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Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: life_boy on January 15, 2003, 12:32:44 AM
Does anyone here give a damn about the Oscars?  I like trying to predict the nominations and the winners but I still feel the whole show is a crock.  What does anyone else think?

PS:  I still think there should be a 'best acting ensamble' catagory.  I can't believe there isn't one yet.
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: sphinx on January 15, 2003, 12:38:55 AM
nominees and results are obviously geared towards mainstream audiences.  i'm tired of hearing 'the oscars are an outrage' stuff, they're just pieces of paper in envelopes that have opinions on them---or perhaps it's the amount of attention and respect that the oscars get because of these opinions.  i just don't know anymore :\
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Duck Sauce on January 15, 2003, 12:42:15 AM
Quote from: life_boy
Does anyone here give a damn about the Oscars?  I like trying to predict the nominations and the winners but I still feel the whole show is a crock.  What does anyone else think?


I agree. It kind of irritates me at first when somebody gets screwed, but then I take a moment and remember that its the Oscars. Its fun to guess who will win and all, but when it comes to accurate awards, I dont think so.
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 15, 2003, 12:59:46 PM
Quote from: sphinx
just pieces of paper in envelopes that have opinions on them


Yeah, but... you can't say they're not influential. I think anyone who cares about the future of movies has a right to be frustrated with the Oscars and care about the result, no matter how meaningless it really should be.

 :bad-words:
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Satcho9 on January 15, 2003, 03:42:51 PM
I love movies and all, but when you look at it objectively...Its an event where actors and filmmakers get together and reward themselves for insignificant achievements. Funny when you think about it. Western culture is fucked up.
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: life_boy on January 15, 2003, 04:08:50 PM
It's also all for money.  The studios put up money for parties and promotion for their films.  This, in turn, will generate "Oscar buzz" which will, in turn, make the general public anxious to see these 'award winning' movies.  No Best Picture winner in the past 15 years has been a box-office flop.  The question is do the awards make the box office or the box office make the awards?  A little of both I think.
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Victor on January 16, 2003, 05:05:20 PM
fuck the oscars
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: xerxes on January 16, 2003, 07:07:16 PM
every one of you would love to get one
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Redlum on January 17, 2003, 03:46:11 AM
I enjoy watching the show. Sometimes there will be a catergory where I think somebody 'has' to win but apart from that Im not bothered about the awards. Last year they had that really great sketch by Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson for the costume design award, where they dressed stiller up like a "frickin ZZ top troll boy" . Its the nominations that count.
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: budgie on January 18, 2003, 08:30:19 AM
I loved watching the Oscars last year (the first time I had been able to). Tom C. coming on like royalty and like no one else could. The shots of Lynch and Altman like a pair of old queens looking cynical and bitching away when they announced the Director award! Taken for what it is, I think it's great entertainment, and put it this way, if PDL gets nominations then it will make more money. What was great last time was watching our BAFTA ceremony and comparing it to the Oscar one. We just try to get things over and done with as quickly as possible, and the overall embarrassment is painful to see, whereas if nothing else you Americans know how to put on a show and enjoy it. Good shots of Baz Luhrmann looking extremely pissed off though.
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Redlum on January 18, 2003, 09:42:11 AM
If PDL gets nominated it will become like cheering for a side in a football game.

Poor Baz.
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: NEON MERCURY on December 18, 2003, 10:54:29 PM
..i ennjoy the telecast ...ffor the most part i agree w/their nnnominatioons and i think they choose/nominate  non-mainstream sh*t also(i.e. burnnstyn for requiem).....which is cool.....

its the grammy's that suck.....
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Kal on December 18, 2003, 11:05:51 PM
I really like the Oscars... the whole voting process and nominees and all that always sucks because many of the voters lack of good judgement and have other interests involved in their decisions... but the overall feeling of the Oscar nominations and then the show and all that is really cool...
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: nix on December 18, 2003, 11:13:34 PM
I bitch about who got snubbed for eleven months out of the year, but when March (Febuary this year) rolls around I always get excited.

I do feel like the best picture oscar has gone to undeserving movies for the past three years in a row, and many, many years prior. The last movie that I think totally deserved it was American Beauty. Then again, there were about ten other deserving movies that year as well.
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Kal on December 19, 2003, 12:33:09 AM
as long as no dumb fuck like michael moore starts bitching around it should be a great show this year... and i hope LOTR wins a lot of awards...

too bad The Matrix will get shit :(
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Pubrick on December 19, 2003, 01:53:16 AM
as long as i win, i'm happy.
Title: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: nix on December 20, 2003, 09:54:17 PM
I'd love it if Micheal Moore Crashed the party, and I'm glad that the Matrix won't get shit. It doesn't deserve shit.
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Reelist on March 04, 2018, 07:01:41 PM
I predict that ‘Get Out’ will win best original screenplay tonight
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Post by: jenkins on March 04, 2018, 10:03:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVmuTIQBoio
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Post by: samsong on March 04, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
knew greenwood wasnt going to win but when i saw who was presenting, i had a bit of hope.  what i wouldve given to see chris walken awkwardly hand an award to the equally emaciated weirdo.
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Post by: Drenk on March 04, 2018, 11:02:23 PM
Awful Oscars this year. Awful.
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: ono on March 04, 2018, 11:15:29 PM
Glad I missed it.  The Shape of Water is so badly written but so well made... For what it is.  Not the best picture of the year.  I would be okay with Phantom Thread not winning if they at least picked something as subversive as Get Out.  And this coming from someone who hasn't even seen it but has heard enough to know enough about it.  That's the only thing that makes it okay that it bested Phantom Thread for original screenplay.
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: jenkins on March 05, 2018, 01:45:10 AM
Tiffany Haddish and Maya Rudolph Ask Are the Oscars Too Black Now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8hpFbW1gUY
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Sleepless on March 05, 2018, 08:47:38 AM
^ That was the highlight of the night for sure :D
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Post by: Fuzzy Dunlop on March 05, 2018, 03:14:59 PM
Guys, the night ended with Mark Bridges on a goddamn jetski. I have no complaints.
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: wilberfan on March 05, 2018, 03:33:09 PM
And the way things work, that's what he'll be famous for the rest of his life...
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: wilder on March 06, 2018, 02:37:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuC2r8OMt0c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWjm7Xr_zV0
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Sleepless on March 06, 2018, 10:36:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7DssfaYi5w
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: jenkins on March 06, 2018, 01:58:34 PM
i got into those
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Sleepless on March 07, 2018, 03:40:51 PM
decent read: Progress in Moderation: A Night of Conflict and Compromise at the Oscars (https://www.theringer.com/oscars/2018/3/5/17081462/2018-oscars-academy-awards-ceremony)
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Fuzzy Dunlop on March 12, 2018, 09:28:33 PM
Mark Bridges is giving away his jetski :(

https://www.avclub.com/phantom-threads-costume-designer-is-giving-away-his-jet-1823717139 (https://www.avclub.com/phantom-threads-costume-designer-is-giving-away-his-jet-1823717139)
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: wilberfan on August 28, 2018, 12:57:33 PM
Bret Easton Ellis on The Oscars and probably my favorite documentary so far this year (Scotty and the Secret History of Hollywood).   And then some other stuff.


From his podcast (https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/patreon-posts/k0miarO4E7zElhZSXX8yTSeNv8tJvl--vE8TjCtjk1b3pNgXltdIYgS_chNSypK2.mp3).


I found it fascinating--but maybe that's just because I mostly agree with him.
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: eward on August 28, 2018, 03:59:34 PM
I love his podcast, been hooked on it since it started. I find myself agreeing with him more often than not, and still appreciate his point of view and candor when our, hm, general values, shall we say, don't exactly align.
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Sleepless on August 29, 2018, 08:50:41 AM
What does he say that you (mostly) agree with?
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: wilberfan on August 29, 2018, 03:37:50 PM
One thing he said that really struck me was that movies used to be the center of the culture.  That really rang true for me, having come of cinematic age in the 70s.  I hadn't really considered that movies really aren't that anymore.   He also shared my contempt of the latest "Best Popular Picture" addition to the awards, and how the voting rule changes following the 'snubbing' of "Dark Knight" have resulted in very "safe", but often mediocre choices for Best Picture winners.   
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Sleepless on August 29, 2018, 03:59:03 PM
Fair points all. Last week's Indiewire podcast had a few nice lines about it all. Basically that the Popular Film Oscar isn't the right way forward (and it may not come to pass - at least not yet) but that something does need to be done to make the Oscars more relevant to a bigger audience again. The Academy is supposed to highlight the best filmmaking... and that's the films coming from speciality labels and indies, not the studios, which is kinda sorta the problem. Also, we all want the Academy to survive, so hope they figure this all out.

I've also heard some repeated arguments (from Indiewire and elsewhere) that the current slump began when they shifted from 5 BP nominees to up to 10, and the shift to preferential voting. Incidentally, both symptoms of Dark Knight missing out on a BP nomination.
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: wilberfan on August 29, 2018, 04:14:28 PM
I've also heard some repeated arguments (from Indiewire and elsewhere) that the current slump began when they shifted from 5 BP nominees to up to 10, and the shift to preferential voting. Incidentally, both symptoms of Dark Knight missing out on a BP nomination.


This was the example Ellis cited, exactly.  He also offered some interesting history on the origin of the Oscars, specifically how Louis B. Mayer started them as a P.R. game to counteract the outrage by the bluenoses and others that Hollywood was a cesspool of immorality.  He wanted to start an organization that would let the world believe that Hollywood was a noble and virtuous business that was high-minded and socially conscious. 

And I need to keep reminding myself that all of the modifications by the Academy are really just about retaining or increasing viewership of the Oscar ceremony (and it's attendant ad revenue).   Given cinemas displacement at the center of the cultural solar system, I think they've got a real battle on their hands.   Whatever changes they feel compelled to make for more eyeballs I can't help think will only dilute the "credibility" of the awards in the process.
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: eward on August 29, 2018, 04:37:26 PM
I only really start disagreeing with him on political points. He's generally liberal (he claims) but increasingly derisive of what he deems "left wing hysteria" and "Trump Derangement Syndrome" etc. I mean I get his basic thesis, but also find it over the top, and very curious considering he rarely if ever speaks similarly about the Right.

His thoughts on film and the broader cultural spectrum make generally good bedfellows with my own. Except he liked A Quiet Place and hated Eighth Grade, so....no one is perfect.
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Sleepless on August 30, 2018, 09:03:21 AM
Whatever changes they feel compelled to make for more eyeballs I can't help think will only dilute the "credibility" of the awards in the process.

It's a difficult and unenvious balancing act to be sure. But the Oscars ceremony is how they make their money. So it's not a problem they can shy away form confronting.

A more welcome question, though no less knotty, is how does cinema become closer to the "center of culture" that it once was? There seem to be so many odds against it - the absolute glut of content that is produced, the studio's tunnel strategy of four-quadrant established IP, even preconceived notions of Hollywood elites across all political/social segments...
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: wilberfan on August 30, 2018, 04:03:58 PM
Maybe this falls under your "four-quadrant IP" comment (one I'm not familiar with, to be honest), but I also think Hollywood's penchant for making films that will appeal to literally as many people as possible (ie, world-wide distribution) is also diluting the aesthetics of artful filmmaking.   And where's the cultural center when you're dealing with multitudes of cultures?
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: ono on August 30, 2018, 06:04:40 PM
One thing he said that really struck me was that movies used to be the center of the culture.
What would you say is?  I'm trying to pinpoint that, but I can't because let's face it, after 35, we're kind of out of touch.
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: wilberfan on August 30, 2018, 08:57:39 PM
That's an excellent question.  And I'm pretty sure I'm not the guy to answer that one.   I'm the guy that's baffled by an article about some YouTube Influencer that I've never come CLOSE to hearing of.   (And the guy that often fast-forwards thru the musical guest on SNL every week.) 


But here's a thought: I wonder if the center of the culture these days might be the Politics of Outrage, or identity, etc.  Or maybe even the Culture War itself is the center of the culture?   It certainly garners a whole lot of brain cycles every day from from every part of the human intelligence spectrum.
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: Sleepless on August 31, 2018, 09:45:45 AM
TV is closer to center of culture than film these days, I feel. But there's still such a glut of TV being produced right now, even that doesn't seem like a decent answer. I think you've come close to hitting the nail on the head by suggesting the ADD daily cycle of outrage/backlash as one of the best possibilities. But that's not really culture, is it? Not in the traditional sense of culture as art in any form. Maybe we have a vacuous centre of culture right now.
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Post by: jenkins on August 31, 2018, 07:04:44 PM
it's the internet of course it is. it affects culture in the way the center does: how we think, what we do, what we talk about, what we wear, etc. i can easily find people who don't watch tv, but good luck finding those who avoid the internet ("the new rebellion")

earlier i had a lengthier thing about this, it was a pretty good post tbh, i shittalked BEE as well, but i wrote it following ono's post and i deleted it because i didn't want ono to feel uncomfortable

BEE is ridiculous
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Post by: ono on August 31, 2018, 10:44:18 PM
Lol wut.
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Post by: jenkins on August 31, 2018, 10:47:58 PM
BEE's useless anger tires me, but that's unrelated to you people
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Post by: eward on August 31, 2018, 11:12:04 PM
Could you elaborate? Which aspects of said anger specifically, and how/why useless?
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Post by: jenkins on August 31, 2018, 11:29:13 PM
lamenting the loss of film as the center of culture is romantic i guess, being pissed off about it is useless energy. in my previous post that i deleted i asked if film being lost is any worse than opera or plays or books. i mentioned how a caveperson didn't think "i need something to read now." that's not what cavepeople were thinking about. they didn't see books coming back then, like we can't see what's coming after the internet now. it won't be vr (i can't fucking wait for hologram chambers). it won't be tv because that already happened. tv and vr are niche markets, and the market place is now niche. that's because the cultural platform is the internet. BEE is on it, that's why people are talking about what he's talking about, they wouldn't be talking about that if they weren't hearing him from the internet. his show being popular is actually an excellent example of the power of the internet. but he's pissed about movie shit: so human. i also had this thing about how i don't think the internet has altered the general character of being human, so in some ways the internet is overrated as well, i want the next thing too, i'm ready for us to be over the internet. but still here i am.
Title: Re: Oscars....Yes or No?
Post by: BB on September 03, 2018, 09:36:48 PM
it's the internet of course it is. it affects culture in the way the center does: how we think, what we do, what we talk about, what we wear, etc. i can easily find people who don't watch tv, but good luck finding those who avoid the internet ("the new rebellion")

Of interest, too, is that probably THE central sub-medium of the internet is web video, which is film. The internet ate everything, but its heart and lifeblood remains film. People are constantly watching short form content, they're just not the type of content we who grew up with capital-F Film culture hold dear (ie. feature-length, well-produced, etc.). But they could be if this is what people wanted. This is the true democratization of the form, the thing Coppola talks about at the end of Hearts of Darkness (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tx9PRj2SYs). We've now seen what the little fat girl in Ohio makes ... and it's Musical.lys and vlogs and the Shiggy challenge. Whether or not we like it, this is filmmaking -- sans professionalism.

I'm not sure, however, that Coppola's closing remark, that this is when film will finally become an art form, has been realized. Certainly, I don't think there's been much in the way of web video that compares with the best of cinema on the basis of artistic merit. At least I haven't seen it if it's out there. But this is not so much an internet/film problem as a democracy problem.