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Title: Best Film
Post by: MacGuffin on March 06, 2010, 02:14:36 AM
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Best Film: DISTRICT 9

THE NOMINEES

District 9
Inglourious Basterds
A Serious Man
Up
Where the Wild Things Are
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Kal on March 06, 2010, 12:15:25 PM
really?
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: I Love a Magician on March 06, 2010, 12:19:36 PM
i'm assuming the votes got split up somehow
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Sleepless on March 06, 2010, 12:32:13 PM
This was my prediction, although it is not what I voted for. Quality film, but not a classic. Perfectly appropriate winner of the Xixaxies though, akin to Children Of Men winning back in 2007.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Gamblour. on March 06, 2010, 01:51:49 PM
I think this is great (and I'm pretty sure I voted for it!)
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: New Feeling on March 06, 2010, 02:41:09 PM
This was my prediction, although it is not what I voted for. Quality film, but not a classic. Perfectly appropriate winner of the Xixaxies though, akin to Children Of Men winning back in 2007.

in that they are both horribly overrated pseudo-serious sci-fi films that will be all but forgotten in 20 years?

definitely the worst of the nominees.  major xixax fail
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Stefen on March 06, 2010, 02:49:24 PM
Children of Men isn't overrated.

I thought for sure WTWTA would win (and it should have).
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Captain of Industry on March 06, 2010, 02:51:21 PM
Only fully serious films which will be remembered by all and for eternity deserve this award.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: john on March 06, 2010, 04:32:08 PM
I'm surprised by this as well. It was a completely competent film, and I was relatively engaged while watching it on initial viewing, but I didn't think it would hold peoples affections to strongly months after it's release.

I appreciate that it integrates a faux-documentary style with a classic cinematic structure without being too clumsy, makes fine use of special effects, and delivers a terrific performance by an unknown actor (and to do all this within a relatively large summer film as well)... but that doesn't make it any more interesting on repeat viewings. At this point, seeing it again would almost be a chore.

Really, every film nominated in this category was superior to District 9.

I also don't understand the comparisons to Children of Men, other than they belong in the same section at the video store.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Gold Trumpet on March 06, 2010, 04:37:14 PM
District 9 deserved to win for the sole reason its praises have been far more interesting than its dissents. I'm still looking for some reasons why this sucked or wasn't that great, but it's being summed up by general distaste.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Sleepless on March 06, 2010, 05:23:35 PM
I also don't understand the comparisons to Children of Men, other than they belong in the same section at the video store.

Don't get me wrong, both films are great. I thoroughly enjoy both of them. D9's screenplay alone is an awesome lesson in structure and originality. But is it really the best film of the year? Personally, I don't think so. But out of the nominated films I didn't vote for, so glad this won.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: children with angels on March 06, 2010, 10:24:25 PM
 Come on...

fully serious films

Really? I feel there may be some serious anti-genre-film snobbery to this. D9 didn't get my vote, but I can't get behind objections on the grounds of lack of so-called seriousness.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: modage on March 06, 2010, 10:29:26 PM
really?

If we had counted the nominations instead of final votes, this would have swept the awards.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on March 07, 2010, 12:30:04 AM
THis was good.  I'm drunk, and I'm going to comment on every award I think I should say something about.

I think I voted for a serious man, though.

This movie is cool.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Captain of Industry on March 07, 2010, 01:02:48 PM
Come on...

fully serious films

Really? I feel there may be some serious anti-genre-film snobbery to this. D9 didn't get my vote, but I can't get behind objections on the grounds of lack of so-called seriousness.

Actually I said, "Only fully serious films which will be remembered by all and for eternity deserve this award," and it was intended to be a sardonic jab at New Feeling's accusation of District 9 being a semi-serious film that will be forgotten in 20 years (as if that alone disqualifies it from bestness).

I thought "fully serious" and "by all and for eternity" were good enough joke indicators.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: cine on March 07, 2010, 01:39:16 PM
cool so i didn't miss anything.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: children with angels on March 07, 2010, 02:03:34 PM
Actually I said, "Only fully serious films which will be remembered by all and for eternity deserve this award," and it was intended to be a sardonic jab at New Feeling's accusation of District 9 being a semi-serious film that will be forgotten in 20 years (as if that alone disqualifies it from bestness).

I thought "fully serious" and "by all and for eternity" were good enough joke indicators.

Ah... Yes indeed - I'm afraid I must admit to a drunk post there. Moderately shaming. Apologies!
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: picolas on March 07, 2010, 02:36:01 PM
D9's screenplay alone is an awesome lesson in structure and originality.
do you know where i can get a copy of that?
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Pubrick on March 08, 2010, 12:10:22 AM
and you all thought my campaign was too late.

ha!

this was fucking brilliant and a rare case where Xixax really picked the most important, entertaining, original, and innovatve film of the year. the comparisons to Children of Men are bullshit, that movie was crap and we all knew it.. everyone will remember THIS movie cos Blomkamp has the special ability to make a lot of money AND a good film. cuaron got lucky with azkaban and will probably be remembered for just good films that only film buffs really care about..

if you aren't onboard with D9 you aren't onboard with the spirit of the future of film. it isn't avatar, it's not hundreds of millions of dollars behind a crap script, it's a single great idea followed by amazing execution. dude is one to watch forever and ever and ever. it's only his FIRST FEATURE! INCREDIBLE achievement.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Stefen on March 08, 2010, 01:51:31 AM
^lol. GTFO.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: polanski's illegitimate baby on March 08, 2010, 02:41:20 AM
http://www.hulu.com/watch/132878/saturday-night-live-what-up-with-that#s-p1-sr-i1

WAT UP WID DAT!?
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: RegularKarate on March 08, 2010, 05:26:30 PM
.... horribly overrated pseudo-serious sci-fi films that will be all but forgotten in 20 years?

definitely the worst of the nominees.  major xixax fail

That post was the only "major xixax fail".

People get so fucking over-snobbified sometimes and can't admit that sometimes a movie that the mainstream actually appreciates can be the best movie of the year. 

And while the 20 years comment was probably too pointless an argument to give any weight to, let's face it, this will probably be remembered by more people in 20 years than the other nominees:

Not to diss them  (because they're almost all good), but:

Inglourious Basterds - will be remembered as an "oh yeah, I forgot about that one" by most people because while it's one of his better movies, it won't hold up to the memory of Pulp or Res because QT will not continue to make memorable films for the next 20 years (if he lives that long) and this will get lost in the crap.

A Serious Man - while it's better than IB, it falls into the same category, won't stay alive amongst the other Coen gems.

Up- I love it, it's great, but it's already been forgotten by most of America.

Where the Wild Things Are - People are going to hate this even more in ten years when it doesn't seem like any kind of special visual accomplishment anymore.

D9 is going to be remembered for coming out of the blue and it's going to be remembered for making a splash this early in the director's career.

Anyway, my point is you're wrong.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: john on March 09, 2010, 04:09:21 PM

A Serious Man - while it's better than IB, it falls into the same category, won't stay alive amongst the other Coen gems.



D9 is going to be remembered for coming out of the blue and it's going to be remembered for making a splash this early in the director's career.

Anyway, my point is you're wrong.


I know the entire argument about where a film while stand in twenty years is wholly speculative - my presumptions, just like yours, are mostly marred by personal opinion but I don't believe A Serious Man won't be regarded as one of their major accomplishments and featured on any shortlist summing up the achievements of their filmography. In every regard, it's a rich piece of work that only gets more rewarding upon repeat viewing.  It's box office gross, or lack of award reception will be irrelevant in twenty years.

I enjoyed D9, but it seems very plausible that it's style will seem a bit dated in twenty years. It will only be praised "for coming out of the blue" by people that remember it's release or are aware of it's box office or reception. For everyone else it will either succeed or fail on it's own merits and not it's context upon release.

This is all a tangential conversation, of course. Clearly, nobody is voting for "Best Film of 2009 Twenty Years From Now" The D9 fans have showed their appreciation and enthusiasm for the film. An enthusiasm I am surprised by, but can definitely appreciate... from a distance.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Alexandro on March 09, 2010, 04:57:15 PM
well.

I don't know if D9 will be remembered in 20 years. I think it will be but I don't know.

Inglorious I don't even doubt it. Good or bad, it's a Tarantino movie, and he's just too much of a big name with too large a following. All of his films will be remembered. Jesus, some people even remember Four Rooms and that is one horrid little movie. People remember Jackie Brown, a film which bombed in 97. You may argue i'm talking about film nerds remembering these things but film nerds are the only ones that remember movies. The rest of the world don't even give a shit. By the standard of popular culture, Titanic would be the best film of 97. It isn't.

Unless Disney and Pixar go broke or something, Up, like every other disney film in existence, will be popular in 20 years. If they can make something like Oliver and Company stand the taste of time, they can do anything.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on March 09, 2010, 05:39:35 PM
AT LEAST IT WASN'T HURT LOCKER AMIRITE???
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Pas on March 09, 2010, 05:55:25 PM
Hurt Locker will not be remembered in twenty days so 20 years for D9 is a big order
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: pete on March 09, 2010, 09:10:56 PM
well.

I don't know if D9 will be remembered in 20 years. I think it will be but I don't know.

Inglorious I don't even doubt it. Good or bad, it's a Tarantino movie, and he's just too much of a big name with too large a following. All of his films will be remembered. Jesus, some people even remember Four Rooms and that is one horrid little movie. People remember Jackie Brown, a film which bombed in 97. You may argue i'm talking about film nerds remembering these things but film nerds are the only ones that remember movies. The rest of the world don't even give a shit. By the standard of popular culture, Titanic would be the best film of 97. It isn't.

Unless Disney and Pixar go broke or something, Up, like every other disney film in existence, will be popular in 20 years. If they can make something like Oliver and Company stand the taste of time, they can do anything.

just because people remember something, ie. aren't amnesiac, doesn't mean it'll be "popular".  nobody saw four rooms.  your reasons are ridiculous and just because people know a title you talk about is a movie doesn't mean it'll still be "popular."
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Gold Trumpet on March 09, 2010, 09:17:13 PM
I'm confused by the conversation. I never realized memorability was the first topic when discussing 'Best Film' or anything. It sounds like a good way to not talk about the film because I really don't know what anyone is saying here.

I voted for District 9. I calmed on my praise, but I still believe it deserved to win. I'm interested in why people really don't think it was that good.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Alexandro on March 10, 2010, 01:28:35 AM

just because people remember something, ie. aren't amnesiac, doesn't mean it'll be "popular".  nobody saw four rooms.  your reasons are ridiculous and just because people know a title you talk about is a movie doesn't mean it'll still be "popular."

i don't know what you're talking about. We were discussing district 9 as best picture. the conversation shifted towards if district 9 would be remembered in 20 years. then comparisons between that movie and the other nominees were mentioned. and then I said what I said. I never meant to talk about a film being popular or not. the only time I mentioned that world was within the term popular culture.

And I ain't gonna be the one to talk about why District 9 don't deserve to be named best picture because I think it's fantastic.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: john on March 10, 2010, 01:34:24 AM
I'm confused by the conversation. I never realized memorability was the first topic when discussing 'Best Film' or anything. It sounds like a good way to not talk about the film because I really don't know what anyone is saying here.

I voted for District 9. I calmed on my praise, but I still believe it deserved to win. I'm interested in why people really don't think it was that good.

Curiously enough, I think your reassessment of the film in it's proper thread is the most succinct criticism of the film I've read so far. Now I'm not implying that you're dismissive of the film at all, obviously, just that you gave a fine evaluation of where the films strengths end and it's weaknesses begin.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Stefen on March 10, 2010, 01:55:44 AM
I just thought it was kind of silly at times. When one of the aliens is sporting a propeller hat and is obviously the nerdy one, I stopped taking it seriously.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: RegularKarate on March 10, 2010, 10:58:23 AM
I just thought it was kind of silly at times. When one of the aliens is sporting a propeller hat and is obviously the nerdy one, I stopped taking it seriously.

Huh?  Why was he "obviously the nerdy one"?

The propeller hat was used to show that the aliens had little to no idea of Earth culture, they would wear anything, even if it was as ridiculous (to us) as a propeller hat.  It's like when you see a Homeless person with a Windows 98 shirt or something on... you don't look at the guy and say "what a nerd".
Sure, they put the hat on a character we're not supposed to take as seriously, but that's because it wouldn't have gotten away with putting it on the main alien.

And, I was mostly messing around with listing what will be remembered in 20 years and didn't mean for it to turn into such a silly argument.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Alexandro on March 10, 2010, 11:41:00 AM
Hahaha
please someone make a banner of that alien with the propeller hat and put "the nerdy ones" next to the picture.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Pas on March 10, 2010, 11:49:27 AM
hahaha yes please

It's like when you see a Homeless person with a Windows 98 shirt or something on... you don't look at the guy and say "what a nerd".

reminds me I saw last summer a homeless guy wearing a clean green sweatshirt with ''Mrs. Doubtfire" embroided in pink on it. No pictures, no vhs cover, no actor names. It was weird!
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Pubrick on March 10, 2010, 11:51:50 AM
not to derail the thread any further, but for those new to xixax and apparently those who never really cared to know how these things work, the text and the picture are both randomized individually. we'd need a good quote to put in the mix so that one day one of us MIGHT see the two next to each other. seems pretty futile so they're usually created to be individually self-contained, text and pic.

only quote from this debacle so far could be:

we look at homeless ppl and think "what a nerd"
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Alexandro on March 10, 2010, 12:33:46 PM
the line "the nerdy ones" is still funny on it's own haha...
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on March 10, 2010, 03:02:59 PM
not to derail the thread any further

Now THERE'S a marquee.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: abuck1220 on March 10, 2010, 09:54:48 PM
yay SYMBOLISM!*

*it's like south africa!
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Pubrick on March 10, 2010, 10:53:26 PM
i love this film if only for the post above.

it's disguised as a meat head film but it's actually much better, it's like T2 in that way, except that in this case the sleight of hand makes meat heads explode with obnoxiousness at even the possibility that it's more than just standard action fare. that's what's behind the offence the haters are taking with this movie, other than the ppl who think it's "only OK" and are just reasonable ppl who aren't into smart meat head movies.. it's just too much for actual meat heads to handle.

it never struck me as a love it or hate it kinda film. the meat heads proved me wrong.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Neil on March 12, 2010, 12:40:20 AM
cool so i didn't miss anything.


Meat Heads!
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: socketlevel on March 24, 2010, 02:06:59 PM
like any good democracy, australia being the best example, these awards should be done with a preferential ballot. first past the post is so obsolete.  hopefully this can be re-evaluated for next year's award season.

there is no reason this site has to follow in the entrenched footsteps of the oscars or our outdated voting systems in canada and the united states.

(oh i forgot with the 10 nominees i think they did have a preferential ballot for that award in the oscars anyway)
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: polkablues on March 24, 2010, 05:00:46 PM
That sounds like more work for the admins. Not sure how I feel about that...
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Pubrick on March 24, 2010, 05:07:37 PM
i think we did preferential voting with the dekapenticon or something else and it was HEAPS more work and in the end the result was no different than our usual method. i don't think anyone has ever cared this much about the xaxies before, i continue to be amazed that sock has taken it upon himself to revolutionise/rebel against the local message board awards system.

good suggestion for democracy but who can be bothered and who really cares for the purposes of yearly film lists decided by a bunch of freaks.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: socketlevel on March 25, 2010, 02:45:10 PM
I care, and would help with the burden if need be. I'm rebelling against flaws, because contrary to what you think i am quite fond of the local message board awards system and the freaks that contribute. it just seemed that the speculation made on the threads lead to a belief that votes were getting split, which casts doubt on the winners. this was the logical answer.  viva la revolution. if it's not a possibility then that's cool, my analogies were a little verbose lol.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Pubrick on March 25, 2010, 02:56:49 PM
there's nothing special about this year's awards. the best film won. sometimes the worst film wins (children of men). the "speculation" you mention happens every year when there isn't a clear favourite.

would u be rebelling against the flaws if you agreed with the result? you've been posting here since 2003 and this is the first time the flaws in the system hav been apparent to you? the only thing that has any correlation to modern politics is your behaviour, it sounds a lot like the republican method in america right now..

if u want, bring it up again in 10 months when ppl start remembering that the xixax awards are a thing. but i don't think u'll be able to help cos it takes 5 ppl to count (and recount) the thing as it is, one more is not gonna help when the work increases 10-fold.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: socketlevel on March 25, 2010, 04:18:51 PM
well truthfully i left for 3 years in 2006 and came back about a year ago. in the past i used to look at the winners and not read the replies. like i said it just seemed that people were calling the split vote a lot, and this was a way to fix it.

I'm Canadian. but regardless of my country of origin, you're label of my behavior is kinda loaded. like, how can i even reply to it? In doing so, I perpetuate this now rightist and ignorant stigma you've attached. the very fact that i have an opinion seems to be your focus. sorry i guess i'll always have an opinion, and i think you shouldn't silence the debate with labels that attack the very motive in which i post. it's kind of ironic because you're not a yes man on this site. you often stir the pot or call people on bullshit, so why have your sights set on my behavior? i won't hit below the belt if you don't, there is no way out of what you said other than to see it's inherent flaws in dominance. basically regardless of how i reply, you can say "see".

given the context of this, it's interesting because first past the post is way more republican/conservative then preferential voting. global voting reform is actually a liberal movement. basically the reason in Canada is the fact that there is one conservative party and 2-3 left leaning parties. with preferential voting it eliminates the public tendency to vote for what has the best chance and in stead go for what they want, because the best chance will still get their vote before the conservative one. You're a smart enough guy to already know that, along with others on the site. so if i am rebelling, and acting political, it's more liberal minded. I guess preferential is way less considered in the US because with only two combatants you kind of technically already have it.

in 10 months if i remember, and i hope i do, i will bring it up again. and if people are game i'm more than willing to help out. i think it would make for a much more interesting awards season. i don't know, it's a soft side of me, but i really like how this site has the awards. it's geeky freaky or w/e, but it's fun.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: socketlevel on March 25, 2010, 04:22:32 PM
oh and your comment about children of men is blasphemous! :P
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: polanski's illegitimate baby on March 25, 2010, 04:32:17 PM
yeah i am down for not copy, pasting, deleting, backspacing god knows how many entries...in fact, that was so much work for me i am not going to do ever do it again... p makes a good point
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: RegularKarate on March 25, 2010, 04:48:02 PM
Yeah, the preferential voting thing just makes it more work, accomplishes nothing else.  We did it for both Decapentawhoeverdongs I think.

Also, What else was against Children of Men?  I'm inclined to agree with P there.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: polkablues on March 25, 2010, 04:50:47 PM
Also, What else was against Children of Men?  I'm inclined to agree with P there.

It was and still is my favorite of that year, but I was AMAZED that it won.  It never seemed to have that much support behind it.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: picolas on March 25, 2010, 05:10:09 PM
children of men is vastly overrated. i don't like any of the characters. it does have some really amazing shots, but that's the only thing i remember being impressed by.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: RegularKarate on March 25, 2010, 05:14:03 PM
children of men is vastly overrated. i don't like any of the characters. it does have some really amazing shots, but that's the only thing i remember being impressed by.

Did I write this?
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: polkablues on March 25, 2010, 06:48:12 PM
I don't like any of the characters, but I found that didn't stop me from loving the movie.
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Stefen on March 25, 2010, 07:00:07 PM
I don't like any of the characters, but I found that didn't stop me from loving the movie.

Same here. Character wise, not much is going on, but I still think as a whole it's a stunning film. I'm a visual ho, tho'. 
Title: Re: Best Film
Post by: Pubrick on March 25, 2010, 08:49:05 PM
well truthfully i left for 3 years in 2006 and came back about a year ago. in the past i used to look at the winners and not read the replies. like i said it just seemed that people were calling the split vote a lot, and this was a way to fix it.

i think you'll find that there is no such thing as a split vote most years. only in the case of Children of Men and this year was there not a clear favourite. every other year everyone knew who was going to win and the margin was HUGE for the winner, and in those cases preferential voting would have made absolutely no difference at all. this year there will be a TERENCE MALLICK FILM released.. the best film of 2010 is already decided. the other categories are not much different. this year was very unusual with the number of ties, and it is just hurting my head to think that we would hav to consider ppl's second third and fourth ranked options for a meaningless category like "best original music" where ppl for the most part hav absolutely no idea what they're talking about... this is why we got rid of Editing and Sound and no one gave a shit.

I'm Canadian. but regardless of my country of origin, you're label of my behavior is kinda loaded. like, how can i even reply to it? In doing so, I perpetuate this now rightist and ignorant stigma you've attached. the very fact that i have an opinion seems to be your focus. sorry i guess i'll always have an opinion, and i think you shouldn't silence the debate with labels that attack the very motive in which i post. it's kind of ironic because you're not a yes man on this site. you often stir the pot or call people on bullshit, so why have your sights set on my behavior? i won't hit below the belt if you don't, there is no way out of what you said other than to see it's inherent flaws in dominance. basically regardless of how i reply, you can say "see".

given the context of this, it's interesting because first past the post is way more republican/conservative then preferential voting. global voting reform is actually a liberal movement. basically the reason in Canada is the fact that there is one conservative party and 2-3 left leaning parties. with preferential voting it eliminates the public tendency to vote for what has the best chance and in stead go for what they want, because the best chance will still get their vote before the conservative one. You're a smart enough guy to already know that, along with others on the site. so if i am rebelling, and acting political, it's more liberal minded. I guess preferential is way less considered in the US because with only two combatants you kind of technically already have it.

you know i'm australian, right? i was only making reference to republicans cos you started this with a direct appeal to the different voting systems of countries.. at the very least i would say that was unnecessary, at worst irrelevant.

in 10 months if i remember, and i hope i do, i will bring it up again. and if people are game i'm more than willing to help out. i think it would make for a much more interesting awards season. i don't know, it's a soft side of me, but i really like how this site has the awards. it's geeky freaky or w/e, but it's fun.

i think it's fun too but honestly just judging the overall winner based on ppl's main preference is good enough. that's my opinion.. and it's hard enough getting ppl to simply copy, paste, then delete all but their favourite in each category, let alone asking them to RANK THEM IN ORDER OR PREFERENCE. we would get most ppl just ranking their main favourite, maybe two, in each category. not much of a revolution really.