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Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: filmcritic on July 07, 2003, 11:41:44 AM
As many of you know, Aimee Mann and Michael Penn are married and they both do a lot of music for PTA. But even their music that wasn't in his films are still great. They both do similar music, but they're also a little different. Penn is a little more upbeat than Mann. My favorite Mann album is "Lost in Space" and my favorite Penn album is "MP4". Anyways, begin discussion! :changes:
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: filmcritic on July 07, 2003, 12:31:14 PM
Well, that's more of a Til Tuesday thread more than anything. But this is the Aimee Mann and Michael Penn thread - OFFICIALY!
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: SoNowThen on July 07, 2003, 12:43:10 PM
I really wish there was a score of Michael Penn's work on Hard Eight. It's a great little soundtrack.


For the record, I think Aimee is brilliant. Favs are I'm With Stupid and Lost In Space. I've held off on Bachelor No. 2, because a lot is on the Magnolia soundtrack. Is it worth buying, even though I'm doubling songs?
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: filmcritic on July 07, 2003, 12:46:30 PM
Well, there's no official one. But you can make the soundtrack on an mp3 and then you have the music on CD and can listen to it anytime you want. So, you can make it official.
Title: Re: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: jokerspath on July 07, 2003, 12:54:46 PM
Quote from: filmcritic
my favorite Penn album is "MP4"


Really?  I was lucky enough to pick this up for free but it never sunk in.  I do like that whole subtitle thing though: Days Since A Lost Time Accident

What are the highlight songs?

aw
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: filmcritic on July 07, 2003, 01:01:01 PM
With Mann and Penn you sometimes have to let the music sink in by listening to it over and over. I really liked "Lucky One", "The Whole Truth", "Beautiful", "Bucket Bragade" and "Perfect Candidate".
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: filmcritic on July 07, 2003, 01:05:47 PM
I also really loved their duets together.

"Christmastime" was excellent!

I also burned many acoustic versions of their music off of Kazaa Lite. And I made a whole CD of them doing duets to a lot of their songs in concert. Like them both singing "Voices Carry", "Save Me", "Wasn't Made For These Times", "The Whole Truth" and "No Myth". 8)
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: aclockworkjj on July 07, 2003, 02:08:28 PM
Michael Penn's March is worth checking out if you can find it anywhere.....
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: filmcritic on July 07, 2003, 02:12:40 PM
Yeah, it's really good. I found mine at Borders.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: filmcritic on July 07, 2003, 03:16:13 PM
Maybe She's Just Looking For
Someone To Dance With
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: Myxo on July 07, 2003, 04:13:11 PM
I saw Aimee Mann in Portland shortly after she released "Bachleor No. 2" I believe it is called. Magnolia had JUST stopped playing at most theatres. Michael Penn was at the show as well. She is really great. Great vocals, great lyrics. Great all-around! After the show I had dinner at the local diner near the spot where they played. Michael Penn was eating dinner right behind us. I had no idea who he was. I do now.

;)
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: filmcritic on July 07, 2003, 04:15:12 PM
Nothing Worth Saving Our Day
There Was Nothing To Say
But You Said Something Anyway
Claiming I Stepped Out Of Line
Which Forced You To Leave Me
As If That Idea Was Mine
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: sexterossa on July 08, 2003, 01:28:54 AM
Quote from: SoNowThen
I really wish there was a score of Michael Penn's work on Hard Eight. It's a great little soundtrack.


For the record, I think Aimee is brilliant. Favs are I'm With Stupid and Lost In Space. I've held off on Bachelor No. 2, because a lot is on the Magnolia soundtrack. Is it worth buying, even though I'm doubling songs?


yes. you must buy it for RED VINES alone.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: modage on July 08, 2003, 02:22:56 PM
this thread seems unofficial!  *(blows whistle). :oops:
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: Sigur Rós on July 08, 2003, 04:09:00 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
this thread seems unofficial!  *(blows whistle). :oops:


hehe....official thread! Filmcritic you are such a dramaqueen!
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: filmcritic on July 08, 2003, 04:51:17 PM
Hey, hey, calm down. :yabbse-undecided:
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: phil marlowe on July 08, 2003, 04:53:20 PM
don't take it seriously, sigur ros doesn't even know what the fuck he's doing here.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on July 09, 2003, 06:24:23 PM
I think Aimee Mann is one of the greatest songwriters of our generation (along with Billy Corgan... which is also the most prolific songwriter of just about any generation)... If you've only heard the stuff from Magnolia, its only the begining... you can pick up her greatest hits to hear more, or pick up "I'm With Stupid" and "Lost In Space" for a real treat.


I first heard about her because she did a live cover of "Wasn't Made For These Times" by the Beach Boys (one of my favorite bands), so I downloaded songs of hers and they were awesome... I went out and bought all the albums... my PTA obsession began around the same time as my Aimee Mann obsession did.


If you have the Magnolia soundtrack, but not Bachelor #2, go out and get it! There are some awesome songs on there that aren't on the soundtrack.


Nick


EDIT: Did anyone else notice that both Aimee Mann and Michael Penn  both have last names that are misspellings of real words, and both misspellings are because of the double 'N's?!?! Eeeeenteresting
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: ono on July 09, 2003, 06:53:06 PM
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNick
EDIT: Did anyone else notice that both Aimee Mann and Michael Penn  both have last names that are misspellings of real words, and both misspellings are because of the double 'N's?!?! Eeeeenteresting

"But it did happen."
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: Pubrick on July 09, 2003, 09:55:25 PM
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNick
EDIT: Did anyone else notice that both Aimee Mann and Michael Penn  both have last names that are misspellings of real words, and both misspellings are because of the double 'N's?!?! Eeeeenteresting

i believe that was michael's pick-up line.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on July 10, 2003, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: P
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNick
EDIT: Did anyone else notice that both Aimee Mann and Michael Penn  both have last names that are misspellings of real words, and both misspellings are because of the double 'N's?!?! Eeeeenteresting

i believe that was michael's pick-up line.


Did he say "Eeeeenteresting" too? I bet that was the clincher.


Nick
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: Pubrick on July 10, 2003, 10:43:33 AM
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNick
Did he say "Eeeeenteresting" too? I bet that was the clincher.


Nick

funny u mention it. u would think that was enuff to bag a broad, but the real clincher was straight after when Michael asked her "how come u talk funny?".. and she was like "how come u smell funny." true story.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: filmcritic on July 27, 2003, 06:34:25 PM
I was sitting in a coffee shop at an airport several days ago and then I heard Michael Penn's "No Myth" over the speakers. I was really surprised. I had never heard any of his music outside of my cd player.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: Finn on December 08, 2003, 06:04:09 PM
Tomorrow Aimee Mann will be coming out with her special edition 2-disc version of Lost in Space. It has several live and unreleased tracks.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: MacGuffin on December 12, 2003, 04:22:23 PM
From Entertainment Weekly:

Twelve CDs Aimee Mann Says You've Gotta Get - By Any Means Necessary - Right Now!

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1. Elton John - "Madman Across the Water"
This is the first album I ever bought. I had never heard of Elton John, but I liked the cover. Just goes to show the value of a great package.

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2. Badfinger - "Straight Up"
I used to call the radio station and request 'Baby Blue' relentlessly--until someone there asked why I didn't just buy the record.

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3. Randy Newman - "Good Old Boys"
Someone played this for me when I was a teenager, and I remember how great and shocking and sweet I thought it was.

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4. Elliot Smith - "XO"
He's probably been the single greatest influence on my songwriting. I can't tell you how upset I was when I heard about his death.

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5. Loud Family - "Plants and Birds and Rocks and Things"
I love the arrangements, I love the little bits between songs...just perfectly conceived all throughtout.

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6. Coldplay - "A Rush of Blood to the Head"
There are songs here I can't listen to without bursting into tears.

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7. Liz Phair - "Exile in Guyville"
This record was really a bolt from the blue and completely changed my perception about how honest one could be in a song and the topics one could deal with lyrically.

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8. Elvis Costello - "Imperial Bedroom"
Classic Costello lyrics and endlessly entertaining production--some of his best songs ever.

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9. Honeydogs - "10,000 Years"
[My husband] Michael Penn turned me on to this. It's a concept album [due in Jan.] about the second coming of Christ... Oh, if every rock opera could be this well conceived.

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10. Frank Sinatra - "Francis Albert Sinatra & Antonio Carlos Jobim"
The quietest, slinkiest, saddest record ever. Reminds you why 'The Girl From Ipanema' is one of the greatest jazz standards of all time.

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11. Neil Young - "Harvest"
My babysitter brought this record over one night when I was a kid and I was fascinated. It had such a haunting and mournful quality.

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12. The Zombies - "Odessey & Oracle"
Produscer Jon Brion introduced me to this record. I still think Colin Blunstone has one of the greatest voices in rock ever.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on December 12, 2003, 05:18:19 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
From Entertainment Weekly:

Twelve CDs Aimee Mann Says You've Gotta Get - By Any Means Necessary - Right Now!


Does she think i'm going to go out right now and get these CDs?  Who does she think she is?... ok, fine... she's only one of my favorite artists... time to go spend some money on Half.com again... (and just when I thought i was done spending money this holiday season)...
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: Jingles on March 06, 2004, 07:58:31 PM
Hey, I'm new here. I've been listening to Aimee Mann non-stop since I saw Jerry Maguire and Wise Up was in that. I got the Special Edition CD last year and that's the only CD I've been listening to since it was released. Puts Coldplay to shame Aimee does.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: matt35mm on May 25, 2004, 01:20:15 AM
Her live cover of "The Scientist" is awesome.  And hey, she's not trying to put Coldplay to shame!  She's paying homage to a band she OBVIOUSLY and RIGHTFULLY LOVES!  So just... jingle on THAT, Mr... Jingles!
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: Finn on May 25, 2004, 10:49:59 AM
I actually think her version is better than Coldplay's.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: Just Withnail on May 25, 2004, 12:43:28 PM
Quote from: Jingles
Hey, I'm new here. I've been listening to Aimee Mann non-stop since I saw Jerry Maguire and Wise Up was in that.


Coming to Xixax saying Jerry Maguire is the movie you connect with Wise Up (http://www.xixax.com/viewforum.php?f=5) ain't a good idea  :P But, welcome!
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: Pubrick on May 25, 2004, 12:53:05 PM
who are u talking to?
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on May 25, 2004, 01:16:09 PM
I think he was referring to Jingles.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: MacGuffin on May 25, 2004, 02:15:43 PM
Quote from: Withnail
Coming to Xixax saying Jerry Maguire is the movie you connect with Wise Up (http://www.xixax.com/viewforum.php?f=5) ain't a good idea  :P But, welcome!


Along with the PTA site, Xixax also has a banner link at Greg's The Uncool site where some of the members you've come to know and love joined us.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: matt35mm on May 25, 2004, 03:11:41 PM
Her cover of "The Scientist" is very good.  It's different enough to work on its own, I think.  I like the lighter piano, but maybe it gets a little heavy with guitars at the end.

I think Coldplay's "The Scientist" is under-rated because it's pretty.  Coldplay can't help making pretty music.  But the ideas brought up in the song matched what I was writing about when I first listened to it over a year ago, so this song impacted me a lot.

"Questions of science, science and progress, do not speak as loud as my heart..." is, although simplified here, a really really powerful idea to me, the idea of what's really important in this "civilized, technological world."  The raw thrusting of the piano is at once dramatic, sexy, very intimate, and brings out the sadness in the lyrics.

The idea of going back to the beginning, and going in circles (he references a spinning coin, and how it can land on heads or tails) is a powerful backbone of the song's structure.

But I could never convince anyone who doesn't like the song that it's good.  Where I see honesty, many see sappiness.  Plus then they made it a single and had all the little girls singing along in the car, etc.  I think that lead to it being dismissed too early by many people.

But I think Aimee Mann herself sees what I see in the song, which is why she's praised that whole album as one of her top ten to get and why she covered the song.  As for which version is better, that's just totally up for grabs because they're both good as far as I'm concerned.

Sorry I wrote so much, I just like the song.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: cine on May 25, 2004, 11:46:45 PM
Quote from: W
I think he was referring to Jingles.

I'm pretty positive Pubrick's referring to the fact that Jingles made his/her only three posts nearly three months ago. I mean.. if you don't get that... why do you have to-- ah forget it!
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: Finn on April 17, 2005, 09:26:45 PM
Aimee Mann's New Album - "The Forgotten Arm"

"The Forgotten Arm is the new studio album from the Grammy and Oscar nominated singer/songwriter Aimee Mann. Aimee's songs have a literary quality to them — sharp, spare short stories set to music — so it was probably inevitable that she would one day make a concept album, the musical equivalent of a novella. The Forgotten Arm , her fifth solo release, is exactly that: a dozen songs that tell, rather loosely, the story of John and Caroline as they meet, fall in love and road trip across America."

This should be a really great album. I've heard "That's How I Knew This Story Would Break My Heart", "King of the Jailhouse" and "Going Through the Motions". They were all fantastic. You can hear the whole album at aimeemann.com. It'll be released May 3.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: modage on April 17, 2005, 09:38:35 PM
it's pretty good.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: Redlum on April 18, 2005, 05:47:12 PM
Also, here's a track from Michael Penn's new album "Mr Hollywood Jr"

http://toolshed-media.com/ts/michael-penn-walter-reed.mp3
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: modage on April 22, 2005, 11:34:50 PM
its sort of getting better.  little bombs is my favorite.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: imawombat on April 24, 2005, 12:15:18 PM
for anyone is la, aimee is playing an instore at ameoba on may 3rd at 7pm!

also, she's doing a show at house of blues on may 6th and michael p is playing mccabes on saturday, april 30th.
Title: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: The Red Vine on August 25, 2005, 03:43:11 PM
Has anybody heard the new Michael Penn album? It's very good (particularly the first 2 tracks). It has a bonus disc on it which I guess is extra stuff that never landed on the album but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: matt35mm on November 30, 2006, 10:48:33 PM
Hmm.  Dang.  Finals week.  I should probably study.

So I'll think about it.
Title: Re: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: elpablo on December 19, 2006, 06:32:34 PM
http://woxy.lala.com/holiday.php#aimeemann

Recording of an Aimee Mann Christmas Show in San Francisco with John C. Reily and Paul F Tompkins
Title: Re: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: wilder on January 07, 2012, 04:02:30 PM
Talking Charm with Aimee Mann - January 6, 2012

Talking with Aimee Mann is a little like listening to her music. In the rhythm of her speech, her pursuit for the right word or the answer to the question at hand, you can hear traces of her songs. It's in the pacing, thoughtfulness and timing as she builds on what she has to say. We spoke recently as she was taking a bit of a break from the studio while completing her next album, Charmer.

We covered a lot of ground in talking about the new album, her writing process, laziness, narcissism, super pop music and Twitter. Charmer will be Mann's eighth or ninth album depending on how you count. From her work with Til Tuesday in the '80s to the award-winning Magnolia soundtrack, to acting appearances in The Big Lebowski and Portlandia, it's hard to believe that Mann considers herself sort of lazy.

She's still at work on Charmer, but far enough along to talk about the new songs and the sketches of people she's created with her music.


"I found myself writing a lot of songs that kind of explored different... ideas of charm and people who are charming and what that is and how that can be sometimes really fun, ... but sometimes it's very manipulative and there's a darker side. That's a bit of a theme on the record.

If you think about the most charming people, I mean narcissists are really charming. And they're charming because if you're a person who's concerned about appearances, your talent is knowing how to create a great appearance. So they're really good at it for a while. It takes a while to realize that there's not much going on underneath or it's a fairly selfish pursuit."



I was surprised to hear that her musical influence for this album came from listening to a lot of what Mann called "super pop" from the '70s and '80s. She listed artists and groups like ABBA, The Ozark Mountain Daredevils and The Cars. "Jackie Blue" by The Ozark Mountain Daredevils was a touchstone for the album. I hadn't heard this song in a long time, but listening to it and thinking about Mann's music, I could hear an open, relaxed groove that matches Mann's sensibility. It'll be interesting to hear Charmer and listen for this. Like most artists, Mann wonders about how this all translates for her audience:


"I think the hardest thing for me is to try to describe what my music sounds like. You can have a certain thing as an influence and you can try to do a certain thing and it never really sounds like that to other people. Even saying pop music, what does that mean to people? Is that Justin Beiber? Or is that Neil Diamond?

I think you have to be really in tune with what you're interested in... , but when I was about to make this record I thought -- well, what should I do? And then I started thinking about what stuff I've been listening to that I got a kick out of. I realized it was this really pop, ABBA, Jimmy Webb kind of stuff.

In the studio my goal is to get him [keyboardist Jamie Edwards] to play stuff that is so ridiculous it makes me laugh and then I feel like that's the sound I want on the record because it's almost too much... And it's goofy and I don't know how that translates to anybody else, but to me that's part of making a good sound. Something with enough contrast so that it's almost a little too much. I sort of told everybody that there should be one ridiculous thing on each song."



Aside from the new album, Mann has an upcoming concert on Jan. 13 at the Two River Theater in Redbank, N.J. through Music Works Entertainment. This led us to talking about performing and how that's changed over the years since her days with Til Tuesday.


"I haven't thought about it in terms of stage presence, but I feel totally different. I was wildly uncomfortable with everything when I was 25... We played a lot of club gigs in New England but our first tour we got on this arena tour with Hall and Oates and I just felt like I didn't know what to do with that. I felt like there was this pressure to be really commercial and a performer and that's just not my thing at all. I certainly didn't know what to say on stage, but I didn't know what to say off stage either. Most of my memory of being with Til Tuesday was just wildly scrambling to figure out how to deal with the stuff that was coming my way and I didn't feel equipped for it at all.

It's easier now to have an attitude of you get up and do your best and you can't really worry about the effect you have on people. Some people will like it, some people won't. A lot of that isn't really up to you. If there's a situation in which you're going to be really uncomfortable, then just don't do it."



And finally Twitter. Mann was named one of Buzzword's Top Twitter Accounts for 2011. You can find her self-proclaimed "dumb and random" tweets at @aimeemann.

You'll find more of my conversation with Aimee Mann at www.betweenparents.org.


Source (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-stambler/aimee-mann_b_1179116.html)
Title: Re: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: Pubrick on January 08, 2012, 01:49:37 AM
So.. she's alive?
Title: Re: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: wilder on June 15, 2012, 05:09:14 AM
A song off of 'Charmer', her new album to be released September 18, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv91eqlN-SA
Title: Re: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: Pubrick on June 15, 2012, 07:37:08 AM
Well she ain't on a PTA soundtrack, and if she ain't on a PTA soundtrack I don't give a rat's ass.
Title: Re: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: wilder on August 15, 2012, 08:56:54 PM
Video for 'Charmer' (http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2012/08/14/158573974/first-watch-aimee-man-charmer) starring Laura Linney from Aimee Mann's forthcoming album

Title: Re: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: pete on August 18, 2012, 11:30:34 PM
there's already a robot double video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GMQLjzVGfw
Title: Re: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: matt35mm on January 06, 2013, 10:13:34 PM
HO-LEE SHIT. According to Dave Foley, Aimee Mann wrote "Save Me" about him!

He tells the story here:
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/11/15/dave-foley-theft-of-the-dial/

Also (since this thread says Michael Penn, it reminded me) I only just found out that he's the son of Eileen Ryan, who was in MAGNOLIA, and the sibling of Sean Penn and Chris Penn.
Title: Re: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: wilder on February 19, 2013, 11:39:58 PM
Aimee Mann will be on WTF on Friday
Title: Re: Aimee Mann and Michael Penn - the official thread
Post by: wilder on April 10, 2017, 05:36:34 AM
Aimee Mann has a new album (https://open.spotify.com/album/0rwd3CfF5cJS46VB7kgBpG) and was on WTF (http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-801-anne-hathaway-aimee-mann) again

(http://i.imgur.com/6GpF3AZ.jpg)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhThS-PJOFE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en8HZ6X20Og