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Film Discussion => 2017 In Film => Topic started by: wilder on February 08, 2017, 02:21:05 PM

Title: The Beguiled
Post by: wilder on February 08, 2017, 02:21:05 PM

Set in a girls’ school in the state of Virginia in 1864. As the Civil War rages, The Miss Martha Farnsworth Seminary for Young Ladies has been sheltered from the outside world — until the day a wounded Union soldier is discovered nearby and taken in.

Directed by Sofia Coppola
Starring Colin Farrell, Nicole Kidman, Kirsten Dunst and Elle Fanning
Release Date - June 22, 2017

Title: Re: The Beguiled
Post by: KJ on February 09, 2017, 09:47:23 AM
this looks good, no?
Title: Re: The Beguiled
Post by: wilder on April 19, 2017, 06:46:44 PM
Title: Re: The Beguiled
Post by: wilder on June 22, 2017, 03:25:06 AM
Sofia Coppola on WTF (http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-822-sofia-coppola)
Title: Re: The Beguiled
Post by: WorldForgot on July 17, 2017, 09:31:54 PM
This version's Abigaile gives the film more sympathy for McBurney than any bit of the Siegel picture. Excluding Eastwood's then-image, of course. Although, Siegel's gives a more grisly representation of the war. Surprised there's little talk about the film, but, even QT and Sofia didn't speak about it for more than 15 minutes, so perhaps it flits in and out as it exists within the seminary's fence, isolated.
Title: Re: The Beguiled
Post by: wilder on July 17, 2017, 10:08:41 PM
I found the movie disappointing, but I'm hard-pressed to explain why. Maybe part of it was that the female characters were too thin and the script relied too much on their varying ages to give them personality instead of specific attributes?

This was posted today:

Sofia Coppola Defends ‘The Beguiled’ Against Backlash
via The Playlist

If you’ve taken a stroll through Film Twitter during the last few weeks, you’ve likely seen the backlash that has been generated against Sofia Coppola. The director has been taken to task for “The Beguiled,” her steamy drama/comedy set during the Civil War that doesn’t feature any African-American characters. In fact, Coppola excised the slave character Mattie, who is featured in Thomas Cullinan’s book and Don Siegel‘s 1971 movie. Others, however, counter that the director’s film tells the story of “The Beguiled” through her distinct lens, and even if you want more representation, perhaps the last person who should be tackling a slave narrative is Sofia Coppola. Now, the filmmaker herself has stepped into the storm of controversy.

In a statement to Indiewire, Coppola explains the creative choices she made, and in particular when it comes to Mattie, says it was done out of respect, and with an awareness of not wanting to appropriate someone else’s experience or culture. Here’s an excerpt of what she had to say:

I wanted to tell the story of the isolation of these women, cut off from the world and in denial of a changing world. I also focused on how they deal with repression and desire when a man comes in to their abandoned world, and how this situation affects each of them, being at different stages of their life and development. I thought there were universal themes, about desire and male and female power dynamics that could relate to all women….

….Throughout the film, we see students and teachers trying to hold on to their crumbling way of life. Eventually, they even lock themselves up and sever all ties to the outside world in order to perpetuate a reality that has only become a fantasy. My intentions in choosing to make a film in this world were not to celebrate a way of life whose time was over, but rather to explore the high cost of denial and repression….

….Some have said that it is not responsible to make a film set during the Civil War and not deal directly with slavery and feature slave characters. I did not think so in preparing this film, but have been thinking about this and will continue to do so. But it has been disheartening to hear my artistic choices, grounded in historical facts, being characterized as insensitive when my intention was the opposite.

While I don't give a shit about the "absence of black characters", I didn't feel that the elements she describes above were very present in the material. The version she thinks she made sounds more interesting than what I perceived was actually there. Maybe the addition of some sort of 'outside world' contrast would have helped put those ideas in starker relief.