I was talking to somebody today who got to see Adaptation and Dreamcatcher back to back, he went on to say that Adaptation was "a stupid thing to make a movie about" and I disagreed, in which he called me a film snob who just "likes movies just because nobody sees them"... So lets brainstorm, what are some common misconceptions of a film snob....
-Knows everything about every movie ever made and will point it out
-Anti-social
-Independent > mainstream always
-Aspiring to be Quentin Tarantino
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a film lover is a great thing, a film snob is a pointless concept
i have run across so many and to me they do not look like they enjoy movies all that much. They kind of have that fake robotic thing to them, where they pass along shit they got from audio commentary's.
A film fanatic loves movies, all kinds. Tarantino is a example of someone who i would call a great example of what a film fanatic should be like, his tastes are all over the place, and he sticks up for films that a lot of people wouldn't . All the greats have eclectic tastes, look at PTA, he loves goddard and he loves happy Gilmore.
I dont like all the same films as him, but thats the point. We all shouldn't have the same exact lists , thats the problem i have with film snobs they all rattle off the same exact list of movies. Now sure they may be some films they pop up on everyones list ( goodfellas, spinal tap) , but thats different then everyone having the same exact fucking list.
me i try and watch all kinds of different movies, and not just the ones that are deemed " worthy" by film snobs. That's dumb, i try and give a lot of different movies a shot, only because i fucking love movies.
here is a example of what i am talking about Two years ago my girlfriend dragged me to see this movie called " sugar and spice"
the commercials for this film made it look really stupid, but it turned out to be one of my favorite movies made in the past few years, no one i know has seen this movie, but its fucking great .
so anyway, i am impressed that this website is more open minded then other places.
A film snob will hate you for not sharing their taste.
A film fanatic will simply look down on you with bemused pity. :wink:
Quote from: Duck Sauce-Knows everything about every movie ever made and will point it out
-Anti-social
-Independent > mainstream always
-Aspiring to be Quentin Tarantino
But those are all true, aren't they? :yabbse-undecided:
i thought film snobs were really social, hmm. I wouldn't want to hang out with anyone who only watched independent movies. It's a common misconception that if something is 'independent' its good, if it's mainstream it's 'bad.' There is a lotta good stuff that comes out of mainstream and a lot of bad independent stuff.
film snob = snob = asshole = anyone who is an asshole.
Quote from: cbrad4dThere is a lotta good stuff that comes out of mainstream and a lot of bad independent stuff.
But at least the goal of independent stuff is "to be good"...
Film snob = someone who pretends to not like "Die Hard".
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanBut at least the goal of independent stuff is "to be good"...
How much do you want to bet Michael Bay and his fans think his movies are "good?"
Oh ma gah... I'm turning into an asshole.
Yeah... I don't think anyone sets out saying, "Let's go make a really shitty movie that nobody will like!"
Quote from: polkabluesYeah... I don't think anyone sets out saying, "Let's go make a really shitty movie that nobody will like!"
Of course not. They say, "Let's go make a really shitty movie that
everybody will like!"
Quote from: RaviOf course not. They say, "Let's go make a really shitty movie that everybody will like!"
:yabbse-thumbup:
Quote from: RaviOf course not. They say, "Let's go make a really shitty movie that......
will win 6 academy awards.
Quote from: RaviOf course not. They say, "Let's go make a really shitty movie that everybody will like!"
siberia in da house!
foreign movies > american movies
original versions ALWAYS > than american remakes (true on the most part, but not always, and there has to be an actual reason, other than just being the original and thats it)
those are other two i can think of...
Also, something's cool while it's new, then when it gets popular, it's not cool anymore, until time passes and it's considered a classic, then they like it again.
Case in point, Pulp Fiction.
I can't wait until I can openly say that I like My Big Fat Greek Wedding again... :roll:
Quote from: bonanzatazI like My Big Fat Greek...
:)
"You have lovely boobs"
Pause...exactly 2 seconds.
Father smacks son on head.
:-D Perfect..!!
Also, in Moulin Rouge, 2 old ladies walked out during "Like a Virgin".
That's when it became a classic for me..!!
Nia Vardalos is like the annoying girl in class who got a laugh from some stupid joke so she just keeps repeating it over and over again. It's like, "Hey guys! It's me! Nia! My family is Greek! How funny is that! It's a big family! Lots of Greek people, one family! HAHAHAHAHA! PLEASE LAUGH AT ME! LET ME BE YOUR FRIEND!"
Gimme a break...
Quote from: bonanzatazNia Vardalos is like the annoying girl in class who got a laugh from some stupid joke so she just keeps repeating it over and over again. It's like, "Hey guys! It's me! Nia! My family is Greek! How funny is that! It's a big family! Lots of Greek people, one family! HAHAHAHAHA! PLEASE LAUGH AT ME! LET ME BE YOUR FRIEND!"
Gimme a break...
i think the reason why it's so popular is because there are millions of people in the world that relate to that, even if they're not greek. just create something that everyone can relate to and you're golden
easier said than done.
I really was just pointing out that Nia is milking her laughs as much as she can. Knowing that the day when nobody wants her will come soon. Clinging on to fame as long as possible. Oh Nia, I could kick you in the face sometimes...
sorry, all the time.
Quote from: polkabluesFilm snob = someone who pretends to not like "Die Hard".
awesome. because i love
die hard.
and i will also admit that truffaut movies aren't that great!11
i can be a film snob sometimes. i'll yell at someone [half-jokingly] "WHAT THE FUCK@!?" if they said they really liked armageddon or something, but i'll usually stay quiet, unless someone's opinions on a movie are fucking retarded and unfounded. i remember back in high school, i got in a heated argument with some bitch who didn't like
boogie nights because, as she put it, "it's just about porno".
dumb bitch.
My g/f's twin sister said Y Tu Mama Tambien is just porn. So I emailed her all the international awards it has won. She has never emailed me back.
There are some films that I like that a Film Snob wouldn't. I like Tombstone, Desperado, Daredevil and Mallrats and I even dug Femme Fatalle.
I do have a tendency to be very elitist in my music/movie views though.
Quote from: snaporazi remember back in high school, i got in a heated argument with some bitch who didn't like boogie nights because, as she put it, "it's just about porno".
dumb bitch.
not everyone has to like boogie nights.
Quote from: SHAFTRI do have a tendency to be very elitist in my music/movie views though.
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Quote from: snaporaz[
i remember back in high school, i got in a heated argument with some bitch who didn't like boogie nights because, as she put it, "it's just about porno".
dumb bitch.
ah man, sometimes its just not even worth it. yourte just wasting youre breath:
i got into this argument with this girl in class because she said pulp fiction didnt make any sense. then at one point she finally admits to only seeing the first 15 minutes of the film.
i fucking hate school
Quote from: cbrad4dQuote from: snaporazi remember back in high school, i got in a heated argument with some bitch who didn't like boogie nights because, as she put it, "it's just about porno".
dumb bitch.
not everyone has to like boogie nights.
Yeah but maybe saying that "its just about porno" is a tad ignorant. But not all people have to go fo these type of movies, or movies at all. I know a lot of people who loved it but just for the sex and coke.
Quote from: snaporazdumb bitch.
And, please Snappy, this is offensive...
stupid twat is the preferred nomenclature.
Quote from: cbrad4dnot everyone has to like boogie nights.
you're right, but - as duck sauce already said - that was just a ignorant fucking comment. i don't care if someone doesn't like
boogie nights or not. i remember a friend of mine telling me he didn't like it because it was too predictable [classic fall-from-fame scenario], and that, to me, is a rational, albeit somewhat close-minded reason for not liking the film. and anyways, i didn't tell him shit for not liking it, since he did give a valid reason for not liking it.
all i'm saying is, as i have already said before, is that i won't become argumentative or otherwise "film-snobbish" unless someone's opinions of a movie are uneducated, immature, or otherwise unfounded.
i remember some bastard on another board i post at said he didn't like
panic room because it was just like
home alone and that jodie foster "wasn't even hot". i ripped into that prick. i mean...foster's hotness is obviously irrelevant to how good a movie is, unless it's some porno or something. and the fact that there was a movie called "home alone" made a decade prior that had a similar plot to
panic room should have no bearing as to whether or not
panic room is a good or bad movie either.
sorry for rambling, but that's just the kind of idiotic comments i fucking hate when it comes to movies.
Quote from: Duck SauceI know a lot of people who loved it but just for the sex and coke.
oh yeah...that is equally annoying.
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:evil:
:evil:
ok, i'm calm.
by the way, bonanzataz...i've been craving some
big lebowski all fucking day for some reason.
sorry if that sounded gay.
boogie nights was a great, sensitive movie, but it didn't slap you in the face with the emotional aspect of the movie....it kind of felt like a fun movie about the porn industry, and the seventies. that's where people missed the people point and allowed for people to easily be offended by the sex in the movie....of course the same person would hate magnolia, and i can't explain how they could miss the tone of that movie, must be their perfect life.
the easiest way to point out a film snob is the person that just won't watch a certain movie because they "know" that it's gonna be bad.
Quotethe easiest way to point out a film snob is the person that just won't watch a certain movie because they "know" that it's gonna be bad.
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I have to disagree with this though, i personally have a lot of movies that dont even interest me, and if i have the "Feeling" that its going to suck, im not going to waste my money on it.
Yeah, that's not a sign of film snobbery. You can pretty much know a film's gonna suck.
I mean you don't go and buy the new Celine Dion album because you know it's shit.
Same type of deal, I can tell that the next film Guy Ritchey (SP?) puts out is most likely going to be a pile of shit. Granted, if evidence showed otherwise, I'd check it out, but you can pretty much get a feel for these things.
I agree. I rarely find myself seeing things I really hate and almost never see things I find bad. I'm always surprised at the number of entries in worst lists here, and wonder why some people bother watching shit when they seem to expect it to be shit (not talking good or funny shit just shit).
sometimes ill give one of those i-know-its-gonna-be-bad films a try, but i always get dissapointed. like "dont say a word".... i was thinking "bah, maybe it isnt THAT bad"... yeah, famous last words
i dont know why i do it... i guess i need confirmation that i can still tell whats probably gonna suck without even seeing it.
well i guess i'm not really a film snob, phew...but to clarify there are times when our hunches are wrong, or there are times when we see movies only because we are with friends or someone who doesn't dismiss movies based on the fact that critics don't like it...the point is it is a little snobbish to not see movie because of a hunch or what our fav. critic said, but i'm not saying i'm above that....and yeah, Cecil B., Don't Say a Word was awful, but i recently saw the Ring because certain momentum pushed me to seeing it, and i thought it was pretty good, when my instinct was to dismiss it as bad without seeing it.
this brings up another point...
how many of you decide whether or not to see a movie based on word-of-mouth, critical reviews, or just the way the trailer is done?
i base my decisions on these factors somewhat often. but i don't mean to se i won't waste my time on movies that other people say suck. i just won't bother wasting the money. i dunno. wierd to explain.
i am probably going to see the core this weekend, just because i want to know what the center of the earth looks like. the movie itself doesn't look that great, but i expect to not regret seeing it and to have a decent experience.
what does that have to do with anything? i don't know. but as for my original question...i'm realizing that those three factors are basically how everyperson decides on seeing any movie they watch...except maybe by reading a tantalizing synopsis on the back of a video box.
A film fan admires Werner Herzog's "Aguirre: the Wrath of God."
A film snob would chastise you, calling you a poser because "Everyone says they like 'Aguirre: the Wrath of God', and 'Signs of Life' is better.
Quote from: budgieI agree. I rarely find myself seeing things I really hate and almost never see things I find bad. I'm always surprised at the number of entries in worst lists here, and wonder why some people bother watching shit when they seem to expect it to be shit (not talking good or funny shit just shit).
I think a lot of it is location oriented. In the U.S., we're inundated with every crappy little piece of garbage that Hollywood cranks out, as well as the good ones, which float around like waterlilies in a septic tank. A lot of the crap films don't necessarily make it to Britain and outlying lands, or if they do, not in the hyper-saturated extent that they do here.
Plus, I have a nasty habit of just going to the theatre and seeing whatever happens to playing at that moment. :?
I gotta back up Polka's sentiments. I live in such a small city that we only have one place that shows movies, and it is a multi plex. To make it worse, it is a multi plex so far down on getting any good movies that could go to one, it only gets the worst of the worst. I've been forced to take in most movies I admire the most through video only, but even if I find the best of the best there, a desire to see movies on the big screen is too much of a need that if I lived in a major city, I wouldn't even bother going near most of the ones I see in my own city. It's just the place I live.
~rougerum
Living in a big city is such a beautiful thing when it comes to movies. And thank God for Landmark Theatres (http://www.landmarktheatres.com/).
The Bay Area is a pretty film conscious area, if its not in my town its in the next over, or at most Berkeley or SF
Quote from: polkabluesI think a lot of it is location oriented. In the U.S., we're inundated with every crappy little piece of garbage that Hollywood cranks out, as well as the good ones, which float around like waterlilies in a septic tank. A lot of the crap films don't necessarily make it to Britain and outlying lands, or if they do, not in the hyper-saturated extent that they do here.
I don't know whether I'm lucky to have that filter or whether my moviegoing is being censored. I guess the flipside is that I miss out on the interesting independents and a glimpse of the 'real' America. :yabbse-undecided:
QuotePlus, I have a nasty habit of just going to the theatre and seeing whatever happens to playing at that moment. :?
That's not nasty, it's well-adjusted.
How often do people go to cinemas, though? I normally make once a week, this week I'll see The Seventh Seal and Rules of Attraction
and possibly Jackass. I'm always awestruck by how many films everyone has seen, how do you do it? I spose it's just we never had movies when I was a kid, just crayons. :cry:
Sometimes I get in a roll where I will see like 15 movies in a week and goto the theater 3 times, and then there are sometimes like right now where i havent watched a movie in 5 days, Im just not in the mood. Im always amazed by the people here who have seen every movie.
Quote from: budgieI spose it's just we never had movies when I was a kid, just crayons. :cry:
Trivia alert: the cinema is older than crayons.
sweet jesus, someone's a little post-happy today. too many posts and no sex make cbrad go crazy
u don't have to have an opinion about everything
Instead of trying to define or argue what a film snob is, I say fuck it, I'm a film snob.
~rougerum
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^LOL.
Perfect.
That's probably hilarious from a particular point of view, but it seems soo boring. I bet these types of people are really boring to talk with about cinema.
I recall a time I understood the power of cinema. I was about 19 and a girl (Rachel) outside a bar told me when she was in 8th grade she was obsessed with Hitchcock's Rebecca, and she was pretty crazy about movies but that film struck her in a certain way. Essentially she was still chasing after movies that made her feel that way, and it had nothing to do with this 'evolutionary' model of film geekdom because it was personal.
So I don't think increasing complexity or diversity of taste comprises the essential core of a movie geek like this graph represents. I think it's when you see a movie that strikes raw nerves it happens, and you become open to cinema in an exciting new way. That movie can be any movie and it can lead you to whatever movies; it's completely independent of taste 'growth' or whatever.
I raised myself, cinematically speaking, on an unhealthy diet of late-night HBO movies. Where am I on this graph?
I think the sundace phase and the oscar phase occur parallel to each other, but not one after another. if you're younger then you do the trainspotting thing; older ones (or older souls) do the oscar thing, but they're kinda at odds with each other, especially with the way acclaimed films have been divorced from the more edgy ones.
I remember the beginnings of my snobbery was when I bought Leonard Maltin's Movie guide. I must've been about twelve. It was like whatever Maltin said was etched in stone, if he gave it four stars, I must see it someday! The more oscar wins the better. I prided myself on watching things my friends or even my parents might overlook, because it was accepted as 'special' by the academy. I really think that seeing Magnolia was the turning point for me getting into artsier films. After that I wanted to seek out films that made me sad. I saw Requiem for a Dream and it made me too sad. I was addicted to it, that existential longing. Now I just fucking hate those types of films, they make me sick. When I see a movie I want to be enthralled, grossed out, entertained, I feel like I'm back to square one again.
The list is spot on for me too. After I saw Mully I became open to watching all the new different films. Very soon after that I was in the process of watching all the ''Best film'' oscarized stuff. Then the classics and foreign oddities.
But the most astounding observation of that list is the Hipsterata. After that phase where I believed I had 'mastered' the classics, I really went to Troma and Z-actioners.
I'm done with it now and I'm a proud celluloid sapien. I watch all kinds of movies for different reasons. I live for good mysteries and whodunits, I watch movies from any era without prejudice positive or negative, I have my classics in all the genres that exists (or almost).
Cinema is pretty neat. Litterature is better but too tiring.
I'm past that list. I'm to the point where I don't even watch movies anymore. I just read what others have said about them and form my opinion from that.
Quote from: Pas on May 13, 2011, 10:20:28 AM
After I saw Mully I became open to watching all the new different films.
still gotta see boogie nights tho. an hour in? r u fucking crazy?
Quote from: Reelist on May 13, 2011, 11:07:12 PM
Quote from: Pas on May 13, 2011, 10:20:28 AM
After I saw Mully I became open to watching all the new different films.
still gotta see boogie nights tho. an hour in? r u fucking crazy?
haha yeah i don't think i will though. At least not in the foreseable future. It doesn't interest me at all
smh for the whole board.
Remember when GT used to sign all of his posts "~rougerum"?
In my head, i always read it as "roger, um?"
yeah wtf is that sposed to mean?
It's REDRUM.
Except red = rouge.
I think it was his past username somewhere else, and he was used to it.
oh. cool, cool. I always read it as Rou-gerum. Sounded pretty stupid.
I was a kid. It was stupid.
We were all stupid back then. Not anymore though.
speak for yourself, guy :crazyeyes:
Quote from: Reelist on May 15, 2011, 11:27:38 PM
speak for yourself, guy :crazyeyes:
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