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The Director's Chair => Quentin Tarantino => Topic started by: brockly on September 25, 2003, 05:21:00 AM

Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: brockly on September 25, 2003, 05:21:00 AM
In an interview in the Empire magazine, November, Quentin got all riled up about The Matrix and the use of evil CGI in movies. This hatred apparently started when director Luc Besson brought Keanu Reeves to an early screening of Kill Bill.
 
'I watched Keanu watching and I suddenly felt it. You know, my guys are all real. There's no computer fucking around. I'm sick to death of all that shit. This is old school with fucking cameras. If i'd wanted all that computer game bullshit, I'd have gone home and stuck my dick in my Nintendo.
 
'This CGI bullshit is the death knell of cinema. Movies are far too fucking expensive at the moment and it's killing the fucking art form. The way it's going, in ten year's time it will officially be killed.'
 
Well said Tarantino!

Anyway, what you guys all think of the new trailer?

If you haven't seen it's here
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808404742&cf=trailer

I think it might be on the official site too, im not sure. please don't kill me if im repeating shit here.
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: The Silver Bullet on September 25, 2003, 05:40:03 AM
You are:

http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=3691
Title: Re: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: Cecil on September 25, 2003, 09:35:17 AM
Quote from: Brock Landers
please don't kill me if im repeating shit here.


(http://www.netreach.net/~bundyman/tommy.jpg)
(and i apologize if this is out of context and doesnt work)
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: SoNowThen on September 25, 2003, 09:45:07 AM
Wait a minute... I'm confused...

if QT had mentioned Westerns, or My Cousin Vinny, this would work... but as it stands it just disrupts everything. Dammit, Cecil, it's just no good.
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: eward on September 25, 2003, 09:49:12 AM
hehe.
Title: Re: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: İbrad on September 25, 2003, 11:07:04 AM
Quote from: Brock Landers
In an interview in the Empire magazine, November, Quentin got all riled up about The Matrix and the use of evil CGI in movies. This hatred apparently started when director Luc Besson brought Keanu Reeves to an early screening of Kill Bill.
 
'I watched Keanu watching and I suddenly felt it. You know, my guys are all real. There's no computer fucking around. I'm sick to death of all that shit. This is old school with fucking cameras. If i'd wanted all that computer game bullshit, I'd have gone home and stuck my dick in my Nintendo.
 
'This CGI bullshit is the death knell of cinema. Movies are far too fucking expensive at the moment and it's killing the fucking art form. The way it's going, in ten year's time it will officially be killed.'
 
Well said Tarantino!

Anyway, what you guys all think of the new trailer?

If you haven't seen it's here
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808404742&cf=trailer

I think it might be on the official site too, im not sure. please don't kill me if im repeating shit here.


- totally disagree w/ him here. u mean to tell me he hasn't used any cgi in kill bill? from the looks of the trailer a good majority of those shots (the bullet from the gun, the plane) are comepltely cgi!

i don't get what the big deal is here. cgi is a tool just like anything else, and when its done right it works.
Title: Re: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: Banky on September 25, 2003, 12:52:56 PM
Quote from: İdawg
- totally disagree w/ him here. u mean to tell me he hasn't used any cgi in kill bill? from the looks of the trailer a good majority of those shots (the bullet from the gun, the plane) are comepltely cgi!

i don't get what the big deal is here. cgi is a tool just like anything else, and when its done right it works.


fuck yeah.  i obviously respect Tarantinos opinion but i mean it was the Wachowskis stylistic choice to try to advance the film.
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: Redlum on September 25, 2003, 01:52:39 PM
I think he's just exaggerating to make a point here but  he's right in many respects.

the point he's making really is, CGI is expensive> through its overuse people expect more and more of it> more money goes into big effects movies> less money allocated for smaller films.

thats just a line of thought I dont know how true it is. But whats interesting here is that Tarantino has just made (hopefully) a brilliant action movie to rival its recent 'compeitiors' in that genre, using traditional techniques, that perhaps work out a lot better.

Yes, he's obviously used some CGI, but as with most films, this works best sparingly.

I often wonder how well a full blown, summer action movie directed by PTA, Tarantino or other greats would turn out.
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: SHAFTR on September 25, 2003, 01:58:09 PM
Tarantino cracks my shit up.
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: İbrad on September 25, 2003, 05:37:08 PM
i don't see too big a difference btwn. cgi and animation. they both have the power/freedom to manipulate images. kill bill has animation in it yes? where do u draw the line btwn. that and cgi? they're both done on computers. no sense it makes.
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: Gold Trumpet on September 25, 2003, 07:07:00 PM
Animation is completely different than CGI. For Tarantino and animation, I don't think he is using animation in his film more than to add a minor layer and have another element of his film in direct reference to another big thing in asian cinema, the japenese anime. Kill Bill seems to be him commenting on the Asian cinema he was influenced by.

Animation though is its own world. CGI gets criticized because it is trying to replace other special effects in real life movies. The effect just isn't that good. Yea, many movies with CGI are sci fi films so using artificial effects can't really be ignored, but with CGI in comparison to more traditional effects in older sci fi films, the quality just isn't as good. Its believability as being real just isn't there the same way other effects, such as real models and such, can represent in those kind of movies. Its just the use of CGI are in basic movies and carry an artificiality that doesn't complement the basic movies as much. Animation films are great because they are only animation and withing that world.

~rougerum
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: SHAFTR on September 25, 2003, 10:55:32 PM
Quote from: İdawg
i don't see too big a difference btwn. cgi and animation. they both have the power/freedom to manipulate images. kill bill has animation in it yes? where do u draw the line btwn. that and cgi? they're both done on computers. no sense it makes.


Animation is meant to be noticed, cgi isn't.
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: İbrad on September 26, 2003, 02:45:31 PM
Quote from: SHAFTR
Quote from: İdawg
i don't see too big a difference btwn. cgi and animation. they both have the power/freedom to manipulate images. kill bill has animation in it yes? where do u draw the line btwn. that and cgi? they're both done on computers. no sense it makes.


Animation is meant to be noticed, cgi isn't.


what, u've never seen crappy animation before?
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: Ghostboy on September 26, 2003, 06:13:30 PM
That shot of the plane in the trailer is obviously a model shot. I wasn't sure about the bullet, but now that I've seen the whole shot in its context, I'm pretty sure that's not CGI either. I think the only thing he used it for was to erase the wires.
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: finlayr on September 27, 2003, 10:51:55 PM
Agree with Tarantino 100%%%%%%!!!!!!
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: Pas on September 27, 2003, 11:27:43 PM
CGI will stay and be used in entertainment films, while film as an art will never rely on it. I don't see what the hell Quentin is talking about when he says "killing" the art form in ten years. Sometimes he just gets a little excited, it's nothing more.

I don't like CGI too much though...
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: Pastor Parsley on October 01, 2003, 03:13:38 PM
It just shows QT's ignorance.  Everything changes and evolves over time.  So what!  If you're an artist it doesn't matter the medium you use.  Van Gogh would have rocked with a box of crayons, if that's what he had to work with...he wouldn't have cried about it like a baby.
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: Cecil on October 01, 2003, 03:17:10 PM
or he wouldve hacked something else off
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: cine on October 01, 2003, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: Pas Rapport
I don't see what the hell Quentin is talking about when he says "killing" the art form in ten years.

Ten years too far fetched? Look what's happened in five..

Quote from: Pastor Parsley
he wouldn't have cried about it like a baby.

I missed something. When was Tarantino crying like a baby about this?
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: finlayr on October 01, 2003, 06:09:44 PM
Tarantino is absolutely right in everything he says.  Ever.

Seriously.  Just THINK about what he's saying.  "Computer game bullshit"--the man is a legend!
Title: CGI and Animation is an art
Post by: hangt5 on October 04, 2003, 08:49:58 PM
CGI is an art form. Just because it requires a computer to render doesn’t mean it takes any less effort or is any less creative. I would bet most that object to CGI have never tried creating even a simple model. It is extraordinarily hard. And in most cases take much longer than a simple drawing or painting ever would. CGI is just another element to a film and can in no way replace good old fashion camera techniques. This technology should be used in moderation but it certainly isn’t the downfall to film.
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: pete on October 05, 2003, 12:27:03 AM
it's ridiculous though, kill bill and the matrix were choreographed by the same guy; uma's kungfu is no better than Keanu's (Keanu had to learn like two weapons plus he did wushu long fist which is a little bit more demanding than the old school karate uma's doing), lucy liu didn't do anything as intricate as carrie ann moss; david carradine keeps on calling himself a hardcore but he's the biggest joke in the martial art world (his instructional tapes and seminars are all ran by other martial artists; he just talks between the sequences) and can't move for shit...etc.  Kill Bill is just shot with more style and cleverness than The Matrix, but you can't really call the moves in Kill Bill any more real, because they're just as ugly and ungraceful and martial artistically-challenged (everyone in Hollywood always wants to work with Yuen Wo-Ping but as a choreographer he's pretty much limited to one style and he's not as versatile as someone like Jackie Chan or Sammo who's hopped from genre to genre and setting to setting) as anything in The Matrix.  Use more real martial artists for god's sake.  James Cann woulda been a great Bill.  That guy's been studying for 20 years.
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: film_gawd on October 05, 2003, 04:30:08 PM
the use of cgi in films has become entirely overused.  anyone remember what it was like going to a movie and seeing a cool shot and not being able to figure it out before cgi was all the rage?  i'm not bashing cgi as a tool and i'm not saying it shouldn't be used but as tarantino did point out, cgi is costly and at times it feels as though film-makers are too lazy to try to do any in camera f/x so they tack in a cgi shot.  hopefully kill bill won't suck, it looks great, but even if tarantion did use a couple of small cgi shots one has to admire him for at least trying to make the film experience a little more visceral by doing onset in the camera trick photography.
Title: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: ShanghaiOrange on October 05, 2003, 04:58:38 PM
the use has become overused? :(
Title: Re: Tarantino on Matrix and CGI
Post by: wilder on May 13, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Good a place as any

6 Reasons Modern Movie CGI Looks Surprisingly Crappy (http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-expensive-films-end-up-with-crappy-special-effects/)