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The Director's Chair => Quentin Tarantino => Topic started by: luctruff on October 10, 2003, 04:41:15 AM

Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: luctruff on October 10, 2003, 04:41:15 AM
so do you guys see any comparisons between the two?  I could include some of Altman as well.  But do you think Tarantino and Godard are on the same page or complete opposites.  I can't decide.  But I find myself linking the two together.  
I enjoy Godard more than tarantino.  they both show their love for films.  but godard destroys the fourth wall (or whatever it's called) and tarntino loves to show his admiration of certain film genres.  so they are different in that godard laughs at the process of films and the reality and fantasy of it all, while tarantino enjoys the fact that he's making something that is pure fantasy.  The thing that links them together, i think, is a need to add their twist on films of the past, but not quite make it a spoof.
not a completely realized idea, as it just came to me, but maybe someone can add something to this...
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: Cecil on October 10, 2003, 06:50:04 AM
i see the link. tarantino talks about godard on the reservoirs dogs 10th anniversary dvd
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: eward on October 10, 2003, 07:48:12 AM
he says godard was just a phase
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: SoNowThen on October 10, 2003, 08:53:55 AM
the correct thread title is: Tarantino and Melville


but yeah, I think QT likes to borrow ideas from JLG, too. but hey, what self-respecting director doesn't?
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: luctruff on October 10, 2003, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
the correct thread title is: Tarantino and Melville


I don't know much about Melville.  Are they alike at all?
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: Teen Wolf on October 10, 2003, 06:36:19 PM
Stylistically I don't see any similarities. I think the early Godard is similar to Tarantino insofar as their exuberance and love of movies is concerned. They both love cheap American gangster films...
Title: Re: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: godardian on October 10, 2003, 08:21:50 PM
Quote from: luctruff
so do you guys see any comparisons between the two?  I could include some of Altman as well.  But do you think Tarantino and Godard are on the same page or complete opposites.  I can't decide.  But I find myself linking the two together.  
I enjoy Godard more than tarantino.  they both show their love for films.  but godard destroys the fourth wall (or whatever it's called) and tarntino loves to show his admiration of certain film genres.  so they are different in that godard laughs at the process of films and the reality and fantasy of it all, while tarantino enjoys the fact that he's making something that is pure fantasy.  The thing that links them together, i think, is a need to add their twist on films of the past, but not quite make it a spoof.
not a completely realized idea, as it just came to me, but maybe someone can add something to this...


They use similar techniques, but to very, very different ends. Godard is so much more cerebral than Tarantino, and Tarantino is so much more visceral than Godard, that even though a comparison seems apt because of their freedom and irreverence when it comes to genres/styles, I don't see much meaningful similarity between the two.

If I had to pick one, I would choose Godard with total certainty.
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: tpfkabi on October 12, 2003, 02:13:22 PM
i was thinking this the other day.
they both had studied films religiously before even making one, so they both already knew the in's and out's of film making.
with this knowledge they both do/did things "you're not supposed to do" in filmmaking.
Godard was definitely more extreme in this practice
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: Cecil on October 14, 2003, 10:17:35 PM
my film teacher once said "ah yes, tarantino. its like... godard made fun"

just to make it clear, he loves godard. hes one of his top 3 favorite filmmakers
Title: Re: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 14, 2003, 10:24:44 PM
Quote from: luctruff
so do you guys see any comparisons between the two?  


::does his best roadruner impression sprinkled w/ a little gilbert godfrey and a dash of moxie::

-"ummm...ummm...A-HA! they are both film-makers "


"i lost 5 lbs. BTW
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: SHAFTR on October 14, 2003, 11:11:05 PM
I think Godard's earlier films and Tarantino match up well.
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: soixante on October 15, 2003, 01:21:38 PM
In Band of Outsiders, the characters break into an impromptu dance routine at a cafe, and perhaps that influenced Tarantino to stage the Travolta-Uma dance at Jack Rabbit Slim's.

Tarantino stages scenes in Pulp Fictino and NBK with characters having long conversations in corridors, which reminds me of Godard, especially Alphaville.

Tarantino was inspired by 70's exploitation movies the way Godard was inspired by American B-movies of the 40's.
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: SoNowThen on October 15, 2003, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: soixante
In Band of Outsiders, the characters break into an impromptu dance routine at a cafe, and perhaps that influenced Tarantino to stage the Travolta-Uma dance at Jack Rabbit Slim's.

Tarantino stages scenes in Pulp Fictino and NBK with characters having long conversations in corridors, which reminds me of Godard, especially Alphaville.

Tarantino was inspired by 70's exploitation movies the way Godard was inspired by American B-movies of the 40's.


adding to the first point: I believe QT had Uma mimmick some of Anna Karina's dance moves from My Life To Live as well...
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: godardian on October 15, 2003, 02:47:54 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Quote from: soixante
In Band of Outsiders, the characters break into an impromptu dance routine at a cafe, and perhaps that influenced Tarantino to stage the Travolta-Uma dance at Jack Rabbit Slim's.

Tarantino stages scenes in Pulp Fictino and NBK with characters having long conversations in corridors, which reminds me of Godard, especially Alphaville.

Tarantino was inspired by 70's exploitation movies the way Godard was inspired by American B-movies of the 40's.


adding to the first point: I believe QT had Uma mimmick some of Anna Karina's dance moves from My Life To Live as well...


Not to mention hairstyle/"look."

Still, all peripheral likenesses. Very, very different purposes; very different inspiration/motivation to be a filmmaker, I would think. Godard made film essays; Tarantino makes film bull-sessions.
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: prophet on October 15, 2003, 03:06:23 PM
limp dick limp work?
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: godardian on October 15, 2003, 03:20:44 PM
Quote from: prophet
limp dick limp work?
:?:
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: prophet on October 15, 2003, 07:37:01 PM
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/mediathek/0,1903,VI-2038752,00.html

FF to the end
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: godardian on October 15, 2003, 10:04:49 PM
Quote from: prophet
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/mediathek/0,1903,VI-2038752,00.html

FF to the end


Ah yes... this reminds me of why, my healthy admiration for his fimmaking abilities aside, I could stand to never hear Quentin Tarantino speaking "in person" again.

He and Oliver Stone should start a Crackpot Director's Club, where they can gather around a shrine to Sam Fuller and talk out of their asses. Maybe get it out of their system and spare us...
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: MacGuffin on May 20, 2005, 07:05:56 AM
Godard Slams Tarantino

Legendary director Jean-Luc Godard has hit out at Quentin Tarantino - one of his biggest admirers - for using the title of one of his 1960s films without financially rewarding him. Maverick film-maker Tarantino took the name Band A Parte (Band Of Outsiders) from the New Wave icon's 1964 movie and used it as the name for his production company. But Breathless filmmaker Godard, 74, is less than impressed by the Pulp Fiction director's intended flattery. He says, "Tarantino named his production company after one of my films. He would have done better to give me some money."
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: cowboykurtis on May 20, 2005, 01:11:35 PM
its sad when your hero hates you
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: Raikus on May 20, 2005, 04:41:27 PM
It's sad when your hero wants to borrow money.
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: cowboykurtis on May 20, 2005, 05:59:53 PM
Quote from: soixante
In Band of Outsiders, the characters break into an impromptu dance routine at a cafe, and perhaps that influenced Tarantino to stage the Travolta-Uma dance at Jack Rabbit Slim's.


I was thinking about this the other day - I am positive (thought can not prove) that the dancing sequence at Jack Rabbit's was taken from the scene in 81/2 at the Spa, where Marcello's older friend is dancing with his young lover with the dark black hair  (looks strikingly similar to uma thurman hair).

The dance moves, the camera angles - tit for tat as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: tpfkabi on May 20, 2005, 07:19:27 PM
i believe somewhere on the Reservoir Dogs DVD Tarantino says he doesn't really care much for Godard anymore.
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: Pubrick on May 21, 2005, 06:57:12 AM
Quote from: bigideas
i believe somewhere on the Reservoir Dogs DVD Tarantino says he doesn't really care much for Godard anymore.

so he has some sense afterall..
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: nix on May 21, 2005, 01:19:07 PM
I respect and admire Godard but fuck, can't you just be flattered that someone once loved you enough to name his proco after you?

I hope that if I ever become a successful filmmaker, I don't transform into an egocentric prick.
Title: Tarantino and Godard
Post by: soixante on May 21, 2005, 03:52:23 PM
Godard should get money from Alphaville Productions, the folks who brought you Dazed and Confused.