11:02:45 AM
You want a quick and dirty definition of "pop music"?  Just turn on your radio and tune to a channel owned by Viacom or Clear Channel... the music on there is pop...

Music has really gone downhill as of late... everything mainstream sucks... i've almost completely rejected anything mainstream that has come out in the last 3 years or so... I hate it... I hate it all!
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: godardian on November 04, 2003, 11:08:17 AM
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNick
You want a quick and dirty definition of "pop music"?  Just turn on your radio and tune to a channel owned by Viacom or Clear Channel... the music on there is pop...

Music has really gone downhill as of late... everything mainstream sucks... i've almost completely rejected anything mainstream that has come out in the last 3 years or so... I hate it... I hate it all!


I share your disgust at media monopolization, but I balk at surrending the very valuable term "pop music" to them.

Let's not forget that MTV- which provides most newcomers to pop music with their exposure to whatever it wishes- is also part of Viacom (I think). I hate MTV more than I hate the radio, and that's saying something. I sometimes like what they play on M2, but I'd gladly part with M2 if they'd shut MTV down.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 04, 2003, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: godardian
I share your disgust at media monopolization, but I balk at surrending the very valuable term "pop music" to them.


You may be holding onto an obsolete definition. "Pop music" pretty much means "top 40 and everything that sounds like it"... Maybe that's not what it should mean, but it's what it does mean (the consensus). It may be a tragedy, but many definition changes are tragic.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: godardian on November 04, 2003, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: godardian
I share your disgust at media monopolization, but I balk at surrending the very valuable term "pop music" to them.


You may be holding onto an obsolete definition. "Pop music" pretty much means "top 40 and everything that sounds like it"... Maybe that's not what it should mean, but it's what it does mean (the consensus). It may be a tragedy, but many definition changes are tragic.


I still find, though, that the term applies to what I like. I mean, how can I not call The Smiths, Suede, girl-group pop from the 60s, The Kinks, etc, "pop music." That's just what it's called! What should I call it? Do I really have to break it down into different things, when all those disparate-sounding groups do the same thing for me, just in different ways?

I guess I don't mind being obsolete, if that's what it comes to. As you know very well, JB, the consensus isn't nearly always right!  :twisted:
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 04, 2003, 02:27:46 PM
Quote from: godardian
I guess I don't mind being obsolete, if that's what it comes to. As you know very well, JB, the consensus isn't nearly always right!  :twisted:


From what I know of language, if people are wrong on a large enough scale, they become right. That's really the only way spellings, pronounciations, and definitions change. It's kind of bleak, really.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Sigur Rós on November 04, 2003, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: Pedro the Wombat
i agree....timberlake is fucking awesome


The artist 'timberlake' is awesome

....the person 'timberlake' is kind of queer
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: RegularKarate on November 04, 2003, 03:08:46 PM
I don't see why someone would want to have POP music mean just "music"


Christ... when I want to eat spaghetti, I say "let's have itallian food tonight"... it gives the people I'm talking to an idea of what I want.

I don't say "Let's have Chinese food", then when someone says "No, I want a cheeseburger" I go "Yeah... well that's really Chinese food"
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on November 04, 2003, 03:43:12 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
I don't say "Let's have Chinese food", then when someone says "No, I want a cheeseburger" I go "Yeah... well that's really Chinese food"


Huh?   :roll:  :?:
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 04, 2003, 03:44:30 PM
Because they have cheeseburgers in China?
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: phil marlowe on November 04, 2003, 03:56:44 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Because they have cheeseburgers in China?

no, because chines food is just food, exactly like a cheeseburger.

i agree with rk.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on November 04, 2003, 04:06:36 PM
Quote from: phil marlowe
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Because they have cheeseburgers in China?
no, because chines food is just food, exactly like a cheeseburger.


Don't let Mr. Burgerking hear you say that...
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: godardian on November 04, 2003, 04:28:43 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: godardian
I guess I don't mind being obsolete, if that's what it comes to. As you know very well, JB, the consensus isn't nearly always right!  :twisted:


From what I know of language, if people are wrong on a large enough scale, they become right. That's really the only way spellings, pronounciations, and definitions change. It's kind of bleak, really.


That's true in a way, but I think there are enough of us (particularly in the UK where, as usual, they know their pop better than we do here) that there's no need to give up the ghost yet on the pop-music issue. I mean, if my choice comes down to throwing in the towel and participating in something I find atrocious just to avoid confusing people on one hand and on the other fighting the good fight and continuing to call things as I see them, whaddya think I'm gonna do?  8)

You're absolutely right, though, that it is bleak: This monolithic, grinding, completely duplicitious semiotic machine we call "language" really bends us to its will, even though we feel it should be the other way around. However, sometimes it's both important and liberating to try to throw whatever wrench you can into it. Oh, you can never destroy it- we depend on it for vital communication, we can't really think without words- but sometimes you can keep it from going all the way down a bad path.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: modage on November 04, 2003, 05:24:59 PM
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(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000IFW1.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
(http://www.all-reviews.com/images/music/fountainsofwayne.jpg)
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: godardian on November 04, 2003, 05:31:06 PM
Quote from: Sigur


....the person 'timberlake' is kind of queer


Unfortunately, I know way too many people who wish that were literally true.

Wishing Justin Timberlake was available for the boys = way OVERrated. I mean, come on; we already have George Michael around our necks.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Find Your Magali on November 04, 2003, 11:48:47 PM
The perfect pop confection you've probably never heard.

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000I0RA.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Sigur Rós on November 05, 2003, 05:03:10 AM
Quote from: godardian
Wishing Justin Timberlake was available for the boys = way OVERrated. I mean, come on; we already have George Michael around our necks.


True, true.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: classical gas on November 05, 2003, 05:51:14 AM
I feel pop is two aspects of music now.  It's pop as in popular and pop as in bubblegum.  i'm sure this has already been said and discussed.  but really, if you get with the times, pop has become the bubblegum crap that we're forced to hear.  the times they are a'changin.  now anything that isn't pop is alternative.  i don't care to keep up.  why put labels on anything?  it's all very tasteless.  i prefer to acknowledge music as it is.  and saying that, justin timberlake sucks ass.   i'm sorry, i don't care if it's cool or uncool to like him, he sucks either way.  i likes what i likes.  i don't need any label on it.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: NEON MERCURY on November 05, 2003, 10:51:29 AM
::thunder rattles, Earth shakes, tribal drums beating::
behold...the Godfather of under-rated pop music.....
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.on a relaTed note.."Isn't it ironic that they were the originaters of the modern boy/pop band..but yet they are THE NEW kids on the block.."
... :turn-l:
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Find Your Magali on November 05, 2003, 11:07:45 AM
Hey, it's the guy from "Band of Brothers"! ... Omigod, omigod, omigod!!!!
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: pinkerton310 on November 05, 2003, 05:24:18 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00009QGF2.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
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(http://www.all-reviews.com/images/music/fountainsofwayne.jpg)



Fountains of Wayne have been confirmed to appear on the Sharon Osbourne Show. Taping is set for Nov. 10 ... airdate Nov. 12.

Can you dig the FOW?
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Vile5 on November 05, 2003, 07:41:54 PM
i always thought George Michael was underrated, ok when he started he was almost pathetic but then he really matured as artist, now i think he could give some classes of good music to Robbie Williams or Timberlake , Michael is awesome! his album Older is a perfect example of what i say, he mix Jazz, Rhythm & Blues and BossaNova in his music, and the result are beautiful "pop" songs...

But talking about pop, do you remember 80's??
what about:
Naked Eyes,
Genesis,
Duran Duran,
Tears for Fears,
Pet Shop Boys,
INXS
Human League
Simple Minds (are they pop?)
Eurythmics
Pet Shop Boys
even Erasure!

i like 80's pop very much, maybe because these bands make me remind my childhood, i don't know, but i really like them
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Kev Hoffman on November 05, 2003, 09:24:57 PM
Why must pop music be redefined if it is discussed?  We all, obviously, interpret pop music as something different.  JB's intent was obviously to take your interpretation of everything "pop" and come up with some musicians/bands/songs that you think are underrated in the public eye.  Fact is, there is no true definition of pop...it's style can be many.  Just my opinion.

Ready, set, discuss...
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: freakerdude on November 05, 2003, 09:46:07 PM
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: freakerdude


Corporate, mass produced, sugar coated music (sang by a sexy lip sync'er) made to SELL to a target audience of 16 and under is what I call pop.


Isn't that distinction completely arbitrary, though? How long has pop music existed? Since New Kids on the Block?

Weren't blues 78s their era's version of pop? Noel Coward? Kurt Weill? Were they "sugar-coated" or sung by sexy lip-syncers?

See what I mean about this kind of distinction coming from lack of perspective?

Since I am 40 yo, I remember pop as a kid being Elton John, CCR, The Who, Mamas & Papas, Kinks, Beetles, Stones, etc. I agree but there is a definite distinction between today's pop stars and the days of The Beetles, Beach Boys, Frankie Valli. It's all relative to one's own perspective, just like you said.

Kev's right, I don't see a need to try and define it even though I was guilty of it.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: mogwai on January 14, 2004, 02:18:27 PM
ah, my prayers has finally been answered:

Timberlake Punched in the Face

Pop star Justin Timberlake was punched in the face by a fan as he walked into his end-of-tour party in London on Sunday. The hunky American singer was reportedly hit as he entered the Rex Club in Soho following the last date in his British tour, so he refused to come out and meet his many female fans waiting outside the venue for fear he would again be assaulted. A source says, "All the girls were outside waiting for him and someone went to ask his people if he was coming out to sign autographs. One of his minders came out and said that Justin wouldn't be coming out. He said someone had hit him in the face as he went inside. Apparently he got a real crack as he walked in the place and he was worried he might get attacked again." Inside the venue Justin told reporters, "It is just crazy over here in Britain, I f***ing hate coming over here."
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: godardian on January 14, 2004, 02:22:01 PM
Quote from: mogwai
ah, my prayers has finally been answered:

Timberlake Punched in the Face

Pop star Justin Timberlake was punched in the face by a fan as he walked into his end-of-tour party in London on Sunday. The hunky American singer was reportedly hit as he entered the Rex Club in Soho following the last date in his British tour, so he refused to come out and meet his many female fans waiting outside the venue for fear he would again be assaulted. A source says, "All the girls were outside waiting for him and someone went to ask his people if he was coming out to sign autographs. One of his minders came out and said that Justin wouldn't be coming out. He said someone had hit him in the face as he went inside. Apparently he got a real crack as he walked in the place and he was worried he might get attacked again." Inside the venue Justin told reporters, "It is just crazy over here in Britain, I f***ing hate coming over here."


It was you, wasn't it? Wasn't it??
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: SoNowThen on January 14, 2004, 02:23:08 PM
Quote from: mogwai
ah, my prayers has finally been answered:

Timberlake Punched in the Face

Pop star Justin Timberlake was punched in the face by a fan as he walked into his end-of-tour party in London on Sunday. The hunky American singer was reportedly hit as he entered the Rex Club in Soho following the last date in his British tour, so he refused to come out and meet his many female fans waiting outside the venue for fear he would again be assaulted. A source says, "All the girls were outside waiting for him and someone went to ask his people if he was coming out to sign autographs. One of his minders came out and said that Justin wouldn't be coming out. He said someone had hit him in the face as he went inside. Apparently he got a real crack as he walked in the place and he was worried he might get attacked again." Inside the venue Justin told reporters, "It is just crazy over here in Britain, I f***ing hate coming over here."


hahahahahahahahaha
I love it
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: cron on January 14, 2004, 02:23:24 PM
i actually like they guy .  i wouldn't buy records but he's ok.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: mogwai on January 14, 2004, 02:26:06 PM
Quote from: godardian
It was you, wasn't it? Wasn't it??

okay... yes, it was me. but don't tell anyone.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Slick Shoes on January 14, 2004, 06:31:40 PM
I have been socked in the face by a complete stranger before.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 14, 2004, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: Justin Timberlake
It is just crazy over here in Britain, I f***ing hate coming over here.

Isn't that what Michael Moore said?
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Ravi on January 14, 2004, 08:14:50 PM
Quote from: mogwai
ah, my prayers has finally been answered:

Timberlake Punched in the Face

Pop star Justin Timberlake was punched in the face by a fan as he walked into his end-of-tour party in London on Sunday. The hunky American singer was reportedly hit as he entered the Rex Club in Soho following the last date in his British tour, so he refused to come out and meet his many female fans waiting outside the venue for fear he would again be assaulted. A source says, "All the girls were outside waiting for him and someone went to ask his people if he was coming out to sign autographs. One of his minders came out and said that Justin wouldn't be coming out. He said someone had hit him in the face as he went inside. Apparently he got a real crack as he walked in the place and he was worried he might get attacked again." Inside the venue Justin told reporters, "It is just crazy over here in Britain, I f***ing hate coming over here."


Anyone have a video of this?
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Pubrick on January 14, 2004, 09:22:13 PM
Quote from: mogwai
Timberlake Punched in the Face

Pop star Justin Timberlake was punched in the face by a fan

that was the funniest part.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: NEON MERCURY on January 14, 2004, 09:34:37 PM
Quote from: mogwai


Timberlake Punched in the Face



...... :cry:  me a river....OOOOh baby !!!
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: pookiethecat on January 15, 2004, 01:47:59 PM
i think the point of this thread was to voice our opinions on people like justin timberlake, aguilera...to show that there IS some intelligence in the product that is massively appealing and corporate-dominated.  sort of like asking "what's your favorite big budget blockbuster..."  ...despite that it's so smugly popular that most instinctively hate it, there may be some artistry to it...i think it's important to discern that just as not all indie music is good, all 'pop' (in the new sense) music is not bad.  

to get this topic back on track, i'd say sheryl crow, ace of base, soul decision (faded is a masterpiece) 80's madonna, 'dreams' by Gabrielle, TLC...as for current pop, Outkast takes the cake.  their stuff is infectious...and I love Christina Aguilera's Beautiful album.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Gloria on January 15, 2004, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: pookiethecat
and I love Christina Aguilera's Beautiful album.


I'm also guilty of this. I really can't get enough of the song 'I'm Okay.' Really powerful vocals and lyrics.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: SoNowThen on January 15, 2004, 01:58:29 PM
I'll second Sheryl Crow.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 15, 2004, 02:03:42 PM
I hate Sheryl Crowe with every bone in my body. I can't exactly explain it.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: pookiethecat on January 15, 2004, 02:17:13 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
I hate Sheryl Crowe with every bone in my body. I can't exactly explain it.


try.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: mogwai on January 15, 2004, 02:18:22 PM
i'm with jerry here, i like her early stuff but then she went all lenny kravitz on us and now she totally blows shite.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Raikus on January 15, 2004, 02:18:50 PM
I loved 'Tuesday Night Music Club' but after that she started going downhill. Now she's either too popish or too country.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Gloria on January 15, 2004, 02:20:08 PM
I like her new song 'First cut is the deepest.'  I really liked her when she made The Globe Sessions.  She's been hit and miss.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: SoNowThen on January 15, 2004, 02:28:16 PM
Yeah, she did peak with Globe Sessions. The live album was nice, but hurt from too many guest stars. The new album could have been good, but again, guest stars just cheapen the whole affair.

I think Riverwide is her best song. Though, I Shall Believe is pretty damn good, too.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: pookiethecat on January 15, 2004, 02:33:06 PM
"can't cry anymore" is her absolute best.   i encourage anyone and everyone to download that song.

the thing about sheryl is that her image fucking sucks.  she's packaged as this completely glammed up soulless lite rock goddess(prolly why jeremy blackman hates her).  but her music is just so infectious and good.  
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: cron on January 15, 2004, 02:39:02 PM
Quote from: Gloria
I like her new song 'First cut is the deepest.'  I really liked her when she made The Globe Sessions.  She's been hit and miss.



you mean Cat Stevens'  "First cut is the deepest"?
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Gloria on January 15, 2004, 02:40:21 PM
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Quote from: Gloria
I like her new song 'First cut is the deepest.'  I really liked her when she made The Globe Sessions.  She's been hit and miss.


you mean Cat Stevens'  "First cut is the deepest"?


Yeah...its a remake...but she did a good remake of it.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: SoNowThen on January 15, 2004, 02:42:59 PM
So did Rod Stewart. Another guilty pleasure of mine.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: cron on January 15, 2004, 02:45:27 PM
Quote from: Gloria
Quote from: chuckhimselfo
Quote from: Gloria
I like her new song 'First cut is the deepest.'  I really liked her when she made The Globe Sessions.  She's been hit and miss.


you mean Cat Stevens'  "First cut is the deepest"?


Yeah...its a remake...but she did a good remake of it.


 I wouldn't dare to hear it , not only is Cat Stevens sacred to me, but i don't have a P2P program to get the song    :(

changing the subject, you know who i consider a genuine pop band?  The Flaming Lips.   kudos to those crazy, crazy fellas.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Pwaybloe on January 15, 2004, 04:38:17 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
So did Rod Stewart. Another guilty pleasure of mine.


I was riding in my wife's car, and we were listening to her pop radio station, and this song came on.  The DJ introduced it as, "...this is Cheryl Crow with Rod Stewart's 'The First Cut is the Deepest.'  True story.

And then, all of a sudden, our car ran off the side of a 2000 ft. cliff and exploded in mid-air.  That was a lie.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: SoNowThen on January 15, 2004, 04:43:32 PM
Ah, that reminds me of the time I came to high school listening to Kashmir, and someone said "I love that Puff Daddy song".

 :roll: People...
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Myxo on January 15, 2004, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: Ghostboy
I think Justin Timberlake's 'Cry Me A River' is incredible.


:yabbse-lipsrsealed:
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: phil marlowe on January 16, 2004, 08:01:42 AM
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Quote from: Ghostboy
I think Justin Timberlake's 'Cry Me A River' is incredible.


:yabbse-lipsrsealed:


wow halo, why are your lips sealed? what are you trying to say?

whatever, cry me a river is pure magic. all you hipsters go back and sob to your belle and sebatian records.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: mogwai on January 16, 2004, 08:08:07 AM
Quote from: phil marlowe
whatever, cry me a river is pure magic. all you hipsters go back and sob to your belle and sebatian records.

ha, that's such a easy choice for me.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: phil marlowe on January 16, 2004, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: mogwai
Quote from: phil marlowe
whatever, cry me a river is pure magic. all you hipsters go back and sob to your belle and sebatian records.

ha, that's such a easy choice for me.

boo!!!
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Pubrick on January 16, 2004, 10:49:46 AM
cry me a river = best pop song by a white man last year.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Myxo on January 21, 2004, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: P
cry me a river = best pop song by a white man last year.


That may be but,

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000AQS8A.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) > Justin Timberlake.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: NEON MERCURY on January 21, 2004, 09:49:53 PM
..matthew mcconnel-??......could  be cast as bolton if lifetime network decided to make a tv movie about his like and times of a baller....
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Sleuth on February 13, 2004, 12:32:22 AM
I like that Britney Spears song "Toxic" :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  8)
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: pete on February 13, 2004, 12:35:31 AM
I enjoyed fastball a lot.  they were pretty catchy and the lead singer had the elvis costello soundalike thing going for them.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: meatwad on February 13, 2004, 12:37:06 AM
has anybody seen this video? My friend told me to check it out, but i have been lazy. Is it really much different then her other videos?
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Sleuth on February 13, 2004, 12:39:22 AM
Quote from: meatwad
has anybody seen this video? My friend told me to check it out, but i have been lazy. Is it really much different then her other videos?


Yeah, I was watching MTV for some reason right now and that's where I heard/saw it.  The video is pretty fucking stupid.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Pubrick on February 13, 2004, 01:17:21 AM
the video is only good for the split second we see her ass pushing the trolley at the beginning.

after that u can turn it off.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Pedro on February 14, 2004, 01:01:03 PM
can't believe i didn't mention this earlier

dexter freebish...they had one mild VH1y hit with "leaving down", but they wrote some of the coolest pop-rock to come out of a studio in a while.  i really dig them, but i haven't heard the new album, so i cant comment on that.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: MacGuffin on February 15, 2004, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: Sloyj
Quote from: meatwad
has anybody seen this video? My friend told me to check it out, but i have been lazy. Is it really much different then her other videos?


Yeah, I was watching MTV for some reason right now and that's where I heard/saw it.  The video is pretty fucking stupid.


What do expect when it's directed by the worst video director of all time (Joseph Kahn)? It's Britney wishing she was "Alias".
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Weird. Oh on February 27, 2004, 05:01:41 AM
I think that people's perception of what pop is, can be very distorted at times. Pop done right can be great. In the 50's  with the advent of pop culture booming because of new mediums helped define what is pop music.
    Each decade had changing defintion of what pop music was and in retrospect it changes. For instance, The Beatles in the 60's were not pop music at all. Popular music at that time did not emphasize guitar and rhythym like the Beatles did . You did have your Chuck berry's and Buddy Holly (a little before the 60's) utilizing the style the Beatles adopted but by no means was it Pop music at that time. Now in retrospect the Beatles seem pop by today's standard because their sound has become integrated in Popular music.
     Now by those standards I think pop music and popular music are two completely diffferent entities. Pop music is easily accessible because of stable melody and rhythym.
     I personally think most popular "music" of today really sucks. I hate Hip-hop and rap and see it as another mediocre fad. Pop "punk" bands and crap like that have diluted music immensely. There are good popular bands out there like Radiohead but they aren't really that popular in the scheme of things.
     I like a lot of ___-pop bands. indie, alt and pop rock. Bands like Grandaddy, Apples in Stereo, Fountains Of Wayne, Fastball, Collective Soul and so on. A lot of great pop of old like hall and oates, elton john, billy joel, Beach Boys any motown stuff. I
     I don't limit myself to that though. I like anything ranging from Zep to Nirvana to the Beatles to indie bands. I think to really get a grasp and love for music you have to explore a wide variety of it.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: phil marlowe on February 27, 2004, 10:01:17 AM
^ good post there...exept the dismissing of the entire rap genre that was stupid

alot of pop music today is in fact building on a variety of old jazz standards. WOW HUH? POP MUSIC IS SO COOL NOW
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Pas on February 27, 2004, 02:01:22 PM
People really like Stacey's Mom ? I tought it was the kind of song that execs are just pushing really really hard. It seems like a lame pop song to me.

I like the new pop like Jet and stuff...The Hives and so on.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: modage on February 27, 2004, 02:06:39 PM
Quote from: Pas Rapport
People really like Stacey's Mom ? I tought it was the kind of song that execs are just pushing really really hard. It seems like a lame pop song to me.

fountains of wayne are great, see more here...
http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=2041

stacys mom is a song that got way huge, but isnt really representative of the whole band.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Weird. Oh on February 28, 2004, 03:38:34 AM
Quote from: phil marlowe
^ good post there...exept the dismissing of the entire rap genre that was stupid

alot of pop music today is in fact building on a variety of old jazz standards. WOW HUH? POP MUSIC IS SO COOL NOW


Well I didn't mean to dismiss it in general as an art form. I just can't get into it musically. I need music with dynamics and differentiating rhythym. I feel rap/ hip-hop becomes monotonous after a while. That's just a personal opinion didn't mean to upset anyone   :lol:

Quote from: themodernage02
Quote from: Pas Rapport
People really like Stacey's Mom ? I tought it was the kind of song that execs are just pushing really really hard. It seems like a lame pop song to me.

fountains of wayne are great, see more here...
http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=2041

stacys mom is a song that got way huge, but isnt really representative of the whole band.


One example of their brillance which most are unaware of is in That Thing You Do. Adam Schlessinger (guitarist?) wrote That Thing You Do and 2 other songs in the film. I think some people dismiss them as Yuppy Rock perhaps. but I think they're just a good ole power pop band. I've got a flair is one of my faves.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: phil marlowe on February 28, 2004, 03:49:40 AM
Quote from: Weirdo1769movieMike
Well I didn't mean to dismiss it in general as an art form. I just can't get into it musically. I need music with dynamics and differentiating rhythym. I feel rap/ hip-hop becomes monotonous after a while. That's just a personal opinion didn't mean to upset anyone   :lol:

yeah okay, i guess i just misread you, i thought it was a completely objective comment. i'm so upset
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Pas on February 28, 2004, 07:13:33 AM
Ah ! I guess I'll have to check out some other Fountains of Wayne stuff...with Stacey's Mom I tought this was some kind of Simple Plan stuck in 1996
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: modage on February 28, 2004, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: Pas Rapport
Ah ! I guess I'll have to check out some other Fountains of Wayne stuff...with Stacey's Mom I tought this was some kind of Simple Plan stuck in 1996

yeah i would've thought the same thing if i had heard that song first.  like, what the fuck is this gimmicky crap?  but i've been listening to them for like 7 years and their albums are really good actually.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 28, 2004, 11:35:40 AM
Avril Lavigne - "Together" and "Forgotten"

Okay, may not be lyrically solid yet, but these are really good songs. Trust me. And I still swear that "Losing Grip" is a good song.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Sleuth on May 28, 2004, 12:52:05 PM
You think you can outwuss me?  I like Len - Steal my Sunshine
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: NEON MERCURY on May 29, 2004, 10:55:58 PM
does ZZ top count??

if so i like thats song 'legs" and i like it when they spin  their guitars arond in a circle..come to think of it ..the guitar spin is much more of  a 'rock star" kind of manuever than pete townsends windmill strum.....

if i was smart i would give examples by having animated video clips  to serve as evidence...
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Pedro on January 02, 2005, 08:11:25 PM
Kelly Clarkson - Since U Been Gone

yeah, i should hate it or something, but it's good.  i just wish, like, steve albini had produced it, it would be even better.
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: mogwai on June 02, 2005, 11:08:42 AM
the bizarre incident that led to east 17 singer brian harvey being hospitalised in london was a "freak accident", his manager has said, not a suicide attempt.

police have said the singer fell underneath his mercedes convertible outside his walthamstow home and was crushed. the incident occurred in the early hours of tuesday morning (may 31) and follows two alleged suicide attempts.

speaking to radio 5 live, the singer’s manager said that harvey briefly regained consciousness and recognised his name, which is "a good sign in terms of his recovery".

he said: "it looks as if brian was reversing down the road with his door open, looking out to see where he was going, and the door hit a parked car which sent his car out of control…somehow he was thrown from the vehicle and crushed."

the manager revealed that harvey’s injuries include a broken leg and six breaks to the pelvis.

he added: "his abdominal area was pushed very high into his chest, they had to drain his lungs yesterday and there was also damage to his ribs… people have speculated it might be a suicide attempt but i don't think you could plan this if you tried. there are easier ways to kill yourself. it was just a freak accident and a piece of seriously bad luck."

a scotland yard spokesperson said that police were called to the scene by the london ambulance service at 1.53am on tuesday (may 31). there were no other passengers in harvey’s vehicle, which ended up in a collision with another car.

the spokesman said: "the circumstances of the collision are being investigated but at this early stage we believe the man may have fallen from the driver's side of the mercedes convertible while reversing from an access road into the street."

he added: "he was alone in the car at the time and no other driver was involved."
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Pubrick on June 02, 2005, 11:14:10 AM
Quote from: Pedro the Alpaca
Kelly Clarkson - Since U Been Gone

yeah, i should hate it or something, but it's good.  i just wish, like, steve albini had produced it, it would be even better.

i kinda like her new one too. ... i'm considering...... stealing her album  :yabbse-lipsrsealed:
Title: underrated pop music
Post by: Weird. Oh on June 02, 2005, 01:51:31 PM
there's a band called Cherry Twister that released an album back in 2000 called At Home With Cherry Twister. Barnone, my favorite pop/rock album. It's a shame they split up so quickly. The brilliant songwriter Steve Ward has subsequently released 2 solo albums which are also great. If you are a fan of Fountains of Wayne or any pop rock with great melody and harmonies check them out.
Title: Re: underrated pop music
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 10, 2013, 06:23:46 PM
Avril Lavigne - "Together" and "Forgotten"

Okay, may not be lyrically solid yet, but these are really good songs. Trust me. And I still swear that "Losing Grip" is a good song.

I guess because there was a remote possibility that Avril Lavigne was still capable of making good music, I just clicked on the iTunes advertisement of her new album and previewed most of the tracks.

And wow. It is literally a Kesha album. That's not even a joke. You can only tell it's Avril Lavigne when she reaches the high register and her voice is pinched off in a nasal whine; otherwise it is literally indistinguishable from Kesha, in both form and content.

Thematically, the album is mostly concerned with celebrating alcoholism and infantilism, which this soulless shell of an artist expresses either through cliche or forced belligerence. The Avril-monster presented on this album is the precise incarnation of everything that Avril Lavigne of 2002 was so earnestly railing against.
Title: Re: underrated pop music
Post by: polkablues on November 11, 2013, 02:54:57 AM
I will not have Ke$ha's good name besmirched by comparing Avril Lavigne to her. Avril is the middlest of the middle of the road, and Kesha is the best pop chorus writer of the 21st century.
Title: Re: underrated pop music
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 11, 2013, 01:57:12 PM
You even used the dollar sign.
Title: Re: underrated pop music
Post by: polkablues on November 11, 2013, 02:35:03 PM
I was only like 30% joking in that post, by the way. I can't stand her "rapping," and she looks like she smells like a beer bottle full of cigarette butts, but listen to the choruses of "Die Young," "Your Love is my Drug," "We R Who We R," "Animal"... it's genuinely high-level pop music.
Title: Re: underrated pop music
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 11, 2013, 02:42:14 PM
I was only like 30% joking in that post, by the way. I can't stand her "rapping," and she looks like she smells like a beer bottle full of cigarette butts, but listen to the choruses of "Die Young," "Your Love is my Drug," "We R Who We R," "Animal"... it's genuinely high-level pop music.

I was just about to post this:

Actually I'm a big fan of Greg Kurstin, who's produced some of her songs. I would even say "Die Young" and "Tik Tok" are legitimately great songs, musically.

Just not a fan of most of her music or her persona or her voice or the lyrical content of any of her songs.
Title: Re: underrated pop music
Post by: 03 on November 11, 2013, 10:25:41 PM
i bet she smells really good.