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The Director's Chair => Paul Thomas Anderson => Topic started by: SailorOfTheSeas on May 08, 2014, 03:42:40 PM

Title: Magnolia discussion
Post by: SailorOfTheSeas on May 08, 2014, 03:42:40 PM
Hey, couldn't find a broad Magnolia thread in the last few pages so decided to make one, to put all little things you find and thoughts you have on Magnolia.

I got a question to start it off with tho.

What encouraged me to make this was finding out about Short Cuts. I've spent a lot of my recent PTA loving years oblivious to it and thinking Magnolia's framework was totally original. I haven't seen the film and haven't gt the time atm because of exams, but i read something that pointed out loads of similarities that go beyond simple thematic and story links. Both 3 hr and 8 mins long.  Both have a similar police-man character. Both culminate in a natural disaster. Both play with the idea of luck and coincidence.Things like that. Not that this ruins Magnolia for me at all, it's still phenomenal and one of the best films i've seen, but just punctures my awe of its originality and character a lil bit. I get that the two probably have very different messages and styles and are their own films, but these kinda similarities are quite crazy.

Can anyone who's seen Short Cuts debunk this and say that they do have some similarities but nothing major or is it true that the two are extremely similar? 

Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: SailorOfTheSeas on May 08, 2014, 03:54:05 PM
Please tell me if comparing these two films is as stupid as saying Requiem for a Dream copied Trainspotting because they both feature a group of characters and drugs, or if the comparison is entirely justified.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: jenkins on May 08, 2014, 04:20:04 PM
short cuts thread:
http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=789
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: SailorOfTheSeas on May 08, 2014, 04:31:24 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Mel on May 09, 2014, 03:20:59 AM
There is no question that Altman has been and is huge inspiration to PTA. In that regard comparing any work of Altman to Anderson doesn't seem artificial to me.

"Magnolia" was the first film of PTA I have seen. Since then I re-watched it again somewhere between "CMBB" and "Master", so my memories aren't fresh. Maybe it is time to revisit it?

Anyway "Magnolia" feels much formal to me than "Short Cuts". Opening of "Magnolia" is good example of that. It set ups mood and themes in the beginning of the film, in your face way. On the other hand "Short Cuts" are more subliminal (probably same goes for other Altman). There is voyeuristic feel to it - we got glimpses at lives of characters, often without much explanation to their behavior, film is resolved without conclusion.

Compared to that PTA is much more attached to characters, he cares a lot more for them. Cop character is good example of that - in both films they are stupid, but in case of PTA there is true sense of calling and that makes him much more likable.

Themes are also more visible in "Magnolia", maybe even to the point of being sometimes repetitive. In case of "Short Cuts" it is easier to point out themes after seeing the film than in the middle of watching.

Not sure if this is helpful at all, since I compared those films in very abstract way.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: modage on August 06, 2014, 10:20:43 AM
Must-read piece on Tom Cruise in MAGNOLIA with quotes from PTA & Cruise from Amy Nicholson's new book on Cruise...

http://grantland.com/features/tom-cruise-magnolia-amy-nicholson/
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 06, 2014, 04:59:13 PM
Loved that. Beautifully written and researched. Basically everything about Tom Cruise & Magnolia that had been missing.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: ©brad on August 06, 2014, 07:24:55 PM
Great stuff. I wish Cruise would take a break from saving the world and do another Magnolia or something small and character driven.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: polkablues on August 07, 2014, 07:20:48 PM
Not to be that guy, but I assumed everyone knew that already.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 07, 2014, 08:11:04 PM
I had no idea, personally. I actually thought Reelist was joking at first, until I recognized the resemblance, then a few seconds later, the actual sincerity in Reelist's post.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Fuzzy Dunlop on August 08, 2014, 05:48:55 PM
Its a great week to be a MagnoliaFan, between the Grantland excerpt and now this essay from The Dissolve:

http://thedissolve.com/features/encore/696-the-beautiful-imperfection-of-magnolia/ (http://thedissolve.com/features/encore/696-the-beautiful-imperfection-of-magnolia/)
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on August 09, 2014, 02:17:30 PM
Not to be that guy, but I assumed everyone knew that already.

haha yeah, you're totally "that guy"
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Fuzzy Dunlop on November 13, 2014, 05:54:15 PM
A nice little essay about Magnolia, by Britt Hayes over at Badass Digest.

http://badassdigest.com/2014/11/12/this-is-something-that-happens-the-loneliness-of-magnolia/ (http://badassdigest.com/2014/11/12/this-is-something-that-happens-the-loneliness-of-magnolia/)

It's a little strange that it's been 15 years and all these 'looking back' articles are trickling out. I've been watching this film for over half of my human life.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Fuzzy Dunlop on December 01, 2015, 07:05:34 PM
If you're anything like me, you've been waiting to see Julianne Moore scream her Magnolia drug store monologue into a real stranger's face for years. Today is our day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsfoKkBdVnI&feature=share
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 01, 2015, 07:37:22 PM
If you're anything like me, you've been waiting to see Julianne Moore scream her Magnolia drug store monologue into a real stranger's face for years. Today is our day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsfoKkBdVnI&feature=share

Jeremy Blackman [01|Dec 02:52 PM]:   Hahaha... confused bystander at 2:06 is priceless
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 16, 2016, 04:17:49 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZabiqlUEAAa-Qb.jpg)
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 08, 2016, 01:28:59 PM
The hosts of my favorite Game of Thrones podcast recently reviewed Magnolia:

http://baldmove.com/bald-movies/magnolia-1999-commissioned-podcast/

(You can also search for the podcast "Bald Movies.")

It's an hour and a half reaction to the movie from a fairly personal POV. I found it interesting to hear what a couple civilians thought of Magnolia, seeing it for the first time 16+ years later.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 12, 2017, 12:37:32 PM
The host of the podcast Read It And Weep (http://read-weep.com/) makes a sly reference to Magnolia at 5:28 in Episode 295 - Criminal Minds (http://read-weep.com/#!/episode.php/criminal-minds). He directly quotes a character from the movie, completely in context. I don't think the guests realized it was a Magnolia quote. But it definitely is, because he's talked about Magnolia several times in subsequent episodes.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Alexandro on February 26, 2017, 10:21:27 PM
is this the place to post about a pretty nice aimee mann/magnolia tribute in the fucking lego batman movie? made me chuckle. actually the whole movie is pretty funny. check it out.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: RegularKarate on March 01, 2017, 09:13:19 AM
I saw that movie and must have missed the Magnolia tribute while trying to keep up with all the subtle (and not so subtle) Batman in-jokes.
Where was the reference?
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Alexandro on March 01, 2017, 09:20:22 AM
I saw that movie and must have missed the Magnolia tribute while trying to keep up with all the subtle (and not so subtle) Batman in-jokes.
Where was the reference?

really? there's a whole sequence of batman dead set on working alone with a cover of "one" playing all through it, showing how lonely he and the other characters feel.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: RegularKarate on March 01, 2017, 09:46:15 AM
I guess I didn't see that as a Magnolia reference since they're playing the original Harry Nilsson version and "one is the loneliest number" just matches the moment. Now, if they had been playing "Wise up"...
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Alexandro on March 01, 2017, 01:30:36 PM
that film is so crammed with all sorts of crazy references I wouldn't think it was a stretch.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Shughes on March 04, 2017, 08:21:44 AM
This is a great article:

https://cinephiliabeyond.org/magnolia-paul-thomas-andersons-absorbing-mosaic-compassion-humanity-importance-forgiveness/ (https://cinephiliabeyond.org/magnolia-paul-thomas-andersons-absorbing-mosaic-compassion-humanity-importance-forgiveness/)

Probably not news to anyone here, but nice to have the screenplay, those interviews, and some great production stills all in one place.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Sleepless on October 25, 2017, 08:55:29 AM
Has anyone heard of or seen this movie? It's currently on Mubi, they say: A murder mystery that doubles as a drama about the interconnected lives of strangers, this Australian import—which won numerous awards in its homeland—was a critical success, earning comparisons to Paul Thomas Anderson’s Magnolia. The trailer is definitely trying to make the most of that comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mUqtPuuRsU

Btw, if you want to check it out, use this link to get a free month on Mubi (https://mubi.com/t/web/global/14cz5r7) (I'll get a free month too).
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: wilder on October 25, 2017, 11:37:57 AM
I saw it upon its DVD release for the very reason that it was lumped together with Magnolia on many film lists at the time. Sorry to say I remember almost nothing about it other than it wasn’t for me, but I seem to have trouble connecting to Australian films on the whole. It’s like they’re operating on an entirely different wavelength. There’s also the possibility that I was just too young.
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Sleepless on October 25, 2017, 12:36:53 PM
I haven't watched it yet, but I will. The trailer doesn't look great. Haven't watched a ton of Australian cinema, but I still love The Dish (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwVsZumdab8).
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: wilder on October 25, 2017, 02:24:44 PM
Ah, The Dish. I always heard good things. Let us know what you think of Lantana. I was just looking up Ray Lawrence's other movies - he also made Jindabyne (2006) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382765/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_1) starring Laura Linney and Gabriel Byrne, based on that same Raymond Carver short story Short Cuts was partially adapted from with the three fishermen discovering the dead girl's body in the creek (I never got around to seeing it). And his first movie Bliss (1985) certainly looks worth watching. The guy's made only three films in just over 30 years of his career. I always wonder what directors who have sporadic projects like that do with the rest of their lives...

(https://i.imgur.com/41Ufurw.jpg)

After a near-death experience, a man wonders if he actually did die and is now in Hell.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh4Fkt5F8Cc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMTEWDDlIOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcrekESgFQI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVSFYdELNZM
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: Sleepless on November 15, 2017, 08:40:06 AM
Let us know what you think of Lantana.

My thoughts. (http://www.davidtharwood.com/blog/lantana-lifes-a-bitch-but-just-get-on-with-it-mate/)

Also, I just found out it has it's own thread (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=2603). Best bits from there:

There are so many great moments in this film, one of which I really remember: Leon (LaPaglia) is running and he slams into another guy and explodes, yelling at him.  Both their faces are bloodied, the other man's nose possibly broken.  Leon sees the man has dropped a bag, and feeling bad, he runs after him and gets it and tries to smooth things over.  And the man (full grown, strong, goatee and everything) just breaks down and starts crying in Leon's arms.  And I haven't seen anything like that since Brando in Last Tango in Paris.  My jaw dropped open, it was so real, so powerful.  Later on, Leon meets John, the man whose wife he's having an affair with, unbeknownst to him.  They share drinks, and discuss the incident in the bathroom, wondering what it would take for someone to cry like that.  It gets even better when the scene was paralleled later on in the movie when Leon cries upon hearing a tape where his wife professes she still loves him (long story; see the film to understand it).

it really wasn't about a murder case. It's about love and marriage. Two Thumbs Way Up for me for "Lantana".

I was just fucking blown away.

Brilliant, absolutely BRILLIANT! It's an unrecognised gem that nobody should miss.Why?!?

It's still on Mubi for another week. If anyone wants a free month trial and thus give me a free month in return. (https://mubi.com/t/web/global/14cz5r7)
Title: Re: Magnolia discussion
Post by: wilberfan on November 27, 2017, 07:15:36 PM
I watched Lantana last week because of the mention in this thread.  I ultimately found it a little too one-noted.  It didn't really end-up anywhere (if that makes any sense).  I can see the comparison to Magnolia, but no where near as compelling for me.  I do agree about the jogging collision scene, though.