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Title: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on July 15, 2003, 03:29:03 PM
Here I have made out a WHOLE THREAD where anyone can discuss ANYTHING 'bout "The Greates Show in History that Has Ever Been Aired on Television".....

1. The atmosphere is awesome you really feel like your there its creepy..........

2.The most odd-ball characters ever put on the small screen..damn cool

3.This is THE ONLY show that you really can-not miss an episode

4. The pilot is legendary you will NEVER see something like that again

5. The show is "way a-head of it's time"...indeed ....and the whole black lodge/white lodge/red room stuff is so cool and bizarre i can-not believed they let it on tv...Great stuff Lynch/Frost

6.The murder mystery that surrounded the show...MAN!...that was very intriging stuff.

7."The Lynch Factor"-as a character in creation ..he did a great job..





This show WILL NEVER BE ECLIPSED BY ANYTHING ELSE!
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleuth on July 15, 2003, 03:36:13 PM
Man, I wish I had watched this or at least I could not be lazy enough to find the first season on DVD

Is it all just one murder mystery?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on July 15, 2003, 04:05:40 PM
Quote from: tremolosloth
Man, I wish I had watched this or at least I could not be lazy enough to find the first season on DVD

Is it all just one murder mystery?





no it is soooooooooo much more........


spoiler warning spoiler warning spoiler warning spoiler warning spoiler warning spoiler warning









the murder gets solved(sort of) during midway in the second season (the series lasted only two seasons but man are they great)......but their is more to it after the murder is solved

end of spoiler end of spoiler end of spoiler end of spoiler



you need to find the first season on DVD or rent the tapes somewhere (if you go the dvd route the pilot is NOT included...but you can find it online or at some stores that sell "cult" dvds.....*there is the pilot on video for rent BUT the ending is changed and it  contradicts the REAL solution found in the second season..if you decide to rent it anyway cut it of (right after the woman screams near the end)....but also if you buy the dvd first season the set includes detailed kliner notes about the events in the pilot.......or you can report back here and I or someone else will clue you in.

But be rowarned when you start watching this YOU CANOT STOP..this sounds cheesy but I AM DEAD SERIOUS this show hoked me like no other had/has...I still watch the first season  and   the rent the second season to visit Twin Peaks again  .....it is an awesome experience
 8)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: penfold0101 on July 24, 2003, 08:09:44 AM
I've only seen the pilot and season 1 DVD.

The look of the show is just excellent,
I love the locations
The sets
The colour, its very bright and crisp lots of reds, blues and plenty of wood!
I think its one of the best transfers to DVD I’ve seen.

its completely engaging, every episode just makes you want to watch the next!

My only problem is i need to see season 2!! (I don’t want to see season 2 i NEED to see it)
When oh when will they release it!
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: penfold0101 on July 25, 2003, 10:11:04 AM
Quote from: m©gwai
Quote from: penfold0101
When oh when will they release it!

some time in september.


Really?
Is it a proper Lynch approved version?
Where did you here about it?
Give us a link boss!

Thank you.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: ono on February 06, 2004, 09:51:18 AM
Okay, so like, without spoiling anything, I need you all to tell me a little bit about Twin Peaks: FWWM and the TV series (season one).  I want to watch them both, but I'm struggling for room in my Netflix queue, so I was wondering what order I should watch these in so I can bump one or the other or something.  Thanks, and stuff.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 06, 2004, 10:17:34 AM
Quote from: Onomatopoeia
Okay, so like, without spoiling anything, I need you all to tell me a little bit about Twin Peaks: FWWM and the TV series (season one).  I want to watch them both, but I'm struggling for room in my Netflix queue, so I was wondering what order I should watch these in so I can bump one or the other or something.  Thanks, and stuff.


TV series first, but you shouldn't watch "Fire Walk With Me" without having seen Season 2 since that's the season when the killer is revealed and the movie assumes you know who the killer is. You also should watch the pilot before any of these.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: ono on February 06, 2004, 10:35:08 AM
Is the pilot included in that DVD set?  If not, where can I see it?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 06, 2004, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Onomatopoeia
Is the pilot included in that DVD set?


No, there's a rights issue over that release.

Quote from: Onomatopoeia
If not, where can I see it?


There are Region 0 copies available, but you would have to search for them and they might not be for rent. It's also available on VHS if you can find a rental house that has it.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: cron on February 06, 2004, 12:03:02 PM
there was a parody on The Simpsons about Twink Peaks, yes?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on February 06, 2004, 04:25:17 PM
Quote from: Onomatopoeia
Okay, so like, without spoiling anything, I need you all to tell me a little bit about Twin Peaks: FWWM and the TV series (season one).  I want to watch them both, but I'm struggling for room in my Netflix queue, so I was wondering what order I should watch these in so I can bump one or the other or something.  Thanks, and stuff.


....the order i watch the whole twin peaks universe is Fire walk w/ me>season one...>season two..> fire walk w/ me.......

OnO...all you need to nknow abopu tthe "basic" plot of peaks is that a girl is washed up onto shore and wrapped in plastic ......


this was the most addicting show (next to 6 feet under) ..that i have watched....you will not be dissapointed.......


chalk up another point for lynch..........beside mastering the ffilm art he can do tv also.......but  disregard On the Air....
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: meatwad on February 06, 2004, 04:31:31 PM
you can find the pilot on DVD from ebay. It's pretty cheap

I have two more episodes of the first season to watch. I have Fire Walk With Me here, and i'm tempted to watch it before i find Season 2.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Weak2ndAct on February 06, 2004, 07:58:52 PM
Quote from: Onomatopoeia
Is the pilot included in that DVD set?  If not, where can I see it?

Yeah, like everyone said, you can get it on dvd through ebay and a ton of places.

But, DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT watch the tape that has the 'new ending' or 'new shocking footage.'  They're still floating around most rental stores, but for the love of god, stay away from them.  This version was intended as a stand alone theatrical release in Europe and was given a rushed ending so it could stand alone.  The tacked on ending gives away too much stuff that happens later on in the series.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: cron on February 08, 2004, 04:18:28 AM
Quote from: chuckhimselfo
there was a parody on The Simpsons about Twink Peaks, yes?



http://www.lynchnet.com/tp/movies.html
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on March 10, 2004, 05:54:04 PM
i've finally gotten around to getting twin peaks to watch.  i've got the pilot and disc one of season one sitting here right now.  my parents loved the show when it was on, and i can remember them watching it religiously, but i've never seen it.       any words of advice before i watch it?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Ghostboy on March 10, 2004, 06:01:51 PM
Watch the pilot up until Laura's mother has the nightmare (an hour or so into it). Then TURN IT OFF, FOR GOD'S SAKE, TURN IT OFF and start episode one.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on March 10, 2004, 06:10:10 PM
yeah seriously?  i have the region 0 dvd.  i should turn it off when the nightmare happens?  afterwards?  during?  never to know whats in there?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Ghostboy on March 10, 2004, 06:16:03 PM
Yeah. Wait until she wakes up from it (I'm pretty sure she wakes up screaming), if you want, but then turn it off. I don't have the pilot and haven't seen it in years, but you'll know it's the right nightmare because there'll be a strobing image of a guy running down the stairs of the house.

You can go back and watch the rest of it after you've seen all of season 1.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 10, 2004, 06:19:04 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
yeah seriously?  i have the region 0 dvd.  i should turn it off when the nightmare happens?  afterwards?  during?  never to know whats in there?


After Mrs. Palmer has the vision. When you get to Deputy Andy playing a trumpet, SHUT IT OFF.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on March 10, 2004, 09:05:34 PM
i think you guys are thinking of the wrong dvd. i have the region 0 dvd and after the nightmare, it just cuts to the credits.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on March 10, 2004, 09:22:43 PM
Quote from: taz.
i think you guys are thinking of the wrong dvd. i have the region 0 dvd and after the nightmare, it just cuts to the credits.

yeah i just got through it.  nightmare, picks up necklace under rock, credits/laura photo.  wow, that was neat.  i dont know what it is about lynch, but i am becoming just increasingly facinated with his stuff. like, no matter what the hell is going on, even towards the beginning when not much is going on, i am sitting there on the edge of my seat, just waiting to see what he does next.  he is rising in ranks for me. admittedly, when i first came to the site here about 10 months ago, out of all the directors forums, lynch was the one i was the least into.  and since the rest of them were all basically my favorites, he was the one i have done the most looking into since.  thank you xixax. now, onto the episodes...
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on March 10, 2004, 09:27:12 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
i've finally gotten around to getting twin peaks to watch.  i've got the pilot and disc one of season one sitting here right now.  my parents loved the show when it was on, and i can remember them watching it religiously, but i've never seen it.       any words of advice before i watch it?


.....mod-age w/ pilot do you have...?
..(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005V54S.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0790731800.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
....if you have the latter....do what Ghostboy and Mac have said...cut it off...

as for advice...while watching it....think how influential it is to now-a-days- tv ..and if there ever will be a better tv series....
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on March 10, 2004, 09:29:42 PM
Quote from: NEON MERCURY
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005V54S.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)

yeah, thats the one.  i was just on amazon, looking up that vhs version with the added 20 minutes.  whew, luckily mine was not.  looks like you can buy the damn first 7 episodes season one for like 21$ online.  i may just be doing that now.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on March 10, 2004, 09:39:01 PM
....yeah the first season is a MUST......try to get the Artisan dvd season one set...its glorious.....phucking solid transfer...after you watch that pilot dvd then those season one dvds...the difference is incredible.....i'm glad your getting into this... its really addicting and so phucking cool man....the music,  the humor, ....and just the whole "vibe" of twin peaks is killer.....plus there's so much more you can delve into it........my fav episode in season one is episode two...that  sh*t is awesome man.....
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 10, 2004, 09:43:17 PM
It's too bad mod-age will get all hyped up, and then have to wait until MAYBE the end of 2005 (unless he gets the Region 2 set at the end of the year or the VHS copies) to see who the killer is in Season 2.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on March 10, 2004, 09:57:14 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
It's too bad mod-age will get all hyped up, and then have to wait until MAYBE the end of 2005 (unless he gets the Region 2 set at the end of the year or the VHS copies) to see who the killer is in Season 2.


ain't that the truth Mac.....i remember after going through season one on dvd i was expecting the second season to come out real soon....but it didn't so i had to go to a local video store and rent the 2nd season on those horrendous tapes.....uugh!!...the quality sucked so bad after those beautiful season dvds....and what makes matters worse the store didn't have the first 2 or three episodes of the 2nd season but it had all the rest.....so i had to get the synapses guides off the net for what i missed.....those tapes sucked ass...the pilot dvd was even better..... :(
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on March 10, 2004, 11:21:38 PM
yeah i just watched the first two episodes.  the quality was 1000 times better than that awful region 0 pilot.  it seemed like even the production values were better in addition to the picture/sound.  i am hooked, and going to order that damn set now to burn through the remaining 5 episodes after which i will begin wishing i was dead waiting for the goddamn second season!
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Ghostboy on March 10, 2004, 11:27:20 PM
Actually, the second season is a huge step down from the first. The first episode is good, and then the last three or so are as great, but otherwise Lynch was mostly uninvolved, due to his commitment to Wild At Heart, and it shows. It's still definitely worth seeing, (especially those last three, and of those especially the last one -- hot damn!), but don't fret too much over the wait.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on March 10, 2004, 11:47:03 PM
Quote from: Ghostboy
Actually, the second season is a huge step down from the first. The first episode is good, and then the last three or so are as great, but otherwise Lynch was mostly uninvolved, due to his commitment to Wild At Heart, and it shows. It's still definitely worth seeing, (especially those last three, and of those especially the last one -- hot damn!), but don't fret too much over the wait.


i was listening to the twin peaks commentary and i'm pretty sure lynch was doing wild at heart and season ONE of twin peaks at the same time. lynch and his editor were working like dogs doing wild at heart, episode 2 and episode 3 all at the same time. maybe lynch just got bored of the series. or maybe i'm just completely wrong.

another thing that was said on the commentaries really pissed me off. the dp was saying that the pilot episode is really the richest and thought out episode of the entire series and that it looks amazing when projected onto a big screen. he kept saying this a million times, KNOWING that the pilot wasn't included on the dvd and the only way to get it was on a shitty japanese copy with terrible quality. WHAT A DICK!
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Ghostboy on March 11, 2004, 12:01:58 AM
From Lynch on Lynch:

WAS IT TRUE THAT YOU WERE LESS INVOLVED IN THE SECOND SERIES, BECAUSE YOU WERE OFF MAKING WILD AT HEART?
Right. That started...in the second season I was, you know, removed from it...if Mark and I had been working together, it would've been different. But we weren't, so it was the way it was. I went to a couple of meetings with writers, and things like that, but unless you're right there and you're hands on...

He goes on to say that he came back and rewrote and directed the last episode to make sure it was done right.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on March 11, 2004, 12:05:13 AM
ah, yes. i just got that book. maybe i should read it so i don't sound like a fool.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: GoneSavage on March 11, 2004, 03:29:27 PM
What can I say?  All your enthusiasm is founded.  This was a great series that I was too young to appreciate when it aired.  I got into it when my Psych teacher in high school told me about it and that Bravo was going to have a marathon of all the episodes.  I just borrowed the tapes from him and watched, then rewatched them all a few years ago.  I have the DVD set and pilot but won't watch them until Season Two comes out, i.e. never.  I can't see getting stuck on such an addicting show, even though I've seen it all twice before.  I'm a freak like that.  Season Two has been "on the way" for years now, bogus.  

Side topic - Sherilyn Fenn or Lara Flynn Boyle?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on March 11, 2004, 05:32:01 PM
fenn - she was the bad girl and didn't listen to what her daddy had to say. she needed discipline.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on March 11, 2004, 09:27:28 PM
.....season 2 ....IMO is just as solid as season one....its just season 2 is way out there.....i liked it a whole lot......like

 SPOILERS.....

the whole plot w/ nadine and her "super human" strenght.....and james hurley's plot developements w/ that older lady out in the woods.......its just that season 2 is phucking much crazier than season 1........also....i like how season 2 delves into the black/white lodge....and glastonberry grove......and the red room sh8t its cool stuff......


gotta go w/ Fenn...........but that  lady who runs the RR diner is hot also....(peggy lipton)...........
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on March 24, 2004, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
It's too bad mod-age will get all hyped up, and then have to wait until MAYBE the end of 2005 (unless he gets the Region 2 set at the end of the year or the VHS copies) to see who the killer is in Season 2.

HOLY SHIT!  just finished Season One and i cant believe how many cliffhangers they left!  consider me officially obsessed.  i had to wait about a week between watching the pilot and first two episodes i rented waiting for my bought season one to arrive and it was TORTURE!  it was all i wanted to watch, and now i've burned through them faster than i thought i would.  LUCKILY, i called my local video store who has the season 2 tapes (or i would probably have gone insane).  TWENTY TWO more episodes to go!  i'm looking forward to 'weirder', is what my parents said it got when they watched it religiously back in 1990.  my favorite episode was #2, (of course, lynch directed) overall but mostly because of the incredible ending in the red room.  i want more weird like that!  i take back anything i ever said about lynch that wasnt glowing, i'm a fan!
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on March 24, 2004, 11:41:24 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
Quote from: MacGuffin
It's too bad mod-age will get all hyped up, and then have to wait until MAYBE the end of 2005 (unless he gets the Region 2 set at the end of the year or the VHS copies) to see who the killer is in Season 2.

HOLY SHIT!  just finished Season One and i cant believe how many cliffhangers they left!  consider me officially obsessed.  i had to wait about a week between watching the pilot and first two episodes i rented waiting for my bought season one to arrive and it was TORTURE!  it was all i wanted to watch, and now i've burned through them faster than i thought i would.  LUCKILY, i called my local video store who has the season 2 tapes (or i would probably have gone insane).  TWENTY TWO more episodes to go!  i'm looking forward to 'weirder', is what my parents said it got when they watched it religiously back in 1990.  my favorite episode was #2, (of course, lynch directed) overall but mostly because of the incredible ending in the red room.  i want more weird like that!  i take back anything i ever said about lynch that wasnt glowing, i'm a fan!





hell yes!!!!!!!!!!! i'm glad you liked it......yeah season two is wild.... phucking crazy...my fav season one ep.  is #2 also........prepare thyself season 2 is full of great sh*t (lynch and non lynch).......just cool stuff man.......and you will LLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEE....the final ep (by lynch himself)...........you are really convincing me to start a twin peaks marathon this weekend....... 8)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 25, 2004, 12:43:49 AM
Quote from: themodernage02
LUCKILY, i called my local video store who has the season 2 tapes (or i would probably have gone insane).  TWENTY TWO more episodes to go!  i'm looking forward to 'weirder', is what my parents said it got when they watched it religiously back in 1990.  my favorite episode was #2, (of course, lynch directed) overall but mostly because of the incredible ending in the red room.  i want more weird like that!  i take back anything i ever said about lynch that wasnt glowing, i'm a fan!


(http://www.jamesmorgan.com/twinpeaks/images/tpsp42.jpg)

My log has something to tell you: "Wait until you get to episode 14."
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Henry Hill on March 25, 2004, 04:14:39 PM
i might have to jump on this bandwagon. Twin Peaks sounds cooler every day.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on March 25, 2004, 09:05:06 PM
i just watched the two hour season two opener.  HOLY SHIT. :shock:
the last MINUTE was INSANE.  like INSANE.  screaming and crazy bloody people, INSANE.

Quote from: GoneSavage
Side topic - Sherilyn Fenn or Lara Flynn Boyle?

in the first few episodes it would have been a toss up for me, but now DEFNITELY fenn.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 25, 2004, 09:11:11 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
i just watched the two hour season two opener.  HOLY SHIT. :shock:
the last MINUTE was INSANE.  like INSANE.  screaming and crazy bloody people, INSANE.


"The owls are not what they seem."

Quote from: themodernage02
Quote from: GoneSavage
Side topic - Sherilyn Fenn or Lara Flynn Boyle?

in the first few episodes it would have been a toss up for me, but now DEFNITELY fenn.


Pfft. Madchen Amick.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on March 25, 2004, 09:57:25 PM
okay i know i keep talking about this and not really saying anything, but !!!! OH MY GOD!  second episode of season two was great! the goddamn last 5 minutes after they sing that song and lauras cousin 'sees' the guy walking towards her from behind the couch, is the absolute scariest thing ive seen since the girl climbing out of the tv at the end of the ring.  TERRIFYING.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on March 25, 2004, 10:30:40 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Pfft. Madchen Amick.


oh yeah, that's who i thought we were talking about.

i was watching magdalene sisters tonight and one of the girls reminded me of amick. amick was the hottest. by far.

i'm STILL waiting for season 2 dvd's. it killed me when i finished the season one boxed set almost a year ago and couldn't finish the fucking series. KILLED me!
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Weak2ndAct on March 25, 2004, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
the guy walking towards her from behind the couch, is the absolute scariest thing ive seen since the girl climbing out of the tv at the end of the ring.  TERRIFYING.

Yeah, it's pretty much the scariest thing ever.  'Bob' has given my sister nightmares for years.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on March 27, 2004, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
(http://www.jamesmorgan.com/twinpeaks/images/tpsp42.jpg)

My log has something to tell you: "Wait until you get to episode 14."

 :shock:  i just watched episode 14.  :shock:
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 27, 2004, 11:49:37 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
:shock:  i just watched episode 14.  :shock:


"It is happening...again."
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: rustinglass on March 28, 2004, 04:25:29 AM
The show is running now in a portugues tv channel.

SPOILERS

Yesterday was the episode that Leo wakes up and attacks Shelley.
I think the show got boring after Leland died I hope it starts getting interesting again soon.
David Duchovny transvestite...funny.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on April 16, 2004, 11:03:09 PM
okay, wow.  we JUST finished watching the entire series.  (all thats left is FIRE WALK WITH ME which we are rabidly anticipating.)  well, lets see...

okay, when i heard that the first season was great and the second wasnt as good i tried to remain optimistic.  and when i got through the first season i was so obsessed i couldnt even IMAGINE how it could ever get bad.  when i watched the first few episodes of season two, i thought they were as good or even better than anything in season one so i thought i was in the clear.  in fact, every episode up till 14 i thought were all on an equal level of greatness.  each episode more engrossing, with further twists in the story and new character developments.  it was fantastic.

however, immediately after the killer was revealed in episode 14, the show didnt slowly go downhill.  it was an immediate drop from 20,000 feet.  episode 15-28 ranged from watchable to downright terrible.  when lynch left to do wah, (and who knows what the fuck frost was doing, but he should've kept a closer watch on things), they didnt know what to do with the show.  the entire windham earle storyline was handled just downright awfully.  just the worst villian of all time, inhabiting cheesy disguises and delivering hideously written dialogue he is perhaps one of the major factors for the shows decline.  hardly a replacement for BOB, this guy is a snidley whiplash mustache twirling plotting evil type of awful.  

also the addition of new characters (and coincidentally love interests) for audrey and cooper billy zane and heather graham were just so forced.  (not to mention the framing that almost happens when james leaves town and meets that woman!  ugh, puke).  believing that these characters would be motivated a certian way just didnt seem like they were being true to their characters at all.  plotlines in the first 14 episodes always seemed to develop organically, but everything after that seemed so forced like they were just reaching for anything, not having any clue where to take the show.  as a result it turned into a joke.  not creepy, the characters hardly resembled their earlier incarnations.  what had started out as "DAVID LYNCH DOES A SOAP OPERA" had simply become just "A SOAP OPERA".  and soap operas SUCK.  

it was really sad to watch those 14 or so just terrible episodes just holding my head in my hands going 'what happened?'.  the actors tried their bests but unfortunately werent given much to work with.  even with the revealing of the killer, or the introduction of coopers old partner, had lynch stuck around they could've made it good and interesting and weird.  the last episode compared to teh previous 14 was good, but not one of the best.  it was nice to spend so long in the red room, but the quick tying up of any other loose ends in the show and it ending on such a downer note was disappointing, *but as i realize by that point it was too late.  all lynch could do was take the reigns and ride off the cliff with his beloved creation.  possibly more thoughts later, or discussion if anyone wants it.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on April 17, 2004, 07:45:44 PM
mod-age.,

i see your points.about post 14 episodes..but you didn't like how those latter episodes were about the black/white lodge red room and the owl cave..and the mysterious sides/paranormal stuff in twin peaks?..i will admit that some sh*t was stupid..like nadine's super strength..its been a while since i rented the second season vhs tapes..but i still liked the second season just as much...and david duchovney..and david lynch show up in season 2... 8)

oh yeah..about fire walk w/ me ..i think you'll love it.....its more dark/disurbing than the tv series which put off some but it delves also into the mysterious aspects in season 2 black lodge/white lodge ...red room..its a good comopanion piece to the latter half os season 2......also, its just flat out brilliant sh*t....it works as a beautiful stand alone film too......
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on April 17, 2004, 07:53:41 PM
i like the idea of the black and white lodges, but the execution was terrible.  if lynch hadnt returned for the final episode there wouldn't have been any payoff on them at all.  i wont say the second season was terrible, because the first 7 or so episodes are great but after episode 14 there is a huge and immediate drop in quality.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 17, 2004, 08:17:33 PM
Lynch said that he never wanted the mystery to end, but felt somewhat pressured to by ABC. ABC also changed the night Twin Peaks aired, which didn't sit too well with him either. So when you watch Fire Walk With Me, as soon as the opening credits end, you might get an indicator about Lynch's experience in working in television, or it could be a message that this movie is nothing like the tv show. You decide.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Ghostboy on April 17, 2004, 08:30:34 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
So when you watch Fire Walk With Me, as soon as the opening credits end, you might get an indicator about Lynch's experience in working in television, or it could be a message that this movie is nothing like the tv show. You decide.


Man, that was a truly brilliant way to open the movie.

Themodernage, I'm anxious to hear what you think about the movie. My immediate expectation? You won't like it, and you especially won't like the first thirty minutes. Or possibly vice versa.

It took me two viewings of it to really appreciate the whole thing -- the first time I saw it, I hadn't seen the show, so of course I had no idea what was going on. The second time, I had just finished watching the entire series, and was able to appreciate it, but still found it jarring. Now, it's grown on me, and while I still have problems with the first act, there are some things about those early sequences that I think are amazing, too.

I think what gets most people is that, while the show was disturbing, it only hinted at the things that Lynch explores in the movie, and it also had a charming colloquial air that is entirely absent in FWM.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on April 17, 2004, 10:44:35 PM
pic. spoiler for FWWM



don't look if you haven't seen the film yet....












(http://www.wayney.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tpfw.jpg)
-this is pure genius..that one pic sums up twim peaks for me..and just more reasons why lynch is phucking amazing...the colors..the props/production designs....his sounds he creates.....this sequence and also..the one w/ bowie and the whole "we're not going to talk about judy"..
flat out briliance...there is no other director working to day that conveys so much w/ energy and sound and just surreal beauty.....well, malick would be a close second......
also, there are some funny stuff in thet film w/ isaac and sutherland...
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on May 08, 2004, 12:24:10 AM
Quote from: Ghostboy
Themodernage, I'm anxious to hear what you think about the movie. My immediate expectation? You won't like it, and you especially won't like the first thirty minutes. Or possibly vice versa.

well, i hate to be pegged down so easily but i have to agree with you.  i just watched Fire Walk With Me which makes today a sad day for that was the last new entry in the Twin Peaks universe i'll ever get.  i did not hate the movie, or dislike it, in fact while watching it i was completely entranced but it didnt add up to a very satisfying experience.  

i was prepared for the movie not to be like the tone of the show, and not star many of the regulars and be dark and weird and knew that it was pretty universally panned when it came out.  BUT that didnt stop me from being incredibly excited to be able to go back into that universe one last time (and under lynchs COMPLETE control) to see what else he had for us.  but unfortunately it was not much else.  

chris isaak's acting was awful, and i can see how on paper the opening 30 wiht the detectives might've been a sort've quirky return to the tone of the show and had the casting been better i might've felt that way about it.  but, like you thought i would think, it seemed rather pointless. like, had the movie opened with the cooper saying he knew somethign would happen agian and he didnt know where, we would'nt have been any worse off.  so the opening seemed a bit pointless.  also: the scene where they decipher what the girl meant was just horrendous.  and i couldnt figure out if it was how it was written, or just how they delivered the dialogue.  (like, i kept thinking 'if cooper had said this, would it have been funny/cool?')  

characters seemed to do things that werent in their characters.  (i dont believe that donna would've done anything other than drag laura immediately out of the bar when she followed her there).  laura was supposed to be homecoming queen who had a dark underside nobody knew about, but in the film she was a spaz constantly, not to mention a whore and a drug addict.  how could everybody not have known the way she seemed to (not) hide it!

cooper IS twin peaks, so the task of making a film without (mostly) him is a feat of impossibility to begin with.  and the idea of lynch who loves to fly by the seat of his pants doing a PREQUEL was not a sound one simply because fans of the show know everything that comes afterwards and everything has to match up or its inconsistent.

the main problem of the film though, even forgiving all those faults is that it didnt seem to really do what i thought it would which was delve a little deeper into the mysteries of twin peaks.  it didnt help me get any closer to solving any of the mysteries, or lay out any new ones for me to ponder.  the film was a by the numbers recreation of the events we'd been told all about over the course of the series 30 episodes.  so, my problem was that it didnt DO anything besides just connecting the dots.

oh, except for david bowie.  what the hell was that all about?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on May 08, 2004, 10:04:10 PM
Quote from: themodernage02

the main problem of the film though, even forgiving all those faults is that it didnt seem to really do what i thought it would which was delve a little deeper into the mysteries of twin peaks.  it didnt help me get any closer to solving any of the mysteries, or lay out any new ones for me to ponder.  the film was a by the numbers recreation of the events we'd been told all about over the course of the series 30 episodes.  so, my problem was that it didnt DO anything besides just connecting the dots.

oh, except for david bowie.  what the hell was that all about?


......No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(  :(  :( .................you must watch it again.........

man, ....well here s my take on the film....and yes it s bias since i m down w/ lynch.but first off i can see why you would be put off w/ the darker tone of twin peaks.......as ghostboy mentioned in the tv series twin peaks(the universe) has a certian breeze of 'cozy' feel to it....and fire walk w/ me(fwwm) is harsh...............bu ti l tell you what i think abou tthe film and in turn it may help yopu see my poitn or answer you questions.......but.

>the first 30 mins ..are awesome ..i like the dialogue abetween the two characters..it s phuckign funny like the sh*t in the diner and when the ugly waitress says something like you "wanna hear about the specials?"..."we aint got no specials"...that sh*t is funny to me.and that type of cheesy(?) humor is spread throughout the first 30 mins......also, i love the whole mystery  about  what happened to issac after he grabbed the ring.....it s open to debate and personal inquiries.........my guess is that he went into one of the lodges........

>another thing is i love it when lynch was in the tv series and his whole scene with the 'blue rose case"....and the nasty chick w/ the red hair......i dont tknow its just cool to me to see lynch 'acting'.and onscreen

>mod-age, you mentioned about what happend w/ bowie's character......i believe he went to one the lodges and then dissapeared but before he explained about about his experiences...IMO opinion what happened and where bowie's character went is about to happen to issac's character.....there are countless opinions and you may want to look around on the net for twin peaks related stuff......i did myself and it helped me appreciate a phenomenal experience with an even better perspective.......

> i thought leland s performace was incredible..........makes me sad he was in jeepers screeper 2.........

>i loved all the surreral sh*t and wonderfull imagery in the film during bowie s'flasback' scene, or when laura goes inside the painting, the END....

>also, the scene with laura and donna in the (roadhouse ?)......was brilliant the music, the images, everything..........i loved that brooding and pounding music..

........there is so much more but it s been awile since i saw it last but......you are making want to start a marathon viewing soon.. :) ......but i did at first have the same reactions the first time i saw it.........but watch it again give it another shot perhaps experience twin peaks this way....

the way i watch it is [FWWM, season one, season 2, FWWM].it sthe bestr way IMO...........

oh and one lasst thing.......there has been major talk about the deleted scenes in FWWM.i think that there is a total of 30 mins of cut material that adds SIGNIFICANTLY!!!! to the story........but lynch want s to have the scenes scored and composed w/ the same amount of artistic value as the theatrical feature.. but that takes time and $$$$$$$$$$.........so who knows when or if we'll see them...........
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Keener on June 02, 2004, 01:30:53 AM
I'm currently addicted to this show like a madman. I made the mistake of renting the pilot from work, and it was the tacked-on ending version. Still, I'm engaged in the show regardless. I just wish I had known better. I'm to episode 4 and am getting the second season on KaZaA so I can watch Fire Walk with Me.

Has anyone seen the SNL parody? It's also available on KaZaA. The SNL cast do the Peaks characters they do well, especially Hartman as Leland. I was hoping Victoria Jackson would do Lucy (it only makes sense!) but she does a good Audrey.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: foray on July 29, 2004, 01:52:28 AM
Here's some interesting philosophical tangents that stem from Twin Peaks the series:

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Twin Peaks 1 is a television detective serial that revolves around the question of who killed Laura Palmer, a small town American sweet heart. For two seasons the show followed an FBI agent as he unravelled a seemingly endless web of connections between this dead prom queen and the shady underworld of a north-west logging community. Rather than proceeding along a logical path of clues to the murderer, the FBI agent Dale Cooper, becomes more and more intwined in the world that he interprets. The murderer, known as Killer Bob, has a puzzling proximity. He lurks in the shadows of this film noir town, but he also occupies the unmarked roads and abandoned cabins of the unconscious. For most of the series Agent Cooper doesn't really try to clarify the contours of good and evil in Twin Peaks, instead he demonstrates how to live in such a complicated world. When the show is cancelled a killer is finally revealled under a certain amount of contractual obligation, but by this stage the case of Laura Palmer has posed too many problems to be resolved by a single arrest. The creators, David Lynch and Mark Frost have produced a world where the interpretation of signs is an ongoing project that makes things move, change, or to use a Deleuzo-Guattarian term, "become".
 

Strictly speaking, Twin Peaks can not be soley attributed to Lynch and Frost. During the second season a variety of film makers were invited to try their hand at the Twin Peaks formula. And the show generated publications such as Laura Palmer's Diary and a travel guide to the imaginary town, which offered different author's perspectives on Twin Peaks. To blur boundaries further Twin Peaks not only extends itself through different authors but it invents new roles for Lynch and Frost. On American television Lynch and Frost produced their own commercial breaks, using actors from the cast. When the series was cancelled they made a feature length prequel based on the days leading up to Laura's murder. And Lynch not only produces, writes, and directs various episodes, but he acts the part of Agent Cooper's FBI mentor, who occassionally totters into Twin Peaks offering advice. But attributing specific contributions doesn't really help us understanding how this dynamic called Twin Peaks works. The Lynch-Frost assemblage outlines a plane of consistency, a vibrating plateau of matter, across which meaning is developed through unpredictible encounters. And this is the rub, I mean this is why Twin Peaks interests me in the context of my larger interest in the methodological implications of Gilles Deleuze's work for writers in the visual arts. Twin Peaks is a world very much like our own, where interpretation has no stable basis; a world where the credibility of underlying psycho-analytic, sociological, or linguistic structures has rapidly waned. The meaning of Twin Peaks the television series, and Twin Peaks the murder mystery, can't be reduced to such a priori structures, but conversly, it involves more than the romantic freeplay of meaning unfolded in a show like Northern Exposure. There is a certain weight in the movements of the opening sequence, which creates a sense of necessity within the chaos of this world. Following Deleuze and Guattari, I want to call this composition of meaning a "plane of consistency."
 

 Twin Peaks begins with a question: `whatever could have happened to give us this?' Deleuze and Guattari claim that this fundamental relation to secrecy characterizes the novella as a literary genre. The novella "enacts postures of the body and mind that are like folds or envelopments . . . states of the body when it is surprised by something that just happened. 2 In the opening scenes of Twin Peaks we are given a series of postures acted on by something imperceptible. A girl runs across the school yard screaming, a mother cries, unknown characters tremble with fear. Intense close-up shots of faces, phones, and rotating fans reverberate with the secrets which are folded up in their postures. The present moment appears with a suspended kind of significance. The past has a indiscernible immediacy.3
We've seen this element of suspended surprise in Lynch's work before, particularly in early films such as The Grandmother (1970) and Eraserhead (1977). The vomiting torsos and decomposing figures in Lynch's paintings and installation works similarly pose a question to the past: Something harrowing has happened, but what? Mark Frost on the other hand, is known for writing television scripts such as Hill Street Blues. A television serial is more like a tale than a novella, because it is excited by the future. Hill Street Blues is exemplary in this respect. From the hectic morning briefing at the beginning of each episode, the actors move rapidly through a series of attitudes and positions to a point of fatigue or frustration at the end of the day. Every day in the police force is a new day of discovery. Deleuze and Guattari explain that this type of "tale is the opposite of the novella, because it is an altogether different question that the reader asks with bated breath: What is going to happen?" 4

These two aspects of time - the secrecy of the past in Lynch and the encounter with the future in Frost - are brought together in Twin Peaks. We can call this a plane of consistency; a dynamic mode of composition which holds together divergent forces in a zone of intensity or multiplicity.

 When Deleuze writes about these vibrating planes of consistency, he is not simply opposing the multiple to the One, or the chaotic to the linear. Deleuzean multiplicities have their own principles of organization, which prevent them from being recuperated by a dialaectical exchange between the multiple and the One. This is evident in the way that Deleuze and Guattari zig-zag their theory of literary time between the novella, the (detective) novel, and the tale. Together they constitute a "determinable multiplicity" which is not ordered from above, but organized from within. Different signs express these vectors of time from different perspectives, and consequently create new lines and tangents of duration. The field of forces defined by this particular constellation seems to be derived from Nietzsche's model of the dice throw; an important point of reference in Deleuze's theory of time.
In Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra, the metaphor of the dice throw is used to construct an alternative to dialectical progression. Deleuze explains that there are two moments in the game of dice: the moment when the dice are thrown (on the earth's table of immanence), and the moment when they fall back in a certain combination (on the transcendent table of the sky). 5 The first moment, which is highlighted in the tale genre, refuses control and order by affirming the chance of future encounters. As we throw the dice or follow the tale, we don't look elsewhere for difference to be determined, we expect differences to arise internally, from the immanent field of possibilities. In Nietzschean terms this is the "being of becoming"; pure multiplicity. In the second moment, something is performed within the chaotic world unravelled by the throw. The dice fall back, or a posture is enacted, uniting all the fragments of chance in a single moment. A coherent whole is formed, which affirms the neccesity of specific being, but because it is founded in chance this second moment cannot refer an a priori structure or order that might maintain it. Like the suspended postures of the novella, this second moment expresses the turbulent immediacy of a previous moment. Nietzsche says that it is the return of the first moment. Or as Michael Hardt explains, "the two moments imply one another as a perpetual series of shattering and gathering, as a centrifugal moment and a centripetal moment, as emanation and constitution." 6
 
 In the passage from A Thousand Plateaus where Deleuze and Guattari discuss literary genres, the detective novel is actually described as a genre which tends to seperates these two moments and order them into a teleological progression. The single moment in question for the detective, has already happened and remains to be discovered. In terms of the dice throw, the detective relies on a large number of throws before he obtains the `truth' of this past event. This is essentially a warning by D&G not to separate the past, present, and future into discrete periods, and to always be concerned with their necessary complicity, even when one dimension dominates. The creators of Twin Peaks understand this complication, and know how to accept every fall of the dice. The series begins with the second moment of specific being, but this already appears within the chaotic unfolding of the television series. Lynch and Frost twist the detective genre, so that it tenders an ambiguous, two-fold relation with time, which is necessary for movement through multiplicities.
When the postures in the opening scenes of Twin Peaks, folded and moulded by something imperceptible, begin to unfold it becomes clear that Lynch and Frost are not interested in an answer. The unfolding does not explain the postures as much as it complicates them in a dice game which combines characters, serialises subjectivity, and extracts meaning from the internal and ever changing resonnances distributing the plane of consistency. When the crying faces of Laura's mother and the policeman photographing Laura's body fall back it seems that they must have both been very close to the dead girl, but despite having the same combination on their faces, the similarity of their postures lies in difference. The policeman is a softy who can't help crying when he has to deal with something tragic, and the mother's hysteria is so excessive, eventually manifesting itself in visions, that she seems to be effected by something even she does not understand. The different moments of the series are not linked together in a logical way, rather, the unfolding of attitudes and positions concealed in the postures is a complication and diversification of being. Each stage of unfolding is a repetition of the internal difference involved in the present moment. As Howard Hampton has observed, the postures of Twin Peaks "begin a dialogue among themselves" which work against any linear reading of the storyline. 7 The concept of becoming that we find in Twin Peaks plays havoc with common-sense notions of time to the point where the episodes can be enjoyed out of sequence, and a prequel can still keep people interested even though Laura's murderer has been revealed.
 
 
 This play of sameness and difference is produced by the eternal repetition of difference in every posture. The posture of a body, which is the moment of being, is always returning as another synthesis of the flow of chance which unfolds around it. The dice player who accepts every throw brings the two moments together in a whole which has no opposites, no limitable other, but which is always open ended and dynamic. This is the non-dialectical synthesis which Nietzsche called the eternal return; the eternal return of the same as different.
Later in the first series, Agent Cooper persuades the local law inforcement team to set up a rather wacky Ouija-board-cum-game-of-chance, designed to help direct the investigation. After taking them into the forest and giving them a short speech on the Dali Lama, he assigns each of them a role in harnessing the forces of his perculiar game of chance. The sheriff calls out the names of suspects, one deputy holds a pail of rocks which Cooper methodically throws at a bottle carefully set up some distance away by another deputy, and the secretary takes cryptic notes on a blackboard.

Like the viewer, Agent Cooper is trying to make his way through this web of complications. Each clue to the murder and each posture of a suspect is in excess of itself, sticky with the complications and connections of multiplicity. As the interpreter of signs, Cooper never ceases making connections, linking up semiotic chains, bringing new dimensions of time - dream time, historical time, baseball time - into play. Cooper accepts the violence of signs. He is affected by the encounter. In the Tibetan forest scene, for instance, the letter `J' and a disjointed dream affect his body in such a way that its cognitive faculties are redistributed to create a body with an open assemblage of organs; a body set free from the organism. the police force turns into a giant brain, relaying its thoughts back and forth between a bucket, a milk bottle, and a blackboard. Along with Zarathustra, Agent Cooper might exclaim: "in an instant I shall be nothingness . . . the complex of causes in which I am entangled will recur - it will create me again! I myself am part of these causes of the eternal recurrence."8

If both the subject of the investigation and the signs being interpreted are produced within this radical becoming, then the meaning of signs can not be derived from a preexisting linguistic structure, nor can the investigator assume a critical distance from the world which entangles and creates him. In these conditions the subject becomes an image or a screen, a sign amoung other signs. Expressing a turbulent universe in the specificity of his or her being. Synthesising divergent series in the repetition of his or her postures.

Felix Guattari might describe this type of subject as the "true art work", that is, "the infinite body . . . moving through all the incredible mutations of any one life time."9 It is this post-human aestheticism which Twin Peaks tenders so well; the body as an art work, truth as a continually reconstituted fiction. Nietzsche applauds art for precisely this ability to magnify falsehood, to raise a world of pure appearance and error. "What is required", Nietzsche explains, "is to stop courageously at the surface, the fold, the skin, to adore appearance, to believe in forms, tones, words . . . to be superficial out of profundity."10 This type of modal existence displaces all fixed notions of identity to make room for a rich system of creative intensities.

It is when we reach this threshold of surface tensions, learn to work with affected faculties, and begin operating by contracting and dilating the movement of the images we encounter, that we might grasp what Deleuze means when he says: "My ideal, when I write about an artist, would be to write nothing that could cause him sadness, or if he is dead, that might make him weep in his grave. Think of the artist you are writing about. Think of him so hard that he can no longer be an object, and equally so that you can not identify with him. Avoid the double shame of the scholar and the familiar. Give back to an artist a little of the joy, the energy, the life of love and politics that he knew how to invent."11

Stephen O'Connell
1995


http://www.arts.monash.edu.au/visarts/globe/teaks.html


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Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Bethie on August 23, 2004, 02:21:42 AM
I have been meaning to start watching Twin Peaks for months. Today I rented/watched the pilot episode. I'm intrigued and excited to start watching the series. yay for me!

Quote from: Keener
I made the mistake of renting the pilot from work, and it was the tacked-on ending version.


ut oh. I may have done that too.       :?    :?:
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Bethie on September 13, 2004, 12:37:12 AM
I just finished Season 1.  Those bastards sticking me with "To Be Continued"  shit!  What happens to Agent Cooper at the end  :shock: .  I'm predicting he's wearing a bullet proof vest yes?



Silly me not reading this whole thread until after I finished watching the pilot. sooo uhhh I already know who killed Laura Palmer cause I *accidently* watched the tacked on scenes on the VHS. :oops:  oops. Regardless, I still love this show.

To play along with the boys on who the finest chick is- I also have to go with Fenn. She does a great job at playing the vindictive bitch

Anyone else think Bobby is a fag? He tries to be all cocky and tough but this kid is just not pulling it off. I laughed my ass off though in episode 5 when his parents and him go to Dr. Lawrence Jacoby for a  counseling session.

How come Laura's cousin didn't drink that coke that James bought her in episode 3?!?! That just upset me a little
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 13, 2004, 12:46:09 AM
Quote from: Bethie
Silly me not reading this whole thread until after I finished watching the pilot. sooo uhhh I already know who killed Laura Palmer cause I *accidently* watched the tacked on scenes on the VHS. :oops:  oops.


Not really. While the second season does use some of those tacked on scenes in certain episodes, the killer is different.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Bethie on September 13, 2004, 01:15:03 AM
ohhhhhh fo real? sweet deal kid  8)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on September 13, 2004, 11:30:26 AM
did you know that at oberlin they teach a twin peaks course?

anyway, i've been waiting for those fucking dvd's of season 2 (weren't they supposed to be out by fall 2004?) and just decided i couldn't wait. i had downloaded all of season 2, but some episodes are missing, so i just decided to spend $60 on the video set and after i watch them all i'm going to sell them for the same amount and wait for the dvd's. such a PAIN IN THE ASS! i have, however, gotten up to episode 10. it is starting to get weird. very different from season 1.

anyway, WHERE THE FUCK ARE THOSE SEASON 2 DVD'S?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 13, 2004, 01:19:12 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz
anyway, WHERE THE FUCK ARE THOSE SEASON 2 DVD'S?


From Dugpa.net:

August 22nd 2004
Twin Peaks Season 2 International Release Quarter 2 2005

Word has it that the world outside of US and Canada will be seeing Twin Peaks: Season 2 on DVD in Quarter 2 2005. Lets hope that those transfers are as good as the Season 1 set.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 13, 2004, 11:38:49 PM
I just finished the first season. My favorite episodes are definitely 2 and 3.

I watched "Fire Walk With Me" before anything, though. I guess I started watching the show because I loved the movie. Much of the show is disappointing (I guess because Lynch doesn't direct everything), especially the shock of watching episode 4 right after 2 and 3.

And I haven't seen the pilot... should I buy the tape or an import DVD?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on September 14, 2004, 03:15:48 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman

And I haven't seen the pilot... should I buy the tape or an import DVD?


JB... :!:

heres my input:
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6302814596.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
..this is the vhs pilot...it features "footage not broadcast" which means thats the stuff you need to skip/stop watching[basically, the last 15-20 mins.>>>right after luara palmer's mom awakens and screams stop it!!!]

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005V54S.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
this is the import dvd pilot...which you can watch w/o fear of spoiling anything...the quality is slightly better than the vhs tape...the audio is worse...but even still, its passable and watchable...plus if you get the dvd you will be treated to some of the worst trailers for films that will make you cry in disgust...they are awful-but amusing nonetheless..and there maybe some text based features also but nothing really special...

IMHO, i would get the dvd cause i just like dvds....but the fact that the quality of the dvd sucks and the vhs is cheaper you might want to go that route...

hope this helps... 8)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 14, 2004, 04:16:02 PM
But Jeremy already watched "Fire Walk With Me," so he's already been exposed to major spoilers. I'd go with the VHS just for the novelity of seeing how the ending was summed up for overseas audiences.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 14, 2004, 06:39:31 PM
Excellent... I'll get right on it.

All that said, how much of the second season and beyond is really worth it? Like Episode 14?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on September 15, 2004, 02:25:03 PM
everything up till 14 is pretty much the high point of the show.  then forget about it.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Ghostboy on September 15, 2004, 03:58:16 PM
The last three are good, I think. Everything between is not.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Bethie on September 17, 2004, 02:14:30 AM
Quote from: themodernage02
okay i know i keep talking about this and not really saying anything, but !!!! OH MY GOD!  second episode of season two was great! the goddamn last 5 minutes after they sing that song and lauras cousin 'sees' the guy walking towards her from behind the couch, is the absolute scariest thing ive seen since the girl climbing out of the tv at the end of the ring.  TERRIFYING.


Oh my god. I was JUST about to mention that. When that happened, I freaked. I had to cover my eyes. No lie.


I watched that episode earlier tonight.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: cine on September 17, 2004, 02:18:36 AM
Quote from: Bethie
I had to cover my eyes. No lie.

Wuss.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Bethie on September 25, 2004, 12:39:13 AM
Earlier I watched episodes 12, 13, & FOURTEEN.

I read this topic and noticed a lot of talk about 14.  I was waiting, and what hit me, I was not ready for.

Fourteen was almost the death of me. I did not see that coming. I was more than shocked. When it was over I had to rewind it to watch again.

At the end of episode 13, the one armed man totally gives it away in that speech he gives at the police station. Then in 14, when Cooper is reading Laura's "Secret Diary." It's all coming together now...
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 25, 2004, 12:47:10 AM
In Fire Walk With Me, the Man from Another Place says that he's "the arm"... that means he's the one-armed man's missing arm, right?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on September 25, 2004, 10:36:44 AM
yeah, i think so.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 05, 2004, 11:30:40 PM
I got the pilot, and it's great, although the video quality bothered me much more than I thought it would. The last segment is worth the sacrifice.

And I realized that Elvis Costello's "Watching the Detectives" is Audrey's theme song.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 29, 2004, 06:33:13 AM
First Review of the MK2 Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me DVD Region 2

(http://boutique.mk2.com/images/photo/zoom/twin.jpg)

See the first review in French of the new DVD by clicking here. (http://www.resetmag.com/HTML/newsext.asp?InfoID=8029)

Apparently the final specs on the DVD are as follows:
 
40 Page Booklet
Original Film Cel
DVD Limited to 20,000 Copies
5.1 English DD & DTS
5.1 French DD
20 Minute Clip of Interviews that seem to be from an Archive

Screenshots here. (http://www.ecranlarge.com/menus-dvd-365.php)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on November 29, 2004, 11:34:33 PM
SPOILERS FOR SEASON 2

finished season 2 over the weekend and got really depressed. i nearly cried at what happened to coop and audrey and pete martell (didn't really give a shit about andrew, he sucked). i guess i was happy about lucy and andy... that was the only good thing that happened. and donna sucks in the second season. her character is totally pointless, as was james, but at least he left. they really could have done so much more in this season if they had cut out certain plotlines (and to all you haters out there... nadine was always one of my favorite characters. i thought her superstrength plot was funny, and i really liked when she snapped out of it). i wish they had a third season where they just totally ditch the whole soap opera formula and really delve into twin peaks and the mystery of the black/white lodge. i can't believe they would end the show on such a downer...  :cry:

oh well. now i have to go out and get the movie.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: brockly on April 18, 2005, 03:40:33 AM
*******LAURA PALMER’S KILLER SPOILERS*****










I just watched the “introduction to david lynch” doc on the first season dvd without having seen the second season. At the end of it some asshole says something like (over a shot of Laura’s father) “Twin Peaks is about an abusive father and its showing you why Laura had to die, because she was being abused.”

If Laura’s father turns out to be the killer, what a fucking burn  :( Even if he's not, this is obviously a major spoiler for the 2nd season since there's nothing about him being abusive in the first season. Ah well, as long as the 2nd season is as rewatchable as the first up until the reveal i won't really mind
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on April 18, 2005, 09:35:14 AM
SPOILERS
yeah, you ruined it for yourself.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 16, 2005, 11:58:00 PM
New Twin Peaks TV Movies?
Agent Cooper may return for telefilms.

A return to the Great Northern may not be in his future, but Agent Dale Cooper, Kyle MacLachlan's character from the popular David Lynch TV series Twin Peaks, may be returning to the small screen.

There are fresh rumors that Lynch, currently shooting a new film called Inland Empire, is considering doing a series of Twin Peaks-inspired TV movies. A tipster over at Dark Horizons recently completed two days of work on the picture and reportedly overheard some details of the project. "The [Director of Photography], who I'd met at lunch... talked to a group of us and said David and Kyle are thinking about doing some 'Dale Cooper' telemovies - the dude he played on TV. Nothing to do with Twin Peaks, I guess, just that character."

The 1990s TV series featured MacLachlan as FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper, a man investigating the death of a young girl named Laura Palmer in the small Washington town of Twin Peaks. As he delves deeper into her mysterious demise, Cooper begins to uncover the secrets of the town and realizes that something much more significant that a single murder has taken place.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on August 17, 2005, 07:05:53 AM
WOW.


this seems like 'boogie nights 2' levels of 'not happening' but it would be great, huh?  as long as HBO is what TV means.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on August 21, 2005, 05:36:48 PM
too bad the good dale is TRAPPED IN THE BLACK FUCKING LODGE! COME ON! WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SUPPOSED TO MEAN? DOESN'T THIS "TIPSTER" KNOW THAT HE'S RATTLED THE EMOTIONS OF TWIN PEAKS FANS EVERYWHERE?! HE DIDN'T GET OUT OF THE COCKADOODIE CAR!
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on November 27, 2005, 08:14:08 PM
NOW THAT I GOT THE SECOND SEASON...I FOUND OUT THE BEST WAY TO WATCH THE ENTIRE SERIES...INCLUDING FWWM...SPOILERS...........FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE KNOW I THINK I HAVE DISCOVERED THE BEST WAY TO EXPERIENCE TH TWIN PEAKS UNIVERSE...I USE TO DO FWWM>PILOT>SEASON 1>SEASON 2...THEN BACK INTO FWWM [B/C I LIKE A MORE UPLIFTING FINALE] THAN HAVING THE BAD COOPER SMASING HIS HEAD ON THE BATHROOM WINDOW IN THE GREAT NORTHERN...NOW, I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD WATCH FWWM UP UNTIL THE RED ROOM ANGEL SCENE W/ COOPER AND LAURA...THEN WATCH THE PILOT, SEASON ONE, SEASON TWO...THEN FINISH OFF THE LAST MINUTES W/ LAURA GETTING HER ANGEL....YOU GET A GREAT POSITVE FEELING FROM THE SERIES THAT WAY...I LIKE TO THINK OF IT IN THE TERMS THAT THE GOOD DALE WHOSE "TRAPPED IN THE LODGE" IS W/ LAURA AND SORT OF HELPS "SAVE" HER....WHICH EXPLAISN WHY THE LAST MINUTES OF FWWM COMPLIMENT THIS
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on December 04, 2005, 08:27:51 PM
in an effort to get more people to watch twin peaks i will try to do a peaks pic of the day....


(http://www.cenedra.com/twinpeaks/Episode6/pic24.jpg)
who shot waldo?  find out by watching twin peaks
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on December 05, 2005, 09:44:21 PM
(http://www.cenedra.com/twinpeaks/Episode18/pic23.jpg)
meet denise/dennis
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Pubrick on December 06, 2005, 09:26:21 AM
thanks for the spoilers. i'll make sure to never read this thread again..  :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 19, 2006, 01:49:04 PM
I just finished the series a week ago and my God, it was everything I ever wanted in a TV show. I can't wait to find out if and how they are going to do the dale cooper thing. *Spoiler, I guess* It was a real let down to see someone else in the role of Donna when I saw "Twin Peaks fire walk with me", Does anyone why that is? *End spoiler* But ya. I love that I have all the episodes but all on VHS but can't wait for them to all be on DVD.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 19, 2006, 02:01:20 PM
*Spoiler, I guess* It was a real let down to see someone else in the role of Donna when I saw "Twin Peaks fire walk with me", Does anyone why that is? *End spoiler*

It had to do with Lara Flynn Boyle not wanting to do the nudity.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 27, 2006, 12:48:11 PM
MK2 FWWM DVD in Fourth Quarter of 2007
Source: Dugpa

According to the French DVD site, DVDRAMA, they have been told that MK2 plans on releasing FWWM in a 2 Disc Collectors Edition. The article claims that bonus features will include over an hours worth of Deleted Scenes supervised by Lynch. Below is the text and a rough translation:
 
Une annonce qui fait l'effet d'un tollé d'autant plus que cette nouvelle édition, contrairement à la précédente sortie le 8 décembre 2004, devrait s'enrichir de scènes coupées d'environ une heure supervisées par David Lynch.
 
Of special note, this new edition, contrary to the original release on December 8, 2004, will contain approximately an hour of Deleted Scenes supervised by David Lynch.

 
While this sounds like great news, I have been told that news as of last week was that Lynch and MK2 were still in negotiations. Hopefully with the news from the INLAND EMPIRE Q&A and now this... maybe... something is happening... I'll post a confirmation as soon as I get something solid.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 17, 2006, 01:27:50 AM
Catherine Coulson at Twin Peaks Arizona Screening
 
Catherine Coulson attended a screening of the Twin Peaks Pilot and the Amputee this weekend. During the Q&A, unprompted by any specific question, she offered the following information: "When I ask David if we're done with Twin Peaks, he just smiles and says 'There are still stories to tell'." When asked "Does that mean the door is not closed on the future of Twin Peaks?" she said "Absolutely not closed."
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 25, 2007, 12:15:15 PM
From TheDigitalBits:

We've got a bit of an update for you today on CBS/Paramount's plans for David Lynch's Twin Peaks TV series on DVD in 2007. As most of you should know by now, the long-awaited Twin Peaks: The Second Season is already set to hit DVD on 4/10. Our sources are telling us that this release is designed for those who may already have Season One (released back in 2001 by Artisan/Republic) and the unaired pilot episode (released on DVD in Japan and available only as an import) on disc. However, for those of you who are patient and want it all in one shot... we're told to expect CBS/Paramount to announce a Twin Peaks: The Complete Series box set for release later in 2007 that contains both seasons AND the pilot episode, PLUS lots of newly-produced extras. Watch for details on the box set to be announced in the next few months.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: penfold0101 on May 03, 2007, 10:09:03 AM
OMG.......i thought it was never going to happen so i stopped looking!
Season 2 is released?!??!?!  :yabbse-grin:

:ponder: is there going to be an R2 release?
Doubt i could wait if there was!
Time to do a little search for this bad boy!
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on June 18, 2007, 10:21:23 PM
TVShowsonDVD.com Release Cover Artwork for new Twin Peaks "Definitive" Gold Box Set

TVShowsonDVD.com have released the artwork to what CBS/Paramount is calling a "Definitive" Twin Peaks Gold Box Set. While it is great news that the Pilot will finally be released in the US and remastered, one has to raise a few questions to CBS/Paramount. The number one question being "Will the Pilot be released separately for those that do not wish to buy the entire series again?" I get this question emailed to me on a regular basis and so I decided to contact CBS/Paramount to find out a few weeks back. Their response was that there were no plans at this time. Back to the new box set, one must also ask so what is it that makes this set the "Definitive" Gold Box set? Well, it seems they will be releasing the rest of the interviews that they saved over from the Season 2 box set along with some new ones that they have been shooting over the last few months. I also made a separate inquiry about whether or not they would address some of the audio issues that fans had complained about or if they would include the original 2.0 audio mixes as one would think that a "Definitive" set would include the original audio mixes. I was told that the masters were locked but the request would be "passed on" to the powers that be. Additional rumors that the Season 2 Soundtrack may be packaged with this release, but then again, if that happens, it will also b released as a stand alone CD. Finally, there has been much speculation on whether or not any of the TV Series Deleted Scenes will be included in this box set. After all we're talking about a "Definitive" Gold Box set here. Guess again. I have been told that Lynch agreed to do Deleted Scenes for this release but that CBS/Paramount, like New Line did not want to pay for the transfer costs that Lynch has requested to have the Deleted Scenes to the TV Series mastered properly. It's a sad day when you can buy a 4th Generation VHS to DVD bootleg transfer of Twin Peaks Deleted Scenes on Ebay but you can't find them anywhere on a so called "Definitive" Twin Peaks DVD set.

(http://dugpa.com/images/2007/TwinPeaks_DefinitiveGoldBox.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on June 18, 2007, 11:52:58 PM
fuck those greedy bastards. i'm making copies of the interviews and the damn pilot.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Ravi on June 19, 2007, 07:13:39 PM
I don't have any of the DVDs so I will pick this up.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Ghostboy on June 19, 2007, 07:19:51 PM
I held out specifically for this reason. Hooray!

I hope there are some Deputy Andy extra features.  :)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on June 19, 2007, 08:05:05 PM
taz, you're gonna have to make me a copy.  :yabbse-grin:
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on June 19, 2007, 08:12:51 PM
taz, you're gonna have to make me a copy.  :yabbse-grin:

B&P please...
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 06, 2007, 11:28:55 AM
Twin Peaks Box Set Still Under Construction
Source: Dugpa

I just wanted to give everyone a heads up that I have been told that the DVD producers are still working on the Twin Peaks box set and the extras are not yet set in stone. The final specs should be out in the next few months. We truly hope that CBS/Paramount will take this opportunity to deliver a box set with extras that the fans have been asking for. Enough said.


Twin Peaks Gold Box Cover Art Pulled from TVShowsonDVD.com
Source: Dugpa

I've gotten a few emails regarding TVShowsonDVD.com pulling the golden box art for the upcoming Twin Peaks "Definitive" Gold Box Set. All of the emails I have gotten has been very negative and are declaring victory over the Gold Box art.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 11, 2007, 11:39:59 AM
The Twin Peaks Gold Box DVD set is now officially scheduled for October 30th.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7635
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 23, 2007, 03:00:23 PM
*EFFING SPOILS

Exclusive Breaking News: MADCHEN AMICK SAYS DAVID LYNCH IS WORKING ON DEFINITIVE 'TWIN PEAKS' COMPLETE SERIES DVD
Actress also lets us in on the fate of Leo and Shelly Johnson and Bobby Briggs
Source: iF Magazine
 
THE SKINNY: So, since CBS released the TWIN PEAKS season 2 DVD set a few months back, fans have had mixed reactions to the fact that the special features were deeply unsatisfying for many who have waited the better part of a decade for the set and the fact that the first season and the pilot are no longer in print in the US market. All of this will soon be remedied. While iF MAGAZINE was at the CBS party this evening we spoke with Madchen Amick (Shelly from TWIN PEAKS) and she told us about a definitive DVD edition that is being worked on which will have the complete series plus the pilot. Even better, this is the first DVD release where David Lynch himself is directing some of the bonus material!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
iF MAGAZINE: What’s this new TWIN PEAKS DVD set you mentioned?
 
MADCHEN AMICK: It’s the first time that David has been involved in any of the behind the scenes stuff as far as a compilation of footage or commentary by producers and directors. They were able to put together the pilot and both series that will be released. So David directed the behind the scenes stuff.
 
iF: So did he have you and Dana Ashbrook work together again?

AMICK: No, he only had Kyle [Maclachlan], myself, he wanted the Log Lady [Catherine Coulson] but she couldn’t because something was going on with her family. He wanted it to be the four of us sitting around and reminiscing about the show.
 
iF: Has David ever talked with you about what happened to Shelly beyond the end of the series?

AMICK: No, because I know what happened to her. She stayed in the same damn place. [Laughs] She’s still chained to Leo. She’s still married to him.
 
iF: You don’t think Leo died?

AMICK: No, I think Leo lives forever. He’s handicapped and she’s still taking care of him.
 
iF: Bobby Briggs just left her?

AMICK: He comes and goes. I think they have a little thing, but she can’t quite leave her commitment to Leo.
 
iF: Now Bobby is just the town drunk?

AMICK: Exactly. He’s fat and drunk and bald. [Laughs]
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 26, 2007, 09:16:48 PM
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Inside-Comiccon-2007/Twin-Peaks-Definitive/800019404
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 02, 2007, 07:35:10 PM
Press Release:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7769
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on August 07, 2007, 08:51:29 PM
god i want those postcards...

fuuuuuuuuuuuck dilemma.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: john on August 07, 2007, 11:25:22 PM
Goddammit.

Looks like my season 2 is going up for sale.

I'm holding on to season 1, though, because the DVD artwork is cooler than this Gold box will ever be.

It'll be nice to watch that pilot again, too.

Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 24, 2007, 12:49:17 AM
A Twin Peaks (rip-off) videogame?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbbhwO7pRHA
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: matt35mm on September 24, 2007, 02:37:01 AM
A Twin Peaks (rip-off) videogame?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbbhwO7pRHA

A Twin Peaks (rip-off) videogame.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 16, 2007, 10:16:39 AM
Twin Peaks: Definitive Gold Box Edition
By Gary Frisch -- Video Business

> An impressive and comprehensive Twin Peaks box that contains everything except the cherry pie.

This box set is the first DVD incarnation of David Lynch’s Twin Peaks to offer the series’ two-hour pilot along with the rest of the episodes from seasons one and two. (Artisan’s 2001 release of the first season jarringly opened with a “previously on Twin Peaks” announcement—confusing, no doubt, fans expecting the whole story.) This new edition also is noteworthy for its plethora of extras, highlighted by the feature-length, Charles de Lauzirika-produced “Secrets From Another Place: Creating Twin Peaks.” Split into four parts, including one that appropriately covers the show’s memorable music, this take-no-prisoners documentary is refreshingly candid, especially when the various talking heads (Lynch is not among them) address the misguided second season. One producer notes that revealing Laura Palmer’s killer was the death knell of the show. “The whole second season pretty much sucked,” adds actress Kimmy Robertson. Lynch is present for “A Slice of Lynch,” leading a friendly roundtable recollection of the show with actors Kyle MacLachlan and Mädchen Amick. There also are deleted scenes, a video of MacLachlan’s appearance on Saturday Night Live and, most amusingly, Japanese coffee commercials featuring the cast.

Shelf Talk: With its distinctive gold packaging, this Gold Box Edition will draw some serious attention on the shelf. Crack it open and you’ll find 10 discs and a collection of “Greetings From Twin Peaks” postcards. The series has been issued before, so it might be hard to sell to anyone who owns earlier versions, but the inclusion of the pilot will be a substantial selling point to those who consider themselves “Peaks Freaks.” And to have the entire series in one box is tempting, making this gorgeous, shimmery box hard to resist.

Drama, color, NR (mature themes, violence, sexual situations), 1,501 min., 10-disc set $108.99
Extras: feature-length documentary, deleted scenes, interactive map, music video, Japanese commercials
Director: David Lynch
First Run: ABC-TV, 1990
Street: Oct. 30
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 19, 2007, 12:24:50 AM
Gold Box trailer here. (http://server.mammothnyc.com/twinpeaks/trailer/twinpeaks_clip_007_480x272.mov)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on October 26, 2007, 05:16:11 PM
David Lynch: Climbing the 'Peaks'
The cult-cinema director looks back on his landmark ''Twin Peaks'': How ABC ruined it, why he'd never work in TV again, and what, exactly, Agent Cooper is doing today.
By Jeff Jensen (ew.com)


''She's dead...wrapped in plastic...''

With these creepy words — intoned by the late Jack Nance — Blue Velvet director David Lynch and producer Mark Frost launched their deeply beloved, greatly irritating, and widely influential cult-classic TV series Twin Peaks in the spring of 1989. It was a smashing success...for a few weeks or so. Initially, the show became an international phenomenon thanks to its engrossing, aggressively marketed ''Who Killed Laura Palmer?'' mystery, quirky-cool hero (Kyle MacLachlan's pie-loving, coffee-swilling FBI agent Dale Cooper), and Lynch's auteur celebrity and distinctive brand of oddball wit, rich imagery, and atmospheric dread. But soon, viewers began tuning out in droves, alienated by the cryptically-plotted murder investigation, a deep dive into what the hell?! mysticism, and the general appearance of aimlessness. Following an erratically scheduled second season, the bizarre boomtown of Twin Peaks went bust in 1991.

Now, after years of delays, due to wrangling over rights to the show's two-hour Lynch-directed pilot (which itself remains one of great artistic achievements in TV history), Paramount is bringing the entire Twin Peaks experience — the pilot, plus the first and second seasons — to DVD. Dubbed Twin Peaks: The Definitive Gold Box Edition (see the EW review), the 10-disc set is loaded with extras, including deleted scenes (a rarity for a Lynch-authorized DVD), the rarely-seen and truly spooky alternate ending to the pilot (created for a feature-film version that was released abroad), cast and writer episodic commentaries, and documentaries tracking the creation of the series and the unique phenomenon it sparked. Once again, Twin Peaks lives — and it's wrapped in plastic, no less. An excited Lynch recently spoke with EW.com about Twin Peaks from Milan, where he was exhibiting a collection of his paintings.

You know this is a dream come true for Peaks freaks, don't you?
Well, yeah, it's kind of a dream come true for me, too, because the pilot has never been included with the series [on DVD], and now it is.

When I interviewed you a couple years ago about the history of Twin Peaks, you told me at that time that you love the whole notion of an ongoing, never-ending story, and that's really what you had hoped to achieve with Twin Peaks.
A continuing story, right.

Why is that a ''beautiful thing,'' to use one of your favorite expressions?
Because you can go deeper and deeper into a world and discover more and more things. A feature film has an ending. A continuing story doesn't. Eventually it could, but it can just go and go and go, and if the ideas keep flowing, it can be pretty thrilling.

In your imagination, is the Twin Peaks story still going?
Well, yes and no. Obviously, there is a lot more. And there are clues, not only in the series, but in the feature film, Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me [the poorly received 1992 prequel], that indicate something more, but I've never had a chance to go there.

Is there a chance that we could go there again?
I don't think so. On the Internet, maybe, but it's a big deal. It's a hungry medium, and it would take 100% focus to go there.

In your imagination, what's Agent Cooper doing right now?
[Pauses] I'd rather not say. [Laughs]

I know ABC asked you and co-creator Mark Frost to wrap up the Laura Palmer murder mystery much sooner than you wanted—
About 10 years sooner! [In a previous interview with EW, Lynch revealed that his original plan was to resolve the Laura Palmer murder mystery at the very end of the series. The idea was that the ongoing investigation into Palmer's murder would reveal mysteries within mysteries to be solved, crimes within crimes to bring to justice.]

In your mind, does that tarnish the way you personally feel about the Twin Peaks experience?
For sure. Like I was saying before, the question of what happened to Laura Palmer (Sheryl Lee) was the goose that laid the golden egg. Then ABC asked us to snip the goose's head off, and it killed the goose. And there went everything. It was never meant to be — there was so much more to the mystery....

This DVD has many extras — deleted scenes, commentaries, a conversation with you, Kyle Maclachlan and Madchen Amick (who played Shelly the waitress on the show) about the series. But in general, are you an extras kind of guy? Do you like to put that kind of stuff on your DVDs?
I believe that a film or a series stands on its own — I believe in the work the most. On the sidelines, extras can be very good. But it's a tricky business. Extras could possibly taint what's most important. But stories about the show or movie, or some deleted scenes — all of that can be good, okay. The conversation I had with Kyle and Madchen — they put us together in a kind of a Twin Peaks setting, and we had some pie together and talked. It was real nice. The cast of Twin Peaks was sensational. And there I was, after a long time, with Kyle and Madchen, and it was nice to go back in time and talk about things.

Twin Peaks introduced the world to your ''fondness'' for many things, including coffee. Last year, you launched your own line of coffee, David Lynch Signature Cup Coffee. How's the business treating you?
It's going good. Every business is tricky. The coffee is very, very good tasting. I drink it every day. I'm looking forward to getting it out into stores. A lot of cinemas are starting to take it, and that's cool — it's becoming like a cinema coffee. And it's fitting, because part of the profits goes to the American Film Institute, which helped put me on the map. So there are ideas in every bean, and great, great taste.

Nice tagline! Twin Peaks is an incredibly influential show, and inspired a lot of the great TV that's on today, including shows like Lost. Do you watch much TV? Have you kept track of what's out there?
No, I don't watch TV too much. Except when I travel. I haven't seen Lost.

You tried to return to TV a few years back with a pilot for a drama set in LA. When ABC passed on it, you famously salvaged the pilot and turned it into one of your most acclaimed movies, Mulholland Drive, which earned you an Oscar nomination for directing. Would you ever be tempted to work in TV again?
No. I'd go onto the Internet, because Internet is the new TV. [You can find some of Lynch's experiments in digital filmmaking and storytelling at his website, davidlynch.com.]

One last question: did you know that Ray Wise — who played Laura Palmer's demon-possessed father on Twin Peaks — is now playing the devil himself on a show called Reaper?
Didn't know that! Ray can play the very, very good side and the very, very bad side of people. I'm glad he's working away — but I hope it doesn't take him down playing the devil.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 26, 2007, 10:36:58 PM
Lynch Audio Commentary on Twin Peaks
Check out the slideshow over at The Washington Post.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2007/10/24/GA2007102400573.html
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: tpfkabi on October 29, 2007, 11:25:05 AM
i have yet to see any Twin Peaks, but the clips looked great.

what's the best deal on this?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 29, 2007, 04:36:59 PM
'Twin Peaks' gets its due at last
Did David Lynch break every rule in the TV book? A DVD set offers fascinating answers.
Source: Los Angeles Times

**CONTAINS SPOILERS**

FOR a series so widely acknowledged as a television landmark, David Lynch's "Twin Peaks" has received conspicuously shoddy treatment on the home-video front. The eight-episode first season was released in 2001 without the pilot; the second (and final) season arrived on DVD only last spring after extensive delays.

Now, finally, comes the edition fans have long been waiting for: a "definitive gold box" set, out Tuesday, that contains both seasons (all 29 episodes), the two-hour pilot (both the American and European versions) and abundant extras, including deleted scenes and four new documentaries. (All that's missing is "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me," the torrid 1992 prequel.)

An unlikely, perhaps unrepeatable phenomenon, "Twin Peaks" went from national sensation to ratings pariah in just over a year. (The final episode aired in June 1991, 14 months after the pilot.) Lynch's singular sensibility made the show an object of instant fan ardor, but for the general public -- and certainly for the network, ABC -- it soon proved alienating. "Twin Peaks," in other words, was a cult item that somehow found a mass audience and almost immediately suffered the consequences.

In its most basic outline, the show is a traditional whodunit, with a horrific central crime -- the murder of Laura Palmer (Sheryl Lee), a homecoming queen whose extracurricular activities were on the seamy side -- and a charmingly eccentric crime-solver, FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper (Kyle MacLachlan). But in its every detail, from Cooper's reliance on dream-based Jungian techniques to the decidedly high ratio of local eccentrics in this bucolic Pacific Northwest logging town, "Twin Peaks" is pure and surprisingly unadulterated Lynch.

While the characters and their quirks were strange, it was the less tangible stuff -- the moods and emotions the show stirred -- that in the context of prime time seemed even more unnerving: the panicky surge of hormones that envelops every teenage interaction, the grief-struck delirium of Laura's parents (played with intensity by Ray Wise and Grace Zabriskie), the bottomless terror lurking just beneath everyday banalities.

The point of contention was how quickly to solve the murder. Lynch and his co-creator, Mark Frost, wanted to prolong the mystery, but the network, citing viewer fatigue, grew impatient with the show's slowly developing cosmology and its penchant for offbeat tangents.

And so Lynch solved the case in unforgettable fashion -- in Episode 14, a quarter of the way into Season 2. Laura's father, Leland, possessed by a stringy-haired incarnation of evil known as Bob (Frank Silva), kills his daughter's lookalike cousin, Maddy (also played by Lee), just as he'd killed his own daughter. It's hard to imagine how Lynch got away with such a brutal act on network TV. Like the other episodes Lynch directed himself, this one is a marvel of sustained atmosphere. As Bob takes over Leland, a pall descends on the town. Most of the characters gather at the local tavern, some weeping uncontrollably as a wispy chanteuse (Julee Cruise) croons a disembodied love song.

This episode was the show's high point and also its death knell. Lynch and his team of writers and directors were clearly thrown off balance (and for part of the second season Lynch was also off making his Elvis- and Oz-inflected road movie "Wild at Heart"). After a few lackluster post-revelation episodes, "Twin Peaks" regained its composure, finding a new adversary for Agent Cooper in the form of his vindictive ex-partner, Windom Earle (Kenneth Welsh). But by then the series was, commercially speaking, a terminal case -- repeatedly bounced around the schedule by ABC, even stranded at one point in a Saturday-night wasteland.

But even in its last gasp "Twin Peaks" broke the rules. The brilliant finale, a byzantine and often terrifying mood piece as boldly avant-garde as anything Lynch has ever made, is, in its way, a deeply satisfying act of revenge. Having been forced to get to the bottom of his central mystery ahead of schedule, Lynch took his leave from the world of serial television with a defiant nonending, plunging further into his characters' haunted unconscious and posing many more questions than he answered.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on October 30, 2007, 12:49:25 AM
and for part of the second season Lynch was also off making his Elvis- and Oz-inflected road movie "Wild at Heart"

why does everybody get this wrong? he was editing wild at heart while simultaneously editing season one episodes of tp. i don't see how he could have continued working on a movie that was finished months before. just take a look at the release dates on imdb, la times, ya fuckin' whackadoos. where the hell are your fact checkers?

more like where the hell is my fucking life. i'm the biggest fucking nerd, i should just off myself. i'm sorry to my family and friends, i never meant to let you down. i swear it wasn't your fault, i was just too pathetic to live. really. i also want to say sorry to mod's dad. maybe i'll learn to make peace with fright night in the afterlife. goodbye xixax. goodbye world.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 30, 2007, 09:34:17 PM
IGN DVD review:

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/830/830919p1.html
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 31, 2007, 03:56:43 PM
IGN DVD review:

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/830/830919p1.html

that review made me mad that i traded in my season one and two dvds...i had no idea that season one was out of print...to the peoples who bought the new box set at retail stores, was there alot on the shelves..i plan to get the gold box by the weekend....

by the way that gold box is ugly...gold is tacky to me..i dont like gold teeth, gold watches, gold guido-like chains...the only gold i like is  the one found in pirate treausure chests....silver looks better...
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Ravi on November 03, 2007, 12:12:19 PM
The gold box is today's Family Video Steal of the Day at $59.98.  Coupon code NEWMEM5F gets you $5 off (for new customers only, I think, but its worth a shot if you're not a new customer).
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: edison on November 03, 2007, 02:23:03 PM
The gold box is today's Family Video Steal of the Day at $59.98.  Coupon code NEWMEM5F gets you $5 off (for new customers only, I think, but its worth a shot if you're not a new customer).

I have heard from others that one can become a new member just by supplying a new email, so do you dont need to have a second credit card or different address.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: SiliasRuby on November 06, 2007, 09:34:47 AM
PM, isn't that twin peaks series DVD set worth every penny or have you seen the quality of the picture yet?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Ravi on November 06, 2007, 01:50:44 PM
IGN DVD review:

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/830/830919p1.html

that review made me mad that i traded in my season one and two dvds...i had no idea that season one was out of print...to the peoples who bought the new box set at retail stores, was there alot on the shelves..i plan to get the gold box by the weekend....

by the way that gold box is ugly...gold is tacky to me..i dont like gold teeth, gold watches, gold guido-like chains...the only gold i like is  the one found in pirate treausure chests....silver looks better...

What this means is if you're a true Twin Peaks completist -- and this is the kind of show that has plenty of fans of that type -- you'll need to have both the Season 2 and Gold Box sets to get all of the interviews produced by Paramount, which is completely unnecessary considering they put both sets out within a few months of one another. Many fans knew a series set was likely coming soon and held off getting the Season 2 set for that reason. This seems like a calculated move to try to get a select portion of those fans to perhaps now reconsider and go back and buy the Season 2 set. It's hardly an uncommon move these days with DVDs, but never seems like fair play.

Ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 07, 2007, 09:18:19 AM
Interview with DVD Producer Charles de Lauzirika

The following interview was conducted over several days with DVD Producer Charles de Lauzirika.

 
Dugpa: How did you come to be a Twin Peaks fan?

Charles de Lauzirika: I had been a fan of David Lynch's work ever since I was 13 and saw "The Elephant Man" in theaters. It really floored me. It might have been the first time I ever cried during a movie. But it was so beautifully made, I followed David's career after that and was always inspired by his work. So years later, when I heard he was going to do a TV show called "Twin Peaks," I wondered, "How is he possibly going to adapt his style to television?," not realizing, of course, that he was going to force television to adapt to him. I managed to get tickets to the first public screening of the Pilot, at the L.A. County Museum of Art on Wilshire Blvd., which I remember being a few months before it aired on ABC. It was really like being at the flashpoint of a major pop culture phenomenon. I just remember the audience responding loudly to everything. There were huge laughs over every little quirky detail, like the ceiling fan, or the dropped phone with Sarah Palmer wailing on the other end, or Jim misunderstanding Cooper in the morgue. But it was also so dark and disturbing, I think people were really blown away by how emotionally extreme the Pilot was. It really wasn't like anything that had been seen on TV at that point.

I had been writing for my college newspaper around that time, and I started becoming obsessed with "Twin Peaks," publishing far more articles and updates on the show than many normal people would have. But being an accredited college journalist, I got invited to cover the Tree People benefit that took place at Union Station in the summer between Season One and Season Two. I got to interview a huge chunk of the cast, including Jack Nance, which was a very special opportunity for me as a fan. He was so kind and funny to me, and I used to live fairly close to him in Pasadena, so I'll always remember that evening. I also grilled Ray Wise about possibly being Laura's killer because the Laura Palmer Diary had recently come out and I felt it pretty much gave it away. But he wouldn't budge. It was great getting to interview him again for the new DVD and hearing how he personally heard the news about who Laura's killer was. It brought the whole story full circle for me.

It was a pretty exciting time back then to be a "Twin Peaks" fan. I mean, people forget just how insane Peaksmania was at its height. It was probably the last time I was truly obsessed over a TV show...although the new "Battlestar Galactica" comes close.

Dugpa: How did you get involved with the Twin Peaks Gold Box DVD?

Charles de Lauzirika: I had been monitoring the DVD rights situation with the show over the years, as it went from studio to studio, eventually ending up at CBS DVD. I had a nice relationship with CBS having worked with them on NUMB3RS, and thanks to Trisha Gum, who convinced Ken Ross that I was the right guy for the job, I wrote a proposal that was accepted and we were off and running.

Dugpa: What was your original proposal for the box set?

Charles de Lauzirika: My original proposal, written back in mid-2006, was titled Twin Peaks: The Dream Collection. I figured that was a good title since this set was designed to be a dream come true for fans, but also because so much of Twin Peaks, and David Lynch's work in general, is rooted in a dark, mysterious and beautiful dream logic. This proposal also included "Fire Walk With Me," which is distributed here by New Line. The FWWM portion of the proposal included a new making-of documentary I was going to make called "Questions in a World of Blue" along with all of those long-sought-after deleted scenes. I had some preliminary discussions with CBS and New Line about teaming up for the perfect box set, but ultimately, it ended up being too legally complicated to make happen. But it was nice to fantasize about.

As for the series portion of the proposal, it was pretty close to what we ended up with. Deleted scenes were always part of the proposal. The various featurettes were always part of it. The SNL skit, the Georgia Coffee commercials, the TV spots, and so on. The only things originally in my proposal that we ended up dropping were audio commentaries and story notes, similar to what was seen on the Season 1 release from Artisan. Basically, David didn't want anything that interfered with the presentation of the episodes, and if you read his chapter on audio commentaries in his book, Catching the Big Fish, you know that he believes commentaries can demystify the art too much, and make the experience less special. And I agree, that in the wrong hands, you can cheapen the magic of storytelling and filmmaking, which is certainly never my intention. I also figured that we had so many other things planned for the box set, we could explore the making of the show in other more interesting ways.

Dugpa: What can you tell us about the extras on the box set?

Charles de Lauzirika: It's a pretty healthy combination of all-new material and great vintage pieces. Although we had inherited quite a large selection of interviews that had been used in the Season 2 set, I felt it was important to not only conduct new interviews with some of those people, but also to branch out and interview people who hadn't been interviewed for the last two DVD sets, or at all. Even though we didn't get everybody we wanted, we did get most of them, along with a lot of previously-unsung crew members. As for the cast, Amy Lowe, my associate producer on this, actually made contact with Michael Ontkean in Hawaii, and began a long series of interesting conversations with him about participating, but ultimately, he politely opted out, despite initially wanting to shoot his own interview for the documentary, which would have been wild. We came close to getting Lara Flynn Boyle, but there were scheduling issues. Same with Heather Graham and others. Believe me, we tried to get more than we did, but I'm more than pleased with the interviews we did get. I was especially happy that we got Joan Chen, Piper Laurie and Ray Wise, in addition to Kyle MacLachlan, Sheryl Lee and the rest. Not to mention Mark Frost, whose entire interview is just superb from beginning to end. He's pretty much the narrative spine of the documentary.

Dugpa: Why didn't David Lynch appear in the "Secrets from Another Place" documentary?

Charles de Lauzirika: It would have been great to have him as a voice to bounce off of Mark Frost, but I think David felt that his insights and stories in "A Slice of Lynch" were the best way to present his own particular point of view. Plus, it allowed me to get a little more creative in how I shot David's interview, and that was very refreshing.

Dugpa: What can you tell us about the Deleted Scenes that appear on the box set?

Charles de Lauzirika: The guys you should really talk to about that are Ryan Adams and David Grant from CBS DVD, who worked directly with David Lynch in restoring the picture and sound for the series. But for my part of it, I had known there was a bootleg disc of deleted scenes, outtakes and circle takes floating around in the fan community. I acquired a copy from a fan who shall remain nameless, but someone who's very supportive and active in the Twin Peaks fan community. Unfortunately, this material had leaked out through inappropriate means, and as it turns out, the original elements that would have been needed to fully restore these and other deleted scenes had long been destroyed. So that was a very sad revelation. I keep hoping that somewhere out there, the original elements were somehow saved and still exist, but CBS checked their vaults and inventory and it just wasn't there. Believe me, we dearly wanted to include as many interesting deleted scenes as possible, including the alternate murder scene of Ben killing Maddy. So that left us with the bootleg disc that a few fans already had in their possession. Ryan and David at CBS thought they could clean it up a bit, which they did, and they presented all the scenes to David Lynch for approval. He then personally selected the four scenes that now appear on the DVD. I'm sure Ryan and David can give you a lot of detail about that process, in addition to all of the wonderful picture and sound restoration work they did on the series.
 
Dugpa: What was it like working with David Lynch on this project?

Charles de Lauzirika: It was pretty much everything I thought it would be. I had always gathered that he was one of those filmmakers who doesn't want to reveal too much of what's going on behind the curtain. And that's something that I deeply respect, even if it makes my job more difficult. I think everyone who worked on this DVD felt like they wanted to make David happy, and make this a good experience for him. And he was extremely generous with his time and participation. Seriously, as a longtime fan of his work, it was a blast...especially shooting "A Slice of Lynch" with him.

But perhaps one of the most frightening moments of my career was sitting in David's screening room to show him rough cuts of all of the DVD extras, starting with "A Slice of Lynch." He sat in the row directly behind me, and every second of silence felt like cold death at my back. But when the lights came up, he gave his comments with a smile, often telling us even more backstories that I wish we had a camera there for. I'm very happy he approved everything, and went so far in helping us put this disc together. There's no way we could have done this without him. And I wouldn't have wanted to.

And I'll always remember coming home and finding a very unexpected black box at the front doorstep to my house with David's logo printed on it in white. Inside was a selection of his Signature coffee brands, way before it had been released to the public. That was no doubt one of the coolest gifts I've ever received.

Dugpa: Was there ever any consideration to including the previously-released extras from Artisan's Season 1 set, or even the CBS DVD Season 2 set?

Charles de Lauzirika: Not really, no. I'm not a big fan of wasting precious disc space on materials that people have already paid for in the past. If you look at some of the other double-dipped DVD's I've produced, like Alien Quadrilogy or the multi-disc sets of "Gladiator," "Black Hawk Down" and "Kingdom of Heaven," I rarely carry things over from previous releases unless they somehow fit nicely into the overall package. Things like trailers and TV spots are easy because they're so short. But otherwise, I think it's lazy. I mean, look, if you're the kind of "Twin Peaks" fan who wants everything, then chances are, you already own Seasons 1 and 2, so why spend all of that limited disc space on material you already have? Why spend all that money for content you already own? Shelf space issues aside, I'll never understand why certain people actually want to do that.

Dugpa: What was the most challenging extra to obtain for the box set?

Charles de Lauzirika: Well, every extra had its own little challenge. For instance, the Saturday Night Live skits needed to be signed off on by every single SNL cast member to appear in it. And keep in mind, that included Mike Myers who appeared as The Man From Another Place. That included the estates of Chris Farley and Phil Hartman. That included Conan O'Brien, who appeared in the background as Deputy Andy. Pretty much the entire SNL cast appeared in just that one skit. But Trisha Gum and the CBS Legal team did an amazing job tracking everyone down. And that was just for one extra feature! That same clearance process applied to everything that appears in the Gold Box. 

In terms of production logistics, "A Slice of Lynch" was like mounting a low budget indie film. We had a full crew, four HD cameras, make-up and wardrobe artists, extras, catering...the whole deal. We shot the whole thing in about two hours at the Bigfoot Lodge in the Los Feliz area near Griffith Park and Hollywood. We only had two hours because that was our window of opportunity to get David, Kyle, Madchen and John together all at the same time. And it was particularly intense for me because at the same time, I was working to get Joanna Cassidy on-board to shoot some additional green screen material for the Final Cut of "Blade Runner" the very next day! Fortunately, both shoots went off perfectly.

Dugpa: What is the significance of the whole Gold Theme to the box set?

Charles de Lauzirika: The whole gold motif came from David Lynch himself. I remember being up at his house with Ken Ross, David Grant and Ryan Adams from CBS, and David was obsessed with this thing being housed in a gold box. I remember him closing his eyes intently saying, "It's got to be gold..." I was never really sure what gold had to do with the show, but that wasn't the point. This was David's way of presenting this set as the definitive treasure for "Twin Peaks" fans.

Dugpa: What was the reason for leaving off the "Previously on Twin Peaks" segments and the "Next on Twin Peaks" segments from the box set?

Charles de Lauzirika: For whatever reason, those segments weren't in the studio inventory. As I mentioned earlier, all of these materials get passed from distributor to distributor over the years, things can get lost in the shuffle, unfortunately. Plus, there might have been additional licensing costs to consider even if we did have them. It's strange, I worked on two huge projects this year that both had very complicated ownership issues...this and "Blade Runner." It's not like the usual project where one studio owns and archives everything outright, making things far more clean and easy. For both "Twin Peaks" and "Blade Runner," there are multiple owners of various types of content, which can end up being a huge headache and possibly very costly when trying to clear this material for DVD. And all of it has to be cleared...there's no quick way to cheat around that.

Dugpa: What was the one thing you most wanted to include on this set but weren't able to so?

Charles de Lauzirika: Well, I still think it would have been great to include audio commentaries, but we managed to get a lot of detail and background out without them. And, of course, it would have been wonderful to include a huge gallery of fully remastered deleted scenes...but another thing to consider is the narrative quality of those deleted scenes. Every show and film has footage that doesn't make the final cut. Not all of it is particularly interesting. So when you're dealing with limited disc space, as you always are, you have to weigh what's most important to telling the story behind the story. I honestly don't have any major regrets about this set. I think it's a good balance of everything.

Dugpa: With all the nostalgia in the air, at any point, did David Lynch ever hint about the possibility of continuing "Twin Peaks?"

Charles de Lauzirika: Not to me. I know there's been a lot of talk on the internet about a Season 3 graphic novel, but I'm not privy to any inside information on that. And David himself has mentioned in interviews that if he were to continue it, it would probably be as internet content. To be honest, I don't care if it's done as doodles on cocktail napkins, I'd love to see the story continue in some form.

Dugpa: Was the idea of doing an isolated soundtrack with Badalamenti's music considered as an extra?

Charles de Lauzirika: I love isolated scores. Unfortunately, they have really become a rarity in DVD production, simply because of music rights issues. A lot of composers and rights holders feel like they're giving bootleggers all the materials they need to rip off their music. As far as "Twin Peaks" goes, I knew that David and Angelo were working on a new soundtrack release, so it was nice to hear that even if we weren't going to be able to include an isolated music track on the DVD, previously unreleased cues would be getting out there in the form of a new soundtrack.

Dugpa: For the original Season 2 DVD set, some fans were surprised with some of the alterations in both sound and video. Most notably the video in Episode 14 during the Maddy death scene and the audio in Episode 28 where Cooper spots Windom Earle. Were these changes done intentionally?

Charles de Lauzirika: That's a question for Ryan and David. I had nothing to do with the picture and sound mastering. But Ryan and David worked closely with David Lynch and got his approval on everything.

Dugpa: How did you approach working on the Twin Peaks set versus the upcoming Blade Runner set?

Charles de Lauzirika: It was a little daunting at times. Fortunately, the production windows of both projects rarely overlapped to any serious degree. And it helps having two really tireless associate producers to support me through these projects...Amy Lowe on "Twin Peaks" and Paul Prischman on "Blade Runner." I mean, we've juggled multiple big projects before, but I guess what made things especially challenging this time was that in addition to putting together the supplemental content for both titles, I was also producing the new Final Cut of "Blade Runner," which was a massive undertaking. So if my schedule ever got overloaded, I would have Amy conduct an interview for "Twin Peaks" while I was working on "Blade Runner," or I would have Paul handle something on "Blade Runner" while I was working on "Twin Peaks." It turned out to be less chaotic than I had originally imagined, but it was certainly very tough and I couldn't have done it without Amy and Paul.

Otherwise, I guess the biggest difference between the two projects was that I don't have the same kind of long history with David Lynch that I have with Ridley Scott. So for me there was that additional process of learning what parameters I could work in within David's world versus Ridley's world. But in both cases, the goal remains the same...present the material in the best and most interesting light you can. Obviously, there are occasionally technical challenges, or legal challenges or, creative control issues...but more and more, I'm just focusing on what's the most interesting story. And I was very fortunate in that both "Twin Peaks" and "Blade Runner" have fascinating stories behind their creation and legacy, and both have very interesting filmmakers behind them.

Dugpa: Did you feel that Lynch allowed you to achieve the vision that you were looking for on the documentaries?

Charles de Lauzirika: I have to admit, I thought David was going to be far more controlling over what I was going to be able to include in the documentaries. Again, he seems like a filmmaker who doesn't want to reveal too much about the process. So there were even some sections in the documentaries that I intentionally included thinking that he would probably kill them, but that would take the focus off other sections I wanted to survive. Well, as it turns out, he approved everything without any changes. On top of that, he wanted to make sure we included Sheryl Lee who, at that time, we hadn't been able to schedule yet. So he made the call, and within a couple days, Amy got Sheryl in front of the camera and we added her to the documentaries. So, if anything, he not only allowed us to include everything, he even made sure we added more.

Dugpa: Were you forced to cut out any footage that may have given away too much?

Charles de Lauzirika: Nope, not at all. There were some stories that some people didn't want to talk about on the record, things we were told about off-camera that would have added a little more drama and gossip to things, I guess, but they weren't important to telling the story behind the creation of the show.

Dugpa: Are there any plans on releasing the Gold Box set on HD-DVD or Blu-Ray?

Charles de Lauzirika: I haven't heard anything specific, but I know from Ryan and David that an HD release has been under discussion. I have no idea about when or how. But I look forward to it happening someday because we shot "A Slice of Lynch" in HD and it looks beautiful in hi-def. And, of course, it would be amazing to see the whole series all over again in HD.

Dugpa: What was your experience at the Twin Peaks Festival like?
 
Charles de Lauzirika: Well, to be honest, I didn't know what to expect. I mean, I've been going to big fan events like Comic-Con for years, I've gone to a couple Lebowski Fests, and I've been to some much smaller fan gatherings as well, which can end up being a little scary...especially if "Star Wars" is involved. I figured Twin Peaks Festival would land somewhere in the middle, but I wasn't exactly sure where!

Fortunately, I had a fantastic time there. Most everyone was so cool and welcoming to us, that we just kept shooting and shooting. Jordan, Kelly, Jared, Amanda and the team treated us like family, so it wasn't difficult to put a lot of love into the "Return to Twin Peaks" featurette. I really wanted to go this year and give everyone a sneak peek at the Gold Box, but unfortunately, the Fest was scheduled the same weekend as Comic-Con, which I was already committed to. And I would love to go back next year and not have to worry about shooting anything and just have fun, but it's on the same weekend as Comic-Con again! Oh well, one of these years...

Dugpa: Being a Twin Peaks fan from the start, what was your reaction to the final Episode of 29 when you first saw it?

Charles de Lauzirika: I had really mixed feelings about it. I mean, I felt the show was finally back in the right groove and that last episode was truly mindblowing. And as much as I hated seeing Cooper go to the darkside, I also loved it because it was exactly the kind of narrative twist that could reinvigorate the show. But of course, I think by this time, we all knew it was canceled. I think I was hoping that this heavy of a cliffhanger would force ABC to continue the series, or at least wrap it up with a TV movie finale. But "Crime Story" tried the same tactic over on NBC a few years earlier, and it didn't work at all. So it was bittersweet...great to see the show end on such a powerful note, but so sad to see it end.

Dugpa: What are your thoughts on Fire Walk With Me?

Charles de Lauzirika: I have to admit I have mixed feelings about that as well. Because I was interning in script development at the time, I was able to get a copy of the script before it even began to shoot. And I was very bad but I couldn't resist...I tore through the whole script, reading it as fast as I could. And I had the same feeling after reading the script that I had after seeing the movie. I was obviously very happy to see more "Twin Peaks" being made, but between the series itself and the Laura Palmer diary, I felt as though I had already seen the big events leading up to Laura's murder in my own imagination. I felt like this was such a rare opportunity to return to "Twin Peaks" that, as a viewer, I wanted to see what happened after the final episode, not what already came before. But on the flip side, the film itself is such a powerful, dizzying experience...it was amazing to see "Twin Peaks" unleashed like that, with no boundaries and no rules. It was pure Lynch. And both Ray Wise and Sheryl Lee gave such tremendous, heartbreaking performances. I just remember walking out of the theater in a total daze, which is usually a good thing.

Dugpa: I've been following your work ever since the Alien Quadrilogy DVD set. Do you have any plans to direct feature length films of your own?

Charles de Lauzirika: I'm working on a couple of projects right now. The first is a really dark, psychological street story that I'm hoping to direct in the spring of next year. It's about a guy living in a very disturbing fantasy world who meets this one-of-a-kind girl that turns that world upside down...and then it just gets more twisted from there. It will be a pretty lean and mean low budget indie. A good first feature to get my feet wet. In that regard, "INLAND EMPIRE" is a great inspirational example of how you can do so much with so little. And then there's another project I'm extremely excited about that will hopefully get going sometime soon after that. It's based on an existing property, so I can't talk about it yet, but it's a very important story to me on a personal level. And aside from that, I'm keeping the DVD company going so that we can all pay the rent in the meantime.

Dugpa: Since CBS DVD owns the rights to the Spelling library including the Lynch/Frost TV Series "On the Air" and the Lynch Series "Hotel Room", do you know if there are any plans for an eventual DVD release?

Charles de Lauzirika: Haven't heard a thing. It's a great idea though.

Dugpa: On behalf of the fans of Twin Peaks worldwide, your work is greatly appreciated for finally doing justice to Twin Peaks the TV Series. Based on your work for this title, I can't think of anyone more qualified to take on doing a Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me DVD. My question for you, or rather a challenge for you is would you be willing to champion a new Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me Special Edition DVD and complete the work you started with the Twin Peaks Gold Box?

Charles de Lauzirika: Well, I would love to work on a "Fire Walk With Me" Special Edition. As I mentioned earlier, I had it all planned to be apart of a complete "Twin Peaks" box set. But even if I'm not involved, I just hope those deleted scenes are finally released. I know of at least a couple people on various message boards who won't find true happiness in life unless those damn things come out.

But thank you for the kind words. After all this time, it really means a lot to me and I'm glad the early word on the Gold Box has been so positive. Actually, I'm very relieved, because some of those message board comments were so hostile early on, before anyone really knew what we were up to, I sometimes wondered if it was all worth it. But it was. It was so very worth it. It's rare that any DVD producer gets to work on the discs for two groundbreaking classics like "Twin Peaks" and "Blade Runner" in their entire career, and it's just surreal to me that I got to work on them both at the same time, and to have them both turn out so well. I know it sounds cornball to say, but it really has been a dream come true.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on November 07, 2007, 02:50:53 PM
PM, isn't that twin peaks series DVD set worth every penny or have you seen the quality of the picture yet?

yeah.  the (actual) $90 that i paid was well worth it.  i read that interview that mac posted about the gold color being lynch's decision.  i think he meant well by making it seem like a "treasure" for the fans, which it is, but i still think that the season one box was the best and they could have easily done that with this definitive collection.  i have a new appreciation for the people who do these special features now.  i takes alot of red tape, time, money, etc. to get shit done.  i love the fact that the guy was a peaks freak.  i loved the documentary and lynch roudtable discussions.  both had me full of emotion.  i enjoyed the laura's theme w/angelo, mark frost, and dwayne duhnum (or something...he's uch a nice person and a great admirer of lynch).  the roundtable w/lynch, kayle, madge-kin, and jw was nifty.  i think lynch is just a fun guy to listen to.  seeing him and kyle together was fun and i wish they would work again.  i like how lynch praised frost for all his involvement.  lynch is just a wierd but generally nice and good hearted person.  i love the guy  :yabbse-grin:

i liked what lynch had to say about why no audio commentaries.  but something inside me still wishes he did them.  i haven't gone through all features yet-just disc 10.  i hope the deleted scenes are interesting.  and i think there are some production notes or something that would interest me.  i do believe though that the second season is better than the first.  it starts off perfectly, then there is a small gap of less than steller episodes, then the final half is perfect.  the last episode is pure lynchian bliss.  it's amazinbg it was even aired (well, in retrospec it's amazing the show was picked up).  this has become a cliched adage but, peaks was/is/and will always be ahead of it's time.  there are so many shows that bow down to peaks.

as for the pilot, it's a revelation.  i'm used to the shitty taiwan import dvd.  so, even an "etch-a-sketch" would be an improvment.  but the transfer is a thing of beauty.  really wish i had dts, like season one, ( i mean we are talking definitive right?) but i guess they had to save for disc space?  still, this set owns.  thanks for eveyone invloved in making this happen. 

oh yeah, i love the "critic" quote on the back on the box when you pull out the case :yabbse-wink: 
   
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: brockly on November 08, 2007, 04:03:05 AM
i finally got my hands on the whole series. watched every episode over the last couple of weeks. for the most part, damn good stuff.

quick summary..

s 1
pilot/2: amazing
everything else: good/great
fav: pilot

s 2
8-9/14/29: amazing
10/13/27-28: good/great
11-12/15-26: shit
fav: 8
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 12, 2007, 04:04:20 AM
Remastering Twin Peaks
Interview with:
Ryan D. Adams - Executive Consultant CBS High Definition Remastering and
David S. Grant - Executive Director CBS High Definition Remastering
Source: Dugpa.com

The following interview was conducted over several days with the CBS High Definition Remastering Team of David S. Grant and Ryan Adams.


**CONTAINS SPOILERS**


Dugpa: So how did you both get involved with the Twin Peaks Gold Box DVD project?

Ryan Adams: We received a call from Ken Ross from CBS Home Entertainment in NY asking us to look into what elements we had, what condition they were etc...We dove into the archive and realized we had access to the original camera neg. and audio. Once it was a go we contacted David Lynch's office to let him know our plan asked if he'd like to be involved in the process, obviously, we were thrilled when he said yes.

Dugpa: What can you tell me about the work you did on the transfers?

Ryan Adams: We started off by brining David over to Modern Video where we were performing the picture part of the remastering. We sat down with Latte's and chocolate croissants and went through the pilot and an episode from season 2 and went through scene by scene to set the exact color look that David wanted. We then used those episodes as our guides. David Grant and I then went to Chace productions where we mixed the brand new 5.1 audio for all the episodes. We completed a 5.1 mix of an episode and laid it off and sent it to David for his review and were beyond pleased when he called to sign off on the first pass of the mix. This was a special title for us not only because were both fans of David's but because we really got to roll up our sleeves and get into the creation of it all. We had a great time working with Charlie (de Lauzirika) the DVD producer on creating the menus and helping out on the Slice of Lynch shoot at the Bigfoot Lodge. Ken Ross, Jeff Nemerovski, David Grant and I had a great time diving into things like the packaging, picking the images for the post cards and creating a great website. The true blessing was how approachable David Lynch was, every time we wanted to run something past him or get his sign off, Ken, David (Grant) and I would just head up to Lynch's house for a cup of coffee and a discussion.

Dugpa: When did you start working on this set?

Ryan Adams: We first started up last October, I must admit we're a little sad to be completed but it is great to know we now have a life long relationship with David and his amazing crew.
 
Dugpa: What difficulties did you encounter during this project?

Ryan Adams: The one difficulty that ended up working out was at one point some of the original negative was incomplete on a few episodes, we ended up going up to David's house and rolled up our sleeves and went through his side storage room and started going through boxes marked Twin Peaks, it was amazing to be surrounded by all this material not only from Peaks but Blue Velvet, Wild at Heart, etc...In the end we found a few missing reels of film and headed back to re-transfer them.

Dugpa: Were there any negatives to scenes from the Episodes completely lost?

Ryan Adams: Nothing was ever lost, there was missing neg. but we did in fact find it in David's storage closet so everything, all episodes were complete.

Dugpa: Was there anything unique that you guys found when looking through Lynch's vault?

Ryan Adams: We were allowed to go in and look for the negative, which we found, as long as that's all we looked through or discussed.

Dugpa: What can you tell us about the process of doing the negative transfer to digital?

Ryan Adams: We scanned the orig. neg. and then performed a scene by scene color correction based off of our session with David, once completed we output to HD CAM SR and then performed a full DRS pass to clean up any negative dirt, hairs, scratches, etc...The negatives were in good shape and took very well to the color timings.
 
Dugpa: For the original Season 2 DVD set, some fans were surprised with some minor alterations in both sound and video. Most notably the video in Episode 14 during the Maddy death scene and the audio at the end of Episode 28 where Cooper spots Windom Earle seemed to be omitted. Were these changes done intentionally?

Ryan Adams: No changes were done, seeing as we went off the original cut camera negative, we put it out as it was cut together and intended.

Dugpa: I've been reading that there are a few TV series these days that were originally shot in 4:3 are now being reframed and transferred to fit 16x9 widescreen displays. Was there any talk about doing this for Twin Peaks?

Ryan Adams: No, we would never take David's originally framed aspect ratio and manipulate it to get a 16x9, we kept everything organic.

Dugpa: Can you confirm for me what the original aspect ratios were for the TV series including the Pilot?

Ryan Adams: 1:33.

Dugpa: What approach did you use when remixing the new soundtrack in 5.1?

Ryan Adams: We simply went along with the integrity of the original mix and spread it very organically.

Dugpa: Did David Lynch give you a specific direction regarding the sound mixes?

Ryan Adams: David just wanted to make sure we kept it organic. It was great because there was no need for us to try and re-invent the wheel. These episodes were mixed so well to begin with we just opened them up and spread them where necessary.

Dugpa: What was the reason for not including a DTS track for this set?

David Grant: The DTS really falls under the DVD department. We turned over the 5.1 and other completed tracks to the DVD department. Beyond that I don't know what decisions were tossed around.

Dugpa: What type of direction did Lynch give you regarding the color timing?

Ryan Adams: Setting the color look with David was one of the very first things we did after getting all the elements rounded up and it definitely laid the foundation on just how involved David was going to be in this project, once David came into the bay we started going through scene by scene and he would add a little contrast in places, he'd darken it up a touch to add in a little mood, then he added a touch of that coral look...and it all just came alive. That involvement we had from David in the beginning and really across the board on this project is what really helps make this release Complete and Definitive. I loved the fact that David took a very theatrical approach to timing the series, that's one of many things that makes Twin Peaks stand out from other series.

Dugpa: What was Lynch's reaction once he saw the amazing work you guys did on the transfers?

Ryan Adams: David was very complimentary through out the entire process, not only on the remastering aspect but also on everything from the packaging to the menus to picking the post cards and even sitting around his conference table drinking coffee and signing some of the post cards for us to include in the release, you name it, he was involved in it. It was great, there were even a few times when Ken Ross would fly out from NY and he David (Grant) and I would drive up to Lynch's house and sit around and work it all out.     

Dugpa: I had read that Episodes 1-7 were re-color timed using the Hi Def Masters from Artisan. What were the major differences from a technical standpoint between how the Artisan transfers were done versus the new CBS DVD transfers for the Pilot and Episodes 8-29?

Ryan Adams: From a technical stand point, Artisan did a good job with the original film to HD transfers of Season One. We simply took their existing masters and re-color timed them based off of Lynch's exact notes so the entire boxed set would be consistent.

Dugpa: At the end of Episode 7, before the credits role, the CBS DVD version is a bit different than the one in the Artisan set. The Artisan set added a frame of the TP sign at the end whereas the CBS version fades to black. I recall the original TV version fades or maybe cuts to a "To Be Continued" title. Did Lynch make this request to change the last frame before the credits?

David Grant: For Episode 7, we created it as it aired. If Artisan added that frame they didn't have David's approval since he wasn't involved in their release. We try as hard as possible to master shows as they aired.
 
Dugpa: Which episode was your favorite to do the transfers and sound mixes on?

Ryan Adams: Mine was the Pilot. I hadn't seen it since it aired, so to get in the color bay with David Lynch himself and start setting the look on the pilot was definitely the most amazing way to get this project jump started.

David Grant: The Pilot is amazing and I liked Episode 8 which was the first episode of Season Two and was an hour and a half long.  We also worked on this one with David. I'll never forget him eating his chocolate croissants and drinking coffee in the bay.

Dugpa: What can you tell us about the Deleted Scenes that appear on the box set?

Ryan Adams: Charlie had located a handful of Deleted Scenes on video. Neither us nor Lynch's crew had any Deleted Scenes on film. David Grant and I took what Charlie had up to Lynch's house to view for him. Once we received his sign off we took the video, which was many generations old and performed what's called a color trim pass to it to clean it up.

Dugpa: Lynch is known for nixing Deleted Scenes on his previous DVD releases as he had once stated that Deleted Scenes must be presented in the highest possible quality and the quality must match the original film or they should not be included at all. With the original negatives destroyed, how were you able to convince Lynch to include the Deleted Scenes on the new Gold Box set?

Ryan Adams: Well, David (Grant) and I had gone through the inventory lists, the archives and even Eric and Jay from David Lynch's office looked into any places they could think of as well. Once we determined that those Deleted Scenes no longer existed we knew the video masters that Charlie had found were our last hope of getting any Deleted Scenes added. The great thing about David Lynch is he immediately sees the bigger picture. We went up to his house and showed him the multi generation video masters and once we told him these were floating around already in that shape and that indeed the original elements for all the Deleted Scenes were no longer in existence, he asked us if we could improve the quality. We said we'd do everything we could and he then gave us his blessing to clean them up and present them to the fans. We cross converted the DVD to a Digital Beta Cam and balanced out the color the best we could and added a little contrast to them.
 
Dugpa: Do you know if there are any plans to release the other Lynch properties owned by CBS DVD such as "On the Air" or "Hotel Room" TV Series?

Ryan Adams: We haven't heard of any talk of releasing them yet but if they ever do, were definitely on board to work with David again.   

Dugpa: Do you know if there are plans to release the Twin Peaks Gold Box on Blue Ray or HD-DVD?

Ryan Adams: It's currently in discussions. 

Dugpa: What are your thoughts on Twin Peaks Episode 29?

David Grant: This is one of the top episodes of course. The Red Room scenes are amazing, the whole concept of acting and speaking backwards and then running the film in reverse is genius. The whole transformation of Kyle in the mirror scene is spooky.

Dugpa: What are your thoughts on Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me?

Ryan Adams: Well it was definitely intense...I would have loved to of seen more of what happened after #29 concluded but I really did enjoy the crazed trip Fire Walk With Me takes you on.

That's one of the things I love about David's projects, they are actual experiences. He invited David (Grant) and I to a pre screening of Inland Empire and after the screening I got in the car kind of exhausted because I was just taken on such an intense trip, it wasn't until hours later I was talking to Wynsdey, my wife and I was like, damn, that was a cool movie...

David Grant: I feel the same like with all of Lynch's movies Fire Walk With Me was such a different movie than the norm. After we left that screening of Inland Empire I wasn't sure that I could drive. We both weren't really able to talk for a bit. I felt dizzy. It was such a wild visual and audio ride it really fooled with my senses.

Dugpa: How would you describe your experience working with David Lynch?

Ryan Adams: Amazing, he's such a talented and inspirational guy, I was already a huge fan of his so after the first meeting I got in the car and called my wife to tell her what a great down to earth, spiritual guy he was.

Dugpa: What was the best part about doing this project?

Ryan Adams: All of it, to work on a series as extraordinary as Twin Peaks and to work with an artist we respected so much was a true blessing... and especially sitting around drinking coffee with David Lynch...how cool is that!
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: squints on November 15, 2007, 04:26:18 PM
Has anyone seen Kyle MacLachlan's web page where he writes captions over pictures of his dogs?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: picolas on December 03, 2007, 03:33:31 PM
are the special features of the gold box spoilerful? i've seen everything up to a little bit into season 2.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: john on December 03, 2007, 05:25:28 PM
are the special features of the gold box spoilerful? i've seen everything up to a little bit into season 2.

Wow... if you've gone this long without things being spoiled, just avoid the extras 'till your done. You lucky, lucky bastard.

Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 03, 2007, 05:32:42 PM
are the special features of the gold box spoilerful? i've seen everything up to a little bit into season 2.

If you don't know who the killer is, then stay away.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 01, 2009, 10:09:29 PM
I'm re-watching twin peaks and I am in love with Sherlynn Fenn. Audrey Horne is such a bitch... A bitch that you want to make love to....God, shes gorgeous. If I were to marry one celebrity, it would be Sherlynn Fenn.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Fernando on March 03, 2009, 01:47:56 PM
^^ yeah, Sherilyn is goddess there...


Does anyone knows from which DVD set is this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwvSFOEfHJE)??


What a brilliant composer Angelo is, and what a great team he and Lynch does (or did)...
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 03, 2009, 02:03:44 PM
Does anyone knows from which DVD set is this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwvSFOEfHJE)??

(http://deepdiscount-content.vcommerce.com/products/953/21684953/main-205.jpg)

It's part of the Secrets From Another Place featurettes, under the heading - Where We're From: Creating The Music. The entire featurette runs about 14 minutes and they also talk to Julee Cruise.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Fernando on March 03, 2009, 02:15:38 PM
thanks, you've never let me down my friend.


but damn, I don't have the gold box, I have the older season sets...
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 03, 2009, 05:10:53 PM
Does anyone know where I can find a poster of all the twin peaks women....?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 03, 2009, 05:21:23 PM
Does anyone know where I can find a poster of all the twin peaks women....?

I dunno about a poster, but I do remember the Rolling Stone cover:

(http://i.rollingstone.com/assets/rs/11/3861/images/23023_lg.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 03, 2009, 05:34:36 PM
Thats on order for me from ebay.....thanks though Mac
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: cine on March 04, 2009, 02:22:17 AM
hahahaha... man.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 10, 2009, 03:38:51 PM
Finally got this.....Gonna try tonight to blow up the cover and put up on my wall.
(http://i.rollingstone.com/assets/rs/11/3861/images/23023_lg.jpg)

Reading the other article with Kyle Mcklachlin that talks about Oliver Stone's 'The Doors' and that he actually signed a contract for 5 years for 'twin peaks'.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on March 12, 2009, 01:39:16 AM
where the fuck are norma and nadine?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on March 12, 2009, 07:03:25 AM
And Maddy/Laura's corpse?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: bonanzataz on March 13, 2009, 04:48:29 PM
and the old lady with the creamed corn?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on April 12, 2009, 10:39:42 AM
okay, wow.  i JUST finished watching the entire series.

Five years later I am rewatching Twin Peaks and it is a sobering experience.  Once you know what's going to happen, every extraneous plotline feels like a complete waste of time.  I'm giving up after episode 14 but after years of building it up this has been extremely disappointing.  It was my introduction to TV again, but since then I've seen Freaks & Geeks, The Office, Arrested Development, Lost, and so many others.  I appreciate Peaks for what it was, especially at the time, but can't help but see its many flaws now.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: matt35mm on April 13, 2009, 01:26:34 PM
I guess there's something in the air bringing us back to Twin Peaks.  I re-watched Fire Walk With Me yesterday, and was surprised by how much I liked it.  I didn't really know what to think of it when I first saw it, which was right after viewing the whole series on DVD.  Doing that back-to-back was jolting, but I felt like Fire Walk With Me really held up on its own, and certainly doesn't have that meandering problem that the TV show had.  It's VERY focused.  For whatever reason, the things that I felt were silly or over-the-top when I saw it 2 years ago were devastatingly effective this time around.  ... Poor Laura Palmer...
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: NEON MERCURY on April 13, 2009, 09:07:48 PM
okay, wow.  i JUST finished watching the entire series.

Five years later I am rewatching Twin Peaks and it is a sobering experience.  Once you know what's going to happen, every extraneous plotline feels like a complete waste of time.  I'm giving up after episode 14 but after years of building it up this has been extremely disappointing.  It was my introduction to TV again, but since then I've seen Freaks & Geeks, The Office, Arrested Development, Lost, and so many others.  I appreciate Peaks for what it was, especially at the time, but can't help but see its many flaws now.

 :yabbse-cry:...

i can see where your coming from...but one of th eshows greatest accomplishemnt, and the reason why i hold it in such huigh regard is its atmosphere...theres just soemthign sabout the setting, mood, music and all the other shit that you use to create   atmosphere-that compells me and keeps me glued and rewtching the series numerous times...
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: New Feeling on April 13, 2009, 10:16:09 PM
seriously Twin Peaks still destroys all other shows and FWWM is one of the masterpieces of the 90's.  When all is said and done TP will be Lynch's greatest accomplishment forever. 
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 13, 2009, 10:17:05 PM
and his most acceptable
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: picolas on April 13, 2009, 10:46:37 PM
accessible?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 13, 2009, 11:07:53 PM
Well, yes...Its his most well known mainstream piece of art that everyone remembers. You set up a simple murder mystery in a sleepy town and turn it on its head. 
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on June 16, 2009, 10:53:59 AM
MacLachlan Plans Twin Peaks Comeback
Source: imdb
 
Actor Kyle MacLachlan plans to resurrect his quirky TV drama Twin Peaks in short installments on the Internet.

The Desperate Housewives star played an FBI agent on the show between 1990 and 1991, working with legendary director David Lynch on the cult series.

The show was eventually cancelled after a decline in ratings, but returned in 1992 with a prequel movie Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me.

MacLachlan is desperate to reprise his role once again and hopes to utilise the web to help fulfil his ambition of a return to Twin Peaks.

He says, "I have a crazy idea to bring back Twin Peaks on the net as five minute webisodes."

But the star admits the show's creator, David Lynch, won't be involved with the new version as he is too busy focusing on his initiatives to publicise meditation techniques.

MacLachlan adds, "David's focus is more on transcendental meditation now."
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on June 16, 2009, 11:25:01 AM
i'm thinking this is not true.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: SiliasRuby on June 16, 2009, 02:19:36 PM
I'm thinking it IS true but it won't be done or fully actualized.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: squints on June 22, 2009, 03:35:12 PM
It probably WILL happen but it will be a web-only series starring Kyle MacLachlan and his cats.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on May 18, 2010, 01:26:41 PM
watch this please: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/05/twin_peaks_gets_a_delightful_r.html
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 18, 2010, 03:19:36 PM
Oh, MC Chris, just when I think you're washed up and out of talent, you come back with a Twin Peaks song.
That'll do, nerd, that'll do.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: modage on November 09, 2010, 08:27:46 PM
(http://dugpa.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/NUP_139810_0290.jpg) (http://dugpa.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/NUP_139810_0489.jpg)
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USA NETWORK’S “PSYCH” MARKS “TWIN PEAKS” 20TH ANNIVERSARY

WITH A ‘DAMN FINE’ TRIBUTE EPISODE

ON WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 1


Series Originals Sherilyn Fenn, Sheryl Lee, Dana Ashbrook, Ray Wise, Robyn Lively,
Lenny Von Dohlen and Catherine Coulson to guest star

NEW YORK, NEW YORK – October 15, 2010 – When PSYCH returns for its fall run in November, viewers will be treated to a “Twin Peaks”-inspired episode scheduled to premiere on Wednesday, December 1 at 10/9c. Entitled “Dual Spires,” the episode celebrates the 20th anniversary of the cult favorite with guest star casting that includes Sherilyn Fenn, Sheryl Lee, Dana Ashbrook, Ray Wise, Robyn Lively, Lenny Von Dohlen and Catherine Coulson. Series Star James Roday serves as co-writer along with Bill Callahan.

The episode kicks off with Shawn (Roday) and Gus (Dulé Hill) receiving a mysterious e-mail inviting them to the annual Cinnamon Festival in Dual Spires, a quirky Northern California town nearly invisible on the map. When they arrive the pair quickly find themselves embroiled in the mysterious death of local high school student Paula Merral. As Shawn and Gus unravel the many secrets of the town, they meet several local residents including town doctor/lawyer/veterinarian Donna Gooden (Sheryl Lee), Sheriff Andrew Jackson (Lenny Von Dohlen), proprietors of the local diner Robert and Michelle Barker (Dana Ashbrook and Robyn Lively), the mysterious Woman with Wood (Catherine Coulson) and enigmatic bookish beauty Maudette Hornsby (Sherilyn Fenn). The pool of suspects proves to be deeper than suspected as Shawn and Gus must work to figure out who killed Paula Merral. Ray Wise reprises his role from last season as Father Westley.

Additionally, songstress Julee Cruise, who performed music during the original run of “Twin Peaks,” has signed on to perform the PSYCH Theme Song for the episode. The landmark series, that fashioned a widespread cult following, is celebrating its 20th anniversary this year.

PSYCH is executive produced by Steve Franks (“Big Daddy”), Kelly Kulchak and Chris Henze, with Universal Cable Productions in association with Tagline Pictures. Mel Damski (“Picket Fences”) serves as the executive producer and as a director. Saladin K. Patterson (“The Bernie Mac Show”), Bill Callahan (“Scrubs”) and Andy Berman (“Freddie”) are co-executive producer/writers.

USA Network is a program service of NBC Universal Cable a division of NBC Universal, one of the world’s leading media and entertainment companies in the development, production, and marketing of entertainment, news, and information to a global audience.

Universal Cable Productions creates quality content across multiple media platforms for USA, Syfy and other networks. A leader in innovative and critically acclaimed programming, UCP is the studio behind USA’s Royal Pains, Law & Order: Criminal Intent, Psych, In Plain Sight, Covert Affairs and Facing Kate, along with Syfy’s Eureka, Warehouse 13 and Caprica. The studio also produced both long-running series Monk and Battlestar Galactica. UCP is a division of NBC Universal.

USA Network is the #1 network in all of basic cable and is seen in over 102 million U.S. homes. A division of NBC Universal, USA is the cable television leader in original series and home to the best in blockbuster theatrical films, acquired television series and entertainment events. The award-winning USA website is located at http://www.usanetwork.com. Characters Welcome.

http://dugpa.com/2010/11/09/exclusive-photos-from-the-psych-twin-peaks-tribute-episode-dual-spires-airing-december-1st-on-usa-network/
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: SiliasRuby on December 08, 2010, 10:04:45 AM
The 'Psych' episode is fantastic and even if you're not a fan of or have not watched 'psych' it was the perfect tribute episode. There are some blatant cues to the famous series and some easter eggs that only if you're a hardcore fan of 'Twin Peaks' (like me and Mod) will you catch and revel in. Some eerie moments for a mainly comedy show and since I know 'psych' pretty well the episode fit well into the series.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: tpfkabi on December 17, 2010, 08:43:24 PM
Looking for gifts at Big Lots tonight I saw that they had Season 2 of Twin Peaks for $10.
Of course, it does me no good as I don't have Season 1 either.
Is that a good deal, or has the value diminished with the newer set?
I guess they will eventually hit Blu-Ray, too.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: SiliasRuby on December 19, 2010, 10:12:32 AM
I would suggest waiting for the gold box on blu-ray but I'm a twin peaks completist.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: tpfkabi on December 21, 2010, 04:21:54 PM
I would suggest waiting for the gold box on blu-ray but I'm a twin peaks completist.

Yeah, I've slowed down a lot on Criterions, etc, because with my DVD-R player on it's last legs, it's time to upgrade to Blu-Ray.
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Post by: SiliasRuby on December 28, 2010, 03:48:41 AM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox
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Post by: tpfkabi on December 28, 2010, 09:56:40 AM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox

ok, I might get that.
looking at the Amazon page it looks like they had problems with discs 4 & 6, but they were sent replacements. hopefully, one i ordered now would be corrected.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Reelist on January 11, 2011, 11:33:20 AM
I am so lost on this show, I started watching season 1 on DVD way back when but never got through it. Then I would just watch it on tv randomly whenever it was on, loving it. Now I see that the whole series is on IMDB and I just don't know where to start...oh well, here goes!
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Post by: tpfkabi on January 11, 2011, 03:27:36 PM
I'm about a 1/3rd through Season 2. Just the other week all those pics above meant nothing to me. As I have been watching the series I was thinking how sad that all the females have aged 20 years, so now I see how some of them look now. Sad, not that they're living still, but sad because they were so bangin'.
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Post by: Stefen on April 13, 2011, 06:16:35 PM
Just found out this series is streaming on Netflix. I've never seen it but I hear nothing but good things about it all the time.

I'm not really a big Lynch fan. I just don't get him, but I'm going to give this a try because I need a series to watch.

What should I be looking out for? Is it a comedy or a drama?
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 13, 2011, 06:33:41 PM
The Lynch-directed episodes are fantastic and have some classic Lynch moments, but the rest of the series is insanely mixed for me. Some of the acting is atrocious, and lots of the episodes I just don't like, not even for camp. When it tries really hard (really, really hard) to be noir, it often doesn't work. But it's still pretty much always entertaining.

Also, expect to be slightly distracted by late 80s / early 90s fashion, especially women's shoulderpads.

E: In terms of genre, I suppose it's dramedy. The most dramatic moments are usually at least 50% campy.

EE: Also... The movie is better than the TV show. The camp is dialed down, and the Lynch is cranked to 11. While I have mixed feelings about the show, it's one of my favorite movies.
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Post by: Stefen on April 13, 2011, 06:40:43 PM
Just what I wanted. Thanks JB! Would you suggest I watch the movie first or the series?
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Post by: wilder on April 13, 2011, 06:49:54 PM
Also, expect to be slightly distracted by late 80s / early 90s fashion, especially women's shoulderpads.

I'm in a similar boat as Stefen when it comes to David Lynch. I haven't seen Fire Walk with Me but my favorite out of the features I've seen is probably Wild at Heart, maybe the most palatable movie to a non-Lynch fan. The late 80's / early 90s aesthetic you mention is a big draw for me when it comes to the Twin Peaks series...like a lot of Lynch's stuff I found the vibe more interesting than the actual story, only ever made it through the first half of the show. Maybe I'll finish it now that it's available streaming. I try to look at his stuff now more like moving paintings instead of viewing them as normal narrative features. Lynch is a weird motherfucker, but I guess that's stating the obvious.
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Post by: matt35mm on April 13, 2011, 07:06:50 PM
I also really like the movie but I know that a lot of the show's fans hate it. It's definitely not the popular consensus that the movie is better than the show.

You're gonna want to watch the show first, because the movie spoils a lot of what's supposed to be unknown when you're watching the show. It's a really fun show to watch once you get sucked into it.

But after you've finished watching the show, you should forget all about it before you watch the movie, or at least not expect it to be the same at all. It is very different from the show, and this is why a lot of people ended up hating it. It was only with a few viewings and some distance between watching the show and the film that I came to appreciate how great it is.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 13, 2011, 07:22:03 PM
I saw the movie first, and honestly I think it set the bar too high for the show (for me). I agree, watch the show first, because of that and spoilers.

I can't fathom why the show's fans don't like the movie. Were they expecting more campy comedy? Considering the subject matter, I don't know how the movie could have been done better. It's a perfect prequel.

like a lot of Lynch's stuff I found the vibe more interesting than the actual story . . . I try to look at his stuff now more like moving paintings instead of viewing them as normal narrative features. Lynch is a weird motherfucker, but I guess that's stating the obvious.

He has a lot of interesting images, so I think that's valid... But personally, I get the most out of Lynch's stories and characters. Better to view his movies as puzzles than moving paintings, I think.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: matt35mm on April 13, 2011, 08:33:47 PM
I can't fathom why the show's fans don't like the movie. Were they expecting more campy comedy? Considering the subject matter, I don't know how the movie could have been done better. It's a perfect prequel.

I think it's mostly because almost none of the characters from the show are in the movie (and a major part was re-cast, and nobody likes when that happens). Yeah the show has a lot of campiness but that's a core part of the charm that people see in the show. The movie is resolutely NOT charming. The show was funny and scary and moving, and even though it was one of the darkest shows on TV for that time, it was bright and cheery compared to the devastating darkness of the film.

The film is also really strange in its structure, which adds to how disturbing it is. The whole first 20-30 minutes feels like this kooky comedy and then there's a radical shift and descent into some of the darkest stuff I've ever seen in a movie.

The TV show was pretty much mainstream and a little left of center. Also another part of the charm of the show was that every week you'd get to see all the characters in this town and you'd get this warm feeling, like you're catching up with your buddies. For those fans, watching Fire Walk With Me was like expecting to see your old friends once again and instead being thrown into a madhouse and told that you'd never see your friends again.

I can see how starting with Fire Walk With Me would be a very different experience, because you'd be going from this really bold piece of cinema to a relatively mainstream show with flashes of brilliance. I could see how that would be disappointing.

It's also definitely fair to call the TV show uneven. I don't think there are a lot of people who would defend every part of the show, especially in the second season. Even Lynch admitted that the second season didn't go the way they had wished. But it was still so fun to watch and I love it for its overall charm and flashes of brilliance. It just has to be said that the movie is a totally different animal.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 13, 2011, 09:11:57 PM
The very first shot of Fire Walk With Me tells you the movie is not the show when an axe smashes through a tv set.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 13, 2011, 09:30:59 PM
Interesting stuff, matt. I totally see that perspective now.
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Post by: wilder on April 13, 2011, 11:49:17 PM
He has a lot of interesting images, so I think that's valid... But personally, I get the most out of Lynch's stories and characters. Better to view his movies as puzzles than moving paintings, I think.

I've tried to look at them as puzzles...I just don't think my brain was wired for them. I pieced something together out of Lost Highway, but whatever I could grasp onto was too vague for my liking. I think most of Lynch's stuff just goes over my head but I see him as more of an artist than a filmmaker - there's still something to appreciate for me even if it's as base as his interesting images. Something's going on in his head but it's communicated in a language I don't speak well I guess.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Reelist on April 14, 2011, 12:12:49 AM
I dug the movie a lot more than the show too. It pretty much broke my cherry for what the whole series was about and made me really intrigued, now I've seen all of season 1, and I'm convinced it might be one of the best shows ever on Television. Part of the reason I'm hesitant to continue with the show, though is that I know it can't go to some of the batshit crazy places Lynch went in the movie, which is why he made it in the first place. He's got such a great mind, why can't we have 90's Lynch return to this decade?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 14, 2011, 12:21:02 AM
I think each of his movies has been better than the last, especially FWWM onward, which IMO is a pretty stunning body of work. (We'll call A Straight Story his The Boss Of It All.)

Wilderesque - Lost Highway is a tough one to crack (all the way, at least), but there's a theory that makes the whole thing really simple. (SPOILERS) The murder is real, being locked up is real, and his mental illness is real... but the rest is a product of his psychosis and uncontrollable jealousy. It doesn't explain everything, but it's something to start with.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Gold Trumpet on July 14, 2011, 12:23:43 AM
This may be on DVDs and well known already, but I scanned this entire thread and saw nothing...Here's a link to Japanese coffee commercials Lynch directed in the 1990s that revolved around Twin Peaks.

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/93759
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: socketlevel on July 14, 2011, 12:53:22 PM
There is so much unused footage from fire walk with me, i'd love to see a longer cut or deleted scenes some day.

I think it's my favorite lynch film.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Fernando on July 14, 2011, 01:35:28 PM
I guess you're among those ppl.(?). :yabbse-smiley:

Interview with DVD Producer Charles de Lauzirika

Charles de Lauzirika: Well, I would love to work on a "Fire Walk With Me" Special Edition. As I mentioned earlier, I had it all planned to be apart of a complete "Twin Peaks" box set. But even if I'm not involved, I just hope those deleted scenes are finally released. I know of at least a couple people on various message boards who won't find true happiness in life unless those damn things come out.


I love FWWM btw, and would be great if it gets a proper release some day.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 14, 2011, 02:07:01 PM
They should combine the FWWM and Dune deleted scenes into one new film.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on July 14, 2011, 04:41:49 PM
Of all Lynch's films, Dune is the one I would like to see a true director's version of.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: john on July 14, 2011, 05:09:17 PM

I think it's my favorite lynch film.

I'm glad you said that. Not that I need affirmation, or validation, but it's a sentiment that I rarely see shared by other people.

Initially, I assumed my affection for it was complimented by the fact that it was the very first Lynch film I'd ever seen... before the show itself, even. But the truth is, it's just really, really good. Scarier than most horror films and also disarmingly gentle at times.

It's frightening, beautiful, unnerving and alternately emotionally exhausting and rewarding.

About once a year I remember two things:

1. I don't own a hi-def copy of this.

2. There's a sea of deleted footage I still haven't seen and could, potentially, never see.

And it bums me the fuck out.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: socketlevel on July 21, 2011, 12:38:38 PM
Of all Lynch's films, Dune is the one I would like to see a true director's version of.

i agree only based on how balls the film is, it's so bad. FWWM is fucking great though. so it's either see something that sucked have a new wind in it's sails or see more of what i love...

I think if it was one or the other, i'd go with twin peaks.


I think it's my favorite lynch film.

I'm glad you said that. Not that I need affirmation, or validation, but it's a sentiment that I rarely see shared by other people.

Initially, I assumed my affection for it was complimented by the fact that it was the very first Lynch film I'd ever seen... before the show itself, even. But the truth is, it's just really, really good. Scarier than most horror films and also disarmingly gentle at times.

It's frightening, beautiful, unnerving and alternately emotionally exhausting and rewarding.

About once a year I remember two things:

1. I don't own a hi-def copy of this.

2. There's a sea of deleted footage I still haven't seen and could, potentially, never see.

And it bums me the fuck out.

one love man. actually it's Lars Von Trier's favorite lynch film as well; for what that's worth. i listened to a podcast where he said as much.

the moment Laura Palmer is walking up the stairs and enters her room, camera holds on her, and she screams (the audience still not able to see what she's looking at), then finally cutting to bob in the most awkward position with his hand behind her dresser... might be the scariest moment I've ever seen in cinema. top 5 at least. off the top of my head, i can't think of anything worse/better.

the most beautiful part of this fear inducing scene is that it's not shot for the shock. it's just shear delay and payoff tension.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 05, 2012, 06:21:04 PM
http://www.copronason.com/twinpeaks_pr.html
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Post by: goatcheeser on July 05, 2012, 07:57:41 PM
Just started re-watching the first season and finally saw the pilot episode, amazing. It is crazy how many subtle things you miss the first time through, some interesting Kubrick references. I still have not seen the second season but never really hear anything about it good or bad. I just recently purchased the definitive gold box edition which has both seasons and what seems like enough extras to last me the entire summer. Anyone else have this set? Is there anything that is a most see on it?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 05, 2012, 09:26:19 PM
I still have not seen the second season but never really hear anything about it good or bad.

There are 22 episodes in the season, and the only ones I remember really liking/loving were the 4 Lynch-directed episodes. Otherwise, Season 2 is a harrowing journey of endless bad decisions, unenjoyable camp, and general creative collapse.
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Post by: goatcheeser on July 06, 2012, 05:14:05 PM
Well that is unfortunate considering the second season had so much potential. 
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 06, 2012, 06:23:34 PM
Definitely. Some people like it, but most of those people also acknowledge its badness and love it anyway. I unfortunately could never appreciate the camp, because I think it fails even in that goal. (We have a marquee on this topic. One of us should dig through the FTP and drag it out.)

It gets really bad when they try to do noir (and they do try, very very hard). It just fails. You have these random characters trying to be dark and mysterious, but they just end up looking stupid. Especially the blonde woman with enormous shoulderpads (spoiler).

Oh and something I forgot to mention in this thread... Perhaps the worst thing about Season 2 is the music. It's not that it's bad music, it's that they use the same 2 cuts and repeat them over and over again. The only explanation I can come up with is that Angelo Badalamenti quit and took everything with him, but accidentally left 5 minutes of music behind, so they went with that for the remainder of the series.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on July 08, 2012, 04:30:20 PM
(We have a marquee on this topic. One of us should dig through the FTP and drag it out.)

It's "We loved Twin Peaks even when it got awful" or something similar.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 08, 2012, 05:05:35 PM
(http://xixax.com/header_words/lovedtwin.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 03, 2013, 07:51:36 PM
Red Room Rebuff: Mark Frost Dismisses ‘Twin Peaks’ Season 3 Rumors
Source: Movieline

Twin Peaks co-creator Mark Frost appears to have put an end to the latest flurry of Internet rumors surrounding the resurrection of David Lynch’s seriously weird but beloved cult series. On Dec. 31, an anonymous poster on the 4chan message board, wrote of attending a meeting between Lynch and NBC executives about bringing back a number of the original characters for a third season of the show, which originally aired on ABC from April 1990 to June 1991.

The tipster claimed that the idea was in the “early stages” and that NBC executives were a “little on edge” about Lynch “tackling [the series] alone” given the Eraserhead director’s iconoclastic tastes.  According to Anonymous, Lynch discussed setting the new season in the modern day, with good Agent Cooper (Kyle MacLachlan) stuck in the lodge and bad Cooper in jail. This time, a young female reporter will purportedly “uncover the truth” behind such conundrums as the killer BOB and the Lodge that defies time and space.

At the time, those little morsels of unsubstantiated rumor didn’t seem so far-fetched given a report on Moviehole.com in which Frost was quote saying that a season-three storyline is “something we talk about from time to time… If we ever do decide to move forward, I know we have a rich trove to draw from. Cast and crew members, such as the series’ “Log Lady,” Catherine E. Coulson and writer/producer Robert Engels, have also reportedly been contacted about the possibility of resuming their roles.

Alas, on Wednesday Frost tweeted the following, which appeared to debunk the rumors:

 Mark Frost@mfrost11
Dear Internet: You are very good at spreading rumors. Truth is more valuable and much harder to come by. Sincerely yours, @mfrost11
2 Jan 13
Daily Beast West Coast Deputy Bureau Chief Jace Lacob also tweeted that, in an email, Frost indicated that he and Lynch had had no contact with NBC.

 BringBackTwinPeaks! @TwinPeaksRedux
3 Jan 13
@televisionary what did he say in the email? We were the first to break this fascination story and all hell broke loose!
 Jace Lacob@televisionary
@TwinPeaksRedux That there have been no conversations between them (i.e., Frost and Lynch) and NBC.
3 Jan 13
What is there to do but grab piece of cherry pie and exit stage left with my favorite reaction from the Twin Peaks Archive Twitter feed, where much of this drama has been playing out:

 Twin Peaks@TwinPeaksArchve
It is not happening again. We all need a cold shower.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 03, 2013, 09:14:04 PM
Poorly-conceived rumor. This gives it away:

This time, a young female reporter will purportedly “uncover the truth” behind such conundrums as the killer BOB and the Lodge that defies time and space.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on February 11, 2013, 12:19:32 PM
OT, but it's Lynch TV so kinda relevant...

I'm getting rid of a bunch of DVDs, including hard-to-find (bootleg) copies of David Lynch and Mark Frost's other, less successful TV shows Hotel Room and On The Air. I've also got DVDs of two Lynch documentaries Pretty As A Picture and Lynch (One).

If you're interested in taking these off my hands make me an offer - full list and details here: http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=3607.195 (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=3607.195)
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Post by: chalfont on April 01, 2013, 08:29:44 AM
I don't think it's fair to slam off much off the stories of season 2 today. Remember, this series is over 20 years old!!!! I remember some of those were great back then. Windom Earle/Donna's father/Owl Cave/Annie/Eckhardt - all of these were really good stories 20+ years ago - we are just so spoiled with today, we can't apperciate what it was back then. FFS: Twin Peaks was TV's landing on the moon!!!!!!!!  I actually remember people saying X-Files was almost a copy of Twin Peaks......That is the same as white people meeting black people for the first time, and they're saying: "They all look the same!"
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: chalfont on April 07, 2013, 06:23:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78HceiccUgI

Great doc!!!
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Post by: MacGuffin on May 15, 2013, 06:04:31 AM
Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me Is David Lynch's Masterpiece
Source: Village Voice

Few films lend themselves to critical reevaluation as well as David Lynch's much-maligned Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me. Booed at its premiere at Cannes in 1992 (and playing at BAM as part of their "Booed at Cannes" series, which runs through May 23), eviscerated by the popular press during its brief theatrical run later that year, and remembered now with bafflement and contempt, the film's reception and legacy might best be characterized by the infamous words of sworn Lynch defender Quentin Tarantino, memorialized in an interview with Elia Taylor that year: "David Lynch had disappeared so far up his own ass that I have no desire to see another David Lynch movie."

It's not hard to understand the enduring distaste. Fire Walk With Me is deliberately oblique, even by Lynch standards, asking questions without answers and providing clues to no mystery. Its narrative is split in two, seemingly without reason, a division introduced when our hero is apparently swallowed up by a gaping hole in the center of the picture (a hole he finds beneath a parked RV in America's least inviting trailer park, naturally).

Most gallingly, especially for audiences circa '92, the film purports to be a prequel to perhaps the most beloved cult television series of the decade, though in truth it's more interested in systematically dismantling the mythos and iconography of Twin Peaks than in pandering to the show's fanbase with some feature-length trip down TV-memory lane. The film is alarmingly dark. It isn't especially funny, or quirky, or even much in keeping with the spirit of the series. But in its own singular, deeply strange way, Fire Walk With Me is David Lynch's masterpiece.

It helps to think about genre. Like the series, the film plays in pastiche. Adopting conventions from the police procedural, daytime soap operas, post-war noir, and 1950s melodrama, Fire Walk With Me is a postmodern hybrid in flux, its style ever-drifting and its formal makeup a composite of self-conscious clichés. The purpose of all this appropriation, however, isn't merely to ironize outmoded forms or tropes—as it often is in the work of the Coen brothers—but to embrace those antiquated modes and deploy those old-fashioned tropes in earnest. The film uses melodrama, in particular, to replicate the function and goal of the genre: targeting the veneer of sanctity in the middle-class American home and exposing its hypocrisy and corruption.

If Fire Walk With Me seems like a nightmare, it's the same one reflected in James Mason's descent into suburban madness in Nicholas Ray's classic melodrama Bigger Than Life. And what's scary is that the nightmare is real. Fantasy was always a central, if only implied, component of the classical melodrama, animating the social aspirations and wish-fulfillment of a rising class founded on subjugation and fear. The melodrama sought to undermine the contradictions inherent in an imagined good life, its stories essentially bourgeois dreams inflated to grotesque proportions.

Lynch has worked with this sort of material before. His early coup Blue Velvet, devised as a kind of distorted TV soap, dug up a small town's sordid secrets, suggesting that all seemingly good things have a dark side. But Fire Walk With Me taps into something considerably more terrifying: not only the evil buried somewhere in the quintessential middle-class family, but the evil buried somewhere in all of us, and our capacity for it.

Admirers of Twin Peaks were no doubt disillusioned by this shift toward cynicism. But an important part of what makes Fire Walk With Me so arresting is how it simultaneously reflects and distorts the series. Far from filling out a story or answering lingering questions, is to restore a sort of innocence lost, commendably endowing the show's principal victim, Laura Palmer, with a voice with which to speak for herself. Twin Peaks was defined, more than anything else, by Laura's pointed absence; Fire Walk With Me is defined by her presence, vivid and terrified and alone. The film offers us an opportunity to experience firsthand a character who had existed through the series only as a recreated fantasy, an imagined emblem of innocence and suffering who, like Otto Preminger's Laura, could only be obsessed over in death. In doing so, the film suggests that the pain endured in her life was more important than the intrigue surrounding her death, and we instead come to know not the mystery of what happened by the tragedy of why it did.

And so Laura is present in a film about loss. "For a long time you wouldn't feel anything," she says, describing what it might be like to fall through space. "Then you'd burst into fire forever. And the angels wouldn't help you, because all of the angels are gone." Though we do occasionally catch glimpses of those who would try to help her—most of whom, like Agent Dale Cooper (Kyle Mclaughlin), can only do so after she's gone—Laura's sense of resignation is correct. Her fate is sealed. Fire Walk With Me is a prequel to a series whose very concept is the death of the film's hero, which makes its ending a done deal before it even begins. Instead of a struggle against death, Laura's journey here is one of realization and, finally, resignation, not only of what will become of her but of what she's been enduring her entire life—sexual abuse at the hands of her father, Leland. Our knowledge of Laura's fate eliminates any classical suspense, leaving us only with sadness: The film becomes the memorialization of a tragedy already confirmed.

Fire Walk With Me takes the show's loose cluster of supernatural phenomena and reconfigures them as a vulnerable mind's imagined demons, a coping strategy for trauma. If the series is about hunting a literal demon—BOB, a gray-haired man who is said to "possess" Leland Palmer—the film is about realizing that the demon is real. Though in a way these fantastic elements were its bread and butter, the series ultimately suffered, emotionally, by "explaining away" the trauma of Laura's death and by assigning Leland's evil to his demonic alter ego. But the film returns us from fantasy to reality, reasserting the evil in the man himself: Laura's death at the hands of her father becomes a tragedy localized in a recognizable world rather than one happening in the fantasy of fiction. The fantasy becomes figural. A history of sexual abuse becomes real.

Lil (Kimberly Ann Cole) is the central element of the film's first half: Cole (Lynch)'s "mother's sister's girl," offering deliberately inscrutable signs for the pleasure of our confusion. It's Lynch's way of signaling that there will be no easy answers: we're about to witness a tragedy unfold without explanation, horrors happening that we can't justify or explain. Laura's world is morally confused, and Lynch presents it as basically illegible: the only way he can show us the truth is by articulating it in code, shrouding it in fantasy and mystery and conspiratorial intrigue. It's why the film seems, at times, like a puzzle. The contrasting halves of the film's bifurcated narrative find two worlds crashing together, the first a plane of frustrated desire and inscrutable mystery, the second a void into which a young woman is swallowed up. The procedural elements of the first are fundamentally disconnected from the tragedy of the second, suggesting that, in the final estimation, we can't really on institutions to protect us. They're solving the wrong case.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: jenkins on January 07, 2014, 11:14:26 AM
DAVID LYNCH IS FILMING 'TWIN PEAKS' AGAIN, IN FITTING WITH THE SERIES' END
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Are you ready to get weird again? Because David Lynch is ready to get weird (continuously). In that he seems to be gearing up to film more Twin Peaks. So there’s that. Are you ready? We’re not sure if we’re ready. In the finale episode of Twin Peaks Laura Palmer tells Kyle MacLachlan’s Special Agent Dale Cooper that she will see him again in 25 years. That series was set in 1989 (though it aired ‘90-‘91), so 25 five years from then is…well, right about now. 2014, to be exact, so in fact it’s exactly now. Oh god. What does it mean.

For now it means that David Lynch is totally filming new Twin Peaks footage. There’s a casting call and everything! It includes the term “HOT Caucasian girl,” which is a term that should at once be used all the time and never ever again. Via Sande Alessi Casting and Welcome To Twin Peaks, here’s the call itself:

http://www.bustle.com/articles/11851-david-lynch-is-filming-twin-peaks-again-in-fitting-with-the-series-end
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 07, 2014, 11:33:51 AM
It's cruel to tease like that. You should have said in your post that it's probably just a Twin Peaks promo. Since the casting call is literally called "Twin Peaks Promo." Still kind of exciting, though.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: matt35mm on January 07, 2014, 12:14:51 PM
DAVID LYNCH IS FILMING 'TWIN PEAKS' AGAIN, IN FITTING WITH THE SERIES' END
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Are you ready to get weird again? Because David Lynch is ready to get weird (continuously). In that he seems to be gearing up to film more Twin Peaks. So there’s that. Are you ready? We’re not sure if we’re ready. In the finale episode of Twin Peaks Laura Palmer tells Kyle MacLachlan’s Special Agent Dale Cooper that she will see him again in 25 years. That series was set in 1989 (though it aired ‘90-‘91), so 25 five years from then is…well, right about now. 2014, to be exact, so in fact it’s exactly now. Oh god. What does it mean.

For now it means that David Lynch is totally filming new Twin Peaks footage. There’s a casting call and everything! It includes the term “HOT Caucasian girl,” which is a term that should at once be used all the time and never ever again. Via Sande Alessi Casting and Welcome To Twin Peaks, here’s the call itself:

http://www.bustle.com/articles/11851-david-lynch-is-filming-twin-peaks-again-in-fitting-with-the-series-end

Hmm, Mark Frost tweeted that it was a "strange baseless rumor."

https://twitter.com/mfrost11/status/419638635466465281

So maybe this is not an official project, or maybe even entirely not real (could be the casting agency was swindled). Or that it's just a tiny thing that's being made for the blu-ray release and nobody felt the need to tell Mark Frost about it.
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Post by: jenkins on January 07, 2014, 12:27:51 PM
oh man oh man. seems i was overexcited
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on January 07, 2014, 02:00:56 PM
I read it was an ad for the Blu-Ray.
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Post by: Tortuga on May 15, 2014, 09:42:25 AM
http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/05/15/twin-peaks-blu-ray-box-set/

With deleted scenes trailer of sorts.

 :bravo:
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Post by: Alexandro on May 15, 2014, 12:17:39 PM
I rewatched Fire Walk with Me last night, just my second viewing after the seeing it in 1999 or something. I had forgotten everything, and I'm thinking this might be Lynch's masterpiece.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: MacGuffin on June 03, 2014, 05:30:56 PM
Restoration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFviJ6kDAzw
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Post by: Tortuga on June 04, 2014, 03:39:46 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=774166002614380

As a sort of crossover with the "stupid things people say in theaters" thread, have a look at the Facebook comments for the restoration video. It's one of those masochistic cringe-reads. I can almost more or less imagine that some people will fail to see much difference aside from a change in contrast and that it would look "less washed out". But it gets painful when there are smartasses who need to share their opinion on how terrible this is, while not getting the difference in definition and dynamic range between the primary source (original film negatives) and the secondary source they know and love (whichever shitty tape format the episodes were stored on and broadcast from back in the 90s). Almost as if they assume the secondary tape source was the true original primary format, and it has now been blown up to HD through some digital witchcraft? I'm curious about how they imagine something like that would work out; do they assume someone added CGI wrinkles to Bob's face or something?

It's almost as if George Lucas has single handedly distorted the basic concept a lot of people have of film restoration.
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Post by: Fernando on June 10, 2014, 04:46:13 PM
Earlier today, CBS announced they will be releasing Lynch's interviews with the Palmer family -- Laura, Leland and Sarah -- as part of the "Twin Peaks - The Entire Mystery" Blu-ray package, which will be released on July 29th. The package will also include never before seen deleted scenes and unused footage.

Fortunately for diehards, the network has provided us with a snippet of one of the "Between Two Worlds" interviews. It's a short conversation between Lynch and the family patriarch, Leland Palmer. Taking place in between two worlds, at some sort of restaurant/cafe location, Lynch asks Leland what he remembers feeling about his wife and daughter, 25 years after her death (and his own). For those of you who've watched Lynch's landmark TV program, it's a sight to behold.

Via: Indiewire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyeJmbZLckw
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Post by: Fernando on June 25, 2014, 02:18:18 PM
Interview with DVD Producer Charles de Lauzirika

I just hope those deleted scenes are finally released. I know of at least a couple people on various message boards who won't find true happiness in life unless those damn things come out.

Those people are about to find true happiness...


Twin Peaks: The Entire Mystery Blu-ray -- FULL TRAILER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo1HadKt14s
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Post by: MacGuffin on July 17, 2014, 08:18:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0wI57CqpZU
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Post by: Axolotl on October 03, 2014, 04:06:11 PM
Look at the timestamps

http://twitter.com/DAVID_LYNCH/status/518060411690569730

http://twitter.com/mfrost11/status/518060486156230656

It's not April 1 so it would be cruel if they're just fucking with us and it's a veiled announcement of their new coffee flavored chewing gum venture.
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 05, 2014, 03:16:39 PM
Twin Peaks On Showtime?

Sorry Netflix, but the continuation of Twin Peaks could very well be heading to cable network Showtime soon.

After Friday’s mystery “Twin Tweets” from David Lynch and Mark Frost that seem to imply the return of Twin Peaks in some form or another, it turns out that Mark Frost’s most recent follow on Twitter is Showtime’s head of PR, Trisha Cardoso. And she follows him back.

Now, remember the Twin Peaks creators’ tweets were published simultaneously at 11:30 AM EST. As pointed out, that’s the exact same time Dale Cooper enters Twin Peaks for the very first time, although that would be Pacific (Northwest) Time. EST suggests an NY connection, and guess where Showtime (and their marketing team) is located? Yes, on Broadway in New York City.

Need a stronger argument? Showtime Networks is the subsidiary of CBS Corporation, of which the CBS Home Entertainment division released the Twin Peaks Blu-ray last summer.

This is still a rumor, but the big reveal is upon us. Stay tuned!
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Post by: Tortuga on October 05, 2014, 05:00:04 PM
But what to expect from any sort of potential Twin Peaks sequel? An all-CGI Killer Bob? Twin Peaks teenagers using smartphones/internet? Coop videoconferencing with Diane?
It's hard to imagine the place in 2014.


And bring back agent Denise Bryson, as main character this time pls!!

(http://i.imgur.com/Si0XKzD.jpg)


Edit: David, Mark PLS!!!
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Post by: Punch on October 06, 2014, 10:43:48 AM
‘Twin Peaks’ Returns As Showtime Limited Series From David Lynch & Mark Frost

Twin Peaks fans’ quarter-century wait is over. One of the top cult series of all time is coming back with a new limited series on Showtime from its original creators, David Lynch and Mark Frost. I’ve learned that the nine-episode series will go into production in 2015 for a premiere in 2016 to mark the 25th anniversary of when the series finished its run on ABC. In a fact that will delight Twin Peaks devotees, Lynch and Frost will write and produce all nine episodes, with Lynch set to direct every episode.

http://deadline.com/2014/10/twin-peaks-series-showtime-david-lynch-mark-frost-845804/
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 06, 2014, 11:48:10 AM
Lynch and Frost will write and produce all nine episodes, with Lynch set to direct every episode.

 :inlove:

!!!!
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Post by: modage on October 06, 2014, 11:53:46 AM
Mark Frost interview:
http://tvline.com/2014/10/06/twin-peaks-showtime-cast-new-episodes-spoilers/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNHsA4WIFvc

Cynicism about whether it'll be any good/live up to the best of the original series aside, we are getting 9 hours of David Lynch film (10 whole years since Inland Empire). This is amazing.
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Post by: Fernando on October 07, 2014, 03:41:18 PM
YES.

beyond excited for this news, specially that Lynch is directing everything and that is happening at an uncensored network.

I hope they bring in Angelo Badalamenti.
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Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on October 11, 2014, 07:48:14 AM
Is it weird that I'm very much looking forward to revisiting the color palette of the show?
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Post by: wilder on October 18, 2014, 02:26:14 PM
The Fate Of 'Twin Peaks' Characters To Be Revealed In Book Coming In 2015
via The Playlist

Fans of David Lynch’s “Twin Peaks” were left wanting more—so much more—when the show went off the air in 1991 after only two seasons.

Now, THR reports that there’s even more on the horizon for sore enthusiasts. Lynch’s co-creator and executive producer, Mark Frost, has written a book that reveals what the residents of Twin Peaks have been up to these 20-plus years the show has been off the air. This news, of course, follows closely on the heels of another major “Twin Peaks” announcement—that the series is returning to Showtime in 2016, at least for a nine episode run.

Frost’s book, “The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks,” promises to dig deeper into the murder mystery that kicked off the series in 1990. The writer/co-creator claims, “This has long been a dream project of mine that will bring a whole other aspect of the world of Twin Peaks to life, for old fans and new. I couldn’t be more thrilled.”

Equally thrilled fans needn’t worry about having to wait until 2016 to read the book. “The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks” will be published by Macmillan subsidiary, Flatiron Books, and is due to his shelves in 2015, well before the Showtime episodes premiere. International fans don’t have to worry about tracking down this read, as publishers have already been confirmed in European and South American markets, including Brazil, Italy, the U.K., and Germany.
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Post by: Tortuga on February 18, 2015, 03:51:42 PM
I finally saw the Fire Walk With Me deleted scenes. Many wonderful moments in there, but it's usually clear why they never made the final cut. The emphasis on Laura's drug habits were particularly bleak.
I was surprisingly fond of the dinner-table sequences. The whole bit with HUNGRY Leland, as ridiculous as it seemed in the trailer, turned out to be fun and warm. Combined with the Palmer family playfully learning to introduce themselves in Norwegian, it would have been a nice sequence to introduce these characters and their family-relation (as their interpersonal relationships will, as we know, shift quite dramatically in the hours that follow). Then again, such exposition would only make sense for it as a standalone film, I guess...


In other news/speculation

http://io9.com/david-duchovny-hopes-to-return-as-denise-bryson-in-twin-1683087602


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First X-Files, now this. The new Twin Peaks is set to premiere some time in 2016, and members of the original cast are slowly signing on for the show's return. Will David Duchovny reprise his role as DEA agent Denise Bryson?
"Seems like it," Duchovny told the L.A. Times, in response to a question tacked on to the verrrrry tail end of his interview with Carolyn Kellogg about his newly published novel, Holy Cow. "I would bet on it if I were you. I think Twin Peaks is happening for sure. I hope my character comes back, I think she does. And then X-Files — Fox made some kind of shadowy announcement last week. Certainly, something's happening. Something's brewing. It's like the Eagles' greatest hits tour … by me."

(definitely speculation)
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Post by: wilder on April 05, 2015, 07:14:12 PM
David Lynch Confirms He's Pulled Out Of Showtime's 'Twin Peaks' Revival
via The Playlist

Final Update: David Lynch has confirmed the news himself, though he suggests Showtime could go on without him. And given all the contracts and negotiations over the last year, the cable network is probably within their legal rights to do so. Lynch only ever directed five episodes of the original "Twin Peaks" series that ran two seasons long and was canceled in the summer of 1991.

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This weekend I started to call actors to let them know I would not be directing. Twin Peaks may still be very much alive at Showtime.

— David Lynch (@DAVID_LYNCH) April 5, 2015

I love the world of Twin Peaks and wish things could have worked out differently.

— David Lynch (@DAVID_LYNCH) April 5, 2015

After 1 year and 4 months of negotiations, I left because not enough money was offered to do the script the way I felt it needed to be done.

— David Lynch (@DAVID_LYNCH) April 5, 2015

Dear Twitter Friends, Showtime did not pull the plug on Twin Peaks.

— David Lynch (@DAVID_LYNCH) April 5, 2015

Original story: There’s no official word yet, but reports are coming out of WonderCon in Anaheim that the revival of David Lynch’s ‘Twin Peaks” has been canceled. All we have to go on so far are some tweets (via Business Insider). Apparently the information is coming from three separate convention attendees, but where the original source is from or who said it is unknown at the moment, but the rumors to seem to be spreading. Lynch cast some doubts of the “Twin Peaks” return just a few weeks ago, cautioning, “I haven't returned yet. And we're still working on the contract," the director said in mid March. Haggling over DVD and streaming sales reportedly was part of the contract hold up.

here reports were quickly refuted by Showtime. Source told EW: “Nothing is going on that’s any more than any preproduction process with David Lynch. Everything is moving forward and everybody is crazy thrilled and excited.”

If “Twin Peaks” does make it through its contract problems. Kyle MacLachlan, Sherilyn Fenn and Sheryl Lee and more are expected to return. Initial Showtime reports had “Twin Peaks” schedule to debut on the cable channel in 2016 with Lynch directing every episode. While Lynch has made lots of video shorts or directed video documentaries ("Duran Duran: Unstaged” for one), a new "Twin Peaks" would be his first narrative effort since 2006's "Inland Empire." Let’s hope for the best.

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Breaking news out of WonderCon: Showtime has apparently pulled the plug on the new Twin Peaks TV series. No word yet as to why.

— Bill Hunt (@thedigitalbits) April 5, 2015

David contacted cast members today to inform them Showtime pulled the plug.

— Twin Peaks Festival (@TwinPeaksFest) April 5, 2015

I've got bad news. No official word yet, but it looks like the Twin Peaks on Showtime deal is dead. But remember, Twin Peaks will never die!

— Twin Peaks (@ThatsOurWaldo) April 5, 2015

Update: The Twin Peaks Festival Facebook page claims to have received first hand information from Lynch's office that says he has left the project (seemingly because of budgetary reasons) and suggests "Twin Peaks" could still happen on Showtime without him. Though, what is "Twin Peaks" without David Lynch?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 05, 2015, 10:35:28 PM
This is not okay.
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Post by: Sleepless on April 06, 2015, 09:29:25 AM
Let's just hope that this is all a negotiation tactic. History shows us what a Lynch-less TP would be like. If he's not involved, let's just scrap the revival mmmkay?
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Post by: polkablues on April 06, 2015, 03:44:24 PM
This would never happen, but I would love to see either Peter Greenaway or Guy Maddin take on Twin Peaks.
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Post by: Fernando on April 08, 2015, 10:43:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO934i9uO1c

IF Lynch by some miracle returns to do this my faith in humanity will be restored.
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Post by: Garam on May 16, 2015, 06:00:39 AM
David Lynch on twitter earlier today

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Dear Twitter Friends, the rumors are not what they seem ..... It is !!!
Happening again. #TwinPeaks returns on @SHO_Network

at least until his menstruation cycle resets again anyway...
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Post by: Sleepless on July 09, 2015, 10:04:12 AM
It’s a bad day for “Twin Peaks” fans.

In news that just surfaced, series co-creator Mark Frost told the Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum in June that the series won’t return until sometime in 2017.

“A lot of people always look back at ‘Twin Peaks’ and say that was the start of this explosion we’ve had in good television drama, but we did it in a time when there were still only three networks,” said Frost. “The challenge for us is to try and come back and raise the bar above what we did the last time. We’re coming back with season three of ‘Twin Peaks’ after a 25-year absence. We’ve finished the scripts, we start production in September, and that will be coming out on Showtime sometime in 2017.”

The revival, announced by Showtime in October, was originally slated for a 2016 premiere.

The original series ran from 1990 to 1991 on ABC, following a quirky FBI agent investigating the murder of a young woman in the fictional Washington town.
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Post by: Fernando on December 18, 2015, 04:51:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfPv57KBpJI
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Post by: jenkins on April 08, 2016, 05:45:22 PM
when looking up episode numbers (does 18  = 4 1/2 months of release?), release dates (January expected), i read about this (http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/twin-peaks/feature/a601713/twin-peaks-returns-the-cast-the-plot-the-characters-and-everything-you-need-to-know-about-season-3/), these books:


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10. Is the Twin Peaks revival a proper sequel?

"It is not a remake. The story continues. The seeds of where we go were planted where we've been."

Mark Frost will write a book called The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks, bridging the gap between then and now.

"This has long been a dream project of mine that will bring a whole other aspect of the world of Twin Peaks to life, for old fans and new," Frost said.

It'll nestle nicely on our bookshelves between The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer by Jennifer Lynch (David's daughter) and The Autobiography of FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper: My Life, My Tapes by Scott Frost (Mark's brother).
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Post by: Tortuga on April 25, 2016, 05:17:27 PM
https://www.facebook.com/TwinPeaksTV/posts/1142642569100053:0

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The cameras have stopped rolling.
A key piece of the mystery is revealed.
Welcome back* to Twin Peaks.
Jay Aaseng
Alon Aboutboul
Jane Adams
Joe Adler
Kate Alden
Stephanie Allynne
Mädchen Amick*
Eric Ray Anderson
Finn Andrews
Elizabeth Anwies
Dana Ashbrook*
Joe Auger
Phoebe Augustine*
Melissa Bailey
Tammie Baird
Matt Battaglia
Chrysta Bell
Monica Bellucci
Jim Belushi
Leslie Berger
Richard Beymer*
John Billingsley
Michael Bisping
Ronnie Gene Blevins
Kelsey Bohlen
Sean Bolger
Rachael Bower
Brent Briscoe
Robert Broski
Wes Brown
Richard Bucher
Page Burkum
Scott Cameron
Juan Carlos Cantu
Gia Carides
Vincent Castellanos
Michael Cera
Richard Chamberlain
Bailey Chase
Johnny Chavez
Candy Clark
Larry Clarke
Scott Coffey*
Frank Collison
Lisa Coronado
Catherine E. Coulson*
Grace Victoria Cox
Jonny Coyne
James Croak
Julee Cruise*
Heather D'Angelo
Jan D'Arcy*
David Dastmalchian
Jeremy Davies
Owain Rhys Davies
Ana de la Reguera
Rebekah Del Rio
Laura Dern
Neil Dickson
Hugh Dillon
Cullen Douglas
Edward "Ted" Dowlin
Judith Drake
David Duchovny*
Christopher Durbin
Francesca Eastwood
Eric Edelstein
John Ennis
Josh Fadem
Tikaeni Faircrest
Eamon Farren
Sherilyn Fenn*
Jay R. Ferguson
Sky Ferreira
Miguel Ferrer*
Rebecca Field
Robin Finck
Brian Finney
Patrick Fischler
Erika Forster
Robert Forster
Meg Foster
Travis Frost
Warren Frost*
Pierce Gagnon
Allen Galli
Hailey Gates
Brett Gelman
Ivy George
Balthazar Getty
James Giordano
Harry Goaz*
Grant Goodeve
George Griffith
Tad Griffith
James Grixoni
Cornelia Guest
Travis Hammer
Hank Harris
Annie Hart
Andrea Hays*
Stephen Heath
Heath Hensley
Gary Hershberger*
Michael Horse*
Ernie Hudson
Jay Jee
Jesse Johnson
Caleb Landry Jones
Ashley Judd
Luke Judy
Stephen Kearin
David Patrick Kelly*
Laura Kenny
Dep Kirkland
Robert Knepper
David Koechner
Virginia Kull
Nicole LaLiberte
Jay Larson
Sheryl Lee*
Jennifer Jason Leigh
Jane Levy
Matthew Lillard
Jeremy Lindholm
Peggy Lipton*
Bellina Martin Logan*
Sarah Jean Long
David Lynch*
Riley Lynch
Shane Lynch
Kyle MacLachlan*
Mark Mahoney
Karl Makinen
Malone
Xolo Maridueña
Berenice Marlohe
Rob Mars
James Marshall*
Elisabeth Maurus
Josh McDermitt
Everett McGill*
Zoe McLane
Derek Mears
Clark Middleton
Greg Mills
James Morrison
Christopher Murray
Don Murray
Joy Nash
Priya Diane Niehaus
Bill O'Dell
Casey O'Neill
Johnny Ochsner
Walter Olkewicz*
Charity Parenzini
Elias Nelson Parenzini
John Paulsen
Sara Paxton
Max Perlich
Linas Phillips
Tracy Phillips
John Pirruccello
Linda Porter
Jelani Quinn
Ruth Radelet
Mary Reber
Adele René
Mariqueen Reznor
Trent Reznor
Carolyn P. Riggs
Kimmy Robertson*
Wendy Robie*
Erik L. Rondell
Marv Rosand*
Ben Rosenfield
Tim Roth
Rod Rowland
Carlton Lee Russell*
Elena Satine
John Savage
Amanda Seyfried
Amy Shiels
Sawyer Shipman
Tom Sizemore
Sara Sohn
Malachy Sreenan
Harry Dean Stanton*
J.R. Starr
Bob Stephenson
Charlotte Stewart*
Emily Stofle
Al Strobel*
Carel Struycken*
Ethan Suplee
Sabrina S. Sutherland
Jessica Szohr
Russ Tamblyn*
Bill Tangradi
Cynthia Lauren Tewes
Jodee Thelen
Jack Torrey
Sharon Van Etten
Eddie Vedder
Greg Vrotsos
Jake Wardle
Naomi Watts
Nafessa Williams
Ray Wise*
Alicia Witt*
Karolina Wydra
Charlyne Yi
Nae Yuuki
Grace Zabriskie*
Christophe Zajac-Denek
Madeline Zima
Blake Zingale
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 25, 2016, 05:36:04 PM
Personal highlights:

Jeremy Davies
Rebekah Del Rio
Laura Dern
David Duchovny*
Robert Forster
Josh McDermitt
Trent Reznor
Naomi Watts
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: polkablues on April 25, 2016, 06:51:37 PM
Monica MFing Bellucci.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Tortuga on July 14, 2016, 06:23:20 AM
(https://whatimg.com/i/sCicHw.jpg)

Twin Peaks special at Senses of Cinema. Several articles that seem to be pretty in-depth. I haven't read everything yet, myself.

http://sensesofcinema.com/issues/issue-79/

From the intro text:
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Whether Twin Peaks, including as much of its ageing original cast as were able to participate, will seem dated or innovative in this new context remains to be seen, and can currently only be the subject of speculation, given the high levels of secrecy surrounding its production. Instead, this dossier offers a re-examination of the earlier seasons of the show, but in the light of its re-emergence into this transformed televisual environment. While each of the five articles are markedly different, they share an interest in televisual aesthetics, an interest that is also apparent in contemporary work in television studies, of which the clearest example is the recent collection Television Aesthetics and Style 6

(...)

From today’s perspective, however, it is possible to see the show in a different light, less as misplaced cinema, and more in terms of television aesthetics; rather than the lack detected by critics of the show such as Nochimson and Jonathan Rosenbaum in relation to Lynch’s cinema, Twin Peaks can now be viewed as a key exemplar of television aesthetics that, however much it borrowed from cinematic techniques in terms of both visual mise en scène and sound design, and however much it relayed some of Lynch’s signature style as a cinematic auteur, did so precisely and deliberately as an early example of complex television. In terms of narrative complexity, audiovisual style and audience engagement, this was an innovative mode of television, and yet it was still made within the parameters and constraints of 1990s US network television; constraints that make its aesthetic achievements all the more remarkable. It is precisely these aesthetic accomplishments that the articles within this dossier seek to address, through approaches to neglected or under-examined aspects of Twin Peaks television aesthetics.

Introduction – “I’ll See You in 25 Years”: The Return of Twin Peaks and Television Aesthetics (http://sensesofcinema.com/2016/twin-peaks/return-of-twin-peaks/)

May the Giant Be With You: Twin Peaks Season Two, Episode One and the Television Auteur
 (http://sensesofcinema.com/2016/twin-peaks/lynch-televison-auteur/)
Tensions in the World of Moon: Twin Peaks, Indigeneity and Territoriality (http://sensesofcinema.com/2016/twin-peaks/twin-peaks-indigeneity-territoriality/)

Telephones, Voice Recorders, Microphones, Phonographs: A Media Archaeology of Sonic Technologies in Twin Peaks
 (http://sensesofcinema.com/2016/twin-peaks/sonic-technologies-in-twin-peaks/)
One Way Out Between Two Worlds: The Dance Moves of Twin Peaks (http://sensesofcinema.com/2016/twin-peaks/dance-in-twin-peaks/)

“Damn Fine Coffee” Advertising: David Lynch’s TV Commercial Adaptation of Twin Peaks  (http://sensesofcinema.com/2016/twin-peaks/26839/) <-- this one looks especially fun
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Fernando on September 15, 2016, 10:55:28 AM
http://www.vulture.com/2016/09/twin-peaks-songs-stories-angelo-badalamenti.html

Angelo Badalamenti Tells the Stories Behind 5 Twin Peaks Songs

“David was right here, sitting in your chair, almost five years ago,” Angelo Badalamenti reminisced in the sun room of his suburban New Jersey home last month. “He said, ‘Angelo, how do you feel about Twin Peaks 25 years later?’ I said, ‘What are you talking about? 25 years later? What’s not to like. It’s Twin Peaks.’” Badalamenti, of course, was bound to be one of the first people to be looped in on David Lynch's upcoming Twin Peaks revival — as the Grammy-winning composer of Twin Peaks’ entire series, as well as the prequel film Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me, Badalamenti’s hauntingly beautiful original score is widely considered to be the greatest in television history, effortlessly combining smokey jazz and synth-pop to accompany the goings-on in the quirky northwestern town. A longtime collaborator of Lynch’s, the two met in the mid-1980s when Badalamenti was brought in to assist Isabella Rossellini with her vocals for Blue Velvet’s title song; after Twin Peaks’ cancellation, he went on to score the Lynch films Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive, and The Straight Story. But while Badalamenti held a steady career outside of the Lynchian universe — his other work includes The Wicker Man, A Very Long Engagement, and Stalingrad — there was something "beautiful" about Lynch that just couldn't be replicated with any other director.

“I have a very special way of working with David,” he continued. “I always feel so guilty because composing all of his projects throughout all of these years has been so easy. It's effortless. I never had to sweat, I never had to work hard. You can go to bed that night and say, I wrote it, it’s done, that’s it. It’s not like working with other directors. When David says something, that is it, he doesn’t change his mind. He knows. Easy as pie.”

In honor of the show's revival, premiering next year on Showtime — as well as a new book, Beyond the Beyond: Music From the Films of David Lynch, out now — we asked Badalamenti to tell the stories and inspirations behind five popular songs from Twin Peaks.

“Laura Palmer’s Theme”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khMlcTE7lw8

“I have an old Fender Rhodes keyboard, the keys are nearly broken by now. But just about all of those early tracks with David were composed on it. He came to my office and the first thing we wrote was ‘Laura Palmer’s Theme.’ Whenever we started something, I would always tell David, just write me lyrics. You never have to write me a complete lyric, but give me a title, maybe one or two lines, and that’s enough for me to compose a piece of music. So David would sit next to me at the keyboard. If he had an idea or a project in mind, like in the case of Twin Peaks, he would talk about the possibility of music in very simple terms. For ‘Laura Palmer’s Theme,’ he described a lonely girl coming from out in the woods, and the sycamore trees calmly blowing in the wind, and then make me start on a melody. He would always speak very softly in my ear, and I would play something the whole time while he was speaking. Oh, Angelo, we’re in the dark woods, that’s good, that’s good. Play it slower. De-da-de-da-de-da. Play it slower, okay. Angelo, yeah, that’s good, you slowed up, but play it slower. I would say, ‘David, how much slower can I play it?’ ‘Play it slower!’

As a side-note, the drummer, Grady Tate, who was in our sessions for most of the Twin Peaks stuff, would joke they I played on two tempos: slow and reverse, which is so true. Anyway, David kept talking in my ear to create the music for Laura. Keep it going, keep it going, keep it going. A beautiful teenage girl is coming, she’s very lonely, she’s got tears in her eyes, and she’s in trouble. So I changed it from that woods theme and segued it into another major key, and it flowed out and I started on a unifying theme. As David heard the music and the theme, he kept talking to me, that theme’s beautiful, let the theme build slowly, keep it going, she’s coming closer and closer to the camera. I kept playing the same notes. She’s getting close, you can see her face, Angelo, she’s in pain, reach a climax. Now come back slowly, take it back and come on down slowly. That’s the ticket! I went down slowly and came back into the dark woods. That was it.

David has the cassettes in his vault of what exactly happened. I remember after that, he was in tears, he thought it was so beautiful. He said to me, ‘Angelo, you caught the whole mood of Twin Peaks.’ Before he even shot anything! I said, ‘Well, David, I’m going to go home and work on it.’ He said, Angelo, don’t touch a note, you better not touch a single note. And I didn’t. I improvised every note of the song just by him talking to me. ‘Laura Palmer’s Theme’ is probably the most famous theme of the whole show. When you hear it, everybody knows it. It perfectly covers the darkness of the show.”

“Audrey’s Dance”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF43b38k0Mw

“It’s so dreamy. It’s melodically and harmonically a little off-centered, like you can’t place what exactly is off with it. For this song, I got involved in the use of suspensions. I had been working with them in music for a bit beforehand. Suspensions are dissonant notes that work in chords that rub against the melody. They rub against it and create a nice tension, and sometimes you take that dissonance, resolve it, and go to another melody. For ‘Audrey’s Dance,’ David sent me something for her specifically. He wanted the song to be slightly dreamy, but slightly upbeat. Something creepy-beautiful. So I got involved with the vibraphone and some keyboards to create that disbalance. I conjured up a strange melody that still sounded beautiful. It sounds like notes that don’t belong in a regular triad, but it just flowed for me and it seemed right to build on it. Then, when we actually recorded it, there are a lot of abstract things going on behind it that I added. There are clarinets doing weird notes, and snapping, for instance, but it still maintains such a great feel. It worked perfectly. And who’s more beautiful and sexy than Sherilyn Fenn?”

“Dance of the Dream Man”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKBRyNNW3u0

“David said I should compose something that’s more rhythmic than anything we had done before, so we started with [finger] snaps. Those snaps were generated on a very early computer, believe it or not. Then we found a tempo and bass line. The beautiful part about it was when I called the session to record it, a good friend of mine, Al Regni, a saxophone player, was able to record with me. We were in the same college class together. Al was in town doing other recording sessions and I said to him, ‘I gotta do a song that has a really jazzy and bluesy feel to it.’ I laid down a basic track with rhythm, piano, bass, drum, vibes, guitar, and I really needed the saxophone. I had written for Al six or seven bars of the opening motif lines. That’s all Al needed. Right from there, he started improvising, he just went with it. Before you knew it, David said, ‘My god, this is good for The Man From Another Place.’ I owe that all to Al, he played that sax so beautifully.

Here’s a secret I used in Twin Peaks, which came up while recording ‘Dance of the Dream Man’: I used a special technique because I recorded many, many hours of music for the show. If you came to my studio, you would see hundreds of original tapes and master mixes. Let’s say I would call an ensemble recording session with piano, bass, drums, guitar, synth, saxophone, you name it. Whenever I wrote a piece, like ‘Dance of the Dream Man,’ the instrumentals were all played at once. However, I made sure I recorded every instrument separately, and that they were all on their own tracks and not bleeding onto any other track. So I had my definitive mix of the whole track, but then I would take certain things out, like the drums alone — you could do a cue for a particular scene with just the drums! Then I would do a mix of drums and bass, and that’s another sound, like background music when people walk through the Great Northern. And then I would do a mix of drum, bass, and vibes for another sound for another scene. Essentially, I had every single instrument individually recorded and I could mix them with other instruments. I had a great music editor for Twin Peaks named Lori Eschler, who loved this technique. Especially when we went on from the first season to the second season, different directors would come in and Lori would have all of those tracks, hours and hours and hours of music, that I composed and mixed since the pilot. So if she had a scene with a new director and needed new music, I would say, ‘Try this, try that, it’s the same but different.’ It still had all of the key themes and chords, but just different sounds. It’s a great idea. David loved it, too.”

“The Bookhouse Boys”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBzOS2_mGAM

“What I did for ‘The Bookhouse Boys’ was put together a musical montage for the album. Together I weaved radically contrasting motifs, sounds, and themes, and I think this track covers a lot about the show and the marriage of its music. When I listen to that track, it encompasses so much. One theme goes into another; there are different sounds, different harmonies, different melodies, but it’s so Twin Peaks. It has its own identity. It starts with ‘Dance of the Dream Man’ — the saxophone is way in the background and has a lot of reverb, and it starts doing this echo thing. And then as the saxophone is going, I superimposed quick, fast-tempo drums against and under it. You have just two instrumentals going, snare and bass drum, and then as that’s going I layered in other identifying things with the finger snaps and the low bass. Now all of those are going together and they’re all being layered. Finally, I introduced ‘Laura Palmer’s Theme’ near the end, and I used a little abstract, off-center motifs after that, just like I did for ‘Audrey’s Dance.’ I chose to close that track with an angelic sound. It’s a weird ride.”


“Falling” / “Twin Peaks Theme”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7d0Lm_31BE

“David and I were composing and producing a debut album for Julee Cruise, who’s an absolutely wonderful singer, called Floating Into the Night. We all worked together earlier on the song ‘Mysteries of Love’ from Blue Velvet, and we both realized she had such a special voice. So, David gave me a few lyrics and boom, we got Julee to record that song for her album. One of the lyrics was ‘falling.’ He legitimately just wrote ‘falling’ to begin with. Nothing else — very helpful, David. I don’t think there was any thought about Twin Peaks because ‘Falling’ was recorded about a year prior. We were just working with Julee and writing songs. When we recorded, in some cases I actually put an instrumental melody on top of the track. With the vocal, you don’t ever play the melody with the singer. So we just happened to have that particular melody. About a year later, much to my surprise, David started to edit Twin Peaks and he showed me one of the very first cuts of the show. It was the titles, and what do you know, there’s the instrumental of ‘Falling.’ Oh my god! He used my instrumentals as the main title theme! I had no earthly idea. He thought that the song should be there. I had nothing to do with it. He heard it and said, ‘Angelo, this is the title. This is the identity of Twin Peaks.’ It was a dream come true.

Three opening notes, that’s all it took. That little motif just had that magic and we lucked on that sound. I was getting letters from all kinds of musicians and top guys in the business, asking, ‘What is that?’ We never really disclosed it. There’s no synth that has that sound, and it’s much too low to be an electric guitar, and it’s not a bass. So, what is it? The greatest musicians in the world couldn’t figure it out. Later on we exposed that it was a Duane Eddy special sample combination of a sound and a synthesizer, played an octave lower than what it really was. Then we doubled it with another kind of very low guitar sound. We kept that quiet because we didn’t want anyone else to use it.”
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Post by: Fernando on September 30, 2016, 02:04:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kdgYzPIugg
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Fernando on October 18, 2016, 11:23:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8c0LIYWyaM
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Post by: Fernando on January 10, 2017, 10:52:54 AM
Official release date: May 21

The 18-hour limited event series will debut with a two-hour premiere on Sunday, May 21 at 9 p.m. Immediately following the premiere, Showtime subscribers will have access to the third and fourth hours, exclusively across the Showtime streaming service and Showtime On Demand. In its second week, “Twin Peaks” will air the third and fourth hours back-to-back on the linear network, starting at 9 p.m., followed by one-hour episodes in subsequent weeks.
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Post by: KJ on March 24, 2017, 02:18:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wKoGhY8.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 04, 2017, 02:07:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB2naaQZbfI
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Post by: Drenk on May 16, 2017, 07:56:11 AM
IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN.

I can't wait to see what Lynch does, but also how the story continues...
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Post by: jenkins on May 22, 2017, 03:33:26 AM
its pacing calms me.
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Post by: Sleepless on May 22, 2017, 08:52:39 AM
I need some more time to process my thoughts, but I loved it. This is what a revival of a cult classic 90s TV show should be. Not at all what I expected (feel free to substitute hoped for/dreaded) but better than I could imagine. Perfection. I'm in love with David lynch all over again. This is his epic. Nods to Eraserhead, Wild At Heart, Blue Velvet, Lost Highway, and even Mulholland Drive, but it never feels reductive or cynical. Beautiful. Hypnotic. I feel like my mind has been bathing in something profound. Like I've been meditating. The aged original cast adds to the sense of the Black Lodge's vastness over time and space. I teared up at the scene with Shelly and James at the Bang Bang Bar. Also, give Lynch all the awards for sound design now and get it over with. Just wow.
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Post by: KJ on May 22, 2017, 09:24:10 AM
The opposite of selling out. 
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 22, 2017, 12:36:26 PM
I am so happy right now. Amazed that he actually got this onto TV, and that a lot of people are watching it. (More thoughts when I finish what's available.)

FYI: Showtime is available as an addon to Amazon Prime.
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Post by: Drenk on May 22, 2017, 03:46:58 PM
I can't believe they let him do whatever he wanted.

Episode 3 is something else. TV loves to think it's weird now...and I thought it kind of was...then I saw episode 3. And...well...

I remember that Lynch that "the core of it is Agent Cooper's odyssey back to Twin Peaks" and it really feels like that. The town of Twin Peaks is distant in the show now, as if it were in another world, and we can't quite get there yet. Of course, it might have been because of different schedules, etc. But they made it work in the narrative. The ending of the premiere was weirdly moving...
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Post by: Sleepless on May 22, 2017, 04:00:25 PM
I want to spend more time with the first two episodes before going on to 3 and 4. Talking about rewatching and percolating. Plenty of time before #5 is available.
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Post by: KJ on May 22, 2017, 04:16:42 PM
I want to spend more time with the first two episodes before going on to 3 and 4. Talking about rewatching and percolating. Plenty of time tbefore #5 is available.

I've already rewatched the first two episodes.  They definitely grew on me when I saw 3 and 4 and understood what they where going for. 

It feels so weird watching new episodes of this. I saw the first seasons 10 years ago so I can't imagine how weird it must feel if you actually saw this 25 years ago.
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Post by: Sleepless on May 23, 2017, 08:44:43 AM
"Twin Peaks," Episodes 1 & 2 Recap: Do Not Drop Up (https://mubi.com/notebook/posts/twin-peaks-episodes-1-2-recap-do-not-drop-up) (Mubi)
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 23, 2017, 11:08:13 PM
This is the song that ends Episode 3...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBRYIIrGg2E
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on May 26, 2017, 09:13:51 PM
hello all! hope you guys are doing well. i wanted to share my thoughts on parts 1-4 (spoiler free)

basically, i think lynch reinventedTV ....again

and fro any negative comments...keep in minds its ab 18hr film. WAIT until ep 18 credits are complete.

sorry that im not typing more. i miss the times on here where i could chat longer.
but again i love it.

and again. i hope all is well with you guys - miss y'all. wish it was 2003 again.
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Post by: The Ultimate Badass on May 26, 2017, 10:29:28 PM
I Started watching the the original series when I heard about the new series on Showtime. I'm currently on episode 3 of the 2nd season. I plan to watch the full run of the original series, then Fire Walk With Me, then The Missing Pieces before watching the new series.

I was never really into Lynch before this, but watching this show has mad me a fan and makes me want to watch his other films which, aside from the Elephant Man, I have never really been especially interested in for the most part. That said, the original series is really hit or miss so far, but the hits are so so much bigger than the misses. It's quite amazing to realize this show aired on broadcast television in the very early 90s.

Anyways, I look forward to contributing here after I've circumnavigated the preexisting world of Twin Peaks.
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Post by: N on May 28, 2017, 05:02:27 AM
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/30e7d28bd426b610c872661869bc2fc1/tumblr_oqmzxxR1Py1r6b5xfo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on May 30, 2017, 10:51:55 AM
We've had two episodes mention Philip Jeffries, and yet no "in memory" for Bowie in any end credits so far. Anyone care to speculate whether he actually did secretly shoot a cameo before he passed?
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Post by: KJ on June 11, 2017, 10:52:11 PM
I think I might wait and binge-watch the next 2-3 episodes.  It's feels like i'm watching a film 10 minutes at a time and it's pretty annoying.  Good so far tho!
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Post by: Sleepless on June 13, 2017, 08:41:31 AM
Yes, agree with that vibe. But that's what it is, a 18 hour movie. The "episodic" elements of the show feel like they're only there to placate/infuriate the viewer. Somewhere said that the most recent ep was the best since #1. Not sure I agree with that, but it did feel a bit more cohesive than some of the past few. But even the previous episode had three standout moments that this one lacked.

I'm kinda mad at myself because I called Laura Dern but neglected to post here.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 23, 2017, 01:18:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4nAvDXpvHk
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Post by: Drenk on June 25, 2017, 10:44:47 PM
FOLKS.
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Post by: jenkins on June 26, 2017, 03:46:03 AM
I felt proud of America. it's going to result in some awkward disagreements between me and other people, but also high-fives with some others
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Post by: Just Withnail on June 26, 2017, 03:58:26 AM
That was sublime.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 27, 2017, 12:32:34 AM
Um. Yeah. That was definitely one of the most magnificent things to ever be on television.

SPOILERS

I was like, wow I did not expect a NIN concert video in the middle of this episode, that's weird! Oh how naive I was. David Lynch just does what he wants. I feel like he has now reached total dominance.

That frog-roach, though. Really. And those freaking demons. I was just almost done being haunted by the icepick murder scene from two weeks ago.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 27, 2017, 01:00:05 AM
Um. Yeah. That was definitely one of the most magnificent things to ever be on television.

SPOILERS

I was like, wow I did not expect a NIN concert video in the middle of this episode, that's weird! Oh how naive I was. David Lynch just does what he wants. I feel like he has now reached total dominance.

That frog-roach, though. Really. And those freaking demons. I was just almost done being haunted by the icepick murder scene from two weeks ago.


MORE SPOILERS

Back to 308...

I see conflicting accounts of the woodsman's poem. At least 3 different ones. This should be right, though. It's what the subtitles say and definitely seems to be accurate:


This is the water and this is the well
Drink full and descend
The horse is the white of the eyes and dark within
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Post by: Sleepless on June 27, 2017, 09:19:26 AM
I was like, wow I did not expect a NIN concert video in the middle of this episode, that's weird! Oh how naive I was.

^ My thoughts exactly!

It's a sort of relief to learn there's no new episode next week. It'll give me some more time to rewatch and process this a bit more.

Lynch grew up in the post-atomic era, and as such his childhood was colored by the conflicting aspects of 20th century Americana: apple pies and A-bombs. So when we first got that shot of the mushroom cloud, I had a huge smile on my face. And then... Well...

He's always been preoccupied by this dichotomy of light and dark, good and evil, and I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this origin story says. Is it that the world was a lot simpler or a lot more complex before humankind split the atom and wielded such power, and wrought such destruction? I don't know. Part of me feels like we're witnessing Lynch's self-portrait of his own creation. There's definitely some similarities to the opening "fertilization" of Eraserhead, and although the timing doesn't quite work, it could be seen as lining up to baby Lynch in utero. This masterpiece is tied to his own life story and creativity. It also negates my original question of whether the blast caused a more harmonious (and thus complex) existence of good and evil or cast the two of them as more or less parallel opposites. It's both. It's neither. Because before Lynch was born, there was no world. The blast was the beginning of everything.

Let's talk about the orbs containing Bob and Laura Palmer. One and the same, or opposite sides of the same coin? We've already seen Laura in the Black Lodge can be terrifying. We've seen her remove her face mask and expose the bright white radiation within. Maybe the Woodsman is Bob, the embodiment of darkness, eternally searching, hopelessly, for some light. But he repulses and scares everyone, so that he can only hope to get close to what he wants by leaning into the darkness and violently going after it.

Laura, we know, is the embodiment of conflicting natures - purity and sinful - and where else have we seen that before? Very recently? And before, repeatedly. In her mother, Sarah Palmer. Watching violent nature documentaries, and simultaneously being repulsed and aroused by them. The actress that plays her is Grace Zabriskie. She would have been 15 years old in 1956, which seems a fit for the Girl we see in the 1956 sequence of this episode. I believe that the "bug" we saw crawl into the Girl's mouth was born of the Laura orb, and the Girl is young Sarah Palmer. The Laura orb is taking a different path, but essentially wants the same thing as Bob. Lightness in a world of darkness. But even "Laura" cannot pursuit that path without Bob's help - hypnotizing an entire town in order to find sanctuary in this chaste young woman. The pursuit of goodness requires the aid of evil. And vice verse. They are one and the same.

Maybe that's what this is all about - the unyielding human pursuit of contentment, a quest for transcendental enlightenment. But there is always darkness and evil in the world. Even Laura could not avoid it. No-one in Twin Peaks can. But there are those who seem a lot closer to "enlightenment" than others. People who have experienced trying times, but by embracing normality, doing their best to be good neighbors, live positive lives, living fairly mundane and unspectacular existences. We've seen several of them already in this revival. Perhaps Bobby, Andy, and Lucy, most notably. People who, despite the horrors they encountered in the show's original run, have found normality and continued with their own lives, finding something fairly close to happiness, but all too aware that darkness still lurks all around them.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 27, 2017, 12:56:14 PM
SPOILS

I think we have to first interpret the shadow mother that projectile vomits that stream of stuff (garmonbozia?) which contains the Bob orb. Is all of that still happening inside the explosion, as if a netherworld was created inside the blast? Or did the explosion create a connection with a pre-existing netherworld?

There are some egg-like objects in the vomit. That might be where the egg came from, which we see hatch later.

I kind of hope that girl is not Sarah Palmer, because I don't see a connection that makes sense to me. The frog-roach seems to be malevolent, but I don't see that kind of malevolence in Sarah or Laura. Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think we can conclude from this episode what's going on there. Perhaps we'll get more of this origin story.

...

"Horse to the well" is a phrase repeated at least twice in Inland Empire. Now the woodsman is talking about "the horse" and "the well" in Twin Peaks. The woodsman looks like the man behind Winkie's. At least one character from Mulholland Drive appears in Inland Empire. Shared universe? (Probably not, but this is fun.)

Anything else? Trent Reznor, playing at the club, looks a lot like Bill Pullman in Lost Highway. Patrick Fischler appears in Mulholland Drive and Twin Peaks, and the conspiracy here has similarities to the casting conspiracy in Mulholland Drive. Brent Briscoe plays a detective in both MD and Twin Peaks, and maybe Robert Forster served as his partner while Harry was still sheriff.
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Post by: polkablues on July 03, 2017, 10:41:59 PM
New theory: Evil Cooper's look is definitely based on modern-day Quentin Tarantino.

EDIT: Apparently I need to find a different photo host than Photobucket now...
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on July 08, 2017, 02:37:56 PM
An expansion of my thoughts above: The Road to Twin Peaks: Thoughts on The Return So Far (http://www.davidtharwood.com/blog/the-road-to-twin-peaks-thoughts-on-the-return-so-far/)

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Post by: polkablues on July 10, 2017, 11:10:40 PM
http://thesearchforthezone.com/
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Post by: Fernando on July 11, 2017, 01:36:29 PM
Finally I'm caught up, so far 308 takes the cake in the wtf is going on category in an awesome way, but my fave wtf moment are the first 17 minutes of 303, those were a thing of beauty.

308 reminded me of Ronnie rocket (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=6826.0), that script that leaked years ago, never read the whole thing but somehow I thought about it.
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Post by: WorldForgot on July 17, 2017, 01:58:12 AM

308 reminded me of Ronnie rocket (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=6826.0), that script that leaked years ago, never read the whole thing but somehow I thought about it.

Yeah I really got the feeling that he amped up on the electricity concept that could have been with RR.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: WorldForgot on July 17, 2017, 01:58:36 AM

308 reminded me of Ronnie rocket (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=6826.0), that script that leaked years ago, never read the whole thing but somehow I thought about it.

Yeah, I too, have been getting the feeling that he amped up on the electricity concept that could have been with RR.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on July 17, 2017, 08:33:51 AM
Some great stuff in last night's episode, but I guess everyone else is going to play catchup in favor of GOT now? The Horne family drama is quickly shaping up into the primary conventional narrative, meanwhile the Log Lady scenes were some of the most moving moments of the show so far for me personally. I'm head over heels in love with this show and in a constant state of butterflies. It's Lynch's eulogy to himself and all the people he has loved and worked with.
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Post by: Drenk on July 17, 2017, 09:40:19 AM
It felt like a transition after last week's transition, but the long song at the end makes me think that now we're, as the Log Lady fears, losing the glow...ENTER DARKNESS. What I like from this season–but can't articulate yet before it ends-is the collection of mini-scenes leading to nothing...before It continues...six weeks later. Now that time is running out, I wonder if it will go on that way. Or if we are heading toward some kind of convergence. It feels like they could go on for 50 episodes. But I don't feel like they're slowing the pace.

Albert "what happens in season 2?" and the Mitchums wtfing after watching Candy on the screen show that Lynch & Frost are very aware of playing with the codes and the viewers.

On Twitter I read: "Tammy is the new Cooper." Very true.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: WorldForgot on July 17, 2017, 03:44:33 PM
It feels like they could go on for 50 episodes. But I don't feel like they're slowing the pace.

This is the feeling I got from the latest episode. Although the circle is almost complete for Our Characters, The Return has shown us that there are many more lives affected by Twin Peaks, and that its history flows in both directions. I wonder where Lynch's vision will leave us, and I hope it is as open-ended as the Szn 2 finale.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: polkablues on July 17, 2017, 08:04:57 PM
I can suspend my disbelief about an awful lot when it comes to this show, but the music acts that the roadhouse in this rural Western Washington logging town keeps booking are really pushing it. Ancient malevolent forces, fine. Alternate planes of reality clashing and co-mingling, I'm totally on board. Ethereal chamber retro goth music at a venue that would realistically be booking nothing but Hinder cover bands? You lost me.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Fernando on July 17, 2017, 11:06:16 PM
I can suspend my disbelief about an awful lot when it comes to this show, but the music acts that the roadhouse in this rural Western Washington logging town keeps booking are really pushing it. Ancient malevolent forces, fine. Alternate planes of reality clashing and co-mingling, I'm totally on board. Ethereal chamber retro goth music at a venue that would realistically be booking nothing but Hinder cover bands? You lost me.

But...it is Twin Peaks, they have this dance music on their jukebox:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b64KyEFVhg
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 19, 2017, 12:20:44 AM
This is from a fun interview with the guy who plays scumbag Richard Horne. Here he describes getting cast by Lynch over the phone. No audition, no rehearsal...

http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/eamon-farren-twin-peaks-lynchian-villain.html

He called me at home in Australia on a Sunday a week before I left to come. He asked if I had any questions and I said, Yeah, I have a bunch of questions, can I ask who I’m playing? He said, No buddy, not really. Come over here and come into this cool forest and make a cool thing with cool people. So that’s all I had. I jumped on a plane the morning after we closed The Present and I arrived in Seattle and started shooting. With the whole thing, because we only get scenes only on the day of, I threw myself into it not really knowing anything. That was a really cool way to work — I turned up. I had brief chats with Lynch about little things not really to do with the character, it was more about each other and sharing a laugh. I got a sense of Richard from the writing. It’s all on the page, really. That’s the great thing about Lynch. The writing is so particular. I didn’t have a lot of go on except in the moment on the day, and that was a really great experience, to throw yourself in and find yourself in the moment. We usually only did one or two takes for each scene. If there’s anyone you’re going to trust in the world, it’s going to be David Lynch.
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Post by: Drenk on July 19, 2017, 03:11:40 AM
I don't entirely understand why he would do that with his actors. It's the firs time, right? I understand the fear of any leak, but what's more important? Hype and mystery or your actors knowing who they are playing?
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Post by: Sleepless on July 19, 2017, 08:46:36 AM
This is total speculation, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's done it in the past. Eraserhead took so long to make, it inevitably changed along the way, so the actors probably didn't know everything they were signing on for at the start. Of course, the majority of stuff he's done since then has gone through the conventional studio process, so there would at least have been a completed script for all to see. But it wouldn't surprise me if he'd pulled similar stuff on shorts he'd done over the year (The Cowboy and the Frenchman, Rabbits) and Inland Empire - or even smaller part actors on a lot of his stuff. There are plenty of stories of Lynch casting parts simply by having coffee with actors in a diner and getting a feel for them, just talking about cars and bullshit, and then offering them the part without so much as a scene reading. I don't think he does any of this is with the intention of being secretive for secretive's sake (or to create hype and mystery as you put it). He wants his audience to be kept in the dark until they can experience his creations in the manner he envisions, but it's a completely different thing with his actors - it's part of his process, and as a result he gets performances which are different than any other director would achieve.
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Post by: Drenk on July 19, 2017, 09:02:49 AM
Actors having scripts with only their lines and nothing else seems a bit too much for me. I would be pissed. But I agree that actors giving their best intuition is more of a method than a love for secrecy.
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Post by: The Ultimate Badass on July 21, 2017, 10:50:56 PM
There have been a couple very heavy riffs on Kubrick in the last few episodes. There was the virtual homage to 2001 a couple episodes back and now we have the scene in the last episode where Richard violently robs his grandma's house while Johnny watches, bound and helpless -- an almost note for note reinterpretation ( regurgitation)  of the Singing In The Rape scene from A Clockwork Orange.

Also, does anyone else see the strong influence of John From Cincinnati in Dougie Jones? They're uncannily similar.
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Post by: WorldForgot on July 22, 2017, 02:47:25 PM
an almost note for note reinterpretation ( regurgitation)  of the Singing In The Rape scene from A Clockwork Orange.


I don't know how this is the first time I've heard it called this!

And yeah Lynch is geeking out, endearingly so, in The Return. Numerous Brando references. (Is James a commentary on old world rebels? Braindeadfuccboizz??)
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 25, 2017, 01:19:20 AM
This was one of my favorite episodes so far. I especially loved the first half, which gave us deliciously condensed Lynchian goodness all the way through.

SPOILS

We might not have needed a full 22 minutes of Dougie content, but at least that story is moving forward.

The honking woman scene got the biggest reaction out of me. That was so glorious! I lost it. This could be one of the best Lynch scenes ever.
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Post by: Drenk on July 25, 2017, 06:39:24 AM
SPOILERS?

Yep. One of the best. I can't express how damn fine Kyle MacLachlan is this season. The two Coops have to show no expression and he manages, without showing expression, to give a lot out of Dougie and Mister C. What we tend to forget is that Dougie is the Cooper we know. He's trying to get out. I'm not frustrated by the time it takes and, even if some scenes are repetitive, I was very happy to have twenty minutes of Dougie for this episode. The last scene was very moving.
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Post by: WorldForgot on July 25, 2017, 11:57:06 AM
Thank you, Albert. For pulling Gordon back out of that time-current.
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Post by: Drenk on July 25, 2017, 12:44:37 PM
I wanted him to go there! Fuck you, Albert!
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Post by: Drenk on August 01, 2017, 09:01:59 AM
It was as much trolling as it was a statement, right? Every scene of the episode was overlong; and then, it climaxed with the Audrey scene that is pure trolling, name dropping total unknowns as if we were not following the same show. Which is how that season works—and sometimes doesn't work. The show keeps repeating to us that life went on without us.

And even when things do happen it's as if the show kept insisting on the fact that we haven't been with the characters or in this world for two decades. Imagine being some kind of omniscient spirit going back to Twin Peaks. It would feel like that. That's why I like the scenes with complete strangers. (They're also very creepy.)

Between the scene with Audrey and Gordon and Albert who can't remember that they're not asking Diane or anyone about DOUGIE FUCKING JONES whose name was written on an alliance inside MAJOR FUCKING BRIGGS dead body, that episode was almost sadistic. I doubt it will resolve in some kind of big showdown in Twin Peaks. Everytime the season moved forward we got an episode like this one where people—known or unknown—are more concerned about the drame of their lives, a drama absolutely invisible to us.

Or sometimes what's important is to say to someone not to sell his blood.

You know, I'm grateful for Twin Peaks this summer. It holds the weeks together. This is an experiment and it fails as much as it succeeds. It is self indulgent. But it's always a thrill to start a new episode.

Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: polkablues on August 01, 2017, 12:21:38 PM
I've kind of hated every episode since 8. David Lynch doesn't need complete freedom, he needs reasonable boundaries to push against.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 02, 2017, 11:45:39 PM
I'll be honest, that Ben Horne scene was really slow and long, and to no discernible effect.

That was the exception, though. The other elongated scenes worked for me. The very next scene, in fact, knocked my socks off — the one with Gordon's lady friend taking forever to leave. I thought it was ridiculously funny with a bounty of quirky delights. My favorite part is when she kisses her hand then can't decide where to touch Gordon's face. And it ends with that enigmatic exchange of looks between Gordon and Albert (a potency that was missing in Ben Horne's scene).

And I loved the rest of the episode.

Generally, I don't think Lynch's freedom is a problem, I think it's a blessing from the gods. It's a strange miracle of the universe that anyone ever paid for this to be produced.

I don't even always feel comfortable judging the new Twin Peaks, in the same way I wouldn't go to an art gallery and grade each piece. It's there for you to experience if you're into it.

Drenk, I love what you're saying, but I don't think it's fair to say it "fails as much as it succeeds." I guess it depends how you define success. If success means David Lynch realizing his vision, I think this completely succeeds. I don't expect anything else. The show has obliterated any and all other specific expectations at this point.
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Post by: The Ultimate Badass on August 04, 2017, 11:44:19 PM
I've kind of hated every episode since 8. David Lynch doesn't need complete freedom, he needs reasonable boundaries to push against.

Yes. Yes. Fucking Yes.

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Post by: Alexandro on August 04, 2017, 11:54:02 PM
I don't see what's not to like.
It took me a while to start watching because I read a few comments on how slow and cryptic the show is, but to be honest I've found it endlessly entertaining. I love the fact I can't possibly predict where it's going, which is a welcome change from the usual tv series approach where you can spend days picturing scenarios in your head. Straight narrative can be great but this is liberating.

Now I regret that I even doubted Lynch. When such weirdness is executed with this level of conviction it just puts me in a complete state of alert. There's nothing more gripping as a viewer.
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Post by: Drenk on August 07, 2017, 07:06:10 AM
Yeah, I think it succeeds more than it fails, I was just frustrated by last week because it felt like a real filler.


Now. I loved this week episode. What the hell is happening with the Twin Peaks timeline?
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Post by: Sleepless on August 07, 2017, 11:56:05 AM
Now. I loved this week episode. What the hell is happening with the Twin Peaks timeline?

I noticed that too - especially the scene with Bobby at the Double R, since we had that gunshot scene with him since the Briggs stuff happened. Weird. There was another bit later on too (with Nadine and Jacoby?)

Unrelated, this was probably the most laugh-out-loud episode yet.

It's quite interesting how lots of the couple we rooted for in the original series are no longer together (Shelly and Bobby, Norma and Ed). Time has passed, yes, but it also feels like there is a balance missing in the world. Everyone who is alone now seems to be suffering through some perpetual purgatory - think Sarah Palmer and her TV, Ed eating soup in the gas station - and it's those who are part of a pairing, who have that balance, who seem to be the ones who are most awake to the world - think Margaret and her log, James and his enduring love for Laura/Donna/Maddy, arguably even Nadine and her obsession with "Dr. Amp". That's probably not the best way of explaining it, but there's a clear pattern that among the older characters especially, those who are nearest to death without some sense of balance in their lives are the ones who seem least alive. That's true of life, of course, but whether the intention is simply to reflect that here or else to mean something by it, it's strikingly, hauntingly, beautiful just the same.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on August 07, 2017, 01:49:01 PM
Also: Jerry took, like, five episodes to get out of the woods. But the strangest thing is what happens with Bobby/Shelly/Becky. What happened in today's episode is before the incident with the bullet. When Becky called, I thought that she didn't know yet that her husband is cheating her. Then Bobby re-placed the timeline, so...

And what about Sarah Palmer watching the same seconds of boxing match in a loop?

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Post by: Sleepless on August 07, 2017, 01:54:09 PM
Good point. Gotta be connected, right? That Bobby line pointing out "today" did seemed somewhat unnatural, like it was needlessly drawing attention to itself. The scene with Audrey fits with this too - she doesn't want to go to the roadhouse now, whereas last time we saw her she did, then she says she both does and doesn't want to. Plus James' song is a clear conversion/confusion of the past and present.
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Post by: Sleepless on August 07, 2017, 08:35:31 PM
Also relevant, from LAST week's episode write up on Mubi Notebook (https://mubi.com/notebook/posts/twin-peaks-episode-12-recap-next-stop-wendy-s):

"And so Doctor Jacoby (Russ Tamblyn) repeats himself. Nadine Hurley (Wendy Robie), too. The good, gold-shovel selling doc (nicknamed "Dr. Amp") goes through the same script (and the same take?—meta!), albeit abbreviated, of his incendiary online show from Part 5. Nadine's reactions are eerily similar to that episode as well. But…some variations: "It's working for me, Dr. Amp," she says in-between her familiarly smitten exhales. And Jacoby closes with a fresh rant about politicians betraying their constituents. "The ninth level of hell will welcome you!" he shouts."
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Post by: Sleepless on August 09, 2017, 08:08:09 AM
Is it future or is it past?
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Post by: Drenk on August 13, 2017, 09:35:03 PM
Okaaaaaaaaaaay.

Yep. I don't have much words for Part 14. That was intense.
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Post by: Sleepless on August 14, 2017, 11:05:05 AM
A lot of stuff and maybe I was right (http://www.davidtharwood.com/blog/the-road-to-twin-peaks-thoughts-on-the-return-so-far/). Narrative things are happening, and stories and worlds are converging. When they went into the woods, I really thought they were going to run into Jerry, still lost. Naido in the real world will be interesting, and the sense of empowerment Andy's experience has given him will be interesting too. Though no-one seemed to notice he was momentarily missing? I guess because they were all hypnotized by the vortex?

The big question: So, like, Diane has never seen so much as a picture of Dougie?

Incidentally, I'm currently in Vegas for work and yesterday saw Lady Slot-Addict's doppelganger. Sad.
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Post by: Drenk on August 14, 2017, 11:48:34 AM
Diane is with Mr C., the plan is to take them to Vegas. She made up the story about her half-sister.
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Post by: Sleepless on August 14, 2017, 11:55:42 AM
Ooooh.
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Post by: Drenk on August 15, 2017, 04:38:04 PM
So this is how you find Lynch's interest.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riwKuKSbFDs

Of course, he's the one who plays Jame's friend. The one with the green glove. The glove the Fireman told him to get. Because his destiny is at Twin Peaks. So he went to Twin Peaks. With the green glove.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 16, 2017, 06:10:37 PM
I loved this episode. The Sarah Palmer scene was a highlight, obviously, but I might have liked Freddie's story even more. "I fear I’ve snapped his Gregory." He clearly broke the guy's neck with his super-powered glove. What I love about Season 3 is you could not have predicted any of this stuff.

Freddie's story also has this fun bit (from EW):

Quote
“So I woke up, got out of bed, dragged a comb across my head, ran downstairs and had a cup…” Freddie says. He and James laugh – it’s the beginning of the middle section of “A Day in the Life” by the Beatles. I believe it’s the section most often attributed to Paul McCartney — a peppy description of a regular person’s day in the life, coming out of the mist of lysergic Lennon singing “I’d love to turn you on.”

The end of this section of the song, of course, is: “Somebody spoke, and I went into a dream.”

Sarah Palmer "biting back" distinctly reminded me of (Game of Thrones spoiler!) the dog lunging at Ramsay's face and chomping right into his jaw. Only difference is Sarah went a little lower. It was the same kind of sped-up lunge from a side view. Good stuff.

To Sleepless's question... Yes, I think people are a bit hypnotized and sedated by the vortex. And then there is some loss of memory. The same thing happened in South Dakota. In that episode, Gordon comments directly on the memory loss... although interestingly, you can will yourself to recover and hang onto the memory, as he did.

My favorite theory coming out of this episode is that the season will end with an epic fistfight between Dark Cooper and Freddie Sykes.
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Post by: Drenk on August 16, 2017, 06:16:49 PM
Oh, I didn't notice the Beatles quote and I love this song, I was too concentrated on not trying to miss words since I am not used to that accent. I loved that scene. I was surprised to see that Lynch found him on YouTube. He nailed that scene. And I really like James this season. Remember that Shelly says that he is silent since the "accident"...

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Post by: WorldForgot on August 19, 2017, 01:38:09 PM
My favorite theory coming out of this episode is that the season will end with an epic fistfight between Dark Cooper and Freddie Sykes.

I just caught up. This is such a funny image.
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Post by: Drenk on August 19, 2017, 04:18:51 PM
There's that note that David Foster Wallace took for The Pale King, his unfinished novel, that made me think of this season of Twin Peaks.

"Plot a series of set-ups for stuff happening, but nothing actually happens."
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 19, 2017, 04:51:45 PM
I wouldn't say that until it's over. And I actually don't that's been true so far.

I was recently catching up with a podcast, and it was funny to hear them say "I doubt we'll ever see this character again"... then 4 episodes later, that character suddenly shows up in a pivotal scene. That has been happening constantly. It's actually becoming an intricate web of callbacks and the smallest things being continued.

Speaking of which. Entertainment Weekly's A Twin Peaks Podcast (http://ew.com/twin-peaks/) is nothing short of amazing. Two very well-informed Lynch theorists take Twin Peaks very seriously but are also delighted by everything. This is one of the best TV podcasts I've heard.
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Post by: Drenk on August 19, 2017, 04:58:02 PM
Yes, I think it will have an ending or some kind of convergence. But I think the show takes pleasure in creating little pieces of scenes that seem to build to something before adding something unrelated. The scene at the RR with the woman/zombie in the car happened four episodes ago. Then some kind of time loop took place. And we're not even really thinking or expecting the show to follow up something that crazy. This is a very special construction. In a way, the show seems unconcerned by the build up.
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Post by: Drenk on August 20, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
OH MY GOD IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST EPISODES I HAVE EVER SEEN OH AND THAT ENDING I AM CRYING ON MY BED.
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Post by: Drenk on August 22, 2017, 02:42:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmyFzEeXhL4

I love that scene so much.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 22, 2017, 02:54:09 PM
Agreed, this was a remarkable episode, one that demands a rewatch.

Beyond the things you mentioned, Audrey's purgatory (maybe?) and the suicide in the woods (maybe?) are the kinds of Lynch scenes I really love.

The volume is being turned up...
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Post by: Drenk on August 22, 2017, 03:47:07 PM
I have no idea of what's going on with Audrey because the people she talks about to Charlie were mentioned in some of the Roadhouse scenes. And what happens in the Roadhouse seems to be in the real Twin Peaks. So...
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 22, 2017, 04:23:52 PM
It's a psychological purgatory if nothing else. Her dialogue with Charlie has been one of the most captivating and mind-bending things this season, done just through dialogue.

Richard Horne seems to speak of Audrey in the present tense, so I do think she's alive, not in an actual purgatory.
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Post by: Drenk on August 22, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
I mean, the whole situation with Charlie—even if we're in Twin Peaks—can't be happening in "reality". She also doesn't remember where the Roadhouse is. She's either lost in her mind or suffered brain damage.
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Post by: The Ultimate Badass on August 25, 2017, 08:54:04 PM
The Audrey scenes strike me as very meta. I get the impression that these scenes are a cinematic stream-of-consciousness of the writers' (I don't know know if it's Frost or Lynch, so I'll assume it's an amalgam of both) creative process. It's like these are the actual mental vignettes conjured inside their minds while struggling to write Audrey's character into the show. Initially it's a formless dialogue about nothing -- a bunch of irrelevant references to unknown people and curious reactions. Incrementally we're seeing these scenes flesh out and, at least hint to, become something integral.

I think Charlie is initially there simply to give Audrey someone to interact with, bounce off of. He's the writers' proxy. He may be evolving into something more, but maybe not. Maybe he will remain as the proxy for the writers and maybe that role will grow as we head into the end of this series. The push and shove between him and Audrey are uncannily like the internal push and shove between a writer and a character he is trying to write. Any writers here agree?

Episode 8 was a tour-de-force devoted to the origins of the show's mythos. I'm thinking in these Audrey scenes we're seeing the origins of the show itself.
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Post by: Drenk on August 25, 2017, 09:32:27 PM
To me, it is about the impossibility to act. You know they are not leaving the house and you are about to hear them talking their way around action. And it goes to what I meant with that Wallace quote. A part of the season is about building up to something that is not happening, in a way. Why would they spend so much time giving what seems to be an epiphany to Dougie without bringing Cooper back? Even if, as JB said, it is leading somewhere. And stuff is happening. But it is happening as if nothing was happening too.
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Post by: Drenk on August 27, 2017, 10:18:34 PM
What a show. What a show. Wow.
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Post by: Sleepless on August 28, 2017, 08:37:00 AM
Another amazing episode. I'm so in love with everything, I practically sit on the edge of my sit with a gigantic grin across my face from start to finish. We're in Happy Land now. From the Rancho Rosa logo in Twin Peaks blue and green, to the extended theme music over the sequence of Cooper's awakening and everything that followed, it was just wonderful. I was curious how they were going to handle Cooper's return with reconciling everything in the Dougie storyline, and although it remains to be seen how things will ultimately conclude, so far I'm very happy with everything that's happened with Janey-E, Sonny Jim, and Bushnell - and the scene with the Mitchum brothers in the limo, "hearts of gold" was itself gold. Finally Candy got her redemption. Beautiful stuff. I want a framed print of Diane in the Red Room. The stakeout turned shootout was a glorious extended aside - bloody, unexpected, and batshit bonkers - it was such a joy. And of course, Audrey. People have debated her part in proceedings, but she finally made it to the roadhouse. Lynch playing with our expectations again. But our attention is split with the lyrics of the song "and I am who I am, who I was I will never be again" we assume a reference to Dougie-cum-Cooper. But maybe not after all. When the announcer introduced Audrey's Dance, we were elevated to another place entirely. Super meta, but also sent a tingle down everyone's spine, I'm sure. And then that brief final shot - instantly made me think of Josie Packard. I'm really bummed that this is all wrapping up next week, but they have so much to pack into two hours, it's going to be a blast from start to finish. Right now, the thing I'm most looking forward to is a Cooper-Cole reunion. I really don't want this to end.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 29, 2017, 05:38:27 PM
Yeah. What an exhilarating episode. This was definitely happening to me:

In some moments I couldn’t believe what I was seeing because my dreams were being so thoroughly fulfilled.

I imagine next week will be a similar experience.

This episode continued the motif of bad guys being dispatched in completely unceremonious and sudden ways. That's turning out to be a theme of the season, actually — these people don't deserve glory.

I really have a feeling we'll be more patient with this season on rewatch. In the Dougie scenes, I won't be wondering when or if Cooper will wake up. Instead, I'll be thinking about what he said when he left Janey-E and Sonny Jim: "You’ve made my heart so full."
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Post by: jenkins on August 29, 2017, 05:58:47 PM
I really have a feeling we'll be more patient with this season on rewatch.

never before in my adult life have i wanted to rewatch a tv series. no one in my adult life has ever heard me say that. i barely watch a tv series the first time (not counting cartoons or Tales from the Crypt) and i barely rewatch movies (except after the 7 year cellular reset). but i totally want to go back and rewatch this series of Twin Peaks. h'angry for the blu-ray.

honestly i haven't been following most story threads on my first watch, and i would follow them better the second time. but like everything there are pros/cons here. because during the rewatch the show's subtleties will sink in for me, but what will be replaced? the holes my imagination have filled. do i want Lynch's imagination to replace my own? only Lynch would me think such a thing (maybe kinda).
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Post by: tpfkabi on August 29, 2017, 10:01:15 PM
I guess Lynch has never heard of Beach House or Blonde Redhead. Both have a bit of shoegaze and seem  like they would fit well.

Someone earlier in the thread said they were interested in all Lynch except The Elephant Man. See it. It's great.

I'm looking forward to the 2 hour finale. Can they really make sense of all of the seemingly random scenes throughout this season? Not sure.

I wonder how many people have seen a movie called The Hidden (1987) starring Kyle MacLachlan as an FBI agent. I had never heard of it until recently. It just happened to be on TV and the synopsis sounded cool enough to DVR. I'm glad I did. I didn't really know anything about it and it was a pleasant surprise.
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Post by: Fernando on September 03, 2017, 05:29:38 PM
If I had to summarize these 16 episodes I would just say that Lynch with total freedom is a beautiful thing. 

It's already bittersweet that this remarkable weird journey ends today.


I want a framed print of Diane in the Red Room.

Yes, when Diane opened her mouth I thought the bug from episode 8 would get out.

Cooper finally waking made me so happy, I can't wait to see him reunited with Gordon.
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Post by: Drenk on September 03, 2017, 11:09:17 PM
Twin Peaks Empire.
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Post by: The Ultimate Badass on September 04, 2017, 12:04:25 AM
Holy shit!

That was the most stupendously unresolved dick-tease in the history of television as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by: Sleepless on September 04, 2017, 06:04:41 AM
Thoughts still churning, and looking forward to reading other reactions, but it'd but dishonest to say I feel like this means something, anything, at this point. I'm disappointed. And so much driving. Silver lining: the show made it easy to say goodbye to it.

But I'm not going to let my immediately negative reactions destroy what was, up until that point, a thing of beauty. Imma give it a couple more days. But yeah...
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: WorldForgot on September 04, 2017, 06:20:16 AM
So glad for all the lives Lynch has shared with us, the ugliest symmetry and precious imperfections. Part 18 as 'Outcome' of the drama was exactly what I wanted/needed. I wouldn't have been able to stomach another ending as spiraling as Szn 2's. Some people are commenting that The Return ended with a cliffhanger (and possibly open for Season 4), but I don't feel that way. Who was going to be saved, anyway? Where does Cooper's mind go when he knows all there is about Blue Rose? Who were the "Who" in question and would those Who have agreed that that was who was 'saved'? 

I guess, in a sense, this ending spiraled, too. But it was reaching for associations in my mind, that I cannot deny have become bound to Lynch's work at this point, but are also the sort of associations we conjure up into thoughts when we're not thinking of movies at all. Thoughts that are feelings that might actually be moods on a dark drive toward a town you can't remember not knowing.

LCD Soundsystem's song 'other voices' gets at a lot of these themes in its lyrics. And of course, for their Farewell that wasn't a Farewell, they ended the show with Twin Peaks' theme song.
Some stories just cannot end while there is electricity.
Quote
I've heard it, heard it
And it sounds like the nineties
Who can you trust
And who are your friends
Who is impossible
And who is the enemy
These are the halls that we're presently haunting
And these are the people that we currently haunt
Push back the walls
Push back the calendar
We've got, we've got friends who are calling us home
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on September 04, 2017, 08:25:53 AM
'twas about a lost man. A lost young girl. And trauma. And how the past is this unescapable affair. Then, I am just writing words: Lynch has always been about the gut reaction, and I got plenty of that with the last episodes.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on September 04, 2017, 05:47:44 PM
Some people are commenting that The Return ended with a cliffhanger (and possibly open for Season 4), but I don't feel that way.

No, this was the end. And it should be.

I've been thinking about this all day. I'm not going to claim that such and such means something and it's all so clever, because that's not what I typically get from Lynch's work at all. His cinema moreso that others I enjoy must be connected with on an emotional and spiritual level. There is meaning there, but a lot of it is what it means personally to you. I don't hate the ending, but I'd be lying if I said I enjoyed that final episode. I'm still percolating, but there's a lot of meaning one could take from it, and I'm still picking apart what resonates most for me.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on September 05, 2017, 08:38:19 AM
SPOILERS BREAKING BAD

For the finale of Breaking Bad I had imagined something similar in mood of what Twin Peaks did. I imagined Walter driving back to his hometown. Stuff would happen, but it would be very quiet. We wouldn't see what happens he gets home since the show had already shown flash forward of him in his house, etc. What more did we need? We had seen the fall.  I didn't think the show would give him some kind of redemption.

Anyway, all that to say that I loved the mood of the finale, how it showed night and how alien yet familiar the world seemed...And the tension was sickening.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on September 05, 2017, 08:52:34 AM
how it showed night and how alien yet familiar the world seemed...And the tension was sickening.

That I did love. The anticlimactic aspect is of course intentional and it's for both us and Cooper.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on September 05, 2017, 09:19:03 AM
The more I think about the Audrey scenes/the ending/everything around Cooper/Dougie/Mr C., a big part of this season was about being trapped. It's a weird feeling to see Cooper traveling dimensions upon dimensions and still being trapped. Also: you can't save Laura. What makes her scream won't disappear. I love when she says in the car that she thought she could change her life. Of course, it isn't Laura talking in the sense that we are in some dream logic where people change...But I get it.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on September 05, 2017, 11:03:29 AM
Yes. Coop saved her (from being murdered) but he didn't really save her. As much as you can try to "make things right" you can't. You've just gotta fight the good fight, do the right thing, and make the best of the situation. A delicious cherry pie is just as important as anything else when it comes to contributing happiness in this world. The little things matter.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on September 05, 2017, 11:21:56 AM
"What really unnerves about the fallout is the degree to which it resembles Christ's last temptation, though absent a divine father to whom one can repent. Cooper has more or less banished the gods and made himself the deity of this realm, as evidenced after he returns to the Red Room and finds he can control the curtains with a simple wavering hand gesture."

"The paralyzing nullity of their journey (almost entirely at nighttime) is nauseating. [...] Much of the car ride is filmed poor-man's process, so that there's an overarching sense of non-movement. Cooper and Carrie are going nowhere fast, and everything that appears to be a threat (the headlights hovering ominously in the rearview, for example) proves to be nothing of the sort. All there is is desensitizing gloom and dread."

"Twin Peaks," Episodes 17 & 18 Recap: See You At The Curtain Call (https://mubi.com/notebook/posts/twin-peaks-episodes-17-18-recap-see-you-at-the-curtain-call)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on September 05, 2017, 07:43:30 PM
For such an horny old man, sex is always a negative force with Lynch, no? The bug in Episode 8 felt like a punition. The girl had her first sexual "feelings" with the boy before she ate the bug. And the same song she's listening to plays when Diane and Coop have sex in Episode 18.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 06, 2017, 09:06:46 AM
I was out of town, just got to see this last night. I'll have more thoughts later, but for now...

As with all later Lynch, there really is a coherent big picture — it just takes some time to put together. Worry not, Sleepless! I promise there is a lot of meaning here.

First, on a practical level. We learned that the overarching "blue sky" mission of the Blue Rose Taskforce was to find and potentially defeat Judy (Jow-day, Mother, Experiment, horned entity that vomits evil onto the world, "a force of extreme negativity"). Since Cooper was on board with that, it's probably the main reason he went into the Black Lodge.

People are hypothesizing, roughly, that it went like this. The White Lodge sent Laura in the golden orb to confront or possibly defeat Bob and/or Judy. We were confused by that at the time (how is Laura a powerful force for good?), but now it makes total sense. You can argue whether this was successful. Bob appeared to be aware of this threat, because he attacked and corrupted and weakened Laura as quickly as possible, via her father, through sexual trauma. (Sexual assault and men abusing women then becomes a theme of Twin Peaks.) As a result of that, Bob is successful — Laura is barely in a position to live a functional life, let alone confront evil entities.

There's a silver lining. Laura's trauma and resulting death set off a chain of events that would eventually lead to Bob's defeat. Judy survives, though — which feels right, narratively.

The Search for the Zone (http://thesearchforthezone.com/) includes this little tidbit: "Why Frequencies are the Key to Understanding Parallel Universes and Time Travel." Indeed, in this finale we saw BOTH. We saw Cooper go back in time to save Laura and prevent her death. But in doing that, he created a fork — a parallel universe. Which renders this effort basically futile. Remember what Twin Peaks is all about: garmonbozia, pain and sorrow. Good people will try to prevent it, fix it, but they will often fail. Just as Cooper did here in spectacular fashion.

I think the scene at the restaurant, where Cooper goes white knight, is an important clue. Look how proud and noble Cooper is there. He is completely in that mode. And it seems kind of ridiculous, because it is.

It's also a potent meta commentary on Twin Peaks itself, Twin Peaks nostalgia, and nostalgia in general. Cooper imagines a lovely, emotional reunion between Laura and her mother at that house. Watch that sinking feeling as he realizes it's not going to happen. He seems so pathetic there. He wants to fix Laura and prevent her pain and sorrow — instead, he takes alternate-Laura to the only place in the world where her pain and sorrow can be fully activated, ending in that epic scream.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on September 07, 2017, 07:47:40 AM
I like this article: it's mostly about how The Return was in relationship with the original Twin Peaks as a TV Show: https://ozba.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/twin-peaks-audrey-billy-and-living-inside-a-dream/
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 08, 2017, 04:55:05 PM
https://youtu.be/nQSzajmDhKw
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on September 08, 2017, 06:57:20 PM
I already miss the show...

It's almost been a week and I've thought of the last episodes every day since it aired, and I want to read about it, even if I don't know what exactly I want to read. It's an intoxicating buzz.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 08, 2017, 08:50:57 PM
I would definitely check out that podcast I recommended. Their coverage of the finale was great. A really deep dive.


Speaking of which. Entertainment Weekly's A Twin Peaks Podcast (http://ew.com/twin-peaks/) is nothing short of amazing. Two very well-informed Lynch theorists take Twin Peaks very seriously but are also delighted by everything. This is one of the best TV podcasts I've heard.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 09, 2017, 02:53:36 PM
N [08|Sep 03:31 AM]:   I've been finally getting around to watching TP
N [08|Sep 03:32 AM]:   I was expecting it to be more Lynchian, but it's strangely conventional and deeply weird at the same time somehow.
Jeremy Blackman [08|Sep 08:07 AM]:   What episode are you on?
N [08|Sep 08:20 AM]:   the major and coop went into the forest on the last ep I watched
N [08|Sep 08:21 AM]:   dont wanna spoil things accidentally, forgot the episode number
N [08|Sep 08:21 AM]:   coop took a piss and then things happened
Drenk [08|Sep 08:22 AM]:   Season 2 episode something toward the end.
N [08|Sep 08:34 AM]:   yeah
N [08|Sep 08:34 AM]:   maybe more like halfway
N [08|Sep 08:34 AM]:   hoping that it'll start being a mystery again
N [08|Sep 08:35 AM]:   interesting show anyway, sometimes corny, sometimes amazing
Drenk [08|Sep 09:07 AM]:   Lynch and Frost don't come back until the very last episodes
Drenk [08|Sep 09:07 AM]:   They didn't want to resolve the mystery about Laura
Reelist [08|Sep 09:13 AM]:   I don't know if I'll ever be able to get through that second season
Reelist [08|Sep 09:17 AM]:   I started watching Twin peaks as comfort food, just because it was the best thing I could find on cable at the time and I loved the atmosphere. I never paid much attention to the plot
Drenk [08|Sep 09:22 AM]:   Well, there is not much real plot.
Reelist [08|Sep 09:23 AM]:   I think all of the crucial details you need to know are in the movie, no?

N [08|Sep 05:32 PM]:   Yeah like after first few eps of S2 the show really kinda changed its tone
N [08|Sep 05:35 PM]:   nadine sub plot seems truly pointless  :?
Jeremy Blackman [08|Sep 06:14 PM]:   S2 has some serious rough patches. Many fans recommending skipping a whole section of it.
N [08|Sep 06:17 PM]:   Season 1 started very strong
N [08|Sep 06:17 PM]:   whole season was pretty decent
Jeremy Blackman [08|Sep 06:26 PM]:   S2 ends very strong.
Jeremy Blackman [08|Sep 06:50 PM]:   And then S3 is the best season.
Jeremy Blackman [08|Sep 06:50 PM]:   It's staying in my head unlike anything in a long time.
Drenk [08|Sep 06:54 PM]:   yes, S3 is the best.
Drenk [08|Sep 06:54 PM]:   I do have a friend who loves the original and hates S3.
Jeremy Blackman [08|Sep 06:56 PM]:   I can understand that. It depends which part of the original you loved.
Drenk [08|Sep 06:58 PM]:   I really dislike the James/Donna thing from the original.
Drenk [08|Sep 06:59 PM]:   Then: I liked the movie better than the show, already.
Reelist [08|Sep 07:15 PM]:   so, if I want to start S3 could you give me a rundown of essential S2 eps to watch first?
Drenk [08|Sep 07:18 PM]:   The last one, I'd say.
Reelist [08|Sep 07:19 PM]:   I'll go with the last 3 or so and if they get really bad just skip em
Drenk [08|Sep 07:19 PM]:   The last one is essential and very good. You've seen the first part of season 2?
Reelist [08|Sep 07:20 PM]:   yeah and I've tried and failed to get through it many times
Drenk [08|Sep 07:20 PM]:   The first seven or eight episodes, I don't remember, are essential too, they resolve the murder.
Reelist [08|Sep 07:20 PM]:   goddamnit
Drenk [08|Sep 07:20 PM]:   + they are good.
Reelist [08|Sep 07:20 PM]:   oh yeah, that's right season 2 is good up until a point
Reelist [08|Sep 07:22 PM]:   I remember there's like a Ho down or something? that's when I said 'Fuck this'

wilder [08|Sep 07:39 PM]:   I'm in the same boat as you, Reelist. Had seen season 1 and the first few eps of 2. Went ahead and watched S03 without the rest. Life intervened, so currently on Ep 12 of S03, completely confused but enjoying it. Not sure if I'd be confused, anyway.
jenkins [08|Sep 07:50 PM]:   S03 made the cultural bucket list and i don't anyone who could do it but Lynch
Reelist [08|Sep 07:54 PM]:   Yeah I guess I'll just kind of cherry pick S2 and skip the ones that bore me. Even when all the story elements aren't together I still dig the 90's feel
Reelist [08|Sep 07:56 PM]:   I'm watching the Tupac movie and it's so much worse than I could've imagined, there's no drive behind it. It just goes through the motions
Reelist [08|Sep 08:00 PM]:   If I can make it through this I should have no problem with Twin Peaks season 2
Drenk [08|Sep 08:02 PM]:   wilder: like I said, you should at least watch the last episode of s2, maybe you'll be a little bit less confused about what was happening in the beginning of s3.
Drenk [08|Sep 08:03 PM]:   But then: I was confused watching the premiere of s3. Soooo.
wilder [08|Sep 08:04 PM]:   Thanks, will do
jenkins [08|Sep 08:11 PM]:   i'm just going to end up rewatching season 3 and buying the fire walk with me blu-ray
jenkins [08|Sep 08:11 PM]:   i will never know the full story of twin peaks. but that means i get to listen
jenkins [08|Sep 08:12 PM]:   there's just not a more radical storyteller i know of, who can pull it off like he does, so really from the spirit i'm hooked

jenkins [08|Sep 08:12 PM]:   we all know that seeing someone imitate Lynch is one of life's saddest feelings (black humor)
Reelist [08|Sep 08:15 PM]:   Can we think of any examples of a director trying that and failing?
jenkins [08|Sep 08:29 PM]:   i might've made something up to make a point
Jeremy Blackman [08|Sep 08:43 PM]:   Reelist, if you weren't planning on this already, definitely watch FWWM before Season 3.
Jeremy Blackman [08|Sep 08:45 PM]:   And to answer your question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB6YtM1tH4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB6YtM1tH4k)
Jeremy Blackman [08|Sep 08:48 PM]:   There are great counterexamples, too — artists who take a lot from Lynch but do their own thing. Tarantino and Lindelof.
Jeremy Blackman [08|Sep 08:48 PM]:   S3 has what seem to be explicit references to Tarantino being influenced by Lynch.
N [08|Sep 08:51 PM]:   lol that trailer
N [08|Sep 08:53 PM]:   music sounds like John Murphy
N [08|Sep 08:54 PM]:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST2H8FWDvEA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST2H8FWDvEA)
jenkins [08|Sep 08:55 PM]:   the episode when Dougie wins slots is pure Lynchian mayhem. the whole Dougie thing was truly an otherworldly narrative experience
jenkins [08|Sep 08:58 PM]:   that's crazy this 28 Weeks Later song has 15,439,544 views
jenkins [08|Sep 08:59 PM]:   i've never seen that movie but i like this song
Reelist [08|Sep 09:30 PM]:   Yeah, Fire walk with me is one of my favorite lynch films. I wish I could find a good region 1 blu ray collection
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on September 10, 2017, 06:10:11 PM
How crazy was it to have new footage from Fire Walk With Me in Part 17? I didn't know if I was going crazy, but a producer confirmed it on Reddit: "We did use some old footage from FWWM and some new footage. I'd like to leave a little mystery, though, about what is what. I feel it takes away too much for the film when you know too many of the magician's secrets."

https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6zb65w/im_sabrina_sutherland_executive_producer_of_twin/?sort=top
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: KJ on September 10, 2017, 11:10:17 PM
so i stopped watching after 7 or so episodes and gonna watch it all in the coming weeks. i'm psyched!
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: BB on September 11, 2017, 07:00:54 PM
so i stopped watching after 7 or so

 :shock: :shock: :shock:
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on September 13, 2017, 03:44:48 PM
Worth a read: 2 Peaks 2 + 1: "Twin Peaks: The Return" (https://mubi.com/notebook/posts/2-peaks-2-1-twin-peaks-the-return)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on September 14, 2017, 04:48:18 PM
December 5:

(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21728245_1648338075197164_4725056982817610165_n.jpg?oh=94c5d560b327c7577eb53f6852fced6b&oe=5A5813FC)

Does it bother everyone else that it says "The Third Season" and not "The Return"?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 14, 2017, 05:15:05 PM
Does it bother everyone else that it says "The Third Season" and not "The Return"?

I actually like that. "The Return," while it's a thematically essential title, leaves too much room to see this as separate from the original show.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on September 14, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
I kind of see it as separate from the original show, so I liked The Return and how ironic, to me, it sounded.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 15, 2017, 02:30:13 PM
Here's a very good interview with Lynch in EW. Answers some key questions about his creative process.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/09/15/david-lynch-twin-peaks-finale/


Sample:


JENSEN: Here at the end, there are so many story lines where I think I have to go back and wonder about threads that are connecting all of them, whether it’s Billy, whether it’s Audrey. Would you encourage that kind of review?

LYNCH: You know, it’s not a science lab. If it’s fun to think about them, then I would encourage it. Wasn’t Sherilynn Fenn great?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Fernando on September 19, 2017, 11:16:49 AM
Here's Damon Lindelof talking about Twin Peaks with a guy that loved the original but doesn't like this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmDOf4BflpE


I like what Lindelof says about episode 8.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on September 19, 2017, 11:30:51 AM
Yeah, I don't know if it's just because it is more "artful". It is a different formula from the original show. + the characters in Twin Peaks are isolated and the new characters aren't warm and from the realm of soap opera. So a big part of what made the charm of the original isn't there anymore, and if that's what you enjoyed the more...of course you'd be frustrated and disappointed.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 19, 2017, 04:45:26 PM
Lindelof was on several episodes of the EW podcast I keep pimping (by the same guys who interviewed Lynch above), and he had fantastic insights.

Entertainment Weekly's A Twin Peaks Podcast (http://ew.com/twin-peaks/) is nothing short of amazing. Two very well-informed Lynch theorists take Twin Peaks very seriously but are also delighted by everything. This is one of the best TV podcasts I've heard.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on September 19, 2017, 05:00:36 PM
Yes, I didn't say but I listened to some of them! Especially the ones with Lindelof.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 19, 2017, 06:16:00 PM
Nice!

LOL, that guy's reaction to Episode 8: "This is becoming work for me now." I'm not sure Twin Peaks is for him. David Lynch in general is definitely not for him. I like Lindelof's compassionate reaction, though.

I guess the original Twin Peaks fan divide is being laid bare now. For example, the parts this guy loved from the original Twin Peaks I would probably consider less pure, even filler in many cases.

The beautiful and understandably frustrating thing about The Return is that it seems to be doing exactly what it wants to do, so you can't really quibble about the execution — it's very much take it or leave it. New TP is not for everyone, and that's fine.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on September 20, 2017, 09:03:44 PM
Okay, I wrote some of my feelings about this all down: http://www.davidtharwood.com/blog/theres-no-place-like-home-twin-peaks-the-return-in-summation/ (http://www.davidtharwood.com/blog/theres-no-place-like-home-twin-peaks-the-return-in-summation/)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: wilder on October 26, 2017, 06:12:00 PM
The blu-ray (https://www.amazon.com/Twin-Peaks-A-Limited-Event-Series-Blu-ray/dp/B076M4XM6H?SubscriptionId=AKIAIY4YSQJMFDJATNBA&tag=bluray-011-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B076M4XM6H&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER) is up for pre-order, out December 5th

(https://i.imgur.com/sJ6uVaE.jpg) (https://www.amazon.com/Twin-Peaks-A-Limited-Event-Series-Blu-ray/dp/B076M4XM6H?SubscriptionId=AKIAIY4YSQJMFDJATNBA&tag=bluray-011-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B076M4XM6H&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on October 26, 2017, 06:30:20 PM
Can't wait for the Third Return of a Limited Event.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: WorldForgot on November 05, 2017, 02:56:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-BDU-TvlTg
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: The Ultimate Badass on November 18, 2017, 10:04:33 PM
Looking back on The Return, it really brings to mind a lightning bolt. The way it branches off in dozens of different paths seeking the most efficient route to the ground before a single one finally finds it and all the other paths simply disappear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dukkO7c2eUE


I'm really looking forward to re-watching this series when I get the time. Though I had seen a few of his movies, I hadn't had any real interest in Lynch before I decided to binge on his stuff before watching this series. I started with the original Twin Peaks series and quickly got hooked, then followed it Fire Walk With Me, then his other features. I got to say, it was one of the most pleasurable cinematic excursions I've ever been on. My dreams had never been so vivid.

I'm still trying to make sense of the The Return, but I'm tending to think that the whole thing is really taking place in Coop's subconsciousness. I think this has been the case right off the bat from the beginning of the original series to a certain degree. At the center of it all we have something truly horrific taking place: the continued rape and ultimate murder of a daughter at the hands of her father. This is something that actually happens in the world. It's something that Coop encounters on a regular basis as an FBI agent. At a point he can no longer simply be the indifferent investigator and tries to cope with how such horrifically inexplicable things can happen and what we watch in Twin Peaks is the attempt by his subconsciousness to rationalize the utterly irrational. It conjures up this elaborate fantasy of the Black Lodge etc., as well as all the rest. For the most part, what we're watching throughout this series is the hamster wheel in Coop's mind trying to explain what is really not explainable, and along the way we see many other aspects of his subconsciousness that reveal other things about Coop. But everything has meaning.


Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: axxonn on December 01, 2017, 06:07:46 PM
A few BTS clips of Lynch at work surfacing in prep for the full documentary on the season Blu Ray (released Monday).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGb0xXKNMc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-WW8V8nD5E
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on December 04, 2017, 11:42:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYaPmhQq_8
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Punch Drunk Hate on December 04, 2017, 08:22:16 PM
Number 2 on the Sight&Sound poll of the best films of 2017.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on December 05, 2017, 05:51:59 AM
Number 2 on the Sight&Sound poll of the best films of 2017.

But it's not a film.

It's not that big a deal if what they liked the best this year was a TV Show! But I'm okay with more TV shows like The Return being the best movie of the year. Call it whatever you want.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 05, 2017, 10:23:25 AM
I don’t like this, actually. If that was eligible, was the final season of The Leftovers eligible?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on December 06, 2017, 10:37:11 AM
It's #1 on Cahiers' list (https://thefilmstage.com/news/cahiers-du-cinemas-top-10-films-of-2017-includes-twin-peaks-the-return-split-and-good-time/).

I really like that it's getting this level of recognition. Forget the whole debate about film versus TV, there's no denying that TPTR was pure cinema. I think this is absolutely well deserved, and if it encourages Alamo to screen the whole 18 hours in one sitting so much the better.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 06, 2017, 11:20:31 AM
I still disagree. There were certainly several episodes unlike anything we've ever seen on TV, but this was definitely an 18+ hour season of serialized television. It represents an immaturity in the press that they feel more comfortable calling it a movie. "Oh, this wasn't really a TV show, it just happened to air on TV." This succeeded in elevating the medium — recategorizing it denies that accomplishment.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: axxonn on December 06, 2017, 01:58:43 PM
I still disagree. There were certainly several episodes unlike anything we've ever seen on TV, but this was definitely an 18+ hour season of serialized television. It represents an immaturity in the press that they feel more comfortable calling it a movie. "Oh, this wasn't really a TV show, it just happened to air on TV." This succeeded in elevating the medium — recategorizing it denies that accomplishment.

It doesn't really feel like serialised TV, though. It felt very obvious to me that it was an eighteen hour movie script that had been chopped up into episodic hours in the edit.

I wouldn't condone putting it as number 1 on a top films list though - it just leads to a slippery slope of classification, and ultimately it did air on TV.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on December 06, 2017, 02:03:40 PM
No. Most of it is cut as episodes. Even more so than some Netflix shows—which doesn't make them into movies either, by the way. (I'll have to watch it again to comment on it.)
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: samsong on December 07, 2017, 03:04:36 AM
berlin alexanderplatz and out 1 both aired on tv and are considered holy grails of cinema.  pretty sure anytime someone mentions fanny and alexander as a favorite film, they're talking about the full length cut that aired on tv.  oj: made in america made several best films lists last year, that aired on tv. 

at any rate, i don't see a point in feeling strongly about it one way or the other.  if you want to list a season or episode of tv on your favorite films of the year, go for it.  if you don't want, don't.  who gives a shit?  doesn't listing a season of tv as a film inherently acknowledge its accomplishment as a tv series?  television these days seems to be the medium held in higher esteem, anyway.  again, who cares?

twin peaks: the return will be at the top of my best films of 2017 list, as it was the best work of image and sound to be released this year, and by an insanely large margin.  it's the finnigans wake of cinema.  if you feel the same way but refuse to categorize it as a film, cool.  it literally doesn't matter.

also the final season of the leftovers wouldn't have been eligible because it was fucking garbage.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on December 07, 2017, 09:33:33 AM
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Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on December 07, 2017, 09:39:35 AM
Once again, I should watch it again in order to give examples, but this season didn't strike me as a movie hidden behind a label but as a work exploiting its medium—a TV show—in order to offer something new. The fact that 80% of TV shows are the same doesn't mean that a different kind of TV show isn't a TV show. To do that, you need to know where you stand. What your medium is. Whatever Lynch says.

berlin alexanderplatz is a TV miniseries. Out 1 is a collection of movies: weird thing indeed. The Return is not as weird as Out 1 to be lapeled as a movie, I think.

The fact that TV and cinema are both cinematic doesn't mean that one medium can be the "better" medium when it suits you. (Even if a Top is not that big a deal and, on itself, kind of silly.)

Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on December 07, 2017, 10:19:11 AM
Of course TPTR is a TV show. I don't think anyone is suggesting that it isn't. But it is undeniably cinematic. As samsong said, "it was the best work of image and sound to be released this year, and by an insanely large margin."
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 07, 2017, 10:45:59 AM
Cinematic in terms of quality and ambition? I honestly thought we were done being surprised that could be done on TV. Beyond just how good it is, TPTR is a season of television in every conceivable way. I genuinely don’t understand how it’s meaningful or useful at all to call this a film.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 07, 2017, 11:06:13 AM
To elaborate... I think there are better ways to sing its praises than calling it something it’s not, just to make a point about its quality and ambition.

Calling something a film is not an effective way to praise it, anyway. Justice League was a film. It was a cinematic film, too. And by that same standard, X Files: I Want To Believe was definitely not a film, for example.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: jenkins on December 07, 2017, 11:15:00 AM
no one is saying it's meaningful or useful to call it a film. i didn't hear anyone say that. i don't think they're calling it a film to praise it. i think they're praising it because it's awards season, and awards are how you praise. they're saying "great job." and, what, only tv people can say "great job"? well that's silly.

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Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on December 07, 2017, 11:26:18 AM
Cinematic in terms of quality and ambition? I honestly thought we were done being surprised that could be done on TV. Beyond just how good it is, TPTR is a season of television in every conceivable way. I genuinely don’t understand how it’s meaningful or useful at all to call this a film.

Cinematic as in pure cinema. That's a squishy definition, and completely subjective, I grant you. I liked what Rian Johnson said about PTA: "The truth is I don’t know how great music does what it does, and I don’t know how Paul’s movies do that voodoo that they do." Yes, there's plenty of other great stuff on TV (Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones) but I don't think of anything else that has transcended the medium quite like TPTR did. Regardless of whether you want to consider the medium TV or film. To clarify, again, I recognize that TPTR is TV and not a film. But I think what the S&S and Cahiers lists were trying to do was acknowledge it as one of the very best examples of cinematic art from over the past year. Regardless of what size screen it appeared on.

To elaborate... I think there are better ways to sing its praises than calling it something it’s not, just to make a point about its quality and ambition.

Calling something a film is not an effective way to praise it, anyway. Justice League was a film. It was a cinematic film, too. And by that same standard, X Files: I Want To Believe was definitely not a film, for example.

I agree that calling something a film is not a form of praise. That makes no sense to me. I think you just want things to stay in their box and to be neatly categorized. I get why you're uncomfortable with all this. I don't take this as an issue of film versus TV, simply acknowledgment of what TPTR achieved.

no one is saying it's meaningful or useful to call it a film. i didn't hear anyone say that. i don't think they're calling it a film to praise it. i think they're praising it because it's awards season, and awards are how you praise. they're saying "great job." and, what, only tv people can say "great job"? well that's silly.

Exactly.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 07, 2017, 11:48:03 AM
i don't think they're calling it a film to praise it.

That's kind of exactly what samsong said:

doesn't listing a season of tv as a film inherently acknowledge its accomplishment as a tv series? . . . twin peaks: the return will be at the top of my best films of 2017 list, as it was the best work of image and sound to be released this year

He also said that The Leftovers wouldn't be eligible because he didn't like it.

i think they're praising it because it's awards season, and awards are how you praise. they're saying "great job." and, what, only tv people can say "great job"?

Do people actually self-identify so strongly as “film people” that they can’t bring themselves to make a list of the best TV? Not even a top 3 or 5? Is it like, I haven’t seen enough television, so I’m going to put this on my movie list?

I guess that’s fine, but what frustrates me is that words have meaning. A 2-hour movie is a different thing than an 18-hour season of television, and I think it’s worth respecting the distinction.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: jenkins on December 07, 2017, 12:02:07 PM
yes, i believe that Sight & Sound and Cahiers du cinéma self-identify as film people, so much so that they don't make a tv list. yes that's accurate. but the Twin Peaks distinction won't be denigrated by these accolades. to reference Dekalog again, everyone knows it was tv. all these years later, everyone still knows Dekalog was tv.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 07, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
I bet even Sight & Sound could bring themselves to slum a little and make a short TV list, if they want to talk about a TV show.

I think the distinction protects film, if anything. The constraints of the medium help make it what it is — something you could reasonably watch in a theater in one sitting. The duration of the thing is actually important! You can simply do a lot more in a full season of television. It’s strange to put a movie up against TPTR, which contains the content and power of multiple movies.

Another central and defining characteristic of a film is that it should hopefully work as a self-contained thing. Twin Peaks: The Return is violently the opposite. It does not work without Season 1, Season 2, and Fire Walk With Me.

Basically, I just still believe in the distinction.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: jenkins on December 07, 2017, 12:30:35 PM
is each Star Wars movie a self-contained thing? is each Godfather movie a self-contained thing? what of the Lord of the Rings?

the distinction will prevail jb.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 07, 2017, 12:33:59 PM
is each Star Wars movie a self-contained thing? is each Godfather movie a self-contained thing? what of the Lord of the Rings?

Yes, all of these examples work much better as a self-contained thing than TPTR.

I chose my words carefully: "should hopefully work as a self-contained thing" rather than "IS a self-contained thing."
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: jenkins on December 07, 2017, 12:39:03 PM
is it just awkward when i tell you that Twin Peaks: The Return worked for me without me having ever watched Season 2? if that's awkward for you or awkward for me, it's still true.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 07, 2017, 12:49:38 PM
is it just awkward when i tell you that Twin Peaks: The Return worked for me without me having ever watched Season 2? if that's awkward for you or awkward for me, it's still true.

I can objectively say you missed a whole lot, yes. Arguably TPTR draws more on Fire Walk With Me, so if you saw and remember that, that might have helped. If you haven't seen Season 2 or FWWM, you're really robbing yourself of a much, much fuller experience.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on December 07, 2017, 01:49:26 PM
Also, if you haven't seen a good chunk of season 2, you're really gifting yourself a much, much fuller experience.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 07, 2017, 02:02:21 PM
Haha, yes. True. I think we've reached a compromise.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: samsong on December 07, 2017, 02:25:30 PM
can’t beleive i forgot dekalog...

we’re differentiating tv and miniseries now?!?!

doesn't listing a season of tv as a film inherently acknowledge its accomplishment as a tv series? . . . twin peaks: the return will be at the top of my best films of 2017 list, as it was the best work of image and sound to be released this year

the first bit was purely a counterpoint to your argument that putting it on a best films list “denies its accomplishments” as a tv show.  the bit about the leftovers was me being facetious.  i had hoped the shruggy guy implied that clearly enough. 

my only real dog in this fight is “who gives a shit?”  we’re all on the same page about the ways in which tv and film are different, its just a matter of being okay (or not, apparently) with other people putting a tv show on their year-end film list... i don’t really buy your “protect film” stance.  how offen does this happen that a line needs to be drawn? 



Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on December 07, 2017, 03:09:48 PM
Nobody gives a shit. But it is silly. It is as silly as putting a short story as the best novel of the year. "But it's really well written and special and that writer has written a lot of novels!". Well? It doesn't matter because as Jenkins said we all know it is a TV show and it won't change anything. There is some disdain in it, too. It shows how embarrassed some movie critics are at loving a TV Show. It can only be noble art if it is cinema. That will probably die away soon. I mean, Les Cahiers did three covers in a few months about The Return. They wrote about it. They can write about TV too even if it's rare. Great cinematic work is being done in different mediums. That kind of Top is not serious in itself, but it is a sign that there is a tendency to refuse that fact. Which I find weird.

Cinema in itself isn't better than a TV Show. The Return showed us that. And I don't think that you can define a TV Show only as able to do more like you said, JB. I find the argument: "But you can do more than a movie because you have more hours" is absurd. You can also say that a TV Show can do less than a movie because it's shorter. It's not that. It's entirely factual. The mediums are different. More. Less. Whatever. It doesn't matter. We stay in a conflict between movies and TV...


We fear that TV is taking the place of cinema. I worry about that, too. I don't think that a great director of movies can make a great TV Show. A great novelist might not be able to write a great short story. An art form often dominates another: look, nobody gives a shit about short stories, the novel is the respected art form these days in literature. I hope we could escape these symbolics forms of domination. In literature: more people read novels than short stories or poetry, right? Even I...But these days while cinema stays what's respected the most, TV Shows are massively watched. That's why some people are trying to say: "TV is what good now!" Which is also an idiotic way to think...

That's amazing that a new cinematic medium truly became cinematic. Watching The Return, I was amazed at what TV could do. And not in a "oh, TV can be cinematic" way! I knew that. It was more about the work can...work. You can often watch The Return as a meta commentary about TV series. Yeah, Lynch, don't bullshit me about making a 18 hours movie when you clearly know what you are doing...

That Top—silly in itself, not deserving shits to give—is nonetheless a sign of what's happening nowadays concerning the...what? cinematic world? camera world? le monde des Lumières?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: jenkins on December 07, 2017, 06:37:21 PM
i thought that was a really great post, Drenk. only to inflate the complications of this discussion, i will say that last year Bob Dylan won the Nobel and no one feared that music was replacing literature. and in 2013 Alice Munro the short story writer won the Nobel. but i don't think that takes the conversation in a new direction, i just mentioned it.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: BB on December 07, 2017, 09:40:46 PM
More than this particular instance, I'm curious to see how future generations will feel about it. In thirty years, will anybody see a significant difference between movies and TV? Or movies, TV, and web video? Are vlogs short films (I think yes?) or something else? I've seen plays where they film the shit and project it on a screen. Is that cinema, television, theatre? Saw one where it was a projection of webcam footage online from laptops onstage and off. What about Coppola's live TV thing? It's hard to say if these are new forms or not.

no one feared that music was replacing literature

No, but they've forever feared that TV was replacing literature. We should stop fearing these things.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: jenkins on December 07, 2017, 10:08:19 PM
things get harder and sadder as you age, if you let them. the transitory nature of cultural objects--which feel so important to us now--that's a rabbit hole that leads into existentialism and the root of the problem, you know. my god, this whole time the problem was inside us, every fucking time man.

tv and movies and vlogs are visual arts. and from what i hear, primates are visual creatures. so they have a real advantage and that's a separate category. textual art, writing, words, that's not for all primates. it's for humans. it's for our goddamn advanced consciousnesses, okay. like i said, separate category.

in our contemporary reality the fear of literature is computers, both in terms of its effect upon readerly desires, and all the smart people preferring to study computers now. but first of all the robots are going to take over and that'll be their bad. second of all oh art will never die let's be serious.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Sleepless on December 11, 2017, 10:29:36 AM
KM got a nod from Golden Globes and that's it.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Something Spanish on December 12, 2017, 06:02:08 AM
Question: does The Return work best if you've seen ALL of Season 2 or just until Ep. 14 when the killer is revealed?
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Drenk on December 12, 2017, 06:12:35 AM
Until Ep 14 + the finale is okay.
Title: Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 12, 2017, 11:06:21 AM
Wally, who appears for one scene, is a reference to James in late season 2, but otherwise you’re fine.

The finale is essential viewing though, along with FWWM.