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Title: Joker (2019)
Post by: eward on September 21, 2018, 08:42:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke6DoZucws0

My bread and butter through December. Think this is really going to turn out well.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: Nails9 on September 21, 2018, 11:19:44 PM
This all feels too on the nose *HONK HONK*

From the casting, to the influences it's been flapping up and down on it's dickie, I can only feel like I've seen it already.

Hide those cards Mr. Old-School-Hangover, Jokers should be wild.










yet I'd gladly eat those words like a peach for hours.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: modage on September 28, 2018, 12:26:11 PM
If one has even a passing interest in superhero films and like, other films, I'm not sure how you wouldn't at least be curiously excited about this.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: ©brad on September 28, 2018, 09:01:57 PM
I'd be more excited if someone other than Todd Phillips was directing.

Also hi mod!
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: BigSock on October 02, 2018, 02:38:28 AM
Apparently this is a heavy Trump allegory with Thomas Wayne serving as a metaphor for the president. He's the mayor which incites protests and riots from the disenfranchised. Joaquin's Joker becomes an icon and mascot for the protests as he rallies against Wayne which leads him to cross paths with De Niro who must be some Alex Jones type media personality.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: Sleepless on October 02, 2018, 08:12:23 AM
I'm fed up with all this Trump allegory bullshit in film and TV at the moment. What's the point? There's literally no subtext with Trump, so what's the point in rehashing it all when all everyone really wants is some escapism?

Quasi-related, perhaps the best metaphor for Trump and his election I've seen (https://twitter.com/khanoisseur/status/992832886414893056?lang=en).
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: eward on October 24, 2018, 11:22:00 AM
Just watched the first De Niro shot go off without a hitch. 2 1/8 pages, all in long unbroken takes, two steadicams flying around as well as a centrally located 80s-era broadcast camera shooting De Niro dead on.

De Niro looks like De Niro. Joaquin is thin and creepy, on the verge of going Full-Tilt Freddie. The set is electric today. De Niro's presence changes things.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: Fernando on October 24, 2018, 01:04:54 PM
Sorry if you already mentioned this in the chat box or somewhere else but, are you working on this? if so, what work are you doing there?
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: eward on October 24, 2018, 01:14:38 PM
I'm a production assistant, working technically out of the office, but I find myself on set frequently, especially during studio days. And being in my position makes that extra fun, because when I'm on-set I'm usually untethered to any direct responsibility, so I'm free to just kind of wander around and take whatever vantage point I please. Everyone knows me, so for the most part, they let me. It's good fun.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: wilberfan on October 24, 2018, 06:49:38 PM
Sounds like a blast.  Has Marc Maron showed up to do his scenes yet?
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: eward on October 24, 2018, 07:34:25 PM
Yes, today was his first day! He didnít have much to do, but tomorrow he sure does. Iím oddly excited/nervous for him haha. (Iíve been a WTF devotee since it began, and imagining him grappling with the pressure of acting with De Niro and Joaquin in his lovably stressed mind has me smiling .)
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: Sleepless on October 25, 2018, 07:21:29 AM
You're going to have an interesting day, eward...

Robert De Niro: suspicious package sent to actor's New York property (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/25/suspicious-package-sent-robert-de-niro-attempted-pipe-bombings)
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: eward on October 25, 2018, 08:26:01 AM
Yep, studio's got security doing some hardcore vetting in the mailroom. Just attempting to get on with the day's work with a bizarre terroristic cloud hovering over us. Not weird at all.

Imagine the shit show this would be if it were a left-leaning nut targeting Republicans?
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: Sleepless on October 25, 2018, 09:54:42 AM
Crazy. Between this and the Joaquin incident, you might want to start keeping a journal of your experiences. Would be great fodder for your memoirs when you're a big-shot down the road.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: eward on October 25, 2018, 10:38:44 AM
I think that might prove a very worthwhile idea! We have another 6 weeks, we'll see what's in store.

Also, just want to report that Maron is fucking killing it. I'm like oddly proud of him. There's a very interesting one-sided sense of intimacy that develops when you religiously listen to someone's podcast for the better part of a decade, it gets so you really feel like you know the person, like you've grown along with them -- and he being so effusively honest and all, I'm rooting for him like he's an old friend, but to him I'm a complete stranger.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: wilberfan on October 27, 2018, 08:04:44 PM
Also, just want to report that Maron is fucking killing it. I'm like oddly proud of him. There's a very interesting one-sided sense of intimacy that develops when you religiously listen to someone's podcast for the better part of a decade, it gets so you really feel like you know the person, like you've grown along with them -- and he being so effusively honest and all, I'm rooting for him like he's an old friend, but to him I'm a complete stranger.


Thanks for sharing this parenthetical on Maron.  I share your one-sided sense of knowing him so well.  It's a relief to hear that he's apparently nailing this gig.  (I spent waaaay too much time one day at the open house for 'The Cat Ranch' when it sold earlier this year.  It's such a trippy feeling to actually occupy a physical space that you otherwise only experience in your head.) 
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: eward on October 29, 2018, 02:27:37 PM
So we've been filming this big scene involving Joaquin and De Niro, and a little Maron, and a whole lot of extras, with SEVEN CAMERAS, all in full, 5-6 minute takes. Joaquin utterly committed, unhinged, changing things up from take to take, De Niro not so much (though he's still solid-as-fuck, and just paying witness to a bonafide legend doing his thing, even sometimes not quite nailing it at first, is humbling. Just - holy fuck, he's human! And, what's more, dealing with the psychic weight of all the sudden postal-pipebomb bullshit.) This is a wild experience, even if I'm only more or less a wallflower witness to the coolest shit.

Chatted with Maron at crafty on Friday. We talked about Monty Python, because he had just done Python week on WTF, Don Quixote (spin-off from the Python talk, Gilliam, etc) and who he thinks he might be able to interview from the Joker team. De Niro he doesn't feel too sure about, though he's going to try; he said Joaquin feels possible, if not guaranteed; and Todd he can absolutely get, he said with a sly grin. He's a really nice, even kind of shy dude. He perks up once you mention you're a fan though. He eats with everyone else too, sort of quietly. I recall a moment that I found charming when a background lady was having trouble with a portable tea kettle, and Maron suddenly, kind of intensely in an avuncular way, sidled-up and set about insisting on its immediate functionality, he having just used it himself. It just felt very - Maron. My fandom certainly colors my perception of him personally, of course, but I was pleased by our interaction and was moved to grin for most of the day afterward. I like him.

Favorite overheard tidbit of the day... As De Niro walked past me, ahead of two assistants, one said to the other: "Ugh did he take his teeth out again?"
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: Ravi on October 29, 2018, 06:29:33 PM
I recall a moment that I found charming when a background lady was having trouble with a portable tea kettle, and Maron suddenly, kind of intensely in an avuncular way, sidled-up and set about insisting on its immediate functionality, he having just used it himself. It just felt very - Maron.

Oh, that's incredibly Maron. Do you remember that tea kettle incident he talked about a few months ago on the show?
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: eward on October 29, 2018, 06:39:47 PM
I donít! What happened?
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: Ravi on October 29, 2018, 07:48:21 PM
http://www.wtfpod.com/dispatches/i-came-in-hot

SEPTEMBER 10, 2018
I CAME IN HOT.
Hello, Folks!

LíShana Tova, Jews! Happy 5779!

How are you all holding up? I miss Minnesota already. I was just there. The weather was perfect. What a relief to be in the nice cool breeze of the Midwest. What a relief to be on the road.

Itís almost impossible to clear my head when Iím home. Thereís always something to do. Something coming at me and when there isnít, I find something. I guess itís just my nature or maybe itís just the nature of being self-employed and basically having three or four jobs. Podcast, standup, writing and acting. Shit never stops. Iím not complaining because I love the work but I canít get a break. Because if I have an hour-and-a-half of free time each day thereís still a ton of routine maintenance and house shit and errands and food stuff to do. So, getting out on the road gets me some space. Physically and mentally.

Thatís not always great either. My mind can get pretty out there, but then I reel it all in and see whatís at the end of the hooks and fillet those monsters on stage.

The crowds in Minneapolis are great. Smart people, cultured people, polite people, sweetly passive-aggressive people. Iím sure there are plenty of assholes there but I think they are polite.

Iíve been aggro, short-fused, ready to pounce for a week or so. Not sure what is going on. Maybe I just feel over-extended. When I got to Minneapolis I just wanted to get my room set up and lock in, relax, write, think. I came in hot. Told the guy at check in I wanted a water kettle so I can make my tea in the room. He said they didnít have one. I thought, what kind of upscale hotel doesnít have one? I donít always stay at upscale places but lately Iíve realized that I have no wife or kids and Iím not sure why Iím not spending money on nice things. It pissed me off that they didnít have one. I told him they should get one, theyíre cheap. He said it wasnít his job, basically. That just pissed me off. So, after I checked in, I walked to Target and bought one. Fifteen bucks. I stomped back to the hotel with it under my arm, not in a bag, to make a point. I was so ready to just righteously, aggressively but causally, go in there, tell him it was cheap and they could keep it. I had even planned to tweet a pic of it and tag the hotel with some snotty, snarky bullshit remark. I had my cause.

It's sad when the world is out of control and scary that the battles we chose to fight can be stupid and petty just to feel like we have control of something, anything.

I got back and he was gone. A pregnant woman was now behind the counter. She saw me walk in, steamed, carrying the box, and she said, 'Oh you bought one. I found you one. Itís in your room.í Defeated and humbled I say, ĎThanks.í Then the killer line. She says, ĎI can return that for you.í It was perfect. Polite and annihilating. Masterful passive-aggression but genuine. She wouldíve done it. I said, ĎNah, Iíll do it tomorrow.í

I was in Minnesota for 24-hours and I had been to Target twice and returned something. Thatís the life Iím living.

I need to be humbled a bit. Taken down a notch. It grounded me. Got me level for the shows.

Thanks for coming out Minneapolis.

Today I talk to Billy Eichner about how he became Billy Eichner. On Thursday I talk to comic/writer Adam Cayton-Holland about his memoir which moves through his sister's suicide. Heavy but also funny and sweet. Good talks.

Enjoy!

Boomer lives!

Love,

Maron
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: eward on October 30, 2018, 05:52:54 AM
Oh man, you jogged my memory, I do remember that now! That's actually a pretty excellent episode all around.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: eward on November 19, 2018, 09:56:29 AM
Pics from yesterday. He's Freddie-thin.

http://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/4184804/joaquin-phoenix-nyc-2018-november-joker-29/ (http://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/4184804/joaquin-phoenix-nyc-2018-november-joker-29/)
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: Reelist on November 19, 2018, 01:24:35 PM
Wow, heís unrecognizable! I wasnít quite sure what to make of the first still of him that came out, but these pictures have me so pumped. You can see theyíre taking it into throwback comic book land instead of Jared Letoís odd mumble rapper interpretation. The red suit draws even more connections to ĎKing Of Comedyí! Iím sure itís influence will be written all over this film.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: eward on November 19, 2018, 03:10:33 PM
Yeah the KoC influence is pretty heavy in the script, too. A fine beacon of inspiration.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: jenkins on November 19, 2018, 04:17:51 PM
thatís unfortunate
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: eward on November 19, 2018, 04:57:10 PM
Not to my mind, but what comparisons can be made between the two are rather superficial anyhow, so it oughtnít be a reason to worry too much, if that doesnít appeal to you.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: jenkins on November 19, 2018, 05:05:29 PM
the crazy idolizing the crazy promises diminished returns, was on my mind.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: Drenk on November 19, 2018, 05:45:07 PM
I just want to say thatóat firstóI read KoC as Knight of Cups. Strange seconds.
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: jenkins on November 19, 2018, 09:56:10 PM
later on i realize thereís not much they can take from it, and i just hadnít liked the sound of it
Title: Re: Joker (2019)
Post by: eward on November 20, 2018, 06:12:40 AM
I just want to say thatóat firstóI read KoC as Knight of Cups. Strange seconds.

Ha! Strange indeed. That said, I think Joaquin would be perfect for a Malick film, particularly modern day, increasingly puzzling but oh-we-love-you-anyway Malick.