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Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: budgie on January 20, 2003, 09:21:02 AM
Saw it a little while ago, not having seen it for a time.

I felt that yes, it had, and that it didn't seem to have the zip it once did. Just less dangerous, I suppose, and also over-stretched?

Familiarity breeding contempt, maybe. Still love the music, the scene with the adrenalin shot still works, still love Harvey Keitel and those scenes.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Cecil on January 20, 2003, 10:18:26 AM
i felt a little the same way when i bought the se dvd and watched it. i hadnt seen it in a couple of years.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Duck Sauce on January 20, 2003, 11:44:49 AM
I think its dated but hasnt lost its zip. When it came out it was so original, and now we are kind of used to it, and Tarantino rip offs. Still has it for me though .
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: phil marlowe on January 20, 2003, 12:53:51 PM
Quote from: Duck Sauce
I think its dated but hasnt lost its zip. When it came out it was so original, and now we are kind of used to it, and Tarantino rip offs. Still has it for me though .


I totally agree. It is with Pulp Fiction as it is with every other film that is groundbreaking and original, like The Godfather and Starwars, the "rush" it gave you will wear off. On the otherhand it will grow as a classic, and get that unique feeling of purity. Pulp Fiction is , for me, not what it was, but still fuckin enjoyable.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: RegularKarate on January 20, 2003, 01:41:49 PM
I grew sick of the film years ago... Hated how many people held it so high and hadn't even seen Reservoir Dogs.  

I just watched it a couple months ago and fell in love with it again.  Just a great film.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Satcho9 on January 20, 2003, 04:01:00 PM
I just watched it yesterday and it (to me) still has the "zip" it used to. Over time i guess people just became used to the film. Its a classic, 'nuff said.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: picolas on January 20, 2003, 07:55:26 PM
in terms of date: it's dated
in terms of "zip"ing-action: i don't think so


try watching the trailer for Pulp Fiction. that is dated.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Newtron on January 20, 2003, 11:23:19 PM
No.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Thecowgoooesmooo on January 22, 2003, 11:27:34 PM
yes the trailer is very dated... the trailer looks like shit to me... but i still can't find a movie to this day that has the realness in dialogue that pulp does so well


chris
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: life_boy on January 26, 2003, 03:16:45 AM
I like it more the more I watch it.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: soixante on February 15, 2003, 11:44:39 AM
We are getting close to the 10th Anniversary of Pulp Fiction's premiere at Cannes, and its subsequent American release in October 1994.  Ten years is a good benchmark to see how a film holds up.  OK, so it has only been nine years, but still, Pulp Fiction is getting better with age (unlike Butch).

Let's put Pulp into perspective -- before it came out, no independent film had grossed $100 million at the domestic box office.  Think of all the Pulp Fiction ripoffs that have followed.  All of these films merely demonstrate how great the original is.

The landscape that Tarantino helped to create has changed, and it will be interesting to see how Kill Bill plays in 2003.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: av8raaron on March 05, 2003, 10:39:32 PM
No - Pulp is one that stays in my DVD rotation.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: SHAFTR on March 06, 2003, 12:16:40 AM
I don't think so.

It gets better and better with each viewing.  I find it very refreshing.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on March 10, 2003, 02:35:49 AM
some of it has dated

thats why i would rather watch Jackie brown right now then pulp. Jackie has a timeless quality to it where as pulp just seems rather mid 90's right now, and even though it helped create lots of those cliches that other people later drove into the ground, it still falls into that category.

when i watch the royal with cheese scene i keep feeling overkill, because it was quoted and used to death. But yet the scene with marsalous trying to get butch to throw the fight, that feels still as fresh as it was in 94. But other stuff to me feel played out and dated, like the piercing scene feels mad mad dated, and well son of a preacher man will always now remind me of every annoying college girl in that era who used that song for their answering machine message

so in all pulp is a better overall statement, but Jackie brown is more satisfying.


so in all pulp is a better overall statement, but jackie brown is more satisfing.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: pgr on March 24, 2003, 08:59:59 AM
Umm.... I don't think its dated. It is one of the best films ever made and I'm sure many people share my opinion. I've watched it countless times and it still seems fresh.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: dufresne on March 25, 2003, 11:40:57 AM
the movie is not dated.  people trying to bite off its style of dialogue is though.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: finlayr on April 17, 2003, 04:07:12 PM
No
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: tpfkabi on May 05, 2003, 08:28:46 PM
i just saw it for the first time. its very fresh to me. i've never seen anything quite like it.
mention some films that are rip-offs.
i can't think of anything that compares right now.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on May 05, 2003, 08:37:56 PM
negative
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: mr_boz on August 06, 2003, 02:11:17 PM
budgie - i hear you.

i actually can't watch it any more - i loved it to pieces when it first came out, but i totally agree that it just doesn't seem like a timeless film.  it is a *great* film, but i just don't think i could sit through it again.  it seems old and tired now.

certain scenes are worth repeated viewings (keitel, par example) though.

on the other hand - jackie brown and res. dogs hold up nicely, and i find that jackie gets better with multiple viewings.

-ccb
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: socketlevel on December 15, 2003, 12:12:21 AM
dated, no.  but i do see how it seems less professional then i remember.  the acting lacks at points and so on.  It's still on my top ten of all time but it seems different.  if he made it now it would be tighter but that's what you get for like 8 million bucks.  i could only dream of doing that well.
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Kal on December 15, 2003, 12:41:19 AM
Just saw it again last night... its great when you turn on the TV and Pulp Fiction is on... you cant turn it off... its like when they're showing Rocky

anyways... I still love it... and maybe the problem that gives us that impression is because back then this was something really original and unique and everyone has done similar things since... and now movies are even much more violent or crazy...

It will happen in a few years (its actually happening already) when you see The Matrix and some effects are like the original Superman flying...
Title: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: billybrown on December 15, 2003, 05:20:11 PM
Not at all.

Not even an inch.

Not even a smidgen.

Not even a whisker.

Not even a pubic hair.

Pulp Fiction is easily one of the best, if not influential film's of the 90's.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: MacGuffin on September 20, 2006, 02:01:11 PM
Cobain Turned Down 'Pulp Fiction' Role
By WENN

Kurt Cobain turned down a small part in Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction, according to the late rocker's wife Courtney Love.

The Nirvana frontman was lined up to appear alongside Love in the 1994 movie.

Cobain would have starred as a drug dealer, while Love would have played his heavily pierced girlfriend. The roles were eventually taken by Eric Stoltz and Rosanna Arquette.

Love says, "If Kurt had survived we'd be taking private jets by now. He'd have loved that."

Cobain committed suicide in April 1994.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Pozer on September 20, 2006, 02:26:52 PM
well that explains lance's look & wardrobe and jody period.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: SiliasRuby on September 20, 2006, 07:43:11 PM
One of my all time favorites, it would have been interesting to see Kurt and Courtney in those roles.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: grand theft sparrow on September 20, 2006, 09:15:20 PM
Fuck that shit!

EFIL4ZTLOTS
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Alexandro on March 20, 2011, 12:27:52 PM
rewatched Pulp two nights ago.

Complete masterpiece. Is not dated, it's just that now, with all the shiny look in new films, an 8 million indie film looks pretty cheap. I mean the film shows it's indieness despite the huge cast. the acting is solid all the way through.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Reelist on March 20, 2011, 09:13:55 PM
Pulp Fiction will never date. It's influences are all too varied for it to be even placed anywhere in time.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: socketlevel on March 21, 2011, 06:50:02 AM
Cobain Turned Down 'Pulp Fiction' Role
By WENN

Kurt Cobain turned down a small part in Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction, according to the late rocker's wife Courtney Love.

The Nirvana frontman was lined up to appear alongside Love in the 1994 movie.

Cobain would have starred as a drug dealer, while Love would have played his heavily pierced girlfriend. The roles were eventually taken by Eric Stoltz and Rosanna Arquette.

Love says, "If Kurt had survived we'd be taking private jets by now. He'd have loved that."

Cobain committed suicide in April 1994.

QT was thanked in Nevermind's liner notes.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Reelist on March 21, 2011, 02:52:56 PM
That would've rocked my world so frickin hard, I don't even like to think about it. Eric Stoltz is still one of the funniest parts of the movie to me, but I don't believe him as a Heroin addict at all.
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Post by: 72teeth on March 21, 2011, 03:31:23 PM
Do you go to LA?
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Reelist on March 21, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
no... never been, but I know a lot of heroin addicts and they just don't seem to have that much energy. Then again, I've never seen them high.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: 72teeth on March 21, 2011, 03:45:27 PM
i think he was just a dealer, no?
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Gold Trumpet on March 21, 2011, 03:56:57 PM
It wouldn't have ruined the movie, but I don't think Cobain had an acting bone in him. Whenever someone like that is in a film, it does hurt the scene. Love Brett Favre, but he's nails on a chalkboard in There's Something About Mary.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Reelist on March 21, 2011, 04:13:40 PM
i think he was just a dealer, no?


no. remember he's like "I'm giving you this from my personal supply" and plus who the fuck wants to mess with heroin who doesn't already do it, I mean come on! ( people on the wire excluded, I guess )

and GT, I think you're right. It wasn't a good time for him to be "baring all" onscreen like that when he was dealing with all those accusations of using while he had a baby in real life, but that would've elevated the movie to such greatness. This is why I don't like to think about it, but maybe it would've gotten Cobain out of his own skin and finding a new niche for himself in hollywood, cuz he seemed pretty done with music. Maybe we could've sucked a few more years out of him, who knows?
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: 72teeth on March 21, 2011, 04:18:58 PM
i think he was just a dealer, no?


no. remember he's like "I'm giving you this from my personal supply" and plus who the fuck wants to mess with heroin who doesn't already do it, I mean come on! ( people on the wire excluded, I guess )

great, now that scene is ruined. Thanks bro. 
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Reelist on March 21, 2011, 10:51:49 PM
the adrenaline shot is still one of the best scenes. The.Best.Scenes.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: 72teeth on March 22, 2011, 02:41:05 AM
yeah, thats one of those moments where you remember where you were the first time watching it... nothin like the first time.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Reelist on March 22, 2011, 07:17:36 AM
I actually take back what I said before about this movie never dating. After you see it for the first time, it's already dated.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: pete on March 22, 2011, 02:48:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6Cp96wn6Y&feature=related

a stephen chow compilation that features an adrenaline needle parody.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Alexandro on March 22, 2011, 03:14:09 PM
the "oh man, i think I shot marvin in the face" line always cracks me up, and sam jackson losing all coolness right after that.
watching it last week I appreciated it more than I had in ages. specially going back to 1994 when there was really nothing like it around.

I remember a story about harvey weinstein reading the screenplay for the first time and getting more and more excited as the pages went by, at some point calling the guy who gave it to him and going: "the lead just died!! the lead just died!!!...he's coming back, right?!?!? he's coming back. i'll call you later."

Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: cinemanarchist on March 22, 2011, 03:27:12 PM
I bought a paperback copy of the screenplay back in high school and read it every time I was in the bathroom. I'd go through 5-10 pages at a time and when I'd finish it, I'd just start it again. I used to be able to flip right to a specific scene if my mood called for it. I've never had such a total and complete mastery of any piece of writing before or since. So whenever I see Pulp Fiction it always reminds me of taking a shit...in a good way.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Stefen on March 24, 2011, 05:37:34 AM
It's probably one of the top 10 movies ever made. If you argued top 5, I'd listen.

I always wondered what it would have been like watching this after I had seen a lot of movies instead of it being one of the first movies I can remember falling in love with. Maybe I wouldn't have underrated it as much. We were kind of spoiled by Pulp Fiction. Nobody before us had seen anything like it, but to us, it was just a cool movie. It isn't until now, after we've watched tons of other movies, past, present and future, that we finally understand how gotdamn good this movie is. I can probably recite every line of this movie. From "I seen em do it, man, they fucking drown 'em in that shit." to "Now, you got a corpse in the car minus the head in the garage. Take me to it." I love Pulp Fiction so much that I love From Dusk Til Dawn just because of the tiny bit of similarities they share.

This movie is kind of what keeps cinema fresh. You could almost judge movies before Pulp Fiction and after. The artform changed when this was made.

It always cracked me up how Sam Jackson has the jheri curls in the movie, but in almost every piece of promotional material I ever saw for it he had short hair.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Reelist on March 24, 2011, 07:14:29 AM
It always cracked me up how Sam Jackson has the jheri curls in the movie, but in almost every piece of promotional material I ever saw for it he had short hair.

haha, oh yeah. What, did they lose his wig? what if Uma Thurman was a blonde in them, or John Travolta had a buzzcut. It would've looked more like an Entertainment Weekly reunion picture than an ad. People'd be like 
"this QT, what's he trying to pull? Is saying the actors are more important than the parts they play?" breaking the fourth wall and shit.
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Post by: Stefen on March 24, 2011, 12:49:00 PM
Look at this. Couldn't they just photoshop some Jheri curls on Sam Jackson?

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/91/26/c4f5810ae7a01cc2ec0fb110.L.jpg)
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: cinemanarchist on March 24, 2011, 02:48:50 PM
Look at this. Couldn't they just photoshop some Jheri curls on Sam Jackson?

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/91/26/c4f5810ae7a01cc2ec0fb110.L.jpg)

HAhahhAHA!! That looks like a still from Loaded Weapon 1.
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Post by: socketlevel on March 24, 2011, 03:47:01 PM
I think those photos were taken prior to the film's production, i remember reading the curls were a last minute decision.

Also don't forget, the oringal photoshop came out in 1990! maybe it wasn't sophisticated enough to deal with that much grease :P
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Stefen on March 24, 2011, 05:33:28 PM
I got pretty hammered and watched it last night after not seeing it for years.

Wanted to drop a few more thoughts while it's still fresh in my mind.

It really is THAT good. Top 10 movie of all-time, easily. I don't think it can ever be dated. If anything, it's ahead of its time. In the 90's, filmmakers were getting away with things they probably couldn't get away with now. Some examples are Casino and Pulp Fiction. Both movies are brutally violent. Especially the former. And Pulp Fiction did something that you almost never see and certainly don't now -- it made doing heroin look cool and chic. When Vincent shoots up, then takes a nighttime drive with the top down while smoking a cigarette, it looks COOL. You can't get away with that now. Even the language. The word nigger is used often, but it's okay. It's never offensive.

Another thing it has in common with Casino (I only keep bringing it up because I watched it a few months ago as well and it's another movie that I cite as getting me interested in cinema) is that they both share the same DP. Both films look so good, but this one just screams independent cinema. It's a thing of beauty. I had to watch it on DVD and it really reminded me how much better blu-ray is and how huge a step up the technology is. I used to be awed by DVD. I remember when Magnolia and the Boogie Nights SE DVD's came out (SAME DAY!) and just how beautiful they looked. Now I watch the DVD's and they're ugly and hurt my eyes. This was no exception. It's a shame it's not out on blu-ray. I'm sure it's being saved for a giant money grab, but the format has already been around so long, you would think it would be out by now.

And the music -- it's overplayed now and if there is one soundtrack everyone here has bought during the course of their lives, it's this one, but it's like that way for a reason. The choice of musical cues coupled with the editing is just something special in this film. Another thing it has in common with Casino.

It's so good. Everything about it.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 24, 2011, 05:58:37 PM
Another thing it has in common with Casino (I only keep bringing it up because I watched it a few months ago as well and it's another movie that I cite as getting me interested in cinema) is that they both share the same DP. Both films look so good, but this one just screams independent cinema. It's a thing of beauty.

They don't, man. Andrzej Sekula is not Richardson, but I agree with you on everything else you and other have been writing. It's clearly the movie that made me like movies a lot to really love movies, and to call my attention to the fact that these things were written and directed by someone. One of the things that made the most impact in my life was reading "Written and Directed by Quentin Tarantino" at the end of Pulp Fiction. I was in awe of the movie, and right then and there, I understood what a film director is. Complete masterpiece.

Despite all this pants-creaming moment, I still say Jackie Brown is my personal favorite.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Stefen on March 24, 2011, 06:17:08 PM
Oh snap, you're right. Why did I think Richardson did them both?  :doh:
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Post by: MacGuffin on March 24, 2011, 08:08:46 PM
Why did I think Richardson did them both?  :doh:

I got pretty hammered and watched it last night
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 25, 2011, 10:02:26 AM
:lol:
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Post by: socketlevel on March 25, 2011, 11:14:59 AM
Oh snap, you're right. Why did I think Richardson did them both?  :doh:

Richardson started working with QT after jackie brown. though i think death proof was shot by the man himself.
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Post by: modage on March 25, 2011, 02:36:38 PM
No one could get away with this now, not even him, because it was a total surprise. Even after Reservoir Dogs, no one could have imagined something like this. If he tried to make something like this now it would be too self-conscious, it just wouldn't have the same effect on people. THIS film should have been called "Sucker Punch" (but not really, but you know what I mean.)
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: socketlevel on March 25, 2011, 04:01:56 PM
agreed, i also believe it's probably the only screenplay that has turned a profit after being published.

I was in highschool when this film came out. Dated or not, this really did inspire a generation of youth to not only become film makers but push the boundaries of mainstream storytelling. So many people wanted to write their own Pulp Fiction. So many did, and there were so many failures. Everyone I knew that wanted to tell stories in one form or another got their start/muse from this film during that time.

Call QT whatever you want, but if you lived through the release of this film (and remember it), it was THE shining light for independent cinema.

I'm sure a lot of people influenced by PF moved on to other things, and as they grew older and tastes got more refined, they stored it away under inferior adolescence. Regardless, it's nothing short of a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: polkablues on December 09, 2011, 11:57:27 PM
Pulp Fiction in Chronological Order (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4W8p1MVrueg)
Title: Re: Has Pulp Fiction dated?
Post by: Pubrick on March 02, 2012, 12:15:35 AM
Pulp Shakespeare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dfLkcTAR80

Conclusive proof it has not dated and possibly CANNOT date.