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The Director's Chair => Paul Thomas Anderson => Topic started by: SailorOfTheSeas on May 08, 2014, 03:42:40 PM

Title: Magnolia discussion
Post by: SailorOfTheSeas on May 08, 2014, 03:42:40 PM
Hey, couldn't find a broad Magnolia thread in the last few pages so decided to make one, to put all little things you find and thoughts you have on Magnolia.

I got a question to start it off with tho.

What encouraged me to make this was finding out about Short Cuts. I've spent a lot of my recent PTA loving years oblivious to it and thinking Magnolia's framework was totally original. I haven't seen the film and haven't gt the time atm because of exams, but i read something that pointed out loads of similarities that go beyond simple thematic and story links. Both 3 hr and 8 mins long.  Both have a similar police-man character. Both culminate in a natural disaster. Both play with the idea of luck and coincidence.Things like that. Not that this ruins Magnolia for me at all, it's still phenomenal and one of the best films i've seen, but just punctures my awe of its originality and character a lil bit. I get that the two probably have very different messages and styles and are their own films, but these kinda similarities are quite crazy.

Can anyone who's seen Short Cuts debunk this and say that they do have some similarities but nothing major or is it true that the two are extremely similar? 

Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: SailorOfTheSeas on May 08, 2014, 03:54:05 PM
Please tell me if comparing these two films is as stupid as saying Requiem for a Dream copied Trainspotting because they both feature a group of characters and drugs, or if the comparison is entirely justified.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: jenkins on May 08, 2014, 04:20:04 PM
short cuts thread:
http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=789
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: SailorOfTheSeas on May 08, 2014, 04:31:24 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Mel on May 09, 2014, 03:20:59 AM
There is no question that Altman has been and is huge inspiration to PTA. In that regard comparing any work of Altman to Anderson doesn't seem artificial to me.

"Magnolia" was the first film of PTA I have seen. Since then I re-watched it again somewhere between "CMBB" and "Master", so my memories aren't fresh. Maybe it is time to revisit it?

Anyway "Magnolia" feels much formal to me than "Short Cuts". Opening of "Magnolia" is good example of that. It set ups mood and themes in the beginning of the film, in your face way. On the other hand "Short Cuts" are more subliminal (probably same goes for other Altman). There is voyeuristic feel to it - we got glimpses at lives of characters, often without much explanation to their behavior, film is resolved without conclusion.

Compared to that PTA is much more attached to characters, he cares a lot more for them. Cop character is good example of that - in both films they are stupid, but in case of PTA there is true sense of calling and that makes him much more likable.

Themes are also more visible in "Magnolia", maybe even to the point of being sometimes repetitive. In case of "Short Cuts" it is easier to point out themes after seeing the film than in the middle of watching.

Not sure if this is helpful at all, since I compared those films in very abstract way.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: modage on August 06, 2014, 10:20:43 AM
Must-read piece on Tom Cruise in MAGNOLIA with quotes from PTA & Cruise from Amy Nicholson's new book on Cruise...

http://grantland.com/features/tom-cruise-magnolia-amy-nicholson/
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 06, 2014, 04:59:13 PM
Loved that. Beautifully written and researched. Basically everything about Tom Cruise & Magnolia that had been missing.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: ©brad on August 06, 2014, 07:24:55 PM
Great stuff. I wish Cruise would take a break from saving the world and do another Magnolia or something small and character driven.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Reelist on August 07, 2014, 09:20:29 AM
wait a minute… Tom Cruise is actually a MAPOTHER?


(http://www.empireonline.com/images/features/sibling-rivalry/william-mapother.jpg)


turns out they're first cousins. Haha, that's the best thing I've heard in months.

Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: polkablues on August 07, 2014, 07:20:48 PM
Not to be that guy, but I assumed everyone knew that already.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 07, 2014, 08:11:04 PM
I had no idea, personally. I actually thought Reelist was joking at first, until I recognized the resemblance, then a few seconds later, the actual sincerity in Reelist's post.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Fuzzy Dunlop on August 08, 2014, 05:48:55 PM
Its a great week to be a MagnoliaFan, between the Grantland excerpt and now this essay from The Dissolve:

http://thedissolve.com/features/encore/696-the-beautiful-imperfection-of-magnolia/ (http://thedissolve.com/features/encore/696-the-beautiful-imperfection-of-magnolia/)
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on August 09, 2014, 02:17:30 PM
Not to be that guy, but I assumed everyone knew that already.

haha yeah, you're totally "that guy"
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Fuzzy Dunlop on November 13, 2014, 05:54:15 PM
A nice little essay about Magnolia, by Britt Hayes over at Badass Digest.

http://badassdigest.com/2014/11/12/this-is-something-that-happens-the-loneliness-of-magnolia/ (http://badassdigest.com/2014/11/12/this-is-something-that-happens-the-loneliness-of-magnolia/)

It's a little strange that it's been 15 years and all these 'looking back' articles are trickling out. I've been watching this film for over half of my human life.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Fuzzy Dunlop on December 01, 2015, 07:05:34 PM
If you're anything like me, you've been waiting to see Julianne Moore scream her Magnolia drug store monologue into a real stranger's face for years. Today is our day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsfoKkBdVnI&feature=share
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 01, 2015, 07:37:22 PM
If you're anything like me, you've been waiting to see Julianne Moore scream her Magnolia drug store monologue into a real stranger's face for years. Today is our day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsfoKkBdVnI&feature=share

Jeremy Blackman [01|Dec 02:52 PM]:   Hahaha... confused bystander at 2:06 is priceless
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 16, 2016, 04:17:49 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZabiqlUEAAa-Qb.jpg)
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 08, 2016, 01:28:59 PM
The hosts of my favorite Game of Thrones podcast recently reviewed Magnolia:

http://baldmove.com/bald-movies/magnolia-1999-commissioned-podcast/

(You can also search for the podcast "Bald Movies.")

It's an hour and a half reaction to the movie from a fairly personal POV. I found it interesting to hear what a couple civilians thought of Magnolia, seeing it for the first time 16+ years later.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 12, 2017, 12:37:32 PM
The host of the podcast Read It And Weep (http://read-weep.com/) makes a sly reference to Magnolia at 5:28 in Episode 295 - Criminal Minds (http://read-weep.com/#!/episode.php/criminal-minds). He directly quotes a character from the movie, completely in context. I don't think the guests realized it was a Magnolia quote. But it definitely is, because he's talked about Magnolia several times in subsequent episodes.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Alexandro on February 26, 2017, 10:21:27 PM
is this the place to post about a pretty nice aimee mann/magnolia tribute in the fucking lego batman movie? made me chuckle. actually the whole movie is pretty funny. check it out.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: RegularKarate on March 01, 2017, 09:13:19 AM
I saw that movie and must have missed the Magnolia tribute while trying to keep up with all the subtle (and not so subtle) Batman in-jokes.
Where was the reference?
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Alexandro on March 01, 2017, 09:20:22 AM
I saw that movie and must have missed the Magnolia tribute while trying to keep up with all the subtle (and not so subtle) Batman in-jokes.
Where was the reference?

really? there's a whole sequence of batman dead set on working alone with a cover of "one" playing all through it, showing how lonely he and the other characters feel.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: RegularKarate on March 01, 2017, 09:46:15 AM
I guess I didn't see that as a Magnolia reference since they're playing the original Harry Nilsson version and "one is the loneliest number" just matches the moment. Now, if they had been playing "Wise up"...
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Alexandro on March 01, 2017, 01:30:36 PM
that film is so crammed with all sorts of crazy references I wouldn't think it was a stretch.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Shughes on March 04, 2017, 08:21:44 AM
This is a great article:

https://cinephiliabeyond.org/magnolia-paul-thomas-andersons-absorbing-mosaic-compassion-humanity-importance-forgiveness/ (https://cinephiliabeyond.org/magnolia-paul-thomas-andersons-absorbing-mosaic-compassion-humanity-importance-forgiveness/)

Probably not news to anyone here, but nice to have the screenplay, those interviews, and some great production stills all in one place.