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The Director's Chair => Quentin Tarantino => Topic started by: MacGuffin on September 24, 2003, 01:38:09 AM

Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on September 24, 2003, 01:38:09 AM
In an upcoming interview for Empire, Quentin Tarantino revealed a little about the second film and what we can expect - "'Vol 2 is out February 20. Vol 1 is a pure burst of adrenaline. Two we slow it down a little bit, you get to know the characters more, especally Bill; he's in every other fucking frame. Two's more like my other movies, the dialogue comes to the fore, and it's more chronologically fucked. And it really ain't gonna end pretty". The man is also opinionated on the way cinema is heading thanks to the digital revolution - "This CGI bullsh*t is the death knell of cinema. Movies are far too f**king expensive at the moment and it's killing the f**king art form. The way it's going, in ten year's time it will officially be killed".
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Finn on September 24, 2003, 02:55:58 PM
Can't wait for this movie!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: finlayr on September 24, 2003, 08:41:01 PM
I think...sorry...he IS absolutely right about what he said about people like the Wachowski's that are flushing cinema right down the fucking toilet with their bullshit CGI.  I knew where Tarantino was coming from before he knew where he was, if ya get me?  I knew he wouldn't do pathetic-looking CGI shit like the fucking Matrix bullshit. Expectation for Kill Bill grows and grows and I'm sure it won't disappoint..and even if it does (by some miracle) then I'll still like it...

REPEAT AFTER ME:

Down with CGI!!!!!!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Sleuth on September 24, 2003, 09:17:41 PM
Explain
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: prophet on September 24, 2003, 09:47:53 PM
CGI+DUMB PUBLIC=$$$ FOR THE STUDIOS
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on September 24, 2003, 10:25:12 PM
the first Jurassic Park CGI was fresh and pragmatic. Goofy bluescreen is not.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Sleuth on September 24, 2003, 10:27:12 PM
Speaking of dinosaurs
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on September 25, 2003, 07:47:32 AM
CGI along the lines of say - a film like Minority Report, good.  scooby doo, very bad.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: bonanzataz on September 25, 2003, 04:34:37 PM
i must say, spielberg knows how to use his cgi. excluding the reissue of E.T. ... that was pathetic.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ShanghaiOrange on September 25, 2003, 04:47:20 PM
And the COEN brothers know how use CGI TOO! So THERE!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on September 26, 2003, 07:10:24 AM
Ok the thing with the CGI complaints, I think, is that a good number of people might say that Kill Bill is kinda lame because fighting characters aren't flying and stopping in the air and just doing really far fetched shit. There is nothing wrong with good CGI films.. but when they grow popular and in high demand, they shove them down our throats a little too much and it grows ugly fan bases... the ones where I know too many people who like those films and would vomit after seeing Kill Bill for not being CGI. And I dunno, that's not a good thing really. There should be a healthy balance.. not people creaming their pants just because there's a blue screen involved or people jumping and flying in the air a lot.
Of course, there's nothing wrong with creaming your pants either....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: nix on September 26, 2003, 08:28:41 AM
There are a few keys to using CGI:

1) Use it sparingly. Lots of movies do GCI for the sake of it, when an in camera effect would look better.

2) Keep your CGI from looking like CGI. Minority report is a pretty good example with the exception of the greenhouse scene.

Like any other TOOL in fimmaking, it's meant to enhance the storytelling (the first Matrix), not for spectical (The Matrix Reloaded).
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on November 12, 2003, 03:34:31 PM
FIRST SHOTS FROM KILL BILL: VOLUME TWO

(http://members.fortunecity.com/themodernage/killbill21.jpg)
(http://members.fortunecity.com/themodernage/killbill22.jpg)
(http://members.fortunecity.com/themodernage/killbill23.jpg)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Kal on November 12, 2003, 04:10:19 PM
I cant wait for this movie to come out... and cant wait for the Vol. 1 DVD... which will for sure have some really f***cked up stuff on it and a lot of extras
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mr_boz on November 12, 2003, 04:13:20 PM
i agree with nix here:

Quote from: nix


1) Use it sparingly. Lots of movies do CGI for the sake of it, when an in camera effect would look better.

2) Keep your CGI from looking like CGI. Minority report is a pretty good example with the exception of the greenhouse scene.

Like any other TOOL in fimmaking, it's meant to enhance the storytelling (the first Matrix), not for spectical (The Matrix Reloaded).


perhaps the root of this thread is the rise of technology in cinema?  if so, the fear might come from the perception that there is a trend to make movies where the technology is the focus rather than more traditional stuff such as plot, characters, acting.  i agree that the existence of such a trend would be disheartening but would assert that the system has a way of working itself out.

case in point:  the reviews for the new MATRIX films are not good.

i like to think that audiences are generally smart enough to recognize good film-making and to separate vapid CGI spectacles from the stuff of substance.  without this assumption, the film-making process becomes a bit self defeating.  you have to trust your audience to make up their own mind regarding what is good and what is disposable.

this discussion gets emotional when film-makers and film-lovers come to terms with the frequent disparity between critical acclaim and box office receipts.  despite the shitty reviews that MATRIX RELOADED received, it still made a ton at the box office.  some would say a good portion of this revenue was *because* of the use of technology.  i agree that the disparity between critical acclaim and a good box office is worthy of discussion, but it's nothing new.

good story tellers know technology is only a means to an end, not an end in itself.

-ccb
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Gloria on November 12, 2003, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
FIRST SHOTS FROM KILL BILL: VOLUME TWO
(http://members.fortunecity.com/themodernage/killbill21.jpg)


Uma looks like a plastic action figure in this picture.  It almost looks like she was airbrushed or made of wax.

I can't wait for this movie, either.  I'm looking forward to more of Michael Madsen. He looked really cool in the first one, and I hope he has a really cool story to go along with the look. Cowboy assassin....awesome...I can't wait  :)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: picolas on November 12, 2003, 08:19:42 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
(http://members.fortunecity.com/themodernage/killbill22.jpg)

i really wish i hadn't seen that.

i need your help, FORGETFULNESS!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: edison on November 12, 2003, 10:50:32 PM
Quote from: picolas
Quote from: themodernage02
(http://members.fortunecity.com/themodernage/killbill22.jpg)

i really wish i hadn't seen that.

i need your help, FORGETFULNESS!


What are you talking about, you knew at some point they would have to meet again, and i bet the even show a scene or two of them together in the trailer for vol. 2.
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Post by: cine on November 12, 2003, 11:38:40 PM
Yeah, initially I thought like that too though. I thought to myself, "oh fuck, I just saw an awesome shot from the film. I've just going to make sure I don't look at any of these photos online." But then I reminded myself that the trailers will just be unavoidable... so oh well. I wish I could just see the film though on its own. I'd be blown away.
You know, I think we should all boycott trailers....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SHAFTR on November 13, 2003, 12:26:15 AM
Is it true that this is supposed to have a Spaghetti Western feel/aspect to it?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: edison on November 13, 2003, 12:31:08 AM
Quote from: picolas
Quote from: EEz28
What are you talking about, you knew at some point they would have to meet again, and i bet the even show a scene or two of them together in the trailer for vol. 2.

yes, but i didn't know he'd whip out a sword at the dinner table. now what could have been a moment of surprise in theatres is lost forever.


from now on, anytime you see something about Kill Bill vol. 2, then turn your head, or dont click on the link.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on November 13, 2003, 02:43:22 AM
Quote from: SHAFTR
Is it true that this is supposed to have a Spaghetti Western feel/aspect to it?


yeah. a large portion of it is set in texas. its supposed to have a very different feel to volume 1.



from an interview with daryl hannah

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How much fighting do you have to do in the second part of Kill Bill?

A lot. (Laughs) I’m the only diva left. I was trained for sword fighting, and it was scripted for sword fighting, but when we were shooting, Quentin had seen a movie called Jackass, and he changed it. He would get stupid ideas like, ‘Today, let’s throw snot in your face!’ (Laughs) ‘And then today, we’re going to flush your head down the toilet!’ he would laugh hysterically and make me do it again and again. I was thinking, ‘Johnny Knoxville, I’m going to kill you!’


 :lol:  can't wait
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on November 13, 2003, 01:48:28 PM
The Bitch is Back!
Source: Maxim Magazine
 
By Clark Collis
Everything about Kill Bill Vol. 2 has been kept top-secret. Until now. Uma Thurman and Quentin Tarantino spill their guts on why it had to be even more brutal than Vol. 1.

Quentin Tarantino waits until I’m sitting comfortably before reaching across the table and savagely plunging his fingers into my right shoulder. “This is the Eagle’s Claw—it’s all about grabbing and ripping,” says the director, doing just that. “It’s like your hands become talons. Guys who really do Eagle’s Claw can pick up those gigantic vats of wine with just their fingers.”
 
Under normal circumstances, having your shoulder blade rearranged by the most influential filmmaker of the past 30 years would be more than a little troubling. The Reservoir Dogs auteur may have a reputation for being king of all film geeks, but in his case geek does not equal pussy. This is the man, after all, who once dealt with a rude taxi driver by beating him up. But, mercifully, I’m not about to become another victim of Tarantino’s wrath—I’m merely being given a demo of the skills the director learned while prepping his latest cinematic creations, Kill Bill Vol. 1 and Vol. 2.
 
“We didn’t learn real martial arts,” explains Tarantino, who actually rolled up to our appointment at Los Angeles’ Four Seasons hotel in Kill Bill’s bright yellow “Pussy Wagon” pickup. “I’ve always been into kung fu, but I don’t have the fucking patience to do this shit for nine years. We learned movie martial arts, which is funner, actually. But if I tried to use that movie shit, I’d get my ass kicked.”
 
They may only have been learning “movie shit,” but that didn’t keep Tarantino from insisting that key Kill Bill cast members endure an intense three-month course of physical training prior to the start of what has become one of the most talked-about movie projects of all time. Originally due to begin shooting in 2001, the project was delayed when star Uma Thurman became pregnant. Tarantino and Thurman had teamed to cook up her character—vengeance-fueled hitwoman the Bride—way back on the set of 1994’s Pulp Fiction, and Tarantino refused to consider replacing her.
 
Once production finally started in Beijing, the budget swiftly ballooned from its original $39 million to $55 million. The House of Blue Leaves sequence alone, in which Thurman dispatches dozens of Lucy Liu’s bodyguards, took eight weeks, the same as Pulp Fiction’s entire shooting schedule. Not that it was all work—at least not after Tarantino discovered that in China it was possible to buy “E that was beyond acid.”


rest of article in new Maxim onsale now.  anybody find the rest of it?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on November 13, 2003, 08:34:59 PM
(http://home.htp-tel.de/svenreimann/svenreimann/pictures/galerie09/a8_3.jpg)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: meatball on November 13, 2003, 08:44:15 PM
I am jealous. Where did you find this, MacGuffin?
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Post by: ©brad on November 13, 2003, 08:51:46 PM
Quote from: meatball
I am jealous. Where did you find this, MacGuffin?


well the uk obviously.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on November 13, 2003, 10:24:39 PM
hey guys, 24 new volume two pics over at tarantino.info - enjoy!!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on November 13, 2003, 11:28:28 PM
it says "EXTREME SPOILERS"

eward, have you looked at them? if so, are they big spoilers or not?

..... ah fuck it, can't resist. im looking at them now :)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on November 14, 2003, 07:43:49 AM
yes, i have looked at them.  

and yes they are quite spoilerish, but ive read the script, and you dont get much spoilerish than that, so look at ur own risk, i suppose....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on November 20, 2003, 01:58:31 AM
Rodriguez fills second 'Bill'

Filmmaker and burgeoning film composer Robert Rodriguez will compose music for pal Quentin Tarantino's upcoming "Kill Bill-Vol. 2."

The Texas-based filmmaker -- who not only writes and directs his movies but also edits, shoots, creates visual effects and composes them -- made the announcement Wednesday during the first day of the second annual Hollywood Reporter/Billboard Film and TV Music Conference at the Renaissance Hollywood Hotel.

For most of his lecture, Rodriguez discussed how he made the leap from filmmaker to composer on such films as "Once Upon a Time in Mexico" and "Spy Kids 3-D: Game Over." But he also talked of how composers need to empower themselves and try to get in earlier in the process.

"These are dangerous times, where people's scores get tossed out at the last second and another composer is brought in two weeks before release," Rodriguez said. "When was the last time you heard an actor was replaced on a movie after he shot his entire performance? For some reason, composers aren't treated the same way as the other collaborators, even though their job is just as important to the emotional content of the movie. And I didn't realize that until I started composing.

"Right now, music is an afterthought," he added. "But it shouldn't be that way."

Rodriguez suggested that composers are sometimes treated as if they are disposable because their work process "seems like voodoo" to directors and producers.

He said composers need to come in much earlier in the moviemaking process, and he advised composers to talk to not only a film's director but also its actors and screenwriters, even going so far as to look at past script drafts for insight.

"Write from a place of character," Rodriguez said. "If you can't feel it, how will your audience feel it?"

Rodriguez also gave the many composers in the room an exercise: Write a theme for your parents and children, and then set it to a home movie. He gave an example of how he did that with his own mother. "I dare you to not bawl your eyes out," he said as he choked up at the memory of his experiment.

Additionally, Rodriguez chatted about how he likes to impose budgetary constraints on himself because that forces him to be more creative.

"You can have the biggest budget in the world, but it won't guarantee you a good movie," he said. "You actually guarantee yourself more creativity with less money. You're forced to be creative, and that's what would make a movie good, or least more personal."
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SHAFTR on November 20, 2003, 02:32:05 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin

Rodriguez also gave the many composers in the room an exercise: Write a theme for your parents and children, and then set it to a home movie. He gave an example of how he did that with his own mother. "I dare you to not bawl your eyes out," he said as he choked up at the memory of his experiment.



I wouldn't be able to do it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ©brad on November 20, 2003, 08:54:05 AM
rodriguez is the shit. but wait, they're just starting composing for volume 2 now?! i woulda thought that would have been done already. doesn't that, like, take a while?
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Post by: modage on November 20, 2003, 11:09:53 AM
well  it says 'compose music'.  but that could mean like one music cue.  it doesnt neccesarily mean he's doing the whole score or something.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on November 20, 2003, 09:04:06 PM
Quote from: ©brown
doesn't that, like, take a while?


elfman scored the hulk in 2 weeks
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pedro on November 30, 2003, 01:33:53 PM
Hey...umm...i like trailers...anybody want to make me happy anytime soon?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on December 03, 2003, 03:39:22 AM
Mac, any idea if this is world-wide, or is it just US?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on December 09, 2003, 11:56:38 AM
Quote from: Brock Landers
Mac, any idea if this is world-wide, or is it just US?


No idea.

Release Dates for Vol. 2
USA February 20
Germany/Austria March 18
UK February 23
Australia February 26 or March 25 (tba)  
Argentinia February 26  
Canada February 20  
Finland February 20  
France March 3  
Czech Republic  March 4  
Netherlands March 4  
Iceland March 5  
Norway March 5  
Sweden March 12
Italy March 19  
Belgium March 24

Laurence Bender's Kill Bill Details
Volume 2 and more
 
Want to hear more about Kill Bill? Here’s the producer. Lawrence Bender has been with Quentin Tarantino since Reservoir Dogs, and the acclaim of his Band Apart Productions allowed him to become a major Hollywood contender.
 
Through Good Will Hunting, Anna and the King and The Mexican, Bender always comes back to Tarantino. Now with Volume 1 of Kill Bill in release and Volume 2 on the way in February, Bender was in a position to shed a little light on the gaps between the films, and various specifics I wasn’t able to squeeze in with Tarantino.

Will there eventually be a DVD with all of it put together? Maybe. I don’t really know. We haven’t really thought about that. I mean we really want each movie to be seen as a separate entity. So, I mean, that’s primarily what we’re focused on and then at some point maybe we’ll do that.

Is it dangerous to leave a movie open-ended? When we were working on the movie, the idea of this Volume 1/Volume 2 thing came up like about a month before we ended shooting. Quentin wrote the script in chapters so it kind of lends itself to that idea, not that we thought about it before. Quentin came up with a way to do it. Actually pretty quickly, then we just dropped it. And of course, that created rumors. Everyone on the set talked about it and the actors started talking about it and then it hit the press. But it wasn’t like we were going back and forth, what do we do. It’s just, we thought about and we dropped it and let’s finished the movie and then we got into the editing stage and we were working through it and then, at a certain point, we got to basically where it is now. We called Harvey into the editing room and said ‘Let’s just watch the movie now. You’re either looking at the first half of one movie or it’s going to be the full part one of two parts. Have an open mind and let’s see.’ We basically watched what you guys watched, only in a much rougher form. And we felt like that totally works. You feel like you have a full meal. It’s not over because you haven’t killed Bill. And it’s called Kill Bill so you know there’s more to come. Yeah, I think you feel relatively satisfied but you’re yearning more. So I think that’s a good way to have a two part [saga].

Why are you guys saying it’s two 90 minute parts, when it’s 1:50? I didn’t say it was 90. Does it say it’s 90 minutes in the press notes? I have no idea why they did that.

Will Volume 2 have a re-cap? I don’t think so. The interesting thing is, after we looked at that, the next thing we did was ‘Let’s look at the first scene of what the next movie would be’ and we did that and it really feels like a good first scene.

Did the studio ever want more CGI? Quentin really wanted to go old school this way. There’s a few shots, a few CGI shots throughout the movie. They’re kind of seamless, very few. We actually used a Hong Kong computer company that they took the wirework out. So, during our post-production here in the United States, we’ve been shipping all our material back and forth to Hong Kong as they’ve been taking out all the wires from all the wirework. But no, I think that’s part of the charm of the movie is that it is a in-camera stunt-type movie. And Quentin, because he’s taken all those different genres. You know, Shaw brothers, Spaghetti Western, Mu-Shu Kung Fu, Samurais. That wasn’t computer-generated stuff and he really wanted a tribute to that.

What’s different about the Japanese version? I don’t like to talk about the differences. You’re going to have to figure it out. You’re going to have to see it somehow. I don’t want to give it away.
 
Was the final battle turns to black and white for ratings purposes? I think Quentin, you know, it’s interesting. I love the Japanese version too. It’s just different and I don’t really want to talk too much about the differences at this point. At some point when everyone’s seen both.

Why is it billed as the 4th film by Quentin Tarantino? You know, someone else asked me that. It’s funny. I’ve never actually asked specifically. To me, there’s a lot of humor to it. You read the script, those Shaw Brother zoom ins, like when Uma sees Vivica for the first time, the "Ironside," that’s like written right into the script. So there’s a lot of humor written into the script too.

So is Volume 2 the 5th? No, it’s the 4th film, Volume 2.

Is there a gag reel of messed up fight scenes? No, we didn’t do a gag reel. Sorry.

Is there still going to be a video game? We have a video game. What happened with the video game is that Universal Games is doing the video game. They called us up a little while ago and said, 'We’re not going to be ready, number one. Number two, we really feel like this movie and this game needs more attention and needs to be a bigger, better game. So, that means it’s going to take longer.’ And they actually said there are fewer games doing, like 10 percent of the games do 90 percent of the business. Whatever, that’s basically the idea. So he didn’t want to just do another game. So he actually dropped a few games. At the same time, he wanted us to have a game. He likes this game, but he wanted to make it better. So, I’m not sure when it’s going to come out. It’s on their timeline.

Will we understand in Volume 2 why the Bride’s name is bleeped out in Volume 1? No.

Will you explain it then? No.

Were they saying anything then or just gibberish to get bleeped out? No, they’re saying the name.

So, we won’t find out? LB: No, I mean you could guess. It’s like ‘What’s in the briefcase?’ You can guess.

[Ha ha, Vivica Fox told us!]

I could never get into the Street Fighter movies. What am I missing? [Laughs] Well, I don’t know. Some people like musicals and some, I don’t know. I’m sorry, I don’t have an answer.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 09, 2003, 03:17:07 PM
Quote
So is Volume 2 the 5th? No, it’s the 4th film, Volume 2.


Thank you.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on December 09, 2003, 03:50:36 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
What’s different about the Japanese version? I don’t like to talk about the differences. You’re going to have to figure it out. You’re going to have to see it somehow. I don’t want to give it away.
 
Was the final battle turns to black and white for ratings purposes? I think Quentin, you know, it’s interesting. I love the Japanese version too. It’s just different and I don’t really want to talk too much about the differences at this point. At some point when everyone’s seen both.


as if its not frustrating enough getting some edited version of the film, the producers smug attitude about it isnt making things any better.  if there aint a fucking DEFINITIVE KILL BILL like, 4 disc set with BOTH volumes and the US and JAPANESE versions on it, and i dont mean "someday", i'm talking next year 2004, i'm going to go punch that smug bastard right in his teeth.  now, back to my christmas spirit...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: bonanzataz on December 09, 2003, 04:12:58 PM
looks like i'm buying the japanese release in february. love that region free player. it's the only way to fly.

apparently, the japanese version shows the other things that get cut off of sophie.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pedro on December 09, 2003, 04:48:09 PM
we need ourselves some japanese xixax users.
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Post by: kotte on December 09, 2003, 04:57:57 PM
Quote from: taz.
apparently, the japanese version shows the other things that get cut off of sophie.


God! I want the japanese version!

I want to say her breasts...cause that's the most horrible thing I can think of...legs? The other arm? To mundane... :)

What do you think/want?

I sound like sadist (much like Bill) here but I just love awful, horrible stuff on film. :)
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Post by: eward on December 09, 2003, 05:08:20 PM
actually, on my first viewing i was hoping they would cut or maybe pull back, so we could what her deformed body actually looked like, and just how deformed it was.....but alas, no such thing happened.
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Post by: Fernando on December 09, 2003, 05:13:44 PM
Quote from: kotte

God! I want the japanese version!

I want to say her breasts...cause that's the most horrible thing I can think of...legs? The other arm? To mundane... :)

What do you think/want?

I sound like sadist (much like Bill) here but I just love awful, horrible stuff on film. :)


Both legs and the other arm probably are not missing in the jap version either, remember when Uma left her while she was rolling down you could see she had both legs and her arm, unless that scene is also different in the jap. version.

I agree with you on the breast thing though and fingers and toes probably are missing too.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Gold Trumpet on December 12, 2003, 12:50:11 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
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So is Volume 2 the 5th? No, it’s the 4th film, Volume 2.


Thank you.


I still see them as separate movies and I think the producer backs me up on this. Earlier in the interview, when asked about dvd releases, he contends their intention right now is to not immediately release it into one packaged dvd or even one movie. He wants them to have separate identities. Now, with the definition of volume, the closest definition to this case comes with volume representing any of a series of books forming a complete work or collection. Thing is, it is not completion to just one book, but a larger work higher than just that one book. Movie wise, the closest relation would be Godfather Part I and II and how in 1977, that was combined to make The Godfather Saga thus putting each part closer to just being volumes of a larger work. Thing is, people still take Godfather Part I and II (and even III) as separate movies connected by continuation of a story, but by the end of a third, a continuation that has an end and puts the entire series into a much larger story. From what you have said, you see them as separate movies still. I see Kill Bill Vol. 1 and 2 also as separate movies in the same way.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: pete on December 12, 2003, 01:13:58 AM
I was at the very first test screening in boston for that movie.  in that print, there was one extra shot of uma cutting the chick's remaining hand off when the chick refused to talk in the trunk.  that was it, and her final shot in the hospital with bill remains the same.

Quote from: Fernando
Quote from: kotte

God! I want the japanese version!

I want to say her breasts...cause that's the most horrible thing I can think of...legs? The other arm? To mundane... :)

What do you think/want?

I sound like sadist (much like Bill) here but I just love awful, horrible stuff on film. :)


Both legs and the other arm probably are not missing in the jap version either, remember when Uma left her while she was rolling down you could see she had both legs and her arm, unless that scene is also different in the jap. version.

I agree with you on the breast thing though and fingers and toes probably are missing too.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on December 17, 2003, 04:03:28 PM
wasnt the goddamn Volume Two trailer supposed to be attached to ROTK?  am i mistaken? did anyone see the trailer?
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Post by: ©brad on December 17, 2003, 11:44:34 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
wasnt the goddamn Volume Two trailer supposed to be attached to ROTK?  am i mistaken? did anyone see the trailer?


i was wondering the same thing. nah, no VII trailer when i saw ROTK. the trailers were actually pretty crappy. (spider man 2 looked lame, and there was one for the mask 2 that was god damn ridiculous. we were sitting there all like "is this shit a joke?" the tagline for it was "are you ready for more?" and we're like "uhhh, nope."
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ghostboy on December 18, 2003, 01:51:23 AM
Jesus Christ, I loathed that Mask II trailer with every fiber of my being.

I'd guess that Kill Bill II will be attached or enclosed with prints of Cold Mountain, it being a Miramax release and all (the fact that the Weinsteins still have credit on LOTR notwithstanding).
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: bonanzataz on December 18, 2003, 08:50:40 PM
i remember feeling the same disappointment when i went to gangs of ny and the v1 trailer that i was promised was nowhere to be found. i kept saying to my buddies, "OK, THIS is gonna be it. it HAS to be." but it never was.

i have yet to see rotk, but thanks for the heads up.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SHAFTR on December 18, 2003, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: Ghostboy
Jesus Christ, I loathed that Mask II trailer with every fiber of my being.

I'd guess that Kill Bill II will be attached or enclosed with prints of Cold Mountain, it being a Miramax release and all (the fact that the Weinsteins still have credit on LOTR notwithstanding).


I know no one cares but me, but Jersey Girl trailer is going to be attached to Cold Mountain.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on December 18, 2003, 10:13:08 PM
....speaking of trailers annd sh*t , call me white trash but i like the fragrannnce commecrcial w/ the hot chick reclining on the wave......its surreal to me......

and i cannnnnot stop laughing at the coca cola onnne with the white guy acting like eminnnem....the "derek 237" commecrcial i think it is??????
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on December 18, 2003, 10:22:10 PM
Quote from: NEON MERCURY
and i cannnnnot stop laughing at the coca cola onnne with the white guy acting like eminnnem....the "derek 237" commecrcial i think it is??????


"It's Delux, son. Superstar extraordinaire. Get it right!"
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on December 18, 2003, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: NEON MERCURY
and i cannnnnot stop laughing at the coca cola onnne with the white guy acting like eminnnem....the "derek 237" commecrcial i think it is??????


"It's Delux, son. Superstar extraordinaire. Get it right!"




hahahaahahah!!!!!!!!!thats it !!!!damn that guy is hilarious in all the wrong ways.....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on December 22, 2003, 05:58:14 AM
shit, vol. 2 will be opening Cannes 2004.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on December 22, 2003, 06:36:48 AM
is it in competition?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on December 22, 2003, 05:12:36 PM
Isn't that, like, in March?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on December 22, 2003, 07:20:51 PM
No, it's in May. :shock:  Im rusty on the details.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ghostboy on December 22, 2003, 08:48:23 PM
If I remember correctly, they sometimes pick an opening night film that's already opened in the US.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on December 23, 2003, 08:39:40 AM
ohhh... butwe are talking about four months, won't everyone have seen it by then?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on December 24, 2003, 08:32:03 AM
Exactly...... and we need Kill Bill ASAP, right? I know I do!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on December 25, 2003, 10:37:12 PM
Uma said on the View that the release date has changed to April 16. two more months. It's a shame.  :(

btw, i don't watch the view!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on December 25, 2003, 11:34:49 PM
what?????????????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on December 26, 2003, 12:23:27 AM
Fuck, and while he's at it, he's probably pushing it forward another month to get it into Cannes. Therefore, it may not be released until mid-May.  :(  :cry:  :x  :)  :idea:  :evil: :arrow:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pedro on December 26, 2003, 01:50:04 AM
MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on December 26, 2003, 05:54:18 AM
I'm gonna go into a deep sleep now and see you all in May...  :(
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on December 26, 2003, 04:26:06 PM
anyone seen the new Japanese teaser trailer? all it is is a clip from the fucking bootleg trailer of Uma walking through the desert. then it says "kill is love".  :?:

It's up at the Japanese site.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on December 26, 2003, 10:47:14 PM
wait - so this is definitly true?  april?   sonofabitch!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on December 26, 2003, 11:22:17 PM
Quote from: eward
wait - so this is definitly true?  april?   sonofabitch!


I haven't found anything definite to confirm this. Of course, most of the news sites are on vacation, but TarantinoInfo posted this today:

Quote
Also note that the RELEASE DATE of Volume 2 might be shifted to April (16th). A possible Cannes 2004 premiere is possible.


Quote from: Brock Landers
anyone seen the new Japanese teaser trailer? all it is is a clip from the fucking bootleg trailer of Uma walking through the desert. then it says "kill is love".  :?:

It's up at the Japanese site.


I think the title "Kill Bill Vol. 2: The Love Story" gets a bigger :?:

http://www.killbill.jp/killbill_vol2/main.html
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on December 27, 2003, 03:02:36 AM
This may have something to do with why the kb2 trailer wasn't attached to rotk. hope it doesn't effect the release date for the vol. 1 dvd.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on December 28, 2003, 10:54:29 PM
I'll bet anything the DVD gets pushed way back as well. No major web retailers I have found even have a definite release date of Feb. 3rd posted, or even box artwork for that matter. Both Ed Wood and Lost in Translation already have box art and menu screenshots up all over the net.

damm it all
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on December 29, 2003, 09:23:44 AM
this is a shitty thing to do to the fans.  seriously, this pisses me off.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Kal on December 29, 2003, 09:39:08 AM
man is there any hard evidence of anything? what the fuck... we know the fucking date of star wars 3 in 2005 and batman and we dont know when is this fucker going to release the dvd and vol 2?

pisses me off
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on December 29, 2003, 10:29:18 AM
i am not pissed off.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ©brad on December 29, 2003, 10:42:35 AM
neither am i. at least u know u'll get volume one on dvd before that to wet ur appetite.

i have a theory that if joel silver and whoever makes decisions over at warner bros. woulda waited a little longer to release matrix revolutions, it might have been received/seen on a much larger scale.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on December 29, 2003, 11:00:24 AM
Anybody who's pissed off is just spoiled.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on December 29, 2003, 04:45:39 PM
I dunno how old this...

(http://www.angelfire.com/film/mac_guffin/kill-bill-vol-2.jpg)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on December 29, 2003, 05:15:35 PM
the 5th film by quentin tarantino........
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on December 29, 2003, 05:48:23 PM
This annoys me to no end.  It's ONE fucking film.  Same characters, same storyline, but Tarantino sees dollar signs and must take the greedy, pretentious route.  Ugh.  Thanks for posting that, Mac, though.  I don't know, I still am excited about seeing the second part, but the further on we get with the wait, and the further we get from the initial film, the more overhyped I think it was.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on December 29, 2003, 06:07:03 PM
We'll forgive him soon enough.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on December 29, 2003, 06:43:41 PM
Quote from: ©brad

i have a theory that if joel silver and whoever makes decisions over at warner bros. woulda waited a little longer to release matrix revolutions, it might have been received/seen on a much larger scale.


I don't know about that one. maybe that would have been true, only if what you mean is that the bad word of mouth from reloaded would have had more time to settle down before revolutions came out. and maybe people who saw reloaded would have forgotten how awful it was.

i really don't think revolutions could be saved from itself. It's a bad movie, so is Reloaded. that's what killed them (even though they both made tons of cash) I read somewhere a month ago that Warner was hoping Revolutions would stick around in theaters long enough for it to compete witht he christmas movie releases. HAHAHHAHA
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on December 29, 2003, 07:42:11 PM
Quote from: analogzombie
I read somewhere a month ago that Warner was hoping Revolutions would stick around in theaters long enough for it to compete witht he christmas movie releases. HAHAHHAHA


Why is that funny? Why wouldn't a studio want their films to have 'legs'?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on December 29, 2003, 07:58:20 PM
I think he's laughing at it's abrupt decline since it had so much hype and it just DROPPED after the first weekend.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on December 29, 2003, 09:52:03 PM
Quote from: Cinephile
I think he's laughing at it's abrupt decline since it had so much hype and it just DROPPED after the first weekend.


exactly, thanks Cinephile  :)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on December 30, 2003, 01:13:57 AM
BAck to "Kill Bill": I don't think I'm going to be able to judge the piece as a whole until the Vol. 2 comes out because there are so many unanswered tidbits from Vol. 1 that it doesn't stand out to me as a WHOLE film. 5th film is still a nice way to put it, considering the amount of work it takes to deliver ONE high-quality Hour Thirty minutes of entertainment, but as a story, I still think this is the 4th film.
hey, was Magnolia the 3rd and 4th film by PT Anderson???
I'm goin' to bed.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on December 30, 2003, 01:56:24 AM
Quote from: AntiDumbFrogQuestion
hey, was Magnolia the 3rd and 4th film by PT Anderson???

actually it was the third volume of his first film, Hardboogienolia.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: picolas on December 30, 2003, 01:57:00 AM
Quote from: ©brad
i have a theory that if joel silver and whoever makes decisions over at warner bros. woulda waited a little longer to release matrix revolutions, it might have been received/seen on a much larger scale.

i'm of the antitheory. releasing the second in a series of something with such time between just gives me more time to get accidentally spoilt betwixt.

Quote from: i, (in another thread),
...shit. this is what happens when you cut something in half and then spread it apart. you're far more likely to see the bloody entrails of the second half when you're coming towards it than if you had left the thing alone.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on December 30, 2003, 03:15:42 AM
Quote from: picolas
more time to get accidentally spoilt betwixt.


your walking a thin line there buddy.

Quote from: P
i am not pissed off.


niether am i. not until an official word comes out that is. then i'll explode.

although, i was quite sure the Cannes thing WAS official. infact the source i heard it from was pretty reliable, so i'm almost certain. don't know anything about the premiere, but i'm quite possitive that vol. 2 will open Cannes.

Quote from: Ghostboy
If I remember correctly, they sometimes pick an opening night film that's already opened in the US.


hope this is true, and i hope uma was misinformed. no need to kill yet, there is still hope.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on December 30, 2003, 04:10:15 PM
I think the circumstantial evidence tends to suggest a release date for Vol. 2 and the Dvd of Vol. 1 to get pushed back:
-Uma mentioning it might get pushed back on The View
-No DVD artwork online
-Amazon and other e-tailers have no official release date for the dvd
-No Kill Bill Vol. 2 trailer attached to any X-mas released film
-rumors surrounding a trip to Cannes

yeah, i think it's 95% for sure this baby is getting pushed back

at any rate, maybe it means Tarantino is developing Vol. 2 into something much bigger and better than originally intended. i mean, he's even said the tone and style of the movie is going to be very different from volume one. and the teaser on the Japanese site says something like: "vol.2 Kill is Love". so perhaps its for the best. i just want to see the best film tarantino can make. now if it's done and it's merely a thing of pushing it back for box office strategy, well then, I'll throw a hissy fit. But that is only b/c I am excited to see it. But I really hope the DVD of Vol. 1 isn't pushed tooo far back, but it seems to be the trend lately to release a DVD within a couple weeks of the sequel's theatrical debut.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on December 30, 2003, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: P
Quote from: AntiDumbFrogQuestion
hey, was Magnolia the 3rd and 4th film by PT Anderson???

actually it was the third volume of his first film, Hardboogienolia.


tsk, all the real fans know it's actually called Sydboogienolia.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on December 30, 2003, 04:47:41 PM
Quote from: analogzombie
at any rate, maybe it means Tarantino is developing Vol. 2 into something much bigger and better than originally intended.


Maybe it means QT is a lazy ass. From his appearance on Conan O' Brien:

Quote from: MacGuffin
C: “Kill Bill Volume 1” is in theaters now. And “Volume 2” is coming...
QT: Coming out, hopefully if I get it done in time, Feburary.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on December 30, 2003, 04:54:43 PM
the poster is now up at imdb, the one that says "5th film by Quentin Tarantino".

And it says: "In theatres Febuary 2004"! Why would they have only just released it if they were sure it would be delayed?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on January 01, 2004, 11:41:39 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Quote from: P
Quote from: AntiDumbFrogQuestion
hey, was Magnolia the 3rd and 4th film by PT Anderson???

actually it was the third volume of his first film, Hardboogienolia.


tsk, all the real fans know it's actually called Sydboogienolia.


lol (and I never type that unless it's true). I forgot all about SydBoogieNolia-Drunk Love. And I think the next film is called Happy Birthday! (ask Stefen) so there's your volume 5 of this whole deal.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on January 02, 2004, 09:14:35 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: analogzombie
at any rate, maybe it means Tarantino is developing Vol. 2 into something much bigger and better than originally intended.


Maybe it means QT is a lazy ass. From his appearance on Conan O' Brien:

Quote from: MacGuffin
C: “Kill Bill Volume 1” is in theaters now. And “Volume 2” is coming...
QT: Coming out, hopefully if I get it done in time, Feburary.


Valid point, though I personally feel he's trying to cram every last bit of work into it.  I don't know how we'll argue this til we have proof, so we'll have to agree to disagree here.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: bonanzataz on January 02, 2004, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Quote from: P
Quote from: AntiDumbFrogQuestion
hey, was Magnolia the 3rd and 4th film by PT Anderson???

actually it was the third volume of his first film, Hardboogienolia.


tsk, all the real fans know it's actually called Sydboogienolia.


it's really sad that i thought it would have been so hilarious to post this exact same thing. i thought i was being so clever and original. then i realized i'm on a message board with pta geeks and sonowthen got to it first. i just...can't go on.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on January 06, 2004, 11:07:10 AM
Quote from: taz.
Quote from: SoNowThen
Quote from: P
Quote from: AntiDumbFrogQuestion
hey, was Magnolia the 3rd and 4th film by PT Anderson???

actually it was the third volume of his first film, Hardboogienolia.


tsk, all the real fans know it's actually called Sydboogienolia.


it's really sad that i thought it would have been so hilarious to post this exact same thing. i thought i was being so clever and original. then i realized i'm on a message board with pta geeks and sonowthen got to it first. i just...can't go on.


hehe, that's happened to me soooo many times here...


oh and that's just awesome news about Kill Bill getting delayed. I know sarcasm over the internet is a hard read, so let me say again, awesome news. On a scale of 1 to awesome, 1 being not awesome at all, and awesome being totally awesome, I'd say this is about an awesome times 100.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 06, 2004, 11:37:58 AM
Quote from: SoNowThen
oh and that's just awesome news about Kill Bill getting delayed. I know sarcasm over the internet is a hard read, so let me say again, awesome news. On a scale of 1 to awesome, 1 being not awesome at all, and awesome being totally awesome, I'd say this is about an awesome times 100.


What the fuck?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Fernando on January 06, 2004, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Clint over at Movie Hole tells Latino Review some interesting news regarding Kill Bill Vol 2. As most of us know, it has been rumored that the film will be delayed and Uma herself had mentioned it as well. Here is what Clint had to say:

Buena Vista in Australia says that "Kill Bill : Volume 2" will not be being released in February, nor April here. Instead, it's coming out in June, or later. Apparently it's going to Cannes first. Sounds like that might be the deal world wide. Big Bummer!

Will keep you posted on this!


If that's true, then here are the movies that would be against KB:VII. Starting in april.

April 2nd. : Hellboy (Del Toro), Envy (Levinson), Home of the Range (Comedy with Cuba, S.J. Parker, J. Tilly, Judi Dench)

April 9th. : The Alamo (Hancock), Walking Tall (With The Rock), The Whole Ten Yards (With Willis and Perry)

April 16th. : The Punisher

April 23rd. : Man on Fire (Tony Scott), Secret Window (Koepp)

April 30th. : Godsend (With De Niro, Kinnear), Laws of Attraction (With Brosnan, J. Moore)

May 7th. : Van Helsing (With Huge Jackman), NY Minute (With the Olsen twins - P's most anticipated film of the year)

May 14th. : Troy (Petersen), Mr. 3000 (With Bernie Mac)

May 21st. : Shrek 2, Eulogy (With Ray Romano, W. Ryder, Azaria)

May 28th. : The Day After Tomorrow (Emmerich), 13 going on 30 (With J. Garner)

June 4th. : Harry Potter and the Prisioner of Azkaban

June 11th. : The Chronicles of Riddick (With xixax favourite Vin Diesel), The Stepford Wives (Oz)

June 18th. : The Terminal (Spielberg), Garfield: The Movie

June 25th. : Dodgeball: The Movie (With Ben Stiller)

July 2nd. : Spiderman 2 (Raimi)

July 9th. : King Arthur (Fuqua), Anchorman (With Will Ferrell)

July 16th. : I Robot (Proyas), A Cinderella Story (With Hillary Duff)

July 23rd. : The Bourne Supremacy (With Matt Damon), White Chicks (Wayans)

July 30th. : Catwoman

So, if they release it on april I think theypretty much can do ti any weekend, on may it gets a little trickier, maybe the 7th. June's only weak date is 25th. but Spiderman comes next weekend, and as for July maybe the 30th as I don't think Catwoman will be that strong.

Let's just hope they don't hold it any longer, or even better stick to feb/20.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: edison on January 06, 2004, 12:46:20 PM
Thanks for the summer release schedule.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Gold Trumpet on January 06, 2004, 03:09:35 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers
the poster is now up at imdb, the one that says "5th film by Quentin Tarantino"


I hope JB reads that.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cron on January 06, 2004, 05:57:05 PM
Quote
Buena Vista in Australia says that "Kill Bill : Volume 2" will not be being released in February, nor April here. Instead, it's coming out in June, or later. Apparently it's going to Cannes first. Sounds like that might be the deal world wide. Big Bummer!




THOSE INGLORIOUS BASTARDS
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on January 06, 2004, 07:19:30 PM
Miramax Home Video have today confirmed a delay for the region one release of Kill Bill: Volume One which stars the lovely Uma Thurman and Lucy Liu. The disc was originally scheduled for a release on the 3rd February this year, but because of the delay to the theatrical release of Volume Two, the disc has now been put back until March at the earliest. Volume Two is now scheduled for a theatrical release in April. I'm afraid that's all we know at present, but we'll let you know as soon as we hear anything else. We're expecting the official announcement to arrive within the next few weeks, so stay tuned for that!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on January 06, 2004, 08:32:57 PM
On imdb, the French release date has been changed from March 3 to June 2004. All the other dates remain the same at present, but this seems like further indication of a Cannes premier. FUCK!!!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 06, 2004, 09:16:15 PM
i really don't think the average movie goer is gonna give a fuck about volume two, especially since its being delayed....well thats at least what i fear.....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pedro on January 07, 2004, 12:00:08 AM
this takes something away from the whole film...i think it would only work if released in a very short period of time between the two...this is just too long of a wait...i gotta find a divx copy or something...spark my interest again
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: slice on January 07, 2004, 01:20:23 AM
somebody digitized a 35mm print of the movie and leaked it...difficult to find but not that hard

look for an avi--do you understand
(http://ambulance.planet1337.com/understand.jpg)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on January 07, 2004, 01:59:37 AM
I've already found it. but i wan the DVD, those fools at Miramax betta recognize!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on January 07, 2004, 10:21:22 PM
a high quality divx dvd rip has been available for a while at suprnova, if anyone is interested. i got mine from there months ago, then converted it to dvd. should tie me over till the official dvd comes out, i spose.
Title: HOW COULD NOT HAVE FORSEEN THIS LET DOWN
Post by: finlayr on January 08, 2004, 02:36:38 PM
I think it was obvious from the beginning that Vol. 2 wasn't going to be ready in Feb but the studio was just saying that, and not as an estimate.  They KNEW it wasn't going to be ready, but if they had released the information before Vol. 1 was released, or soon thereafter, they knew the public would say "Hey, what the fuck?"  So they took our money and said, Our film is so good {WHICH IT IS}, they could wait years for part 2.  I think anyone who's a fan of cinema is going to be disappointed with the news that we have to wait months b4 the next cinematic orgasm.  I just hope Tarantino doesn't do a George Bush and start telling lies for Miramax.
Title: Re: HOW COULD NOT HAVE FORSEEN THIS LET DOWN
Post by: analogzombie on January 08, 2004, 05:22:55 PM
Quote from: finlayr
I think it was obvious from the beginning that Vol. 2 wasn't going to be ready in Feb but the studio was just saying that, and not as an estimate.  They KNEW it wasn't going to be ready, but if they had released the information before Vol. 1 was released, or soon thereafter, they knew the public would say "Hey, what the fuck?"  So they took our money and said, Our film is so good {WHICH IT IS}, they could wait years for part 2.  I think anyone who's a fan of cinema is going to be disappointed with the news that we have to wait months b4 the next cinematic orgasm.  I just hope Tarantino doesn't do a George Bush and start telling lies for Miramax.


I like how you worked a comment on Geogre Bush into a thread on Tarantino.

But if it is true that they planned it all along why did they go to the trouble of creating, printing and distributing posters with the February 2004 date?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on January 08, 2004, 06:02:33 PM
I saw a pic of Uma Thurman holding a child who's head was buried into her shoulder.  If I can find it again, I'll put it here, I think it may be an indicator or something?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Duck Sauce on January 08, 2004, 06:32:27 PM
Quote from: Walrus, KooKookajoob
I saw a pic of Uma Thurman holding a child who's head was buried into her shoulder.  If I can find it again, I'll put it here, I think it may be an indicator or something?


where is your soul?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on January 08, 2004, 08:55:05 PM
Quote from: NEON MACGUFFIN
Quote from: Walrus, KooKookajoob
I saw a pic .........  If I can find it again, I'll put it here, I think it may be an indicator or something?


I have that pic, along with others, but I don't wanna ruin it for those who don't wanna be spoiled.


PLEASE DON"T PUT IT UP AND PLEASE DON"T EVEN MENTION IT!
IT"S THE BIGGEST SPOILER I HAVE EVER SEEN.

i stumbled across it on accident and although its no real surprise it ruined it for me. I curse that photo for even existing.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on January 09, 2004, 07:39:33 AM
Kill Bill: Vol. 2 Move to April 16 Confirmed
Source: Variety

Variety has confirmed that Miramax has moved the Quentin Tarantino sequel Kill Bill: Vol. 2 from February 20 to April 16. In a clever move, Disney has already moved its Lindsay Lohan romantic comedy Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen into the Feb. 20 spot.

The trade adds that it is also still undecided whether Kill Bill: Vol. 2 will travel to the Cannes Festival. No clear reason has surfaced for moving the sequel, but a later date will allow time to bring Kill Bill: Vol. 1 to DVD. It's expected to hit video shelves on April 13.

Also scheduled for April 16 are Universal's Nia Vardalos and Toni Collette-starrer Connie and Carla and comic book adaptation The Punisher.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ghostboy on January 09, 2004, 07:43:03 AM
April just seems way overcrowded to me. But I guess any month past March and before January is like that. There's such a dead period this year...Kill Bill was a bright shining beacon of light in the midst of the harsh winter plains.

It's going to kick The Punisher's ass though, I bet.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 09, 2004, 07:44:05 AM
i'm actually kinda relieved at this now because I had been hearing that it might have even been moved to june or july......i'm gonna be on kill bill overload that week what with the dvd coming out too...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on January 09, 2004, 12:25:30 PM
Quote from: Ghostboy
There's such a dead period this year...Kill Bill was a bright shining beacon of light in the midst of the harsh winter plains.

exactly.  theres probably only about 3 or 4 movies ill see in the theatre between now and april.  JAN-MARCH=DEATH.  (also usually SEPT=DEATH).  theyre the nomanslands inbetween oscar bait and summer (and now PRE-summer as they start rolling out wannabe blockbusters in april since memorial day which used to be the start of summer movies has now been replaced with the first weekend in may.)  harvey weinstein is a greedy sunuvabitch for trying to get some of that 'summer money'.  i hope this plan blows up in his face and nobody but geeks see it and it gets lost in the shuffle.

so what happens to the DVD?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: russiasusha on January 09, 2004, 01:29:05 PM
Bring on the Trailer     :!:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 09, 2004, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
so what happens to the DVD?


Quote from: MacGuffin The Wombat
It's expected to hit video shelves on April 13.


is that what you were wondering?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on January 09, 2004, 04:59:21 PM
I can live with this. besides the glut of dvd releases in feb and early march will tide me over.

kill bill vs the punisher, i don't think weinstein is thinking this through. the action audience will choose punisher cuz kill bill is too 'weird' for them, and that 'll leave a very small audience. i doubt it'll make the money of the first one.

but what do i know, i hope it does well!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 09, 2004, 05:09:20 PM
Quote from: analogzombie
. i doubt it'll make the money of the first one.


But I bet it will be even better.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: oakmanc234 on January 10, 2004, 12:19:43 AM
I'm sure it'll be better than the first but if its even as good as the first I'll be wrapped. Michael Madsen will definately be a major bonus. Tarantino says its a lot more like his earlier films, its slower and more dialogue-driven so we're bound for a more rounded 'film'.
Pretty peeved with the delay......Oh vell.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Weak2ndAct on January 10, 2004, 12:56:09 AM
I used to joke that Miramax does 2 things with movies that aren't directed by Tarantino:
1) Push them for Oscars
2) Never release them, then hack 'em up and dump 'em

Sadly, now he's getting a taste of the Miramax shuffle too.  Weinstein is the devil.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on January 10, 2004, 07:05:03 PM
goddamnit, and im gonna have to wait till June  :(

Quote from: MacGuffan
No clear reason has surfaced for moving the sequel


he's doing yuki's revenge in anime  :)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on January 10, 2004, 10:47:45 PM
you know....at this point, all the people who were excited to start their semester off with Kill Bill will be happy to end their semester with Kill Bill.....nice thinkin' QT!

Unless that he IS just lazy and thinks we want to wait and wait and wait for the next volume because he's SOOOOO great.

Which we kind of do.

BUT IT's DEFINITELY A TRYING EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!!

maybe he's trying to make males feel what it's like when they tell their significant others they will do something but take FOREVER to.

I will never be THAT boyfriend again.

THE END.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 10, 2004, 11:52:04 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers
goddamnit, and im gonna have to wait till June  :(

Quote from: MacGuffan
No clear reason has surfaced for moving the sequel


he's doing yuki's revenge in anime  :)


are you fuckin with me and my emotions or is this legit???
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: nix on January 10, 2004, 11:58:31 PM
being as how yuki was sort of eliminated from volume 1...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 11, 2004, 12:24:42 AM
:?

thats a good point...........well im retarded.......back to my cave
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on January 11, 2004, 12:29:18 AM
Quote from: nix
being as how yuki was sort of eliminated from volume 1...


Quote from: eward
:?

thats a good point...........well im retarded.......back to my cave


Don't you mean Go Go Yubari is dead?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Sleuth on January 11, 2004, 12:30:26 AM
Are you guys talking about Go Go?

edit:  I just got Mac'd in the face :(
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: 82 on January 11, 2004, 12:31:53 AM
Spolier Spolier

http://www.rebel-alliance.net/images/killbill2.jpg

Spolier Spolier
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 11, 2004, 01:38:24 AM
ive read the script.  this movie cannot be spoiled for me.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on January 11, 2004, 01:47:05 AM
Quote from: 82
Spolier Spolier

/www .######### .net/  images  killbill2.jpg

Spolier Spolier


you filthy whore! ypu need to just say THE ABSOLUTE WORST SPOILER OF ALL TIME! imagine seeing a picture of the last scene of Se7en or somehting. anyone who spreads this link or picture should be castrated and hauled to the dump.

thank god i had already see this. some spoilers are like sparklers, others are like M-80s, this is like a stick of dynamite.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Kal on January 11, 2004, 11:08:41 AM
82 you're a moron, thats not a simple spoiler... ruined my fucking life... thank you very much
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on January 11, 2004, 11:20:10 AM
Kill Bill spoilers.  Be warned.

I think a couple of you are taking this a little too seriously.  I mean, it's pretty much a given that in a film where in the first part, it's revealed that the protagonist's daughter is missing, yet still alive, in the second part, she will be reunited with her.  And that's a beautiful shot.  If anything, it makes me want to see the film more.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: 82 on January 11, 2004, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: andyk
82 you're a moron, thats not a simple spoiler... ruined my fucking life... thank you very much



Whos the moron?

Let's Review:

1. I posted a spoiler with big words arround it saying "SPOILER"
2. You clicked on the "SPOILER"
3. You are pissed at me because you clicked on a "spoiler"

Also..  The ending to Kill Bill is your life?  Shouldn't you be ending it now then?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 11, 2004, 01:22:56 PM
dont worry 82, you did nothing wrong....... :-D
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on January 11, 2004, 07:07:52 PM
Quote from: Onomatopoeia
I think a couple of you are taking this a little too seriously.  I mean, it's pretty much a given that in a film where in the first part, it's revealed that the protagonist's daughter is missing, yet still alive, in the second part, she will be reunited with her.  And that's a beautiful shot.  If anything, it makes me want to see the film more.


No shit. You guys must be dumb asses to not have known that at some stage in Vol. 2 she's going to embrass her daughter.

Quote from: analogzombieyou
filthy whore! ypu need to just say THE ABSOLUTE WORST SPOILER OF ALL TIME! imagine seeing a picture of the last scene of Se7en or somehting. anyone who spreads this link or picture should be castrated and hauled to the dump.


:roll: whatever.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on January 11, 2004, 08:37:19 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers
Quote from: Onomatopoeia
I think a couple of you are taking this a little too seriously.  I mean, it's pretty much a given that in a film where in the first part, it's revealed that the protagonist's daughter is missing, yet still alive, in the second part, she will be reunited with her.  And that's a beautiful shot.  If anything, it makes me want to see the film more.


No shit. You guys must be dumb asses to not have known that at some stage in Vol. 2 she's going to embrass her daughter.

Quote from: analogzombieyou
filthy whore! ypu need to just say THE ABSOLUTE WORST SPOILER OF ALL TIME! imagine seeing a picture of the last scene of Se7en or somehting. anyone who spreads this link or picture should be castrated and hauled to the dump.


:roll: whatever.


even if logical deductions would bring you tot hat point it doesn't matter. *spoiler* insinuates some plot talk, or character development, I doubt if many would expect to be jumped straight to a picture of the END OF THE FREAKING MOVIE. It's common courtesy is all, like not walking out of Return of the jedi in 83 talking about how Vader is Luke's father, and no tis not my life, I would just rather see the endings of movies AT THE MOVIES!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on January 11, 2004, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: analogzombie
even if logical deductions would bring you tot hat point it doesn't matter. *spoiler* insinuates some plot talk, or character development, I doubt if many would expect to be jumped straight to a picture of the END OF THE FREAKING MOVIE. It's common courtesy is all, like not walking out of Return of the jedi in 83 talking about how Vader is Luke's father, and no tis not my life, I would just rather see the endings of movies AT THE MOVIES!


I have a feeling that the shot takes place before the bride takes on bill anyway. you would think that she'd be covered in blood or something after the final showdown. so therefore it would only be a minor spoiler.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: 82 on January 11, 2004, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers
Quote from: analogzombie
even if logical deductions would bring you tot hat point it doesn't matter. *spoiler* insinuates some plot talk, or character development, I doubt if many would expect to be jumped straight to a picture of the END OF THE FREAKING MOVIE. It's common courtesy is all, like not walking out of Return of the jedi in 83 talking about how Vader is Luke's father, and no tis not my life, I would just rather see the endings of movies AT THE MOVIES!


I have a feeling that the shot takes place before the bride takes on bill anyway. you would think that she'd be covered in blood or something after the final showdown. so therefore it would only be a minor spoiler.


Read the script

http://sfy.iv.ru/sfy.html?script=kill_bill
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on January 11, 2004, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: analogzombie
It's common courtesy is all, like not walking out of Return of the jedi in 83 talking about how Vader is Luke's fathe,



ummm.....SPOILER
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 11, 2004, 09:01:45 PM
Quote from: analogzombie
It's common courtesy is all, like not walking out of Return of the jedi in 83 talking about how Vader is Luke's father


hey that was empire.....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ©brad on January 11, 2004, 09:21:29 PM
Quote from: NEON MERCURY
Quote from: analogzombie
It's common courtesy is all, like not walking out of Return of the jedi in 83 talking about how Vader is Luke's fathe,



ummm.....SPOILER


hahah.

i knew you were going to say something really funny one of these days.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on January 12, 2004, 11:01:06 AM
ahhhh, well..... I am Jack's sinking feeling of futility and embarrassment  :cry:

at any rate, at least my knowledge of the spoiler hasn't curbed my enthusiasm for the film. I just can't help myself from clicking.

I don't know if anyone has posted this before but there are some funny things going on over at: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=785685 kill bill related
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: joeybdot on January 13, 2004, 05:06:54 PM
read the script I know how it ends.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on January 13, 2004, 05:14:06 PM
Quote from: joeybdot
read the script I know how it ends.

sucks to be you.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on January 13, 2004, 05:23:30 PM
They gave away the ending in the trailer: In the year 2003, Uma Thurman will Kill Bill.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on January 13, 2004, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
They gave away the ending in the trailer: In the year 2003, Uma Thurman will Kill Bill.


It would piss audiences worldwide off if she did not get her revenge.

It would piss me off, at least.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 13, 2004, 06:19:57 PM
it's really cool how she gets him....tho i heard it was changed..... :(
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: j_scott_stroup04 on January 13, 2004, 08:12:25 PM
The fight with Bill better be BADASS, especially now that we have to wait a helluva lot longer than we were originally supposed to.  I have no worries though, I know Quentin will deliver....he always does  8)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on January 16, 2004, 04:26:08 PM
interesting quote from David Carradine in new EW...

EW: So to speak.  Pre-Bill, were you a Tarantino fan?
DC: At least Quentin's doing new things.  Even Martin Scorsese's doing the same things over and over.  It's always gangs.  Except for The Last Temptation of Christ.  And I made him do that.  I gave him the book and said, "If you don't make this, you're an idiot."  He said, "You can play Jesus and Barbara [Hershey] can play Mary!"  Took Him 15 years to make it.  I was too old by then-Jesus had passed me by.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on January 16, 2004, 04:31:14 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
interesting quote from David Carradine in new EW...

DC: Even Martin Scorsese's doing the same things over and over.  It's always gangs.  Except for The Last Temptation of Christ.


And Raging Bull, and King Of Comedy, and Age Of Innocence, and Bringing Out The Dead...

nice try, Dave.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on January 16, 2004, 05:43:57 PM
That's the first time I ever heard of David Carradine mentioned about giving Scorsese the book. Scorsese has always given credit to Barbara Hershey for "Last Temptation."
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on January 16, 2004, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Age Of Innocence

that's about gangs. vicious ones.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Kal on January 16, 2004, 07:58:58 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
They gave away the ending in the trailer: In the year 2003, Uma Thurman will Kill Bill.


well these idiots dont even know how to do a damn trailer... cause its 2004 and the fucker will still be alive til april  :roll:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 17, 2004, 11:33:58 AM
"In the Year 2003, Uma Thurman will Kill Two of the Deadly Viper Assassins, leaving the rest to the second volume, due in 2004"

or just

"In the Year 2003, Uma Thurman will Kill Bill: Vol. 1"

Now these would be perfect taglines  :roll:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cron on January 17, 2004, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
"In the Year 2003, Uma Thurman will Kill Two of the Deadly Viper Assassins, leaving the rest to the second volume, due in 2004"

or just

"In the Year 2003, Uma Thurman will Kill Bill: Vol. 1"

Now these would be perfect taglines  :roll:


It's not a perfect tagline if it doesn't have Quentin's name all over it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 17, 2004, 11:49:33 AM
Quote from: chuckhimselfo
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
"In the Year 2003, Uma Thurman will Kill Two of the Deadly Viper Assassins, leaving the rest to the second volume, due in 2004"

or just

"In the Year 2003, Uma Thurman will Kill Bill: Vol. 1"

Now these would be perfect taglines  :roll:


It's not a perfect tagline if it doesn't have Quentin's name all over it.


Let me correct myself:

"In the Year 2003, QUENTIN TARANTINO will make Uma Thurman Kill Bill: Vol. 1, which is his 4th film after three masterpieces and an Academy Award. I know you wished to be like him, but no.... you'rejust gonna go and see his movies. AH!"
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on January 17, 2004, 01:07:58 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Bringing Out The Dead...



that's just Taxi Driver 2: Ambulance Driver
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 17, 2004, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: analogzombie
Quote from: SoNowThen
Bringing Out The Dead...



that's just Taxi Driver 2: Ambulance Driver


oh but it's so much more....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on January 17, 2004, 09:27:59 PM
apparently the soundtrack is coming out late feb.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 17, 2004, 10:56:22 PM
or so they say
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on January 18, 2004, 04:32:26 AM
Quote from: eward
Quote from: analogzombie
Quote from: SoNowThen
Bringing Out The Dead...



that's just Taxi Driver 2: Ambulance Driver


oh but it's so much more....


oh don't get me wrong I really Like Bringing out the Dead. But I wouldn't use it as an example of how Scorses takes on new ideas and original projects.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on January 18, 2004, 10:47:34 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108095,00.html

this is interesting (half-way down)

Quote
songs that were cut from the first chapter.
 :?:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 18, 2004, 11:12:59 PM
yeah, me too.....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on January 19, 2004, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: analogzombie
Quote from: SoNowThen
Bringing Out The Dead...



that's just Taxi Driver 2: Ambulance Driver


No, no it's not.


*sigh*
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on January 19, 2004, 04:53:55 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Quote from: analogzombie
Quote from: SoNowThen
Bringing Out The Dead...



that's just Taxi Driver 2: Ambulance Driver


No, no it's not.


*sigh*

 :lol:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on January 22, 2004, 06:54:20 PM
they just showed the teaser on E.T. Man, it just makes me want to see more! It'll be available on the web soon, i'm guessing, so i won't give much away. there's a clip of uma in a convertable in B&W saying that line from the bootleg trailer: "what the movie advertisements refered to as a roaring rampage of revenge" and bill says that he's starting to worry because "she's coming". i won't give away any more. it wasn't anything that great, but it's alot more satisfying than the japanese teaser shit.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 22, 2004, 07:44:12 PM
fuck, i missed it
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on January 23, 2004, 12:21:44 AM
Teaser Trailer here. (http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/killbill2qt1.html)

"It's Not Over Til It's Over."
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Sleuth on January 23, 2004, 12:25:34 AM
I love Uma Thurman.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pedro on January 23, 2004, 12:46:06 AM
this movie's gonna kick so much ass...im sad i have to wait that long though.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on January 23, 2004, 01:14:37 AM
ahhhh, good ole moviebox
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on January 23, 2004, 01:29:23 AM
that's pretty cheezy, but i guess purposefully so.  

hey, macguffin lemme ask you a question...

-after being disappointed (or perhaps just not totally in love with vo. 1), are you less excited for volume 2?  

-were you hoping vo.1 would be the second coming like the rest of us, or was it just another movie you were looking forward to?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on January 23, 2004, 07:48:04 AM
pretty cool.....i wonder if they'll be showing that in theaters or if it was made just for now or whatever
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on January 23, 2004, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: themodernage02
hey, macguffin lemme ask you a question...

-after being disappointed (or perhaps just not totally in love with vo. 1), are you less excited for volume 2?


Put it this way, I'm not hyped for Vol. 2. If it was pushed back again, it wouldn't upset me. Although, I do anticipate Vol. 2 being better.

Quote from: themodernage02
-were you hoping vo.1 would be the second coming like the rest of us, or was it just another movie you were looking forward to?


Not second coming, but that Tarantino at least would stay true to form. After an extended hiatus, I was anxious for another great piece of writing and better action.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Fernando on January 23, 2004, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: themodernage02
hey, macguffin lemme ask you a question...

-after being disappointed (or perhaps just not totally in love with vo. 1), are you less excited for volume 2?


Put it this way, I'm not hyped for Vol. 2. If it was pushed back again, it wouldn't upset me. Although, I do anticipate Vol. 2 being better.

Quote from: themodernage02
-were you hoping vo.1 would be the second coming like the rest of us, or was it just another movie you were looking forward to?


Not second coming, but that Tarantino at least would stay true to form. After an extended hiatus, I was anxious for another great piece of writing and better action.


You know Mac, you should post more often your thoughts on the many films, news, trailers, etc., and believe me I love that you post every film related news, I'm always eager to know first about those things, but you've always seem to me like a man who has an opinion, and yours is always interesting.

Don't forget to post your thought on ROTK.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on January 23, 2004, 11:23:19 AM
"you've got to start becoming afraid of her, because she IS coming."

haha love it! If David Carridine is scared of her then you know Vol. 2 is gonna pack some vicious fights and be even more brutal than the Vol. 1.

-counting the days-
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on February 06, 2004, 06:56:41 PM
Source: Dark Horizons

Actress Julie Dreyfus spoke a little about why Tarantino delayed the release of the second chapter - "I think he wants to take his time and just make it perfect. He has that kind of luxury in the business. He can make as good a film as he wants to so I don't think he wants to disappoint anybody so he just takes his time... I've only seen one scene but [Quentin] says it's a lot like the old Tarantino you know. There's a lot more dialogue and a little less action. It's a little bit more character driven".
---------------------------------------------------------------
I hope to God those last three sentences are true.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on February 17, 2004, 05:32:58 PM
Now that Vol. 2 will not be at Cannes, there have been huge changes to the international release dates:

Canada - 16 April 2004  
UK - 16 April 2004  
USA - 16 April 2004  
Australia - 22 April 2004  
Netherlands - 22 April 2004  
Denmark - 23 April 2004  
Belgium - 28 April 2004  
Iceland - 7 May 2004  
Mexico - 7 May 2004  
Argentina - 20 May 2004  
France - June 2004  
Norway - 4 June 2004  
Sweden - 4 June 2004
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on February 17, 2004, 11:31:08 PM
The International Kill Bill: Vol. 2 Teaser Poster

Intertain Film Denmark have received the new international teaser poster for Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill: Vol. 2 opening here on April 16.

(http://film.intertain.dk/pub/images/docs/intertain/film/reviews/kb2poster-360.gif)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 18, 2004, 06:23:44 AM
I like it  :)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on February 19, 2004, 01:32:03 AM
me too
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on February 19, 2004, 03:09:44 PM
coolness
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Finn on February 19, 2004, 03:14:59 PM
I'm looking forward to looking at the US and UK Quad poster for this one. I loved the Quad teaser for the first one! I hope they keep it simple again.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on February 22, 2004, 08:50:02 PM
Japanese poster:

(http://www.angelfire.com/film/xixax/japanposter.jpg)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pedro on February 22, 2004, 11:13:22 PM
perfect
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on February 22, 2004, 11:32:38 PM
i'm fuzzy on the whole kill is love thing.....dunno about it
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pedro on February 23, 2004, 12:40:49 AM
Quote from: eward
i'm fuzzy on the whole kill is love thing.....dunno about it

meh.  i was so blown away by the image i didn't even care.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pwaybloe on February 24, 2004, 10:22:51 AM
Meh... Just made me thirsty.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on February 24, 2004, 12:42:15 PM
meh.....just made me squint my eyes
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on February 24, 2004, 01:21:55 PM
big new batch of pictures over at Empire Movies...

MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS!

http://www.empiremovies.com/gallery/kill_bill_2/kill_bill_2_25.shtml
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on February 24, 2004, 05:42:22 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
big new batch of pictures over at Empire Movies...

MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS!

http://www.empiremovies.com/gallery/kill_bill_2/kill_bill_2_25.shtml


alot dirtier than the first set of photos. lovely.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on February 24, 2004, 05:50:30 PM
i really wonder how different this one will be from volume one.....looks to be a radically different experience, i really hope it lives up to my expectations...but i'm not worried....i was worried that volume one would disappoint me, especially once all the trailers came out and the TV spots started airing, i was afraid it'd be much too cheese...of course it exceeded my expectations in every way so i'm expecting a helluva lot from vol 2....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: edison on February 24, 2004, 06:56:25 PM
this place must echo sometimes
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: picolas on February 24, 2004, 07:42:49 PM
...

THIS PLACE MUST ECHO SOMETIMES
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on February 24, 2004, 07:56:07 PM
i really wonder how different this one will be from volume one.....looks to be a radically different experience, i really hope it lives up to my expectations...but i'm not worried....i was worried that volume one would disappoint me, especially once all the trailers came out and the TV spots started airing, i was afraid it'd be much too cheese...of course it exceeded my expectations in every way so i'm expecting a helluva lot from vol 2....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on February 24, 2004, 08:34:21 PM
whoops, my bad......but im gonna leave it so the joke will make sense.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on February 24, 2004, 08:36:20 PM
whoops, my bad......but im gonna leave it so the joke will make sense.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: edison on February 24, 2004, 11:45:46 PM
nothing makes sense here
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ©brad on February 25, 2004, 12:25:28 PM
nutting makes cents here.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on February 25, 2004, 12:28:24 PM
nut eng mag sin shear
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on February 25, 2004, 12:43:32 PM
nutmeg insincere
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on February 26, 2004, 07:55:27 AM
Michael Madsen on Budd in Kill Bill: Vol. 2
Source: Empire Online

Empire Online talked to Kill Bill: Vol. 2 star Michael Madsen about his role as Budd, another vicious member of the Viper Squad, in the Quentin Tarantino sequel.

"Ever since Reservoir Dogs I've been known as Mr Blonde," Madsen said, "but that's all about to f**king change. When people see Budd in full flow, they really ain't gonna forget him."

Madsen adds that Budd has "retired from the Viper squad and decided to do something like become a bouncer in a strip club, but when his brother comes to him and says , 'She's back,' what's the guy gonna do? He's just gotta act."

"He does some very dastardly things to The Bride, to Uma. He is genuinely reprehensible at times...it is seriously dark and seriously nasty."

There's also an interview with Uma Thurman on "Vol. 2" in the April issue of the magazine.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on February 26, 2004, 11:50:37 AM
And that's different from Mr. Blonde how?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on February 26, 2004, 11:54:20 AM
Mr Blonde wasn't retired, he was in prison...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on February 26, 2004, 05:37:52 PM
(http://www.thezreview.co.uk/posters/posterimages/killbillvol25.jpg)
(http://www.thezreview.co.uk/posters/posterimages/killbillvol26.jpg)
(http://www.thezreview.co.uk/posters/posterimages/killbillvol24.jpg)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on February 26, 2004, 06:08:54 PM
That first poster is just PERFECT.  The second one is nice, too.  The third one is just blah.  Thanks, Mac.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on February 26, 2004, 09:09:12 PM
holy shit, the first two are so much better than the posters we got for volume one...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on February 27, 2004, 12:04:36 AM
..the first one is cool ...the rest suck......especially "the bride is back for the final cut"...... :roll:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on February 27, 2004, 09:25:44 AM
Quote from: NEON MERCURY
"the bride is back for the final cut"


that's just as good or even better than HERE COMES THE BRIDE
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MoosethePR on February 27, 2004, 04:52:18 PM
There's gonna be two volumes right? I thought the first was mad cool
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on March 01, 2004, 08:58:26 PM
The Organ Player (in all his coolness):

(http://www.thezreview.co.uk/images3/killbill202.jpg)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on March 01, 2004, 09:32:06 PM
haha thats great
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on March 01, 2004, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: MoosethePR
There's gonna be two volumes right? I thought the first was mad cool


nah, there was only a vol. one..this thread is about our ideas for a sequel.....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MoosethePR on March 05, 2004, 09:08:28 PM
im preaty sure there is a volume 2.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on March 05, 2004, 09:14:47 PM
um yeah that's been pretty well established over the last year.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on March 05, 2004, 10:08:34 PM
you mean rumors are true?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on March 06, 2004, 12:33:46 AM
moose was pretending he wasn't sure this movie is in two volumes. NEON answered sarcastically. then moose did a 180. i replied seriously ("over" the last year means gradual progress from rumor to fact fairly long ago, there's 15 pages about it for christ sake) . i don't know what you're trying to do.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on March 06, 2004, 12:39:31 AM
Quote from: P
moose was pretending he wasn't sure this movie is in two volumes. NEON answered sarcastically. then moose did a 180. i replied seriously ("over" the last year means gradual progress from rumor to fact fairly long ago, there's 15 pages about it for christ sake) . i don't know what you're trying to do.


what i was trying to do, "P", was inform everyone that the official site has finally been updating. nothing worth spraying your shorts over but atleast they've done something.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Kal on March 06, 2004, 12:40:13 AM
let Uma can so she can kill all of you stupid punks!!!!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on March 06, 2004, 12:48:03 AM
if "kill is love" then that sounds like a great idea andy!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MoosethePR on March 06, 2004, 05:24:37 PM
They split the orignal movie into 2 volumes because they didn't want too much gore. But its all fun it games right.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on March 07, 2004, 11:06:07 AM
Quote from: MoosethePR
They split the orignal movie into 2 volumes because they didn't want too much gore. But its all fun it games right.


actually qt thought there was too much pretension in the thought of a 3 hr. grindhouse flick, among other things
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Just Withnail on March 07, 2004, 06:22:17 PM
Quote from: eward
Quote from: MoosethePR
They split the orignal movie into 2 volumes because they didn't want too much gore. But its all fun it games right.


actually qt thought there was too much pretension in the thought of a 3 hr. grindhouse flick, among other things


And besides it's dead serious.

Get it? Dead...kill. Kill = love. Love is serious. Don't mess with love.

On a serious note, I'm really looking forward to being able to watch the two pieces coherently. I'm in the "could've been better" camp, so here's to hoping the final vision adds up to more than the sum of its parts.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on March 09, 2004, 11:58:53 AM
Source: Quentin Tarantino Archives

First off, there was a Test-Screening held in Austin, Texas yesterday with Tarantino, Weinstein and so on all present. Aint it Cool News has 3 reviews on their site. And what you can read there is pretty much 95% enthusiasm. The movie is reportedly not a 100% finished, some color work has to be done on the film, yet.

Also sad news for all Michael Jai White fans. The Flashback Scene with David Carradine and the Martial Arts Star has reportedly been cut out due to lack of time. Seems like it's planned for DVD.

DVD NEWS:
Apart from the word that we will only see Michael Jai White (like Christopher Lee in LOTR3) only on DVD, rumors are also that the combined Volumes will not only get a double-pack DVD release, but the complete movie will even get it's own theatrical release.

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=17145

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=17149
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: RegularKarate on March 09, 2004, 04:35:50 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin

First off, there was a Test-Screening held in Austin, Texas yesterday with Tarantino... present.


Cries like a big, fat, ugly baby
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: picolas on March 09, 2004, 05:23:37 PM
HOW WAS IT :?:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on March 09, 2004, 05:45:28 PM
wait did someone on here actually ATTEND this screening?!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on March 09, 2004, 07:18:32 PM
i'm so jealous/upset/feel like getting in the fetile position if someone did.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: RegularKarate on March 09, 2004, 07:49:55 PM
Quote from: picolas;
HOW WAS IT :?:


Dude!  Are you makin' fun of me?  Trying to rub it in?

***Runs off to room and slams the door***   (muffled sobbing can be heard)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 11, 2004, 05:46:35 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Also sad news for all Michael Jai White fans. The Flashback Scene with David Carradine and the Martial Arts Star has reportedly been cut out due to lack of time. Seems like it's planned for DVD.


This makes me fucking sick. I mean, let's split it into two parts, "not because we're greedy sons of bitches and want two times the money, but because that way we don't have to make any cuts". And now this... I mean... geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzz...... fuck you all.

On a slightly related note, I want to see the damn movie already!!!!!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on March 11, 2004, 07:46:49 AM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum


This makes me fucking sick. I mean, let's split it into two parts, "not because we're greedy sons of bitches and want two times the money, but because that way we don't have to make any cuts". !!!!!!


ummm, i don't think that's right....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: subversiveproductions on March 11, 2004, 08:22:29 AM
quick note: third poster=fucking sick... as in cool... as in i like it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: analogzombie on March 11, 2004, 01:37:58 PM
The excitement is building as we are about 6 weeks away from the movie's release. Everything coming in about this movie makes it sound like the first one was just a warm up. I can now understand why Tarantino split the films up. Vol. 1 is a straight ahead Grindhouse film. Kind of how Jackie Brown might have been if he made it as a 100% blaxploitation pic instead of infusing those elements into the film. Vol. 2 looks to be an all out Tarantino blood bath movie infused with elements of grindhouse cinema. And though I want to see the fight sequence with Michael Jai White from what Knowles said Tarantino said, it was taken out to help build the emotional connection to Bill.I think it was something like 'it's not as important to fear Bill b/c of his skill as a fighter at that point in the movie. it's gets accomplished elsewhere.'
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on March 12, 2004, 12:42:39 PM
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY is giving away free passes to an advance screening of Kill Bill: Volume II if you live in one of the following cities...

Atlanta
Chicago
Cleveland
Dallas
Detroit
Los Angeles
New York
Philadelphia
Portland
San Francisco

http://www.ew.com/ew/contests/

they're usually only a few days in advance, but in this case that seems good enough for me.  if anyone lives in philadelphia and wins, you must take me.  that is all.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on March 13, 2004, 10:02:00 PM
check out the new trailer over at killbill.jp. there's no new footage, but it's really strange.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on March 13, 2004, 10:40:25 PM
and short
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Scorchoz on March 14, 2004, 12:20:59 AM
from the aint it cool review "If you were turned off by the gore of the first film and found yourself wanting more of the ‘verbal” Tarantino dialogue… well, this is the film for you."

what do you guys think about this? I kind of like the gore in vol. 1 myself
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on March 14, 2004, 01:19:36 AM
Quote from: El Scorchoz
from the aint it cool review "If you were turned off by the gore of the first film and found yourself wanting more of the ‘verbal” Tarantino dialogue… well, this is the film for you."

what do you guys think about this?

it's all i ever wanted. and more.

i wasn't turned off by the gore. i don't think anyone can be these days. the dialogue was the only turn off, it wasn't memorable at all.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on March 14, 2004, 11:53:08 AM
i mostly agree about the dialogue stuff, but i did find a few peices of dialogue quite memorable (not comparable to QT's other work, but amusing nonetheless) like bill's opening monologue, sonny chiba's dialogue as he gives uma the hanzo sword (don't know how much was lifted from other films tho) or lucy liu's little monologue after she cut off boss tanaka's head.  otherwise - yeah, it was pretty dry.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on March 14, 2004, 08:47:48 PM
don't forget GoGo's penetration speach.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on March 14, 2004, 09:03:07 PM
I'm digging the avatar, Mr. Landers.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on March 15, 2004, 05:07:56 AM
thanks, and call me Brock

official MPAA rating for vol. 2: R for violence, language and brief drug use. no "stronge bloody violence" this time round.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on March 16, 2004, 10:59:50 AM
Carradine finds renewal in ‘Kill Bill’
‘Kung Fu’ star hopes for Travolta-like rebirth

(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040315/040315_caradine_hmed.hmedium.jpg)

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Globe-trotting hit man Bill may be ready to meet a bloody end, but kung fu hero Caine lives on.
 
David Carradine, riding a career resurgence as the title character in Quentin Tarantino’s two-part saga “Kill Bill,” is revisiting his martial-arts roots with Tuesday’s DVD release of season one of “Kung Fu,” his 1970s television series.

The two characters could scarcely be more different — Bill the worldly father figure of a pack of crack assassins, and Kwai Chang Caine the soft-spoken refugee from a Shaolin monastery, serenely spreading wisdom and kicking bad guys’ butts in the Old West.

Through more than 100 feature films with such directors as Martin Scorsese, Ingmar Bergman and Hal Ashby, Carradine remains best known as Caine. He reprised the role in a mid-1980s TV movie and played Caine’s grandson in the 1990s syndicated series “Kung Fu: The Legend Continues,” but most of Carradine’s work the last 20 years has been on obscure, low-budget movies.

Carradine, 67, hopes “Kill Bill” will reopen doors in Hollywood the way Tarantino’s “Pulp Fiction” did for John Travolta and “Jackie Brown” did to a lesser extent for Pam Grier.

“All I’ve ever needed since I more or less retired from studio films a couple of decades ago ... is just to be in one,” Carradine said in an interview at his home in Tarzana, in Los Angeles’ San Fernando Valley.
 
“There isn’t anything that Anthony Hopkins or Clint Eastwood or Sean Connery or any of those old guys are doing that I couldn’t do,” he said. “All that was ever required was somebody with Quentin’s courage to take and put me in the spotlight.”

Carradine was a shadowy presence in last fall’s “Kill Bill — Vol. 1,” in which one of Bill’s former assassins (Uma Thurman) begins a vengeful rampage against her old associates.

The first film hits home video in mid-April just before the theatrical debut of “Kill Bill — Vol. 2,” in which Thurman’s character comes face to face again with Bill himself. The title implies Bill’s fate, but Carradine is mum on whether the character meets his demise.

Bill a killer, but no villain

Though he’s the heavy, Bill has more depth than run-of-the-mill bad guys, Carradine said.

“Bill is more fun than anything,” Carradine said. “Bill has virtually no human problems. He’s just kind of put himself above it all. He’s actually a very charming guy. Yeah, he kills people for a living, but ... As far as him being a villain, there are no good guys in a Quentin Tarantino movie. Everybody has an agenda, everybody is a criminal, and everybody has a certain nobility.”

The son of character actor John Carradine and brother of actors Keith and Robert, Carradine had the title role in the short-lived Western TV series “Shane” in 1966 and co-starred in Scorsese’s 1972 film “Boxcar Bertha” before shooting to stardom with “Kung Fu.”

He left after three seasons, saying the show had started to repeat itself. After “Kung Fu,” Carradine starred in the 1975 cult flick “Death Race 2000” and played Woody Guthrie in Ashby’s “Bound for Glory” the following year. He starred with Liv Ullmann in Bergman’s “The Serpent’s Egg” in 1977 and with his brothers in the 1980 Western “The Long Riders.”

Despite Carradine’s well-deserved reputation as a quick-to-anger actor and hard-drinking partier, the public image of the unflappable, inscrutable Caine lingers. Fueling that is Carradine’s own continued interest in Oriental herbs, exercise and philosophy. He wrote a personal memoir called “Spirit of Shaolin” and continues to make instructional videos on tai chi and other martial arts.

Yet the actor said Tarantino’s Bill is closer to the real Carradine than Caine. Tarantino has “written more the guy I really am. The art collector, the musician, the philosopher and the drugstore cowboy.”

Carradine, who said he has not had a drink since 1996, talked candidly about his past boozing and narcotics use, mainly “a lot of psychotropic drugs.”

Now he sticks to coffee and cigarettes, saying he gave up alcohol because “I didn’t like the way I looked for one thing. You’re kind of out of control emotionally when you drink that much. I was quicker to anger.”

Carradine has been married four times and has three grown children. He lives a seemingly placid life with his girlfriend, her four children and a couple of dogs. Questions about his wilder days have grown tiresome, and Carradine said he may just brush them off in the future.

“You’re probably witnessing the last time I will ever answer those questions,” Carradine said. “Because this is a regeneration. It is a renaissance. It is the start of a new career for me.

“It’s time to do nothing but look forward.”
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on March 16, 2004, 11:09:37 AM
i still wish it were Warren Beatty though.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on March 16, 2004, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Carradine finds renewal in ‘Kill Bill’
‘Kung Fu’ star hopes for Travolta-like rebirth
“There isn’t anything that Anthony Hopkins or Clint Eastwood or Sean Connery or any of those old guys are doing that I couldn’t do,” he said.


"Hi, I'm David Carradine, and I'm insane."
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ©brad on March 16, 2004, 12:48:19 PM
so i was at work last night and three different ppl were talking about the trailer they saw for kill bill vol. 2 on TV! and that it was badass. i stood there, stupified, esp. when one of them went "aren't you suppose to know this stuff, you being this big film buff?"

so um, please tell me they're full of shit.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 16, 2004, 12:50:24 PM
Yeah, tell him something
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on March 20, 2004, 11:50:02 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers
check out the new trailer over at killbill.jp. there's no new footage, but it's really strange.


I dunno if you mean this one or not, but here's a large Quicktime version:

http://www.apple.com/jp/quicktime/trailers/gaga/media/kill_bill_large.mov
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on March 21, 2004, 04:26:40 PM
i really dont like that trailer. but hey, that's just one guy's opinion
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on March 22, 2004, 09:56:37 AM
More talking, lots of action in second 'Kill Bill' offering
Source: Los Angeles Daily News

Moviegoers who expect Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill -- Vol. 2' to be merely a continuation of "Kill Bill -- Vol. 1' are in for a surprise.

David Carradine, the title star of Tarantino's creation, declares that the second installment is "very different' from the first. "The content, even the style, are very different. It's not the juggernaut of fighting that the first one was, although there's a lot of hot action in it. Everyone talks a lot -- what people are used to with Quentin.'

The story line in Tarantino's paean to chop-socky film fare, you may recall, has Uma Thurman's Bride character seeking revenge on her paid-assassin associates for a hit ordered by the boss, her lover, Bill.

"The heart of the movie is the stuff between me and Uma -- wonderful stuff. I just saw the finished picture, and it's beyond my expectations,' adds Carradine of the feature opening April 16. "The second one is, I think, a better picture than the first.'

Carradine's face will soon be all over the place. A DVD of his original "Kung-Fu' series has just been released, with David looking quite buff on the cover. He also has a set of his martial arts instructional presentations coming out on DVD/home video. He's returning to his role as the mysterious monk -- in jeopardy with Jennifer Garner -- on "Alias.'

"Part of it is serendipity, but a lot of it is people getting on the big bandwagon -- Miramax's bandwagon -- wanting to do things at the same time as 'Kill Bill -- Vol. 2,' ' notes Carradine.

He has weeks ahead of "Kill Bill' promotion in the United States and Australia, "and we haven't even talked about Asia yet. There are three premieres in Europe. We'll be at the Cannes Film Festival, where they're doing a special presentation of Part 1 and Part 2 together. There'll be midnight-show kinds of things with Part 1 and Part 2 here in the States, too -- one at the Cinerama Dome. If you go in April 15 and see the 10 o'clock show and stay in your seat, you can see the midnight show of Part 2.'
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ©brad on March 22, 2004, 12:19:08 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
"The heart of the movie is the stuff between me and Uma -- wonderful stuff. I just saw the finished picture, and it's beyond my expectations,' adds Carradine of the feature opening April 16. "The second one is, I think, a better picture than the first.'


ofcourse he would say that.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 22, 2004, 12:48:32 PM
But I bet he's right. (I hope he is...)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on March 22, 2004, 05:07:00 PM
well the reviews from the test screening seem to back up his statement. although they were saying shit like this about rotk ("the heart of the trilogy") and it turned out to be the worst of the 3.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on March 22, 2004, 06:33:13 PM
alright, less than a month to go and still no theatrical trailer??  come on now
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on March 22, 2004, 08:49:24 PM
they don't want to ruin the movie. can u handle that?

but.. if u need it to incite an emotional response, here i'll fill in: "be excited! here's what happens in the movie! remember all these shots and u'll spoil the whole movie for urself! IN A WORLLLDD"
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on March 22, 2004, 09:18:35 PM
japanese international trailer:

http://www.apple.com/jp/quicktime/trailers/gaga/media/kill_bill_medium.mov

it's a lot better than the american one
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on March 22, 2004, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: El Duderino
japanese international trailer:

http://www.apple.com/jp/quicktime/trailers/gaga/media/kill_bill_medium.mov

it's a lot better than the american one


Okay, riddle me this. I posted the same trailer on the previous page and you posted this right below it:

Quote from: El Duderino
i really dont like that trailer. but hey, that's just one guy's opinion
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on March 22, 2004, 09:50:38 PM
Quote from: Pubrick
they don't want to ruin the movie. can u handle that?

i'm anxious

Quote from: Pubrick

but.. if u need it to incite an emotional response, here i'll fill in: "be excited! here's what happens in the movie! remember all these shots and u'll spoil the whole movie for urself! IN A WORLLLDD"


just seems like there's alot less press for volume two than there was for volume one about three and a half weeks before its release...just wonderin, is all
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on March 22, 2004, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: El Duderino
japanese international trailer:

http://www.apple.com/jp/quicktime/trailers/gaga/media/kill_bill_medium.mov

it's a lot better than the american one


Okay, riddle me this. I posted the same trailer on the previous page and you posted this right below it:

Quote from: El Duderino
i really dont like that trailer. but hey, that's just one guy's opinion



sorry, i thought it was the american teaser trailer that you posted, so i didnt bother to look. accidents happen
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on March 22, 2004, 10:05:51 PM
el duderino: exposed.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: tpfkabi on March 22, 2004, 11:08:05 PM
so Kill Bill 2 is going to be shown at Cannes now?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on March 23, 2004, 01:14:24 AM
the one at the japanese site said "5th film by QT". somebody came to their senses.

edit- vol. 2 songs available here (http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/sharmibasu@sbcglobal.net)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on March 24, 2004, 05:31:36 AM
CANNES SOIREE WILL FIT THE 'BILL'

Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill Vol. 2" will receive a 10 p.m. out-of-competition screening at Cannes on May 16, with stars Uma Thurman and David Carradine expected to attend.

In what could be one of the fest's glitzier soirees, distrib TFM, a joint venture between Miramax and Gallic web TF1, is planning a post-screening party, details of which are still being thrashed out.

Fest habitue Tarantino is presiding over the jury at this year's event, which runs May 12-23.

"Kill Bill Vol. 2" will bow theatrically in France the day after the Cannes screening --- a Monday, rather than France's more usual Wednesday release day.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: thedog on March 24, 2004, 06:03:57 AM
Quote
although they were saying shit like this about rotk ("the heart of the trilogy") and it turned out to be the worst of the 3.


Speak for yourself, compadre.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 24, 2004, 06:43:18 AM
Quote from: thedog
Quote
although they were saying shit like this about rotk ("the heart of the trilogy") and it turned out to be the worst of the 3.


Speak for yourself, compadre.


I would agree with this, if The Two Towers wasn't the worst of the three.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on March 26, 2004, 06:18:34 PM
i didn't dislike rotk, but i don't think its anywhere near as good as fellowship and two towers was a masterpiece in my opinion.
-----
more vol. 2 pics are up at outnow: http://outnow.ch/Media/Img/2004/KillBill.Vol2/
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 27, 2004, 06:05:22 AM
I really can't like The Two Towers... sorry
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: tpfkabi on March 27, 2004, 08:27:39 PM
i saw a trailer on MTV just now. it has several shots of Uma driving shot in b&w.....and ends with her and Bill talking.....something about "i think we have unfinished business...."........is this the trailer that is linked a few pages back?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on March 27, 2004, 08:34:14 PM
Quote from: bigideas
i saw a trailer on MTV just now. it has several shots of Uma driving shot in b&w.....and ends with her and Bill talking.....something about "i think we have unfinished business...."........is this the trailer that is linked a few pages back?

Yes.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on March 27, 2004, 10:16:30 PM
actually the advertising campaign for vol. 2 started today. there are new trailers out now.

Quote from: bigideas
and ends with her and Bill talking.....something about "i think we have unfinished business...."


sounds new to me...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on March 28, 2004, 12:12:44 AM
Quote from: Cinephile
Quote from: bigideas
i saw a trailer on MTV just now. it has several shots of Uma driving shot in b&w.....and ends with her and Bill talking.....something about "i think we have unfinished business...."........is this the trailer that is linked a few pages back?

Yes.


no.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Kal on March 28, 2004, 06:00:48 PM
I cant find the new trailer online... I found one that is like a mix of both movies... but I want the official Vol. 2 trailer (not the teaser). We're 2 weeks away from being in theatres where is the fucking trailer!!!!!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on March 28, 2004, 06:59:22 PM
wait patiently.  outbursts will get you nowhere.  look at the previous page for proof. i am gritting my teeth as well but we have no choice but to wait.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on March 28, 2004, 07:00:46 PM
patience is a virtue....fuck virtues
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on March 28, 2004, 07:01:22 PM
Quote from: andyk
We're 2 weeks away from being in theatres where is the fucking trailer!!!!!!

the devil is putting the finishing touches on it right this moment.  (joke for P.)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Kal on March 28, 2004, 07:49:46 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
Quote from: andyk
We're 2 weeks away from being in theatres where is the fucking trailer!!!!!!

the devil is putting the finishing touches on it right this moment.  (joke for P.)


thats the only thing that makes me calm down
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on March 29, 2004, 07:51:10 AM
haha.

u ppl, the trailer's been out for months now.. it's called Volume ONE.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on March 29, 2004, 08:07:43 AM
correct. trailers attempt to convince people to go see the film. but if you liked vol. 1, your obviously psyched and ready for vol. 2. by not having a trailer for vol. 2, it'll just be an even greater experiance cause you have no idea what to expect and it all just blows you away. now where's that fucking trailer?!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on March 29, 2004, 08:13:19 AM
8)
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Post by: Henry Hill on March 29, 2004, 08:34:58 AM
i saw the trailer last night on MTV.  8)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on March 29, 2004, 09:17:18 AM
it was reported at imdb that on it an asian girl is seen pointing a gun at the bride.  many believe this would be yuki, but as far as i know that was never even filmed. so hmmmm
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on March 29, 2004, 01:23:56 PM
Quote from: eward
many believe this would be yuki


  ::creams pants::  

I know all her lines were given to gogo on volume one... but what if it's true? wouldn't that be a great opening sequence?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 29, 2004, 04:58:45 PM
Quote from: rustinglass
Quote from: eward
many believe this would be yuki


 :shock:  :shock: ::creams pants:: :shock:  :shock:

I know all her lines were given to gogo on volume one... but what if it's true? wouldn't that be a great opening sequence?

Yep, a fantastic opening sequence
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Post by: El Duderino on March 29, 2004, 05:57:35 PM
i dunno if it'll beat Volume One's opening sequence....it was bone chilling.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on March 29, 2004, 09:17:18 PM
nope, nm...it aint her - but im not gonna tell you who it actually is either...that just wouldnt be right
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 30, 2004, 04:00:26 AM
Quote from: El Duderino
i dunno if it'll beat Volume One's opening sequence....it was bone chilling.


It's one of the best movie openings ever.

As for Vol. 2, I read somewhere that it begins with The Bride's wedding, so I don't think Yuki will be on Kill Bill - that doesn't mean I don't wish she was  :wink: . Anyways, I 100% trust Quentin so whatever the opening is, it's great.
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Post by: brockly on March 31, 2004, 03:39:42 AM
tv spot is finally available
http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/IJKLM/Kill-Bill-Vol2/TVSpot/
 :shock: damn its cool
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on March 31, 2004, 06:18:46 AM
Quote from: rustinglass
Quote from: eward
many believe this would be yuki


  ::creams pants::  

I know all her lines were given to gogo on volume one... but what if it's true? wouldn't that be a great opening sequence?


I read the script again






SPOILERS

it's probably that korean chick, Karen Wong at the hotel.
"You fucked with the Wong sisters!" - I haven't seen the film and already a classic.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 31, 2004, 08:32:59 AM
Quote from: Brock Landers
tv spot is finally available
http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/IJKLM/Kill-Bill-Vol2/TVSpot/
 :shock: damn its cool


It helps to spend the days of agony until it comes out.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on March 31, 2004, 07:45:08 PM
wow.....Uma is so beautiful:

(http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/IJKLM/Kill-Bill-Vol2/images/killbillvol2wall.jpg)
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Post by: eward on March 31, 2004, 08:03:21 PM
this is so
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Post by: Kal on March 31, 2004, 10:00:59 PM
I want to see this RIGHT NOW!!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Banky on March 31, 2004, 11:00:01 PM
i just saw a brand new tv spot during letterman
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on April 01, 2004, 03:33:01 AM
*nm*
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on April 01, 2004, 10:02:22 PM
Inside Daryl's Killer 'Kill Bill' Catfight!
Source: Entertainment Tonight

The wait is almost over! Golden Globe-nominated siren UMA THURMAN will be back to finish her task as the blade-wielding, assassin Bride in QUENTIN TARANTINO's martial arts epic 'Kill Bill Vol. 2' on April 16.

"You see a lot more of how purely, truly evil and false and nasty Elle Driver is," Daryl tells our own MARK STEINES. "You get to the really, really, real, real bad asses."

In 'Kill Bill,' Tarantino's first set of films since 1997's 'Jackie Brown,' Thurman plays the Bride, a former hired gun -- or in this case a hired sword -- who is shot and left for dead on her wedding day by her corrupt boss and ex-lover Bill (B-movie and cult favorite DAVID CARRADINE). Five years later she wakes from a coma seeking vengeance on him and his lethal crew of assassins: VIVICA A. FOX, LUCY LIU, MICHAEL MADSEN and Daryl.

After killing Vernita Green (Fox) and O-Ren Ishii (Liu), the queen of the Tokyo underworld, The Bride continues to hunt down the remaining crew on her death list: Elle Driver (Hannah), Budd (Madsen) and ultimately, Bill. The situation becomes complicated, however, when she learns that the baby she was carrying is still alive -- and Bill is the father.

So, about that nasty catfight. "In the screenplay, it referred to our fight as the greatest catfight of all time," explains Daryl. "And then [Quentin] ended up calling us the 'war of the gargantuas,' like Godzilla and Rodan." But Daryl says that Quentin had seen "Jackass" just days before they were supposed to start shooting the big scene and "he said we were doing it differently, [he's] re-written the whole thing, and suddenly my fight scene became like a 'Jackass' episode."

Daryl says Elle Driver's nurse outfit is based on Nurse Rached's from 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' and her character has a bit of Frankenfurter's "vampy way" from 'The Rocky Horror Picture Show.' As for that infamous eye patch, "In 'Vol. 2,' you do find out how I lost my eye, and it will make you despise my character even more, if that were possible." Daryl adds that she chose to put the patch over her right eye for a reason: "I used my dominant eye because I didn't want to break anyone's nose or knock anyone's teeth out when I was doing the fight sequence."
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Post by: MacGuffin on April 02, 2004, 09:35:57 AM
TV commercial #2 here. (http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/IJKLM/Kill-Bill-Vol2/TVSpot2/)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on April 02, 2004, 10:02:28 AM
when uma rolls that chair around... I nearly pissed myself.
I can't wait!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Fernando on April 02, 2004, 11:47:23 AM
Source: http://filmforce.ign.com/killbill/articles/503/503774p1.html

** NON SPOILERS **

Kill Bill Vol. 2 Memo
IGN FilmForce reminds you to...
 
April 01, 2004 - Stay seated. Don't worry... No spoilers here.

Let's say you're sitting in the theater.  You've just experienced Kill Bill Vol. 2. The credits begin and everyone starts to leave.

Now, you're smart enough not to do that, aren't you?

Everyone's on the way out.  The movie then kicks in with a title card sequence that's sure to please. Naturally everyone stops to watch. Inconvenient, but necessary.

And then blackness… and the regular credits role, and except for the diehards, the theater empties. The credits go on and on.  Tarantino finishes his musical statement.

Then, for those who waited, there's a little something. Just a little, but it involves a key moment.

Now go, and let us never speak of this again.


I dont know if this could be a joke, still I love to see credits rolling at the end anyway.
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Post by: ono on April 03, 2004, 11:19:12 PM
Saw a commercial for Kill Bill Vol. 2 during SNL, so, y'know, that was kinda cool.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: tpfkabi on April 04, 2004, 02:05:12 PM
it's less than 2 weeks before release and i haven't read any screening reviews yet. i figured someone would have seen it by now.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 04, 2004, 02:08:06 PM
Ebert and Roeper gave it Two Thumbs Up.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on April 04, 2004, 03:19:52 PM
Quote from: El Duderino
Ebert and Roeper gave it Two Thumbs Up.

Correction: Two Thumbs WAY Up!
And what's more important to note: Ebert found it was better than Volume 1. He said Vol 1 didn't go on his 10 Best Films list last year but that Vol 2 will be on his Best 10 this year.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 04, 2004, 03:32:56 PM
did they say anything else about it of note?  or is there a link or something.  ebert must be a pretty good at predicting the future to know that he wont see 10 better movies this year, although that could mean this is REALLY REALLY good.  he gave the first one 4 stars didnt he?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Weak2ndAct on April 04, 2004, 03:37:18 PM
Quote from: Cinephile
Quote from: El Duderino
Ebert and Roeper gave it Two Thumbs Up.

Correction: Two Thumbs WAY Up!
And what's more important to note: Ebert found it was better than Volume 1. He said Vol 1 didn't go on his 10 Best Films list last year but that Vol 2 will be on his Best 10 this year.

 :crazyeyes:  :yabbse-tongue:  :multi:  :yabbse-exclamation:  :!: KLJHoiuhgdopiwyehwdohqwdoh
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on April 04, 2004, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
did they say anything else about it of note?  or is there a link or something.  ebert must be a pretty good at predicting the future to know that he wont see 10 better movies this year, although that could mean this is REALLY REALLY good.  he gave the first one 4 stars didnt he?

I'm sure there'll be a link tomorrow on Ebert & Roeper's site. It was a great segment, both of them equally creaming their pants over it.
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Post by: brockly on April 04, 2004, 06:42:18 PM
Roeper also said that Carradine deserved an oscar nod. How amateur of him!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 04, 2004, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers
Roeper also said that Carradine deserved an oscar nod. How amateur of him!


agreed.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on April 04, 2004, 08:50:57 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
did they say anything else about it of note?


Quote from: Roger Ebert said; not
Tarantino uses a lot of dialogue in Volume 2...


Their reviews stressed Tarantino's dialogue in this film, and talked about how great the characters were. Two things that gave me some hope for Volume 2.
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Post by: matt35mm on April 04, 2004, 09:00:29 PM
Another thing is that, based on the clips, this looks visually great.

As good as Vol. 1 looked visually, this actually looks 3 times better.

And I am a sucker for kung-fu training sequences.  Training with the master, etc.  I LOVE that stuff.
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Post by: tpfkabi on April 04, 2004, 09:29:27 PM
right after i made that post i checked Ain't it Cool News.......there is a little review there........i'm not sure how long it's been up there, so someone else may have mentioned it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on April 05, 2004, 11:10:26 AM
BILL SPEAKS: David Carradine Talks KILL BILL: VOL. 2
Source: RopeofSilicon

Seattle, WA - Dressed in a brown leather jacket that had a patch on the arm that read "Super Cool Man Chu, makers of Kill Bill" Carradine sat in his chair smoking a cigarette ready to take on questions, and we hit him with a lot of them, and beware there are a few spoilers in here, but nothing that you really wouldn't be able to assume after the first movie, but I felt I should let you know.

RopeofSilicon: Tell me about the scenes that were deleted where you fought Michael Jai White and his henchmen, and if they were even shot.
 
David: Yeah it was shot. There was a scene in the picture with Michael Jai White and a bunch of henchmen that was supposed to happen in a poker game, and then Quentin wrote another scene that he thought superceded that and he didn't think that he could have both scenes. So he basically cut it out of the picture before we shot it, but he loved the fight that he'd been working on for a couple of months and he really wanted Michael Jai White in the picture. So he invited him to Beijing just to do the fight and Michael said yes he would, so he wrote a new scene, but the thing is, he didn't want to let go of this moment, but it didn't really belong in the picture, at least that's what Quentin thought, but it'll be in the DVD.

RopeofSilicon: Where would it have gone in the storyline?

David: Well, that is the problem; nobody could quite figure that out. I could see one place where he could put it in but it would maybe slow the flow, and in its original concept it didn't belong in there, wasn't there. The thing they were trying to show had already been replaced by another scene he had written, so it didn't really make sense, to Quentin at least, to keep it in, and also I think he was struggling with time.

That scene in the chapel is the scene that is not in the original script, that's the scene that replaced the poker scene. We wanted to have this introduction of Bill. It's the introduction, that's what those scenes were made for, and you can't introduce him twice. I think that's why Michael's scene went out.

Because when he cut the picture in two pieces, the part at which he decided to cut it had to be, according to him, before you meet Bill, and you meet Bill in the very first scene in the second picture, it's actually pretty early in the script. So in the first movie he had a lot of space, there's some moments that are really spread out, he takes his time with it. The second movie, all of a sudden he's got all this material, and it's maybe two-thirds of the 200-page script that he's somehow gotta get into one movie, getting it down to two hours and nine minutes was really a problem and there's a few things that were cut out, and they're all juicy, everything we shot was pretty juicy, and I think most of it will get back into the DVD. That will be the life of the picture anyway. I mean people are gonna be watching it on DVD forever and we don't expect to see a Quentin Tarantino movie on network television.

RopeofSilicon: I heard a rumor that there was almost enough footage for three films.

David: Well the original idea was two 90-minute movies, Quentin had always thought that he might shoot another couple of scenes. I don't actually have a scene with Daryl Hannah and we wanted to have something that would delineate our relationship, how it happened that she got to be the number one lady, and it would also explain what's the matter between me and my brother Bud (Michael Madsen) because he won't talk to me and that can only be a woman, and it can only be Daryl, and you know that they hate each other. In the original concept none of that is to be explained, and at a certain point I asked Quentin, "So are you gonna shoot anymore footage like you were talking about?"

He said, "You know, if I can't make two movies out of the amount of stuff I have already shot I don't deserve to shoot anymore."

We shot the equivalent of 1.2 million feet of film and that's close to a record.
 
RopeofSilicon: Could you tell me about Bill's gradual move to becoming a more powerful presence as the movies go on, and was it intentional to keep him a mystery until Volume 2?

David: Well, it wasn't conceived that way at all, it was conceived as one movie and you've gotta keep Bill out of it for a while and wonder who is Bill and build up this idea that there's this incredibly powerful, cruel, maybe monstrous guy and then meeting him and discovering that you're like him. He is charming and all those kind of things, it was supposed to happen all in one movie. There was actually a close-up of me at the end of the first movie, and then he took that back out and he thought, "No, I'm gonna stick with this complete mystery."

It's hard to talk about the concept because splitting into two movies totally kind of changes the concept anyway and the result is you have two very different movies. The first movie is pure action and the second movie moves a lot faster actually, the cutting is much more choppy and much more Tarantino and GET IT ON, but the content is rambling and all over the place, which is more like what we are used to with Tarantino. I like the second movie better, of course I'm in it, and you know that helps too. [laughing]

RopeofSilicon: The scenes with the little girl had a real natural kind of paternal flow to them; you had a real natural relationship together. What tools did you use as an actor to balance the gentle fatherly figure with the murderous Bill?

David: You know, I can't even answer that, you know I just show up for work and do it, and you know I get along well with kids. If you think about it, in my career I've always been working with kids and I've already been kind of a mentor to the kids. In my series "Shane" you got that little kid and I was always dealing with little kids in "Kung Fu," Jodie Foster at ten years old is a great example. That comes totally natural to me and I live in a household with four kids, five-year-old twins that remind me a lot of the little girl in Kill Bill 2, and with Uma I was itching to work with her all the time, actually by the time we did this Uma and I knew each other pretty well, we'd already done the scene in the chapel and the stuff in Beijing.
 
RopeofSilicon: It seemed to come pretty natural to you; the whole final scene didn't even seem like acting.

David: Yeah, it didn't seem like acting to me either. I had a hard time watching it wondering if I'm really any good. Everybody is just telling me I'm wonderful, I knew I was getting away with it, but people saying, "You're great!" and I am thinking is that okay? Because it's just there, it's not like a constructive performance, which I am used to doing. Quentin kind of got me out of what I've done my whole career, which is constructive characters that had nothing to do with me; Oklahoma folk singer, the guy that started the Civil War, a Chinese shaolin kung-fu master priest, none of this is me, and with Bill Quentin just kept opening me to just be there, it was a new experience for me.

RopeofSilicon: How much input into the Bill character did you have?

David: Well, I guess a whole lot in that Quentin wrote it for me. Quentin was reading my autobiography and he'd seen a whole lot of my movies and he was a "Kung Fu" fan, he actually collects 16mm prints of "Kung Fu" and "Shane," he owns prints of that and that's hard to find and he can actually recite Americana, the picture I directed.

So I had a whole lot of influence on Bill's character before he even called me and we always talked a lot and sometimes I'd tell him something about the movie and then he'd change what he was doing and I'd go, ‘God what have I done?' [laughing] But it seemed to work out.
 
RopeofSilicon: You were the Tarantino new comer in this cast, how did it feel to be working with so many of his regulars? How did it feel like being part of the Quentin Tarantino family?

David: It felt like there was a romance between me and Quentin it was specific, had nothing to do with the rest of it. It was very clear that Uma was his muse and she was like his queen there, she wasn't any kind of charming courtier. She ran him to a certain extent, but she didn't, she didn't allow herself to do that, but you could see that she actually had control over Quentin if she wanted to exercise it.

I fell in love with Michael Madsen, Michael Parks (Sheriff Earl McGraw) is kind of a mentor of mine, the very first movie I made he was the star of it and we got to be friends, and Daryl I've known for a few years. The other thing is, the freshman I may be, but I was the oldest guy in the show, I was almost the oldest guy on the crew, I think maybe I was.

RopeofSilicon: How much improvisation was made on your monologues?

David: The whole Superman thing actually came from when we were in pre-production in Beijing and the cast is working out all day and Quentin is building sets and stuff and back at the hotel one evening I got a call from him and he asked, "Do you smoke cigars?" and I said yeah and he said, "Well there's a cigar lounge in this hotel you want to meet me up there?"

So we went up and we smoked cigars and we had this conversation about Superman and superheroes and all that and six days later there was a rewrite and there it was in the movie.

RopeofSilicon: Where does this movie rank in your career?

David: Number one.

It was nothing but fun, this whole picture. I think anybody who has ever worked with Quentin would run to his side. I don't think there's anybody who wouldn't. Quentin is constantly reinventing himself. I mean, yes, Michael Madsen has worked with him before, Michael Bowen has worked with him before, and he has this thing about working with Uma for the rest of her career, but he does move on. He can think up something new and work with new people, he wants to do that all the time, so who knows if I'll ever get another chance to work with him, but I would certainly run to his side.
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Post by: ©brad on April 05, 2004, 12:17:55 PM
what kinda release is this getting? will peeps in europe/aus be able to see it on the 16th too?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on April 05, 2004, 12:46:08 PM
In Portugal it's only on the 29th
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on April 05, 2004, 07:56:58 PM
Ebert & Roeper's review is now up: http://tvplex.go.com/buenavista/ebertandroeper/today.html
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Weak2ndAct on April 06, 2004, 01:44:36 AM
Todd McCarthy's review from Variety...

What Quentin Tarantino started with a wham he finishes with a bang in "Kill Bill Vol. 2," the supremely tasty and entrancingly elegant conclusion to the filmmaker's unique serving of deep-dish cinephilia. Originally conceived as one film, the two-parter that has finally emerged can now be seen as a truly epic work, a 247-minute revenge saga in which the raw materials of movie memories have been transformed into a deliriously personal reverie that generates a trance-like dramatic power of its own. Less exotic and spectacular than "Vol. 1," second half may not match the biz of the first installment, which debuted last October and generated $70 million in the U.S. and $108 internationally.
Long-term prospects are brawny for separate DVD releases ("Vol. 1," sans commentary, comes out domestically April 13, three days ahead of "Vol. 2" in theaters), then for a combination of the two volumes both theatrically and on home formats, an ultimate DVD with extras and so on.

Although a 15-minute opening seg, presented in glorious black-and-white scope, re-establishes the intention of the Bride (Uma Thurman) to "kill Bill" and elaborates the fatal day in El Paso when her wedding rehearsal was invaded by her former lover/boss and his Deadly Viper Assassination Squad, it is recommended that viewers not come to "Vol. 2" without having seen its predecessor.

But if this prologue, Chapter 6 out of 10 in the overall work, essentially recapitulates what we already know -- that Bill (David Carradine, essentially unseen in "Vol. 1") attacks the pregnant Bride to avenge her having left him -- it also immediately establishes a different tone. Instead of concentrating on the previously seen violence in this sequence -- there is none this time -- set-piece is dominated by a long, superbly written and acted interlude on the chapel porch wherein Bill and the Bride gingerly discuss the unfinished business between them while she tries to suss out what his intentions are.

Scene portends much of what "Vol. 2" will be like: significantly more dialogue-driven than the first half, with twin emphases on juicy lingo and emotion; dominated by two-character interchanges; and highlighted by sequences attenuated to an often outrageous and daring degree.

The Mexican and American Southwest settings and use of material from Ennio Morricone's scores rep the obvious ways in which "Vol. 2" derives from Sergio Leone, but equally important is the influence of the Italian master in pushing Tarantino to expand what could have been perfunctory scenes into hugely elaborated set-pieces; latter detailing is what gives "Vol. 2" its special charge for film buffs or anyone who keys into what Tarantino is up to.

Having spectacularly dispatched two of Bill's four assassins, played by Vivica A. Fox and Lucy Liu, in "Vol. 1," the Bride sets out here to track down Budd (Michael Madsen), Bill's trailer-trash younger brother. In a chapter entitled "The Lonely Grave of Paula Schultz," Budd, who lives in a craggy desert wasteland near Barstow, Calif., manages to turn the tables on the sword-wielding Bride and subject her to a fate sometimes described as worse than death: burial alive.

Briefly compressing the widescreen frame to the 1.33 format before turning the picture to black altogether, Tarantino suffocatingly conveys the terror of such torture, as the securely bound Bride finds herself in a tight coffin and must listen as piles of dirt are dumped on top of it, with the sounds gradually diminishing as the hole fills up. The sense of claustrophobia and hopelessness induces a cold sweat as she desperately tries to untie herself, but the panic is unexpectedly relieved with the abrupt arrival of Chapter 8, "The Cruel Tutelage of Pai Mei."

Suddenly, the Asian influence of "Vol. 1" is again thrust to the fore, as a flashback reveals Bill dropping his young protege off for training with a Chinese martial arts master (Hong Kong action stalwart Gordon Liu of "The 36th Chamber of Shaolin," aka "The Master Killer"). Warned by Bill that Pai Mei hates Caucasians, Americans and women, the Bride finds all that and more to be true, as she is systematically humiliated and beat up by her unforgiving teacher.

As Liu obviously has a field day as the master humorously decked out in abundant white hair and eyebrows and a flowing beard he habitually flips around, Tarantino has equal fun aping the conventions of '70s Shaw Brothers kung fu epics, working with the ever-inventive d.p. Robert Richardson to recapture even the cheesy color schemes and zoom lens reframings of those films.

Fortunately, this invigorating detour has a point, as the lessons of strength and concentration she learned at length from Pai Mei enable the Bride to escape from her grave and take on her other nemesis, Elle Driver (Daryl Hannah), the eye-patched hellcat who, like Budd, was briefly glimpsed in "Vol. 1."

Except for the lack of a left eye, Elle, who also studied with Pai Mei, would appear to be an even match for the Bride, a proposition put to the test in an amazing catfight between the two that is considerably more credible and satisfying than the one that opened "Vol. 1." Helped by Tarantino's inspired stroke of staging, the fearsome struggle within the cramped confines of Budd's trailer home, the two rangy blondes look like giants as they leap, lunge and toss one another off and through walls before the Bride concludes matters in a manner both grotesque and memorable.

Finally, there is nothing left for the Bride to do but to track down Bill himself. The journey starts with a visit to an elegant Mexican chap played with devastating elan by Michael Parks, briefly seen as a sheriff in "Vol. 1." In just this small role, Parks' charismatic intensity suddenly brings to mind what James Dean might have been like had he lived to old age, and it can only be hoped that the renewed attention brought by Tarantino's spotlight will result in some juicy late-career roles for this enigmatic actor.

Climax, naturally, involves the showdown between the Bride and Bill. While the latter proposes a duel much like the one that so strikingly concluded "Vol. 1," Tarantino pulls another surprise by wisely declining an attempt to top that formal sword fight. Instead, he loads the much-anticipated faceoff with talk.

Fortunately, it's very good talk, with passages, particularly a fascinating rumination on comicbook superheroes, that enable Carradine to round out his portrayal of a thoroughly evil character with genuinely human dimensionality. The opportunity Warren Beatty bypassed has been seized with relaxed but focused determination by the former "Kung Fu" star in one of the two top bigscreen performances of his career, in which there are occasional ghostly echoes of both his father and John Huston.

Final stretch also receives an added emotional charge via the presence of the child (no surprise) Bill fathered and, upon her birth, took from the comatose Bride. This maternal element, in addition to the advantages of more dialogue and a presumed growing into the part, boosts Thurman to a performance that now, in the long haul, seems great. Status of the Bride as one of the supreme female action heroes of filmdom appears indisputable, and Thurman has come through the character's multitudinous physical and emotional rigors with something genuinely estimable.

Enormously extended end credits, which are entertaining in their own right, should be sat through for what comes after, a final line that amusingly confirms Tarantino's urge not to let go of this project. With the DVD still to come, he no doubt hasn't yet.

Beginning with its delightfully retro black-and-white rear projection shots of Thurman driving in a convertible and looking for all the world like Lana Turner in (the referenced) "The Postman Always Rings Twice," pic continues as a stylistic wonder, a dizzying example of cinematic sampling that abundantly shows Tarantino's love and innate gift for filmmaking.

Richardson's cinematography, Sally Menke's editing, David Wasco's and Cao Jui Ping's production design and the original score by the RZA and (for Mexican interludes) Robert Rodriguez are smart, resourceful and alive, with innumerable other craft contributions following in kind.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on April 06, 2004, 03:31:03 AM
SPOILERS for those avoiding the article



Quote
Briefly compressing the widescreen frame to the 1.33 format before turning the picture to black altogether, Tarantino suffocatingly conveys the terror of such torture


can somebody please explain to me what this means? what's 1.33 format? is that like super widescreen or something?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ghostboy on April 06, 2004, 03:58:53 AM
It'll have black bars on the side.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: nix on April 06, 2004, 03:23:16 PM
I am so motherfucking pumped.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Fernando on April 06, 2004, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: Ghostboy
It'll have black bars on the side.


GB, when are you seeing this one? Make sure to post your thoughts spoiler free.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on April 06, 2004, 06:22:12 PM
just saw the stuff on ET - i think i can officially say I am SO GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING EXCITED to see this.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 06, 2004, 06:45:39 PM
New Trailer here (http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/killbill2qt1.html)

this trailer is really really really cool, IMO
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on April 06, 2004, 07:35:20 PM
is the trailer available anyhere else?  it was reported to be on msn.com, aol.com, and quicktime.com as well but i am having no luck with those sites.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 06, 2004, 09:41:53 PM
You guys, it hasn't even come out yet and this is on page 22. I hope your girlfriends don't mind all of those nasty blisters...
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Post by: MacGuffin on April 06, 2004, 10:08:30 PM
Quote from: mutinyco
girlfriends


 :rofl:





 :yabbse-undecided:



 :yabbse-embarassed:



 :yabbse-lipsrsealed:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on April 06, 2004, 10:33:13 PM
i have one....and shes never complained
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 07, 2004, 12:19:11 AM
I suppose these girlfriends wouldn't mind...

http://julesjordan.com/
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on April 07, 2004, 12:23:10 AM
Quote from: mutinyco
I suppose these girlfriends wouldn't mind...

http://julesjordan.com/

I don't understand the purpose of posting that link.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Kal on April 07, 2004, 12:25:48 AM
The new trailer is up

http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/kill_bill/volume_II/trailer/

and its awsome!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on April 07, 2004, 12:27:54 AM
Quote from: andyk
The new trailer is up

http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/kill_bill/volume_II/trailer/

and its awsome!

And it's already been posted too. But that's fine. This one seems to be better quality (unless I'm crazy).
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 07, 2004, 01:30:48 AM
Um, okay. First I wondered, considering that there were already 22 pages and the film wasn't out yet, how everybody's girlfriends felt about the blisters on their dicks. Then a few people, including Mac, joked at the idea of anybody here having a girlfriend. So then I suggested Mr. Jordan's fun family site, since the girls there would have no problems or knowledge of their shaft abrasions.

Hope that helped.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on April 07, 2004, 01:49:31 AM
Quote from: mutinyco
So then I suggested Mr. Jordan's fun family site, since the girls there would have no problems or knowledge of their shaft abrasions.

When I laugh at something you say, I'll get back to you pronto.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SHAFTR on April 07, 2004, 02:42:00 AM
Quote from: mutinyco
how everybody's girlfriends felt about the blisters on their dicks. Then a few people, including Mac, joked at the idea of anybody here having a girlfriend.


After that said...I really hope you have a girlfriend.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on April 07, 2004, 06:43:11 AM
And now one of you says "I overreacted" and the other "YOU OVERREACTED?" and then you kill each other...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cron on April 07, 2004, 07:07:45 AM
Spoilers free.

Found: where Tarantino gets his ideas

With his latest release, the director 'borrows' from other films more heavily than ever. Steve Rose has seen them

Tuesday April 6, 2004
The Guardian
 
It is almost easier to list the films that haven't influenced Quentin Tarantino than those that have. The voluble director never seems to tire of pointing out all the movies he's referenced, paid tribute to, been inspired by or simply ripped off wholesale. With his latest release, Kill Bill Vol 2, Tarantino's "borrowing" has reached unprecedented proportions. The film is made almost entirely from elements of other films, mainly what Tarantino refers to as "grindhouse cinema": a catch-all term for movies that played in cheap US cinemas in the 1970s - Hong Kong martial arts flicks, Japanese samurai movies, blaxploitation films and spaghetti westerns.

It would take a cinephile as nerdy as Tarantino himself to account for the exact details of what's being referenced when and how - and, of course, there are plenty of those. The Quentin Tarantino Archives fansite (tarantino.info) identifies some 80 movies that inspired Kill Bill, from Hitchcock's Marnie ("has the exact same nurse-walking-down-corridor scene") to Japanese retro-horror Goke: Bodysnatcher From Hell ("for the orange sunset sky behind the plane").

Four key films playing at the ICA's Kill Bill Connection (alongside parts one and two of Kill Bill itself) are more revealing. All were made between 1972 and 1974, and the only American one is The Doll Squad, a kitsch low-budget B-movie prioritising costume and soundtrack over dramatic rigour. It was directed by the prolific Ted V Mikels, who later claimed that the TV series Charlie's Angels was directly influenced by his vision of voluptuous female agents equally versed in combat and seduction. The Doll Squad was itself indebted to Bond-like spy thrillers and the works of Russ Meyer, and it's an obvious template for Kill Bill's own female agent team, the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad.

More interesting in their own right are the three foreign films: Lady Snowblood and Female Convict Scorpion: Jailhouse 41, both from Japan, and the aptly titled Thriller: En Grym Film, from Sweden. All three prefigure Kill Bill's central theme of wronged women seeking revenge. Lady Snowblood is a 19th-century swordswoman going after the men who killed her mother's husband; Scorpion is an escaped convict gunning for the cruel warden who locked her up. The harder-hitting Thriller (so hardcore it was banned in Sweden) follows an innocent girl who is turned into a mutilated, heroin-addicted sex slave, and turns the tables on her captors. Tarantino particularly pointed Daryl Hannah toward it; her character's eye patch is a tribute to Thriller's heroine.

It's striking just how much Tarantino has lifted from these films. Lady Snowblood, in particular, is practically a template for the whole of Kill Bill Vol 1, right down to a climactic fight at a masked party. On this basis it would be easy to dismiss him as an unoriginal film-maker, stealing from better films that nobody else is likely to see - but Tarantino wouldn't be the first person to make a film without formulating a brand new cinematic language. In a recent interview, he compared Kill Bill's relationship with 1970s grindhouse cinema to that which Raiders of the Lost Ark had with movie serials of the 1930s and 40s. But he could have picked more recent targets. The makers of the Matrix movies, for example, mined similar areas of Asian action cinema, but concealed it beneath a patina of Hollywood glitz. Tarantino leaves his references on the surface for all to see, or obsessively list and put on a fansite, if they're so inclined.

In this respect, Tarantino could be seen to be serving a valuable function: bringing otherwise marginal films back into the mainstream. Since the remake of zombie movie Dawn of the Dead recently topped the US box office, some have argued that "cult" cinema is the mainstream. But how many of us would have known films like those showing at the ICA existed without Quentin?

Beyond the name-checking, Tarantino has worked to bring his favourite forgotten movies to light. At his instigation, Hollywood studio Miramax formed the now-defunct Rolling Thunder Pictures to distribute and re-release specialty movies of the type Tarantino would describe as "cool", such as Chungking Express and Takeshi Kitano's Sonatine. "Cool" is a word Tarantino uses a great deal. It's the adjective of choice for his characters, and most of the films Tarantino references in his movies he would describe as cool - particularly those in Kill Bill (which is brought to you by his production company, Super Cool Manchu).

It might be reasonable to ask what exactly Tarantino finds so cool about these movies. Most of them are from the time when impressionable young Quentin was probably at his most movie-obsessed - he was born in 1963, and has often claimed that his mother took him to movies most parents would have considered him too young to see. The theme of powerful and violent women is perhaps one for the psychoanalysts, but with many of the foreign films, a recurring theme is the way they reflect American culture. The samurai and kung-fu films rehashed western (both western hemisphere and cowboy western) themes in the postwar years. Or else they borrowed from Hollywood as barefacedly as Kill Bill borrows from them.

Similarly, films like Female Convict Scorpion and Lady Snowblood were inspired by popular exploitation genres such as the "women's prison" movie and the "rape-revenge" drama. These stock settings were redeployed to the point of exhaustion in low-budget American movies of the 1970s, but many of the Japanese variations were fresher and more accomplished, or else amusingly ignorant of the conventions they were borrowing. They were just as cheaply made, but were far more adventurous formally, and ingeniously economical in their storytelling. Lady Snowblood, for example, uses stills and illustration for parts of the narrative that were too expensive to film, just as Kill Bill uses Japanese-style animation to break up the narrative. Tarantino's film returns the compliment these foreign movies paid to US cinema, even to the extent of being woefully ignorant: Japanese audiences found Uma Thurman's pronunciation of their language hilariously inaccurate.

One problem with Kill Bill's quotation of all these "cool" movies, though, is that when the films are divorced from their original contexts, they are drained of all meaning. Beyond their aesthetic attributes, the movies playing at the ICA's Kill Bill season are remarkable for their political purpose: Lady Snowblood addresses Japan's postwar purification and reintegration. One of the victims in Female Convict Scorpion boasts of raping Chinese women during the second world war, while Thriller, for all its sex and violence, is a scathing attack on patriarchal 1970s society. What does Kill Bill represent? Is it about anything other than being cool?

On the one hand, Tarantino could be compared to those trend-spotters hired by lifestyle corporations, finding obscure and forgotten tributaries of cinema and channelling them into the mainstream. On the other hand, he is the insecure nerd who would rather reassemble other "cool" movies than put anything of his own up on the screen. But perhaps the forthcoming volume two of Kill Bill will reveal a hidden depth to Tarantino.

And if not, there's still plenty of time for him to make amends. As much as being a film about other films, Kill Bill is a film about the love of film. Nobody could accuse Tarantino of being insincere in his love of movies, even if it does afford him the occasional chance to act out his fantasy of living in one.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 07, 2004, 01:22:51 PM
Ci-ne-phi-le...must be Italian...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on April 07, 2004, 03:01:22 PM
*checks watch*
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 07, 2004, 03:35:22 PM
What time have you got?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 07, 2004, 03:40:42 PM
[silence]
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 07, 2004, 03:42:30 PM
Must be digital then.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on April 07, 2004, 04:20:59 PM
..... if you had said analogue instead of digital that would have been a great post and I would have felt like fool. but you didn't. fuck man!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on April 07, 2004, 04:32:09 PM
Way to screw up, mutinyco.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 07, 2004, 05:32:24 PM
How's that again? If there's silence it's probably digital. Most analog clocks I can think of make some type of ticking sound.

tick-tock...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on April 07, 2004, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers
*checks watch*

*bows*
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on April 07, 2004, 06:14:04 PM
There's a lot of love in the room.....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on April 07, 2004, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal
There's a lot of love in the room.....


Kill is love.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 07, 2004, 06:35:20 PM
Bill is love.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on April 07, 2004, 06:39:50 PM
I bring you love!

And the Dennis Miller ratio starts ... now.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 07, 2004, 06:49:51 PM
Well, if you're bringing love, please at least take a shower first...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 07, 2004, 07:41:54 PM
"I might've...overreacted."
"You...overreacted?"

i love it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on April 08, 2004, 02:40:53 AM
Official site is up:

http://www.kill-bill.com/
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on April 08, 2004, 02:53:03 AM
quite a nice site. the music is amazing!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on April 08, 2004, 11:08:15 AM
UK poster:

(http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/Images/MoviePics/k/killbill2.jpg)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on April 08, 2004, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
UK poster:

they sure know how to live.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 08, 2004, 07:34:06 PM
(http://content.rollingstone.com/content/71878/Images/00343665.jpg)

Rolling Stone Article (http://rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=2894)

i think they'd make such a badass couple
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on April 08, 2004, 07:41:19 PM
Is this already posted?

http://tvplex.go.com/buenavista/ebertandroeper/today.html
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 08, 2004, 07:44:58 PM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal
Is this already posted?

http://tvplex.go.com/buenavista/ebertandroeper/today.html


sure is
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on April 08, 2004, 08:12:13 PM
It just wouldn't be the Tarantino forum with double and triple posting of the same news.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on April 08, 2004, 08:17:28 PM
Sorry..... I was lazy to check out more than one page  :(
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on April 08, 2004, 11:32:28 PM
Wanna watch two film clips (at your own risk, of course)?

"Sweet" here. (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/movies/clips/1808504212/1808560509/?http://mediaframe.yahoo.com/launch?lid=rnv-56-p.1265064-127527,rnv-100-p.1265065-127527,rnv-300-p.1265066-127527,wmv-56-p.1265067-127527,wmv-100-p.1265068-127527,wmv-300-p.1265069-127527&p=movies&f=1808504212&.spid=1808560509&.dist=Miramax%20Films&type=c%22,500,590);)

"New Student" here. (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/movies/clips/1808504212/1808560512/?http://mediaframe.yahoo.com/launch?lid=wmv-100-p.1265080-127529,wmv-300-p.1265081-127529,rnv-56-p.1265076-127529,rnv-100-p.1265077-127529,rnv-300-p.1265078-127529,wmv-56-p.1265079-127529&p=movies&f=1808504212&.spid=1808560512&.dist=Miramax%20Films&type=c%22,500,590);)

In Windows or Real Player format.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on April 09, 2004, 04:22:57 PM
From the current Entertainment Weekly:

(http://i.timeinc.net/ew/covergallery/img/2004/apr162004_760_lg.jpg)


Total Tarantino
Calling all Quentin Tarantino fans -- here's the complete transcript of our interview with the ''Kill Bill'' director

(http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/040408/163958__tarantino_l.jpg)

*READ AT OWN RISK - SOME SPOILERS*

In late March, Quentin Tarantino invited Entertainment Weekly's executive editor Mary Kaye Schilling to his L.A. home, where she interviewed him for the magazine's April 16 cover story. For those of you who don't want to miss a detail (like the fact that the ''Kill Bill'' director has never seen ''The Sopranos''), here's a special bonus: the complete transcript of their three-hour talk. Unlike some of the Bride's victims, this interview is uncut.

Let's start with ''Kill Bill 2.'' Turns out it's a love story. Who knew? But I'm not just talking about Bill and the Bride. And somehow I don't think we've seen the last of her.
I love the Bride. I LOVE her, all right? I want her to be happy. I don't want to come up with screwed-up scenarios that she has to fight the whole rest of her life. I killed myself to put her in a good place at the end of this long journey. So when I was even thinking about the idea of a trilogy, I wanted to give her 10 years of peace, 10 years of motherhood. She deserves peace after all this.

Without giving too much else away, after the Bride kills Bill, she seems to retire. Do you have a fantasy of what the Bride's future is? Will she kill again?
Oh, I know what happens to her. Initially I was thinking this would be my ''Dollars'' trilogy. I was going to do a new one every 10 years -- the first one starting when Uma was 30, the second when she's 40, and the last when she's 50. Now we're not going to do that because I need at least 15 years before I do this again. Uma and I can do something else together, but picking this thing up again, we need distance, and a decade ain't enough.

That passionate connection with your main characters -- it really comes across in your films.
Well, the thing is, the characters are also me. I consider myself a Method writer. I am the Bride, and I started taking on little feminine tendencies during the writing process, and just like an actor you go with it. It was great to look at the world for [over a] year with that perspective.

One of the jokes in the first film is that Uma's character is known only as the Bride; anytime she says her name, it's bleeped. Bill refers to her as ''kiddo,'' and what you learn in ''2'' is that that's actually her last name -- Beatrix Kiddo. Where did that name come from?
You think they've been hiding her name, but Bill's been saying it all along. Uma came up with the name Beatrix -- she worked for somebody with that name. And I came up with Kiddo. That's what I call women -- when I really like a girl, I call her ''kiddo.''

Bill's Superman monologue was inspired -- a real geek-a-thon, not to mention Jungian. How did you come up with it?
The genesis was in the first subtextual piece I ever read in my life. Now I love textual film criticism -- I love that the critic really gets to be the artist; it really doesn't matter what the writer or director was thinking. But this piece was in this one big book about comic books -- I don't remember the name -- and I was 12 or 13, and basically the point was that when Superman wakes up in the morning, he's Superman. A radioactive spider didn't bite him, nothing happened to him. He is who he is. Would he be so super on the Planet Krypton? No. But he's not there. So over the years I would tell the story more and more, and flesh it out and start adding to the thesis and working it. The Madonna speech in ''Reservoir Dogs,'' or the Sicilian speech in ''True Romance'' -- all that happened in the same way, with verbiage, going off on a thought, trying to be entertaining, thought-provoking, going for the laughs. That's where the Superman speech came out of, but it was never intended for this movie until we were in Beijing preproduction. We all went out to dinner and that subject came up -- this cool little story and everyone liked it.

So going with your premise that for Superman, unlike with other superheroes, the human part of him is the mask, the part being played, do you have a Clark Kent?
Oh gosh. Good -- that is what really got me thinking about that question too. You know, I don't think I do. Truth be told, I don't think the people who like me want my act cleaned up. I think my outsider energy is one of the things people generally respond to. I might clean up, and sometimes I want to look handsome, dress in nice stuff...

Perhaps that's the mask -- grown up.
A little bit of -- yeah, okay, exactly.

How could ''Kill Bill'' have ever been one movie? Were any scenes moved around once the decision was made?
I ultimately decided to split it up because for the audience to get what I spent a year and a half writing, you have to see everything that's in ''1'' and ''2.'' It actually does work as one movie, because we didn't have to move it all around, create something that wasn't there, spin a bunch of bulls--- that wasn't really organic to the story. Where the tone changes at the beginning of the second movie? It happens exactly right there [in the script].

Would you have considered four hours with an intermission?
There's something very pretentious about a four-hour exploitation movie. It's like I'm not playing fair. And I do think movies are more audience-friendly in theaters, for a broad audience, and I want as many people to see the movies as possible. So at most it would have been 3 hours and 10 minutes, or something like that.

There were critics who bemoaned your return to violence with ''Kill Bill -- Vol. 1,'' especially after the more sedate and mature themes of ''Jackie Brown.'' ''Vol. 2'' is more character-driven, quieter, and the carnage is pretty minimal. But ultimately, do you care what critics think?
If you're approaching somebody's work from an auteur point of view, and you like them, then, you know, it's almost the job of the critic to be a little precious. You don't want to see directors you like going off in the wrong direction or make too much of a left turn. That's good for criticism. I understand that. But one thing that was semi-annoying to me in reading a couple of the reviews for ''Vol. 1'' was, ''Oh, this is a very wild technique and style is cranked up and the technique has gone up, but it's a clear retreat from 'Jackie Brown,' and the growing maturity was in there.'' ''Clear retreat'' says I'm running away from what I did in ''Jackie Brown.'' I've done it. I don't have to prove that I can do a [mature character study], all right? And after ''Vol. 1'' I don't have to prove that I can do a good action scene.

My filmography is really important to me, and I want every one of my movies to count. Stephen King took a dig at me [in EW] for starting off ''Kill Bill'' with ''Quentin Tarantino's Fourth Film'' -- you know, la-di-da! I can imagine someone taking a cynical view like that. But to me, I mean it, and not in some airy-fairy way. This is my fourth movie and I haven't done anything in a long time. It's telling you who I am so far today. And the fifth and sixth with hopefully tell you something else too. They are all different places. I hope you invite [King] back to review ''Vol. 2.'' Even if he doesn't like it, I'm interested in what he thinks.

Do you think your fan base will be disappointed by ''Vol. 2'''s drop in carnage? A measly 12 people (including the wedding party of ''Vol. 1'') meet their end, as opposed to nearly five times as many in ''Vol. 1'' -- not to mention the many more who get limbs whacked off.
I can't imagine that would be the case. My fans are into my dialogue as much as anything else.

''Pulp Fiction'' included biblical references and ''Kill Bill'' includes references to God. What are your religious beliefs? Do you believe in God?
I'm not going to tell you how I believe in God, but I do believe in God.

Speaking of violence and religion, have you see ''The Passion of the Christ''?
No, but I really want to.

How about ''The Sopranos''? Are you a fan?
I've actually never seen it, and that's not a judgment on the show -- I just haven't had a chance to see it.

What were your feelings about Peter Biskind's book ''Down and Dirty Pictures''? You play a big part in it, and though you come across as a trailblazer and an often generous guy, there's some sniping about betrayal and egomania from friends. Did you feel misrepresented in any way?
I don't think I came across that bad. I actually thought Biskind had a touch of affection for me in the writing. As long as people have affection for me, I'm not expecting any one article or book to capture me, to get me completely. But he misrepresented Harvey Weinstein in it to, like, a gigantic degree. At the same time, Harvey is also the most interesting character in the book. I told Harvey, you're a hero and villain, but your villain is of Bondian proportions.

When you go to see movies, are you watching as a fan or as a filmmaker -- you know, fixing sloppy editing or rewriting scenes in your head?
I'm normally a film fan. That's my goal. If I see mistakes in tone or rhythm, I might start thinking, Okay, I would do this. But I can still enjoy the film. If I were teaching a class or having a serious conversation with somebody about it, I could point out deficiencies here and there -- deficiencies I wouldn't allow in my own work -- but I forgive it if I like it. A movie doesn't have to do everything. A movie just has to do a couple of things. If it does those well and gives you a cool experience, a cool night at the movies, an emotion, that's good enough, man. But movies that get it all right are few and far between. It got to a point in the '80s when you didn't even hold a bad ending against a movie, because every movie had a cop-out ending. If you were going to hold bad endings against movies you'd never have liked anything.

If you were teaching a class on your own films, what deficiencies would you point out?
If you ask me, the answer is none. I'm sure somebody else might find weaknesses, but I can't. If there's a weakness, I don't do it -- you'd never see the scene.

What are some recent movies you've enjoyed?
I can't believe it, but I really liked the remake of ''Dawn of the Dead.'' It was terrific. I was actually almost offended when [they announced they were] remaking ''Dawn of the Dead'' -- I mean, the idea of remaking a George Romero film without George Romero! I just wish they hadn't called it ''Dawn of the Dead'' because then I could really embrace it, because I have to compare the two and there are things about the remake that do not compare favorably at all. But I was really taken by what a good director [Zack Snyder] is.

I missed the amateurishness of the actors in Romero's ''Dead'' movies. For some reason, you cared about them more.
That was one of the wonderful things about Romero, especially at that time. He cast these Pittsburgh actors. They have interesting faces, and they are giving their all, and since you don't have any past association with them, you just completely buy into their characters in this environment, this world gone wrong. They become your friends. It wasn't like a character in a movie just got killed, it was like, Oh, this is horrible. Even the zombies became characters.

One of the things your movies always get noticed for is the acting. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that you have gotten either the best performance or one of the best performances out of every actor you've worked with. Any sense of why that is? Does it have to do with writing your characters with actors in mind?
It's a mixed bag. The most I ever wrote for one person is ''Kill Bill,'' for Uma. But I do write characters for certain actors, like, say, Honey Bunny and Pumpkin in ''Pulp Fiction.'' They were written for Amanda Plummer and Tim Roth. And sometimes I write characters for actors who don't play them, and then I have to reinvent the character. And sometimes I don't write for actors at all, and just audition people and find the character, in which case you're going to find somebody who is that -- an actor who has those qualities naturally. If you're writing for someone in particular, obviously they have a strength you want to feature and play with in a fun movie way. You know, like Uma's blondness is a big deal in ''Kill Bill,'' and I'm really playing with that, even by the people I'm matching her up with. But it's cool to write for somebody and you don't get that somebody. It's happened in every one of my movies.

You mean like Warren Beatty, the original Bill, versus David Carradine? [Beatty felt Carradine was better suited to the role.]
Exactly. The danger that can happen when you've imagined one actor [doing a part] is that you can get bored with it before you've seen it. As a director you try to avoid giving the performance for the actor in your brain, before they have actually had a chance at it.

How would Bill have been different if Beatty had played him?
With Warren, Bill was much more of a James Bond character -- James Bond as a villain. There was more of an old sexy lion, which David has too. But, you know, it was much more playing with the subtextual analogy of Bill as a killer pimp and these are his bitches. We are talking about killing, but we could have been talking about f---ing. David had more of a mystical quality and that became much more important at the end [of the movie]. My whole thing is I'm going to do it so well, you can never imagine Warren Beatty.

So you really use the personalities of your actors to create your characters.
Very much so. Actually, to answer it correctly, I have written the character, and actors who work for me don't need to go out and find somebody that's like this person to teach them how to be this person. Daryl Hannah has said that it was really cool that I gave her her character's whole back story. But I'm also trying to find out who the actor is so I can add that to the character.... People always ask me who are actors you'd like to work with. Well, you know, there's a lot of actors I'd love to work with, but I don't think that way. I want to come up with the right combination of character and movie and actor. And I think that's one of the reasons why my casting is so good, and why the actors are so good.

Well, why should we be any different? Who would you like to work with?
Tom Hanks. He's got kind of a snide side in real life that I really like. It's a biting sense of humor that hasn't 100 percent been capitalized on. And he doesn't need to super-capitalize on it. He's a wonderful comedic actor -- I've loved his comic performances in the '80s. I've wanted to work with Johnny Depp forever, and Johnny Depp has wanted to work with me forever, but it has to be special. The same thing with Daniel Day-Lewis. But usually the opposite happens. They get the actor, and then, okay, f--- it if it's right or not, make it right, all right?

After seeing ''Reservoir Dogs,'' I never would have pegged you for a feminist. But ''Jackie Brown'' and ''Kill Bill'' are female empowerment fests -- and Jackie and the Bride are certainly two of the most multidimensional women ever to be seen in genre films.
I definitely do have a feminist [sensibility]. I almost feel weird about categorizing it as ''feminist.'' Not because I am demonizing the word, but I think it's more of a femininity, an appreciation for women rather than a label. But I mean, it's not hard to figure it out if you think about it. I was raised by a single mom who came from white-trash beginnings. She created a very nice career for herself as an executive -- a legend in her own time in the HMO field. From the very beginning I never considered that there were boundaries, things a woman can and can't do. I had my mom as an example of someone who came from nothing and she was going out to eat in nice restaurants, paying her own way. She had nice s---, she drove a Cadillac Seville, and she was living the life.

Is she in a lot of your female characters? Is she Jackie Brown?
She's a little of Jackie Brown, but ''Jackie Brown'' actually has a person, my second mother, a woman named Jackie Watts. She was my mother's best friend when they were two hot chicks in the '70s. Jackie was black. Mom is half white and half Cherokee, and they had it going on.

Your characters clearly reflect a childhood with strong women and lots of racial diversity.
Completely. My house was like the United Nations. And my mom, you know, white guys, black guys, Mexican guys -- it was all good. But I also think I'm just empathetic -- I have empathy for people, their situation, their problems, their specialness. I can see their specialness.

One recurring theme in your films is loneliness -- not in the American sense, as in a bad thing. It's a loneliness of choice. A spaghetti Western kind of loner. Does that reflect your own preference?
That's a good question. I have a lot of friends, and I like hanging out with individuals and cliques of friends. Like I was hanging was out with Sofia Coppola and her friends recently, while all this ''Lost in Translation'' stuff has been going on. It was a nice distraction, so I wasn't so self-obsessed about [''Kill Bill'']. It's always fun to be in love with someone else's movie; I'd rather talk about other people's movies than mine.

But as much as I like that, I am a loner. If you're an only child and grow up by yourself, you get comfortable with your own company. I can have a great time reading or watching movies or listening to music by myself. I like going places and seeing things through another person's eyes, but I also like seeing them from my own eyes too.

You're now in your 40s, and you've suddenly got kids in your movies.
Yeah, and they're just as violent as everyone else [laughs]. I can honestly say that I don't think all that baby stuff would have been in ''Kill Bill'' if I hadn't written the part for Uma. We are best friends, and when I was writing the script it was a good excuse to hang out with her. And if you hang out with Uma, you're going to hang out with her daughter Maya. It was the most I'd ever been in close proximity with a [then-4-year-old] girl, and we had a wonderful connection. I love her, and now I have a connection with Uma's son, Levon. I've known him his entire life. He likes me because of the way I talk with my hands [laughing].

Do you think about having kids?
Oh yeah, totally. Actually, the truthful answer to that is that Maya made me want to have kids. [She] also showed me that I would be a really good father.

Was turning 40 hard for you?
No, it wasn't hard. I couldn't be doing better than I'm doing. I could not be doing more than I want to do. The privileges I have are vast. I've got all the money I could ever need. I mean, I'm not talking grandiose, but just to live like Elvis Presley on crack, all right? Also, I hate working, so I'll never have to work for a living again.

You hate working except for making movies....
Exactly. But I never want to have to WORK at movies. I never have to make a movie to pay for my pool or to reposition myself in Hollywood. I can make a movie when I mean it. I have a really fortunate position in this industry. I am actually allowed via both the success I've had in the past and my relationship with Miramax, and particularly with Harvey and Bob Weinstein -- I am able to truly, in this town, live the life of an artist.

You've been quoted as saying that you've created an infallible career, that you don't fear anything. There's got to be something that scares you artistically or career-wise.
I'm not afraid of this, but I am taking precautions: I don't want to be an old director. A lot of the ['70s] movie brats have gotten old and it shows in their work, and I don't want that. And I'm not picking on them because you go back 100 years and directors don't get better as they get older. I really do think directing is a young man's game. I want all of my films to be good. Look, there might very well come a time where, you know, as you get older your interests change, you have older interests. Not everything has to be so visceral or kinetic. If I say Martin Scorsese's movies are getting kind of geriatric and everything, he can say, F--- you, man! I'm doing what I want to do, I'm following my muse, and he's 100 percent right. I'm in my church praying to my god and he's in his church praying to his. There was a time we were in the same church, and I miss that. I don't want to go to that church. If I was going to that church, I would write novels.

So how do you imagine Quentin Tarantino, boy wonder, at 60?
I won't be making movies, that's for sure. I'll write novels. Novelistic writing is great for someone at that age. But I also want to get some movie theaters. I've got a big film collection and I want to continue building on it. I'm kind of a frustrated theater owner anyway. I want to have a good life and let the filmography stand on its own. I don't want to be some old guy pitching f---ing scripts.

Would you consider producing?
No, I don't like doing that now. Making a movie is hard work, man. If I'm not making my own movie, I don't want to make a movie. I'd rather watch it. I want to have a life and not get all caught up in the business crap.

What do you do when you're not making movies?
What you'd expect -- read, listen to music, hang out with friends, watch my video and DVD collection. Get obsessions about this or that. I'm a film historian so I'm always trying to feed my brain. All of a sudden you watch a movie with Aldo Ray, and then you have go see all of Ray's movies.

What kinds of books do you read?
All kinds of stuff. For a fun read, I'm more attracted to genre-oriented stuff, like crime stories or mysteries. I'm not really into science fiction. Stuff that's a little more story oriented. But if somebody turns me on to a writer that I like, then it's not about story or genre. Then it's just about the writer's point of view. One of my favorite books of all time is Larry McMurtry's ''All My Friends Are Going to Be Strangers.'' It's a very influential book to me. I always use McMurtry as an example of what I'm trying to do in one way or another. I've always like the way he moves characters from book to book. When I sell my movies, I always retain the rights to characters so I can follow them. I can follow Butch or anybody and it's not ''Pulp Fiction II.'' If I want to put Pumpkin and Honey Bunny in a movie, it's like, no worries.

What's next? Will it be the much-discussed ''Inglorious Bastards'' -- what you've described as your ''Dirty Dozen''?
I'm going to take a little break -- not as long as the last time -- but I'll probably do something small, something modest, in between, and then do the war movie. I have to finish that script, but I also have this weird thing of, Do I want to dive in? Do I want to climb Mount Everest again?

Do you ever worry that your moment has passed? As popular as ''Kill Bill'' was, it didn't have nearly the water-cooler buzz of ''Reservoir Dogs'' or ''Pulp Fiction.''
It's not really anything I think about. Maybe thirty thousand people saw ''Reservoir Dogs'' at the theater, so if they were talking about the movie they were talking about a movie they hadn't seen. ''Pulp Fiction'' was a phenomenon. You can't count on making a phenomenon every time out of the gate or you're going to be one sorry bastard. And when you make a movie as violent as ''Kill Bill,'' you can't be surprised when people don't want to see it. Harvey Weinstein always says, ''We could make 100 million dollars if people weren't DROWNING IN BLOOD!'' [Laughs] But considering the gore, he's thrilled with the business we did. I didn't realize you had to grade on a curve with violence.

It's been reported that you might work with your friend Robert Rodriguez on his next film, ''Sin City.''
It could very well happen sometime this summer. It's based on one of Frank Miller's graphic novels, and I totally want to do it. I'd be a special guest director. [Rodriguez] wrote the score for ''Kill Bill -- Vol. 2'' and he charged me a dollar to do it, so I'll charge him one dollar for directing.

And can we can expect to see ''Kill Bill -- Vol. 3'' in about 15 years?
I don't know if I'll call it ''Vol. 3.'' And Uma won't be the star of it, though she'll be in it. The star will be Vernita Green's [Vivica A. Fox's] daughter, Nikki [Ambrosia Kelley]. And I know everything that will take her up to this time. Sofie Fatale [Julie Dreyfus] will get all of Bill's money, and she will raise Nikki, and she will go to take on the Bride. Nikki deserves her revenge every bit as much as the Bride deserved hers. I might even, a year from now, shoot a couple of scenes for it and put it in the vault for 15 years from now so I can get the actresses while they're this age. It's really exciting to know that somewhere out there is a little girl who's going to grow up to be my leading lady.

One critic suggested that a person with children could never have written the scene where the Bride kills Vernita in front of her child in ''Kill Bill -- Vol. 1.''
I completely and utterly disagree. When you're dealing in the genres of Hong Kong kung fu films and spaghetti Westerns, or even American Westerns, that is an absolute staple of those movies--the 4-year-old child is on the prairie and they've seen their parents slaughtered and they spend the rest of their lives avenging the deaths. At that moment the child is dead and the warrior is born -- that's the symbolism.

Seems like there's also the possibility for back stories, too -- like the evolution of Bill.
I might do that as an animated movie -- more about his origins and Bill's three godfathers -- Esteban, Hatori Hanzo, and Pei Mei. This little journey that starts when he's 12. I've already got a deal with Miramax, I can do this anytime. I spent so much time writing the script, that I know all the mythology of it. I even like the idea of writing a Frank Miller-style graphic novel.

In the meantime, you're on the jury at Cannes in May. Was that a fantasy of yours?
It completely and utterly is. Forget about being the president of the jury -- it's also this kind of symmetry: Ten years ago I won the Palme d'Or, and now coming back as the president -- one of the youngest presidents if not the youngest -- it's a total fantasy. When it comes to recognition in filmmaking, for true cinema, I put Cannes above everything else. When I die it can say ''Palme d'Or winner Quentin Tarantino.''
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Sal on April 09, 2004, 05:15:36 PM
hehe, great interview.  I don't know how i feel about him doing kill bill 3 though.  I appreciate the thought of him getting the story of the daughter that avenges her mother's death, but it seems the implication is a lot more meaningful than seeing its execution..
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 09, 2004, 09:29:33 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Was turning 40 hard for you?
No, it wasn't hard. I couldn't be doing better than I'm doing. I could not be doing more than I want to do. The privileges I have are vast. I've got all the money I could ever need. I mean, I'm not talking grandiose, but just to live like Elvis Presley on crack, all right? Also, I hate working, so I'll never have to work for a living again.
would write novels.

So how do you imagine Quentin Tarantino, boy wonder, at 60?
I won't be making movies, that's for sure. I'll write novels. Novelistic writing is great for someone at that age. But I also want to get some movie theaters. I've got a big film collection and I want to continue building on it. I'm kind of a frustrated theater owner anyway. I want to have a good life and let the filmography stand on its own. I don't want to be some old guy pitching f---ing scripts.

so, he's in his 40's now?  and hes definitely NOT going to be making movies when he's 60?  so that leaves less than 20 years of movies.  he's had 4 (5) movies in the past 15 years, so at this rate we might get 5 or 6 more EVER?  uh oh, looks like we've got another kubrick on our hands.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ghostboy on April 09, 2004, 09:57:32 PM
Quote from: Fernando
GB, when are you seeing this one? Make sure to post your thoughts spoiler free.


I'm very upset -- the first press screening in my neck of the woods was last Wednesday and the second is on this coming Tuesday, but I've had video shoots scheduled both of those days that I couldn't rearrange. But  it'll be fun to experience it on opening night with a (hopefully respectful) crowd.

One more week...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: nix on April 10, 2004, 12:28:20 AM
I got passes for tuesday. I'm so fucking stoked.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on April 10, 2004, 04:42:24 AM
a couple of new trailers and a tv spot over at killbill.jp (http://www.killbill.jp). contain new footage.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 10, 2004, 04:35:14 PM
i have tickets for a screening on tuesday too.......i cant fucking wait.

Tuesday's Agenda
After School: Buy Kill Bill volume 1
4-6: watch Kill Bill Volume 1
7: Kill Bill Volume 2
10: Come home and masturbate
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cron on April 10, 2004, 05:08:37 PM
Quote from: El Duderino
i have tickets for a screening on tuesday too.......i cant fucking wait.

Tuesday's Agenda
After School: Buy Kill Bill volume 1
4-6: watch Kill Bill Volume 1
7: Kill Bill Volume 2
10: Come home and masturbate


imagine finding 100 bucks on your way to the store.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on April 11, 2004, 11:57:07 AM
More heart than blood
Assassins aside, "Kill Bill's" second act is a love story, its creator insists. And in Quentin Tarantino's world, love is a beating thing. Source: Los Angeles Times

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"Killing can work as a metaphor for human relationships, if that makes any sense." — Quentin Tarantino

*READ AT OWN RISK*

Filmmaker Quentin Tarantino, the 41-year old maestro of "Reservoir Dogs," "Pulp Fiction" and the coming "Kill Bill: Vol. 2," is perched in the family room of his Mulholland mansion, popping strange Japanese cheese munchies in his mouth and trying to explain that "Kill Bill," which seemed like a chick revenge movie in "Vol. 1," actually turns out to be a love story in "Vol. 2." A twisted, cracked love story, to be sure, but "a legitimate love story, all right," Tarantino says.

"You're dealing with men and women and relationships in this weird alternate universe."

Indeed, the Bride and Bill, played by Uma Thurman and David Carradine, are the very embodiment of the adage "Can't live with 'em; can't live without 'em," and the stakes are high because both parties are trained killers.

Tarantino thinks that this is part of the film — as opposed to the fleets of ninja killers, the teenage girl psychopath and redneck assassins — that the audience will actually identify with. He himself got choked up while shooting the last gasping moments of the finale — paradoxically, for a self-conscious action film, a 40-minute talk scene — where Bill, as the title demands, gets his just desserts. "I think it's sad because these two kinda belong together. And because of this and that and the other, they're not. It's not too different from 'Othello,' if you think of it that way." Many people might miss this allusion, but they're not Tarantino.

Being with Tarantino is like entering a one-man hothouse of movies and memories of movies, of imaginary characters who are more real and vivid than living ones. It's twilight in his castle-like dwelling, with its cavernous ceilings and brightly colored Italian and French movie posters plastered to the walls. The director appears to be wearing a "Simpsons" T-shirt bearing his own likeness spouting off about violence. His jeans are falling off his bear-sized figure, and over the whole ensemble is a striped button-down shirt. He has one of the most memorable mugs in all of director-dom; it's an amalgam of anima and animus, with a wide forehead, almond-shaped eyes, hair that seems to perpetually want to grow into a monk's bowl, a ruddy complexion that makes him look 10 years younger, an aquiline nose and curiously feminine lips.

His demeanor is sweet and weirdly indefatigable as he nears the end of his 11-year saga with the Bride and Bill, the central characters driving the narrative in both volumes of "Kill Bill." They were first hatched on the set of 1994's "Pulp Fiction" with Thurman, sent into cold storage until he ran into the actress at a Miramax Oscar party in 2000. Thurman asked whatever happened to their creation. He went home that night, dug out the 30 pages he'd written, and worked on it for the next four years, writing a 222-page script — divided up and titled in 10 chapters like a novel; shooting for a marathon 155 days across Japan, China, Mexico and L.A.; editing one film; selling it across the globe; and then, like a page from "Groundhog Day," editing a whole separate film, which debuts Friday.

The sum of that effort — all million or so feet of film — now stands like his own private army in the family room.

For a man perpetually dubbed as ironic, Tarantino loves his characters with unreserved passion. Not only has he dreamed up elaborate personal histories and the complete etiology and warrior code of the "Kill Bill" universe, but they inhabit the house he lives in, from the full-size replica of Gogo — the teenage girl killer from "Kill Bill: Vol. 1," who greets visitors in the foyer, to the skads of action figures, in boxes and out, from "Reservoir Dogs" and other Tarantino films. One gigantic floor-to-ceiling bookshelf dominates his living room, and it's crammed with movie artifacts — DVDs of his films, copies of his scripts for "Pulp Fiction" and "Jackie Brown" in different languages. For his recent birthday, friends even installed the pink-and-white chrome bar from "Kill Bill: Vol. 1" in his basement, complete with operating photo booth and giant bowls of Bazooka bubble gum. The Bride's banana yellow pickup truck sits in the driveway.

Despite the overflow of Quentin-abilia, it comes off as less of a shrine and more the abundance of a mad collector, who happens to specialize in artifacts from his own life. Nothing seems precious; everything seems accessible, including an original script, sprawled in piles across the living room — all written in his distinctive blocky handwriting (a la fourth grade) across lined paper in different-colored ink.

The division of "Kill Bill" into two films was officially suggested by Miramax head Harvey Weinstein, and as a business decision looks provident -- the shooting cost $55 million, and the first installment alone has earned $170 million at the box office.

As an artist, Tarantino seems reconciled. "Vol. 1" after all offered up a heady dose of violence, so much mayhem in fact that there was an outcry.

"I think, actually, most people who see 'Vol. 1,' they don't want 90 minutes more of movie…. Forget two hours more of movie after that. They're tired," Tarantino says.

Just to be sure, he tested his theory, asking people if they wanted to see the whole film in one sitting or two. "And every time they'd say, 'I'd probably go with tomorrow,' " the director says. "And that gave me validation — for the average moviegoer."

Fans are a big part of the Tarantino gestalt. He refers to them frequently, like friends whose concerns he watches out for. For him, a film is not finished until the audience sees it, not just a recruited audience, but "a bunch of people that can do anything in the world they want to do that night and what they'd decided to do with their night is go see your movie," says Tarantino, who feeds off their energy. "It's all going in the right direction towards the screen, and it's just incomparable. Until I get that — I'm not done."

At its heart, "Kill Bill" is a distillation of his own fandom — a homage to the martial arts flicks and westerns that he watched as a kid in the grind houses, the rundown movie palaces of Southern California. As Tarantino explains, "Vol. 1" was an ode to the traditions of Japan, with a dash of Shaw Brothers Hong Kong flavor. With gobs of gore, it told the tale of how the Bride wreaked revenge on her former colleagues, the dastardly members of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad who mowed her down, on her wedding day, while she was pregnant no less, and left her in a coma.

"Vol. 2" is "a spaghetti western major with an Eastern minor," he says. The body count goes down to 13, and there are no more geysers of spurting blood. The challenges — such as getting buried alive — require more ingenuity from the Bride than slicing bravado.

No favorites among his scenes

The plan for the evening is for Tarantino to discuss several scenes from the film — a live one-time DVD narrative if you will — but as perhaps is Tarantino's way, he doesn't get far. He doesn't have favorite scenes. That's like choosing among his children, although he cops to looking forward, even anticipating certain moments.

One is the final mano a mano in a dilapidated trailer between Thurman and her archnemesis and doppelganger, the one-eyed Elle Driver, played with demented fervor by Daryl Hannah, plucked out of career obscurity by Tarantino, who wrote the part for her after catching her one night in a cable flick. Another is this, a sequence titled "The Cruel Tutelage of Pai Mei," the kind of illumination of character, a plot digression, which surely would have been dramatically shortened if "Kill Bill" had been left as one movie.

"This is one of my favorite shots in the whole movie. This shot of him walking forward," the director says. Tarantino's now lying back on his couch, feet slung on the table, watching one of the simplest of sequences in the film. Gordon Liu simply glides purposefully toward the camera. As Pai Mei, he's garbed in a white martial-arts tunic with a long white Fu Manchu beard.

At this moment, Tarantino seems more the ardent fan than the director, thrilled to have landed a childhood hero, a star of such seminal Hong Kong flicks as "36th Chamber of Shaolin" and "The Eight Diagram Pole Fighter."

This is a classic moment from kung fu lore, where the hero learns how to be a warrior under the vicious instruction of a venerable and very old killer, Pai Mei. For Westerners, it's reminiscent of the Yoda scenes from "The Empire Strikes Back," although Tarantino says, when he saw that film as a kid, "I thought, 'Oh! This is like the Brian Keith sequences in 'Nevada Smith,' the Steve McQueen revenge Western.' The kid's parents are killed, and four people did it, and he tracks 'em down, and Brian Keith is like the cool gunfighter that he meets along the way and teaches him."

It's easy to get sidetracked talking to Tarantino. His brain is like a car full of circus clowns, where the clowns keep coming and coming. Given that there were three full-length biographies written about him before his 33rd birthday, most of his fans know he dropped out of school in ninth grade and worked as an usher in the Pussycat porno theater before logging the seminal five years as a clerk in Video Archives, the Manhattan Beach video shop, inhaling what few films might have previously escaped his omnivorous hunger.

The Pai Mei sequence is not just an ode to one of his favorite genres but to memory. For this chapter, the film stock has been purposely degraded to look grainy and bedraggled, exactly how those martial arts films really looked in the ghetto theaters where Tarantino saw them.

"I was watching dupes!" he recalls with glee before giving a mini-lecture on how the Shaw brothers, the venerable Chinese producers, released their films in the United States. "So I said, 'Well, that's what we gotta do.' The idea was to never go to negative. We strike a print and then we dupe it and keep duping it."

Then he turns to the music, '70s soul, blaxploitation music, a piece from Isaac Hayes that originally scored a film called "Three Tough Guys."

"This rip has fit into a couple of different kung fu movies," Tarantino says. In those days, film scores were often just stolen. "I paid for it," he says. He points out "the cool zooms we did." Every time Thurman's ponytail swings, it's accompanied by the sound of slicing; Pai Mei constantly throws his long beard over his shoulder with a defiant harrumph.

Tarantino gets so jazzed, he runs to get a copy of the gargantuan script and does a reading of a passage that was cut out — in which Thurman fails to catch a rat in a pit but eats the heart to please her master.

"How does victory taste?" Tarantino asks as Pai Mei.

Screwing up his face, he replies as the Bride: "Bitter." It's hammy, but it's easy to see how Tarantino could amuse himself for months writing this stuff.

On screen, Thurman practices and practices trying to shove her hand through a thick piece of wood. At one point, there's a shot of her hand, all pulsing, ripped muscle, the hand equivalent of Munch's "The Scream."

"I love this shot of Uma's hand doing that," Tarantino sighs. "There are not many woman who have a big hand like that and can pull that off. Part of the cool thing in writing for Uma is you can write exactly to her physicality." And Tarantino has. The film thoroughly makes use of Thurman's lanky, girlish whipsaw figure, as she wields swords, twirls, kicks, pummels, jabs, gouges and thrashes. It's hard to think of another actress in all of cinema who flings her body in as many ways as Thurman.

Tarantino wrote many of the characters specifically for the actors who eventually played them, for Hannah, and Lucy Liu, who played Yakuza Queen O-Ren Ishii in "Vol. 1," and most particularly for Thurman, whose wry, sweet cadences he stole for the Bride so the role would fit her like a glove. "I wrote it, but I read her everything I wrote, every scene, every rewrite, every fourth rewrite."

"We were truly partners on this," says Tarantino, although to be truthful, the person who really played the Bride, particularly during the writing of "Kill Bill," was Tarantino.

"I'm a method writer," he explains, noting that in previous efforts, such as "Pulp Fiction" and "Jackie Brown," he was whatever character Samuel L. Jackson ended up playing. "And that's what you do. You become the people and they become you. It's an equal trade. It can all relate to my life, or none of it has to relate to my life." For someone who can talk a lot, Tarantino doesn't elaborate, but maybe given the kind of totally synthetic movie creation "Kill Bill" is, it's besides the point to lay its creator on the couch.

Someone's going to pay

Tarantino set out to make a movie-movie, and that's what he relates to. He likes the black and white justice of the cinema universe. The perpetual entertainer, he begins to do a rant from inside the Bride's head, about all the assassins who tried to take her down.

"Bud has fallen on hard times…. Doesn't matter. He's gonna pay," he says, his voice breathy but determined. "Oh, Vernita's changed her life around. Too bad. She's gonna pay." He sneers.

"This samurai-samurai stuff, I take seriously," he says, reverting to his director self. "I like it so much that I did a movie about it. There's some things a man'll do, some things a man won't do. Your honor, your word, all that is very valuable."

This said, as an artist, he's also a thief. A little while later, he's watching another one of his favorite scenes, in which Thurman seeks out a former mentor of Bill's, the pimp Estaban Vihaio, played by one of his favorite actors, Michael Parks.

They shot in a real Mexican brothel, a tattered shack with makeshift tables, and real whores lying in hammocks.

Tarantino loves to have a set that's fully designed — in this instance by Yohei Taneda and David Wasco. "You shouldn't even see half the stuff there until you start breaking it down into smaller shots," the director says, pointing to the jukebox, which as the camera pulls into Parks' face, becomes simply twinkling carnival-like lights. "Always something to keep the eye stimulated."

Estaban smokes a cigarette and reeks of oil-slicked courtliness. He welcomes the Bride, now dressed in black. They flirt. "I'm susceptible to female flattery," he tells her.

It brings a big chuckle from Tarantino. "I started saying that in real life. If a pretty woman flatters me now, it just trips off the tongue." Estaban then tells the Bride a story of taking Bill, then a child, to see a Lana Turner film and watching the prepubescent killer suck his thumb "an obscene amount," entranced by her feminine power.

"Let me tell you something about my writing style," Tarantino says. "Sixty-five percent of being a good writer, especially if you're dealing with dialogue, is having a good memory. Because you're basically thinking about writing all the time.

"I was told that story by an actor who I admired for a long, long time. Never met him. I was at a dinner party. He was there. It was Kurt Russell. We hit it off and I told him how Goldie Hawn was one of the first crushes I ever had. I went and saw 'Cactus Flower' and when I went home, I was in love. He goes 'Yeah' and then he told me his story of seeing Marilyn Monroe in this movie. His dad told him he began sucking his thumb when Marilyn Monroe came on screen. OK, I know what he's all about. I've never seen Kurt Russell since. It was a charming story. I put it away. Three years later, I'm writing the Estaban Vihaio scene. That story rises to the top."

The pearls of other people's lives all stay in the vault, untouched and pristine, unless he's writing. "My characters have access almost more to it than I do," he says with a sigh. "I wish I could talk like my characters in real life. But in real life I am stuck with the same vocabulary that we all have."

And it's not just dialogue stored there, but images and thousands upon thousands of movies.

"I've always known much more than anybody," he says, then stops, suddenly aware how this might sound. "Not anybody. I've always been way beyond my years in my knowledge of culture."

He begins to digress into a story about the Three Stooges and the origins of the phrase "trip the light fantastic." His irrepressibility quickly returns. Indeed, it can't be stopped.

"I had a sense of the '30s and who was big in the '30s even when I was a little kid," he says. "I was a man for all time … if it was 20th century stuff. I was always proud of that."
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Tarantino speaks

'Kill Bill: Prequel'?

Of Michael Parks, who plays a pimp named Estaban Vihaio (and Sheriff Earl McGraw), Tarantino says: "I know the origin of all these characters. I fully plan to do it — a Japanese anime movie about the origins of Bill. It would start when Bill is 12 and deal with his three father figures: Estaban Vihaio, Hattori Hanzo and Pai Mei. How Bill became Bill."

That shaman feeling

Of creating the scenes between Uma Thurman and Gordon Liu as Pai Mei: Tarantino stores overheard bits of dialogue and images in his brain. "I don't have 24/7 access to it. Only when there's a pen and paper in my hand and I'm trying to create a shamanistic experience with the characters."

Bits of him in Bill

Of David Carradine's portrayal of the title character, Tarantino says: "A lot of people who know me — they saw me in the Bill character, especially in script form. Personality traits. You have to ask them. I'm not going to completely reveal all my secrets. But you might notice my cadence here or there."
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 11, 2004, 11:28:22 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
From the current Entertainment Weekly:
(http://i.timeinc.net/ew/covergallery/img/2004/apr162004_760_lg.jpg)

also in that issue...

QT's DREAM TEAM
A look at the directors all-time would-be favorite actress to work with, monster to center a movie around, director to promote, and imported cut of meat to savor on his day of execution.

ACTRESS: "As much as I want to live a long time-like, I want to live to 100- I would give up five years of my life to work with Tura Satana [circa her starring role in 1965's Faster Pussycat Kill Kill!].  She is Japanese, Cheyenne, and something else- awesome.

OBSCURE DIRECTOR: "I'm a big fan of Brian Trenchard-Smith.  He did a Vietnam movie called The Siege of Firebase Gloria (1989), starring Wings Hauser.  He also did a really terrific movie, Dead End Drive-In (1986), based on a Peter Carey short story."

DESERT ISLAND DATE: "Pauline Kael [the late New Yorker film critic]- if we'd have enough movies to watch and talk about."

LAST SUPPER GUESTS: "Of creative people I know who like me and get me: Paul Thomas Anderson, Robert Rodriguez, Sofia Coppola, [producer] Stacey Sher- those in particular."

LAST SUPPER FOOD: "Kobe beef."

MONSTER: "I have an idea for a Godzilla movie that I've always wanted to do.  The whole idea of Godzilla's role in Tokyo, where he's always battling these other monsters, saving humanity time and again- wouldn't Godzilla become God? It would be called Living Under the Rule of Godzilla.  This is what society is like when a big fucking green lizard rules your world."


TARANTINO TESTING HIS TASTES
On the Pulp Fiction DVD , one of the special features is a deleted scene in which Mia conducts a Barbara Walters style interview of Vincent before their date.  The line of questioning centers on his preference for certain pop culture staples: The Partridge Family or the Brady Bunch?  Betty or Veronica?

Star Trek or Star Wars?
Strip Club or Massage Parlor?
Gun or Sword?
Larry David or Jerry Seinfeld?
Bugs or Daffy?
The Great Escape or The Getaway?
Pizza or Doughnuts?
Suspicion or Notorious?
Electric Chair or Hanging?


5.5 KILLER MOVIE MOMENTS
Tarantino's off the top of his head  best of list: bullets, baseball bats, a bitchin score and the bodaciously batty.

1. The last shot of Michael Cimino's Year of the Dragon. "You'll forget to breathe during it!"
2. Joe Don Baker in the bar with the baseball bat in the original Walking Tall.
3. "All the early stuff by William Witney [On the Old Spanish Trail; Adventures of Red Ryder], who for all intents and purposes, created the modernized choreographed Western fight scene we see today.  He came up with the cinematic language by watching Busby Berkeley musicals."
4. Sonny Corleone getting it in The Godfather.
5. Dean Stockwell and Dennis Hopper singing "In Dreams" in David Lynch's Blue Velvet.  "You're like, is this even happening?  Am I watching this?"
5.5 "There's a Japanese movie, All About Lily Chou-Chou, by a really terrific director, Shunji Iwai.  He has my career in Japan- he did a mvoie called Swallowtail Butterfly that was to Japan what Pulp Fiction was to America.  The Lily Chou-Chou soundtrack is really cool to make out to."
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 12, 2004, 11:02:51 AM
Filmmaker Quentin Tarantino has some major plans for his latest opus, Kill Bill. While promoting the second volume of the series, opening theatrically on April 16th, Tarantino revealed that he plans to recut both films together for a special theatrical release later in the year. "We did a special version [of Volume 1] for Japan that's only been shown in Japan and Hong Kong, and I kept the rights to that," Tarantino said. "I'll put the Japanese version together [with Volume 2] like I would if it was one complete movie, and then I'll release that throughout America and Europe in arthouse engagements."

Tarantino also promises more extensive DVD plans for the revenge films. "I'm going to do a special collector's edition of both of them once I'm finished with both of them," he said. Also in the talking phase, Tarantino is considering the possibility of releasing stand-alone supplemental discs. "One of the things that I saw that I liked... was what the American Pie guys did with their 'Beneath the Crust' documentaries. I want to do the same thing [for Kill Bill]."
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ah, a stand alone extras disc.  perhaps the WORST idea i've heard yet!   i really dont like what the american pie guys did by milking the public by releasing like 9 different versions of the film.  quentin, dont screw us over.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on April 12, 2004, 11:10:55 AM
Ah, he's laughing his way to the bank.  I won't be buying ANY of these until the hype of Kill Bill is LONG over.  Of course, it took five years for Jackie Brown to even SEE a DVD release, so who knows how long it'll be before the Kill Bill options are final.  He's really alienating the geekdom here, so to speak.  He'd be much more successful and respectful if he put out a barebones Vol. 1, barebones Vol. 2, and then a super-duper collectors edition with all the extras anyone could dream of.  In a way, that may be what he's doing, but he sure is milking it for all it's worth, and the documentaries aren't that great an idea, IMO.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 12, 2004, 11:33:48 AM
Quote from: themodernage02
Filmmaker Quentin Tarantino has some major plans for his latest opus, Kill Bill. While promoting the second volume of the series, opening theatrically on April 16th, Tarantino revealed that he plans to recut both films together for a special theatrical release later in the year. "We did a special version [of Volume 1] for Japan that's only been shown in Japan and Hong Kong, and I kept the rights to that," Tarantino said. "I'll put the Japanese version together [with Volume 2] like I would if it was one complete movie, and then I'll release that throughout America and Europe in arthouse engagements."


Two thoughts.....

Tarantino owns the rights to this special edition? Someone jump on his ass to send it to Criterion!

Second, now I'll fully agree with JB that Kill Bill can be one film with this cut. As it stands now, I still see two films.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ©brad on April 12, 2004, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: in the interview quentin
It's always fun to be in love with someone else's movie; I'd rather talk about other people's movies than mine.


okay this one i don't buy, but good interview nonetheless.

okay, anyone who is in the athens/atlanta area, i'm throwing a kill bill party- keg, hot sorority girls cooking steaks, a big big big screen w/ super duper surround sound. should be dope. stop by if u want.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on April 12, 2004, 06:06:05 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet


Tarantino owns the rights to this special edition? Someone jump on his ass to send it to Criterion!



not good for us "region2" folks.

I'm sure this has been discussed before but why the hell doesn't criterion make region2 or region free dvds?!

cbrad: I'll imagine you as Sean Bateman for the rest of my life.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 12, 2004, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: rustinglass
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet


Tarantino owns the rights to this special edition? Someone jump on his ass to send it to Criterion!



not good for us "region2" folks.

I'm sure this has been discussed before but why the hell doesn't criterion make region2 or region free dvds?!


many Criterion's are actually region 0 and since Criterion is getting more popular, it is more frequent that new releases are in fact region 0. Just don't quote me as saying they all are.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Kal on April 12, 2004, 07:33:47 PM
Quote from: rustinglass


cbrad: I'll imagine you as Sean Bateman for the rest of my life.


I actually imagine him as Dawson Leery  :roll:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: tpfkabi on April 12, 2004, 10:57:21 PM
uma and qt are on the cover of rolling stone.
i didn't read too much for fear of ruining the movie Friday.
it seemed like they were trying to play some kind of u/qt romance thing up in the article from some of the bolded quotes, but i just scanned it so i shall revisited it next week.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 12, 2004, 11:12:03 PM
Quote from: El Duderino on April 8th
(http://content.rollingstone.com/content/71878/Images/00343665.jpg)

Rolling Stone Article (http://rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=2894)

i think they'd make such a badass couple
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Sleuth on April 12, 2004, 11:57:52 PM
in regards to the last full paragraph in that article...what was Kubrick meeting with Uma for?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on April 13, 2004, 05:36:47 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet


many Criterion's are actually region 0 and since Criterion is getting more popular, it is more frequent that new releases are in fact region 0. Just don't quote me as saying they all are.


I did not know that... thanks.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ©brad on April 13, 2004, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: the great andyk
Quote from: rustinglass


cbrad: I'll imagine you as Sean Bateman for the rest of my life.


I actually imagine him as Dawson Leery  :roll:


sadly, i'm actually more like dawson.  :?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: nix on April 13, 2004, 04:32:03 PM
In three hours...

I will watch Uma Thurman...

KILL BILL
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on April 13, 2004, 04:47:27 PM
Oh, rub it in a little more, will ya?

Oh, and goodbye to this thread for a little while I will only visit this side of the ship again when i've seen the film in a few weeks.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Just Withnail on April 13, 2004, 05:13:38 PM
Did she get him?

Edit: Woops. My Pc clock is another timezone.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 13, 2004, 05:28:44 PM
I love Quentin Tarantino

I love Uma Thurman (more, I think)

I am amazingly pumped for this movie, and I haven't been very excited for a movie in a while.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 13, 2004, 06:57:52 PM
Quote from: Slomb
in regards to the last full paragraph in that article...what was Kubrick meeting with Uma for?


Kubrick was in early stages of casting for Eyes Wide Shut then and so that could have been it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on April 13, 2004, 07:05:23 PM
That's what I'd say.  When you think about it, that's really the only option considering the time period, and how long it took for the film to get made.  He considered Harvey Keitel and Woody Allen, so Uma Thurman isn't that far off, and actually, she may have been a good Alice, IMO.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on April 13, 2004, 09:35:33 PM
Quote from: Onomatopaella
and actually, she may have been a good Alice, IMO.

she would hav been mandy.. or domino.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 13, 2004, 10:14:34 PM
Or Ms. Nathanson...

Anyhow, saw KB2. I thought it was pretty boring. Some amusing bits. But over all, it was uninspired.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 13, 2004, 10:17:02 PM
Quote from: mutinyco
Or Ms. Nathanson...

Anyhow, saw KB2. I thought it was pretty boring. Some amusing bits. But over all, it was uninspired.


Shut up, you bitch hog!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 13, 2004, 10:48:11 PM
Touche'...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on April 13, 2004, 11:39:11 PM
Uma is on Conan starting now (4/13 - 4/14).

Also, Tarantino will be on Conan tomorrow (Wednesday, 4/14).
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 14, 2004, 02:46:14 PM
did anyone else read the entire rolling stone article?  its really weird and sort of pointless.  besides having nothing to do with the film, it tries to pry into their personal lives and get some sort of juicy gossip out of them, and evolves into the writer just being obsessed with uma himself.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 14, 2004, 06:01:30 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
did anyone else read the entire rolling stone article?  its really weird and sort of pointless.  besides having nothing to do with the film, it tries to pry into their personal lives and get some sort of juicy gossip out of them, and evolves into the writer just being obsessed with uma himself.


yeah, i finally got my rolling stone today in the mail and i was really disapointed by the interview. but i dont care, it's Q and U.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 14, 2004, 06:09:55 PM
Quote from: El Duderino
Quote from: themodernage02
did anyone else read the entire rolling stone article?  its really weird and sort of pointless.  besides having nothing to do with the film, it tries to pry into their personal lives and get some sort of juicy gossip out of them, and evolves into the writer just being obsessed with uma himself.


yeah, i finally got my rolling stone today in the mail and i was really disapointed by the interview. but i dont care, it's Q and U.


That would suck if for some reason they ended up hating eachother, and then rolling stone would have a piece called "Q and not U," and q and not u would never be able to make good music again.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 14, 2004, 06:40:42 PM
This was pretty accurate: http://www.thehotbutton.com/today/hot.button/2004_thb/040414.html
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pastor Parsley on April 15, 2004, 03:35:01 PM
Quote from: mutinyco
Or Ms. Nathanson...

Anyhow, saw KB2. I thought it was pretty boring. Some amusing bits. But over all, it was uninspired.


I agree.  I was just going to wait until it came out on video and not waste the money.  A friend gave me a free ticket so I went.  I thought it was slightly better than KB1, but both films I barely made it through.  QT is just so predictable, there's no suspense.  You always know exactly what's going to happen 15 minutes before it does.

I really admire Quentin for coming up with such an ingenious scam:  rip-off lesser known films and then market to audiences who have never seen them.  I'll have to remember that one when I get really desperate.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 15, 2004, 06:44:29 PM
8 Film Clips (http://www.cinemovies.fr/fiche_extrait.php?IDfilm=2423)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on April 16, 2004, 04:11:24 AM
(http://images.laweekly.com/ink/04/21/21cover.jpg)

Kill Bill... Or Else!
Quentin Tarantino on opening night fever, postpartum depression and the descent from Mt. Everest Source: LA Weekly
 
Ten years ago, I was scheduled to interview Quentin Tarantino in Cannes, a couple of days before the premiere of Pulp Fiction. I arrived at his hotel at noon and called him, only to be greeted with a bleary hello. He invited me to his room, which was a shambles. He’d clearly had a wild night. An hour later, he was ready to talk — and he couldn’t have been friendlier or more garrulous. As we walked through the city, we would be stopped every few yards by beautiful young French women who would almost elbow me aside to get to Tarantino, asking for his autograph with a coquettery that suggested the possibility of a quid pro quo. He smiled and signed his name, innocently unaware that, just one week later, his film would win the festival and he would leave France vastly more famous than he already was at that moment.

Cut to April 13, 2004. Tarantino’s scheduled to call me at 8 a.m. 8:15. 8:30. 8:45. Shortly after 9, I get a call from his publicist, who’s driven over to his house to wake him. “I’m giving him coffee. He’ll call in five minutes.” At 9:30 he calls and apologizes profusely, saying that the night before he’d been at a party for the Kill Bill: Vol. 1 DVD at the Playboy Mansion. We start to talk and — plus ça change — he couldn’t be friendlier or more garrulous as we ponder the master plan behind Kill Bill, the mysteries of Mel Gibson and, of course, the pleasure of moviegoing.

L.A. WEEKLY: If somebody else had made Kill Bill: Vol. 2, where and when would you want to see it?

QUENTIN TARANTINO: One, I would be seeing it on opening day, right? It just so happens that it’s going to be showing at the Dome, and any movie showing at the Dome — that’s where I’d be to see it. I’ve loved the Dome since I was a little kid. It was funny, we had the premiere there, and the editor, Sally Menke, she comes up to me and says, “There’s a problem, the curved screen. The light’s going to be wrong on the two sides.” And I just said, “That’s the Dome.” I love that curved screen.

You’re really lucky when there’s something you’re excited to see. That’s why you’ve got see it on the first day. Back when people stood in line, I used to stand in line. If it was, like, a [Brian] De Palma movie I would see the first show the first day and the midnight show that night. I haven’t seen Vol. 2 that much with an actual audience. I’m looking forward to seeing it with a bunch of people on that Saturday night when they could have gone anywhere but they’re there. I look forward to their reaction to that buried-alive scene.

Is there any movie around you wish you’d made?

If I had done the opening 10 minutes and opening credits of the Dawn of the Dead remake, I’d be very proud. And believe me, I was against remaking George Romero — that was sacrilege. I don’t think I would have the mania to make The Passion of the Christ, but I’d be proud of the results. Those are the only things playing around right now that are terrific.

So you saw The Passion of the Christ?

I loved it. I’ll tell you why. I think it actually is one of the most brilliant visual storytelling movies I’ve seen since the talkies — as far as telling a story via pictures. So much so that when I was watching this movie, I turned to a friend and said, “This is such a Herculean leap of Mel Gibson’s talent. I think divine intervention might be part of it.” I cannot believe that Mel Gibson directed it. Not personally Mel Gibson — I mean, Braveheart was great. I mean, I can’t believe any actor made that movie. This is like the most visual movie by an actor since Charles Laughton made The Night of the Hunter. No, this is 15 times more visual than that. It has the power of a silent movie. And I was amazed by the fact that it was able to mix all these different tones. At first, this is going to be the most realistic version of the Jesus story — you have to decipher the Latin and Aramaic. Then it throws that away at a certain point and gives you this grandiose religious image. Goddamn, that’s good direction! It is pretty violent, I must say. At a certain point, it was like a Takashi Miike film. It got so fucked up it was funny. At one point, my friend and I, we just started laughing. I was into the seriousness of the story, of course, but in the crucifixion scene, when they turned the cross over, you had to laugh.

Speaking of visual storytelling, in your early movies your directing was classical. In Kill Bill, there’s a lot more flash.

There definitely was a gigantic kicking up of my cinematic style. There was an aspect of Kill Bill where I thought, “I want to see how good I really am. I think I’m good. But let’s see.” And I wasn’t throwing my hat in the ring just to be okay — I don’t want to be mediocre. I wanted to be as good as the people I loved. And I wanted to know if I could be.

Some people said they weren’t into this story as much as the earlier movies. They said, “I liked him when he twisted B movies for his own design,” not when he’s doing this exploitation movie. But there’s method to the madness of Vol. 1. I’m delivering the movie in an action-movie way. I’m giving you a revenge movie, no apologies. This is a revenge movie. It’s an action movie. Then the second movie becomes more thoughtful. People keep saying there’s “heart” in Vol. 2. But to me, the heart is in Vol. 1 already.

The thing about exploitation directors is that they work fast — they don’t take years in between things. Are you actually going to do your World War II movie next?

Yeah, but I also have a couple of ideas for a quick, small film. I keep saying to myself, “I just climbed Mt. Everest. Do I want to climb Mt. Kilimanjaro next?” That’s part of the attraction of doing a smaller film. You get yourself a five-week shooting schedule and you just do it. With big movies, if you’ve got the money and the time, you do that. With Kill Bill to get the action I was trying to get — that takes time. But at the same time, Reservoir Dogs wouldn’t have been any better if I’d have had five or six more weeks. You just do whatever’s part of the adrenaline of that particular movie.

You directed an episode of ER. What TV show would you like to direct? Would you like an HBO franchise?

I wanted to direct an X-Files — they even wrote an episode for me — but the DGA wouldn’t let me. Now, there’s lots of shows I’d direct. I would direct an Alias, a 24. I’ve actually thought about doing an HBO series. Actually, by the time I finish with this World War II film, it could be a miniseries. [Laughs.] You know why? On Kill Bill, I’m getting these good reviews. And by splitting it in two, I could keep all my grace notes. Normally, you have to cut those things out. You put them in the script but you have to cut them out. But now, I’m getting encouraged for keeping them in. I’m getting validation. All the scenes I would’ve dropped are what people say make it special.

Here’s the story. I will be releasing eventually the Japanese version, which is showing in Japan and Hong Kong. Volumes 1 and 2 together. And when I do that, it will be like a ’60s movie. Four hours. And you know, frankly, I wouldn’t have had the balls, the first time out, to come out with a four-hour movie. So to make it one movie, it would have to be three hours. And I would have had to cut everything that people say they like or that makes it good. Like the scene when Budd [Michael Madsen, his name a nod to director Budd Boetticher] goes to the bar and they tell him to take off his cowboy hat. And Pai Mei [a kung fu flashback set in China] would have been shrunk by two-thirds. It would be a wholly different movie.

Kill Bill: Vol. 2 leaves a lot of loose ends — like what happens to Sofie Fatale?

All the untied loose ends do tie up — I know what happens. In the case of Sofie Fatale, I can imagine audiences expecting that she’ll come back in Vol. 2. But there’s no reason. She was in O-ren’s story, and O-ren’s dead. Time to move down the list. I didn’t shoot any back story. I spent a year and a half writing the script, and I went down many different roads. I’d think, “This would be cool,” but I knew I couldn’t put it in. It was already huge. But I thought it all through. Sofie Fatale has a big deal to do in the whole Kill Bill mythology. Not now, but in 15 years I could follow Vernita’s daughter, Nikki. [Vernita is the assassin played by Vivica Fox in Vol. 1.] She’d be going on 20 and out to find the Bride for killing her mother. And Sofie would be behind it. She’s been left all of Bill’s money. She finds Nikki and raises her and feeds her all this stuff about the Bride. But I wouldn’t do that movie yet. I truly love the Bride and don’t want to come up with a bunch of contrived bullshit for her to do. I like the fact that for the next 15 years she puts her sword on the shelf.

Hearing you talk about all this, I can’t help thinking — and couldn’t help writing — about the way that the closing credits of the movie just keep going and going. Like you don’t want to end this story.

It just seemed to me like I was on this massive trek to get it finished, my own trail of tears to get it done. Now I’ll have my life back. This gigantic movie will be over with. It was just about getting done. Now that it’s done, I’m kind of melancholy. Not sad, but melancholy. It’s what I’ve been doing for the last four years. And now it’s done.

Back in the ’80s, people kept telling Spielberg that he ought to get “serious” — and he did. Do you see that happening to you?

If I could ever do something as cool as Schindler’s List, I’d be very proud. I’ve thought I could do a serious movie about John Brown. But that’s something I’d have to do much later. It’ll be serious but it’ll still be fun — I could make it into a cool Western. In fact, I’m thinking that it’s going to be the last movie I do. And I think I should play John Brown. I look like the guy, and I can get into his way of thinking. But to do it, I’ll have to wait until I’m like 60 – it’ll have to be my Unforgiven. Yeah, I’ve thought about it. I could do John Brown. Hopefully, by the time I get around to doing it, it won’t be an old man’s movie.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 16, 2004, 11:44:37 AM
Another accurate review: http://nydailynews.com/front/story/184126p-159710c.html
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on April 16, 2004, 11:51:04 AM
accurate review?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ProgWRX on April 16, 2004, 12:11:25 PM
accurate , you know, when something subjective agrees with your point of view :)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 16, 2004, 12:19:45 PM
Exactly. Accurate.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on April 16, 2004, 02:27:46 PM
Quote from: mutinyco
Exactly. Accurate.

Well, you know, thanks for the nice links and all but from now on, let's not link to reviews, especially ones that you like because they agree with how you feel too. So in future, folks, just refer to Rottontomatoes.com for ALL the reviews you want on Kill Vill Volume 2. We don't want to turn this into a potential review war.

Oh yeah, if you're looking for positive reviews at rottentomatoes, it's a good place to start since over 90% of the reviews praise the film.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 16, 2004, 04:33:24 PM
Actually, it's at 88%. There's another site you can check out too called metacritic.com. Does the same thing as Rotten Tomatoes, only instead of an up or down, critics offer actual grades. Yeah, a lot of critics I know loved the film. They also loved Pulp Fiction. I only like one of Tarantino's films: Reservoir Dogs.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ghostboy on April 16, 2004, 04:52:52 PM
Well, I loved it.

Big surprise there, right?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 16, 2004, 05:16:38 PM
I fell asleep during it. I thought it was genuinely boring. Poorly plotted with Texas-sized plot holes. The whole thing has no suspense. No sense of momentum. It's just a series of snuffs. And the title already tells you what happens at the end. My biggest gripe is that unlike say Sergio Leone, who was obviously influenced by John Ford and Akira Kurosawa, he made his films his own. Own visuals. Original music my Morricone. But here, Tarantino hasn't made anything his own. He blatantly rips shots from Ford. Blatantly uses Leone's extreme close-ups. Even uses Morricone's music in the background. This was like a hackwork postmodern attempt at Leone. But completely without depth or soul. It's like he's incapable of creating any genuine moments. The climax has to be filtered through Superman. The mother/daughter reunion is filtered through Heckyl & Jeckyl. It makes for a lifeless experience.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Rudie Obias on April 16, 2004, 05:17:03 PM
i loved loved loved volume 2!!!!  qt is a master filmmaker and it really shows in volume 2....
Title: A True Masterpiece
Post by: TENOCH on April 16, 2004, 05:23:48 PM
I feel sorry for people who don't enjoy this film. This is a masterpiece by Tarantino. Enough said.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 16, 2004, 05:34:28 PM
Please, SOMEBODY explain what's so great about it. I thought it was undeniably trivial.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 16, 2004, 06:23:29 PM
Quote from: themodernage02 on July 15th 2003 on the official news that the film had been split in two parts
i think this is a very daring move.  but i am going to be upset if we have to wait more like 6 months instead of 2.  because at that point, isnt it more like a "sequel", and less like the other installment?  (like back to the future 3 and matrix 3?)  they should release them a few weeks apart.  because otherwise, in 6 months, you wont remember where the fuck you were at in the story when you sit down for part two. you will, emotionally be totally out of it.  the only way would be to release them both simultaneously or a few weeks apart so you can see them back to back.  otherwise, this is going to be upsetting.  i hope they will be considering this, although at this point, i'm sure they are more concerned about getting paid for the tickets twice to help recoup the budget and less about what anal fanboys think about it.

okay this is a difficult difficult thing, and i'll try to explain what i thought as best i as i can.  basically, i felt that volume one works as a complete film.  you can watch it on its own and it stands alone as a whole movie.  (which is really weird, because you would THINK the first half of a film wouldnt feel whole and the second half would, but thats not the way it happened here.)  i didnt feel like the second film works as its own film.  even though i saw the first film 3 times in theatres and again a few nights ago and then finally last night, when i walked into the theater this morning, i was not in the right headspace to view the second half of this story.  i tried and tried to imagine i had just been through the house of blue leaves fight and vernitas house, but i just couldnt.  because the tone/style/look/characters are so completely fucking different in part two, it was hard even convincing myself it was part of the same film.  the entire first movie essentially is a giant exciting slope upwards.  the second movie is all winding down.  from the opening scenes and slower pace, character depth etc., the whole thing is winding down towards the end.  but without immediately coming off the adrenaline of part one, part two doesnt feel whole.  

SPOILERS

another thing the movie does is essentially take the speeding ship that is volume one and start to turn it completely around into a u-turn.  the whole first film, you are rooting for the revenge.  you are cheering for the bride as she goes through vernita and o-ren and the crazy 88's. and you cant WAIT for her to kill elle, budd and mostly bill.  so after watching part one, you cant wait to get the second part of your revenge story.  and walking into part two, thats what you expect to get.  but volume two is NOTHING like volume one.  if the bride did just mow her way invincibly through the final 3 characters, it would end up feeling to standard, and ordinary and empty.  so, in a way what he does, is what HAS to happen to make it interesting.  but that doesnt mean its what you as an audience member WANTS to happen at all.  all of the satisfaction reaped out of the kills in volume one is slowly but surely by tarantino pulled out from under you during the 2 hours of volume two.  she doesnt kill budd, she leaves elle alive, and by the time she kills bill, she and the audience doesnt even know if they want to see him dead anymore.  its a tricky tricky move by tarantino, ever so subtley toying with the audiences expectations for more carnage and revenge and turning it around on us showing us the whole story and basically asking us if we still want revenge at all?  i was reminded of two films.  

the first being sullivans travels.  the brilliant thing sullivans travels does, is in making a movie about a director of comedies who sets out to make a serious 'important' picture and starts out a comedy and slowly turns into a serious movie, is completely pull the rug out from under the audience.  the audience doesnt want things to get so grim and serious, they want more laughs, but had it continued with laughs till the end, it would be robbed of the thing that makes it unique.  you dont want it to get serious, but you have to RESPECT it for doing so.

the other film is red river.  the thing that red river does thats also so tricky, is it starts out with john wayne training the young montgomery clift.  eventually clift breaks off on his own and wayne comes after him.  although wayne is absent from much of the middle of the film, you can feel his prescence looming over every scene.  like an evil force who could show up at any minute to kill clift!  and its terrifying!    (just like bill in volume one.)  and by the end of the film they end up finally face to face, and the big fight you want to see between this awful guy (wayne) and your hero (clift), ends up with them talking out their differences and just like that!  this bad awful guy who you were afraid of the whole film, ends up being friends again with the hero.  (the difference in vol. 2 being of course the resolution, but the rug-pulling effect remains the same.)  playing with and subverting the audiences expectations.  this second part gives you what you NEED for it to work, not what you WANT.  and i'm interested to see how this affects others opinions on it (and in the end its box office.)

the whole film is spent humanizing bills character, (and budds to a certain degree).  so when you walked in the theater, you cant wait for him to die, but by the end you arent even so sure.  its a crazy trick, and even with what i read about 'the love story' i still never would've seen it coming.

so, am i disappointed?  yeah, a little.  did i really love volume two anyway?  yeah i did.  i saw this two times today just to really make sure i knew what i had watched and how i felt about it.  but, i am really interested to see how this plays as one film edited together.  i feel like part 1 was an A+ film that knocked my socks off and part 2 was an A- film that had to end a way that i didnt want to see happen.  hopefully put together they will be an A film.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ghostboy on April 16, 2004, 06:30:03 PM
Themodernage, between this and your opinion on Eyes Wide Shut, I think history has been made: we've shared the same opinion twice in one week! Hooray!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 16, 2004, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: Ghostboy
Themodernage, between this and your opinion on Eyes Wide Shut, I think history has been made: we've shared the same opinion twice in one week! Hooray!

great!  (cant believe someone actually read all that!)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Tictacbk on April 16, 2004, 07:11:45 PM
Although I refuse to rate Vol 1 againt Vol 2, seeing as they really are one and the same...this was a complete turn around from volume 1.  I wasn't sure what I was expecting.  I have to agree that altho I wanted to see the bride just rampage through everyone I knew it couldn't happen.  QT took his time with everything in vol. 2 and I loved it.  




Oh yea, and the scene where you first hear Beatrix and it cuts to the classroom?  That was weird.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on April 16, 2004, 07:11:58 PM
spoilers are in dis bitch.....


..my thoughts

-would be much better if the film wasn't cut in half..that was phucking stupid from a film-geek/buff POV...i noticed this when watching the credits and it curtain call w/ all of the characters names at the end that includes people from volume one..its so phucjking stupid......and this will be awesom ewhen the complete cut arrives on dvd...that will be the medium to see this sh*t ....phuck the theatres.....

-if i was going to judge the film on both parts part one is better.....HOUSE OF BLUE LEAVES.....it was the first time quentin seemed beatuful in capturing a scene.....gosh..that was awesome.....volume two had none of that.....

-THIS FILM IS PHUCKING AWESOME........just wanted to make sure thats known so pepple don't think i'm hating......
-the elle driver fight/and "the cruel tuteledge of ?(whatever)"..was the highlight of this film.....

-it was pretty sentimental when she sees her daughter/bedroom scene....not use to seeing that from QT

-make sure you guys stay at the end ofter the credits are done...there is an "eyepooping" extra at the end.....

-speaking of eyes ...that sh*t was wicked.....  :yabbse-thumbup:

-the music was better in vol. One..

-it was cool to se SLJ in this....nice surprise....

-finally, killer dialogue.....

-the "grave of paule schratz" or whatever was the best chapter in the film...the whole scnene w/ the dug up body and the "mis e scene"..steller....**whats also funny is that the dead body in the casket is doing a shadow puppet of a rooster or a bunny/chicken very nice touch.....

-carridine rocked....

-i can't wait till the final cut ....when both are put together on dvd.....


gotta run..mod-age  et al, i will read your reviews soon....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 16, 2004, 07:25:22 PM
also: there were some spots in the film that didnt sit quite right with me.  the tone didnt seem right in places, and i realize how difficult it must've been to get the tone for the whole bill finale and i dont think it was quite right through the whole thing.  theres a lot of story/emotions/dialogue to get through during that part and it doesnt all go down quite right for me.  

was it just my print put together wrong or a last minute decision to move the beginning credits to the end of the film with uma in the car in black and white?  the beginning credits were after the end credits.  weird.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Sleuth on April 16, 2004, 07:31:53 PM
spoimlers

hey pete, I really like that chapter where you're teaching the Bride
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Finn on April 16, 2004, 09:02:44 PM
This is a brilliant film! I loved the dialouge, the creativity of the direction and the scenes where Uma Thurman gets in and out of those tricky situations. It's not as dark, violent or even as visually stunning as the first one. Tarantino takes a step back from that and pays more attention to his writing. It's a very satisfying way to end the story and it does so with loads of creativity.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: TENOCH on April 16, 2004, 09:54:50 PM
This is a Spoiler Question I think.


What was the extra shot after the end credits? I just missed it by a few seconds
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 16, 2004, 10:25:36 PM
Still nobody's explained what makes it a good film...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 16, 2004, 10:37:31 PM
Quote from: TENOCH
This is a Spoiler Question I think.
What was the extra shot after the end credits? I just missed it by a few seconds

an outtake of uma pulling out that guys eye in the first movie and saying something funny.
Quote from: mutinyco
Still nobody's explained what makes it a good film...

i think i explained what made it a good (but flawed) film for me personally.  but i dont think i can convince you.  if you dont care for tarantino, that may just not be your thing.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: pete on April 16, 2004, 10:57:32 PM
wow it was good, wish I was in LA 'cause my friends there saw the two movies back to back last night--that woulda been a blast.  Really liked the David Carradine interview on page 21--that's the most honest I've read him in.  He's been writing about that movie in his Inside Kungfu column for almost two years now (feels that way at least) and just been talking himself up and whatever, but in that interview he finally came clean.  Pretty cool.
Again, wish I had seen the fight against Michael Jai White, Uma did her best, but Michael Jai White deserves a break and that fight scene was supposed to be awesome.
Didn't really care for the Mexcian brothel either.
Hmm, writing about this film makes me wanna see it again.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pas on April 16, 2004, 11:24:29 PM
Humm yeah so that was rather disapointing. It was good and all, but it never reached any climax.

The fight with Elle was my favorite scene. Which says a lot about the emotional drive this one gave me : none.

A decent succession of winks at notorious directors and also an incredibly large amount of self-recognition. How many times do we need to be reminded that this is a film by Quentin Tarantino ? Twice on the DVD cover, and 4 times in the movie's credits I guess.

Like someone said, inspiration and references are good, but there's a line not to cross, that Kill Bill, Vol 2 at least, has crossed in my mind.
Title: Re: A True Masterpiece
Post by: Henry Hill on April 16, 2004, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: TENOCH
I feel sorry for people who don't enjoy this film. This is a masterpiece by Tarantino. Enough said.


i absolutely agree. i wonder if as a whole film it would have been edited differently? would some of volume 1 been mixed with volume 2? would both films as they are now have been cut down for the one film? i dont know, but i cant wait to see it as a whole. i almost dont want to compare the two films, because  technically they are not. its funny, as my fiance and i were walking of the theater she heard this group of guys saying "that was the biggest piece of shit, etc." i would dismiss the chance that they did not see volume 1, otherwise why see volume 2? so my final conclusion was that they were expecting what they got from the first film. with the all out revenge, killing, and things. how could they have not gotten the memo from what seems like hundreds of interviews between quentin, uma, and michael..and daryl even from the past few weeks.  that volume 2 was to be more story and less sword play. it was quentins writing at its best. something i found kind of interesting, but in hindsight am not surprised, there was not a single black person in the theater (as opposed to volume 1). clearly they got the memo.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 16, 2004, 11:34:55 PM
i really really dug this movie. i still like volume one more, but this is a great great film.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: nix on April 16, 2004, 11:56:24 PM
Had to wait til now to post my feelings. I saw it on Tuesday night, but it was the most maddening screening I've ever attended. Out of focus the whole time. This was my first time seeing volume 2 and the motherfucker was out of focus.

So I saw it again tonight and fuck, man... it's great. Simply great.

mutinyco, I'll tell you why I think it's good:

1. the many many wonderfully funny moments. I think people forget that at the end of the day, this thing is supposed to be funny. Jesus, the pregnancy test scene alone is more brilliantly funny than many entire movies. Pai Mei was a riot.

2. A movie called Kill Bill takes you from hating Bill and wanting to see him dead, to actually liking him, and changing your mind. That takes skill. D.C.'s performance was perfect.

3. Scenes that almost no other filmmaker would ever think of putting in. The whole titty bar scene. It's great character stuff. Another character you think you hate is made sympathetic for a brief moment. No one else would take the time to do that.

4. It's so beautiful to look at. I love the use of color saturation and grain in the Pai Mei chapter. The B&W, the use of 1:33, sitting in black for three minutes, all very inspired stuff.

5. The speeches! Bill's story about Pai Mei, his Superman speech, Elle's speech about the black mamba, the fish story. The story about Bill sucking his thumb...

I also feel like volume two doesn't stand on it's own, but the way I look at it, it's one movie. I'm trying to put the two together in my head, but it's tough. Once I see it as one movie I predict it will be a grindhouse masterpiece. Aww fuck it, it already is.[/b][/u]
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SHAFTR on April 17, 2004, 12:26:57 AM
after loving Vol 1...I need to see Vol 2 again.  I'm not quite sure how I feel.  I definitely liked it...but I'm not sure how much.  I'll go see it again and post a more thought out review.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on April 17, 2004, 01:44:24 AM
***********SPOILER**********






come on. That underground/claustrophobia scene was just amazing.






*************END SPOILER**************
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on April 17, 2004, 03:26:55 AM
I've been skimming this thread to see people's thoughts without viewing any spoilers and I'm chomping at the bit to see this on sunday afternoon.  :-D
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on April 17, 2004, 04:08:03 AM
Quote from: themodernage02
also: there were some spots in the film that didnt sit quite right with me.  the tone didnt seem right in places, and i realize how difficult it must've been to get the tone for the whole bill finale and i dont think it was quite right through the whole thing.  theres a lot of story/emotions/dialogue to get through during that part and it doesnt all go down quite right for me.  


........before watchin gthis film ......people need to read what i qouted from mod-age ......he nailed it.....!!!!!!!!


-all that vol. 2 has done is prove how stupid it was to make this into 2 volumes......its like i feel that after months..... "'NOW"  i hit the "'resume" buttoin on  a film....and the whole flow of it is pucked......get that sh*t through your phucking skullz.......part 2 suffered from the split.....l;ike i have said earlier.....WAIT UNTIL VOlS. 1&2 ARE SPLICED TOGETHER TO MAKE A COMPLETE FILM......on dvd......damn,  that  would be sweet.....
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Myxo on April 17, 2004, 04:37:01 AM
This film is the fucking BOMB.

Oh my god..

*creams himself*

I'm going again tomorrow..

So much better than the first.. It's crazy.

<-- This entire sequence.. *creams himself again*

:)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Finn on April 17, 2004, 08:19:04 AM
Yeah, I'm gonna try to go today again too. It's truly a creative piece of art!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 17, 2004, 10:11:32 AM
SPOILERS (not that mutinyco cares or so...)

That's the thing. Everybody is pointing out their favorite MOMENTS, but nobody's explained what makes it successful as a whole. Because I don't think it is. I agree there are some very inspired bits. But as a whole film is has no sense of urgency, no sense of cohesion, no sense of pacing. As for liking Bill by the end, I don't think that's clever, but a poor design on Tarantino's part. Because by the time we get to the end, there's been nothing within Bill's development to explain how he could've ordered and performed such a cold-blooded massacre -- including putting a bullet in the bride's head. His excuse, that he just sort of "lost it", doesn't hold. It's weak. I never believed that Bill could have been the leader of an elite killing machine.

And come on, if all of these people knew she was coming after them, HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT HAVE BEEN TO KILL HER? REALLY?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SHAFTR on April 17, 2004, 11:05:34 AM
Quote from: mutinyco
SPOILERS (not that mutinyco cares or so...)

That's the thing. Everybody is pointing out their favorite MOMENTS, but nobody's explained what makes it successful as a whole. Because I don't think it is. I agree there are some very inspired bits. But as a whole film is has no sense of urgency, no sense of cohesion, no sense of pacing. As for liking Bill by the end, I don't think that's clever, but a poor design on Tarantino's part. Because by the time we get to the end, there's been nothing within Bill's development to explain how he could've ordered and performed such a cold-blooded massacre -- including putting a bullet in the bride's head. His excuse, that he just sort of "lost it", doesn't hold. It's weak. I never believed that Bill could have been the leader of an elite killing machine.

And come on, if all of these people knew she was coming after them, HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT HAVE BEEN TO KILL HER? REALLY?


and how did Pai Mei jump on top of a sword?  That's impossible!

I don't think realism and your complaints aren't really justified in a movie such as this.  It's not supposed to be realistic, your last complaint is just ridiculous.  It's like hating weterns or action films because the bad guys always miss.  There are certain conventions of a genre that are there and it is just the way it is.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 17, 2004, 11:08:38 AM
I saw it, I loved it. I laughed a bit more that I thought was needed, but it was amazing. Say what you want, I was never bored, I was hooked. Quentin is a master, he knows what he does. I have to say that maybe those that detested volume 2 did so due to the lack of pure blood lust in the first movie. I loved every second, Carradine was great, Uma's never been better, Quentin is at the top of his game... again, and the ending where she kills bill, was amazing. Pai Mei was cool too. Better than volume 1, for me.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 17, 2004, 11:09:09 AM
Quote from: SHAFTR
Quote from: mutinyco
SPOILERS (not that mutinyco cares or so...)

That's the thing. Everybody is pointing out their favorite MOMENTS, but nobody's explained what makes it successful as a whole. Because I don't think it is. I agree there are some very inspired bits. But as a whole film is has no sense of urgency, no sense of cohesion, no sense of pacing. As for liking Bill by the end, I don't think that's clever, but a poor design on Tarantino's part. Because by the time we get to the end, there's been nothing within Bill's development to explain how he could've ordered and performed such a cold-blooded massacre -- including putting a bullet in the bride's head. His excuse, that he just sort of "lost it", doesn't hold. It's weak. I never believed that Bill could have been the leader of an elite killing machine.

And come on, if all of these people knew she was coming after them, HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT HAVE BEEN TO KILL HER? REALLY?


and how did Pai Mei jump on top of a sword?  That's impossible!

I don't think realism and your complaints aren't really justified in a movie such as this.  It's not supposed to be realistic, your last complaint is just ridiculous.  It's like hating weterns or action films because the bad guys always miss.  There are certain conventions of a genre that are there and it is just the way it is.


I agree 100%
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: nix on April 17, 2004, 11:15:44 AM
Exactly Shaftr.

Tarantino uses some of the conventions of each genre he's paying homage to, but the difference, mutinyco IS the little moments. Other movies in each respective genre would have left  these out. These aren't just my favorite parts, hell I basically described the whole fucking movie.

I don't expect you to understand what I mean, because you don't seem to like Tarantino movies. But hell, just one example of a director who uses a series of moments to create great cinema is Godard. There are several more (no point in listing them). So your argument about listing all of my favorite parts makes no sense.

I've agreed that volume 2 feels a bit incomplete, but like I said before, I'm trying to put the two volumes together in my head, and from what I can decipher, together it's a goddamn masterpiece.

We think it's good. You don't. And that's fine, I'm not trying to convince you to like it, I'm just telling you why I do. Can we please leave it at that?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: pete on April 17, 2004, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: Slomb
spoimlers

hey pete, I really like that chapter where you're teaching the Bride


thanks, but I liked that chapter when I was chopping sushi the best.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Sleuth on April 17, 2004, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: pete
Quote from: Slomb
spoimlers

hey pete, I really like that chapter where you're teaching the Bride


thanks, but I liked that chapter when I was chopping sushi the best.


Pete, you ALWAYS chop sushi
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 17, 2004, 03:29:51 PM
I'd prefer it if nobody edited my posts. I don't think I spoiled anything that hadn't been covered in previous posts by other people.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I didn't hate the movie. I just found it unaffecting and boring. And I don't dislike Tarantino, since I was into him before a lot of people here had pubes. I saw Reservoir Dogs when it first came out and immediately read his original scripts for True Romance and NBK. But by the time he got to Pulp I found he wasn't progressing. It was all style and no substance. All reference and no originality.

I'm not sure the Godard reference holds up, because, yeah, Godard's films usually aren't successful as wholes. His parts are more interesting. And as Tarantino, himself, pointed out, he's no longer a fan of Godard. He considers him to be college-level thinking. Somebody to be grown out of. A phase.

I think the criticism that nobody tries to stop The Bride is perfectly valid. If the only thing in favor of it is convention, then where's the progress? Again, most genre movies AREN'T good movies. There's a reason they're referred to as "B-movies." This is a major issue, because without them trying to stop her there's no TENSION. If they tried to organize to stop her, then you'd have great suspense! But as it is, this film is a series of unorganized, yet elaborately staged action pieces. There's NOTHING holding any of it together. There's no forward momentum and NOTHING to motivate the jumbled structure.

I like the little things. I like little things in movies. But you can't make a film just of little things. True, most features are all about action and momentum and they discard the fun details. But here, it's just the opposite. It's a series of fun moments without an overall objective. It's probably better as 2 films. I kind of enjoyed the first one, even if it was for only the superficial aspects: style and action. If they'd been 1 film it would have been an unrelenting clash of mismatched styles.

You see, my biggest gripe is that all Tarantino is offering is STYLE. That's NEVER been the trademark of greatness. What made filmmakers great were the IDEAS they were putting forth. Name one great filmmaker whose sole objective was style. Welles? Fellini? Godard? Kubrick? Scorsese? Altman? It was their IDEAS. It was their attitudes. What made them great was the RISKS they were taking. Fellini hovering the statue of Christ over Rome in La Dolce Vita. Kubrick annihilating the world in Dr. Strangelove. Welles attacking the most powerful media mogul in Citizen Kane. That's what made them great: THEIR BALLS!

I don't see ANY of that here or within QT's work. And I find it really frustrating. Because he's obviously got talent. And as a person, he's REALLY nice and approachable. But it's distressing for me to see fans and critics alike sucking his dick, instead of firmly (no pun intended) pointing him in the right direction. He's promoting "cool". Well, how many cool guys do you know who ever amounted to anything? Fonzie was the coolest, right? Well, look at Fonzie's life -- he was a loser! It's the geeks, nerds and misfits who change the world. QT is obviously one of those. Only he's been brainwashed into thinking he's the other. And it's affected his work.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 17, 2004, 03:47:45 PM
maybe he was putting out ideas while you were asleep?  perhaps because tarantino is such a stylish filmmaker people dont want to give him credit for putting out any ideas into his films although they're probably there if you look for them.  maybe mishmashing these unrelated styles IS his idea?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Tictacbk on April 17, 2004, 04:29:11 PM
Kill Bill, to me, is an exercise in style.  That is its idea, and QT is obviously very successful in that.  To say that the film carried no momentum is just ludicrous.  From vol1 to vol2 there was an insane amount of momentum.  Granted, it slowed down, but only because if it didn't Kill Bill would've been a boring film.  As for QT not having Ideas in any of his films besides Rdogs is just plain bullshit.  Pulp is full of ideas regarding redemption, and crime and whatnot.  Hell, the way he uses dialogue so well and takes his time with everything could be considered an "idea."
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 17, 2004, 04:31:36 PM
No. His dialogue is style. If you want to talk ideas, which nobody around here really does, let's move this discussion to here: http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=5946
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Scorchoz on April 17, 2004, 04:44:27 PM
I saw the film last night and really liked it. However I didn't think the Uma-daughter scenes were very effective. especially the last one. and the art direction in mexico really bothered me.

aside from that, I loved Caradine! Madsen was great, his boss was really good too. I thought it was funny and highly entertaining.

That fight scene with Uma and D.Hannah was awesome.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ghostboy on April 17, 2004, 07:54:53 PM
I'm working on my review, and once I've finished it I'll throw my two or three cents in as to why it's a great movie.

However, if someone thinks that the pinnacle of Tarantino's career is Reservoir Dogs, and that his work since is bereft of new ideas, there's no point in arguing with them since they're simply diametrically opposed to what people like me see as progression in talent. I mean, I don't even really like Reservoir Dogs anymore.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 17, 2004, 11:02:46 PM
A similar opinion to mine: http://arts.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2004/04/16/bftara16.xml
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: tpfkabi on April 18, 2004, 12:21:43 AM
i happen to love Godard, but didn't he borrow a lot of scenes from other movies as well? i'm sure i've read that (or am i thinking specifically of Truffaut's 400 Blows?) but i can't confirm since i haven't seen the films that influenced the New Wave directors.

anywho, about the film. after watching Kill Bill Vol. 1 on DVD twice in the last couple of days, it's stature has grown considerably.  it's not the blood and/or fighting aspect of Vol. 1 that i'm drawn to, but QT's use of interesting cinematic devices, etc. the opening scene/credits........the long shot in the House of Blue Leaves.......the school bus pulling up in the window.........the Kaboom cereal box and the crackle of the cereal when Uma walks away as we see the little girl's Pumas.......there are just a few off the top of my head...... and i just don't think there are as many of these types of moments in Vol 2.

S P O I L E R S

i agree w/ someone that the buried alive scene was amazing.......it really makes the viewer "feel" like they're buried alive.......it seemed she climbed up a lot more than 7 feet to get out though...........i liked the b&w chapel scene.......SLJ's cigarette smoke and the Ford doorway shots.......Carradine was great.......i really don't see how the shotgun blow to the Bride's chest didn't effect her more..........some things went on for a little too long...........and the mother/daughter thing seemed too sunny for QT.........it just didn't seem to fit him..........so i'm not sure how i feel just yet.........Kill Bill Vol. 1 > Vol. 2 for now..............just waiting to see the spliced together film........hopefully with the Crazy 88 scene in full color..........and yes, the Beatrice(sp?)/school girl scene was really weird........why was B an adult?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: pete on April 18, 2004, 12:22:31 AM
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spoimlers

hey pete, I really like that chapter where you're teaching the Bride


thanks, but I liked that chapter when I was chopping sushi the best.


Pete, you ALWAYS chop sushi


with you I just can't win.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ravi on April 18, 2004, 01:41:04 AM
I didn't read any reviews before seeing Volume Two, but I had a feeling that it would not be the hyperviolent film Volume One was.  People who liked Volume One only for the comic violence would be disappointed in this installment.

About B-movies not being good movies.  That is usually true, but certain genres like westerns and kung fu movies have their ardent followers, so they do have a place in people's hearts.  I know that a lot of these films are not creative with plot.  How many kung fu films are about the protagonist avenging his master's death, for example?  But we don't always have logical reasons for liking movies, and we often like movies we know are not exactly (to use a cliche) Citizen Kane.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 18, 2004, 02:50:05 AM
i just got back from my second viewing of this movie. QT is so good at everything he does. Daryl Hannah was the shit, Michael Madsen was brilliant, and I agree with Ebert, David Carradine deserves an oscar nod. i reccomend this movie to everyone.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: RegularKarate on April 18, 2004, 10:37:25 AM
The movie was great

People who say that it doesn't work as two films aren't paying enough attention because it works great, but I'll be interested in seeing it put into one... they'll have to cut some scenes out and rearrange it nicely... can't just tape the two together back to front.

People who say QT hasn't grown as a filmmaker since RD haven't seen or payed attention to Jackie Brown (while I love KB, JB is still his best film).

The problem with most critic's reviews of this film is that this is one of the films that beats out critical opinion with it's energy and attitude.  The bullshit formula that most film-critics use to decide whether or not they like a film doesn't fit this one very well.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Sleuth on April 18, 2004, 10:46:29 AM
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spoimlers

hey pete, I really like that chapter where you're teaching the Bride


thanks, but I liked that chapter when I was chopping sushi the best.


Pete, you ALWAYS chop sushi


with you I just can't win.


Actually my original intent was that you were an Asian who was condescending and always critiquing somebody's fighting styles (and is funny :oops:  :oops: ) but if you make swords too, that's cool
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on April 18, 2004, 11:59:11 AM
Quote from: mutinyco


And come on, if all of these people knew she was coming after them, HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT HAVE BEEN TO KILL HER? REALLY?



********Mmm, mmm, some SPOILERS for Breakfast*************




I think the not seeking her out to kill her thing A) caused the Bride to have to go through more effort just to get SERVED mofackey...you know the whole 'I want her to suffer' thing...and
B) You could tell Bill still had feelings for her. He felt 'Sad' after he had put a bullet in her, which he didn't think he could, because he's a fucking 'natural born killer' for chrissake. But alas, he was in error. And being the Big Boss Man still, he did want to see Beatrix again, but make her earn his way to him. That's what I was led to believe.
C) Although this goes more with the themes of Tarantino's movies, you always had the 'Honor among theives' thread going (in this case among assassins), which is why death wasn't exactly an act of 'let's do this shit and get it done with'. And then there was Elle who wanted her to suffer for takin the man she wanted. And Vernita probably wanted to catch her off guard. O-Ren tried to 'Tear the Bitch Apart' and failed. Budd was sympathetic to Elle's wishes and was a lil sadistic himself. Bill had a moral conflict.

*** BIG FIGHT SCENE SPOILER****

I also liked how Tarantino brought his 'creation of a myth, bringing that myth back to earth' theme to Vol. II.  Like in Jackie Brown, we see Pam Grier as A Goddess almost, walkin' all sexy like w/ power, only to find out she has to get to her shitty Job on time (or so says the 'Trivia track'). With Elle, she had gained such an elevated status as an opponent, the audience had NO idea that Elle could have her other 'ojo' plucked out.  Yet Uma did the same thing in Volume I to a random Crazy 88. In other words, despite her status, Elle was just another human being as fragile as that nameless guy in a suit. Same with the simplicity of the Bill fight when everyone was expecting boom whack kapow MothaFUCKAAAAAAAAAH!
Diggable.



******END ALL SPOILERS********
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: socketlevel on April 18, 2004, 12:05:31 PM
loved the film, but the Uma Thurman name reveal sucked shit.  i was expecting something more then that.  he should have even just never given away the name.  i don't know i remember reading on here how it was clever and funny.  just came across a little too clever and not at all funny.

-sl-
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 18, 2004, 12:34:43 PM
Definitely.  Why give the name reveal to Elle?  It should have been Bill or even B.B. (which I just got why she was named such) who brought it out.

But other than that, QT's outdone himself as a director with Vol. 2.  Though they both work separately, if he cuts them together, then Pulp Fiction may finally be toppled as my favorite of his flicks.

But what happened to Michael Jai White? He was in the Vol. 1 teaser.  How much shit did Quentin cut out of the movie?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Finn on April 18, 2004, 01:27:44 PM
#1 at the box office with 25.6 mil!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on April 18, 2004, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: Quoyle
#1 at the box office with 25.6 mil!

http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?p=135979#135979
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 18, 2004, 01:49:15 PM
Really enjoyable.  I'll say that. The steady pacing through out this film at least makes me appreciate the first one more, making me desire to see it again and just enjoy it for the action that is missing in Volume 2 cause I really dug the characters and environment here.

That said, its obvious to me Tarantino is still miles away from his best work, Pulp Fiction. I don't think Pulp Fiction was a great artistic work, but it was significant in that Tarantino, even from Reservoir Dogs, broke completely from having a protagonist to really care about. You may identify with certain people in Pulp Fiction, but dramatically, none are written to get your sympathy. Tarantino, the director, is the protagonist. His swirling camera and quotation after quotation of this movie, that genre, this music and such is what one really identifies with. I think this is the main movement he started, the director as rock star who can quotes film similar to the way Godard did but keep his identity solely American in that they are still entertainment films. After Pulp, Jackie Brown tried to have a plot and failed in my eyes. Tarantino was pushing his style button too much.

Now, with Kill Bill, there is a return of sorts for Tarantino. He does play with a genre, but Kill Bill is not the ultimate achievement that Pulp Fiction is. Kill Bill is entirely predictable...Pulp Fiction isn’t. This is a worthy comment because the genres behind both films produce films that are predictable. My main complaint of Kill Bill is that Tarantino did little to really spin the kung fu genre into an entirely unique film like Pulp Fiction, but just added explosive elements to gloss it up. So there is so much cheesiness and predictability and buffoonery that hinders many kung fu films from being anything more and Tarantino accepts it without expanding it. No, I’m not asking for a straight dramatic work, but something more unique. The thing most unique is the difference of tone between each volume and how that off suits each other and made me really yearn to see the other more because both offer what the other is missing (action, storyline). Thing is, the storylines of Kill Bill vol 2 hardly satisfy the way Pulp Fiction did with its portrait of characters. Tarantino feels like he is sketching here where he delved with Pulp. With Vol 1, the action scenes are done with excellence, but the best of kung fu is neglected. Tarantino has to be all style to hide the lack of fighting talent in Hollywood actors. If he used professional fighters, he still could have been stylistic, but the fighting scenes would have cemented in the best quality of the genre. I’ve seen Vol 1 twice now and many of the fighting scenes are already beginning to drag a little.

But, hey, both volumes are a lot of fun. I enjoyed them and loved how detailed Tarantino is in each scene and how Tarantino is so good with his film making that him filming a lunch of actors talking would be the price of admission. Its just most of the praise I feel is undeserving considering what Tarantino has achieved in the past.

And P.S. JB, you win. I see both volumes as one film now.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Myxo on April 18, 2004, 04:14:45 PM
Quote from: Ghostboy
I don't even really like Reservoir Dogs anymore.


Reservoir Dogs and Hard Eight are pretty much the same to me. They're both fantastic debut films, but neither of them hold a candle to later work.

Edit: Oh, and anyone who loved the sequence with Uma and Pai Mei must rent this film. In fact, if you loved Kill Bill at all, you've gotta go find this film.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078243/

Sometimes known as "36th Chamber of Shaolin" or "The Master Killer".
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ravi on April 18, 2004, 04:37:25 PM
I loved how the Pai Mei sequence was shot like an old kung fu film, with the grainy look and sloppy zooms.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Gloria on April 18, 2004, 04:37:53 PM
I loved this movie.  Thankfully, there was a great audience and no cell phones when I saw it, which just added to the experience.  

*Spoilers*

The eyeball part was awesome.  Especially when the entire audience simultaniously jumps and gasps and then goes "Ewwww"!!  I agree with everyone who said the burying alive scene was great.  It did a great job of having the audience know what it sounds like to be buried alive.  There was some great comedic moments in this as well.  "You're about as useful as an asshole right here."  Classic.  I, personally, loved the superhero analogy and the daughter/mother movie night.  Great, great, great.

*End Spoilers*

I can't wait to see both movies back to back.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: TENOCH on April 18, 2004, 06:20:35 PM
If you don't dont like this film, then you dont get Tarantino. It would have been a failure if he kept the the same pace from Vol. I. I was expecting more of the same from the first. But was surprise to get an almost totally different movie. Carradine is the man. Uma is a visual gift to this world. Madsen was Madsen. This film to me is a collection of what I loved about past Tarantino films and scripts perfected and all rolled into one great film. Thank You Quentin for this film treasure that I will enjoy for years to come.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Jake_82 on April 18, 2004, 08:52:53 PM
**spoilers**

Quote from: Gloria
The eyeball part was awesome.  Especially when the entire audience simultaniously jumps and gasps and then goes "Ewwww"!!


I was in a really great audience on Friday when I saw this-- There was a line from the front of the door that was two blocks long, and tickets were sold out by the time I got there so I had to buy a ticket for "The Girl Next Door" just to get in. Anyway, when Beatrice pulled out Elle's eye the entire audience started clapping and everyone there was really excited to be watching the movie.

I wonder if anyone can tell me about the alternate versions of Volume II-- I know in Volume I the fight with the Crazy 88s is colorized in certain asian prints of the film, and that the Japanese version also includes several extra minutes of footage throughout, and that Tarantino et al refuse to discuss exactly what the variations between the different versions are (supposedly there are more than just the American and Japanese versions, I've read he created different cuts for several other countries); but I'm wondering what the changes in Volume II are.

There have been rumors about an entire alternate chapter about the story of some guy or something (pardon my skimpiness on the details) and possibly an anime sequence in certain versions. There was also a sequence giving some backstory on Bill of which some short clips were included in a few of the trailers that was cut out of in favor of the current method of introducing Bill in the scene where he plays the flute outside the chapel.

On the Kill Bill vol. 2 imdb board (I know, not exactly an accurate source, but what was said was intriguing nonetheless) someone claimed that in the asian version of vol. 2, the final confrontation with Bill was show differently... that they actually went to the moonlit beach that was only mentioned in the american cut and had a full-on sword fight. Normally I would disregard that type of rumor since it seems so radically different from the way it was pulled off in America, but it's interesting... I know I read somewhere that David Carradine was accidentally sliced by Uma Thurman in the "final fight scene" and he kept on fighting on screen without flinching since he was so used to that sort of injury after being in Kung Fu and shit... but they didn't really have a "final fight" in the American version except for a few seconds of sword action sitting in chairs.

Tarantino says he cut Kill Bill for different regions based on what he thinks that region would respond best to. Maybe he thought Americans would respond better to a slightly more emotional climax by having Beatrice and Bill sit down and go through some degree of reconciliation before she does what she has to do, rather than having them duke it out. I don't know... it's all pretty much speculation at this point, since there's no way to find out what the variations in different versions are, but I hope we get to see the cut out/changed scenes on some DVD at some point in one of the million DVD releases that are going to result from the two movies.

And yeah, it's pretty lame of me to be unsatisfied with the confrontation with Bill since the rest of the movie was so outstanding, but I was a little disappointed that the moment for which the movie was named was rather anticlimatic (in terms of action, at least), so I'm hoping there's an alternate version we'll get to see at some point.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on April 18, 2004, 09:14:02 PM
the fight on the beach was in the script, but was never shot as far as i know

SPOILERS

and the fight on the beach wasnt a big fight either, he just came at her and she blocked his blow, then did the five point palm exploding heart technique as in the film...and the only difference from there in the script is that it says you hear his heart explode (its described as a sound similar to a tire blowout)...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on April 18, 2004, 10:45:12 PM
I just saw it. Spoilers ensue.

I can't believe you guys

A. love it
B. think Carradine was any good


This was the biggest let-down of my life, besides PDL. I feel like crying right now. Cos it's a nice long 3+ years until I get to see a new QT movie now, and this is what I have to keep me company. Moments of brilliance, yes, of course. But lots of useless chatter. Chatter that, besides the strip club firing and the Superman speech, was totally BORING. And with the exception of the goofy rack zooms, where was the fucking style? Wasn't this supposed to be an excercise in style? We come to the end of an almost 5 hour epic, and instead of a great final fight, I get a mom hugging her kid? What fucking shit is this?!!!

 :cry:  nor  :(  nor  :evil:  can accurately describe how raped I feel right now.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ghostboy on April 18, 2004, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
SPOILERS

instead of a great final fight, I get a mom hugging her kid?


That's precisely why I loved it. Here's my review's rough draft:

The first volume of the single film that is 'Kill Bill' ended on a note of pure narrative momentum, and now, like  a reader who set down a great novel to prolong the arrival at the end, we come to part two to find the momentum briefly picked up in an introductory sequence and then ground to a sudden and jarring halt. Quentin Tarantino deposits us in El Paso, Texas, before the events of the first film, and lets us pay witness to the massacre of his and Uma Thurman's character, the Bride, and her wedding party. Or rather: we meet the wedding party, as they rehearse the walk down the aisle; and we finally meet Bill (David Carradine), who makes a surprise appearance, and see him display a tenderness for the Bride that is not necessarily a facade; and then, when the massacre that we've already seen the aftermath to occurs, Tarantino moves his camera outside and lets the audience put two and two together.

Gone is the giddy carnage and buckets of merrily spilt blood that marked the first film; the death toll in this episode is exponentially less, and the action is less graphic but more violent. When the plot picks up, the Bride has only two opponents left before she reaches Bill -- Budd (Michael Madsen) and Elle (Darryl Hannah) -- and when you consider that these last acts of vengeance are spread out over nearly two and half hours, you get an idea of what Tarantino is going for here; these aren't action figures that are being killed anymore, but people, and these people talk. A lot.

Yes, that the dialogue takes precedence here has a lot do with the advanced character development. But consider the less obvious points, such as the fact that the Bride, it turns out, does have a name; until a certain point in this film, every utterance of her name has been bleeped out, to rather comical effect. Audiences may be expecting some twist, some big joke, upon its revalation, but no, her name is revealed with little fanfare, and perhaps it may slip over some heads that the point of it all is simply that she has a name. In the first volume, she was simply the Bride, an unstoppable spirit of inhuman vengeance. In this one, it turns out she's that, but she's also just a girl with a name that made kids laugh at her in school. She's a person.

The first two acts of Volume Two concern the dispatchment of Budd and Elle, the two remaining members of the Deadly Viper Assasination Squad. The Bride's methodical execution style fails her here, allowing Tarantino to shake things up and let the structure become messy, less predictable. Much time is spent with Budd, who we learn is Bill's brother, and who still has an iota of honor in his slovenly heart. He has a few colorful conversations, with his boss at a titty bar and with a bizarre little gravedigger, that are the type of scenes that would surely have been cut had the two volumes of the film been combined initially. Their presence here, so out of the blue and technically unnecessary to the plot, color the characters and mark the film as Tarantino's; there are a few things he loves more than to stop the action and listen to his characters speak his dialogue. He's one of those auteurs who can get away with it.

The Bride spends some time underground, where she's supposed to be asphyxiating in an early grave, and this gives Tarantino the opportunity to indulge in his other favorite sport: homage. Being buried alive leads up to a moment that has Mario Bava and Lucio Fulci written all over it, but before that there is an extended flashback to China, where Bill takes the Bride to be trained in martial arts under the ancient master Pai Mei. The whole sequence is an ode to Shaw Brothers kung fu films, the kind shot on grainy reversal stock with lots of awkward zooms and slightly imperfect dubbing.

Because he revels in these odes to the movies he loves, Tarantino's critics deride him unoriginality; they're mistaking love for theft. If Tarantino was truly simply lifting material, the Pai Mei material would have been tacked on, existing for the sake of reference alone; as it is, the derivative style is simply a finishing touch to a sequence that comes at a necessary point in the story to keep things moving forward.

The final conflict with Bill follows the pattern set by the rest of the movie; his confrontation with the Bride is a drawn out conversation, and while the outcome of their discussion is as it must be -- because this is, after all, a revenge film -- there is no satisfaction to be found in it. The characters in the films that inspired Tarantino to make this one follow a strict code; the characters he's written for this film end up unsure as to whether that code is effective, and their adherence to it is full of regret. Add to this the twist that was so effectively revealed in the last line of the first volume and we're left with an outcome that is almost subversive in its emotional effectiveness.

After you see Volume 2, imagine watching both it and the first volume back to back, as they were intended; imagine the effect the paradigm shift of the second half would have after the nonstop rush of the first. Just as he did with 'Pulp Fiction,' he's turned B movie material into a transcendent and startlingly original piece of cinema. It's a truly bizarre fugue: think about where the film starts out and where it ends up, and realize that this is a story you've never seen, and never would have imagined you'd see.

And because I'm certain I'll never see a film like this again, I'd like to take a moment here to rhapsodize about my personal favorite moments in this volume: the meeting of Bill and the Bride outside the church; the flashback to her pregnancy test; and her final scene on the bathroom floor, at the end of the movie. I think of these scenes, and marvel at this character Uma and Quentin have created, and how much, over the course of this story, I've grown to care about her, and how happy I am that she ends up where she ends up.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on April 18, 2004, 11:09:28 PM
I would never be one to call him "unoriginal", cos people who cry to that wolf are fucking unoriginal. I could care less how many shots/movies/whatever he rips off (nice to see The Vanishing here, btw). What I do care about is that when you have a cool movie that's supposed to be a style-fest, and you make a bunch of 2-D characters who are not interesting beyond their appearance and occupations, what good is it to have them talk and talk and talk? They have NOTHING to say. It transcended nothing for me, because it is a film about nothing. In the first one, the mindless gore transcended the B-movie fare it came from to be brilliance. That's why I loved it. In this one, I don't give a shit if the characters are happy or sad or whatever. I came to see bloody revenge. Jackie Brown characters I could sit with and talk for hours, there's a depth there. Here, it felt like a fake depth was tacked on, what with the endless explanantion of back-stories and motivations and all that other shit I hate. Obviously his intention was to make a much different second part than I wanted. It didn't work for me. Maybe I'll have to see them together as one movie, but I'm really not sure I even want to see part two again...


I say this all with a fierce and bitter jealousy that this movie worked so well for you. I really wish it did for me.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on April 18, 2004, 11:21:44 PM
worked perfectly for me.  sonowthen, you should at least see it one more time, you may like it much more second go.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 18, 2004, 11:42:08 PM
sonowthen, although i really liked the movie i can feel where you are coming from on this.  i'm actually surprised the movie is getting as much undivided love this time around on here considering what a difficult film i found it to be.  the whole thing is a sucker punch, and i think the biggest mistake was splitting the two parts up because take any great film and try to imagine splitting it down the middle into two seperate films that work.  i dont care how long it is, they're not going to work.  because it was structured as one film, and because the way he structures his scripts, splitting them up makes for (possibly) two unsatisfactory experiences.  half the people who hated the non-stop action and no depth of the first part and the other half who were expecting more of that in the second and it doesnt deliver.  so, i'm shocked as many people are accepting the film so grandly, (from the guy with the avatar, right?) but i dont think it was a home run for QT.  i dont think it was a flawless film.  even with what he was trying to accomplish with the story, some of the moments just dont quite play for me.  his other films, i dont have that problem.  i'm going to try to see it again this week and watch the first part DIRECTLY before i leave for theater.  i still think when they edit this thing together, it could be fantastic.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: nix on April 19, 2004, 12:33:25 AM
I think they work okay as two seperate parts, but ultimately I agree. As one movie (which is how I try to think of it), it's a masterpiece. I don't want anything cut or rearanged (except maybe lop off the little "preview" at the end of volume 1 and the little recap at the begining of volume 2). Just put them together. I can't wait until I can see it like that.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Kal on April 19, 2004, 12:47:52 AM
I liked it.

The thing is... I just came back from the theatre and its late... and I need to think a little bit more about the whole thing...

I saw Volume 1 again yesterday so that I was prepared for this, and I have to say I still wasnt... mainly because I wasnt thinking that I was seeing a film by this crazy son of a bitch Tarantino... and I thought it would be a simple continuation of Volume 1... LOTR style.

Volume 1 and 2 are two completely different films, and they should have different names... I guess it would have been edited different if they would have kept the original 1 film thing...

But where the fuck was the notebook with all the names that she has in Volume 1 and shows it around like 4 times?

Overall I liked the film... and Uma was sensational... There are scenes that were excellent... so I cant complain much... I'm just gonna shut up now...
Title: The Void
Post by: aerokong on April 19, 2004, 01:30:06 AM
I thought it boring, frivolous and offending. Even more than Kill Bill 1. At least there we had some incredible action sequences and virtuous editing.
Point to the editor, of course.

What was all that "hitman morale" this guy was trying to build? Does he really think he is deep in any sense?

Where is the story...

I will have to think that Quentin Tarantino most developed character is Quentin Tarantino and that it took all his "character development" energy.

A movie that says "I am so bright, audiences are so stupid, they swallow everything I put on screen just because it is me doing it"

"Come, leave your money, go home a little more stupid and confused"

The lioness has her cub, we have your dollars, you have nothing but think you got something.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Weak2ndAct on April 19, 2004, 02:19:43 AM
So... yeah, I saw volume 2.  I think it works spendidly, and should not be considered a seperate entity (curse you, Miramax!).  To make comparisons between which movie is better is ultimately pointless.  It is one work and should be considered as so... Yeah, it sucks you gotta pay for 2 movies w/ a 6 month intermission, but I'd rather get this 'unabridged version' than a 3 hour cut that was hacked to pieces.

Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I felt the movie moved pretty fast (and despite me reading the screenplay and knowing what was coming, might I add).  I loved the scenes w/ Budd, it was nice to see someone get the upper hand on the Bride-- and by the most downtrodden one of the bunch!  And the Elle scenes... I won't even try to praise them, my words wouldn't do them justice.

I guess what I loved most about the flick is how it subverted expectations... that two of the members of the death list were not actually killed by the Bride, and that Bill's death was almost anti-climatic (and I for one, was sad to see him go).  

I've heard a lot of people whine that the backstory is scant, and that we should have seen Uma and the gang 'in action,' but that would have been a colossal mistake.  Who cares how they disposed of people in the past?  This is a story of revenge and retribution.  

By no means will I say that Kill Bill is a perfect work.  It's not.  I have my complaints.  But when they're as petty as why Budd didn't get a freeze frame and title card, or whether or not the reveal of the Beatrix-moniker works, man, that's some seriously petty shit in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ghostboy on April 19, 2004, 02:43:12 AM
The scene in the school, when her name is revealed, struck me as very PTA-ish, for some reason.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on April 19, 2004, 07:45:12 AM
me too....i think i'm the only one that liked it, too lol  everyone else was like what the fuck?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 19, 2004, 08:19:53 AM
I thought that was a great scene
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Jake_82 on April 19, 2004, 08:32:50 AM
About the name reveal scene and also the character development-- I disagree with people who say that none of the characters were developed and there's no reason to care about anyone in the movie... I think that's to some extent true for Volume I, but Volume II was all about developing those characters.

At first the name reveal at that moment of the film seemed really random, but I think it was well placed now... we've just come off watching this long flashback about Pei Mei and we now have a greater understanding of Beatrice's character... it's like now she has an identity more concrete than this unstoppable killing machine simply called The Bride in Volume I-- and it's at that moment that her name is revealed to the audienceand she becomes more relatable to the audience.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: edison on April 19, 2004, 09:22:25 AM
Spoliers******





Saw this on friday, though it was good,a nice end to the chaos of vol.1, it didnt make me upset that there wasnt much action here, what i really cant wait for is how Tarantino is going to splice the two together and seeing that finished product. Here are some moments that i really liked:

-Buried Alive
-The steadicam from inside the chapel to outside and rising up in the air
-The whole trailer scene from when Elle(by the way what song is that?) is driving(which i really liked also) to Kiddo walking out of the trailer with Elle storming around "ojo" less.
-Bill's Superman speech
-The final fight in chairs, which i though was pretty awesome even though it was really quick and short, but to have them duke it out all the while just sitting there was pretty neat.
-"How do I look?"  "Ready"  good,sad moment
-Bill's sandwich making, just so natural and smooth, it was pretty hypnotic, i couldnt look at anything else that was going on

Now that we all know her name, when you go back and see vol.1 it's almost like her name was already given to us even though it was bleeped, Lucy says silly rabbit "trix" are for kidds(a line i first hated but once i knew her name though was pretty funny), bill calls her kiddo all the time.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on April 19, 2004, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: mutinyco
This was pretty accurate: http://www.thehotbutton.com/today/hot.button/2004_thb/040414.html


Wow, that's bizarrely weird, in that that guy hit it all on the nose, at least imo.



But I see some points that y'all are making, and I guess I will see it again. I've scanned, but I can't seem to find -- has Taz posted his thoughts yet?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pwaybloe on April 19, 2004, 11:53:10 AM
My wife and I went to go see the Saturday matinee.

I, of course, loved the movie.  So, I asked my wife what she thought of it after we left.  

She said, "It was a fucked up mommy and daughter story, but it worked."

That was the best review for the movie I've seen so far.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 19, 2004, 11:53:31 AM
Jesus, SoNowThen and I are in agreeance. Jesus. (8 year olds, Dude...)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on April 19, 2004, 11:56:15 AM
Yeah, I know.

Today the heavens shall part. Be thee ware, the end is nigh...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 19, 2004, 12:12:36 PM
Nah, it'll just be John Turturro getting his ass beat by a redneck.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: bonanzataz on April 19, 2004, 06:17:45 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
I've scanned, but I can't seem to find -- has Taz posted his thoughts yet?


nope, but i guess now's as good a time as any.

SPOILERS AHEAD, KIDDO

the movie first started and i was really into it, and then it kind of all slowed down and i was wondering whether or not i was digging it. then, once we flashed back to pei mai and uma escaped from the lonely grave of paula shulz, i was totally back in. budd was great, elle was great (esp. the "i killed your masta!" line and when she gets her eye torn out - that i was not expecting). overall i really enjoyed it. maybe not as good as vol. 1 - certainly very different - but as i left the theater w/ my friends, we all just felt really "satisfied." one friend of mine was saying that she had to close her eyes during the part where beatrix was getting buried and the screen was completely black - i thought that was funny and to me it means that tarantino succeeded. so, yeah, not the best movie ever, but i really like it and plan to see it again soon so as to form a real concrete opinion. certainly better than anything else i've seen in a while. besides dawn of the dead. dawn of the dead kicked ass.
Title: Re: The Void
Post by: Pozer on April 19, 2004, 07:29:09 PM
Quote from: aerokong

I will have to think that Quentin Tarantino most developed character is Quentin Tarantino and that it took all his "character development" energy.

A movie that says "I am so bright, audiences are so stupid, they swallow everything I put on screen just because it is me doing it"

"Come, leave your money, go home a little more stupid and confused"

The lioness has her cub, we have your dollars, you have nothing but think you got something.

you realize you're alone on this one right?

Did you haters see the same movie that my audience and I saw?
Title: Re: The Void
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 19, 2004, 08:17:28 PM
Quote from: poser(isms)
Quote from: aerokong

I will have to think that Quentin Tarantino most developed character is Quentin Tarantino and that it took all his "character development" energy.

A movie that says "I am so bright, audiences are so stupid, they swallow everything I put on screen just because it is me doing it"

"Come, leave your money, go home a little more stupid and confused"

The lioness has her cub, we have your dollars, you have nothing but think you got something.

you realize you're alone on this one right?

Did you haters see the same movie that my audience and I saw?


I agree, I don't even see the basis of their complaints
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Tictacbk on April 19, 2004, 08:59:32 PM
Wait...Kill Bill was confusing?  Someone stole my money? now I'm confused.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ©brad on April 19, 2004, 11:31:04 PM
okay so like whoa...

i think peter traver's review said it best when he described volume 2 as "the hottest mix tape in the history of cinema." t-o-t-a-l-l-y.

ghostboy's synopsis/review is brilliant, so ditto on all that.

let me first give props to uma, cuz all fanboys want to do is talk about tarantino, but uma's performance in this one was remarkably remarkable. how she can be so badass and tough while at the same time sweet and vulnerable is amazing, for lack of a better adjective. the look(s) on her face in the bathroom when she's lying on the floor crying/smiling (my favorite part)--- oh man.

okay, i was cringing in my seat during that buried-alive-cut-to-black scene. sweet jesus, was that intense or what? one of the more harrowing tarantino scenes, if not the most.  

here's my question; when did tarantino get so gosh darn visually innovative? i mean, this is not the same director of pulp/jb. actually, i see a lot of pta in kill bill, in both volumes.

what else... see there's so many good moments in the film, so many that they overwhelm eachother and u forget them. i have to say that i couldn't have been happy with the final chapter. i mean dude, it was really quite... moving, wasn't it? and who says tarantino has no heart?

i don't really understand the incessant need to view this as a separate film. 10 years from now, when we're all older and married and still jacking off to tarantino's filmography, we'll look back at kill bill as one film. i promise.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: edison on April 20, 2004, 01:44:05 PM
What was the point of Budd saying he sold the sword, was that just to make his brother mad?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Tictacbk on April 20, 2004, 02:41:44 PM
My thoughts were that he was just sort playing into his "gave up the life" and "she deserves her revenge and we deserve to die" image that he created for himself.




That reminds me...what happened to the pussy wagon?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 20, 2004, 03:02:38 PM
In the original script, the pussy wagon get's shot up by Yuki, go-go's sister, when she goes to get her revenge.

I read the script after I saw the movie, just wanted to see how it was on paper.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Banky on April 20, 2004, 04:15:21 PM
Quote from: TENOCH
If you don't dont like this film, then you dont get Tarantino


i dont think so

Quote from: SoNowThen
In the first one, the mindless gore transcended the B-movie fare it came from to be brilliance. That's why I loved it. In this one, I don't give a shit if the characters are happy or sad or whatever. I came to see bloody revenge. .


i mostly agree with this

Quote from: Weak2ndAct
I guess what I loved most about the flick is how it subverted expectations... that two of the members of the death list were not actually killed by the Bride, and that Bill's death was almost anti-climatic (and I for one, was sad to see him go).  


really? because that is one of the reasons i thought it was kind of lame.

i think that everyone’s opinion of the film is completely valid although I do believe some words like brilliant, splendid, and others are used at least on some level just because it's QT.

I thought the movie was but I wasn’t a fan of the "subverted expectations."  I mean what a huge reason to not like a film.  I mean watching all the epic fight scenes in KBV1 you think that the duel with Bill is going to be fucking cake.  I even thought to myself that I had not seen much of the bride and Bill fighting in the trailers so hopefully they were keeping it some what secret.  I mean I don’t see how more don’t think the ending was anti climactic.  I mean why hire DC if he’s not going to get in their and mix it up a bit?  The scenes with the daughter were very bland and I actually laughed when the bride played dead during the little game with the family as if she would do that not only when she has been focused on Bill for so long but she is also realizing her daughter is not dead.  I mean how many times can you show The Bride crying before it becomes ineffectual?  I liked the first one for all its funny nuances like The Brides notepad and the blaring siren noise but this film didn’t seem to have much of those.  I just felt like that I was cheated when she didn’t get her kill on Bud or Elle.  I am fine with suspending disbelief but the nearly point blank shot gun blast barely seem to affect her other than her initial hit to the ground.  I don’t agree that it is pointless to compare the two films because guess what, they are two separate movies.  That would be like saying you cannot compare Reloaded with Revolutions. (hopefully someone wont quote me on some shit I said about rel/rev months ago)  I understand that it is really one long movie broken into two but that doesn’t change that it is still broken into two.  I think as one film it would play a lot better and with some appropriate cuts as well.  All that being said I didn’t hate the movie by any means.  There were some things I did really like and that I thought were memorable but walking out of the theatre I just fell un-satisfied.

Im up for continuing to discuss this film and for arguing but keep in mind im not trying to be combative with anyone on my opinion  and honestly i am envious and happy for anyone who really loved this film.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Sleuth on April 20, 2004, 04:19:50 PM
SPOILOR

bankuy

One thing I kept in mind through the whole experience was that Warren Beatty was going to be Bill at first

also the shotgun blast was rock salt you use it to make ice cream
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 20, 2004, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: ©brad
let me first give props to uma, cuz all fanboys want to do is talk about tarantino, but uma's performance in this one was remarkably remarkable. how she can be so badass and tough while at the same time sweet and vulnerable is amazing, for lack of a better adjective. the look(s) on her face in the bathroom when she's lying on the floor crying/smiling (my favorite part)--- oh man.

yeah i know. thats why i voted for her at the xixax awards this year.

Quote from: ©brad
here's my question; when did tarantino get so gosh darn visually innovative? i mean, this is not the same director of pulp/jb. actually, i see a lot of pta in kill bill, in both volumes.

i agree. thats what i was so blown away by when i saw the first part, that he really had grown as a filmmaker, as far as just using your whole arsenal.  just like PDL seems like a totally different film than something like magnolia or boogie nights which are totally engrossing, but PDL was just a movie from another planet.  the sound/editing/wayitwasshot etc.  just totally different.  i think kill bill is the same way.

Quote from: ©brad
i don't really understand the incessant need to view this as a separate film. 10 years from now, when we're all older and married and still jacking off to tarantino's filmography, we'll look back at kill bill as one film. i promise.

because he made the decision to release it as two films.  it doesnt matter what it was intended as, because thats not how it was released.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Banky on April 20, 2004, 04:32:49 PM
Quote from: Slomb
SPOILOR

bankuy

also the shotgun blast was rock salt you use it to make ice cream


so i guess that means it was just for dehabilitating her?  Thanks for telling me cause i didnt understand thats what he meant.  My apologies for my early remark regarding the subject


man ebert really need to lay off the pipe


Quote from: Roger Ebert From his review

 Later, The Bride produces a black mamba snake, and in a sublime touch, reads from a Web page that describes the snake's deadly powers.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on April 20, 2004, 04:38:29 PM
:lol:  Yeah, he does that ALL the time. I love the old bugger, but every second review I've ever read by him has a glaring wrong character error. Does he not have an editor?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Weak2ndAct on April 20, 2004, 04:55:18 PM
So last night I saw the movie again (from the Kimmel incident in my other thread) and must say I probably liked it even more than the first viewing.  How fucking hypnotic is Carradine making that sandwich?????

My new favorite line, courtesy of Larry Bishop:

"Do a line, baby.  Be somebody."   :lol:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Jake_82 on April 20, 2004, 06:42:29 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndAct
 How fucking hypnotic is Carradine making that sandwich?????


I know! I really wanted to eat it, but I couldn't.  :cry:

Also, about the Pussy Wagon being destroyed by Yuki, I heard that that sequence was used as one of the alternate sequences in the Japanese version.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: The Disco Kid on April 20, 2004, 07:06:04 PM
Just came back from seeing 2. To sum it up: Anticlimactic!  

First of all, when you take material so skimpy that it can barely fill a single movie in a satisfying way, and stretch it out across two full length films, well, your story starts to sag like an old man's sac on an August afternoon. But, if youre really going to insist on making your audience sit through one half-a-movie in November, then make them wait 6 months for the rest, you damned well better make it worth it. Tarantino didnt.

All this moronic praise being heaped on these movies by the critics really makes me want to vomit. I want my 20 bucks back.

Also, I must say that Daryl Hannah is holding up quite nicely.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on April 20, 2004, 08:44:18 PM
Quote from: Jake_82

Also, about the Pussy Wagon being destroyed by Yuki, I heard that that sequence was used as one of the alternate sequences in the Japanese version.


sequence was never even shot......and theres alternate scenes for the japanese in vol 2 as well??
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ghostboy on April 20, 2004, 09:16:29 PM
There's this indie filmmaking messageboard I drop by every now and then -- it's very useful for sharing technical information, but when people start discussing movies, it makes me immediately run for the cover of xixax. Witness this (serious) response:

"QT has gone and lost his mind I think. I also love old Samurai flicks, but when you say Samurai flick Akira Kurasawa comes to mind more than QT would. I hated "Pulp Fiction". I thought it was trashy and just down right stupid. I hav'nt seen all of his movies; "Pulp Fiction" was in fact the only one of Seen, but to someone like me ovies like that have absolutly no redeeming qualities and just waste my time. Go see "Hidalgo" or something worthwhile instead, People."
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on April 20, 2004, 09:43:06 PM
Quote from: The Disco Kid
well, your story starts to sag like an old man's sac on an August afternoon.


hahahahah.......
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on April 21, 2004, 09:06:07 AM
Quote from: Ghostboy
There's this indie filmmaking messageboard I drop by every now and then -- it's very useful for sharing technical information, but when people start discussing movies, it makes me immediately run for the cover of xixax. Witness this (serious) response:

"QT has gone and lost his mind I think. I also love old Samurai flicks, but when you say Samurai flick Akira Kurasawa comes to mind more than QT would. I hated "Pulp Fiction". I thought it was trashy and just down right stupid. I hav'nt seen all of his movies; "Pulp Fiction" was in fact the only one of Seen, but to someone like me ovies like that have absolutly no redeeming qualities and just waste my time. Go see "Hidalgo" or something worthwhile instead, People."


Yikes. Good thing the only thing "indie" filmmaker really signifies in this day and age is that you own a handicam of some sort. People like this don't deserve to be making movies.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on April 21, 2004, 11:09:52 AM
Tarantino to unleash 'the fused' KILL BILL: THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR at Cannes
Source: AICN

Harry here -- and if you're like me and seen KILL BILL VOL 2 four times already - this is fantastic news. So curious to see if that Bill vs Al Simmons fight gets put back in! Here ya go...


Hi Harry,  

I got the chance to attend the Kill Bill: Volume 2 press conference at the Conrad Hotel, London yesterday for Film-Reviews.Net . In attendance were Michael Madson, Darryl Hannah, David Carodine and Uma Thurman. It was cool seeing the actors, though David Carrodine seemed intent on telling us his life story.  After a Q and A session with the actors, they set up a live satalite link up with Quentin Tarantino. I was one of the lucky few that got to ask Quentin a question. I asked him whether he had plans to re-edit Kill Bill: Volume 1 and 2 back together. He went on to explain about the Japanese versions of both films that were released, which had all of the violent scenes in full colour (House of Blue Leaves etc). Quentin retained the distribution rights to both parts. He then revealed to me that he had already edited both volumes back together and would be premiering the complete film on the last day of the Cannes Film Festival this year! You heard it here first!  

Best regards,

Mark O'Connell
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on April 21, 2004, 02:05:21 PM
i assume this is the version we will get on dvd?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: picolas on April 21, 2004, 06:20:53 PM
Quote from: eward
i assume this is the version we will get on dvd?

yes. you do.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on April 21, 2004, 08:27:34 PM
you're right!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SHAFTR on April 22, 2004, 03:24:06 AM
So, after watching the film a 2nd time.  I have finally came to terms with how I felt about the film.  First off, I absolutely loved Volume 1.  By the end of Vol 2, I didn't have that same feeling I did after Vol 1.  This is why I gave it another go around.  My problem with Vol 2 is in regards to the 3rd act.  I thought the attempts at making Bill/Bride more emotional characters failed.  I look back at Leone's Man with No Name trilogy or Once Upon a Time in the West and those movies work.  With the genre, I am fine with having a 'cool' character with a huge emotional past not have that past talked about much.  It adds to the mystery of the character.  Vol 1 had this mystery.  The first 2 acts of Vol 2 did as well.  The final wrap off just seemed superficial, constrained and ultimately fake.  That being said, this film had great, great moments.  Pretty much everything until Act 3 (with the exception of the Wedding girls).  My last problem is with revealing the name, no need.  Either reveal it at the beginning or not at all; the reveal in this meant nothing.
Ultimately, I enjoyed the film overall.  The last act just left me very unsatisfied and I felt that it was the result of trying to make a vengeance film too emotional whereas the reason for seeking Vengeance sets the emotion at a desired level (no need for more).
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on April 22, 2004, 09:07:50 AM
Quote from: SHAFTR
 That being said, this film had great, great moments.  Pretty much everything until Act 3 (with the exception of the Wedding girls).


Yeah, what's up with that? Has anyone heard any explanation as to why QT made that bit with them (and the actresses themselves) so useless???



Also, Weak2nd, now that you reminded me of it (a page back), that strip-club cocaine line IS the best line in the movie. Hahaha, I kept saying it all day yesterday...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on April 22, 2004, 09:21:08 AM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Quote from: SHAFTR
 That being said, this film had great, great moments.  Pretty much everything until Act 3 (with the exception of the Wedding girls).


Yeah, what's up with that? Has anyone heard any explanation as to why QT made that bit with them (and the actresses themselves) so useless???

 :shock:

QT would rip your hearts out and step on them if he knew you were trashing his mythological act 3. That was probably the best of the entire movie.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on April 22, 2004, 09:33:54 AM
?

The wedding party girls were in the first act. Did you not find them totally annoying?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on April 22, 2004, 09:36:37 AM
Oh I thought you had a problem with act 3 AND the wedding girls. Sorry.

I thought the wedding girls served their purpose as it had to be established that this was all The Bride had. Just a few girlfriends and her lover.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 22, 2004, 09:42:02 AM
i was sad that there was no open trunk scene in this movie.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ©brad on April 22, 2004, 12:49:07 PM
um, okay, so i'm still waiting on reviews from

picolas
jeremy
pubrick
godardian
macg
mogs

hurry up bitches!

Quote from: El Duderino
i was sad that there was no open trunk scene in this movie.


u need help.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: soixante on April 22, 2004, 12:52:45 PM
Just saw KB2 yesterday.  A rough assemblage of thoughts:

-- When the Bride shows up at Bill's lair, why not just shoot him?  Why hang out and have a conversation with such an untrustworthy viper?  The last time she let down his guard around him, at her wedding rehearsal, chaos ensued.  Didn't she learn from this experience?  I realize it is hard to kill Bill in front of her daughter, but then again, this is a survival situation.  This last scene creates a nice bookend with the first confrontation in KB1 -- having a little kid interpose in a fight to the death.

-- When Bill blasts away at the Bride, why does the daughter remain in her room?  Is she deaf?  If I were a little kid, and I heard a shotgun blast, I would wonder what the fuck is going on.

-- Trimming the fat -- was the strip scene necessary?  We know Budd is down and out and needs money judging merely from his trailer.  Also -- why did the Bride need to visit the old Mexican guy?  In this sort of film, which is filled with a great deal of implausibility already, can't you just show the Bride showing up at Bill's place without going into the logistics?  We know the Bride's a resourceful gal, we can believe that she'll figure out where Bill is.

-- The hotel room shootout -- this is one of those hotels that only exist in the movies, in which people in adjacent rooms are deaf, and in which security doesn't investigate loud noises (I work in a hotel, so I can assure you that one shotgun blast would arouse the curiosity of security personnel, not to mention a 911 call and the quick arrival of a dozen police patrol cars).

OK, so much for my qualms.  Despite the aforementioned lapses in logic, I still loved KB2.  There is enough excellence in this film to make up for a number of flaws.  After all, True Romance had plot holes, but it was still great.

I am still sorting through how I feel about the overall epic.  It is broken into two volumes, and both volumes feature narratives that are told out of sequence.

But for now, both volumes get a 3 1/2 rating (out of 4).
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on April 22, 2004, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: soixante
-- Trimming the fat -- was the strip scene necessary?  We know Budd is down and out and needs money judging merely from his trailer.  Also -- why did the Bride need to visit the old Mexican guy?  In this sort of film, which is filled with a great deal of implausibility already, can't you just show the Bride showing up at Bill's place without going into the logistics?  We know the Bride's a resourceful gal, we can believe that she'll figure out where Bill is.


The Mexican Pimp, I agree on. A shite scene, not needed, probably just in there to pad time, DEFINITELY would have been cut out if this was presented as one film originally. Or at least should have been (cut out, that is).

The strip club scene, however, is imo QT's best work to date. Besides the wonderful off-color humor --  "are you working Thursday? No!" -- in a volume chock full of back-story, I thought this one was the most subtle and elegant. Well, maybe subtle's the wrong word, but it just played so perfectly. Lots of other scenes were like "oh, now I have a kid" or "well, I'll tell you why I did that", too much explanation for my taste. But when that over-the-hill stripper came out and said "Bud, the toilet overflowed again. There's shitty water on the floor", fuck, it was perfect. And Madsen's response was A1 timing. "Okay............. Rocket...". Even Chris Walken would be proud of that pause for effect.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: soixante on April 22, 2004, 01:14:23 PM
I enjoyed the strip club scene, as a scene.  I'm just questioning how necessary it was to the story.  Judging from Budd's living arrangements, I realize he is down and out, and I don't really need to see his shitty job.  As someone once said, you must kill your darlings.

This brings up an interesting issue -- QT has so much clout, even Harvey Scissorhands can't tell him to cut the fat out.  Also, in KB1 -- the scene in which Lucy Liu takes over the Tokyo underground -- that scene could be trimmed.  You could actually cut to her giving that speech that starts with "as your leader..." and then she holds up the severed head.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on April 22, 2004, 01:23:59 PM
I will continue to fight for the strip club scene:

reason being that we saw the little trailer he lived in, listening to his Johnny Cash records & drinking, in the middle of the desert. BUT, if that's all I saw, I would have assumed that he's just retired from killing, and now lives a quiet, happy, peaceful life. I mean, a nice, hot location, remote and serene -- that's not too bad a living condition in the grand scheme of things. But then to learn that he has to support himself by working this shitty job where he is looked down upon by a bunch of assholes who he could kill with his bare hands in the span of a minute... well, that shows me infinitely more depth on this character. And like I said before, WITHOUT actually having the character say "I'm down and out, and I hate my job" and so on and so on.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on April 22, 2004, 01:41:21 PM
To continue on with SoNowThen...

We are supposed to SYMPATHIZE with him. Elle Driver kills him, not The Bride. This is not an accident. It was QT's intentions for us to sympathize with Budd otherwise without that scene at the strip club, having a scene where Elle kills Budd with a black mamba would scene rather odd. To me, at least. That's my take on it...
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Post by: edison on April 22, 2004, 01:45:57 PM
Good point sonowthen, thats exactly what i was thinking, i like how he's getting chewed out at work when his boss has no idea that this is a former assassin, pretty funny actually, and i love that marking out the calender bit.
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Post by: soixante on April 22, 2004, 03:10:24 PM
You guys have made some good points.  Now that I think about it, if you see Budd lose his job, then we understand his need to make money.  We also see Budd interacting with "regular" folks -- which echoes with Bill's speech about Superman and Clark Kent.  So this is Budd as Clark Kent, a loser in th eyes of civilians, but really a Superman hiding his powers.  OK, now I get it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: soixante on April 22, 2004, 03:15:13 PM
Quote from: 50 Centiphile
To continue on with SoNowThen...

We are supposed to SYMPATHIZE with him. Elle Driver kills him, not The Bride. This is not an accident. It was QT's intentions for us to sympathize with Budd otherwise without that scene at the strip club, having a scene where Elle kills Budd with a black mamba would scene rather odd. To me, at least. That's my take on it...


I think you've hit the nail on the head.  We need to establish Budd's life for a while before we bring in Elle Driver.  

Also, I do love the asshole boss scene -- he reminds me of a lot of asshole bosses I've had.  It's also a good "little do they realize who they are fucking with" scene.
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Post by: SoNowThen on April 22, 2004, 03:33:00 PM
Quote from: soixante
You guys have made some good points.  Now that I think about it, if you see Budd lose his job, then we understand his need to make money.  We also see Budd interacting with "regular" folks -- which echoes with Bill's speech about Superman and Clark Kent.  So this is Budd as Clark Kent, a loser in th eyes of civilians, but really a Superman hiding his powers.  OK, now I get it.



That's the best way of articulating it that I can think of!!

 :yabbse-thumbup:

I didn't even think of the Superman-Kent thing in relation to this. Cool cool cool...
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Post by: cron on April 22, 2004, 03:45:27 PM
SPOILER

Talking about audiences, I think I've never had an experience at a theatre like the one I had today at the eyeball scene.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on April 22, 2004, 04:02:37 PM
am i the only one who liked the pimp scene?
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Post by: modage on April 22, 2004, 04:20:03 PM
Quote from: eward
am i the only one who liked the pimp scene?

no, i think everyone likes the pimp scene as a scene, but feels it doesnt neccesarily add much (except a few more minutes to the running time) to the film.  its extranneous.  actually, with as many times as you hear her say to someone "wheres bill?", i think he should've been much harder to track down and maybe had her trying to get info out of elle or whoever else along the way.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: soixante on April 22, 2004, 06:19:12 PM
More reflections after just one viewing:

The first confrontation of Vol. 1 and the final confrontation of Vol. 2 both feature innocent little girls, domestic settings and a conversation in the kitchen (with a cofee break in Vol. 1 and sandwiches served in Vol. 2).  Had this entire story been told chronologically, these scenes wouldn't serve as bookends.  Also, in Vol. 1, the Bride deprives one daughter of her mother, but in Vol. 2 a mother and dauther are reunited.

Also, a funny gag -- in the end credits, the gaffer gets his own title card.  It's about time gaffers got the recognition they deserve.

As with most QT films, repeated viewings will unearth more riches.
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Post by: eward on April 22, 2004, 08:29:27 PM
Quote from: soixante
Also, a funny gag -- in the end credits, the gaffer gets his own title card.  It's about time gaffers got the recognition they deserve.


really?  ive seen it twice and i dont remember




think tho - had the pimp scene not been there, we wouldnt have gotten that beautiful transition...

"But of course...How would he ever see you again?"

then a nice little dissolve.....i liked that much
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Post by: Banky on April 22, 2004, 10:22:38 PM
http://kill-bill.cz/game/index.php
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on April 22, 2004, 10:23:40 PM
it was only 15+ in Aus, so unlike Vol. 1, i had no trouble getting in.

***BIG SPOILERS***

2 things i didn't like:
- the name reveal
- the pai mei chapter was great, but i think QT should have taken it further and showed us how pai mei got to like the bride so much for him to teach her the 5 point palm tecnique.

apart from that, it was great. i loved it as much as vol. 1. my favourite scene was probably the burried alive scene. the black & white shot inside the coffin just made the situation seem so helpless, and when Uma went silent for that split second and listened to the faint sound of Budd's car driving off, shit, that was a really terrifying moment. then when we come back to the coffin after the Pai Mei chapter "L Arena" starts playing while she is trying to escape. really great scene.

i can see why some people called the final chapter anti-climatic, but i loved every second of it. "About Her" playing while the bride was watching TV with her daughter was brilliant. Then to the "anti-climatic" climax and the truth serum/Superman speech was amazing. the dialogue between Bill and the Bride right before Bill dies was so perfectly written and i thought it was very emotional.

one other thing that kind of dissapointed me (and i feel kind of wrong for being dissapointed) is that the Elle vs Bride fight wasn't as gross as i was expecting. It was really cool though how Elle kept trying to take the Hanzo sword out of its case but the trailer was just too fucking small. And i loved the way the fight ended. i was really satisfied at the fact that the Bride didn't need to finish her off.

ill be seeing it again today.
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Post by: eward on April 22, 2004, 10:37:25 PM
yeah i kinda wish the elle fight was longer too
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 22, 2004, 11:13:53 PM
The more I see of this film, and Vol. 1, the more I think it's a mess. It's a comglomeration of styles. The drama goes nowhere. It has plot holes as big as J. Lo's ass. The structure is arbitrary. It's thematically as heavy as clouds.

It's like QT threw in every cinematic gimmick he could think of, regardless of whether there was any DRAMATIC need for any of it. Growing up, style over substance was looked down upon. If this is great filmmaking, then up is down, black is white...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on April 22, 2004, 11:20:02 PM
Quote from: mutinyco
The drama goes nowhere.


well it certainly did something if 90% of us love it
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Post by: cine on April 23, 2004, 12:27:56 AM
Quote from: mutinyco
It has plot holes as big as J. Lo's ass.

How long have you been waiting to say that? Now be honest.
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Post by: ProgWRX on April 23, 2004, 12:28:13 AM
the Budd/Superman analogy is totally on the money IMO. All I could think of during the strip club scene was "Budd sure can show restraint..." basically we all know his abilities (Albeit by reputation) and here he is, getting shit on by some idiot...

I can only say that i think vol 2 is the perfect complement to vol 1...(although stylistically its obviously very different) and im definately dying to see this cut into 1 film...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 23, 2004, 12:38:12 AM
Quote from: 50 Centiphile
Quote from: mutinyco
It has plot holes as big as J. Lo's ass.

How long have you been waiting to say that? Now be honest.


Actually, I thought it up as I wrote it. Earlier I said they were as big as Texas. Didn't want to repeat myself.
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Post by: The Disco Kid on April 23, 2004, 12:20:49 PM
Yeah, I agree Mutinyco. This saga is ultimately void of any real substance. Tarantino is a guy who loves movies and tries to recreate his favorite moments from other films that he has seen, but in the end has absolutely nothing to say of his own. Well, maybe nothing except," Hey guys, aint I cool?".

I find the mass-fawning over Kill Bill very disturbing, because what is actually being praised is the death of originality and substance. This movie is visual Hip Hop...maybe even less than that.
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Post by: SoNowThen on April 23, 2004, 12:25:37 PM
Well, I didn't like 2, but definitely not for the same reasons as you guys. I was willing to embrace this film as style-as-substance (which I think is a perfectly valid way of filmmaking -- if plot/story can be narrative, why can't form alone be narrative?). My major problem was that it felt like QT got cold feet near the end and felt the need to have some sort of rational motivator with the whole mother-daughter thing. I don't mind getting expectations subverted, but ripping me off with no final big fight scene is going too far, imo.
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Post by: ono on April 23, 2004, 12:26:38 PM
The most depressing thing is, I agree with what The Disco Kid said, because it's true (well, only half-true for me so far).  One of the most original voices in cinema, one with the most potential, seems to have fizzled out and sold out, with only Pulp Fiction (and some elements of Jackie Brown) to show for it.  I still haven't seen Vol. 2 yet, but if 1 is any indication, this may continue.  I hope other original voices (like the Andersons) don't follow the same path, and I'm still hoping for the best of Vol. 2 when I finally do see it next weekend.
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Post by: analogzombie on April 23, 2004, 12:33:04 PM
I just don't see many of your points at all. Sure it wasn't the same type of movie as Vol 1, and I'll agree that the dialogue was the weakest Tarantino has ever been. But to say he has fizzled out with only Pulp Fiction to show for it.... I mean a bad Tarantino film is still a glorious movie compared to what else is out there. Even at his worst, so far, he is a great filmmaker. SOme of his choices may not always play out as well as possible, like any filmmaker, but most times they do. If Vol 2 suffered from anything it would be a hit or miss effect when involving the audience. Some of the dialogue and scenes were pushed so far for emotion that, to me, that went over the edge and drew me out of the film. And as far as the ending goes, problems there might have something to do with what Quentin said on Charlie Rose last night. He said that he didn't edit the final Bill and Bride confrontation sequence until he had already cut the rest fo the movie. his idea was that emotionally, he would know how to complete the scene based on the journey the rest of the film had led you on.
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Post by: ProgWRX on April 23, 2004, 12:36:28 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
My major problem was that it felt like QT got cold feet near the end and felt the need to have some sort of rational motivator with the whole mother-daughter thing. I don't mind getting expectations subverted, but ripping me off with no final big fight scene is going too far, imo.


to me, QT getting cold feet would've been doing a completely predictable huge epic fight between bill and beatrix... i found it REAL ballsy that the last showdown between this two was more of a mental/emotional "duel" rather than just another fight scene...
 :?
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Post by: SoNowThen on April 23, 2004, 12:41:22 PM
It would have been "ballsy" to cut to black and have the last ten minutes play out only as text on screen, but that wouldn't have made it good or satisfying in any way. QT's touch has always been to subvert genres and expectations, cook 'em up in one big pot, yet ALWAYS satisfy in the most surprising way. Which is why I said before that I was jealous of those for which it worked. For me it didn't.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ProgWRX on April 23, 2004, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
QT's touch has always been to subvert genres and expectations, cook 'em up in one big pot, yet ALWAYS satisfy in the most surprising way. Which is why I said before that I was jealous of those for which it worked. For me it didn't.


well i guess i understand your jelousy, because what i put in bold from your post is exactly the reason why i think he totally nailed it with the anti climactic ending rather than a huge epic battle... and i did leave more than satisfied specially in the sense that i felt i understood their relationship much better and even felt for bill in the end...  :?
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Post by: SoNowThen on April 23, 2004, 01:05:36 PM
An extremely interesting take on Kill Bill, copied from another message board:

"You're probably sick of hearing about KILL BILL by now, but I have a take on it that seems stunningly obvious to me, but that I haven't seen echoed in any of the reviews. Mainly that it's all a metaphor for what divorce does to a family.

"I understand Quentin was raised by his single parent mother, and though I don't know the details of his childhood, a lot of what it seemed he was saying in KB resonated with me, being a child of divorce myself.

"You have a family, in this case the DiVAS. Bill is the dad, of course, and in this case the Bride is the mom. Vernita Green, O'Ren Ishii, Budd, and Elle Driver each represent a different way that kids deal with divorce.

"The act of Bill killing the Bride is, in his own words, 'masochistic.' This wasn't an idle dialogue choice, rather it underscores the fact that Bill is doing this because he loves her, and because he's unable to handle it in some way.

"The Bride clearly loves Bill, even when she's sitting opposite him at that table just before their final confrontation, and one can sense genuine affection between them. They may have to kill each other, they may feel the need to destroy each other, but that not only doesn't mean they don't love each other; it stems from the fact that they love each other, and that the love is unhealthy.

"Bill is trying to kill the Bride who has fractured his family, and each of the kids is dealing with it in a different way. O'Ren Ishii is the classic overachiever, blocking out the trauma by throwing herself into her work. Vernita Green tries to recreate the idyllic family she's lost by starting over with her own husband and child. Budd blames everyone, most of all himself, and retreats into guilt and self-loathing. Elle Driver is the child who tries to gain favor with one parent by attacking the other.

"Maybe I'm just projecting, but for whatever reason, the movie really seemed to be more than just a 'mix tape' or a simple revenge flick. If you do see it again, perhaps this little angle will help you see it with fresh eyes, and enjoy the experience a little more." -- Joseph McDonald Houston, Texas.
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Post by: ProgWRX on April 23, 2004, 01:12:36 PM
definately an interesting take... i am fortunate enough to have both my parents still together, so i really didnt relate in that way, but this take is quite interesting...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on April 23, 2004, 04:02:38 PM
Quote from: analogzombie
I mean a bad Tarantino film is still a glorious movie compared to what else is out there. Even at his worst, so far, he is a great filmmaker.

You obviously never saw the episode of Jimmy Kimmel Live he directed.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Redlum on April 23, 2004, 06:59:08 PM
"The death of originality" - Thats about as over the top as the film's themselves. The film is an arena for coolness - enjoy it!
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Post by: The Disco Kid on April 23, 2004, 07:52:44 PM
Quote
"The death of originality" - Thats about as over the top as the film's themselves.


Yeah, I guess I sorta lost it there for a second. Hollywood is just overflowing with great, original movies. We're Living in another cinematic Golden Age---What the hell was I thinking?

Top ten movies in America:
1. Kill Bill Vol 2
2. The Punisher
3. Johnson Family Vacation
4. Hellboy
5. Home on the Range
6. Scooby Doo 2
7. Walking Tall
8. Elle Enchanted
9. The Alamo
10. The Passion of The Christ

Behold the Coolness!...ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz
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Post by: Tictacbk on April 23, 2004, 11:42:08 PM
ahhh breathe in the sarcasm....





just because we aren't living in a golden age of cinema doesn't mean originality is dead.  Tarantino made a movie he wanted to make with references to other movies that he liked and it was fucking cool.  Inhale the coolness and exhale the sarcasm.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on April 24, 2004, 05:56:17 AM
once again like in the eternal sunshine thread, can sumone (ono cos he's good at it) tell me what pages i should read in this piece of crap.

or tell me if this is the general consensus..

1. the first one was ok, nothing spectacular
2. the second one was better with the dialogue and cos uma used her face more than her body.
3. overall it was an empty experience, most of what made up the films were what is usually cut by the director who considers the AUDIENCE's reactions and not his own.

i mean, this isn't an introspective work, it's a piece of entertainment and it doesn't really succeed as that. so much is forgettable i dont' think i'll ever watch these things again. it didn't even hurt that modernage spoiled the whole thing in his avatar, what with uma reuniting with the girl and all that.. well it did a little cos that might have been the great redeeming (sentimental) factor. so whatever.

oh, good points.
-carradine's death
-uma's face (her attempt at expressing a character, not just her hotness)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cron on April 24, 2004, 05:59:49 AM
Quote from: Pubrick
once again like in the eternal sunshine thread, can sumone (ono cos he's good at it) tell me what pages i should read in this piece of crap.

or tell me if this is the general consensus..

1. the first one was ok, nothing spectacular
2. the second one was better with the dialogue and cos uma used her face more than her body.
3. overall it was an empty experience, most of what made up the films were what is usually cut by the director who considers the AUDIENCE's reactions and not his own.

i mean, this isn't an introspective work, it's a piece of entertainment and it doesn't really succeed as that. so much is forgettable i dont' think i'll ever watch these things again. it didn't even hurt that modernage spoiled the whole thing in his avatar, what with uma reuniting with the girl and all that.. well it did a little cos that might have been the great redeeming (sentimental) factor. so whatever.

oh, good points.
-carradine's death
-uma's face (her attempt at expressing a character, not just her hotness)



read SNT's post above, which has a transcript from another forum  and possibly the most interesting commentary i've heard on kill bill. it isn't necessarily intelligent, though.

ghostboy's review is on page 32, taz's is on 33. nix posted something cool at 29 and GT's is at 31.
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Post by: modage on April 24, 2004, 09:11:56 AM
mine's on 28.  and its long.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 24, 2004, 03:00:14 PM
Mine is throughout and I agree with Pubrick.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on April 24, 2004, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: Pubrick
once again like in the eternal sunshine thread, can sumone (ono cos he's good at it) tell me what pages i should read in this piece of crap.


mine is on page 28..and it will change your mind.....or prove to you that i'm an idiot... :lookatthis:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on April 24, 2004, 10:50:44 PM
The missing bits of KILL BILL VOL. 2
Article compares film to screenplay
Source: Screenwriter's Voice

An interesting comparison between the final cut of KILL BILL VOL. 2 and Quentin Tarantino's screenplay is now online at Screenwriter's Voice. As you may know, Tarantino originally wrote KILL BILL as one 200+ page screenplay and intended to release it as one single picture until Miramax requested that it be broken up into two separate films. Screenwriter's Voice examines the scenes in VOL. 2 and compares them to their corresponding segments of the screenplay to see what's changed along the development process. If you're curious to find out what Tarantino originally had in mind when The Bride and Bill have their climactic showdown, it's in here as well as an overview of a deleted scene featuring Bill at a high stakes card game.

"No single detail is enough to drastically change the second half of KILL BILL, but the combination, plus the decisions made in the editing room, have created a very different film than what appeared on the page," writes Dayna Van Buskirk in his script comparison article. "The pace is much slower, the scenes don't flow they way they once did. It's equally interesting and frustrating how a script once meant to be one single film can go through enough changes to become two films that are so very different."

http://screenwriting.ugo.com/articles/killbill2_scripttofilm.php
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Post by: mutinyco on April 24, 2004, 11:02:43 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
you may know, Tarantino originally wrote KILL BILL as one 200+ page screenplay


No wonder...  :?
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Post by: coffeebeetle on April 25, 2004, 08:38:39 AM
Quote from: ProgWRX
Quote from: SoNowThen
My major problem was that it felt like QT got cold feet near the end and felt the need to have some sort of rational motivator with the whole mother-daughter thing. I don't mind getting expectations subverted, but ripping me off with no final big fight scene is going too far, imo.


to me, QT getting cold feet would've been doing a completely predictable huge epic fight between bill and beatrix... i found it REAL ballsy that the last showdown between this two was more of a mental/emotional "duel" rather than just another fight scene...
 :?


I'm sooo right there with you, Prog/  And unlike Vol. 1, The Bride was a much-more rounded out character and not just a "cardboard" killing machine.  I thought the ending was brilliant.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 25, 2004, 09:12:28 AM
Quote from: coffeebeetle
Quote from: ProgWRX
Quote from: SoNowThen
My major problem was that it felt like QT got cold feet near the end and felt the need to have some sort of rational motivator with the whole mother-daughter thing. I don't mind getting expectations subverted, but ripping me off with no final big fight scene is going too far, imo.


to me, QT getting cold feet would've been doing a completely predictable huge epic fight between bill and beatrix... i found it REAL ballsy that the last showdown between this two was more of a mental/emotional "duel" rather than just another fight scene...
 :?


I'm sooo right there with you, Prog/  And unlike Vol. 1, The Bride was a much-more rounded out character and not just a "cardboard" killing machine.  I thought the ending was brilliant.


Yeah, me too. That makes much sense.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Finn on April 25, 2004, 10:01:16 AM
there's much to admire throughout the whole film
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 25, 2004, 10:26:12 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
"No single detail is enough to drastically change the second half of KILL BILL, but the combination, plus the decisions made in the editing room, have created a very different film than what appeared on the page," writes Dayna Van Buskirk in his script comparison article. "The pace is much slower, the scenes don't flow they way they once did. It's equally interesting and frustrating how a script once meant to be one single film can go through enough changes to become two films that are so very different."

http://screenwriting.ugo.com/articles/killbill2_scripttofilm.php

wow, that sounds like a much different and hugely more satisfying film.  how disappointing.  pretty much all my complaints with it werent there to begin with as part two seemed to be closer to part one in the script.  what the hell was he thinking?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on April 25, 2004, 11:10:06 AM
Part of me thinks that he was pissed off by the criticism heaped on Part 1 "all style, too much violence, not enough dialogue, blah blah blah", so he felt the need to really hammer home the character dev and dialogue this time. But I hope I'm wrong. Maybe he didn't even shoot any of that last fight...
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Post by: soixante on April 25, 2004, 11:22:27 AM
Just as the ghost of Elvis appeared in True Romance, the ghost of Bruce Lee should have appeared in Kill Bill at appropriate moments to provide inspiration for the Bride.
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Post by: coffeebeetle on April 25, 2004, 11:27:29 AM
I don't think so; Presley was an inextricable element of Slater's character.  If there had to be a "ghost" with the Bride, it should be Pei Lei (sp?). IMHO, of course.  :)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 25, 2004, 03:02:27 PM
It got its balls kicked in this weekend. Had nearly a 65% drop from last week.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on April 25, 2004, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Maybe he didn't even shoot any of that last fight...


the fight in the script is basically her blocking a few of his blows like pai mei, then the whole sheath thing happens (as in the film) and everything else is the same, only in the film, there is added dialogue and it doesn't take place on a beach as it does in the script.

if you ask me, it's not all that better....it was still a short fight and if it had been this one instead of the one we got, people would still complain about it.
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Post by: brockly on April 25, 2004, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: mutinyco
It got its balls kicked in this weekend.

how is that? it remains in the top 5 below only 2 new releases. i hardly call that getting its balls kicked in. alot better than i was expecting, considering Vol. 1 dropped down to #7 in its 2nd week.


I have seen Vol. 2 three times now, and i like it even more than i did the first time i saw it. it will definatly be at the top of my list at the end of the year. so far, everyone i've seen it with has agreed that it is a better film than the fist one (except one friend who called it boring and said it didn't have enough action, but that immediatly makes his opinion bullshit). If you consider both volumes as seperate films, i guess i would also agree that Vol. 2 is definatly better than Vol. 1. as a whole, it easily stacks up to Tarantino's other films (except RD, which is shit). It may even be his best.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on April 25, 2004, 09:32:15 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers
(except RD, which is shit).


:bs:  ..reservoir dogs is not excrement..its great....

but i can go sherlock homes on dat ass and find the reason why you didn't like resevoir dogs by analyzing your post..




Quote from: Brock Landers
I have seen Vol. 2 three times now, and i like it even more than i did the first time i saw it. it will definatly be at the top of my list at the end of the year. so far, everyone i've seen it with has agreed that it is a better film than the fist one (except one friend who called it boring and said it didn't have enough action, but that immediatly makes his opinion bullshit). If you consider both volumes as seperate films, i guess i would also agree that Vol. 2 is definatly better than Vol. 1. as a whole, it easily stacks up to Tarantino's other films (except RD, which is shit). It may even be his best.


ha!    it seems that you and your friend have the same critiqing skills.....
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Post by: modage on April 25, 2004, 09:37:15 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Part of me thinks that he was pissed off by the criticism heaped on Part 1 "all style, too much violence, not enough dialogue, blah blah blah", so he felt the need to really hammer home the character dev and dialogue this time. But I hope I'm wrong. Maybe he didn't even shoot any of that last fight...

yeah thats a good point.  i hope thats not the case either, (although if it WERE the case) maybe in some future release or on the deleted scenes a better contstruction of the movie can be made.  i think thats probably right, because he felt like there was SO MUCH action in one he could tone down/lose a lot of it in two, but i think that was a big mistake.  he needed those extra little bits in the budd/elle/bill moments to really make this movie better.
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Post by: brockly on April 25, 2004, 09:51:36 PM
Quote from: NEON MERCURY

:bs:  ..reservoir dogs is not excrement..its great....

but i can go sherlock homes on dat ass and find the reason why you didn't like resevoir dogs by analyzing your post..


what does excrement mean?

i like RD. when i said it was shit, i ment compared to his other films.

Quote from: NEON MERCURY
ha!    it seems that you and your friend have the same critiqing skills.....


what you mean by this? are you suggesting that the reason i said RD was shit is because i think its boring? or do you think it was wrong of me to have immediately dismissed my friend’s opinion because of the fact he nearly fell asleep during it?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 25, 2004, 09:53:28 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers
what does excrement mean?

excrement=shit
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 25, 2004, 10:36:25 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers
how is that? it remains in the top 5 below only 2 new releases. i hardly call that getting its balls kicked in.


You obviously have no knowledge of box office trends. Its $25 million opening was all hype. Anytime a movie plummets as much as this one has in its second week means it won't have legs. The people who wanted to see it have seen it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 25, 2004, 10:45:58 PM
i think the studio was aware of that though.  a QT movie (and especially one as weird as this) is not exactly mainstream fare.  and the studio knows that it wont play with middle america, so they find other creative ways to cover their asses.  like, splitting one movie into two, and putting out 6 different dvds.  if they can take that small core audience and shake out a hundred dollars each, then they can still turn a big profit!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on April 25, 2004, 10:49:52 PM
uh huh, but like i said, how is it the film got its balls kicked in if the two films that are above it made less in their opening weekend than Vol. 2 did last weekend?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 25, 2004, 10:50:01 PM
That's not Middle America. It's simply maximizing profit from minimal content.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 25, 2004, 10:52:11 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers
uh huh, but like i said, how is it the film got its balls kicked in if the two films that are above it made less in their opening weekend than Vol. 2 did last weekend?


You're arguing something you don't understand. There wasn't as much hype. Kill Bill was all hype. The DVD came out the same week. The real question is how a movie holds up. I don't know how either new release will hold up. But a 60% drop for Kill Bill means a fast exit.

Secondly, you've answered your own question. 2 movies opened with less than Kill Bill in its first week, but more than KB in its second. That means its a plunge.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on April 25, 2004, 10:58:48 PM
Ok, it didn't kick ass at the box office this week. Thats more accurate.

Sorry Pubrick
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on April 25, 2004, 11:15:29 PM
i havn't said anything.  :yabbse-huh:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 25, 2004, 11:18:18 PM
Quote from: Pubrick
i havn't said anything.  :yabbse-huh:


That's respect, huh?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: picolas on April 25, 2004, 11:19:46 PM
Quote from: mutinyco
That's respect, huh?

i don't get it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 25, 2004, 11:20:57 PM
He's apologizing to somebody who didn't even say anything.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: picolas on April 25, 2004, 11:21:59 PM
ah.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on April 25, 2004, 11:23:40 PM
Quote from: mutinyco
Quote from: Pubrick
i havn't said anything.  :yabbse-huh:


That's respect, huh?


the reason i said that was actually because i do respect P and agree with him that bullshit discussions like this ruin a thread

Quote from: Pubrick
once again like in the eternal sunshine thread, can sumone (ono cos he's good at it) tell me what pages i should read in this piece of crap.

:yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 25, 2004, 11:26:05 PM
No, just posts like that one. Crudeness in place of a POV.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: bonanzataz on April 25, 2004, 11:43:01 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers
Quote from: mutinyco
Quote from: Pubrick
i havn't said anything.  :yabbse-huh:


That's respect, huh?


the reason i said that was actually because i do respect P and agree with him that bullshit discussions like this ruin a thread



gentlemen, you can relax. i don't think will be possible to kill this thread for at least the next 2 weeks.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Find Your Magali on April 26, 2004, 01:12:08 AM
Wow. ... OK, I finally saw Volume 1 on DVD this afternoon and then went to see Volume 2 tonight. ... Pretty overwhelming sensory experience. I'm mostly just struck by the absolute love that QT has for movies and the moviemaking experience. That love might pour through in these two movies moreso than any other film ever made.

Lots of more thoughts over the next couple days, as I reflect. Now I have to sleep.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: mutinyco on April 26, 2004, 07:43:02 AM
He was so in love with movies he forgot to make one of his own.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on April 26, 2004, 07:45:00 AM
I know it's all opinion, but no, he didn't.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on April 26, 2004, 09:25:12 PM
Another Japanese International Trailer in media player format (http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/IJKLM/Kill-Bill-Vol2/trailer-page.html)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: bonanzataz on April 26, 2004, 09:55:36 PM
ok... WHAT?!


(http://www.geocities.com/bonanzataz/kb1.txt)
(http://www.geocities.com/bonanzataz/kb2.txt)

somebody please explain.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on April 26, 2004, 10:18:30 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz
somebody please explain.


Quote from: MacGuffin
BILL SPEAKS: David Carradine Talks KILL BILL: VOL. 2
Source: RopeofSilicon

RopeofSilicon: Tell me about the scenes that were deleted where you fought Michael Jai White and his henchmen, and if they were even shot.
 
David: Yeah it was shot. There was a scene in the picture with Michael Jai White and a bunch of henchmen that was supposed to happen in a poker game, and then Quentin wrote another scene that he thought superceded that and he didn't think that he could have both scenes. So he basically cut it out of the picture before we shot it, but he loved the fight that he'd been working on for a couple of months and he really wanted Michael Jai White in the picture. So he invited him to Beijing just to do the fight and Michael said yes he would, so he wrote a new scene, but the thing is, he didn't want to let go of this moment, but it didn't really belong in the picture, at least that's what Quentin thought, but it'll be in the DVD.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: bonanzataz on April 26, 2004, 10:20:37 PM
spanks.

by the way, michael jai white was the shit. what happened to him? after he made ringmaster and spawn i thought he was the coolest... and then he just kind of left.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Mesh on April 29, 2004, 02:48:40 PM
Quote from: SHAFTR
My last problem is with revealing the name, no need.  Either reveal it at the beginning or not at all; the reveal in this meant nothing.


Perhaps has been covered in this thread but "Beatrix" means: "person who brings happiness."

Nice because The Bride was going for a happy, calm life with a husband and a child, trying to escape her killer's life—trying to bring herself happiness.  The film's plot, though, is her 2nd attempt to "bring happiness" to herself and her (in her mind) dead daughter.  She also bring some measure of happiness to Bill, who, having dragged Beatrix out of a happy life, also seems satisfied with his fate at the end.  "You look ready," she tells him, just before he dies.

Then, the last name: Kiddo.  So reading her name literally, one might arrive at "One who brings happiness to her kiddo."   8)

Quote
-- When Bill blasts away at the Bride, why does the daughter remain in her room? Is she deaf? If I were a little kid, and I heard a shotgun blast, I would wonder what the fuck is going on.


Sure, but you haven't lived with Bill for the 1st 4 years of your life.

Quote from: Brock Landers
Then to the "anti-climatic" climax and the truth serum/Superman speech was amazing.


The truth serum bit was KBV2's 2nd instance of "Injecting Uma Thurman."  Starts in Pulp Fiction with the adrenalin to the heart, continues in KBV1 when the mosquito bites her comatose body and wakes her up (a mirror image of Mia Wallace's wake up shot, really), continues again when Budd puts her down with the tranq to the butt.  Love stuff like that.

Tangent:  When Elle was thrasing around eyeless in the bathroom, was anyone else reminded of Blade Runner's Pris death scene?  I was.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on April 29, 2004, 07:15:35 PM
Buena Vista Home Entertainment has just released their Region 2 release schedule. Titles of note include Kill Bill Volume 2 (October 11th)...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: pete on May 02, 2004, 01:29:42 AM
for anyone who cares...I was just reading an article, by some historians on the history of shaolin temple and whatnot.  and in the article it traces the character Pei Mei all the way from a novel titled "Dieffenbachia" (that's the latin name for the plant--I dunno what it is in plain English, but in Chinese it literally means "10,000 years of green") in the late 1800s.  The novel had certain flavors of propaganda in there--where a bunch of shaolin monks (traditionally portrayed as good guys) were beating people up with their kungfu, then Pei Mei (literally "white eyebrow") steps in, kills them all, and then leads the army to slaughter the rest of the shaolin monks.  But then when kungfu movies made it big, the Shaolin monks are the good guys again, so Pei Mei, originally the Taoist do-gooder, is now evil.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on May 03, 2004, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
Buena Vista Home Entertainment has just released their Region 2 release schedule. Titles of note include Kill Bill Volume 2 (October 11th)...


Official release date for the R4 DVD is 22 Sept. Probably the same deal for the R1 DVD (judging by the Vol. 1 release trend), or maybe the R1 will come out 1 or 2 weeks earlier.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SHAFTR on May 03, 2004, 10:06:25 PM
I've thought more about Vol 2 and I really think it's Tarantino's worst work.  It's still good but I think it all unravelled in the last act.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Mesh on May 04, 2004, 04:47:50 PM
Quote from: SHAFTR
....it's Tarantino's worst work....


Fair enough, but that's not saying much.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 04, 2004, 05:53:55 PM
I think Kill Bill Deux kicks anus (but Kill Bill is only one film anyway)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on May 04, 2004, 06:07:42 PM
agreed
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on May 09, 2004, 12:33:29 AM
okay i saw this for a third time today (twice on opening day, a few weeks to reflect, again today for final analysis).  the movie has problems.  most of mine lie in the final chapter with bill.  this film (vol. 2) is filled with scenes and dialogue that are sort of cool or funny or whatever as standalone scenes/speeches whatever, but dont belong in the film.  almost everything inside the wedding chapel, scene in budds boss's office, esteban and the whores, bills superman and fish speeches, and the pregnancy test scene.  all of which are cool scenes, but none of which should probably have been in the final film.  his editor needed to be on him alittle more about that.  i had a good time until the last chapter when things really didnt seem to ring truthfully (even in such a pretend world) to me between Bill and the Bride.  even with his intentions to turn your sympathies around, he could've done it in more dramatic/believable way that would've played better than this does.  i mean, c'mon 'showdown at the kitchen table'?  please, THIS is what we've been waiting 6 months for?  i like this movie, but i wish it were better.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on May 09, 2004, 02:54:28 AM
Are you seeing it a fourth time to rip it apart some more or have you got it all out of your system now?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on May 09, 2004, 02:58:24 AM
Quote from: themodernage02
i mean, c'mon 'showdown at the kitchen table'?  please, THIS is what we've been waiting 6 months for?


 :(
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on May 09, 2004, 03:05:57 AM
Quote from: themodernage02
bills superman and fish speeches


those were fantastic and how did the superman speech not fit in with the movie?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: LostEraser on May 09, 2004, 05:57:51 AM
Quote from: SHAFTR
I've thought more about Vol 2 and I really think it's Tarantino's worst work.  It's still good but I think it all unravelled in the last act.


I actually think this is Tarantino's BEST work! And the last act of the film is my favorite part of it. I've only read parts of this thread since it's so long so I'm not sure how much has been covered here. But I love how Tarantino didn't even try to top all the action that was in Vol 1. I actually wasn't too fond of Vol 1. I liked the style a lot but I just couldn't connect with it. There were too many action and fight scenes and I couldn't connect with the characters or their motivations. But in Vol 2 the characters and their motivations come into full view. And instead of more fight scenes the characters have a showdown with dialogue. And I think it's brilliant. I loved the superman and fish monologues. Some of Tarantino's best writing. And I felt very connected to both Beatrix AND Bill. In fact, more than I have with any other Tarantino character. Yes, I thought the film was that good. Every scene in it is perfect in my eyes. And there are a few scenes it that are some of my personal favorites of all time (the final shwodown between Bill and Beatrix, Beatrix escaping from being buried alive). I loved this film!

Ok, I guess that's all I can think of for now. Maybe I'll post some more ravings for this film later. Maybe after I read the whole thread. lol!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Finn on May 09, 2004, 02:27:45 PM
I think it's probably his best film since Pulp Fiction as far as his screenplay was concerned.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 09, 2004, 04:01:23 PM
Quote from: Quoyle
I think it's probably his best film since Pulp Fiction as far as his screenplay was concerned.


Like he's made so many movies after Pulp Fiction  :wink:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on May 09, 2004, 05:38:11 PM
i think we should all thank quentin for giving us, with both volumes together, one of the most unique experiences in cinema history.  not saying best, not saying coolest, and i side with ghostboy and his review here - but there has never been a film quite like this one.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 09, 2004, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: eward
i think we should all thank quentin for giving us, with both volumes together, one of the most unique experiences in cinema history.  not saying best, not saying coolest, and i side with ghostboy and his review here - but there has never been a film quite like this one.


I agree with the punchline, although I think it has some of the coolest things I've ever seen. Quentin is kind of a movie-jockey and he pushed it to the limit here. It could have tanked, but he knows what he does. And I seriously think that his egomaniac personality really worked well for this movie.

I hate to use these words, but I think Quentin is a genious and one of the greatest filmmakers of all time. I can understand those who might disagree, but I'm staying true to my convictions. He and the way he saved his "written and directed by" credits to the end of his films, made me really think for the first time in my life that someone wrote and directed and shot the movies that I grew up seeing. I owe it to him.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on May 09, 2004, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: El Duderino
Quote from: themodernage02
bills superman and fish speeches


those were fantastic and how did the superman speech not fit in with the movie?

yeah they were great monologues, but after 3 hours and some change of waiting for uma to get to bills place to have to see her sitting there listening to these long things is awkward and not believable for her character.  perhaps had she been more greatly incapacitated, or maybe if bill had been further incapacitated, like if she had the upper hand she'd let him tell his story before she killed him.  i dont know, it just really bugs me.  it doesnt seem true to her character.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on May 09, 2004, 10:54:55 PM
i see where you're coming from and i respect your opinion, but i just dont agree with you on it.

*SPOILERS*

bill kind of explains that her life in El Paso would have been shit. like when he says "You would've worn the costume of Arlene Plimpton, but you were born Beatrix Kiddo" i dunno, i just thought that monolouge kinda made the movie for me.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on May 09, 2004, 11:12:46 PM
yes that and fish speech really illustrate interesting points from the film, but the staging of those scenes was bad.  as they were shot, i dont think they belong.  had he found a way for it to be more believable to have her sit there and listen to all of that other than the dart in the leg they would've been fine.  i think he was so in love with these scenes he wanted to squeeze them in regardless of whether or not they actually fit and/or worked in the context of the film.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: LostEraser on May 10, 2004, 03:27:24 AM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal
I think it has some of the coolest things I've ever seen. Quentin is kind of a movie-jockey and he pushed it to the limit here. It could have tanked, but he knows what he does. And I seriously think that his egomaniac personality really worked well for this movie.

I hate to use these words, but I think Quentin is a genious and one of the greatest filmmakers of all time. I can understand those who might disagree, but I'm staying true to my convictions. He and the way he saved his "written and directed by" credits to the end of his films, made me really think for the first time in my life that someone wrote and directed and shot the movies that I grew up seeing. I owe it to him.


I agree! I think Quentin is the ultimate film geek. Ever! Even more so than Godard. Godard seemed to have political or philosophical reasons for using his movie references. But Quentins reason for using references to other movies is simply an obsessive love for them, and I think that is much more geniune. He may not be one of my favorite filmmakers (yet) but after Kill Bill 2 he is now one of my all time heros. Just for haveing the most passionate and honest love for movies I have ever seen. I think it's very inspiring.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 10, 2004, 05:46:18 AM
Quote from: LostEraser
I think it's very inspiring.


That's the main thing about him (that, and also the fact that he makes kick-ass movies)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on May 10, 2004, 08:15:17 AM
it seems that the ppl who love Kill Bill (volume two especially) are too eager to love it cos of QT. modernage i think has presented the most realistic review of the film, cos like anyone who has actually thought about the movie without automatically deciding to love it, he can admit that there are plenty of gaping flaws. flaws which no one would accept in any other situation.

i hope that none of these blind QT lovers ever criticize a movie for the same things they overlooked on volume two. i think all these overhyped events (like Revolutions) say more about the reviewers than the films, in this case and in recent times it has revealed that ppl are just that needy for a new mythology. everyone is so desperate for a film to actually live up to the hype they will ignore the most blatant flaws.

i think Find Your Magali said sumthing like this once, about the death of hyped-things that actually pay off.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: coffeebeetle on May 10, 2004, 09:14:13 AM
Quote from: Pubrick
it seems that the ppl who love Kill Bill (volume two especially) are too eager to love it cos of QT. modernage i think has presented the most realistic review of the film, cos like anyone who has actually thought about the movie without automatically deciding to love it, he can admit that there are plenty of gaping flaws. flaws which no one would accept in any other situation.

i hope that none of these blind QT lovers ever criticize a movie for the same things they overlooked on volume two. i think all these overhyped events (like Revolutions) say more about the reviewers than the films, in this case and in recent times it has revealed that ppl are just that needy for a new mythology. everyone is so desperate for a film to actually live up to the hype they will ignore the most blatant flaws.

i think Find Your Magali said sumthing like this once, about the death of hyped-things that actually pay off.


I'll admit that Vol. 2 had flaws, but so did Vol. 1 (i.e. paper thin characters in both to begin with, though a little less in Vol. 2) but I loved them both.

Let's just keep in mind that this kind of genre isn't going to produce a hands-down spectacular movie and Quentin's movies are only as strong as that which he steals from...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: bonanzataz on May 10, 2004, 11:31:31 AM
you're totally right, guys. i've never actually liked a movie in my life. the only reason i watch movies and say i like them is because everybody else does so. FUCK MOVIES!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Mesh on May 10, 2004, 04:47:59 PM
Quote from: coffeebeetle
I'll admit that Vol. 2 had flaws....


After Uma punches her way out of the coffin, bloodying her knuckles, she walks across the street to the diner.  She sits down and places her dirty hands on the counter....BUT THERE IS NO BLOOD!  At least not that I saw.

Great, entertaining, unique film, but, yeah, it has flaws.  Big deal.

PS - Wouldn't you all have flipped out if, like Barry Egan's "LOVE" knuckles, Uma's had read:  "BILL"?  That would've killed me.  Oh well.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on May 10, 2004, 05:07:13 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
Quote from: El Duderino
Quote from: themodernage02
bills superman and fish speeches


those were fantastic and how did the superman speech not fit in with the movie?

yeah they were great monologues, but after 3 hours and some change of waiting for uma to get to bills place to have to see her sitting there listening to these long things is awkward and not believable for her character.  perhaps had she been more greatly incapacitated, or maybe if bill had been further incapacitated, like if she had the upper hand she'd let him tell his story before she killed him.  i dont know, it just really bugs me.  it doesnt seem true to her character.


yeah i'll agree with this, that's initially how i felt.  but i ignored it simply because of what a small point it is in the grand scheme of things and because of how well most of this film works.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: LostEraser on May 10, 2004, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: Pubrick
it seems that the ppl who love Kill Bill (volume two especially) are too eager to love it cos of QT. modernage i think has presented the most realistic review of the film, cos like anyone who has actually thought about the movie without automatically deciding to love it, he can admit that there are plenty of gaping flaws. flaws which no one would accept in any other situation.

i hope that none of these blind QT lovers ever criticize a movie for the same things they overlooked on volume two. i think all these overhyped events (like Revolutions) say more about the reviewers than the films, in this case and in recent times it has revealed that ppl are just that needy for a new mythology. everyone is so desperate for a film to actually live up to the hype they will ignore the most blatant flaws.

i think Find Your Magali said sumthing like this once, about the death of hyped-things that actually pay off.


Actually, I've never been that ecstatic over Tarantino UNTIL Vol 2. I was one of those people saying Pulp Fiction was way over rated. But as time went on I came to apreciate him as a cool film geek and really started to dig his style even though none of his films ever affected me that much. Vol 2 is his first film that has truly affected me. And it's only now that I'm becoming a major Tarantino lover. I've always loved his style but I never thought any of his films were masterpices and never thought any of his characters had as much depth as all his fans seemed to say so. Until Vol 2. I think that Vol 2 is the closest thing to a flawless film he has made so far. The characters of Bride and Bill are his best written characters ever in my opinion.

If Vol 2 was a dissapointment i'd be the first to admit it (much like I did with Vol 1) because I've never been one of those Tarantino worshipers. Or even that big of a fan. I'm always the first to admit when a film is gettting over praised just becuase of who made it. And I could care less about getting any kind of "new mythology" from movies (I never really looked to movie for that kind of thing in the first place). But I thought that Volume 2 was a masterpiece made the ultimate film geek who has not only mastered the craft of expressing his love of movies by making movies himself, but also mastered the over all craft of filmmaking.

....dude, I'm so gonna get it for that last comment. lol. Oh well, bring it on. I loved this movie!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on May 10, 2004, 11:01:35 PM
Quote from: Mesh
After Uma punches her way out of the coffin, bloodying her knuckles, she walks across the street to the diner.  She sits down and places her dirty hands on the counter....BUT THERE IS NO BLOOD!  At least not that I saw.

those weren't the kind of flaws i was talking about.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 11, 2004, 07:43:40 AM
Quote from: Pubrick
it seems that the ppl who love Kill Bill (volume two especially) are too eager to love it cos of QT. modernage i think has presented the most realistic review of the film, cos like anyone who has actually thought about the movie without automatically deciding to love it, he can admit that there are plenty of gaping flaws. flaws which no one would accept in any other situation.

i hope that none of these blind QT lovers ever criticize a movie for the same things they overlooked on volume two. i think all these overhyped events (like Revolutions) say more about the reviewers than the films, in this case and in recent times it has revealed that ppl are just that needy for a new mythology. everyone is so desperate for a film to actually live up to the hype they will ignore the most blatant flaws.

i think Find Your Magali said sumthing like this once, about the death of hyped-things that actually pay off.


Or maybe, some of us really like the movie. Maybe some of us think that there are scenes that will stick with us for a long time. Some of us just love how the movie ends, how Bill takes his last 5 steps. Maybe we love the first scene at the wedding rehersal. Some of us may have liked the Pai Mei scenes.... You know, one of the criticisms I really hate is when people say we love a movie because of its director, even if it sucks. I'm not one of those. Woody Allen is one of my favourite directors and I'm the first one to tell you that some of his movies are not good at all. When a movie is not that good, it's not that good, when it's bad, it's bad, but to me, Kill Bill kicks ass. I love it and I'll buy it and I'll see it many times. Actually, I'm seeing it again tomorrow at the theater.
Oh,and one more thing, a friend of mine who's far from beeing amovie expert and who'd never seen a QT film before, told me he enjoyed Kill Bill, and Volume 2 especially.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on May 11, 2004, 09:11:12 AM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal
Kill Bill kicks ass. I love it and I'll buy it and I'll see it many times.

Dont you mean... "You love it and you'll SEE it and you'll BUY it many times?"
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on May 11, 2004, 09:16:26 AM
hey whatever, i dont' care enuff about this crap to continue or instigate any sort of debate.

the biggest compliment i can give it is, at least it was better than Revolutions.

i believe a good movie is NOT just a matter of personal opinion. this may be where we differ.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on May 11, 2004, 09:26:51 AM
Quote from: Pubrick
i believe a good movie is NOT just a matter of personal opinion.


Yes.

I wish I could explain how much I agree in more detail, but I can't. Not yet, anyhow.

But anyway, this is a big, fat, 100% agreeance. You wouldn't believe how bad this statement offends most people.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 11, 2004, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: themodernage02
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal
Kill Bill kicks ass. I love it and I'll buy it and I'll see it many times.

Dont you mean... "You love it and you'll SEE it and you'll BUY it many times?"


No no no. I only care about the movie and won't buy anything more than once. Studios can stick the special edition DVDs with lots of new extra stuff up their asses.

And Pubrick, I'd like you to comment more that whole "a good movie is not just a matter of personal opinion" thing, because I do really believe that's bullshit. I'm not trying to attack you as I despise tese Message Board fights between users just because people don't respect each other's opinions. I just don't agree with that at all, since to me, a good movie depends on if I like it or not and I'd like you to really show me your point of view on this with more detail.

EDIT: That also is directed to SoNowThen  :wink:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Sleuth on May 11, 2004, 12:00:03 PM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal
Quote from: themodernage02
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal
Kill Bill kicks ass. I love it and I'll buy it and I'll see it many times.

Dont you mean... "You love it and you'll SEE it and you'll BUY it many times?"


No no no. I only care about the movie and won't buy anything more than once. Studios can stick the special edition DVDs with lots of new extra stuff up their asses.

And Pubrick, I'd like you to comment more that whole "a good movie is not just a matter of personal opinion" thing, because I do really believe that's bullshit. I'm not trying to attack you as I despise tese Message Board fights between users just because people don't respect each other's opinions. I just don't agree with that at all, since to me, a good movie depends on if I like it or not and I'd like you to really show me your point of view on this with more detail.

EDIT: That also is directed to SoNowThen  :wink:


that's really interesting because I think I think I agree with P on that, which means he's going to have a hard time trying to convince me that Vol2 wasn't good.  Like for instance, Resident Evil is a shitty movie.  It's VERY bad.  But I like it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on May 11, 2004, 12:30:31 PM
Yeah, a new thread should be started for this.

But yeah, what Sleuth said...



For instance: I hate Fargo, but I know it's a good movie. I love Island Of Dr Moreau, but know it's a bad movie.

How's that for a jumping point?

And I know everyone will want to ask "so what makes a movie good or bad?" And to that, I say...

P will take it from here.

 :-D

Seriously though, is that sorta where you were coming from too, P?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 11, 2004, 01:06:31 PM
Yeah, we should start a thread about this, but 'till someone does so, I have to ask something I don't understand at all... why do you say that Fargo's good if you hate it? Just because most of us say it's great?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SHAFTR on May 11, 2004, 01:10:07 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Yeah, a new thread should be started for this.

But yeah, what Sleuth said...



For instance: I hate Fargo, but I know it's a good movie. I love Island Of Dr Moreau, but know it's a bad movie.

How's that for a jumping point?

And I know everyone will want to ask "so what makes a movie good or bad?" And to that, I say...

P will take it from here.

 :-D

Seriously though, is that sorta where you were coming from too, P?


I think maybe P's statement might be that you can see why a movie may great but not like it.  I can understand why people think Blue Velvet is a great film, but I hate it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on May 11, 2004, 01:11:43 PM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal
Yeah, we should start a thread about this, but 'till someone does so, I have to ask something I don't understand at all... why do you say that Fargo's good if you hate it? Just because most of us say it's great?


Technically admirable, great acting, interesting characters, some hilarious scenes, generally interesting set-up and environment.

After watching it, felt my time was wasted, and really got no enjoyment out of it. But I can't put it down on any grounds other than it didn't please me.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 11, 2004, 01:50:23 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal
Yeah, we should start a thread about this, but 'till someone does so, I have to ask something I don't understand at all... why do you say that Fargo's good if you hate it? Just because most of us say it's great?


Technically admirable, great acting, interesting characters, some hilarious scenes, generally interesting set-up and environment.

After watching it, felt my time was wasted, and really got no enjoyment out of it. But I can't put it down on any grounds other than it didn't please me.


Hhhhmmmm..... it's just a matter of opinion, I think. I can't look at a movie like that. If I feel like my time is wasted, I don't like the movie at all. Just like what happened to me with Cold Mountain  :?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on May 11, 2004, 10:03:17 PM
Quote from: SHAFTR
 I can understand why people think Blue Velvet is a great film, but I hate it.


....... :(


(http://www.hammerposters.com/pics/ita20049.jpg)

how could you hate a film w/ a poster this wickedddddddddddd?

but i do agree that  you can hate any film but it does show smarts to realize  what a great film is despite your dislike for it......
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on May 12, 2004, 01:36:11 AM
my statement about good movies was specifically directed to ppl who defend Kill Bill as "the greatest film of all time". i said modernage had the right approach to the movie, and he concluded that it was OK. it's not the best QT movie ever.

so if i am to argue about how Sleuth can like this movie, what i really need to address (what what i was saying from the beginning) is ppl who think this movie is BRILLIANT are kidding themselves.

if u refer to my review, i noted the parts i liked, they were enuff to make it OK. but in terms of forgettable shit, this film had plenty of it. all the extended scenes, the lack of momentum, these terms aren't relative they are what really happened.

bill's death is the only redeeming factor, it is like the embodiment of the whole film. it takes five steps which are only for show, u know how the final step will end and each prior step is just a big pointless gesture. how can anyone defend it as entertainment, when it fails in that department too. the first film volume had plenty of fighting but nothing worth watching again, experts in the genre Kibble was ripping off (we hav a few here) will tell u, the second one is even less exciting in that department.

to recap.. where is the overpraise coming from? that was my question which still no one has answered in this whole thread. this is being overpraised worse than Lost in Translation, it fails as entertainment and that itself is the best defense ppl can come up with ("remember it's not sposed to be as good as his other movies" wtf??) who was the freak who said that The Bride and Bill were the best characters ever made? that is the most ridiculous statement, i would like to see a defense for that, but i won't ask for one to save our time, it is ridiculous.

why are ppl afraid to acknowledge this as just an OK movie? (by default because it isn't BAD). and some of u who love it, u say u didn't like Pulp Fiction? jesus christ, that movie is almost perfect, ur critical value system is completely without basis.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: LostEraser on May 12, 2004, 04:00:34 AM
Quote from: Pubrick
to recap.. where is the overpraise coming from? that was my question which still no one has answered in this whole thread..


I wouldn't even know how to begin to answer that question since I don't think I'm over praising the film. I'm simply being honest with how it affected me.  

Quote from: Pubrick also
who was the freak who said that The Bride and Bill were the best characters ever made?


That was me, your old pal.  :wink: But I didn't say they were the most brilliant characters ever. I said I felt they were Tarantino's most well written characters ever. But, really, all I meant was that I felt more connected to them as real people than I have with any other Tarantino characters. This film just really moved me and I was merely telling you all about it. I'm not a critic (i'm not even very articulate sometimes). I'm just some one who really loves watching movies and loves to tell people about the ones that really affected him. I don't go into a movie with a checklist to mark off to see how perfect the film is going to be. I just go to enjoy myself. And if one of them stirs up some really deep and moving emotions in me. Emotions that I felt the film was trying to stir up in me to begin with, and therefore, succeded at. Then that is enough of a defense for me to say that it was a great movie. I really love both Beatrix and Bill. I've never loved any other Tarantino characters before. They are wonferfully written characters in a wonderful film, in my opinion.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 12, 2004, 06:08:11 AM
Quote from: Pubrick
so if i am to argue about how Sleuth can like this movie, what i really need to address (what what i was saying from the beginning) is ppl who think this movie is BRILLIANT are kidding themselves.
....

if u refer to my review, i noted the parts i liked, they were enuff to make it OK. but in terms of forgettable shit, this film had plenty of it. all the extended scenes, the lack of momentum, these terms aren't relative they are what really happened.
....

why are ppl afraid to acknowledge this as just an OK movie? (by default because it isn't BAD). and some of u who love it, u say u didn't like Pulp Fiction? jesus christ, that movie is almost perfect, ur critical value system is completely without basis.


It's aaaaall about opinion. You tell me an extended scene you think is shit, I'll probably tell you I liked it and why. And there is not a single film ever made about which you can have a common opinion. Some like it, some love it, some don't, some think it's OK.

Oh, and who are the dead ones who criticize Pulp Fiction?  :wink:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: El Duderino on May 12, 2004, 01:36:28 PM
i've seen the movie 4 times (too many, i know) and every time i watch it, i see something new, whether it be a flaw or something i just missed the first time. A good example of that would be [SPOLIERS] when Budd and that other guy are digging B's grave, there's a open couffin with a shrivelled body inside [/SPOLIERS].

This movie is not Tarantino's best work, but it's not his worst either. the movie wasn't breathtaking the first time i saw it or any other time. Uma Thurman and David Carradine both gave great performances, probably the best of both their carreers. and like someone said earlier, when the credits came up and it said "Written and Directed by Quentin Tarantino" i realized that i'm growing up on this guy. some people say Robert Altman or Godard, but maybe it was the fact that this movie, aswell as volume one, was my first QT-in-the-theatre experience. i give the movie a B.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Mesh on May 12, 2004, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: Pubrick
bill's death is the only redeeming factor, it is like the embodiment of the whole film. it takes five steps which are only for show, u know how the final step will end and each prior step is just a big pointless gesture. how can anyone defend it as entertainment, when it fails in that department too.


Boy, this is so wrong, it's shocking.

B's burial scene (that claustrophobic, interminable, harrowing darkness) was spellbinding, confusing, and scary as hell and it heightens every proceeding scene's tension (up until she crawls back out). Exactly the kind of "entertainment" I enter the theatre hoping to see and I'd have paid my $9 for that scene alone (not that about a dozen others weren't a joy to watch....there were plenty).

edit:  btw, I think Kill Bill, taken as a whole, is Tarantino's least important and entertaining film.  But, again, that's not saying much because he's held up to his own exceedingly high standards.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: SoNowThen on May 12, 2004, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: Mesh
B's burial scene (that claustrophobic, interminable, harrowing darkness) was spellbinding, confusing, and scary as hell and it heightens every proceeding scene's tension (up until she crawls back out).


How?

A. You've seen it before in The Vanishing.

B. You know she's gonna get out. There's still 3/4 of movie left.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Mesh on May 12, 2004, 03:46:05 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Quote from: Mesh
B's burial scene (that claustrophobic, interminable, harrowing darkness) was spellbinding, confusing, and scary as hell and it heightens every proceeding scene's tension (up until she crawls back out).


How?

A. You've seen it before in The Vanishing.

B. You know she's gonna get out. There's still 3/4 of movie left.


A. I've never seen The Vanishing.  Not all humans have.  Either way, it was a great "buried alive" sequence.

B. Tarantino is famous for messing with linear filmic narrative.  It's not utterly inconceivable that the burial could have been happening at the end of the narrative (in fact, I suspected as much as I was watching).  I couldn't think of a way for her to get out, so I tried to figure out what QT was up to and that's what I came up with.  I was wrong.  It was great to be wrong in this case.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on May 12, 2004, 05:53:39 PM
vanishing spoilers

Quote from: SoNowThen
You've seen it before in The Vanishing.


what really made the KB burried alive scene so intense and terrifying was when B was inside the coffin with nothing else to do but listen to Budd hammering in the nails, the sound of her coffin being dragged along the dirt, lowered into the grave and the layers of dirt pounding against the roof.

the vanishing is very different. he wakes up inside a coffin after being drugged. that was really scary and shocking (the slow rotating shot from inside the coffin was badass) but it wasn't anywhere near as nail bitting as the process of Budd burrying a helpless B alive, in my opinion.

also, the black and white shot inside the coffin in KB was ace.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pozer on May 12, 2004, 07:24:44 PM
Quote from: Pubrick
but in terms of forgettable shit, this film had plenty of it. all the extended scenes, the lack of momentum, these terms aren't relative they are what really happened.

bill's death is the only redeeming factor, it is like the embodiment of the whole film. it takes five steps which are only for show, u know how the final step will end and each prior step is just a big pointless gesture. how can anyone defend it as entertainment, when it fails in that department too.


ouch baby, very ouch
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 17, 2004, 09:00:07 PM
I finally saw the movie, and it was very good, but... it just felt totally and completely wrong. The two halves were never meant to be separated. As much as I want to give Syd Field the finger and say 2-act structure works, Volume 2 seems absolutely detached and feels (but isn't) unecessary. All the pacing problems would have been solved with one big movie. I would have loved a 4-hour Kill Bill.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on August 12, 2004, 12:04:33 PM
Tarantino's Fears for Oscar Chances
Source: IMDB

Hollywood director Quentin Tarantino fears he has ruined Uma Thurman's chances of landing an Oscar nomination because he split his Kill Bill story into two films. The stunning actress plays The Bride who seeks vengeance for the murder of her wedding party in last year's Kill Bill: Vol. 1 and this year's Kill Bill: Vol. 2. Tarantino split the movie in two after failing to cut it to an acceptable length - but he now fears the decision could backfire, come the Academy Awards. He explains, "If I tried to turn it into a three-hour or two-and-a-half-hour movie, all the scenes that would go would be scenes I think give the movie its weight, its resonance. If I truly, truly believed the film would have had more impact shorter, I would have done it that way. I think the only thing that might have been lost in that decision is we could have gotten considerably more awards play if the film had been one big, giant epic. As one big movie, Uma would have gotten a best-actress nomination, for sure. I'm still hoping we're going to do good at the Oscars in 2005."
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on August 12, 2004, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Tarantino's Fears for Oscar Chances
Source: IMDB

Hollywood director Quentin Tarantino fears he has ruined Uma Thurman's chances of landing an Oscar nomination because he split his Kill Bill story into two films.

uh.. he ruined her chances by putting her in a shitty movie.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: oakmanc234 on August 12, 2004, 08:15:24 PM
He's still hoping to do good at the Oscars? Though I love the film thoroughly, I dont think it'll be up for JACK-SHIT. If it gets a single nom (let alone a few) I'll be shocked.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on August 13, 2004, 07:07:28 AM
Uma will get a nod...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on August 13, 2004, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: oakmanc234
He's still hoping to do good at the Oscars? Though I love the film thoroughly, I dont think it'll be up for JACK-SHIT. If it gets a single nom (let alone a few) I'll be shocked.

i agree.  this wont be up for shit.  even if it WAS good enough, (which it wasnt), and even if it WAS the type of movie the academy awards (which it CERTAINLY ISNT), their memories arent that long typically and this wasnt some monster-Passion sized hit to make them remember.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on August 13, 2004, 04:10:04 PM
I hope Carradine gets a nomination, more than uma.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Raikus on August 13, 2004, 04:22:00 PM
I could see a sound or editing nom, but no acting noms. Uma did great, but he's right, breaking up the movie did torpedo her chances.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on August 14, 2004, 08:49:09 AM
splitting the movies up really did fuck up its chances of getting ANYTHING...vol 2 was much too hyped up for its own good....i like it but you know
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on August 14, 2004, 05:39:17 PM
Tarantino doesn't strike me as a man who is after awards more than he's after the feeling of making a great film.

Then again, he's probably pretty arrogant, so he'd want awards he didn't even apply for.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on August 14, 2004, 06:40:15 PM
who wouldn't?  prizes are very encouraging
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Just Withnail on August 14, 2004, 11:08:49 PM
Quote from: eward
who wouldn't?  prizes are very encouraging


I seriously don't think Tarantino needs encouraging.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on August 14, 2004, 11:41:57 PM
this is so
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on August 15, 2004, 05:44:40 AM
Does anybody else think that the girl is going to be a fantastic actress. That bit when she is eating her sandwich and flapping her hand at the same time, it's so cool and you can't really teach that stuff, she looks so natural in the film.

one of my favourite lines: "why, daddy? were you being a baaaaaaaaaaad daddy?"
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on August 15, 2004, 08:21:13 AM
Quote from: rustinglass
one of my favourite lines: "why, daddy? were you being a baaaaaaaaaaad daddy?"

please. that little girl tops Aliens and Lost World in terms of "little girls that did nothing for the movie".

the more i think about kibble, the more its "coolness" falls away to reveal nothing but Lame. of all the tarantino movies, this is the first that is nowhere near as cool as it thinks it is.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on August 15, 2004, 11:25:10 AM
yes, i caught a few bits of it last night while my sister had it on and some of it really just annoyed me.  

KILL BILL VOL 2 = THE BIGGEST LETDOWN SINCE THE MATRIX RELOADED
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pozer on August 15, 2004, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: rustinglass
Does anybody else think that the girl is going to be a fantastic actress. That bit when she is eating her sandwich and flapping her hand at the same time, it's so cool and you can't really teach that stuff, she looks so natural in the film.

one of my favourite lines: "why, daddy? were you being a baaaaaaaaaaad daddy?"


I love that line too. Total Tarantino line by a little child.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on August 15, 2004, 02:39:21 PM
Quote from: Pubrick

please. that little girl tops Aliens and Lost World in terms of "little girls that did nothing for the movie".


Come on, P, it's not like it was her job to save the film at that stage but could the movie be as good without her? of course not. Plus, the girl in Aliens is mostly annoying and I don't  even remeber a girl in Lost World. Even with only five or six lines, she is -as the black kid in the beggining- ubercool in every scene she's in, even when she's chewing. And she makes it totally believable that she was raised by Bill and that was crucial to make the "Bill, Beatrix, BB" family conversation scene work.

I think that, in a way, the children in this film work as bookends, in the sense that we could mirror the vernita green scene in the end.

I can't express myself in english, can't find the words.......
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on August 15, 2004, 03:11:37 PM
Quote from: rustinglass
I don't  even remeber a girl in Lost World.


You don't remember thinking, 'Where did Ian Malcolm get a kid from all of a sudden, and why is she black?'
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on August 15, 2004, 03:27:01 PM
Oh yeah, she was up in the crane thing..... I remember that
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on August 15, 2004, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
yes, i caught a few bits of it last night while my sister had it on and some of it really just annoyed me.  

KILL BILL VOL 2 = THE BIGGEST LETDOWN SINCE THE MATRIX RELOADED


what do you find annoying?  the stuff that bugged me when i saw it in the theatre disappeared when i saw it again the other night, wierdly....

and also, i think i remember you saying (when it first came out) even though u were slightly disappointed with it u still loved it, but as time goes on it seems as if you've begun to hate it, so do u like it at all at this point?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on August 15, 2004, 08:37:20 PM
Quote from: themodernage02


KILL BILL VOL 2 = THE BIGGEST LETDOWN SINCE THE MATRIX RELOADED REVOLUTIONS
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: tpfkabi on August 15, 2004, 10:13:45 PM
any word when the combined film will make screens and then DVD?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: rustinglass on August 16, 2004, 03:47:50 AM
Quote from: NEON MERCURY


KILL BILL VOL. 2 MATRIX REVOLUTIONS = THE BIGGEST LETDOWN SINCE THE MATRIX RELOADED
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Ghostboy on August 16, 2004, 04:01:04 AM
Quote from: Pubrick

please. that little girl tops Aliens and Lost World in terms of "little girls that did nothing for the movie".


Hey wait a sec, Newt did a shitload for Aliens!

Agreed on The Lost World girl, though.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on August 16, 2004, 10:08:48 AM
but the little girl in the lost world got to beat the shit out of raptors with her olympic level gymnastics that apparently got her kicked off the team!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on August 16, 2004, 10:21:11 AM
I still find it hard to believe that The Lost World credits show something like "directed by Steven Spielberg". It's been years since I've seen it and I'm still trying to find out what the hell that was (I think the kid character sums up everything the movie was... a shitload of completely pointless scenes about as good as ones directed by Michael Bay but with dinnossaurs in it).

That said, little BB was a great girl and was great on a great movie as the daughter of the great Kiddo.

That said, lemme go back to my vacations.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on September 18, 2004, 11:25:44 PM
What I find particularly amusing about this thread is how so many people are praising this movie, and now, after the fog has lifted, the feeling has left, more and more are seeing this movie for what it really is.

That said, I FINALLY saw this tonight.  I enjoyed it on a superficial, visceral level, much more than I thought I would, but I've gotta agree with P, and to a lesser extent SoNowThen and mutinyco.  I really question anyone's dedication to cinephilia if they evey question for a second the greatness of Pulp Fiction (truly an almost perfect film) and the style and class of Jackie Brown (Tarantino's most mature, accomplished work) and consider this movie of all things any sort of second coming.  It's not.  At best, it was empty entertainment -- this is not the Tarantino I know, and if it's who he's become, I don't want to see any more of it.  Yes, it had me on the edge of my seat at several points.  It drew me in.  It had somewhat compelling characters.  It made cute references to films of the past (and I particularly enjoyed the New Wave-y feel of the first part of the movie).  It had so many compelling moments, but that's all they were.  They were empty.

To compare: it's the same feeling I had when I saw Mulholland Drive for the first time.  A lot of great scenes that didn't really add up to anything.  Except with Mulholland Drive, I was a lot more angry at the end.  Here, I had fun.  The Pai Mei segment was inspired and actually had something to do with the film.  The twisting, the turning, and the subversion were all inspired, but I'm seeing all these ideas and concepts that don't really serve any purpose except to subvert.  There is no heart here.  The subversion here in Kibble worked, yes.  The ending fit, the closing credits with Bride driving were perfect.  But something about the whole package just doesn't mesh.

A friend of mine put it this way: it seems like there's a bit of whim here, where character's motives are swayed and bent to serve the plot, to serve the action.  One minute, a character has one motivation for doing something, the next it's gone.  It's all done this way to push along the plot, to push along this final confrontation, when none of this is logically feasible.

Carradine was great, as was Thurman.  Their acting should be commended.  It was nice having a "villain" (if you could call him that) who you can feel empathy for.  Thurman crying/almost laughing on the bathroom floor after it's all over -- some sort of huge catharsis -- was one of the most unique scenes ever.  Ghostboy was right in saying that we'll never see another movie like this, and that scene was one reason.  But again I am reminded that just because there's one good scene here and there doesn't mean the whole movie is great.  Tarantino has all the threads here, but forgot to tie the knots tight.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: brockly on September 19, 2004, 01:42:23 AM
i remember saying here once that i thought vol. 2 was a better film than vol. 1. well, i take that back, because it definitely isnt. while i believe kill bill as a whole is a great film, the more i watch vol. 2,  the less i like that closing chapter. i thought it was great on the first few viewings, but now i just get the urge to turn the fucking thing off after the amazing scenes leading up to it. the esteban scene has become almost unbearable. not until uma and carradine have that final exchange of dialogue, right after the karren kim flashback, does the film pick itself back up again, and the ending is truly superb. i love the next morning sequence. but as far as vol. 1 goes, well, people say that pulp fiction is an almost perfect film. i agree, and i like kill bill vol. 1 even more. so yes, i can now accept the fact that vol. 2 was a pretty big disappointment for tarantino. its a real shame, considering the “lonely grave of paula schultz” chapter is one of the best things he's has ever directed.

Quote from: ono. on the clerks 2 thread
Tarantino?  Check.  Smith?  Check.  Alright, people, place your bets on the director with at least SOME potential and talent who's the next to sell out and lose your interest.


sorry ono, but i think this comment is somewhat absurd. in my opinion, tarantino is one of the greatest filmmakers out there today, and the fact that he's made his first not-so-spectacular film since dogs doesnt change that. and if it does, i fail to see how the guy's "sold out". fair enough if he's lost your interest, though. and your smith remark is justifiable. i also agree with most of what you said in your review, apart from the mulholland drive comparison.

Quote from: rustinglass
Quote from: NEON MERCURY


KILL BILL VOL. 2 MATRIX REVOLUTIONS = THE BIGGEST LETDOWN SINCE THE MATRIX RELOADED


you guys were actually expecting the matrix sequals to be good? if anything, i was impressed by reloaded, and thats not to say that i liked it
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Just Withnail on September 19, 2004, 07:10:53 AM
Don't know about selling out, but when you pay off six years of anticipation with Kill Bill, I've lost interest.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on September 19, 2004, 03:38:33 PM
yea, after some time having passed, i agree.  i wouldnt rank this above anything but reservoir dogs...its good, but it doesnt resonate like fiction and jackie do
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on September 19, 2004, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: brockly


Quote from: rustinglass
Quote from: NEON MERCURY


KILL BILL VOL. 2 MATRIX REVOLUTIONS = THE BIGGEST LETDOWN SINCE THE MATRIX RELOADED


you guys were actually expecting the matrix sequals to be good? if anything, i was impressed by reloaded, and thats not to say that i liked it


i think reloaded is the best one.  and i think revolutions plain sucks and has nothing redeemable about it.  it still pisses me off that i had to sit through one of the most boring invasion scenes via of those metallic squid things entering zion.  seriously, it seemed like hours worth of the films running time was dedicated on just that bullsh*t.  theres just so  much more to like about reloaded.  

Quote from: ono.

A friend of mine put it this way: it seems like there's a bit of whim here, where character's motives are swayed and bent to serve the plot, to serve the action. One minute, a character has one motivation for doing something, the next it's gone. It's all done this way to push along the plot, to push along this final confrontation, when none of this is logically feasible.


 :roll: oh, you mean this couldnt/didnt really happen?  tell your friend you cant diss on a film[especially one thats over the top like this] and play the "this film sucks b/c it isnt logically feasible" card.  i enjoyed this film the same way i enjoyed 'freddy vs. jason'-its fun.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on September 19, 2004, 09:40:10 PM
Quote from: NEON MERCURY
:roll: oh, you mean this couldnt/didnt really happen?  tell your friend you cant diss on a film[especially one thats over the top like this] and play the "this film sucks b/c it isnt logically feasible" card.  i enjoyed this film the same way i enjoyed 'freddy vs. jason'-its fun.

:roll:

That's not what he/I meant at all.  Even given that everything that happens in this film is logically feasible, choices characters made in this film didn't really make all that much sense.  Some actions and events are given that suspension of disbelief, but logic isn't that free.  When a film eschews common sense, you know it's bordering on bad.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on September 19, 2004, 09:46:32 PM
Quote from: ono.
Quote from: NEON MERCURY
:roll: oh, you mean this couldnt/didnt really happen?  tell your friend you cant diss on a film[especially one thats over the top like this] and play the "this film sucks b/c it isnt logically feasible" card.  i enjoyed this film the same way i enjoyed 'freddy vs. jason'-its fun.

:roll:

That's not what he/I meant at all.  Even given that everything that happens in this film is logically feasible, choices characters made in this film didn't really make all that much sense.  Some actions and events are given that suspension of disbelief, but logic isn't that free.  When a film eschews common sense, you know it's bordering on bad.


my apologies.  but what do you mean? [give examples relating to the bold lettering]
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on September 19, 2004, 09:52:10 PM
I can't speak for him, really.  But for me, I never really understood why Elle turned on Budd -- thought they were a team, and perhaps if there was a bit more background between them it'd be more clear.  Only thing I can think of is that she was jealous of Budd for "killing" Bea before she got to her.

And also, a lot of the interaction between Bea and Bill was a bit bothersome.  They love each other, they hate each other -- which is it?  Thin line, I know, but still, they have a child together.  WORK IT OUT.  Of course, I realize QT has sold this idea of her wanting her revenge, so it's gotta happen.  The explanation for Bill wiping out all of Bea's friends and future family is just that he snapped out of jealousy, did it for the good of the kid.  That's rather weak, too, but then again, he is a killer.  Of course, he's made to be a much tamer person than that all throughout the film.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: NEON MERCURY on September 19, 2004, 10:07:18 PM
ono.  you make valid points that i cant agrue with but cant you just roll with it in terms of the film's logic?  it has been a while since i saw it last[i am going to only take ONE bite of the apple-so ill wait to buy a later edition on dvd] but i never once thought about that while watching the film.  you think to much.  why bother trying to counter a film like this' logic?  these characters are eccentric and egotistical and fantasy-like.   its just a wild ride kind of film.  this aint no character study.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: MacGuffin on September 29, 2005, 08:58:55 PM
Kill Bill rocks Stunt Awards

(http://www.tarantino.info/images/stories/qtstunt.jpg)

Tarantino rocked the World Stunt Awards again. The Taurus award 2005 in the categories "Best Fight" and "Overall best stunt by a woman" went to Kill Bill Volume 2. It was also nominated for "Best Stunt Coordinator". On top of all that, Quentin Tarantino was given the "Honorary award for Best Action Movie Director". According to the Taurus Awards, TWSA executive producer Mitch Geller said, "Quentin Tarantino's work with the Kill Bill films, solidified him as one of today's best action directors making him the perfect choice for the Taurus Action Movie Director of the Year award. He has consistently shown an ability to learn from the stunt teams on his many films and has expressed a genuine interest in the field of stunt work."
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: modage on September 29, 2005, 10:00:55 PM
how old is that movie?  didnt it come out like 2 years ago?  whey are they still giving out awards for this shit.  this is why it takes him like 8 years to put out a movie cause he can just ride each one for years doing press and picking up awards.  GET YOUR ASS TO A TYPEWRITER AND MAKE ME A FUCKING MOVIE.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: eward on September 30, 2005, 05:42:29 PM
or he could just stop altogether and maybe thatd be okay too
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Gold Trumpet on September 30, 2005, 08:14:51 PM
He should quit.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: ono on September 30, 2005, 08:17:01 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I think he should stop making movies.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: 72teeth on September 30, 2005, 09:10:55 PM
...or just not make movies at all...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Gold Trumpet on September 30, 2005, 11:49:21 PM
Anyone want to start a petition?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on October 01, 2005, 02:27:53 AM
we could write up a statement that ppl can sign to show their support.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: cine on October 01, 2005, 04:56:18 AM
i dont know about you guys, but i think people should put their names on a piece of paper about this.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 01, 2005, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: Pubrick
we could write up a statement that ppl can sign to show their support.


Someone here should do that. Then advertise it across the board and see how many people we get to sign it. That may be most interesting.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pas on October 01, 2005, 01:13:55 PM
That is one weird joke. Pubrick, Cinef...stop your tomfoolery at once !
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: 72teeth on October 01, 2005, 07:09:18 PM
or just cut it out all together...sorry
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pozer on October 02, 2005, 12:20:15 PM
We could just... take care of him --
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 02, 2005, 01:35:31 PM
I'm fucking serious. Petition to get him to stop making movies!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pozer on October 02, 2005, 02:13:21 PM
easy, tiger.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pas on October 02, 2005, 03:26:14 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
I'm fucking serious. Petition to get him to stop making movies!


I mean the joke about repeating stuff over and over in a different way.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume Two
Post by: Pubrick on October 03, 2005, 04:20:15 AM
that joke was begun by ono and 72teeth. it was good, i don't think GT even realised it was happening.

so uh, sorry to break it to u, GT, the petition is not gonna happen.

it will not eventuate