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Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Marty McSuperfly on April 17, 2003, 05:59:15 AM
Since Magnolia is the type of film people either love of hate, I'm intrigued to know what reactions you guys have got to it from friends, family etc. I got the usual "It was OK until the part when they all sang and it started raining frogs. What was THAT all about??!" (Cue me slapping hand to my forehead).

I honestly spent three hours in the pub one Christmas Day arguing with my reasonably smart mate about why Magnolia was a better film than Speed 2 (which he also hated, but prefered to Magnolia)

For example (from Amazon one-star reviews) "Let me just say this movie was completely engaging, interesting and thought provoking, right up until it started raining frogs. I thought and thought for some connection or metaphor that the frogs could represent. Did I miss something? What so brilliant about raining frogs?"

Or: "I'm still trying to figure out what the story was, not what it was about (which is nothing), but what it was. Why should I expend all my energy to figure this out?  No disrespect to those who really liked this movie, but are you sure you're not just trying to be weird?"

Or this cracker: " Tom Cruise was the worst. He did a great job acting but his character was so disgusting that I felt embarrassed just to be watching it. This was one of the worst movies I have EVER seen in my life. The movie was so stupid that I began laughing at the stupidity. Right around the scene where all the characters are singing together is where I came the very close to pushing the "stop" button on my remote control. "

Why do some folk hate this move so much?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Redlum on April 17, 2003, 06:16:36 AM
Dont some people hate what they dont understand? Or what they dont want to understand.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: MrBurgerKing on April 17, 2003, 06:20:30 AM
Perhaps in some cases because Kevin Smith doesn't like it, fans of Mr. Smith will not bring themselves to like that movie. They don't do it on purpose, but subconsciously. They rent the movie in some cases wanting to hate it.

As for commoners disliking the film, these are the people who go and buy Big Macs at McDonalds everyday (McDonalds, there's a horrible store.. At least at Burger King they let you choose what you want on it, at McDonalds they premake all their burgers in the morning and freeze them, nothing is ever fresh, it's disgusting).  They don't like films told in a unique or different fashion, and they don't like out of the ordinary. How can I make such a broad generalization about people? It's easy, just look at McDonalds' sign."Over 99 billion foods sold per day" (took some poetic license there). I'm not saying that all people who like McDonalds hate Magnolia, don't get me wrong, I'm saying that all people who hate Magnolia eat at McDonalds.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Jon on April 17, 2003, 06:35:33 AM
Maybe it's just not some people's cup of tea.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: phil marlowe on April 17, 2003, 07:17:12 AM
burger king? i love you.

can i kiss you?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Sigur Rós on April 17, 2003, 07:56:56 AM
Quote from: MrBurgerKing
I'm saying that all people who hate Magnolia eat at McDonalds.


Well put! I'm a vegetarian.....but I do hate the french-fries at McDonald's. I guess that makes me a semi-magnolia-lover.......I do like the twister-fries at Burger King. So I'm a bit confused. Where does all this put me, MrBurgerKing...I need some of your burgerphilosophy to answer my questions.

To sum it all up:

-I'm a Vegetarian
-I don't like the french-fries and the Filet'O'Fish at McDonald's
-I Like the twister-fries at Burgerking and the fact that they have a vege-burger.

Now, my question to you MrBurgerKing is:

Is it possible to tell if I like Magnolia or not, on the basis of these informations i've given you?  :?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on April 17, 2003, 08:53:52 AM
What the fuck are we talking about here? Mr. BurgerKing, I think it's a tragedy that you reduce people's film sophistication to what kind of food they eat.

Sorry, but I don't think burger or unburger has anything to do with it.

People who enjoy engaging stories and characters with depth gobble up P.T. Anderson films.  People who like cardboard stories and equally flat characters like those 'other' films.

And that's all there is to it, my man.  :-D
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Sigur Rós on April 17, 2003, 08:59:17 AM
Quote from: punchdrunk23
What the fuck are we talking about here? Mr. BurgerKing, I think it's a tragedy that you reduce people's film sophistication to what kind of food they eat.

Sorry, but I don't think burger or unburger has anything to do with it.

People who enjoy engaging stories and characters with depth gobble up P.T. Anderson films.  People who like cardboard stories and equally flat characters like those 'other' films.

And that's all there is to it, my man.  :-D


I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say.....
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: phil marlowe on April 17, 2003, 09:27:08 AM
sigur, thats a nastyass ugly avatar. you have.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Sigur Rós on April 17, 2003, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: Phil Marlowe
sigur, thats a nastyass ugly avatar. you have.


Yeah, it aint suppose to be a Picasso. Get tha' message....?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Cecil on April 17, 2003, 09:41:02 AM
some people just dont like it. and think its way too long. and theyd post similar things:

"why do some people love magnolia so much? probably because its long and 'symbolic' (frogs?) and theyre all snobs to they want to appear smart by saying they love it"
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: fulty on April 17, 2003, 09:43:47 AM
Quote from: Sigur Rós
Quote from: MrBurgerKing
I'm saying that all people who hate Magnolia eat at McDonalds.

-I don't like the french-fries and the Filet'O'Fish at McDonald's


This, please, cannot be....

You have nailed my favorite meal.
The window girl types it in before I even get to the drive thru.

My favorite favorite movie is Magnolia.
Most people, including myself, did not understand it on the first viewing.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: phil marlowe on April 17, 2003, 09:50:57 AM
a nasty man indeed you are if you buy your fish tru a drive thru. that is sick.

by the way, so is the filet'o'fish.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: neatahwanta on April 17, 2003, 10:19:43 AM
I loved it, but....people it hate it because......

it was too long
the story was not tight
the frogs

I think that if Paul would have removed a few *lives*, it would have been easier for the general public to digest.  Actually, that's what he did w/ P-DL, but it was too weird for the general public, and too classy for the average Sandler fan.

IMHO, I could be wrong.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: SoNowThen on April 17, 2003, 12:53:01 PM
A film school teacher (who's actually worked a real job in the industry, and who had a fairly decent taste in films) thought that Magnolia was too gimmicky (frogs, et al). Some people can't see through the shock value to the brilliance underneath. It's a shame.

But I have a bit of a theory about the "common moviegoer" not liking Magnolia. Most films that seem to do well always push a message that says "do what you like, follow your heart no matter who it affects, and good things will happen". I personally hate shit like this. Magnolia seemed to say that "we all do bad things, we have to look back and realize this, and try to be more responsible in the future". This is all summed up in Rose's line "you should know better". The common filmgoer doesn't like to feel guilty at the end of a movie, and hates the idea that he is responsible to try and fix his own stupid actions. So, they end up "not getting the point" of Magnolia, and they tell us it's a stupid movie, because it doesn't excuse them from life like most popcorn movies do.

'course that's just my opinion... I could be wrong.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on April 17, 2003, 12:59:01 PM
its a film that was not made for everyone to like, in fact tons and tons of people who say they love the film, have no fucking clue as to why it is great, they just like it because its not mainstream.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: neatahwanta on April 17, 2003, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
But I have a bit of a theory about the "common moviegoer" not liking Magnolia. Most films that seem to do well always push a message that says "do what you like, follow your heart no matter who it affects, and good things will happen". I personally hate shit like this. Magnolia seemed to say that "we all do bad things, we have to look back and realize this, and try to be more responsible in the future". This is all summed up in Rose's line "you should know better". The common filmgoer doesn't like to feel guilty at the end of a movie, and hates the idea that he is responsible to try and fix his own stupid actions. So, they end up "not getting the point" of Magnolia, and they tell us it's a stupid movie, because it doesn't excuse them from life like most popcorn movies do.


Yup.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Ernie on April 17, 2003, 03:37:00 PM
Yeah, I definitely agree with SoNowThen...most people just like what they're used to in films. Magnolia's message was too honest and new for a lot of them.

I fucking hate the whole "do what you like...keep going...things will work out" philosophy too. Things don't always work out no matter how hard you try. I know that sounds mega fucking cynical but it's true. And no this is not coming from a bitter old washed up infomercial-maker that never made it in film...I haven't even graduated high school yet...and I'm not bitter, I'm pretty optimistic...I just refuse to believe that how hard you try to achieve something ALWAYS has an affect on whether or not you achieve it. Sure, it USUALLY does...but not ALWAYS. Sometimes you will be denied by no fault of your own...not for the lack of trying...just because that's what the fuck happened. It's called bad luck.

I don't know if I'm right or not...whatever.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Victor on April 17, 2003, 04:31:18 PM
i have a friend who ive always told to 'see magnolia, its my favorite movie'. so last week he did, and now he says, 'i stopped paying attention after the first twenty minutes, the guy was fucking the girl on the couch, and that was cool, but then it was just stupid. tom cruise was a sex guru, that guy was a washed up game show kid, and just, there was no story, it was so stupid. i couldnt even watch the rest of it, with the frogs or whatever that i heard was cool, but i couldnt take it. kevin smith was right, this movie sucks.' and he's told me this every time hes seen me in the last three days. at first i argued my points a bit, but its utterly useless, now i just shrug. but the thing is though: if magnolia truly did suck, it wouldn't have made that much of an impression with him where now he has to go out of his way, break normal conversational flow just to say it did. cause he's not really the type to bust my balls, but he is over this. magnolia is truly one way or the other, theres no middle ground, its either a pure three hour cinematic orgasm, or the worst diarreha youve ever had, so much so that you have to kill yourself before its over. but fuck that shit that we're all pretentios snobs for liking it. if anyone here is a pretentious snob, odds are youre liking magnolia because a lot of people hate it. thankfully most of you are not that, and can see past all that hype and other bullshit and respect it for the cinematic masterpiece is truly is.

i just dont get how anyone can watch melora in that last shot and not get a moviegasm.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Duck Sauce on April 17, 2003, 05:18:03 PM
I tried to get my friends to watch Magnolia and they do and they either end up walking out half way, playing with their cell phone or let it finish and then say "that movie was sick!" just because I had raved about it.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Jon on April 17, 2003, 06:18:53 PM
My one friend who liked Fight Club liked Magnolia a lot. He thought it was brilliant. He likes Fight Club more, though.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: EL__SCORCHO on April 17, 2003, 06:22:05 PM
I think it's a huge compliment to Paul that a lot of people hate magnolia. Indifference is the enemy to any artform, and the fact that people hate it and not simply dislike it, means they reacted strongly to the movie.

The worst movies are the ones people kind of like/dislike on the first viewing and then forget about a week or 2 later. I think whenever you have a movie that polarizes audiences so much, it's a success no matter what.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Sleuth on April 17, 2003, 06:26:23 PM
Nicely said, wise one
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: fulty on April 17, 2003, 08:28:03 PM
Quote from: MrBurgerKing
I don't understand what you're saying. Care to make an analogy so I can better understand?

Okay.
Say you're working at McDonald's.
You learn how to make a Big Mac.
You make a bunch of them exactly the way you are taught.
You sell them to everybody, and things are fine.
One day, you make one for yourself at lunch break.
You eat it.
Yuk.
The next day you make it with 3 patties and extra sauce..!!
Yum..!!
So you start making all of them this way, for all the customers.


Now, 2 things could happen...

Some customers give you compliments and ask for you to make the special Big Mac.  Soon, a big-wig discovers you and thinks you are great and gives you your own franchise and you become rich and famous.

Or, the manager finds out, and you are fired on the spot.


Some things you control, some things are chance.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: oakmanc234 on April 17, 2003, 10:15:59 PM
A friend said she didn't like it because she felt it was 'such a miserable movie' about miserable characters, with the long pay-off at the end of three hours being raining frogs. She said she doesn't know how I could watch it over and over and was amazed by how a guy like me (who owns many an action flick) could like it so much????????
I just said that watching it brings me joy, that I enjoy watching it.

I lent it to a mate a while ago because he wanted to see a PTA flick before watching 'PDL' (to see what kind of film Sandler was making a departure too). He got to the bit where Frank's lie is revealed, saw me the next day and asked 'Man, does it get any better?'. He saw the rest of the film a few days later and said it was a waste of time.

I guess its just one of those films that you either go along for the ride or just get impatient with.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Cecil on April 17, 2003, 10:31:48 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
But I have a bit of a theory about the "common moviegoer" not liking Magnolia. Most films that seem to do well always push a message that says "do what you like, follow your heart no matter who it affects, and good things will happen". I personally hate shit like this. Magnolia seemed to say that "we all do bad things, we have to look back and realize this, and try to be more responsible in the future". This is all summed up in Rose's line "you should know better". The common filmgoer doesn't like to feel guilty at the end of a movie, and hates the idea that he is responsible to try and fix his own stupid actions. So, they end up "not getting the point" of Magnolia, and they tell us it's a stupid movie, because it doesn't excuse them from life like most popcorn movies do.

'course that's just my opinion... I could be wrong.


read this thread http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=689&start=0
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Victor on April 17, 2003, 10:49:51 PM
so i was at this party around the time of pdl and was real drunk and got in this heated argument with a guy whose claim to fame was that his father used to work on a few woody allen films. i was like, motherfuckers we all gotta go to union square and see punch drunk lovce, and most of the people were like yeah fuck yeah i wanna see that shit. but this guy was like pta fuckin sucks, magnolias a piece of shit. so i, drunk, feling like a good fight, got in it with him. it was a truly excellent debate, in that, i won, no doubt about it. this guy was proven without a doubt tto be a jackass and a moron. he wouldnt let me finish a sentence and after i while i even had to break out the dana carvy-ross perot impression "can i finish can i finish can i finish?" anyway ive been meaning to tell you guys about this for a long time, but ive always forgotten but now that im nbice and drunk i fel like it again. but it was cool we argued about the ending, as well as the ending to fight club (which fucking kicked) and the ending to wonder boys(which he loved but i thought was weak, even though i like the reast of the movie). in the end i got the respect of everyone in the party and he wound up crying in the corner (just kidding i bought him a beer and it was all cool) but till this day my friends say he still complains about what a jackass and an idiot i am, and ive hardly even thought about him since until now, so i guess pta makes an impact, no matter what kind of an impact it is, its impossible to ignore, and either you can pout your bitch ass lungs out about it or you can love him. and i like loving him, it makes sense for me, in this moment, to emulate and love that man. PTAS THE MAN MOTHERFUCKERS THE REST OF YOU PLAYER HATERS CAN BACK THE FUCK OUTTA HERE TRYIN TO PLAY LIKE YOU WOULDNT PAY TWENTY BUCKS TO SUCK THAT MOTHERFUCKERS DICK. anyway what
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Jon on April 17, 2003, 11:02:08 PM
...one of the best posts ever.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: AK on April 17, 2003, 11:05:49 PM
First of all, it's pretty easy to accept all "this hate" for some reasons....

Everybody talked (and still does) about it  so everybody thinks they need to take a side...my friend used to ask before any film converstion: "Are you a magnolia lover or hater?"

the film IS LONG....some peolple are not able to watch cancer and disgrace for three hours...whatever, I do!

And most of all:Peolpe were not expecting what happened because it seemed a normal movie. When you watch a Lynch movie , well, you are aware strange things can happen...but then, you start to see magnolia...and are normal charaters facing problems anyone may deal and THEN happens the frogs, the sing scene....

I believe people get mad and felt cheated. Like if you go watch a stupid teen comedy and sees a sad drama in the middle...

At least that's what my brother ,  father (who is a filmmaker and don't need to say: I hate because I didn't get it) and people from film school said...and, well, i respect.

for the stupid reasons like :"Kevin Smith was right". Well,  I love PTA , he said bad things about fight club. Should I start hating it because his opinion?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: fulty on April 17, 2003, 11:42:25 PM
Quote from: MrBurgerKing
not you are logic is flawed.

Okay, I'll try again.
So you're working at Jack-in-the-Box.
And you get an idea to put 2 tacos for under a buck.
And then a meteor comes through the roof and smashes everything to smithereens.
There, that makes more sense.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 18, 2003, 09:06:15 AM
Lester, I will not allow you to delete that post...
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Rudie Obias on April 18, 2003, 09:22:42 AM
i can honest say when i first saw MAGNOLIA i absolutely hated it.  i rented it when it first came out on video and i just thought it was the most pretentious, boring film i have ever saw.  i thought i understood it which made me hate it even more.  i'd say things like "i liked it but then the rain of frogs ruined it for me."  but then i revisited it last summer, i borrowed it from the library on dvd.  and i was completely blown away by it.  i watched 4 times before i had to return it.  i think i've grown a lot in understanding film since 1999 to 2002.  i became obsessed with paul thomas anderson.  and now MAGNOLIA is my favorite film of all time.  a complete 180 from when i first saw it.  go figure!
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Rudie Obias on April 18, 2003, 09:35:35 AM
Quote from: missapple

Well,  I love PTA , he said bad things about fight club. Should I start hating it because his opinion?


what did PTA say about FIGHT CLUB?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 18, 2003, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: rudieob
what did PTA say about FIGHT CLUB?


he said cancer jokes =  :yabbse-angry:
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Pedro on April 18, 2003, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: rudieob
what did PTA say about FIGHT CLUB?


he said cancer jokes =  :yabbse-angry:

mogwai also said that... :(
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: MacGuffin on April 18, 2003, 10:41:05 AM
The first rule of Fight Club is: You don't talk about Fight Club.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Newtron on April 18, 2003, 12:28:52 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
The first rule of Fight Club is: You don't talk about Fight Club.

Dude, you are so talking about Fight Club right now.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on April 18, 2003, 01:39:56 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: rudieob
what did PTA say about FIGHT CLUB?


he said cancer jokes =  :yabbse-angry:


uhh well he actually wished cancer on david fincher , but ya cant get mad at him for it.  i do that kinda stuff all the time, when people piss me off i curse them all to death
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: polkablues on April 18, 2003, 03:09:17 PM
I think PTA was just reacting to his personal experiences with cancer, and how he felt like "Fight Club" was making light of the subject.  But hey, he didn't like "Go" either, so whatever.

As for "Magnolia", I just think it's cool that anytime you meet someone else who loves the film, there's this instant connection, like you just found out you're both members of a secret club.  

Like... the masons... hmm...... apostropheS, where have you gone?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: sickfins on April 18, 2003, 03:16:07 PM
remember how the creator despised 's

i am mostly confident his ideas were wrong but well thought out and perhaps less than concise

its gitting hird ti bi simiini bit it ill wirks iit; it diisn't mittir mich ti mi
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: polkablues on April 18, 2003, 03:37:08 PM
He didn't have to be right to be brilliant.


By the by, if anyone here with pieces of the old board happens to have the Masonic Manifesto thread, could you do me a massive favor and PM it to me?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on April 18, 2003, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: polkablues
I think PTA was just reacting to his personal experiences with cancer, and how he felt like "Fight Club" was making light of the subject.  But hey, he didn't like "Go" either, so whatever.

?


pta also wished that the guy who made go a have bad case of Diarrhea , He said it in his interview with joggers world daily. then he said while were at it give larry kasden a case of crabs. I think he was pissed that day .
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: SoNowThen on April 18, 2003, 09:24:29 PM
PTA said that? Sweet!! I hate those two filmmakers too! Isn't that supposed to be the point of interviewing a great director? He pisses on everyone he thinks is sub-par. David Gordon Green ragged on Kevin Smith & David Mamet. I laughed my ass off.

....

To clarify, though, I disagree with PTA about Fight Club. It's a kick ass movie, and the cancer stuff makes me howl every time. You gotta be able to laugh at that shit occasionally. And as to my Doug Liman hating, I exempt Swingers from this, because Favreau wrote it, and it's a wonderful little film. But Go did eat huge pieces of shit. I say.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 19, 2003, 12:22:21 AM
David Gordon Green attacked Mamet? What did he say exactly about him? This seems interesting because even though I like Mamet, I have a lot of faults with the guy trying to be a film director and then trying to teach film off arguments from the 1930s. Fine for 1930s, but very unimaginative now.

~rougerum
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: thedog on April 19, 2003, 01:05:16 AM
Quote from: polkablues
I think PTA was just reacting to his personal experiences with cancer, and how he felt like "Fight Club" was making light of the subject.  But hey, he didn't like "Go" either, so whatever.

?


Hi, I'm kind of new here. I come here at least once every few days to catch up on PT Anderson, Wes Anderson, David Fincher, and whoever else you got listed. I've never actually felt the need to post any messages but after I saw this I just had to comment.

I have loads of respect for Paul Thomas Anderson. He's definitely my favorite "newish" director, and I love everything he's done.

I'm not absolutely sure if the fact that Fight Club makes light of cancer was PT Anderson's exact reason for not liking it. But if it was, I would like to say that that is the most hypocritical and BS thing I have ever heard.

From a guy who makes a movie with a scene in it that has an innocent employee of a donut shop get shot in the back of the head (along with two other people), and the only survivor decides to take the bag of money rather than call the police? From a guy who makes a movie based around the porn industry but cuts it off right before AIDS comes into view? From a guy who makes a character in his film who's job is to train other men to treat women as sex objects? Is David Fincher really more evil than PT Anderson just because Fincher made a few jokes about some guys who have cancer? Especially since Paul said he only saw the first 30 minutes of Fight Club, he missed the whole point of the movie.

I still love PT Anderson, and he's still one of my favorites, but the fact that he doesn't like Fight Club even know he only saw 30 minutes of it and he wished that Fincher would get testicular cancer "for all of his jokes about it", it definitely lowers my respect for him about a notch.

But anyway, now to defend PT Anderson a little bit...

I loved Magnolia. And I really think the reason a lot of people don't like it is...
1. It's too long.
2. Frogs.
3. Kevin Smith didn't like it.

I disagree with all of these reasons. With number 1, for me, some movies can't be long enough. I would be more than happy to have the Worm subplot in the film. I would even still love it if it were four or more hours long. Hitchcock said movies should only be as long as the human blatter can hold (or something like that), and although I could agree with him, as long as I'm sitting in the theater or at home, there's no stopping me. As long as the movie's actual scenes aren't too long and the film has a nice sense of pacing, you can give me it in six hours. For real, I really don't care about a movie's running time and it surprises me that a lot of people want movies to depart from Hollywood formulas but at the same time want movies to keep getting shorter. That just doesn't make much sense to me.

With number 2, I really don't have to explain why this is wrong to you fine folks. The main point of the movie is that shit happens so you just have to live with it. Sure the frog thing "was a little strange", but in 20 years time people are going to be praising it. That is, if full length movies aren't 30 minutes long by that point.

It is my opinion that some people are ALWAYS going to rag on films that have new ideas in them. I think most people will agree that NOTHING compares to the frog scene in Magnolia. So as long as they don't have falling frogs in movies like Godfather or Casablanca, people are always going to afraid of new ideas. A lot of people hated Citizen Kane when it first came out. A lot of people hated Vertigo when it first came out. This kind of shit always happens.

With number 3, the truth is I really like Kevin Smith. He's a great writer and he really knows how to direct his own material. As a director he REALLY isn't anything special. Kevin Smith as a writer is great but as a director he's not at all even in the same league as PT Anderson. Plus Kevin Smith is more a comedic writer anyway, so I won't even compare PTA's writing to KS's writing. But I remember Kevin Smith saying, after he got emails from hundreds of PTA fans who criticized his opinion on Magnolia, that "if these are hardcore fans then I don't want any." Well the fact that some people don't like Magnolia just because Kevin Smith didn't like it just shows that Kevin Smith's fans are far worse than PT Anderson's fans. But the biggest question is why do people have to take sides? Who cares what anyones says, I like them both.

But this is all my opinion by the way. Thanks for reading.

-Dog
p.s. sorry for some grammar problems in this message. I have only learned english about five or six years ago.
p.p.s. I've actually been speaking english all my life but I say I learned it recently so it looks like i can justify my grammar problems.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: thedog on April 19, 2003, 01:46:43 AM
Quote from: mogwai
Magnolia is one of shortest movies... tsss... :roll: try watching this movie, peeps!

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0284020


the funniest part of that page:

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Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Newtron on April 19, 2003, 02:59:30 AM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jones
pta also wished that the guy who made go a have bad case of Diarrhea , He said it in his interview with joggers world daily. then he said while were at it give larry kasden a case of crabs. I think he was pissed that day .

Don't ever change.  :kiss:
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Tiff on April 19, 2003, 05:12:18 AM
Quote from: mogwai
Magnolia is one of shortest movies... tsss... :roll: try watching this movie, peeps!

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0284020


you sat through that 85 hour movie? is that the longest movie ever? wats it like? ne good?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Tiff on April 19, 2003, 05:56:09 AM
Quote from: mogwai
Quote from: Tiff
Quote from: mogwai
Magnolia is one of shortest movies... tsss... :roll: try watching this movie, peeps!

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0284020


you sat through that 85 hour movie? is that the longest movie ever? wats it like? ne good?

Yes, I did actually, I also have it on DVD, it's a limited edition thing, 20 discs box set.


u bought it?! how is it meant to cure insomnia if u have to constantly get up to change the dvd?...oh and is it ne good?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Sigur Rós on April 19, 2003, 07:00:37 AM
Quote from: mogwai
Quote from: Tiff
u bought it?! how is it meant to cure insomnia if u have to constantly get up to change the dvd?...oh and is it ne good?

That's the catch, if you're still up and can't sleep, you will just have to continue watching the damn flick. Oh, it's so good.


You are jokin'...rite mogwai??? Please tell me you are jokin'!
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Pedro on April 19, 2003, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: mogwai
Quote from: Tiff
Quote from: mogwai
Magnolia is one of shortest movies... tsss... :roll: try watching this movie, peeps!

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0284020


you sat through that 85 hour movie? is that the longest movie ever? wats it like? ne good?

Yes, I did actually, I also have it on DVD, it's a limited edition thing, 20 discs box set.

I want pictures.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: MacGuffin on April 19, 2003, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: mogwai
Quote from: Tiff
Quote from: mogwai
Magnolia is one of shortest movies... tsss... :roll: try watching this movie, peeps!

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0284020


you sat through that 85 hour movie? is that the longest movie ever? wats it like? ne good?

Yes, I did actually, I also have it on DVD, it's a limited edition thing, 20 discs box set.


How's the commentary track?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Sleuth on April 19, 2003, 12:28:07 PM
Where can I find it?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: MacGuffin on April 19, 2003, 02:41:32 PM
Quote from: mogwai
There's also deleted scenes


Wow, 85 hour movie and there was stuff left out?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: cine on April 19, 2003, 03:33:03 PM
I'm not addressing the Administrators since I know they know better, but I hope the rest of you are aware that "The Cure for Insomnia" was never really released on DVD.. you guys have to be kidding if you say you believe it.

note: I know this because I called my local pharmacist about it --
LP: How may I help you?
Me: Hi, I was told you carry the Cure for Insomnia...
LP: What?
Me: The Cure for Insomnia.. do you have it?

and then she hung up. Case closed.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Tiff on April 20, 2003, 05:56:35 AM
i want one, god dammit!! can u order it right off the criterion website? ...what is the criterion website?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 20, 2003, 10:34:56 AM
www.criterionco.com but you can't order it right off their website. it is only distrubuted through retailers, and considering this title is far from going out of print right now, is readily available at just about all on the net. ex: www.amazon.com

~rougerum
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 20, 2003, 11:25:16 AM
Quote from: mogwai
Cinephile, the movie is also available at Criterion:

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6305389519.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)


this film isn't THE CURE FOR INSOMNIA, its the swedish film INSOMNIA that christopher nolan remade with pacino and williams. i own it -- your confused ,its not 85 hrs long -- dont buy it.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Dirk on April 20, 2003, 11:32:39 AM
mogwai be fuckin' with you
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: MacGuffin on April 20, 2003, 11:52:22 AM
In mog We Trust
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Sigur Rós on April 20, 2003, 12:36:01 PM
Quote from: Sigur Rós
Quote from: mogwai
Quote from: Tiff
u bought it?! how is it meant to cure insomnia if u have to constantly get up to change the dvd?...oh and is it ne good?

That's the catch, if you're still up and can't sleep, you will just have to continue watching the damn flick. Oh, it's so good.


You are jokin'...rite mogwai??? Please tell me you are jokin'!


He was jokin'!  :-D
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: MacGuffin on April 20, 2003, 01:05:12 PM
Quote from: mogwai
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0284020


All you guys had to do was look to the right of the IMDB page and see that it wasn't available on DVD.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Dirk on April 20, 2003, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
All you guys had to do was look to the right of the IMDB page and see that it wasn't available on DVD.


It's actually the left side  :roll:
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Dirk on April 20, 2003, 01:49:50 PM
:oops:
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: MacGuffin on April 20, 2003, 02:06:48 PM
Quote from: Dirk should have
(http://www.d-oh.de/pagegrafiken/logo_01.gif)
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: EL__SCORCHO on April 20, 2003, 05:45:16 PM
now here's a guy definately hated magnolia:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1093531/reviews.php?critic=columns&sortby=default&page=4&rid=124314
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 20, 2003, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: EL__SCORCHO
now here's a guy definately hated magnolia:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1093531/reviews.php?critic=columns&sortby=default&page=4&rid=124314


thats a pretty harsh review. im fine with someone disliking something, but if you're going to rip a film a new asshole, back it up with a valid reason. whoever wrote that review never gives justifiaction for his beligerantly negative opinion of the film. i feel a reviewer should be responisble enough to have OPINION backed by REASON -- only in a perfect world.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Pedro on April 20, 2003, 06:09:53 PM
Quote from: EL__SCORCHO
now here's a guy definately hated magnolia:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1093531/reviews.php?critic=columns&sortby=default&page=4&rid=124314
.
I don't really think I've ever agreed with one of his reviews before.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Ernie on April 21, 2003, 06:59:03 PM
Quote from: Pedro the Wombat
Quote from: EL__SCORCHO
now here's a guy definately hated magnolia:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1093531/reviews.php?critic=columns&sortby=default&page=4&rid=124314
.
I don't really think I've ever agreed with one of his reviews before.


Yeah, I fucking hate that guy...he gave All the Real Girls a 0 too.

Forgot to put a 1 in front of it I guess. He can do whatever...his little gimmick started off uncool. I never liked him. The whole cynical critic idea sounds like a funny little idea but he's just not funny. He tends to drift into offensive a lot actually...

"Anderson's follow up to the greatly entertaining Boogie Nights is so mind-numbingly awful that, at more than twice the Witch's length it almost surpasses the disaster that dead director Stanley Kubrick left us. . ."

God, what a dick. Fine, he doesn't like Eyes Wide Shut...but a disaster? Fuck that and him...at least people will miss Stanley...
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 22, 2003, 09:32:11 AM
Bad review. He spoke only for the pleasure of people already convinced they hated the film. This review acts as their own relief center for being made happy again in some way. Nowhere in the review did he act as the critic and speak to the middle crowd of why this or why that for what he thinks. Funny, he mentions on how someone from the set warned it was a disaster but this critic felt he just had a bone to pick, so ignored it. Nothing in this review gives any indication his reasons for disliking it are not that either.

~rougerum
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Sigur Rós on April 22, 2003, 12:34:22 PM
I actually agree with this guy.....so cut my dick off first  :-D
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Sigur Rós on April 22, 2003, 12:35:31 PM
I'm just joking......please don't touch my dick
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: MacGuffin on April 22, 2003, 02:12:45 PM
Quote from: Sigur Rós
I'm just joking......please don't touch my dick[/size]


Doesn't look like there would be much to cut off anyway. :yabbse-undecided:
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: phil marlowe on April 22, 2003, 02:37:48 PM
mac, how come?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: MacGuffin on April 22, 2003, 02:49:43 PM
Quote from: Phil Marlowe
mac, how come?


If we cut it off, I don't know how he'll come...What am I a doctor?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: phil marlowe on April 22, 2003, 03:01:53 PM
the sigur ros penis was actually posted on these boards a couple of weeks ago. the penis was covered by a simple(but well made) italian panini(means; small bread) but sigur couldnt take the pressure, and has deleted every single footage of him on the net.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: MacGuffin on April 22, 2003, 03:03:59 PM
Quote from: Sigur Rós
I'm just joking......please don't touch my dick[/size]


Magnified it bigger since it was x-small.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: pipo on April 27, 2003, 10:32:23 AM
Quote from: redlum
Dont some people hate what they dont understand? Or what they dont want to understand.

I had the same experience and think that's the only "logical" explanation.
I just stopped having discussions with people didn't like it , just like it for me and myself, should be enough.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Crash on May 03, 2003, 09:37:59 PM
I have to admit that after i finished watching Magnolia i wanted to open my head and poke at my brain and ask it "Why did you not understand that? Why?". I hated it. And i told my friend Jonny and he just said i was an idiot farfel.  I hated it because i did not understand it. But unlike these idiots who reviewed it (on the rotten tomatoes site) I felt that there was a deeper meaning than just "let's see how weird i can make this movie by raining frogs!" the point wasn't that it rained frogs. the point was that something phenomenal was happening and nobody knew anything about it or how to stop it. and everyone was helpless. it could've been gravity pulling upwards instead of down or something like that.  and yeah pta does add some little bits just for humors sake. like all the 82's in the movie. like right before sydney barringer jumps there is a spray painted 82 on the little wall that he jumps from. and when the it shows the company dinner there is a sign and it says it starts at 8:20. and craig hansen's plane is number 82. and then there's the whole exodus 8:2 (which pta did not have planned out) but we won't get into that. And i agree that the gun falling from the sky was little too much. it was better in the script with dixon throwing the gun out the window. but the part that really blew my head off was when claudia's mom comes busting into her apartment and they embrace and the camera zooms into that little sign on a painting that says "... but it did happen." i threw me into a frenzy but i loved it cuz it that. anyway, the is need for more depth in this world and the knowledge to take lessons from the things around us.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Banky on November 12, 2003, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: MrBurgerKing
Perhaps in some cases because Kevin Smith doesn't like it, fans of Mr. Smith will not bring themselves to like that movie. They don't do it on purpose, but subconsciously. They rent the movie in some cases wanting to hate it.



thats not true, (it seems like i am one of the only KS fans)i love Magnolia, i dont give a fuck about what he dislikes or likes.  Im a big QT fan but did i give a fuck that he didnt like Matrix reloaded?nope
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: cowboykurtis on November 12, 2003, 01:36:17 PM
why is there suffering in the world
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Banky on November 12, 2003, 02:04:18 PM
im not sure i know what you mean?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Something Spanish on November 12, 2003, 05:56:58 PM
I think Mutinyco can assist us in explaining why people don't dig Magnolia. And after his explanation, we can unleash all our frustrations and anger on'em. C'mon, profanity and all. Who's in?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Sleuth on November 12, 2003, 06:41:38 PM
Wow, nobody even had to mention mutinyco for you to suck his balls this time
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: SoNowThen on February 18, 2004, 03:15:19 PM
so I was just on a Christian web board, and I'm arguing with this guy who's all for Kevin Smith bashing PTA and Magnolia.

Magnolia is "self-indulgent" and so on.

Ahh, times like these when I'm so very glad I've found a home here. I had forgotten the outside world, where they don't yet recognize the genuis of Magnolia.

So thanks to everyone. I really do love and appreciate this place.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: ckad79 on February 18, 2004, 03:52:35 PM
Who cares about Kevin Smith?  His movies have never been nominated for an Oscar, and they never will be.  "Clerks" was a great movie for what it was, a silly film but nothing outstanding.  I don't even know why Mr. Smith opens his mouth as if he knows great work?  He's sold out; resorted to making movies with Jennifer Lopez and minor roles in "Dare Devil" to make a quick buck.

I've lost all respect for him.  His films are fun, but he needs to make like a tree and leave... if he dare compares "Mallrats" to "Magnolia", or anything that PTA has made.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 18, 2004, 04:03:56 PM
Why does it have to be PTA or Kevin Smith? And how exactly does an Oscar nomination indicate how good a filmmaker is?

I despise Kevin Smith, though.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: ckad79 on February 18, 2004, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Why does it have to be PTA or Kevin Smith? And how exactly does an Oscar nomination indicate how good a filmmaker is?

I despise Kevin Smith, though.


I watch Kevin Smith's movies too... and don't hate him.  I watch a lot of silly/stupid movies for a kick.  And although, his films may contain some raw langauge, they are made for a very young audience... especially "Jake and Silent Bob Strike Back" with Seann William Scott and Shannon Elizabeth.  

I laughed, it's good stuff... but give me a break if we are going to compare him to PTA!  

An Oscar nod is not that important, but I honestly don't think a girl visiting her boyfriend at a convience store to talk about snowballing is up there with the drama in the resturant scene with Claudia and Jim.  

If Smith wants to talk fine, but he needs to try his luck at making a real film before he slams people who do such a fine job of making them like PTA has.

Maybe it's just me???
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 18, 2004, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: ckad79
but he needs to try his luck at making a real film

Remember when he was saying this was going to be his first really serious film?

http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=369&start=180

 :lol:
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: ckad79 on February 18, 2004, 06:18:22 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: ckad79
but he needs to try his luck at making a real film

Remember when he was saying this was going to be his first really serious film?

http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=369&start=180

 :lol:


He said it will be Ben's best work.  I just hope it's half as good as the "Body to Die for: The Aaron Henry Story, A". HAHA.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: BrainSushi on February 20, 2004, 03:23:57 PM
I'm not reading through all these posts, so I don't know if this has been touched on this thread. What really pisses me off are people who refuse to even WATCH the movie for the stupidest reason.

I remember raving to a girl about how great the movie is, and the next day she comes up to me: "Theren was a movie on TV last night with frogs falling from the sky... what was that?"

"Magnolia."

Now, because frogs just absolutely, positively gross her out, she refuses to ever watch the entire movie. She told people (to whom I'd raved about the movie to), who now also refuse to see it because frogs just gross them out.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: SoNowThen on February 20, 2004, 03:38:25 PM
Kinda like how I can't get people to take Boogie Nights seriously because porn grosses them out.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Slick Shoes on February 20, 2004, 04:52:09 PM
A friend of mine won't watch Hard Eight because he doesn't like Nevada.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: bonanzataz on February 20, 2004, 05:13:21 PM
remember when greg had that story about the woman who had a nervous breakdown when watching magnolia b/c she had a deadly fear of frogs?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Pedro on February 20, 2004, 06:23:06 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Kinda like how I can't get people to take Boogie Nights seriously because porn grosses them out.

the porn in boogie nights helped get a few friends to watch it with me.  by the end of it, one of the three dug the "art" aspect of the film, instead of just the graphic content...now he's a ptaphile like all of us

1 out of 3 ain't bad
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on February 20, 2004, 06:38:52 PM
man, that picture on Cigarettes & Coffee looks like PTA and Emily Watson are so gonna DO it. And it's been up there a long time. And they still haven't done it yet.
Well, that's alright.

My Dad's coworker didn't like it because it "has some guy who wants his father to die."
Yeah, some people didn't even wait 4 minutes for the "don't go away you fucking asshole" line. Plus, it would have fit in approrpriately for what they were doing right then. HA!!!
Close-minded Losers.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Mia Wallace on February 22, 2004, 05:28:19 PM
Some hate it because of its resemblance to Altmans work (particularly Short Cuts)

Some hate it because its shamelessly manipulative

Some hate it because its pretentious

Some hate it because the acting is so laughably over the top

Some hate it because they lack a long attention span

Some hate it because of the way PTA constantly rips off Scorseses style

and others hate it because it rains frogs.

I however do not.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: eward on February 22, 2004, 05:51:33 PM
good, then you will get along just fine here!   :)

welcome, by the way.
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: modage on February 22, 2004, 06:01:17 PM
Quote from: Mia Wallace
anything

a girl!  just act natural.  we have plenty of these.   yep *(whistles nonchalantly.)
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: MacGuffin on February 22, 2004, 06:15:35 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
Quote from: Mia Wallace
anything

a girl!  just act natural.  we have plenty of these.   yep *(whistles nonchalantly.)


We're all just gonna act like little Fonzies. And what's Fonzie like?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: modage on February 22, 2004, 06:20:12 PM
Cool?
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: MacGuffin on February 22, 2004, 06:22:48 PM
(http://www.home.aone.net.au/redfoot/standoff.jpg)

Correctamundo!
Title: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Pozer on February 23, 2004, 08:09:26 PM
You read the bible Mac?
Title: Re: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 13, 2015, 12:31:23 AM
I'm amazed how quickly Magnolia hate still gets my blood boiling. Just stumbled across this on The AV Club.

Bolded the key part for emphasis...


From: What artist can’t you get into, despite knowing that they’re great? (http://www.avclub.com/article/what-artist-cant-you-get-despite-knowing-theyre-gr-225935)

By Mike Vago

In 2007, cineastes everywhere were in a heated debate over which great American filmmaker(s) had delivered the bigger masterpiece: No Country For Old Men, or There Will Be Blood? For me, the choice was easy. I’ll go see anything the Coen brothers do as long as they’re making movies, but for the life of me, I can’t stand Paul Thomas Anderson. I did like Boogie Nights, but not as much as the critical consensus. It was a collection of scenes—some of them fantastic, mind you—but it never quite held together as a whole. And then there’s Magnolia. He opens the film with a meditation on stunning coincidences, to prime us for a film without a single coincidence. There’s no one to root for, as Anderson seems to hate all of his characters. Every single woman in the film is shrill and hysterical in every scene, as if he decided coked-up Julianne Moore from Boogie Nights was how all women act all the time. And the plague of frogs was just plain stupid. I did intend to give the director another chance, but then he cast Adam Sandler in his next movie, and he lost me for good.
Title: Re: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: polkablues on October 13, 2015, 02:01:58 AM
I can even accept that there are legitimate criticisms against the film, but those are not them.
Title: Re: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Drenk on October 13, 2015, 04:01:49 AM
"There’s no one to root for, as Anderson seems to hate all of his characters."

I'm filled with rage. It's almost an ideological war. Often, I read that about artists who, obviously —for me, at least—, seem to love their characters.
Title: Re: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: jenkins on October 13, 2015, 05:28:03 AM
I can even accept that there are legitimate criticisms against the film, but those are not them.

lol

oh they wanted the link. this whole enterprise is spish.

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But can you imagine sharing an office with Wes Anderson? He’d spend half the day sharpening the pencils on his desk so they lined up just so. I’m exhausted just thinking about it.

what the fuck are you doing to have fun in the goddamn office? person is being outta control.

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As much as I dearly love music made by sad androids,

is how much i dislike lame starts, maybe

Quote
I love everything about Beyoncé but I can’t get into her music.

first-world problem

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With every release I keep coming back, but with the diminishing returns of Cosmopolis and Maps To The Stars, I think I might sit the next one out.

this person was drunk because Maps to the Stars cements in my heart Bruce Wagner and the movie right before Cosmopolis, everyone knowing a batter has three strikes, right before that was a fucking movie where Steve Jobs played Carl Jung

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In 2007, cineastes everywhere were in a heated debate over which great American filmmaker(s) had delivered the bigger masterpiece: No Country For Old Men, or There Will Be Blood?

which data means literally nothing now and simply indicates extreme prejudice, you blew it

Quote
I’m usually someone that likes a distinctive singing voice, but I have a very hard time listening to Tom Waits.

rough day imo
Title: Re: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: modage on October 13, 2015, 09:31:15 AM
Wow, he does not deserve PTA movies.
Title: Re: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 13, 2015, 10:20:52 AM
Yea, I'm not a fan of Magnolia but there is excellence in a lot of the filmmaking. I can still watch the film and genuinely be impressed by a lot of things. Still, those criticisms are dumb. Should be an easy dismissal.
Title: Re: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 13, 2015, 10:34:03 AM
Mike Vago isn't a reviewer for The AV Club; it looks like (http://www.avclub.com/author/MikeVago/) he mostly posts news articles and semi-frivolous fun things. Also, I'm not sure he actually understood the assignment. It wasn't "talk about something you hate that most people love," it was this, which they even put in bold print at the beginning: "Are there any artists/bands/performers that you cannot connect with, despite knowing full well that they are great?" He should have read some examples first.
Title: Re: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: 03 on October 14, 2015, 02:07:12 AM
"He are dumb with scenes that has."
Title: Re: Why do some folk hate Magnolia so passionately?
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on October 21, 2015, 05:49:58 PM
I watched it for the first time in about a year a few days ago. It's one of those flicks that when it finally hits you, it hits you. It took a long goddamn while to forget that Tom Cruise was Frank TJ Mackey and just watch him as the character, but goddammit, it paid off. and i've been watching that flick for 15 years. So I kinda get where people are coming from, but also am aware that I overhyped it for myself as a young fan of BN.