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Non-Film Discussion => Xix & Xax => Topic started by: MacGuffin on October 25, 2003, 01:33:49 AM

Title: Respect
Post by: MacGuffin on October 25, 2003, 01:33:49 AM
Something has been bothering me lately and I have to address it, especially with such an offensive thread posted yesterday called "SEX".

There has been so much vulgar objectivity of women being posted on our boards. And I would like to quell it. I feel our female members deserve better and must command our respect. I've noticed that they seem to be not participating in our topics of discussions as of late, and how could anyone blame them? It seems 'Idle Chatter' (if not spilling over to other forums) is turning into 'Men's Locker Room Talk'. Our female members are so intelligent. They should not be subjected to discussions about 'boobies', 'bitches' and 'what classical song have you fucked to'. We're better than that, and I know it. Even the avatars are now bordering on nudity. I'm not saying I'm above you guys (I'm even guilty), and I would be asking too much to end it all together (because boys will be boys), and some of you may be joking, but I just feel we should think about how a certain comment or statement might sit wrong with others. I love and have so much respect for each and every one of our female members. I want to read more of their thoughts about films (isn't that why were all here in the first place?). I'm just afraid if this continues, we will lose such amazing female personalities and not gain any more than we already have.

I offer this thread up to our female members to speak their minds if they feel inclined to do so. I believe that the overwhelming ratio of men to women plays into our ladies not wanting to speak up. I would like to make this topic a place when you ladies can express yourselves if you would like to. I'll personally see to it that it remains a safe zone. Because xixax.com should be a place where the ladies can come to and not have to worry about such offensiveness. In fact, I would like to express a heartfelt apology to any one of you ladies if I have ever said something that has rubbed you the wrong way. I thank you ladies for being here, and hope a better envionment for you can be had.
Title: Respect
Post by: Find Your Magali on October 25, 2003, 02:00:09 AM
1. I absolutely second everything Mac said.

2. I'm going to commit to watching what I write even moreso now, because I'm not completely innocent, either. It's too easy to stray into an easy joke or throwaway line sometimes, and we have show some extra discipline.

3. I respect Mac greatly for starting this thread and saying what had to be said, when he knew it would leave him open for potential heckling and such.

So, to paraphrase a great TV show, "Let's be careful out there, folks."
Title: Respect
Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 02:02:20 AM
I will be the first to admit...I am an offender....realize...I agree...and I am not the dirtbag as I have portrayed myself to be in a certain thread....I did there out of humor, boredness, and only to get a laugh...I hope I didn't offend too many...

But Mac is right...there is nothing more beautiful than a girl with a mind...I believe we have sum here, I will do my part to cease the "dirtbag" talk...as I want them all to feel welcome....if I offended any, PM me I think I can change yer mind...

ps. Mac...good deal, it needed to be said.
Title: Respect
Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 25, 2003, 02:30:47 AM
Mac, you're just saying that to get in good favor with the ladies :wink:
Title: Respect
Post by: Kal on October 25, 2003, 04:13:45 AM
agreed
Title: Respect
Post by: Ghostboy on October 25, 2003, 04:37:30 AM
I don't want to sound like a hyprocrite, since I've often praised Banky for his avatars, but I support this motion all the way. And of course, in case it isn't implied, let's make sure we respect everyone on the site, not just the ladies.

Jesus, I sound like a junior high teacher or something. But you get the point.
Title: Respect
Post by: kotte on October 25, 2003, 05:16:56 AM
Quote from: Find Your Magali
1. I absolutely second everything Mac said.


Me too...

We'll have to watch our language from know on.  :)
Title: Respect
Post by: Lucinda Bryte on October 25, 2003, 08:43:37 AM
It doesn't really bother me that much. I don't feel that guys should be different around people just cause there are females here.

I'm just as vulgar. ;)

But the only thing that bothers me is referring to women as 'bitches'. I haven't seen it here yet, and if I did I'd go off on whoever said it.
Title: Respect
Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 25, 2003, 08:45:09 AM
I bet if the topic of what classicalsong you fucked to was changed to "best song you made love to", complaining about the thread would be nonexistent. It really isn't a gender bias thread at all. The only bad thing I saw about it was the title, "SEX" and the language used in which to ask the question. My stance, on just this one thing, is that.

I'm not disagreeing at all with other things. I've seen some bad stuff. Nothing totally outrageous. What really annoys me here are all the animated avatars. They screw my computer up! My computer has beeen freezing lately because of them. And yes, I do own old an old and prolly out of date computer compared to most others, but fuck, what's the big deal in having an animated avatar? There have been a minority here, as with girls, complaining about these avatars. Its easier for you guys to change your avatars then for us to just go out and buy new computers. And if you have a strong love for your animated avatar and are still like "no way, no how, will I change my avatar", then sorry, but I think you are a dork.

~rougerum
Title: Respect
Post by: Lucinda Bryte on October 25, 2003, 08:47:06 AM
Quote
What really annoys me here are all the animated avatars. They screw my computer up! My computer has beeen freezing lately because of them.


I second that. I tried to stay away from the forum for awhile but it ended up not working.
Title: Respect
Post by: Gamblour. on October 25, 2003, 10:24:04 AM
I can take the blame for talk of "boobies" (I believe I posted something about them twice, but in my defense, when I offered a link to a certain boobies site, I offered the polar alternative  (and I do mean pole) :wink: ). As with anything, I think it's good foresight to stop something before it starts (or gets worse). Yeah, I think some of us guys might got a little nervous if the chicks started a thread talking about dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick.

As for the animated avatars, there's an option on IE under Tools-Internet Options-Advanced, under the multimedia heading, it says (at least on my browser) Play animations on web. I suggest unchecking this box, because I gots ta have me animations!
Title: Respect
Post by: Find Your Magali on October 25, 2003, 10:44:04 AM
Quote from: Ghostboy
And of course, in case it isn't implied, let's make sure we respect everyone on the site, not just the ladies.


Oh, wait, does that mean we have to nice to Yankees fans, for heaven's sakes?   :P
Title: Respect
Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 25, 2003, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: Gamblor the Manwhore
As for the animated avatars, there's an option on IE under Tools-Internet Options-Advanced, under the multimedia heading, it says (at least on my browser) Play animations on web. I suggest unchecking this box, because I gots ta have me animations!


THANK YOU.

~rougerum
Title: Respect
Post by: GodDamnImDaMan on October 25, 2003, 10:56:24 AM
Women dont need any more respect? Afterall after my ol lady can cook me breakfast/dinner/lunch, massage my back, gimmie a BJaroonie, and touch herself while i eat. Then i'll call her by her name instead of "Dammit Woman!!!!"

But seriously...All girls last names should be STUPID.....


 :wink:

"Hi....im ms. Stupid"
Title: Respect
Post by: Cecil on October 25, 2003, 11:50:23 AM
i feel bad for posting in the "sex" thread
Title: Respect
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 25, 2003, 11:55:03 AM
Would you like a hug?
Title: Respect
Post by: Cecil on October 25, 2003, 11:58:42 AM
no thanks
Title: Respect
Post by: Ernie on October 25, 2003, 12:01:34 PM
I used to say everything Mac said but I was of course told to "get a dick" and whatnot. Now that Mac has said it and the whole world agrees, it's probably ok to have this opinion. So I won't go back and reiterate everything I said like I probably should. I'll just agree as well for now.
Title: Respect
Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 12:16:41 PM
Someone has needed to say what Mac said for a looong time. The underlying assumption of all the behavior referred to- that this is a straight boy's club, that obviously no females or others who might find the sometimes slobbery, masturbatory atmosphere a little misguided would ever be here- is, I think, what was truly irksome, moreso than the the "naughty" pics and so on.

Glad to see most people responding reasonably to a very reasonable suggestion...
Title: Respect
Post by: Xixax on October 25, 2003, 12:19:33 PM
How does The Goatse Guy (http://www.goatse.cx) fit into this scenario?
Title: Respect
Post by: Newtron on October 25, 2003, 12:19:36 PM
Quote from: ebeaman
I used to say everything Mac said but I was of course told to "get a dick" and whatnot. Now that Mac has said it and the whole world agrees, it's probably ok to have this opinion. So I won't go back and reiterate everything I said like I probably should. I'll just agree as well for now.

Get a dick.
Title: Respect
Post by: Ghostboy on October 25, 2003, 12:20:25 PM
Quote from: Find Your Magali
Quote from: Ghostboy
And of course, in case it isn't implied, let's make sure we respect everyone on the site, not just the ladies.


Oh, wait, does that mean we have to nice to Yankees fans, for heaven's sakes?   :P


Well, maybe an exception can be made.

Yankees are baseball, right?  :lol:
Title: Respect
Post by: MrBurgerKing on October 25, 2003, 12:33:37 PM
Last week or so I was doing some painting on a canvas in some garbage art course I'm taking. So, I finished the painting and then sat down on my stool to admire my masterpiece (a portrait of santa clause). Then there was a wet feeling on the stool.. I sat in a blob of drying white paint! I got up and looked at it, and there was a big dry white streak perfectly visible on my black pants.

Soon I forgot about this, and later in the day a woman approached me. The moment our eyes reached each others', the possibilities came up. I thought maybe I could ask her to Burger King or Wendys that night, or take her to the theaters. It was love at first sight. I knew we would be together forever. Then the words came.. She told me there's a big streak of white visible on my ass area. Feeling assertive I said yep, I sat in paint, it's not what you think. Then came the words "I know what paint looks like, that's not paint."

What the hell could I say to that? She didn't believe me, she thought I was covering my tracks. I had no time to defend my position, which was basically "How would the man-mayo get to my back-side?" She walked away before I could answer and I was trapped in an orgy of possible responses I could've given. Of course none of them would've worked. She would've no doubt said that I self-gratified myself and wiped on the back of my shorts. Of course the next thing I did was grab a black marker and color over the white spot. Yep, I'm single.
Title: Respect
Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 12:45:58 PM
Quote from: Ghostboy
Well, maybe an exception can be made.

figures...I see how it all works.  Seriously...too much hate.  :yabbse-cry:
Title: Respect
Post by: coffeebeetle on October 25, 2003, 12:59:47 PM
I'd also like to thank you, Mac, for starting this thread.  The sex forum was probably the most asinine, inconsiderate  one created to date.  Anyway, I too am going to do better, as I have been guilty of putting up distasteful avs and making comments...what can I say?  I get carried away with things sometimes and to all the ladies out there: My Apologies.  

P.S.: I think Mac's intentions are not to sound smooth around the ladies, but out of respect for them.  I hope. :)
Title: Respect
Post by: Ghostboy on October 25, 2003, 01:14:36 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
Quote from: Ghostboy
Well, maybe an exception can be made.

figures...I see how it all works.  Seriously...too much hate.  :yabbse-cry:


Honestly...it's all Greek to me. I didn't even know it was Baseball season until about a week ago.
Title: re
Post by: pookiethecat on October 25, 2003, 01:26:40 PM
well, macguffin brought up a really vital issue, i think.   the dirty talk makes me want to post less here.  its just disheartening, but it's mainly boring as hell.  the thing i really dislike though is when my opinions aren't considered valid on their own...instead, the perception is, "she thinks this cuz she's a chick."  it's just insulting.  i'm kind of regretting ever revealing my identity as a female.
Title: Re: re
Post by: Ernie on October 25, 2003, 01:47:16 PM
Quote from: pookiethecat
instead, the perception is, "she thinks this cuz she's a chick."


Exactly. Not only do some assume any girl here is stupid but they also make other inexplicable assumptions. Like I always thought it was strange that any girl that came here was automatically thought to be really hot. I don't see why people would expect that...it's a message board, not a night club. That's like putting pressure on somebody, it's superficial wishful thinking. People that hang out at message boards probably aren't going to be GREAT looking whether they're a guy or girl. I'm not saying that I expect everybody here to be ugly, there probably are some really good looking people here but I never expect that, I definitely don't expect any George Clooney's or Audrey Tautou's. But that's just me, I've never hit on anybody on the internet, no offense to those that do but it's always been kinda creepy to me. And I have a dick too, imagine that. I'm growing up with the best mom in the world and a sister as a best friend, with a deadbeat dad on top of that, sue me. All I've ever known is that I should respect women. Sure, my dad calls them "broads" and whatnot but he has absolutely no influence on me at all. My mom and sister are the ones that do. Hence my support of this whole thing.
Title: Re: re
Post by: RegularKarate on October 25, 2003, 02:25:35 PM
Quote from: Find Your Magali

So, to paraphrase a great TV show, "Let's be careful out there, folks."


yeah... Cop Rock is the greatest!

I agree with what Mac's saying here.  I also don't want everybody to have to stop sharing opinions.  Like I think Thora Birch is hot.  I think I should be able to share that with everyone.  But the macho-tard attitude has been getting a little out of hand lately.



Quote from: pookiethecat
 i'm kind of regretting ever revealing my identity as a female.


Wait... Pookie's a girl?


Seriously though, Pookie, there aren't many people here who actually think your opinion doesn't matter because of your gender.
Title: Re: re
Post by: cine on October 25, 2003, 02:52:23 PM
Quote from: pookiethecat
i'm kind of regretting ever revealing my identity as a female.

I don't see how this could be possible. Taking your age and sex into consideration, you're probably one of the most intellectual people on this entire board, and many have recognized that, including myself. So I don't think you should be regretting revealing that. People around here are very impressed by you.
I've never had a big problem with the whole woman thing since I am a guy and all. I thought it was just like Mac said.. boys being boys. But as I said in the 'Sex' thread, it epitomized 'idle' chatter.. but not in a good way where it fits around here. It was wasteful stuff. Women should be fully commended for putting up with us guys, and relates here also. They put up with too much of our shit but I hope they're aware that even though some guys on here may be compelled to speak a little negatively about them, I can tell they're being very innocent about it as the majority seem to be clearly soft (well, or hard) for them.
Title: Re: re
Post by: Find Your Magali on October 25, 2003, 03:07:31 PM
Quote from: ebeaman
I'm not saying that I expect everybody here to be ugly, there probably are some really good looking people here but I never expect that, I definitely don't expect any George Clooney's or Audrey Tautou's.


I agree with your point, in general. But it's funny that you mention that, because some people DO occasionally tell me that I remind them a little bit of "that guy from ER."

I think that's a bit of a stretch, but I guess it's just something that I have to live with. Here's a picture of me that my sister took this summer, so you can judge for yourself what kind of person sits in front of a computer and makes posts all day...

(http://www.tiscali.co.uk/clubs/entertainment/movies/interviews/images/george_clooney_large.jpg)
Title: Respect
Post by: cine on October 25, 2003, 03:18:39 PM
Wow... you're not so modest when you name your pictures, are you?
Title: Respect
Post by: Vile5 on October 25, 2003, 04:02:35 PM
Thanks again Mac for decide to make a topic about it, and it's great to know most of you guys are that clever to say "sorry", i'm sure many of you had no idea how offensive some of your posts were, well maybe things are clearer for all of us now.
I really enjoy this site, and i love lots of your jokes, but we must never NEVER forget a little word what, in my opinion, is vital: RESPECT, i like jokes, i like sarcasm, i love Xixax, but pleaseeee don't forget respect, and not just to women, i'm talking about respect for everyone here...
Title: Respect
Post by: Pas on October 25, 2003, 04:55:33 PM
Treating women differently than men is sexism. Thus I will not take part in this new "respect the chick" thing. You sexists.
Title: Respect
Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 05:02:25 PM
Quote from: Pas Rapport
Treating women differently than men is sexism. .



If you'll read the posts, you'll see that that's exactly the issue: Women have been treated very differently than the men here. People are asking for respect for all, and MacGuffin pointed out the very obvious fact that there's been more disrespect towards women here than there has been towards men.

As soon as people start posting nearly-naked pictures of guys and obsessing over their pecs and asses, you'll have a point; only then would the males and females here be treated to the same sort of disrespect. As it stands, one group has been treated differently and with less respect. I don't know what you're talking about on this issue. You should read the posts before knee-jerk responding.
Title: Respect
Post by: Pas on October 25, 2003, 05:08:34 PM
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: Pas Rapport
Treating women differently than men is sexism. .



If you'll read the posts, you'll see that that's exactly the issue: Women have been treated very differently than the men here. People are asking for respect for all, and MacGuffin pointed out the very obvious fact that there's been more disrespect towards women here than there has been towards men.

As soon as people start posting nearly-naked pictures of guys and obsessing over their pecs and asses, you'll have a point; only then would the males and females here be treated to the same sort of disrespect. As it stands, one group has been treated differently and with less respect. I don't know what you're talking about on this issue. You should read the posts before knee-jerk responding.


Oh sorry, I was just being sarcastic but I know it's hard to see that on the internet. I should just stop that. But as far as respect goes, I think a lot more men have been mistreated here than women, but it all depends on what your definition of mistreating is. Saying "I like big boobies" seems much less offensive to me than "You're a stupid asshole ACJJ". Anyway, I don't want to debate.

I love you girls ! :kiss:
Title: Respect
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 25, 2003, 05:10:00 PM
Whoa whoa!

Girls post here?
Title: Respect
Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 05:19:09 PM
Quote from: Pas Rapport
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: Pas Rapport
Treating women differently than men is sexism. .



If you'll read the posts, you'll see that that's exactly the issue: Women have been treated very differently than the men here. People are asking for respect for all, and MacGuffin pointed out the very obvious fact that there's been more disrespect towards women here than there has been towards men.

As soon as people start posting nearly-naked pictures of guys and obsessing over their pecs and asses, you'll have a point; only then would the males and females here be treated to the same sort of disrespect. As it stands, one group has been treated differently and with less respect. I don't know what you're talking about on this issue. You should read the posts before knee-jerk responding.


Oh sorry, I was just being sarcastic but I know it's hard to see that on the internet. I should just stop that. But as far as respect goes, I think a lot more men have been mistreated here than women, but it all depends on what your definition of mistreating is. Saying "I like big boobies" seems much less offensive to me than "You're a stupid asshole ACJJ". Anyway, I don't want to debate.

I love you girls ! :kiss:


Oh... yes, I did miss the sarcasm. Sorry... seems to be a somewhat serious issue.

Of course, a general expression of sexual... something is less offensive than name-calling and direct insults. But it still lowers the discourse, plus, in the example you used ("big boobies") it singles out one group (females) for objectification. Now, objectification has its place, but I'd say it's between two (or more) consenting adults, (usually) in private, not splattered all over a message board that's supposed to be for film discussion.

One of my first frustrations with this board was the fact that it seemed to be a bunch of straight guys using this high-fiving, feverish, sometimes almost group-masturbatory language about the female anatomy, and you just know that if I were to indulge in the same practice, being a guy but finding other guys attractive, it would be shocking and cause a great deal of consternation and discomfort; a double standard if there eve was one. Maybe the turnabout would be less shocking if a girl were to do it, but that would still probably make many uncomfortable.

I'd say that an atmosphere where we try not to express our sexuality so explicitly is probably more healthy for a message board of this type. I know there are tons of message boards where things like boobies are discussed, and that would seem to be the more appropriate place for it.
Title: Respect
Post by: BonBon85 on October 25, 2003, 05:33:52 PM
I'd just like to say that I don't think my opinions regarding film have ever been dismissed solely on the basis of my gender. If people here disagree with me they base it on my words and don't "blame" it on gender, and I appreciate that. I will admit that I find "big boobies" talk a tad annoying, but I associate that with the individuals who make such posts and don't hold it against all male members of the board.
Title: Respect
Post by: eward on October 25, 2003, 05:41:13 PM
i dont think ive said anything offensive, but if i have, i apologize.
Title: Respect
Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 05:55:03 PM
I should also say that I think the huge majority of what Macguffin was talking about was just thoughtlessness; I don't think most people here are really misogynistic, rude, or out to get anyone. I think this thread is just about trying to be a little more thoughtful about some things. I like the liveliness here, but if the things that inspired this thread were to stop, I wouldn't find it any less lively. There are still a million arguments to be had about Radiohead, for instance...  :lol:
Title: Respect
Post by: Xixax on October 25, 2003, 06:23:32 PM
Quote from: godardian
There are still a million arguments to be had about Radiohead, for instance...  :lol:

Yeah, boy do they ever suck balls, huh?

(Michael ducks)
Title: Re: re
Post by: Ernie on October 25, 2003, 06:45:43 PM
Quote from: Find Your Magali
Quote from: ebeaman
I'm not saying that I expect everybody here to be ugly, there probably are some really good looking people here but I never expect that, I definitely don't expect any George Clooney's or Audrey Tautou's.


I agree with your point, in general. But it's funny that you mention that, because some people DO occasionally tell me that I remind them a little bit of "that guy from ER."

I think that's a bit of a stretch, but I guess it's just something that I have to live with. Here's a picture of me that my sister took this summer, so you can judge for yourself what kind of person sits in front of a computer and makes posts all day...

(http://www.tiscali.co.uk/clubs/entertainment/movies/interviews/images/george_clooney_large.jpg)


Absolutely, it's not surprising. It doesn't surprise me. The internet is very widely used now, there's bound to be some good looking people hanging out, God Damn I'm The Man looks like a backstreet boy. Nobody said film geeks can't be good looking, just look at Harry Knowles. Somebody post a picture of Knowles.
Title: Re: re
Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: ebeaman
Just look at Harry Knowles.


Um, no thanks.

Though I'd rather look at 'im than read 'im.  :?
Title: Re: re
Post by: Ernie on October 25, 2003, 06:50:57 PM
Quote from: godardian
Though I'd rather look at 'im than read 'im.  :?


Ha! Agreed. I just had this great quote from this recent article Hollywood Bitchslap roasted him in. They pretty much analyzed how much and why he sucks. I should have written it down, it was brilliant.  It's a coincidence too, the quote was specifically about how vulgar he can be when writing about women he has no chance with. It would have tied in perfectly with this thread. I was going to make it my sig too, wish I could remember it. I'm sure it's still up on the site, check it out. It's so truthful.
Title: Respect
Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 06:56:13 PM
Quote from: Pas Rapport
Saying "I like big boobies" seems much less offensive to me than "You're a stupid asshole ACJJ".

Well you are in the minority Pas...I like the fact that you bring my name into this though (in fact I buy you this (http://www.homebeer.com.tw/images/bass.jpg) for doing so). I lot of this has directly to do with me.  Did I mean to offend the female populous here ever....no.  But do I think some are (guys and girls) tight wads that can't take a joke...yes.  I agree wholehearted with Mac here, but if there is one negative I see coming out of this: it's the fact some are being molded.  Saying this is how you should act, post, think, and agree with always.  I am talking broader than me being a dipshit.  A lot of you are soley thread fillers (nothing wrong with that), but there are a few I know that have gangs of opinions...but don't share them cause they may not fit into this "xixaxian behavior".  If you think there aren't a few that will in fact try to mold you...think again.  Don't "post like this", "post like this"...do this, and whatever you do, "don't ever disagree" with a few.  Now, the case and point here...did I ever mean to offend someone by saying something like "boobies"?  No..sorry, it's the little kid in me and I always just found that word to be funny and silly sounding (or looking here I guess).  I for the most part left it in one thread.  

I just hope that everyone doesn't become this asexual enigma of what are precieved to be the "good contributor's" here.  Not to say that some decentency shouldn't be maintained (I will do my part), but look at the average age amongst us...what is it...probably around 18-19.  That just screams raging hormones.  (It's okay...it's normal)  I am beginning to think that maybe in fact some of the folks here are just such social outkasts that maybe they are asexual...shit, I dunno.  Right, this place is about film...but coming from someone who has been labeled "unoriginal", "boring", "one-dimensional", and god forbid "phoney".  I don't see much of the opposite coming in from staggering numbers...most will just simply agree or completely skip over a debate they have strong feelings on all together.  Ok, there was one person awhile back that sorta had a problem forming a constructive debate (he is on to bigger and brighter things), but it's not to say that others shouldn't try.  Whether about film, politics...or heaven forbid...making sweet passionate toe-curling love.  

Like I said, I will do my best to not be such a dirtbag around here, but I am a guy, I love women, and will continue to do so.  Others may not like what I have to say, but how constructive is it when some members put forth more time and effort into telling me how much I suck, than actually mabye showing a bit of themselves.  I don't mind taking tbe blunt end of the stick...but I also don't want to see other members afraid to post anything...ever.  And throughout this whole thing, I got the feeling of I was the exception here to respect...I don't mind, but that's not cool...cause I don't ever go outta my way to directly hate on someone.  

Yeah...that PTA...he's alright...
Title: Respect
Post by: Find Your Magali on October 25, 2003, 07:05:35 PM
:: raps aclockworkjj on the side of the shoulder in a completely macho manner ::

Well said, aclockworkjj! ... From the heart, man. I'm with ya. ... And good luck to your Yankees tonight.

On a semi-related note, I've been an "asexual enigma" since 1993 and it's really not that bad.  :(
Title: Respect
Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
Quote from: Pas Rapport
Saying "I like big boobies" seems much less offensive to me than "You're a stupid asshole ACJJ".

Well you are in the minority Pas...I like the fact that you bring my name into this though (in fact I buy you this (http://www.homebeer.com.tw/images/bass.jpg) for doing so). I lot of this has directly to do with me.  Did I mean to offend the female populous here ever....no.  But do I think some are (guys and girls) tight wads that can't take a joke...yes.  I agree wholehearted with Mac here, but if there is one negative I see coming out of this: it's the fact some are being molded.  Saying this is how you should act, post, think, and agree with always.  I am talking broader than me being a dipshit.  A lot of you are soley thread fillers (nothing wrong with that), but there are a few I know that have gangs of opinions...but don't share them cause they may not fit into this "xixaxian behavior".  If you think there aren't a few that will in fact try to mold you...think again.  Don't "post like this", "post like this"...do this, and whatever you do, "don't ever disagree" with a few.  Now, the case and point here...did I ever mean to offend someone by saying something like "boobies"?  No..sorry, it's the little kid in me and I always just found that word to be funny and silly sounding (or looking here I guess).  I for the most part left it in one thread.  

I just hope that everyone doesn't become this asexual enigma of what are precieved to be the "good contributor's" here.  Not to say that some decentency shouldn't be maintained (I will do my part), but look at the average age amongst us...what is it...probably around 18-19.  That just screams raging hormones.  (It's okay...it's normal)  I am beginning to think that maybe in fact some of the folks here are just such social outkasts that maybe they are asexual...shit, I dunno.  Right, this place is about film...but coming from someone who has been labeled "unoriginal", "boring", "one-dimensional", and god forbid "phoney".  I don't see much of the opposite coming in from staggering numbers...most will just simply agree or completely skip over a debate they have strong feelings on all together.  Ok, there was one person awhile back that sorta had a problem forming a constructive debate (he is on to bigger and brighter things), but it's not to say that others shouldn't try.  Whether about film, politics...or heaven forbid...making sweet passionate toe-curling love.  

Like I said, I will do my best to not be such a dirtbag around here, but I am a guy, I love women, and will continue to do so.  Others may not like what I have to say, but how constructive is it when some members put forth more time and effort into telling me how much I suck, than actually mabye showing a bit of themselves.  I don't mind taking tbe blunt end of the stick...but I also don't want to see other members afraid to post anything...ever.  And throughout this whole thing, I got the feeling of I was the exception here to respect...I don't mind, but that's not cool...cause I don't ever go outta my way to directly hate on someone.  

Yeah...that PTA...he's alright...


I don't think anyone should worry about being told directly not what to post/not post... I think MacGuf was just asking people to use a little bit better judgment at times. I don't think anyone who feels like comments they've made/pics they've put up have fallen under the "poor judgment" category in the past should feel attacked in the least... I'm guessing Macguffin avoided naming names because a) that's counterproductive and usually unfair, and b) many people here could benefit from re-evaluating the sexual content of what they're posting.

I think this whole thread exists not at all to make rules or laws, but just to remind everyone that there are people here who, even if they don't actually take offense at some of the more graphic/locker-room type sexual stuff, really would appreciate it if that kind of thing could be kept to an as-absolutely-necessary basis. Like, maybe think twice before creating/disrupting an entire thread based on your sex life/lack thereof/fantasy sex life, etc. If it comes up, fine, but I think this thread is in response to a decrease in common sense and judgment recently. If "being yourself" unequivocally necessitates a total lack of boundaries regarding how lascivious you can be on Xixax, that's your problem; everyone reading these threads shouldn't have to shoulder the burden of that, and we can't help you with it, anyway.

I wouldn't be scared of the thought police coming, or anything... obviously, we're all sexual people here, because we're human. I think the message here is that a preoccupation with that here, on this board, which is mainly supposed to be about film and is therefore for people of varying races, genders, and sexualities (which we definitely do have here) to enjoy, might be a little ill-advised.

I don't think anyone should take it personally. Just be thoughtful, use common sense, don't take your relative anonymity here as a license to be childishly preoccupied with sex. This is not the place to vent our raging hormones. Nobody here cares to have it made obvious how horny anyone else is. Our culture is full to the brim with places/venues/outlets for that- why do it here?
Title: Respect
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 25, 2003, 07:50:22 PM
Quote from: Find Your Magali
On a semi-related note, I've been an "asexual enigma" since 1993


Not something to be proud about, Pat.
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 08:05:17 PM
godardian

I understand what you are trying to say...but realize you have been gone for a long time.

EDIT:
ps. realize I am the exact opposite of you in regards to women.  Not a bad thing either (I love ya), but you are talking from a completely different side of the spectrum.
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Post by: Sleuth on October 25, 2003, 08:10:11 PM
Quote from: XIXAX
Quote from: godardian
There are still a million arguments to be had about Radiohead, for instance...  :lol:

Yeah, boy do they ever suck balls, huh?

(Michael ducks)


That's it!  This thread is about respect, and it's clear that Godardian is the most disrespectful person on this board and I can't stand being a member here anymore!  I am leaving FOREVER
Title: Respect
Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 08:11:56 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
godardian

I understand what you are trying to say...but realize you have been gone for a long time.


Well, just speaking for myself- I don't single you out on this issue. Or anyone else, really.
Title: Respect
Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 08:13:07 PM
Quote from: tremolosloth
Quote from: XIXAX
Quote from: godardian
There are still a million arguments to be had about Radiohead, for instance...  :lol:

Yeah, boy do they ever suck balls, huh?

(Michael ducks)


That's it!  This thread is about respect, and it's clear that Godardian is the most disrespectful person on this board and I can't stand being a member here anymore!  I am leaving FOREVER


You forgot:

**stamps up stairs and slams bedroom door**

 :lol:
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 25, 2003, 08:15:31 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
But do I think some are (guys and girls) tight wads that can't take a joke...yes.


Like I said before, minstrels were funny, but that doesn't justify them.

Quote from: Lucinda Bryte
But the only thing that bothers me is referring to women as 'bitches'. I haven't seen it here yet, and if I did I'd go off on whoever said it.


http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=3805

Originally "Banky's Bitches"...

Quote from: RegularKarate
Seriously though, Pookie, there aren't many people here who actually think your opinion doesn't matter because of your gender.


Well, I don't think it's a matter of thinking her opinion doesn't matter. It's more like (as pookie said) people thinking of her thoughts and ideas differently, and of her differently. Look how much things changed after the "im sooo sexy" thread. There was a lot of "wow, you're smart for 15"... but I think there was also some "wow, you're smart for a girl." I know it may be unconscious (and implied), but it seems like people can stretch to spin their replies in some seudo-sexual way.
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Post by: Gamblour. on October 25, 2003, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
but I am a guy, I love women, and will continue to do so.


I agree, I know that when I post anything about women, it's out of a love and need for them. Other times, it's been with a sense of humor about things, which is always needed but a good comedian knows when to draw the line. I like to think I'm a good comedian.

By the way, I know that in my case, the sudden attention brought to this could-have-been issue has made me not guilty but very aware and conscious of what I've posted and will post.
Title: Respect
Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 08:19:17 PM
thanks for sheding some light JB...you jester...

note to all xixaxers...follow JB's lead if you want to be respected.  If you don't you will get threatened to be banned....

agree with him always, and all is good.
Title: Respect
Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 25, 2003, 08:23:39 PM
Quote from: godardian
Just be thoughtful, use common sense, don't take your relative anonymity here as a license to be childishly preoccupied with sex. This is not the place to vent our raging hormones. Nobody here cares to have it made obvious how horny anyone else is. Our culture is full to the brim with places/venues/outlets for that- why do it here?


History of this board and previous one disagrees with your assertion that is the wrong place to talk about such things. It is the right thing, and as hinted, this forum is dominated by 18-20 year old males. And also criticized, it generally lacks "meaningful posts about film". Thats the oldest complaint here. All this leads to is that this forum really is a "community forum with an agreed upon interest in movies". I know movies and talk about them aren't the greatest concern. They never were. The interaction between members on the board is what is dominant and thus, personalities show.

Now, personally, I think it is a nice thing to remind everyone of thoughtfulness on attitudes toward women and others considering the barrage of threads recently. In my opinion, though, the complaints of what was said aren't really that bad. I've said two hundred times worst than anything posted, though I do like to stay away from "bitches" as general comment. Besides the large number of "more insulting" threads showing up all at once, nothing is different. Certain people here are mainly present for just sex jokes and in every kind of topic immaginable, sex jokes are tossed around like nothing. It's just character identity. So I think a certain member, obvious to all, is getting hanged here. He is outside of a clique and made the mistake of posting 2 months worth of sex ammo all in one week. With flow of new topics on Idle Chatter kinda slow, it was even more obvious.

And to make a final comment, I remembered one member who debuted at the old board and consistently (in speedy fashion) posted just sexual replies showing everything complained about here. Threads were made to say how terrible it was and everyone unofficially signed a petition agreeing it was bad. Let time pass and he is now one of the most popular members on the board. I always liked him myself, but a uniquely similiar story with a curve ball ending. Clique clique.

~rougerum
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Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 08:23:54 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj

ps. realize I am the exact opposite of you in regards to women.  Not a bad thing either (I love ya), but you are talking from a completely different side of the spectrum.


Well, there's a huge flaw in that logic, though: I'm absolutely certain that I'm as passionately attracted to males as you are to females, but I don't think I've ever gone overboard in objectifying males or being explicit about my sexual fantasies here. It's a different part of the spectrum, but it's still the same spectrum, and in this context, I think the same guidelines/thoughtfulness should apply.

I'm not saying it's bad for anyone to be sexually incorrigible towards men OR women (or both, if you're very modern :-)), not at all; I just think that maybe there are better places to go into the finer details of those things than this board, where it would make more sense to do so.
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Post by: Gamblour. on October 25, 2003, 08:26:13 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Look how much things changed after the "im sooo sexy" thread. There was a lot of "wow, you're smart for 15"... but I think there was also some "wow, you're smart for a girl." I know it may be unconscious (and implied), but it seems like people can stretch to spin their replies in some seudo-sexual way.


I know that there's been a lot of half-way complaints about not being able to find girls in the real world who dig movies like Magnolia. I don't have any specific threads to reference, but I do remember that's popped up a few times. Perhaps this generalization has carried over into the realm of equating movie tastes with intellect and we let it come out, as you said, in a way relating to sex. This is just pure conjecture, I'm just hypothesizing the psychology of the whole situation. Just trying to "...look closer."  :yabbse-tongue:
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 08:30:45 PM
Quote from: godardian
but it's still the same spectrum,

I dig ya man...but no, it's not the same spectrum, and realize I am not this complete homophob either.  Shit, my best friend since moving here is a gay little asian kid (haha...I go to the clubs with him...nothing like west hollywood)...so it's not a matter of that...but it's not the same thing.  At all.
Title: Respect
Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
The interaction between members on the board is what is dominant and thus, personalities show.



That's true, but like I said before: If you can't express your personality or "be yourself" without dashing any concept of boundaries or thoughtfulness, that's not something we should all have to pay for. I'm sure very few people here truly have personalities that revolve around playground/locker-room ideas of sex.

You've never had a problem with this, though, GT. Like you said, I'm sure we've all thought things we would never say, and we've all said things we would never (or should never) post here. I think that's a VERY GOOD thing.

And I disagree that is just one person being "picked on."
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Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 08:37:06 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
Quote from: godardian
but it's still the same spectrum,

I dig ya man...but no, it's not the same spectrum, and realize I am not this complete homophob either.  Shit, my best friend since moving here is a gay little asian kid...so it's not a matter of that...but it's not the same thing.  At all.


Well, I think that indicates a lack of insight into the process of human sexuality. Are you actually saying you have more of a right to be sexually explicit here than I do because your heterosexuality is so radically different from my homosexuality? For the purposes of what we're talking about here, they are the same thing! Human sexuality exists on ONE spectrum, with strict heterosexuality on one end and strict homosexuality on the other (as per Kinsey), with many variations in between, but it seems it's mainly straight people and a few insecure gays that feel the need to distance themselves from this scientifically and socially useful fact.

Sexual (hetero, homo, or other) feelings don't need to be dwelled upon in graphic detail here. But please, please don't imagine that my sexual feelings are any less urgent, complicated, serious, or valid than yours. I think that if you think about it, you'll realize that that's a pretty dehumanizing and completely unfair attitude.
Title: Respect
Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 08:42:33 PM
Quote from: godardian
Are you actually saying you have more of a right to be sexually explicit here than I do because your heterosexuality is so radically different from my homosexuality?

no, not at all...I wouldn't care 2 folds if you got into it.
Quote
Please, please don't imagine that my sexual feelings are any less urgent, complicated, serious, or valid than yours.

I don't at all...so try again.   Realize I understand you more so than most might sir...so it's not about that.  Stop fishing for jj to become no only the racist, the women hater...amd no the homo hater.  It just doesn't exist...sorry if I am not PC in my talks but my demeanor is not of a negative one.
Title: Respect
Post by: picolas on October 25, 2003, 08:43:32 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
there is one negative I see coming out of this: it's the fact some are being molded.  Saying this is how you should act, post, think, and agree with always.  I am talking broader than me being a dipshit.  A lot of you are soley thread fillers (nothing wrong with that), but there are a few I know that have gangs of opinions...but don't share them cause they may not fit into this "xixaxian behavior".  If you think there aren't a few that will in fact try to mold you...think again.  Don't "post like this", "post like this"...do this, and whatever you do, "don't ever disagree" with a few.

Quote from: aclockworkjj
I understand what you are trying to say...but realize you have been gone for a long time.

Quote from: aclockworkjj
note to all xixaxers...follow JB's lead if you want to be respected.  If you don't you will get threatened to be banned....

kick yourself in the head for me please? with a metal boot?
Title: Respect
Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 08:44:33 PM
Quote from: picolas
kick yourself in the head for me please? with a metal boot?

why...when i have you to do so? that is great imput pic...care to eloborate?
ps. I am not starting anything...but you just declared  my point.
Title: Respect
Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 25, 2003, 08:53:16 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
A lot of you are soley thread fillers

How's that saying go?  The pot calling the kettle black?
Title: Respect
Post by: Sleuth on October 25, 2003, 08:54:54 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndAct
Quote from: aclockworkjj
A lot of you are soley thread fillers

How's that saying go?  The pot calling the kettle black?


it goes

The pot will call the kettle black/  It's a drunken punchup at a wedding!

...yeah...
Title: Respect
Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 08:57:15 PM
Quote from: tremolosloth
The pot will call the kettle black/  It's a drunken punchup at a wedding!

...yeah...

I dunno...why you bother... :wink:
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Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 08:57:22 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
Quote from: godardian
Are you actually saying you have more of a right to be sexually explicit here than I do because your heterosexuality is so radically different from my homosexuality?

no, not at all...I wouldn't care 2 folds if you got into it.
Quote
Please, please don't imagine that my sexual feelings are any less urgent, complicated, serious, or valid than yours.

I don't at all...so try again.   Realize I understand you more so than most might sir...so it's not about that.  Stop fishing for jj to become no only the racist, the women hater...amd no the homo hater.  It just doesn't exist...sorry if I am not PC in my talks but my demeanor is not of a negative one.


All I was saying is that for the purposes of what we're talking about here, the idea of me slobbering all over some guy explicitly here and you slobbering all over some girl explicitly here would equal the same thing: A gross error in judgment and consideration. Can't we at least agree on that? I'm not trying to pick on you. I'm not trying to paint you as some evil person. I think you're being a little contrary, though. I don't have specifically negative feelings toward you. But I can't stand it when people can't acknowledge the equality of certain things, sexual or otherwise. Here and elsewhere, the rights AND responsibilities should be equal. I have the right to post just as you do; I have the responsibility to consider what I post, just as you do.
Title: Respect
Post by: Gamblour. on October 25, 2003, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: godardian
I'm trying to paint you as some evil person.


Uh oh. A little flip of the singers...?
Title: Respect
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 25, 2003, 08:59:56 PM
Quote from: Gamblor the Manwhore
I know that there's been a lot of half-way complaints about not being able to find girls in the real world who dig movies like Magnolia. I don't have any specific threads to reference, but I do remember that's popped up a few times. Perhaps this generalization has carried over into the realm of equating movie tastes with intellect and we let it come out, as you said, in a way relating to sex.


I agree.

Quote from: Gamblor the Manwhore
This is just pure conjecture, I'm just hypothesizing the psychology of the whole situation. Just trying to "...look closer."  :yabbse-tongue:


We need more of that.  :yabbse-thumbup:
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: godardian
A gross error in judgment and consideration. Can't we at least agree on that?

no, cause you wouldn't offend me if you did....just saying.
Quote
I have the right to post just as you do;

apparently I don't...or at least have to watch what I say...
Title: Respect
Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 09:02:00 PM
Quote from: Gamblor the Manwhore
Quote from: godardian
I'm trying to paint you as some evil person.


Uh oh. A little flip of the singers...?


Edited, of course. NOT a Freudian slip.  :oops:
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Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 09:03:47 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj

no, cause you wouldn't offend me if you did....just saying.


That's not the point... the point is, either of us doing so would contribute to an atmosphere that's not what this board is supposed to be about. We would be detracting from it, rather than contributing.
Title: Respect
Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 09:07:05 PM
Quote from: godardian
That's not the point... the point is, either of us doing so would contribute to an atmosphere that's not what this board is supposed to be about. We would be detracting from it, rather than contributing.

if this board was strickly about film...I would agree...but I think it's obvious a lot of us have more than just that to talk about...maybe I am wrong, but like the worlds we live in...this board is proof that even though it's film that brings us together....

...all...I mean ALL ...have much more to say.
Quote from: Weak2ndAct
How's that saying go?  The pot calling the kettle black?

hey writer...write this into yer shit....I wasn't saying it in a negative way.
Title: Respect
Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 09:16:09 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
Quote from: godardian
That's not the point... the point is, either of us doing so would contribute to an atmosphere that's not what this board is supposed to be about. We would be detracting from it, rather than contributing.

if this board was strickly about film...I would agree...but I think it's obvious a lot of us have more than just that to talk about...maybe I am wrong, but like the worlds we live in...this board is proof that even though it's film that brings us togetther....

...all...I mean ALL ...have much more to say.


But there's just this ONE... specific... thing that's been asked to be toned down. Of course there's more to talk about than just film. But that one specific thing is making this place feel more exclusive than it needs to. If you were in a group of three guys and three girls, would you honestly feel comfortable talking about breasts and the size of breasts you like and which woman movie stars you find hot, in the enthusiastic-verging-on-masturbatory way some (again, I don't know why you think it's just you or even really you that we're necessarily talking about) on this board do? Do you think the women present would feel comfortable? Even all the other guys? There are more women coming into this community- a very good thing- and I think Macguffin is just pointing out that this online situation will "virtually" simulate the situation I just described.
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 09:19:49 PM
ask pookie where her comment stemmed from.  that's why I take it personally...

that's why I will do my part to cease.  That's all...nothing more.  Yes, I am a big offender of this talk...I admit, I will do my part...that, and nothing more.  I just don't want people to feel discouraged...about anything....whether it be girls, men...a shitty flick, or a decent lick.
Title: Respect
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 25, 2003, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
but don't share them cause they may not fit into this "xixaxian behavior".  If you think there aren't a few that will in fact try to mold you...think again.  Don't "post like this", "post like this"...do this, and whatever you do, "don't ever disagree" with a few.


This is the age old question, isn't it? It comes down to this. Demanding respect on a message board is not censorship.

Quote from: aclockworkjj
Yes, I am a big offender of this talk...I admit, I will do my part...that, and nothing more.

Quote from: aclockworkjj
But do I think some are (guys and girls) tight wads that can't take a joke...yes.


You apologize and you apologize, but you still defend it, using the "I was trying to be funny and some people don't get it" line. In the words of Sean Connery, you're playing both sides.
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Post by: Gamblour. on October 25, 2003, 09:28:49 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
In the words of Sean Connery, you're playing both sides.


You mean..."You're plahying booth shidez." Sorry, but if there's one thing I've been gifted with, it's my Connery impression.
Title: Respect
Post by: godardian on October 25, 2003, 09:31:09 PM
Quote from: Gamblor the Manwhore
Quote from: godardian
I'm trying to paint you as some evil person.


Uh oh. A little flip of the singers...?


Come to think of it... I DID "flip singers"... avatar-wise.  :lol:
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Post by: Gamblour. on October 25, 2003, 09:36:20 PM
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: Gamblor the Manwhore
Quote from: godardian
I'm trying to paint you as some evil person.


Uh oh. A little flip of the singers...?


Come to think of it... I DID "flip singers"... avatar-wise.  :lol:


Ahh...very nicely done! I toss it up and you slam dunk it  :yabbse-tongue:
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 25, 2003, 09:38:00 PM
Alright, here is my 2 cents on this issue.

First off, I love women.  I don't mean that in just a sexual way.  Four of the (probably the top 5) most important people in my life are women.  The last two years of my life have been amazing (despite many very bad things happening) b/c of a girl.

I have noticed the comments and I guess my assumption with message boards is that everyone here is of the same demographic (straight college male), which is a very false presumption.  In fact, I don't know which members are females, so that has never influence my opinion on anyone.

I have been trying to think of offensive things I have said/done on this board.  I think the Jeter/Clemens photo is probably the closest, thinking about it now I can see how it could offend people.  

Mac's point is valid, and I think respect is important.  The option still exists though to avoid certain threads.  I think avatars are a problem though because they are kind of forced upon the readers, no matter the thread.

This board IS about film, but I think more of my personality has shown through non -film related posts (hell, read SHAFTR says...).

Anyways, for those I've insulted, I am sorry and if I could receive a PM about how I did so, I would like that.  So I know what I did and so I know what to avoid, and PMs are nice to get.

I understand how females are sometimes thought to be really hot girls who post.  I think that is male fantasy kicking in (she likes the same topics, what if she's hot too?  show me your boobs!).

This thread has also made me realize, in an indirect way, that I should throw in more of my film analysis (which is one reason why much respect goes to GT), than just comments of films (i liked it).

This is long, those of you who read it...thanks.
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 25, 2003, 09:41:08 PM
I don't know what's more sad:
The fact that things have gotten so out of hand on the board that we actually need to address this stuff and argue about it
OR
The fact that a bunch of dudes are sitting around posting about it on a Saturday night (present company guilty, of course)
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: SHAFTR
Jeter/Clemens photo

you hater!!!!....
Title: Respect
Post by: SHAFTR on October 25, 2003, 09:43:14 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndAct

The fact that a bunch of dudes are sitting around posting about it on a Saturday night (present company guilty, of course)


I'm at my g/f's apartment....does that help?
Title: Respect
Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 25, 2003, 09:45:26 PM
Quote from: SHAFTR
I'm at my g/f's apartment....does that help?

You're twice as sensitive now :wink:
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndAct
The fact that a bunch of dudes are sitting around posting about it on a Saturday night (present company guilty, of course)

guilty....as assumed.  THough the night is young, maybe a visitor later.
Title: Respect
Post by: MacGuffin on October 25, 2003, 10:06:37 PM
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Demanding respect on a message board is not censorship.


I'm not even demanding this request. I'm just stating that out of respect to our female members, we should be more mindful. Way I see it, there's nothing wrong with expressing the beauty of a woman, but when a thread about Uma Thurman goes to a discussion about her tits within a few posts... That's what I'm talking about. And GT is right, if the phrasing of the 'SEX' thread was different, I wouldn't have done this... But it was, so I did. It's not like that was the only thread with such vulgarities, just one I felt was the "last straw".

No where in my first post did I say 'these are the rules from now on' ('Quell' in my dictionary means supress; not extinguish). I didn't name names or point fingers and didn't accuse any one of being the sole culprit (I included myself, and that was the only person I named). I felt I expressed myself clearly enough that this issue should be addressed among us as a whole. I think some seem to have passed over the ladies who have posted their thoughts already, and I encourage you to go back and read them, and I hope more continue to do so. To end, I feel I got my idea across and those who understand it will take it to heart. Thank you.
Title: Respect
Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 11:05:26 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
You apologize and you apologize, but you still defend it, using the "I was trying to be funny and some people don't get it" line. In the words of Sean Connery, you're playing both sides.

either that or you continue to conjure up falsehoods about me to make your point seem relevant.  I said "sorry"  for for the "boobie" talk...as I didn't know it would offend....

But the stick up the ass can easily be directed yer way (not hatin')...you read like a ben stien ferris day off monotone.  you fabricate certainties and instead of adding a reply...you pick apart and quote each line of a given paragraph.

Jb...I like you...but you search of faults where they simply don't exist.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 25, 2003, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
either that or you continue to conjure up falsehoods about me to make your point seem relevant.


Right. Because I quoted two contradictory statements, and then said that you were contradicting yourself. Did I magically "conjure" these quotes?

Quote from: aclockworkjj
I said "sorry"  for for the "boobie" talk...as I didn't know it would offend....


...and you still spite the offended by saying they just don't get it. That's not an apology.

Quote from: aclockworkjj
you read like a ben stien ferris day off monotone.


What makes me sound like that? I'm curious.

For the record, I don't like Ben Stein. And I don't really like "Ferris Beuller's Day Off." It's really just another overrated John Hughes movie, don't you think?

Quote from: aclockworkjj
you fabricate certainties and instead of adding a reply...you pick apart and quote each line of a given paragraph . . . you search of faults where they simply don't exist.


I like to quote a lot so people can see exactly what I'm reacting to, and so they can't get away with what you just said ("they simply don't exist"). If I didn't quote like that, you would accuse me of making generalizations.
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 25, 2003, 11:27:00 PM
I went to a Ben Stein guest lecture.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 25, 2003, 11:29:31 PM
Quote from: SHAFTR
I went to a Ben Stein guest lecture.


He was a speech writer for Nixon, so I have a hard time trusting him. What did he talk about?
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 11:31:04 PM
quote this, quote that...play the devila advocated debater...

It means nothing...you don't present yer opinion unless it's putting down anothers.  It's a twisted symphonic glance trance.

Quote this next in yer reply...

Women...they control the world, they may not be leaders but they call the shots, they may not be in command, but they are the feeders...

men...we are the cheaters.

ps. I ment you read words here and add no tone...I would like to think you have sum bounce in yer step...
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Post by: pookiethecat on October 25, 2003, 11:37:20 PM
i don't want to enter the ring, so to speak, but i do want to say a few a things.

1. i shouldn't have started the 'i'm so sexy' thread.  it was a mistake and a really damaging one at that.  i was feeling oddly self confident and felt, against my better judgement, to post about it in a forum with a predominantly male online community.  it got a reaction, but not exactly the one i intended, as the first reply mentioned my age.  i thought it might be interesting to discuss different "getting hit on" stories, but it clearly took a turn for the worse as people demanded to see my picture.   i take full blame for this though, and deeply regret the way it hurt my xixax image.  

2. aclockworkjj's statements in the feature presentation section about "the graveyard" DID offend and annoy me.  they presumed that because i'm female, my opinion about the film was less valid.  then when i questioned him with logic, he refused to respond.  my comments in this thread were, in fact, directed towards him more than anyone else.  so he does have a certain right to feel that the majority of the bad behavior correlates to him.  though i think Godardian's point was that respect is a universal necessity for everyone, not just jj.  

3. it's not so much the mere fact that "boobies" are discussed-  but rather the WAY that they are are talked about.  like the old adage, it's not what it's about, it's how it's about it. and a really asinine (that word keeps on cropping up when i post about this topic) anti-intellectual tone persists.  sexuality is sexuality.  and it's a vital topic that has its place on xixax, but going overboard and discussing it in such a rudimentary way is boring and opens the door for offensive, disrespectful comments.  

4. jeremy blackman is a continually eloquent, considerate poster on xixax. i suppose the fact that he doesn't make obscene nonsensical posts will open him up for criticism as a bore.  this is probably the vaguest intangible critique.  just wanted to point that out.

alright.  i'm done, i think.
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 11:40:30 PM
Quote from: pookiethecat
i don't want to enter the ring, so to speak, but i do want to say a few a things.

1. i shouldn't have started the 'i'm so sexy' thread.  it was a mistake and a really damaging one at that.  i was feeling oddly self confident and felt, against my better judgement, to post about it in a forum with a predominantly male online community.  it got a reaction, but not exactly the one i intended, as the first reply mentioned my age.  i thought it might be interesting to discuss different "getting hit on" stories, but it clearly took a turn for the worse as people demanded to see my picture.   i take full blame for this though, and deeply regret the way it hurt my xixax image.  

2. aclockworkjj's statements in the feature presentation section about "the graveyard" DID offend and annoy me.  they presumed that because i'm female, my opinion about the film was less valid.  then when i questioned him with logic, he refused to respond.  my comments in this thread were, in fact, directed towards him more than anyone else.  so he does have a certain right to feel that the majority of the bad behavior correlates to him.  though i think Godardian's point was that respect is a universal not so jj-centric quality.  

3. it's not so much the mere fact that "boobies" are discussed-  but rather the WAY that they are are talked about.  like the old adage, it's not what it's about, it's how it's about it. and a really asinine (that word keeps on cropping up when i post about this topic) anti-intellectual tone persists.  sexuality is sexuality.  and it's a vital topic that has its place on xixax, but going overboard and discussing it in such a rudimentary way is boring and opens the door for offensive, disrespectful comments.  

4. jeremy blackman is a continually eloquent, considerate poster on xixax. i suppose the fact that he doesn't make obscene nonsensical posts makes him "boring" ?

congrats...you not only did what I was hoping for...but probably gained some respect in the process.


amen pookie.
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Post by: Newtron on October 25, 2003, 11:41:06 PM
ACJJ, I feel embarrassed when I read your posts. I cringe sometimes. Honestly.
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 11:43:24 PM
Quote from: Newtron
ACJJ, I feel embarrassed when I read your posts. I cringe sometimes. Honestly.

as I do with the above statement...really doh...tell me how to post then cum up with gems of such.  If only I could catch on...

continue the love as I have so much to give ...to you all....
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 25, 2003, 11:44:13 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
quote this, quote that...
 
It means nothing...


Uh... yeah. Please explain.

Quote from: aclockworkjj
Women...they control the world, they may not be leaders but they call the shots, they may not be in command, but they are the feeders...


Oh yes that idea, made famous by the great mysoginist Samuel Johnson. "Men in power are manipulated by women. Look how much bad stuff has come out of it already." It exposes a paradox of anti-feminism... they say women are apt manipulators but are easily manipulated, and forget that the men in power supposedly being manipulated by women are also easily manipulated. This is a classic reason used throughout history for oppressing women. (Look how dangerous they could be if they have any real power! And GOD, what if they VOTED?) Do you want to defend yourself, or take it back and tell me that's supposed to be funny?
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 11:50:04 PM
haha...keep fishin' sir...I am not saying any of that...

but cute quote.  wait till next year when you take another class, and contridict yer social relevence ..hence, a cheesy quote....really show me more than that joke....

I am suddenly reminded of this tool in Good Will Hunting,

nice apples, huh pumpkin?
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Post by: Newtron on October 25, 2003, 11:52:13 PM
Oh My God.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 25, 2003, 11:53:44 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
haha...keep fishin' sir...I am not saying any of that...


Then please correct me. What are you saying?

Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Do you want to defend yourself, or take it back and tell me that's supposed to be funny?
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 25, 2003, 11:57:11 PM
what do I have to defend?...has there been a female us president ...ever?...do I agree with?...no.  BUt just that notion is where I was coming from.  Not opinion...but fact...

go Hilary in 2004!!
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 25, 2003, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
what do I have to defend?


You know exactly what you have to defend. Asking me why you have to defend it is not a very good defense.

If you need a little nudge, here's the actual Samuel Johnson quote:

"Nature has given women so much power that the law has very wisely given them little."
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 26, 2003, 12:08:23 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
You know exactly what you have to defend.

no...so clarify muy brotha.....as I don't see the need.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 26, 2003, 12:20:47 AM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
no...so clarify muy brotha.....as I don't see the need.


Alright. You made this comment...

Quote from: aclockworkjj
Women...they control the world, they may not be leaders but they call the shots, they may not be in command, but they are the feeders...


...and I wondered why you said it. Do you really mean it? If you do mean it, please tell me how it's different from the stuff I mentioned above.

I'm not at all saying you think women shouldn't be allowed to vote. I'm just showing you where I've seen your idea before. So tell me... If women control the world, how much more power should they have? No more power? Less power? Are you saying that the oppression of women is exaggerated? Please... you really need to explain this, considering how serious the implications are.
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 26, 2003, 12:28:00 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
...and I wondered why you said it. Do you really mean it?

yes...I do mean it...and although you turned it into sum polictial, societial movement...I was simply just referring to the fact that if a women (cute girl, that I respected) said hop on one foot and scream like a dog in heat...

...I would only ask in which corner of the room she wants me.  

There was no social implications there other than fact I brought up the us govt.  Sorry I went that route, but no doubt...there has yet to be a woman in the chair...the notion to me is cnot oo..but .it does not scare.

Quote from: Newtron
Sweet Jesus, please end this pain.

and this guy continues to amaze me with his enlightening posts...wow...fig newton...if only I woulda listened to yer advice on how, what, when, and why to post....

keep up the good work, as I am overally jealous by yer original content.   :wink:
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Post by: Newtron on October 26, 2003, 12:31:23 AM
Sweet Jesus, please end this pain.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 26, 2003, 12:59:11 AM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
yes...I do mean it...and although you turned it into sum polictial, societial movement...I was simply just referring to the fact that if a women (cute girl, that I respected) said hop on one foot and scream like a dog in heat...


I'm sorry, but saying "women rule the world" has political implications (and social ones), whether you're talking about government or everyday life.

If you're saying you would hop on one foot for this "cute girl," are you saying that women are powerful because of their sexual power over men? Cause this is another mysoginist idea (with a long history) that we could go into. I don't mean to say that you have the same intentions, but it really is amazing how closely your ideas are echoing those of famous mysoginists (Goya is the first that comes to mind). In such situations, hopping on one foot or not, aren't men a slave of their own sexuality rather than helpless victims of women (who apparently rule the world)?
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 26, 2003, 01:03:31 AM
:::hops on one foot:::

a beautiful woman is a powerful thing....realize it.  I mean nothing more than as clear as I stated there.  

Women...they rock...and have more influence than given credit for.
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 26, 2003, 01:14:51 AM
JJ, come on man. You're blindly running in circles here for no good reason, and it's clear to everyone but you, it seems. You should strengthen your argument, if you have one, or else stop bickering and return to making constructive comments in other threads.
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 26, 2003, 01:21:39 AM
So, if I have my history correct: P bans JJ, when it gets revoked, he leaves.  And this is what we end up with.  Sheesh!
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 26, 2003, 01:22:50 AM
Quote from: Weak2ndAct
So, if I have my history correct: P bans JJ, when it gets revoked, he leaves.  And this is what we end up with.  Sheesh!

just lyke life...it's a bitch.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 26, 2003, 01:31:59 AM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
Women...they rock...and have more influence than given credit for.


So people complaining about women not having enough power are just not giving women enough credit? Those silly feminists, they don't know how much power they really have, and they're actually degrading themselves by asking for more, because they already have enough, but they don't realize it?

How else do you reconcile this with "women rule the world"?

Changing your statement is not the same as explaining it. In fact, as you can see, it's just making things more complicated. You haven't explained anything, you've just run around in circles. All I want is an explanation, and you eventually have to run out of slippery things to say. Let's make it easy.
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 26, 2003, 01:33:51 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: SHAFTR
I went to a Ben Stein guest lecture.


He was a speech writer for Nixon, so I have a hard time trusting him. What did he talk about?


Well, I hate to intervene during this conversation but I will answer the question.  He was interesting, very conservative but he had very important things he said that at the time I took heart in.  He did the "Bueller, Bueller" quote (sp? on Bueller?).  I'm not a huge Stein fan but after that I respect him a lot.
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 26, 2003, 02:19:26 AM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
Quote from: Weak2ndAct
So, if I have my history correct: P bans JJ, when it gets revoked, he leaves.  And this is what we end up with.  Sheesh!

just lyke life...it's a bitch.

So's payback.  I seriously hope that these ten page threads containing all this wishy-washy double-talk crap finally result in some um, justice.
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Post by: Lucinda Bryte on October 26, 2003, 03:18:16 AM
Honestly the only other board I've been to that is mostly guys is far worse than this and I was used to the vulgarity there and I guess I just got used to it. I just figured that is how all guys are and I should just live with it. If that's who you are, then it's not really my place to try to change you because I wouldn't want someone trying to change me.

Bah what do I know. I don't even know what this thread is about anymore.
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Post by: phil marlowe on October 26, 2003, 06:54:39 AM
holy shit, did this thread just grow eight pages in one day? that's crazy...

i can't know if this kinda talk is offensive to the women of this site but it's definatly annoying to me and i've stopped reading all the 'i can't get a girl'(not that the intentions are wrong with these but the content semms to change quickly) threads a long time ago.

I've expressed my feeling toward acjj numerous times before and it hasn't really changed a bit, i still can't take any of his posts serious cos they all look like hot air to me. just do us all a favour and stop posting this damn much.
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Post by: Pas on October 26, 2003, 08:28:37 AM
The P sacrifice was in vain. Let's mourn.
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Post by: Banky on October 26, 2003, 09:51:12 AM
lets all be honest, this is somehow all that piece of shit JJ's fault
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Post by: molly on October 26, 2003, 11:32:55 AM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
:::hops on one foot:::

a beautiful woman is a powerful thing....realize it.  I mean nothing more than as clear as I stated there.  

Women...they rock...and have more influence than given credit for.


Does that mean that a woman can't write a novel, a script ....whatever and see her idea in work just like that, but she has to trick some powerful man with her beauty and have everything done through him?
Because, I live in a country that claims that everything is for free (healthcare, university) and still you can't see the results of your work and efforts unless you pay some money to the person who is in charge. It's called corruption. And it's endless. People keep popping up and demanding money if you want to get what belongs to you. Everything is one big fat lie, and due to that, our economy is going down, while some people unexpectedly walk around dressed in Gucci, Armani...Those are the ones in "powerful positions", and it might include somebody who has finished only elementary school, comes to work when he wants, gets drunk on work because all he does is receiving his many friends (guys like that always have them many), allows his friend and their friend special offers for a certain price. Everythin has to go through him, what doesn't - it's like it doesn't exist. Guys like that are running minor banks.
So you see why our economy is going down, the "friends" are no better than that owful man in charge.
So, I ask you, when you say that a beautiful woman is a powerful thing, do you mean it'll pay off if a woman who wants to be a physician, goes on a plastic surgery, or hopping on one foot is the best she can hope for?
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Post by: cine on October 26, 2003, 11:52:03 AM
Quote from: molly
So, I ask you, when you say that a beautiful woman is a powerful thing, do you mean it'll pay off if a woman who wants to be a physician, goes on a plastic surgery, or hopping on one foot is the best she can hope for?

Oh Molly, please.. PLEASE let's all just bring this thread back to normalcy now. Just assume he meant nothing by it so we can all move on and use this thread for what it's used for.. and not some outlet for people to fight with others about viewpoints on women.. seriously, just PM each other so this doesn't grow another unnecessary 8 pages.. It's incredibly tedious stuff.
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Post by: molly on October 26, 2003, 11:55:12 AM
you're right :roll: People here are not bad, and those who are, don't come here in visit
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Post by: RegularKarate on October 26, 2003, 12:04:21 PM
There's no avoiding the fact that JJ's a bit of a misogynist.  There's seriously no avoiding that's just how he obviously is, so, let's get on with things... really.  If you think you can change him, fine, good luck, send him a PM.
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Post by: cine on October 26, 2003, 12:06:35 PM
At this point, I'd just prefer to try preventing instead of perpetuating... out of Respect for some on this board.
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Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 26, 2003, 12:22:05 PM
Well hey now, we're not getting all touchy all of the sudden, are we?

I agree, some things don't need to be said.  (Don't visit the joke thread to question my integrity on being politically correct)

I agree we need to stop swarming women once they hit the board, but we're not suddenly giving special treatment to them because of it, right?

I'm just nipping the bud before we run the double standard of "pay attention to what you say when talking to women."  And I know what you're thinking.  Pay attention to what you say when you say it to anyone.  That's ok, too.  From what I've seen on this board, for the most part, everyone's mature enough to know what's too far.
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 26, 2003, 12:36:25 PM
Quote from: molly
So, I ask you, when you say that a beautiful woman is a powerful thing, do you mean it'll pay off if a woman who wants to be a physician, goes on a plastic surgery, or hopping on one foot is the best she can hope for?

it all depends on what they want.  I am not saying their aren't barriers, in fact, I even disagree with them. There will always be some asshole to limit things.  Even looking on a global level, the are some cultures where women and men have set, defined roles.  I don't like that idea either.  I am a big believer in anyone can (and should be able to) do anything they want...I realize there are situations all over where this isn't even fathomable.

But assuming we are talking about a complex society... sure, it may suck getting there, there will be dipshits standing in the way. but is it better to scream repression than to learn how to work the system?  If someone needs  a boost, I hope they get it and do something productive with it.

so, no, hopping on one foot is only the start of the evening...

JB (sorry I pick on you) and such believe that a modern day utopia is achieveable...I don't see it happening.  The world can be a shitty ass place sometimes.  Yes, there definately are things that could be changed to reach total equaity.  I won't disagree with those either, just the people not making use of the advantages that are obtainable.  

So when I say a beautiful woman (or I coulda even said guy or that matter) is a powerful thing, it's not necessarly a pure sexual reference in nature.  But more that in society it is an attention grabber.  Scencerio: you are walking down the street...the woman (or man) in the red dress (suit) passes you by..you will look twice.  Everyone will, it's just human nature.  Do I agree with these almost certainies?...no.  But I don't deny they exist.

And for the seriousness (ps. this is a message board :wink: ) of these misogynist notions, I am sorry they just don't exist.  I coulda easily referred any and all points to a guy..just sounds kinda goofy hearing me say..."Whoa, check out da dudes pecs."
Quote from: Walrus, Kookookajoob
Well hey now, we're not getting all touchy all of the sudden, are we?

I know...sheet...we chill.
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Post by: cine on October 26, 2003, 12:54:13 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
I coulda easily referred any and all points to a guy..just sounds kinda goofy hearing me say..."Whoa, check out da dudes pecs."

And on that note:
(http://zuul.gotdns.com/glitternet/programmes/images/heman.jpg)

Discussion of aesthetics for the women: How do YOU define beauty in a man?
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Post by: bonanzataz on October 26, 2003, 02:31:08 PM
taz, upon visiting xixax after the weeked has ended and finding a new thread that's reached 9 pages =  :yabbse-shocked:



you guys are a bunch of pussies...






and i mean that in the most respectful way possible.
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Post by: Sleuth on October 26, 2003, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz
taz, upon visiting xixax after the weeked has ended and finding a new thread that's reached 9 pages =  :yabbse-shocked:



you guys are a bunch of pussies...






and i mean that in the most respectful way possible.


Best Admin
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Post by: Banky on October 26, 2003, 03:43:37 PM
no one aknowledged my JJ joke on page 8.....

I guess no one thought it was a joke

It was though
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Post by: bonanzataz on October 26, 2003, 03:53:41 PM
oh, here i go, banky. i'm about to acknowledge that...

that was so hilarious! you should be a stand up comic! do you write your own material? if so, you are the most clever and original person on this board.

seriously though, did you want a medal or something?


i'm just fucking with you.
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Post by: Banky on October 26, 2003, 03:56:37 PM
no i got plenty of metals

somone referred to it as if i was being serious and really i wanted just my boy JJ to aknowledge it

but if a sarcastic admin. wants to, hey thats fine by me.
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Post by: GodDamnImDaMan on October 26, 2003, 04:14:22 PM
Girls have cooties...

PERIOD!


Cooties = VD's  :shock:
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Post by: ębrad on October 26, 2003, 04:18:20 PM
Quote from: Gloria
Wow. Don't visit xixax for a few days and you fall behind in all the drama   :?

To get back to the initial theme in this thread:

MacGuffin was smart to bring this to the attention of everyone here at xixax.  Being a woman, I did notice a few of the threads getting a little out of hand. I usually tried to avoid any thread that I felt uncomfortable posting in (even if the thread started out as something harmless, like 'Uma Thurman' as mentioned earlier.)  

Most everyone here is awesome and I enjoy visiting here.  We are a community, and as a community we need to respect and look out for the well-being of all of our members.  MacGuffin brought the problem to everyone's attention in a sensitive and non-confrontational way that is truely admirable. I agree completely with his post and I am glad most of xixax seems to also  :)

I hope now that the problem has been brought to attention, this community of movie-lovers can mature and continue to be a fun, movie-driven forum with everyone's interests in mind.


yes, yes, and yes.

phew. i need a nap after reading all of this thread. all good points though, esp. from godardian, jeremy, gold t, pookie the cat, gloria, mac, rk, xixax, and pretty much everyone else besides acjj.
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Post by: Cecil on October 26, 2003, 04:31:14 PM
r-e-s-p-e-c-t
find out what it means to me
r-e-s-p...

ok ill shut up now
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 26, 2003, 05:01:26 PM
Walrus:
Um, considering the climate around here, I would reconsider that AV...
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 26, 2003, 05:21:32 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
There will always be some asshole to limit things.  Even looking on a global level, the are some cultures where women and men have set, defined roles.


Right, and we don't have that?

Quote from: aclockworkjj
but is it better to scream repression than to learn how to work the system?


The system always swallows you up. That's why its a system. When you join the system, you become part of it. If you don't become part of it, you are kicked out. How's that for repression? (I think you mean "oppression")

Quote from: aclockworkjj
JB (sorry I pick on you) and such believe that a modern day utopia is achieveable...I don't see it happening.


Okay, let me clear it up. Utopia is impossible. But saying "the world sucks" and doing nothing doesn't make you any more productive than the person who is "sreaming repression" and makes a dent, however small.

Quote from: aclockworkjj
So when I say a beautiful woman (or I coulda even said guy or that matter) is a powerful thing, it's not necessarly a pure sexual reference in nature.


If you're saying its hard-wired and natural, how could it not have sexual implications? That's what's at our animal core. Sex. You can use the word "beautiful" to disguise it, but you know what the motivation is.
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Post by: molly on October 26, 2003, 05:42:33 PM
aclockworkjj wrote:
So when I say a beautiful woman (or I coulda even said guy or that matter) is a powerful thing, it's not necessarly a pure sexual reference in nature.


If you're saying its hard-wired and natural, how could it not have sexual implications? That's what's at our animal core. Sex. You can use the word "beautiful" to disguise it, but you know what the motivation is.

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maybe he thought of Mother Theresa, a beautiful personality :?:
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Post by: GodDamnImDaMan on October 26, 2003, 06:36:05 PM
to sure i do infact love the women on these boards i changed my name...
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 26, 2003, 06:39:38 PM
I think everyone has gotten the point of this thread. I ask someone to just close the thread. Its becoming so large so quickly it is gaining 'Peace Out' status. If not closed, I think it may gain the same notoriety of Peace Out by being distractive to other things prolly more worthy of conversation.

~rougerum
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Post by: cine on October 26, 2003, 08:14:07 PM
And I made an attempt to change the subject so the females could talk about their beliefs on males... no response from females and more bickering about other things. I had low expectations, but fuck it anyhow.
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Post by: neatahwanta on October 26, 2003, 08:41:33 PM
Bullshit man, lockeroom talk is sexcellent, and chicks need to hear it sooner or later...as if they don't do the same in their circles.  Lame thread.   :yabbse-thumbdown:
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Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 26, 2003, 08:45:11 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndAct
Walrus:
Um, considering the climate around here, I would reconsider that AV...


Pfffffffffffffffffffffffft.
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Post by: pookiethecat on October 26, 2003, 08:55:59 PM
Quote from: Cinephile
And I made an attempt to change the subject so the females could talk about their beliefs on males...


Well, as to Pookie's view on males...

I really don't believe there is too much of a difference between men and women. I think we're all just people.  Which is why this whole 'boys will boys' thing is idiotic and insulting- especially to men who seem to possess a brain.  how about we change the phrase to "idiots will be idiots"?
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Post by: Cecil on October 26, 2003, 08:57:01 PM
pookie, once again, you are correct
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Post by: pookiethecat on October 26, 2003, 08:59:12 PM
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pookie, once again, you are correct


thanks.
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Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 26, 2003, 09:04:00 PM
I'd have to agree with pookie.  It's not women have a likelihood of being emotionally irrational and men are apt to not be able to communicate with their partner.

It's society telling them that's how it is.  I mean, our brains have been proven to function differently, but not so drastically different that we have to live up to stereotypes.  If a guy writes happy poetry, he's a fag.  If a girl shaves her head and dosen't wear a bra, she's a dyke.

God bless America.
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Post by: cine on October 26, 2003, 09:04:22 PM
Quote from: pookiethecat
Quote from: Cinephile
And I made an attempt to change the subject so the females could talk about their beliefs on males...


Well, as to Pookie's view on males...

I really don't believe there is too much of a difference between men and women. I think we're all just people.  Which is why this whole 'boys will boys' thing is idiotic and insulting- especially to men who seem to possess a brain.  how about we change the phrase to "idiots will be idiots"?

Pookie, I think you missed what my initial topic question was.
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 26, 2003, 09:04:23 PM
...i think that to get the true feelings of men and women we need to hang out w/ fraternities and sororities....and use deductive reasoning...


..
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Post by: pookiethecat on October 26, 2003, 09:08:03 PM
Quote from: Cinephile
Pookie, I think you missed what my initial topic question was.


Yikes, sorry.  You mind rephrasing it?
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 26, 2003, 09:09:03 PM
men haters!!!

http://www.ihatemen.com/
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Post by: pookiethecat on October 26, 2003, 09:12:48 PM
Quote from: NEON MERCURY
...i think that to get the true feelings of men and women we need to hang out w/ fraternities and sororities....and use deductive reasoning...


..


and what would this tell us?  that men are beer-guzzling sports fanatics and that women are gossipping bitches?
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 26, 2003, 09:15:54 PM
Quote from: pookiethecat
Quote from: NEON MERCURY
...i think that to get the true feelings of men and women we need to hang out w/ fraternities and sororities....and use deductive reasoning...


..


and what would this tell us?  that men are beer-guzzling sports fanatics and that women are gossipping bitches?



..i was jOKing ...i am rather funny in an unfunny way......
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Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 26, 2003, 09:19:34 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
men haters!!!

http://www.ihatemen.com/


I went there and pondered if it was a joke site like

http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com

But I doubt it, and that's sad.
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Post by: pookiethecat on October 26, 2003, 09:22:18 PM
Quote from: NEON MERCURY
Quote from: pookiethecat
Quote from: NEON MERCURY
...i think that to get the true feelings of men and women we need to hang out w/ fraternities and sororities....and use deductive reasoning...


..


and what would this tell us?  that men are beer-guzzling sports fanatics and that women are gossipping bitches?



..i was jOKing ...i am rather funny in an unfunny way......


no actually i think you might be onto something as much as i was quick to judge.  i mean, the two do seem to epitomize what's male and what's female in our society.  is anything more masculine than being a "frat guy."?  is there anything more feminine than being a sorority sister?  you mighta been joking but it's an interesting notion nonetheless.
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Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 26, 2003, 09:28:50 PM
Quote from: pookiethecat
Quote from: NEON MERCURY
Quote from: pookiethecat
Quote from: NEON MERCURY
...i think that to get the true feelings of men and women we need to hang out w/ fraternities and sororities....and use deductive reasoning...


..


and what would this tell us?  that men are beer-guzzling sports fanatics and that women are gossipping bitches?



..i was jOKing ...i am rather funny in an unfunny way......


no actually i think you might be onto something as much as i was quick to judge.  i mean, the two do seem to epitomize what's male and what's female in our society.  is anything more masculine than being a "frat guy."?  is there anything more feminine than being a sorority sister?  you mighta been joking but it's an interesting notion nonetheless.


It'd be a nice sociology experiment, but instead of studying them why don't we gather them and gas them?
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Post by: blackmamba on October 26, 2003, 09:31:56 PM
I am a chick, and I wasn't offended at all. I'll admit some members are a little excessive, but I am not about to limit them, that's their business.
I am not saying you girls don't have the right to feel how you feel, I just thought I should voice my opinion as well.
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Post by: cine on October 26, 2003, 09:32:00 PM
Conversation is getting a little meatier now but earlier I tried changing the subject such that females could discuss something that maybe they want to talk about.
Quote from: I
Discussion of aesthetics for the women: How do YOU define beauty in a man?
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Post by: Lucinda Bryte on October 26, 2003, 09:40:27 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
men haters!!!

http://www.ihatemen.com/


http://www.older-men.com
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 26, 2003, 09:51:48 PM
Quote from: Lucinda Bryte
Quote from: aclockworkjj
men haters!!!

http://www.ihatemen.com/


http://www.older-men.com

younger guy hater!!!   :-D

...ok, that's nasty...haha.
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Post by: GodDamnImDaMan on October 26, 2003, 10:09:54 PM
my views on women can be seen here....http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=2873&highlight=
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Post by: aclockworkjj on October 26, 2003, 10:10:15 PM
Quote from: Cinephile
Discussion of aesthetics for the women: How do YOU define beauty in a man?

I dunno...but I would say this is pretty darn close to the definition of man beauty (I mean, if i swung dat way):
:
(http://pix2.hotornot.com/pics/HQ/HR/NL/HY/KEAZGERWLLXF.jpg)
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Post by: GodDamnImDaMan on October 26, 2003, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: aclockworkjj
Quote from: Cinephile
Discussion of aesthetics for the women: How do YOU define beauty in a man?

I dunno...but I would say this is pretty darn close to the definition of man beauty (I mean, if i swung dat way):
:
(http://pix2.hotornot.com/pics/HQ/HR/NL/HY/KEAZGERWLLXF.jpg)


Damn that mans last name should be....SEXY!!!!

Hi im George Michae.......er.....Mr. Sexy...
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Post by: bonanzataz on October 26, 2003, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: Lucinda Bryte
Quote from: aclockworkjj
men haters!!!

http://www.ihatemen.com/


http://www.older-men.com


lucinda, forget about the fact that you're a woman, and chew on this...


i hate you.
 :yabbse-cry:
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Post by: Lucinda Bryte on October 27, 2003, 09:35:48 AM
Quote from: bonanzataz
Quote from: Lucinda Bryte
Quote from: aclockworkjj
men haters!!!

http://www.ihatemen.com/


http://www.older-men.com


lucinda, forget about the fact that you're a woman, and chew on this...


i hate you.
 :yabbse-cry:


 :yabbse-thumbup:  :mrgreen: