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Title: MAMET
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 07, 2003, 02:28:33 PM
is anyone else a David Mamet fan? Hes absolutely brilliant in my book. I definately like his writing more than his directing ability. GlenGary Glenn Ross...that's all I have to say.
Have any of you read his book on directing -- its very good. a bit cryptic, but all around,  very well articulate look at mamets process.
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Post by: Pwaybloe on April 07, 2003, 03:24:05 PM
Nah... Never heard of the guy.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 07, 2003, 05:24:18 PM
Quote from: PawbloeNah... Never heard of the guy.

Your sarcasm is so witty.
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Post by: SoNowThen on April 08, 2003, 01:22:56 PM
Love Mamet's writing (obviously Glengarry, but he also did a great polish on Ronin). As to directing, I would have to say he is the worst director in the history of film. I can't say how many of his own good scripts he has ruined by directing them. Aaarrrgh. I flipped through his book, and the first thing that jumped out at me was that he praised silent films, saying movies nowadays rely too much on dialogue. What? That's all Mamet movies are. Don't get me wrong, I think he writes great dialogue, but if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black...

And another thing, I can't stand his wife. She's the most annoying cunt since Yoko Ono.
Title: MAMET
Post by: Pwaybloe on April 08, 2003, 03:43:54 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
Quote from: PawbloeNah... Never heard of the guy.

Your sarcasm is so witty.

Are you coming on to me?
Title: MAMET
Post by: cine on April 08, 2003, 04:33:47 PM
Quote from: Pawbloe
Quote from: cowboykurtis
Quote from: PawbloeNah... Never heard of the guy.

Your sarcasm is so witty.

Are you coming on to me?

Watch out.. pretty soon you might have "an ass in your cock".. (and yes, I HAVE been waiting to use that on here somewhere.)

Anyway I love Mamet.. I just watched "Glengarry" recently and the performances are so dynamic you're forced to watch.. Lemmon, Pacino, and Harris especially (in that order).. absolutely stunning..
My favourite Mamet film has to be "House of Games".. I doubt I'll be alone on this one.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 08, 2003, 05:08:10 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenLove Mamet's writing (obviously Glengarry, but he also did a great polish on Ronin). As to directing, I would have to say he is the worst director in the history of film. I can't say how many of his own good scripts he has ruined by directing them. Aaarrrgh. I flipped through his book, and the first thing that jumped out at me was that he praised silent films, saying movies nowadays rely too much on dialogue. What? That's all Mamet movies are. Don't get me wrong, I think he writes great dialogue, but if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black...

And another thing, I can't stand his wife. She's the most annoying cunt since Yoko Ono.

i think every word you wrote is correct. accept your comment on his directing ability. hes pretty fucking bad, but theres been worse. i also found it amusing that his whole seminar in that book is reffering to the kuleshov experiment and eisenteinian montage -- however all his film are talking talking talking, the second some stops speaking his elequent dialogue, you look at the frame and want to turn it off. and yes his wife if a dirty cunt -- id hate fuck her though.
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Post by: MacGuffin on June 02, 2004, 10:36:14 AM
Mamet Helming Will Ferrell's Joan of Bark
Source: Variety

David Mamet (Spartan) will write and direct Joan of Bark: the Dog that Saved France for John Calley to produce and Will Ferrell to star in for Columbia Pictures.

Variety says the film is a contemporary satire about pop culture.

Ferrell is toplining DreamWorks' summer comedy Anchorman as well as next year's Kicking and Screaming at Universal.
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Post by: Ravi on June 02, 2004, 04:08:34 PM
David Mamet directing Will Ferrell in a film called Joan of Bark?  This is too weird.
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Post by: RegularKarate on June 02, 2004, 05:06:32 PM
At first, I was fighting it... thought it was strange.

Now it doesn't seem strange...  I do, however, think it won't be that funny.
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Post by: ThurstonPowell on June 03, 2004, 01:22:51 PM
I'm going to have to disagree that Mamet is a bad director.  

From the beginning of his career, He's taken a character driven approach that is intentionally stylistically drab.  He wants us caught up in the story and the characters, not the shots and the cuts.  

That's not to say that there's something wrong with "cool" shots, cuts, music, etc.  I'm a huge fan of Brian DePalma, Scorsese, Fincher, Gondry, Hitchcock, Argento, and of course PTA.  But to me, Mamet's more 'drab' approach is in it's way just as 'cool', because it comes from him and serves his intent.  

Because Mamet is viewed as a Writer Who Occasionally Directs, he's been able to build a surprisingly large, mature body of work (9 features) basically in secret, so that by the time he's made his most recent several films, the stylistic growth, with more confident camera movement, comes as a pleasant surprise.  Me, I'd put "State and Main", "Heist", and "Spartan" at or near the top of the best recent examples of their respective genres.
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Post by: modage on June 03, 2004, 05:51:21 PM
Quote from: ThurstonPowellMe, I'd put "State and Main", "Heist", and "Spartan" at or near the top of the best recent examples of their respective genres.
only if State and Main's genre is "The Turd Genre".
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Post by: ThurstonPowell on June 03, 2004, 10:25:56 PM
"Turd Genre".  Didn't Pauline Kael coin that one?  Or was it one of the kids from your playgroup?
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on June 03, 2004, 11:12:26 PM
i like the spanish prisoner.  its my super favorite mamet. campbell scott is underrated in a non cliched way
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Post by: nix on June 06, 2004, 11:51:57 PM
His book, while it includes truth without question, is really pretty one sided. Yes using uninflected images is an effective way to make a movie but for God's sake it's not the only way. He basically says that using long takes is an unpardonable sin, which in my humble opinion, is complete fucking bullshit.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 07, 2004, 12:34:06 AM
Quote from: NEON MERCURYi like the spanish prisoner.  its my super favorite mamet. campbell scott is underrated in a non cliched way
I think it's my favorite Mamet too.

You know, his movies are really driven by plot and characters (and not visual filmmaking), which works for him... but it doesn't work for many others. Does he show any respect for personal style in his book? Because saying every movie should be made his way is not only arrogant, it's just stupid.

He reminds me of something like a neoclassical painter. Film doesn't have to be a restricted narrative window... the fact that it's open to just about any kind of visual experimentation means that abstraction is an inherent and perfectly natural quality of the medium.

Quote from: nixHe basically says that using long takes is an unpardonable sin, which in my humble opinion, is complete fucking bullshit.
I wonder what he thought of Russian Ark.

And what is a play but one long take?
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Post by: Ravi on June 07, 2004, 09:53:48 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: nixHe basically says that using long takes is an unpardonable sin, which in my humble opinion, is complete fucking bullshit.
I wonder what he thought of Russian Ark.

And what is a play but one long take?

A play can't have cuts, unless the actors are making quantum leaps from one place to another.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 07, 2004, 10:41:11 AM
Quote from: RaviA play can't have cuts, unless the actors are making quantum leaps from one place to another.
Or if you blink.

I guess you could call a scene change a cut, but even then it's more of a fade out / fade in.

I still don't understand his reverence for frequent cuts, though. He could have filmed Oleanna in one take.
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Post by: MacGuffin on August 24, 2004, 03:53:24 PM
Mamet, Ryan team for CBS terror drama
Source: Hollywood Reporter

Call it a look inside the Delta Force, David Mamet-style.

Mamet, the Pulitzer Prize-winning multihyphenate, has teamed with Shawn Ryan, creator/executive producer of FX's "The Shield," to develop a drama series for CBS and 20th Century Fox TV revolving around the personal and professional lives of members of an elite military anti-terrorism unit. CBS has given a put pilot commitment to the project after spirited bidding among several networks.

The untitled project was inspired by the 2002 book "Inside Delta Force: The Story of America's Elite Counterterrorist Unit" by Eric Haney, one of the founders of the Army's storied Delta Force division. Mamet and Ryan became friendly last year when Ryan persuaded Mamet to direct an episode of "Shield" after learning that Mamet was a fan of the Emmy-winning police drama.

Not too long after that, Mamet gave Ryan a copy of "Inside Delta Force" and asked him to help adapt it for television.

"And you just don't say no to Mr. Mamet," Ryan said, adding that he had long been a fan of Mamet's stage and film work, which includes 1992's "Glengarry Glen Ross," 1997's "Wag the Dog," 2000's "State and Main" and 2001's "Hannibal."

Mamet will write the pilot script and serve as an executive producer alongside Ryan, with Haney attached as a consultant. Ryan, who has an overall deal with 20th, said their goal is to paint a three-dimensional portrait of covert operatives who are generally portrayed by Hollywood as either gadget-toting high-tech whizzes or gung-ho superheroes a la Rambo.

"This project will deal in a very realistic way with the people on the ground who are in charge of keeping us safe in a very dangerous age," Ryan said. "But it will also deal with the dramas they face at home with their wives and girlfriends and with the commanders who give them orders. This is about the men who take the orders and do the dirty work and the baggage that they carry from doing that kind of work."

Before penning "Inside Delta Force," Haney had a long career in the military that ranged from service in Vietnam to such sensitive assignments as being part of the U.S. government's doomed 1980 effort to rescue American hostages held in Iran. The series would not refer specifically to Delta Force but to a fictional special forces unit housed at an American military base.

"There's a real veracity that Eric brought to his book that we hope to bring to the screen," Ryan said. "We want to show people who these men are. After reading this book, David and I both felt very comforted by the fact that these kinds of people are out there."
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Post by: modage on August 25, 2004, 11:25:23 PM
okay, as evidenced by the "turd" comment on the previous page i had not been a david mamet fan.  although i had only seen one film, State and Main, i hated it so much a temporary 'ban' was put on seeing any of his films for having subjected me to watching that in the theatre.
but for whatever reason, recently i watched Glengary Glen Ross (which i realize he only wrote) and The Spanish Prisoner.  glengary glen ross was pretty good, with fantastic actors giving great performances, but ultimately a just not enough for a movie.  it killed me to see how badly things were going for these characters, everyone was so rotten to each other, but i especially felt crushed when jack lemmon got it.  one of my BIGGEST pet peeves is when plays become movies but still would work better as plays.  this was certainly one of those.   it was just too.......small for 100 minutes of film.   spanish prisoner was a intriuging setup but never really picked up steam.  (and i dont know if it was that i has just seen the movie confidence, or the way Hedwig introduced the movie saying it had a 'lot of twists', but i found the whole thing really predictable.)  also: i couldnt figure out why Rebecca Pigeon keeps showing up in his movies, because i felt that she is the worst actress ever.  such a blank fucking slate without any charisma, or mystery or personality whatsoever.  and then i saw that SHE's his wife! (that had been discussed on the last page).  now its beginning to make sense.  regardless, the movie also felt a lot like The Game (which came out the same year) but without any of the action or mounting suspense.  so, i'm still waiting to be blown away but open to see more.
Title: MAMET
Post by: cine on August 25, 2004, 11:49:39 PM
So I guess it's time to see House of Games..
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Post by: MacGuffin on August 25, 2004, 11:51:29 PM
...and then Oleanna.
Title: MAMET
Post by: cine on August 25, 2004, 11:54:40 PM
Hahah.. good one.
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Post by: Ghostboy on August 25, 2004, 11:55:26 PM
But honestly, themodernage, if you didn't like Glengarry Glenn Ross or Spanish Prisoner, you probably just aren't going to like much of what Mamet has to offer. Give House Of Games a shot, but you might want to skip Oleanna (my personal favorite), since it's very clearly based on a play, far moreso than Glengarry Glenn Ross. His dialogue is what makes his films so great for so many people, and if you don't like it, you may not find much else of merit. You might like Things Change, which is his warmest and funniest film.
Title: MAMET
Post by: MacGuffin on March 03, 2005, 01:42:13 AM
Mamet's 'Edmond' in First place
Source: Hollywood Reporter

David Mamet's "Edmond" has been nabbed by First Independent Pictures, which is acquiring all rights for the United States and Canada. Mamet wrote the screenplay, which is based on his play. Stuart Gordon directed. All international rights have been acquired by Wild Bunch, with Tartan Films picking up rights for the United Kingdom and Ireland. "Edmond" is the dark, picaresque tale of an everyman (William H. Macy) who, after realizing his life is boring and meaningless, leaves it all behind to embark on his own quest for truth and fulfillment. The ensemble cast also includes Julia Stiles, Denise Richards, Mena Suvari, Dylan Walsh, Joe Mantegna, Rebecca Pidgeon, Dule Hill, Bai Ling, Bokeem Woodbine, Debi Mazar, George Wendt and Lonnie Smith.
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Post by: Ghostboy on March 03, 2005, 01:36:19 PM
The combination of David Mamet and Stuart Gordon makes so little sense that it can't be anything other than brilliant (I hope).
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Post by: modage on March 03, 2005, 03:03:17 PM
i read the name and thought, 'no way, it must be some other stuart gordon'.  THIS WILL BE INSANE.  :shock:
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Post by: SiliasRuby on March 03, 2005, 10:44:01 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin"Edmond" is the dark, picaresque tale of an everyman (William H. Macy) who, after realizing his life is boring and meaningless, leaves it all behind to embark on his own quest for truth and fulfillment. The ensemble cast also includes Julia Stiles, Denise Richards, Mena Suvari, Dylan Walsh, Joe Mantegna, Rebecca Pidgeon, Dule Hill, Bai Ling, Bokeem Woodbine, Debi Mazar, George Wendt and Lonnie Smith.
A great cast plus Mamet has got my vote for paying ten bucks to see this.
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Post by: MacGuffin on March 16, 2005, 12:09:57 AM
Col collects 'Bones' for Mamet
Source: Hollywood Reporter

Columbia Pictures has purchased film rights to playwright and novelist Seth Greenland's "The Bones" for director David Mamet and producer John Calley. Greenland will adapt his darkly comic novel about Frank Bones, a talented but self-destructive stand-up comic who reconnects with a past friend, Lloyd Melnick, the hottest comedy writer on television. Frank envies Lloyd's success, and Lloyd is jealous of Frank's talent -- a situation that soon spirals out of control.
Title: MAMET
Post by: cowboykurtis on May 19, 2005, 06:41:53 PM
finally saw Oleanna.

Have read the play numerous times.

Macy was dead on.

Debra Eisenstadt was so fucking annoying - as she had to be

SPOILER

Eventhough I knew it was coming - When Macy slaps her I almost had an orgasm.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: MacGuffin on February 06, 2007, 08:17:17 PM
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David Mamet's crazy about Hollywood. Truly.
He's got an industry book out, but it's not scathing. Tinseltown, he says, hasn't 'gone bad.'
By Maria Russo, Times Staff Writer

David Mamet, the Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright and well-compensated Hollywood screenwriter and screenplay fixer, not to mention sometime director and TV honcho, was unpretentiously ensconced in his office, a small, airy apartment located in a pleasant cinderblock complex in Santa Monica. This is where he works — reading and thinking, harboring no grudges, planning no acrid verdicts on the movie business — even as his latest book, "Bambi vs. Godzilla: On the Nature, Purpose and Practice of the Movie Business," is being widely interpreted as just that. The reviews alleging its bitterness and cynicism about the Hollywood game have already rolled in. The general impression is that when Mamet unsheathes his pen on this particular topic, there will be blood in the water.

Misinterpretation, according to the writer who gave us the remorseless "Glengarry Glen Ross" on Broadway and the merciless "Wag the Dog" in the multiplex. "I don't think Hollywood has gone bad," he said last week, seated on a couch, seemingly at peace with the world. "It's the same as it's always been."

His muscular, 59-year-old torso was hugged by a T-shirt bearing the name of the academy where he practices Brazilian jujitsu, a variation of the ancient Japanese martial art that turns an enemy's strength against him by using leverage rather than brute power. As for his stance toward the topic of his book, he was unequivocal: "I love Hollywood," he said.

Just as the book is being published, the revival of his 1988 Hollywood satire, "Speed-the-Plow," is opening tonight at the Geffen Playhouse, and the two works are of a piece, never mind the almost 20 years separating them. According to Mamet, the essential condition of Hollywood has not changed one iota since he wrote the play, with its entertaining take on grasping producers and their oily mores. When it opened on Broadway with Madonna, no less, as Karen, the scheming temp, the play seemed dangerous and au courant. Now it plays as almost a tribute to a pre-Digital Age Hollywood where you knew, at least, who the enemy was.

The business end of movies

Detached from reality as it may at times seem, Mamet's contrarian, matter-of-fact assurance that everything will be OK, that art will find a way to flourish, is a refreshing alternative, anyway, to the hand-wringing, punctuated by apocalyptic pronouncements, that's so in vogue these days. If the rest of Hollywood appears to be in full-on crisis mode, frantically backpedaling as its audience shifts their preferred viewing environment to their living rooms, their preferred format to the swiftly released DVD, their preferred context to the fast-forward-enhanced home entertainment center, Mamet has been too contentedly busy to read the memo. What he has been reading instead is "a lot of political-economic theory."

"I've been fascinated by it for a while," he explained. "So I started thinking about the business end of movies thematically."

Hence, the new book, which takes it title from a brief, satirical 1960s animated short (actually called "Bambi Meets Godzilla") in which Bambi, innocently nibbling at flowers, is stomped on by Godzilla. It's a black-and-white parable for all manner of unfair Hollywood matchups, beginning with the old virtuous-artist-versus-craven-moneymen dichotomy.

"Curiously, and alone among art forms, movies are both an art form and an industry," Mamet said. "The book is a reflection on it as both." He then commenced a lengthy discourse on free markets and democracy. "Movies are a strangely wonderful example of the free-market economy," he said. Whatever may be wrong with Hollywood, or for that matter the nation, "the free-market economy is not the problem."

What about the widely held idea that the film industry, as a business, is in the midst of some fundamental shift, an irreversible contraction? Mamet looked unconvinced, even slightly blank. "It's always been the same," he repeated. "The studios have fallen apart several times in the last hundred years. An economist will say that's just the nature of the system."

He gave another lengthy and possibly learned explanation of the economics of the movie business, concluding with the idea that, where the big studios are concerned, there's "too much necessity of rationalizing subjective decisions to third parties. So the system breaks down. But then it corrects itself."

Still, you can't blame Mamet's publisher for presenting "Bambi vs. Godzilla" — much of which originally appeared in his column in the Guardian and in Harper's Magazine — as a tough-guy indictment of Tinseltown corruption. And, of course, when Mamet commits his views to paper, he does not do so with a feathery touch. His prose persona is an odd — and oddly appealing — combination of wintry New England headmaster and former Chicago street-punk who's been stabbed and shot, but won the ensuing fistfight. He writes a lot of one-sentence paragraphs, which mimic the bludgeoning effect of his widely admired and emulated boom-boom-chop-chop dialogue, while at the same time preserving his more arch and antiquated literary predilections.

Here, for example, is a maneuver that summarizes the benighted realm of the bureaucratic movie executive who prefers to keep movies "in development":

"The successfully matriculated executive, marginally concerned with art and diminishingly concerned even with 'product,' devotes his new wisdom and increased leisure to opportunities for trickery, greed, stock manipulation, and merger, as in any business.

"In the film business, one department of this glee is called 'the development process.'

"This is the fig leaf of propriety covering, if I may, not the genitals of artistic potential but the empty space where they once lay."

Nothing like great acting

He may not have axes to grind, but Mamet is at the very least rankled by all the hangers-on, the peripheral players who have dragged down the art of film over the years. This includes not just useless, venal producers but also film critics ("a plague") and anyone dumb enough to go to film school in the hope of becoming a filmmaker.

But this is also a book infused with love — the sweet, helpless love Mamet has for film, and the communal process that makes it. Because what will rescue Hollywood, in the end, is simple craftsmanship, Mamet insists.

Great acting, especially, knocks him out. On Tony Curtis in "Some Like It Hot": "This is a performance one wishes to hug to one's chest." And he puts in the book this almost-gushing sentence: "I got to make a heist film with Gene Hackman." At their best, his pronouncements about film rise to a blunt eloquence: "Movies possess the power to speak to the human soul, to free us from the weight of repression. What is repressed? Our knowledge of our own worthlessness."

"Do you want to know what the book is really about?" Mamet asked, the conversation having moved upstairs to the loft, where his desk sits, surrounded by books, old-timey posters, volumes of Torah commentary and drawings made by his two young children. He gestured to the wall behind the desk, which displayed a collection of vintage studio passes, small painted and embossed metal badges, each unique and surprisingly lovely. "I love the movie business," he said yet again. "I'm crazy about it! It's the most fun in the world."
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Post by: SiliasRuby on February 07, 2007, 12:41:09 PM
Bought the book yesterday, gonna jump into it today.
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Post by: MacGuffin on February 12, 2007, 12:25:32 PM
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David Mamet is one of the greatest writers who ever lived. He's had success in every medium he's worked in from theater to film and in the past year in television with The Unit, which he co-created with Shawn Ryan. The show has become a ratings success for CBS. But what people love the most about Mamet is his wit, his hilarious cynicism and his ability to teach. That teaching gene has been put on display with Mamet's acting classes, his book On Directing Film and now his new book, Bambi vs. Godzilla: On the Nature, Purpose, and Practice of the Movie Business. Due to the nature of making studio films and mainstream television Mamet has been steeped in the business end of Hollywood for many years now. With Bambi vs. Godzilla he uses the classic 1960's cartoon short as a metaphor for how Hollywood treats its denizens.

Daniel Robert Epstein: What are you working on today?

David Mamet: I'm working on about eight things. I think mainly I'm working on revising a television script for my TV show.

DRE:The Unit has obviously taken off and it's going to be around for a little while. You've never had your own show on before. How has that experience been for you?

DM:It's a lot of fun. It's like making a movie constantly.

DRE:What's it like working with Shawn Ryan?

DM:I've got a lot to learn from Shawn. He's running two shows and he looks like he's half asleep all the time. I'm in awe of him sometimes. I have a shitload to learn from him. He's great. In addition to being a wonderful administrator and a terrific producer, he's got a terrific story sense. The hardest thing about dramaturgy is of course the plot. They say anybody can write a good first act and that's true. So a lot of times we'd be sitting around in the room and I or someone else will be jacked up and he'll say "Instead of the guy, what if it was the girl? What if you took scene three first and put it first?" The other good part is that he loves going into the editing room, which is another form of storytelling. It is taking the finished product and saying, "Okay, I get it. My good ideas don't make sense. I'm going to reshuffle them and make them make sense." To answer your question, it's great working with him.

DRE:I'm sure you've had the chance to make television shows before, what was it that made you say, "Now it's time"?

DM:I don't know. I know I had the chance to make television before. I wrote a couple episodes of Hill Street Blues back in the dark ages. That was before sound had come to television. It was silent. But it just happened. I was just mucking about. I had directed a couple of episodes of The Shield for Shawn and I just finished a movie called Spartan with Eric Haney who had written a book called Inside Delta Force, about his years in Delta Force. Shawn, Eric and I were having sushi and the idea came out of the woodwork to do a TV show based on Eric's book so there you have it.

DRE:So everything just came together at the right time.

DM:Yeah, that's right.

DRE:It's interesting that this book, Bambi vs. Godzilla, has come on the heels of you directing a movie for a major movie company [Spartan for Warner Bros] and you have a show on a major television network. So you're literally in the middle of Hollywood and you're writing this book about Hollywood. Are those things connected or is it something you've been thinking about for a while?

DM:I think they're very much connected. I've always counted myself really fortunate to be in show business. It was either that or crime because other than show business I don't think I have any skills. So I've always loved the business and the craft end of it. As a dramatist you don't have to spend much time with the business side of it. You write the plays, you put them on, the people come, you make some money. The people don't come, you write another play and put that on. It's fairly straightforward. So since getting more and more involved in Hollywood I've been more involved in the business side of the equation and it's fascinating.

DRE:You're someone that's given a lot of respect by actors and directors, do you feel like you're given the proper respect by the people you call out?

DM:I don't know that I'd call them out. I certainly don't name any names nor would I. That's not my place. I'm not there to invite individualism. I'm there to support the system for good or ill. What I'm talking about is that show business is absolute, unfettered free market capitalism. I've never thought about economics before so to look at it that way has been very interesting.

DRE:Are you someone that's been able to reconcile the idea of art as commerce?

DM:Yeah because if I don't reconcile it for myself, my grocer ain't going to. I'm very fortunate. I grew up in Chicago in the golden age of Chicago Theater. Jim Jacobs and Warren Casey had just written Grease in a garage. Dennis Franz and Joe Mantegna were doing work over at the Organic Theater and I was doing American Buffalo with Billy Macy and Mike Nussbaum in our little garage theater. Then John Malkovich, Gary Sinise and Laurie Metcalf came down, took over the little garage theater and they started doing all the Sam Shepherd plays. There was nothing between us and the poorhouse except putting the asses in the seats. That's all there was. So we never drew a distinction between art and commerce. Here we were putting on plays for the fun of it, but if the people didn't come we didn't eat. That was a wonderful salutary experience in the essence of show business. Which is, if they didn't laugh, it ain't funny.

DRE:[laughs] One of the things you talk about in the book is how screenwriters will change their scripts to accommodate all the notes they get. I interviewed a big television writer named Bruce Helford last year. If I had to guess I would say he agrees with you about that. But one thing he said was, "Their notes may not be exactly what you wanted to do but you find ways to slip those notes into what you do." What do you think about something like that?

DM:Well, I've had two experiences, one was notes in television and the other was notes in the movies. In television I haven't gotten any notes. Shawn may have gotten a couple notes because he's, quite graciously, much closer to the networks and the studio than I am. But as far as I can see we haven't gotten many notes. The only notes that we've gotten are about clarity. In the movies when you're working as a writer for hire, you get an incredible amount of notes and they're almost always bad and stupid. The problem is, you're getting paid to put up with stupidness and once in a while somebody has a good idea. So one is constantly wearing one's artist's hat and exchanging it for one's whore hat and sometimes your head gets chafed.

DRE:Have you ever felt like a whore?

DM:I'll tell you what my dear friend Shel Silverstein, may he rest in peace, said. I was bitching and moaning about screenwriting and he said, "Dave, I'll tell you what it's like. It's like you're the greatest cabinetmaker in the world. People come to you and say I want you to make a perfect example of a Biedermeier table and we'll pay you whatever you want. You say, okay. You work on it you're so proud of it and they take it and they set fire to it. You say, You said you'd pay for it and you set fire to it. They say Oh no, we just wanted to do it for a movie effect. So they come back next year and say, We want you to make another one of those Biedermeier tables. We'll pay you even more money than we paid you last year. You say, Ok, I'm a craftsman. It's all about craft. I need the money because my girlfriend and my kids like it. So you build the Biedermeier table even better than before and they take it and set fire to it. By the third or fourth year you aren't going to be making that table quite as well anymore because you know they're going to fucking set fire to it." The problem with writing movies for hire is that you're constantly saying to yourself "What difference does it make? They're going to ruin it anyway." Of course you can't say that because then you are a whore. So you say, "No, I will not go down that road. I'm going to write the best goddamn script I can." Then they hate it. So you say, "What's the problem?" The problem is not with the people who are paying you because what they do is perfectly clear. The problem is with yourself. Not that you're writing a less good script, but that you know that you're getting paid to write a script that no one is ever going to fucking understand.

DRE:A willingness to have your work destroyed, is that what it is?

DM:Destroyed, but the idea is that it ain't your work. It's somebody else's. The law calls it writer for hire because that's what you are.

DRE:How long did it take in your writing career to come up with the three questions that you write in Bambi vs. Godzilla?

DM:It's actually Aristotle, right out of the Poetics. But it took me a long time to realize, "Duh, that's what it's all about." Part of it is I've been working very closely with the writers on the TV show and trying to impart to them the few things that I know that might be helpful to younger writers.

DRE:I know that you're someone that likes to have a lot of control when it comes to your work and for a television show you have to let go a bit. Is that where the team-up with Shawn comes in?

DM:Not so much with Shawn because we're co-producers on the show. It's like any good marriage, automatically one person's going to do one thing and the other person is going to do the other and you help the other guy out. In a bad marriage you say "Okay, listen, I took the garbage out Wednesday, you take the garbage out Thursday." "I fed the cat yesterday now you have to feed the cat," In a good marriage you do it automatically, so I think we've got a pretty good marriage as producers. But it's the nature of television, one cannot direct every one. When you finish your show on Monday, someone else has been prepping to shoot a new show on Tuesday so you can't be both prepping and directing. You can't do them all. Also, you can't write them all. Theoretically you could, if you were younger and had a lot of chemical aid. But you would go insane if you had to write a 46 minute movie, basically half a movie, every eight days. You might be able to do it for a couple of weeks but after that you're going to start to go insane because it's very taxing. So when you're doing a television show, you have to delegate responsibility to the other writers and directors.

DRE:Does one have to know the rules of Hollywood in order to break them or avoid them?

DM:The greatest document of Western Civilization in, my estimation, is Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. They put the two guys into the cage. Remember what the guy said?

DRE:Two men enter, one man leave. Right?

DM:Yeah, but what does he say after that?

DRE:I don't remember.

DM:We know you won't break the rules, there aren't any.

DRE:[laughs] That's better than what William Goldman says.

DM:Nobody knows anything. Both of those lines are spectacular.

DRE:[laughs] Is Bambi vs. Godzilla, along with your book On Directing Film, the way that you teach classes?

DM:I don't teach classes in writing. I've tried. I can't do it. I do teach classes in acting. Bill Macy and I started an acting company 21 years ago in New York called The Atlantic Theater. It's still thriving in New York and I just started an outpost branch in LA so we're going to be teaching acting a little bit out here. The rules for acting and the rules for writing are the same. Who wants what? What happens if I don't get it and Why now?

DRE:I interviewed Bill Macy a few years ago and he told me that you really love actors.

DM:I adore actors.

DRE:But do you love the bad things an actor can do as well? Such as when the unnamed actor in Bambi vs. Godzilla stomps all over that car wearing combat boots.

DM:That's not because he was an actor. It's because he was an asshole. Many of the most successful writers in the history of the world were either actors or failed actors or in love with actors. That's because the way you learn how to write a play is not by sitting in your chair, it's by watching actors and especially by watching actors around an audience. It helps to try to figure out what's the actor actually doing. What is it that the audience perceives about what the actor's doing? I've been an actor, Harold Pinter was an actor and Chekhov was in love with actors. You've got to watch what the actor's doing if you want to learn how to write a play.

DRE:I spoke with Stuart Gordon last year about Edmond and he mentioned about how you were willing to change the script for the movie version. It seems that the directors that direct movie adaptations of your plays are very reluctant to take out the dialogue. But when you direct there is much less dialogue.

DM:Well, you don't need dialogue. If somebody's making a movie out of my plays, there's a self-regulating mechanism that regulates the rhythm of the performance and of the audience. There's a feedback loop between the actors and the audience. In a movie that's not true. So sometimes in a movie one has to alter the pace because the pace is the pace of the shots not the pace of the performance. Therefore sometimes you're going to make cuts in a movie.

DRE:Have you finished Joan of Bark yet?

DM:I finished the screenplay but I didn't shoot it. It's sitting on the shelf.

DRE:Is that what you're planning on doing next?

DM:I don't know. I've got several of things. Sony Classics asked me to do a movie version of The Voysey Inheritance, which is a 1905 play I adapted. It's currently on at The Atlantic Theatre in New York. I've got this other project I may do about the martial arts community in LA.

DRE:What would that be about?

DM:There's this subterranean community that's cross-pollinated between cage fighters and cops and boxers and stuntmen and Navy Seals. It's a really interesting community. It is sort of a samurai film. It is about a guy who's the world's greatest fighter but he doesn't compete. He just trains people because he says, "I'll train you to walk out of the alley alive but I won't train you to get points from a referee." The movie is about how he gets seduced away from his path and becomes commercialized.

DRE:Is that something you would write as well?

DM:I wrote it already. I think I may do that in the next year or so.

DRE:Spartan and, one of my favorite films, Wag the Dog are very political, are you still interested in writing about politics?

DM:Yeah, I've been working on a secret play. I don't know how good it is. But it's a play about a political issue I think concerns us all. It's about the President of the United States and whether or not he's going to pardon a couple of turkeys for Thanksgiving.

DRE:Oh that's funny. He always does it. Isn't that bizarre?

DM:Yeah.

DRE:Have you heard of these prank phone calls where they use Al Pacino's dialogue from Glengarry Glen Ross?

DM:Oh yeah. Do you know about the Toynbee tiles?

DRE:No, I don't. What's that?

DM:This is the weirdest thing that ever happened. I wrote this play [called 4 am] about a million years ago that was an homage to Larry King when he was late night talk show host on radio in the 70's. A guy calls in and he's talking about the film 2001 based on the writings of Arnold Toynbee. The Larry King character says, "I think you'll find that 2001 is based on the writings of Arthur C. Clarke." The guy says, "No, Larry. I believe that you're wrong there. 2001 based on the writing of Arnold Toynbee tells us that all human life will be reconstituted on the planet Jupiter." They had this rather silly conversation for ten minutes. It turns out that now you can go on the internet and look up Toynbee tiles. There are these tiles that are showing up all over the country that say in mosaic "Toynbee says all life reconstituted on Jupiter." You can go to these links and they'll tell you how to make these tiles and where to put them up.

DRE:Are things like the Toynbee tiles and the prank phone calls complimentary?

DM:It's great.

I'll tell you another weird thing. A guy sent me this in the mail. Apparently, one of the Iraqi ministers, like the minister of electricity or something like that, got kidnapped and they held him for a while. I don't know what they did; they probably whacked him on his knuckles. He got away and the Times asked him how he escaped and he said and I quote, "I did the Chicago way." Which is an idea that I made up for Sean Connery in The Untouchables. I thought it was nice this guy was quoting from that.

DRE:I remember reading a story about during a screening of The Untouchables you walked out during the Eisenstein homage because you didn't write it, is that true?

DM:I don't know if it's true or not but I do mention the Eisenstein sequence in Bambi vs. Godzilla. I describe it as a prescient adumbration of Brian De Palma's The Untouchables.

DRE:I believe that De Palma is supposed to direct a prequel, any interest in seeing that?

DM:No, not really but I suggested to Brian that he do a sequel and call it The Retouchables.

DRE:[laughs] Did he think that was funny?

DM:He didn't think it was funny.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: MacGuffin on April 18, 2007, 10:27:47 AM
Mamet directs Ford TV ads
Source: Los Angeles Times

In an effort to get more people to notice its new vehicles, Ford Motor Co. has enlisted the help of filmmaker and Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright David Mamet to direct some commercials [see below].

The television spots, which were scheduled to debut Tuesday night during Fox's "American Idol," compare the company's Edge crossover vehicle with the BMW X-5 and the Lexus RX-350, Ford officials said.

Agency copywriters wrote the dialogue in an effort to mimic Mamet's work, and he didn't change any of the words, a Ford executive said.

Meanwhile, in an unrelated announcement, the Harry Ransom Humanities Research Center at the University of Texas at Austin said it had acquired Mamet's papers for use by students and scholars — more than 100 boxes of journals, correspondence and drafts of all of his plays and screenplays.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbN0aaI87M8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QNNdb3O2WE
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Post by: MacGuffin on May 10, 2007, 10:54:31 AM
Mamet to Return to Theater of Politics
Source: New York Times

The last time David Mamet dipped his sharp pen into presidential politics was in 1997, when he was a co-author of the screenplay for "Wag the Dog," about a — ahem — fictional president who tries to stage a fake war to distract from a damaging sex scandal.

Anyone wondering what he would have to say about today's fraught political environment doesn't have to wonder much longer. Politics are the subject of Mr. Mamet's next play, "November," scheduled to open in January 2008 at a Broadway theater to be announced.

The play, to be directed by Joe Mantello, is a contemporary comedy about a president named Charles Smith and is set a few days before the election, in which he is running as an incumbent. The action unfolds over one day and involves, according to a synopsis provided by the producers, "civil marriage, gambling casinos, lesbians, American Indians, presidential libraries, questionable pardons and campaign contributions."

As a chronicler of moral frailty and heartlessness in the darker corners of American culture, Mr. Mamet has written about thieves, real estate salesmen, academics and Hollywood producers, but outside of "Wag the Dog" he has generally steered clear of American politics.

In a telephone interview yesterday, Mr. Mamet said he had written some political essays when he was much younger and had lately been drawing crude political cartoons for huffingtonpost.com.

This play, which he described as "three men in a room trying to work things out," was inspired by the absurdity of the presidentially pardoned turkeys every Thanksgiving.

"November" would be Mr. Mamet's sixth play to open on Broadway (plus two revivals) but the first to have its world premiere there. "It just always seemed to be a Broadway play," Mr. Mamet said.

Much of the team behind the play has worked together before. Mr. Mantello directed the Tony Award-winning revival of Mr. Mamet's play "Glengarry Glen Ross" in 2005. The producers of that revival, Jeffrey Richards and Jerry Frankel, will be producing "November." Scott Pask, who a co-designer of "The Coast of Utopia" this season, will design the set.

No casting has been announced, but the chatter percolating around Broadway is that Nathan Lane is under consideration for the role of President Smith.

"I can neither confirm nor deny that he is doing the role," Mr. Richards said. "It calls for a great actor with superlative comic timing, and certainly someone like Nathan Lane fits that requirement."
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: MacGuffin on June 07, 2007, 09:53:10 PM
Lane to star in 'November'
Actor cast in Mamet Broadway show
Source: Variety

Nathan Lane will play the presidential lead role in "November," the new political comedy by David Mamet due to begin perfs on Broadway in December.

Lane had been tipped as the likeliest candidate to play the fictional President Charles Smith in the show, about a day in the life of a beleaguered commander-in-chief.

No other casting for the five-person ensemble has been announced. On the design team, Laura Bauer (costumes) and Paul Gallo (lights) will join the previously announced Scott Pask (sets) for the Joe Mantello-helmed world preem.

Mantello ("Wicked"), who helmed the Tony-winning 2005 revival of Mamet's "Glengarry Glen Ross," previously directed Lane in "The Odd Couple" and "Love! Valour! Compassion!"

Last new Mamet play to run on the Rialto was the 1997 production of "The Old Neighborhood," originally produced by Boston's American Repertory Theater. More recently, scribe's comedy "Romance" was a hit at Off Broadway's Atlantic Theater in 2005.

"November," produced by the "Glengarry" team of Jeffrey Richards and Jerry Frankel, starts rehearsals Nov. 26 for a preview period that kicks off Dec. 21. Production opens Jan. 17 at a Shubert theater yet to be confirmed.
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Post by: MacGuffin on January 23, 2008, 07:10:45 PM
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David Mamet's Election Season
The playwright on Hillary, corruption, and our democracy's saving grace. 
By Boris Kachka; NY Mag

When the star of The Producers decides to play a U.S. president in a Broadway play written by David Mamet (November, opening January 17), is it any wonder he becomes a desperate con man? Mamet, whose last play was the 2005 courtroom farce Romance, deliberately got this new comedy up as early in the primary season as possible. But Nathan Lane's president, Charles H.P. Smith—a cash-poor incumbent on the verge of losing reelection—looks a lot more like a certain lame duck than like any of the current White House contenders. And Smith is in a venal class all his own, deploring the job as "too much stress, too little opportunity for theft," and lighting on the annual Thanksgiving-turkey pardon as a potential fund-raising scheme. Mamet may not have expected the primary season's latest surprises, along with all the expressions of hope (Change! Change! Change!) that make scandal-a-minute 2006 (amply referenced in November) seem like a long-ago nightmare. But then, he's got a surprisingly positive take on the political process—which he laid out for us, albeit in broad terms (just don't ask him to endorse a candidate).

So what made you decide to write a comedy set in the Oval Office?
Like a lot of other Americans, I've gotten very interested in politics lately.

And what do you make of the primaries?
I was shocked, after Iowa, to find myself thinking, Well, you know, if there were the two candidates, McCain and Obama, either of them would probably make a hell of a president.

And what about Hillary's tearful turnaround?
Well, I only heard something on the radio. I don't think I'm misquoting her. She said, "I have so many opportunities for America."* [Long pause.] That's kind of wonderfully revelatory. It's not that there are so many opportunities for America, but she has so many opportunities for America.

Will you be voting in the California primary, and for whom?
Of course I'm going to be voting. I'm entitled to my political opinions, and I get to vote because I'm an American. But I'm not the guy to ask about politics. I'm a gag writer.

But you write about politics—especially your strong pro-Israel stance—on the Huffington Post and in books.
If you're writing an opinion piece, it's your job to write your opinion. If, on the other hand, you wrote a novel, as Virginia Woolf tells us, it would be inappropriate if you let your novel be influenced by your political opinions.

But they certainly influence November. Your president started a war in Iraq, detains citizens illegally, "fucked the country into a stuffed hat," and has poll numbers in the toilet. Sounds like some classic Bush-bashing.
It's very clear from the first moment that it's not a play about George Bush. He's an incumbent who's running for a second term, that's the whole gag of the play.

Do you think there's any correspondence between your play and what's going on right now?
For a long time, I felt politicians were stealing my material. I wrote Wag the Dog and then that scandal followed. I guess plagiarism is the sincerest form of thievery.

But how do you see life imitating November?
Everything changes. I mean, that's the great thing about politics. It's like fighting a war. No plan ever outlives the first encounter with the enemy.

But Nathan Lane plays a deeply cynical president, and a lot of people seem relatively upbeat about politics right now.
It's not a cynical play. I might flatter myself by calling it a populist play, because there's one polemic going on between the president, who's unutterably corrupt, and his speechwriter, who's in his view unutterably naïve. At one point she says to him, "People say we're a country divided, but we're not a country divided, what we are is a democracy." And I think that is the meeting ground of the two positions. That the only country that's not divided is totalitarian.

That almost sounds like something Aaron Sorkin would write for The West Wing. Sorkin owes something to your style. What did you think of that show?
I thought it was a great show. Listen, the essence of any television show is to take people backstage and stick them with a group of people we're told are special. We can call it the White House or Delta Force or cops or doctors. But it's the same idea.

So do you enjoy writing your own show—The Unit—for TV?
It calls on a lot of skills that I have, a lot of skills that I don't have, and some skills I'll never have. But it's different. It's like in the Book of Job—where all the comforters said x, y, and z happened and "only I am escaped to tell thee."

Um, how is it like that?
I'm sure it's like childbirth: You just can't understand it until you've done it. Because it combines the rigors of making a movie with the rigors of running a widget factory.

Okay. But you do consider theater more important than television?
No. I do it for a living. I would rather go see The Music Man than The House of Bernarda Alba. And I'd rather go see Our Town than Long Day's Journey Into Night. Because they partake of entertainment. You've got to put the asses in the seats and keep them there.

You also directed a Ford commercial. Why?
I did it for the money. Why do you think I did it?

And you needed the money that badly?
Well, it's nice to have, because you can buy things with it.

So the whole business of "selling out," you think it's bullshit?
No, of course it's not bullshit. One is faced with that every day. All of us. What's a moral choice, what's not a moral choice, and so forth. Somebody even more pedantic than I might say that that's the whole question of drama: How does one make a moral decision? And further, that a moral decision is not the choice between wrong and right—that's easy—but between two wrongs.

You're almost starting to sound cynical again.
The good news is it's a spectacular country. We've been around for 230 years in spite of human nature, because that's what the Constitution is all about. It's saying, of course everyone's gonna try and take control. Of course they're gonna subvert every law that's supposed to keep them in line. Of course the president is gonna want to be imperial, of course Congress is gonna want to become obstructionist, of course the judges are gonna be activist. Duh. They figured this out in 1787 and drew up a few sheets of paper that have kept the country in line. It's a great place to live.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: MacGuffin on March 25, 2009, 07:52:08 PM
Mamet to direct his own 'Race'
Writer making Broadway directorial debut
Source: Variety

NEW YORK -- David Mamet will make his Broadway directing debut next season with the world preem of his new play "Race."

In Gotham, Mamet has previously helmed productions of his plays "Oleanna" and "The Cryptogram" as well as magician Ricky Jay's outings "Ricky Jay and his 52 Assistants" and "Ricky Jay: On the Stem," all of which ran Off Broadway.

"Race" will be the second new Mamet play to bow on Broadway in two years, following the early 2008 opening of "November." Plot details remain sketchy, with producers saying only that the subject matter of the show is self-evident in the title.

A spate of Mamet revivals also has been seen on the Rialto in recent years, including productions of "Glengarry Glen Ross," "American Buffalo" and "Speed-the-Plow."

No cast for "Race" has yet been announced. Preview perfs begin Nov. 21 ahead of a Dec. 10 opening at a Shubert theater to be determined.

Jeffrey Richards, Jerry Frankel and Steve Traxler -- the trio behind "Glengarry," "Speed" and "November" -- produce.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: Pas on April 22, 2009, 03:53:07 PM
I just watched House of Games and was wondering something : are we supposed to be surprised ? The way it's made it looks almost as if the end should be a twist or something.

They should let us know straight up front what is going because the way it stands it's so stinkin predictable that I was at least expecting a double-punch, maybe even triple-punch. When it ended I felt very ''wtf'' because it was so obvious and they were all acting as though they were revealing things of the story that everybody with half a brain have already figured out.

The doctor lady, Crouse her actress name I think, CANNOT FUCKING ACT. she's terrible, like really terrible. Her hair is really fucked up too.

And the music ??! What in the hell is that jazz ?! It sounds like some Agatha Christie TV-Movie music (if you know what I'm talking about you'll no doubt see the resemblance and how pathetic that is)

Anyway MAJOR letdown. I'm starting the Spanish Prisoner now, hopefully it'll be better.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 23, 2009, 01:37:39 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 22, 2009, 03:53:07 PM
They should let us know straight up front what is going because the way it stands it's so stinkin predictable that I was at least expecting a double-punch, maybe even triple-punch. When it ended I felt very ''wtf'' because it was so obvious and they were all acting as though they were revealing things of the story that everybody with half a brain have already figured out.

The film has been very influential to other con films so because of that it hasn't aged well. When it was released in 1987, everything about the film felt brand new. If it was made today things would have to be different, but for the time it was appropriate.

Quote from: Pas Rap on April 22, 2009, 03:53:07 PM
The doctor lady, Crouse her actress name I think, CANNOT FUCKING ACT. she's terrible, like really terrible. Her hair is really fucked up too.

She's fine in Mr. Brooks, but I had a tough time stomaching her in this one. Mamet wants to keep actors as mechanical instruments for the dialogue. A lot of actors who are very expressive become simplistic when working with Mamet. Lindsay Crouse, a limited actor in her own right, came off even worse under Mamet's direction because of his style, but at the time she was Mrs. David Mamet so was guranteed a role.

Quote from: Pas Rap on April 22, 2009, 03:53:07 PM
And the music ??! What in the hell is that jazz ?! It sounds like some Agatha Christie TV-Movie music (if you know what I'm talking about you'll no doubt see the resemblance and how pathetic that is)

Well, that's a reference. The film was billed as a mystery noir so it had to have some of the trappings of one. All the psychological aspects of the film are supposed to be surprising. The idea was to make people expect a genre tale, but stun them with more.

All of this is me saying that I believe House of Games may be one of the most influential films of the last 30 years. It's influence is underwritten, but the style of con it shows it has been duplicated in numerous films and TV shows. There is a level of normalcy to it all so House of Games has a tough time coming off as fresh today, but I still believe it's pretty good. The acting, writing and even direction are still quality.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: Pas on April 23, 2009, 02:19:28 PM
I like what you say about being very influential can make you...redundant for those who watch or listen or even read later.

The first reference that immediately came to mind is the character Sawyer in Lost and his con man story, very similar to house of games about ''owing money to the mob'' etc.

I finished the Spanish Prisonner and I found it much better, even though again the whole mystery was crystal clear except a few well done touches (the political asylum request to Venezuela etc).

Somehow I am always very entertained while I'm watching Mamet's films but will often be very critical of them afterward and even will think they sucked. When you look at how great and surprising the ending of Matchstick Men was, the twists of con movies like Spanish Prisoner and House of Games is really disappointing.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: pete on April 24, 2009, 10:04:30 PM
I dunno - I feel like The Sting and The Mission: Impossible tv series, as well as noirs like Night and the City have all had bigger influences on the small but noticeable con genre.  And most of all of the movies take notes from "The Big Con: Story of the Confidence Man" anyways - it's a book about the big time grifters written in the 40s that all screenwriters read.  After reading it you realize that most of these stories come straight out of a chapter in the book.
I just bought another Mamet book.  I loved RedBelt and I love his books - his opinions sometimes are very flawed but I like checking against them regularly to see where my materials and approaches stand.  for example, when I was freaking out about the short film I shot earlier this year I checked against Bambi vs. Godzilla to see if I was full of shit or if my script was full of shit.  The book said I wasn't, I hope I wasn't.  You guys can be the judge in a few months.  Or if you're impatient, PM me.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 24, 2009, 10:41:39 PM
Quote from: pete on April 24, 2009, 10:04:30 PM
I dunno - I feel like The Sting and The Mission: Impossible tv series, as well as noirs like Night and the City have all had bigger influences on the small but noticeable con genre.

I was conscious of those films and TV show, but the reason I still quoted House of Games as more influential is because it had the new dramatic aspects of the con film that made it so rife for copycats today. House of Games has all the modern aspects of con psychology. The Sting still feels unique because of its innocence and tone to the con. It was a throwback to the 1930s. I also don't necessarily see Night and the City as a con film on the same level. There is one in the plot, but it doesn't override the whole plot the way it does in the Sting and others.

Obviously I speak with some limitation because I don't know the book you quote and say is influential. It very well could be, but for my two cents, the mold I see in House of Games is what permeates through most modern con films. But I'm not a historian on the subject so don't want to be forceful with my opinion. I'll more likely yield to you with the book reference and interest in the subject.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: JG on April 25, 2009, 12:14:48 AM
mamet's books are great. i constantly find myself returning to on directing film, and three uses of the knife.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: pete on April 25, 2009, 01:17:47 AM
fuck I have to buy those too?  fuck.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 25, 2009, 02:04:06 AM
Quote from: pete on April 25, 2009, 01:17:47 AM
fuck I have to buy those too?  fuck.

I dislike On Directing Film a lot. It maintains that you should put Eisenstein on a pedestal. Some pointers in the text are good, but it's insanely conservative with the freedom of expression.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: pete on April 25, 2009, 11:28:53 AM
all of his stuff is quite conservative.  in the latest one he went on to shoot down people's protesting of racism and sexism in the industry.  but I like the austerity of his principles, which are entirely different from how I look at things, and I like checking against them.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: pete on April 27, 2009, 01:27:17 AM
I don't think one should read his books when one is still young and impressionable - a lot of his opinions are formed as reactions to occurrences he deems unjust.  However, a young person with no familiarity with method acting or the coverage writing process shouldn't be prematurely riled up by the system.  It should serve as a comfort for those who are in the shits and slugging it out; the struggling Hollywood actors and crew members.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: JG on April 28, 2009, 10:04:50 PM
i wouldn't disagree with that. i think it varies from book to book, but you've gotta move past a lot of pomp to get to the good stuff, but there is definitely good stuff. specifically parts of chapter 2, "where to put the camera," though i should say i haven't read the book in its entirety since i was "young and impressionable" (maybe i still am). dude puts eisenstein on a pedestal for sure, but there's stuff to be mined from all of the books of his that i've read.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: pete on July 18, 2009, 02:02:43 PM
jesus, how many girls sell out their men in his movies?  everytime I watch his films I recall what my dad said when we saw our first mamet - it's always the girl.  and I hate how right he is.  I just watched another movie where I knew from the very beginning that it was gonna be the girl.  he's got airtight plot everytime except he always fudged it with the girl. 
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: SiliasRuby on August 01, 2009, 04:44:05 PM
I went on a Mamet marathon recently and was throughly impressed. One of my favorite writers of all time. His book about hollywood was quite insightful and honest. I have yet to see 'Things Change' and 'Homocide', but I've swallowed everything else. I want more of his stuff. In fact I demand it.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: MacGuffin on August 12, 2009, 01:12:25 AM
Mamet, Disney Team On Frank Tale
Source: Variety

Disney has acquired the rights to film a new version of "The Diary of Anne Frank."  The film will be written and directed by Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright David Mamet.

Mamet will produce with Andrew Braunsberg.

Mamet will use the famed diary, and the original play by Albert Hackett and Frances Goodrich, to tell the story of the young jewish girl who hid with her family from the Nazis in the an attic in Amsterdam. Mamet brings his own original take on the material that could re-frame the story as a young girl's right of passage.

Braunsberg is best known for producing "Being There," and he spent a year gathering the rights from the Anne Frank Estate, and the estates of Hackett and Goodrich. He met with ICM's John Burnham, who recommended Mamet. Mamet sparked to the opportunity tell the story, and he is already writing the script. 

Hackett and Goodrich also wrote the script for the 1959 George Stevens-directed film, which was nominated for eight Oscars and won three.

Mamet, who last wrote and directed the Chiwetel Ejiofor-starrer "Redbelt," makes his Broadway debut as director in December when he opens his new play "Race." A production of Mamet's play "Oleanna" also moves to New York from L.A. with Bill Pullman and Julia Stiles starring. The Atlantic Theater Co., which Mamet formed with William H. Macy, is bring Mamet's comic play "Keep Your Pantheon" to Atlantic's off-Broadway theater. The play is expected to include a new short Mamet work, called "School."
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: Gold Trumpet on August 12, 2009, 11:11:34 AM
Cool news. I've been wanting to read The Diary of Anne Frank lately because I've been getting into Jewish-European history. Amos Elon provided that interest for myself, but David Mamet needs a story that will not tempt his genre inclinations and Diary of Anne Frank could be it.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: pete on August 12, 2009, 11:27:22 AM
he loved the old anne frank movie.  I know that.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: SiliasRuby on September 08, 2009, 09:29:06 PM
Just saw 'Homicide' and its perhaps his most subtle, least crime filled movie in that it doesn't have a lot of double crosses or many shoot outs. Its definitely mamet and its possibly his best film. It deals a lot with the Jews, Jewish culture and Jewish history. Really great film.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: MacGuffin on September 24, 2009, 06:24:15 PM
Mamet's Anne Frank in Turnaround from Disney
Source: The Wrap

When it seemed as if "The Diary of Anne Frank" was going to be remade, that sounded like it could be a Disney movie.

But when adapted by provocateur playwright and filmmaker David Mamet as a pro-Israel exploration of anti-Semitism movie set in contemporary times – the project became less likely to be made by the Walt Disney Company.

And so it has gone. Developed by the studio's chief of production, Oren Aviv, the project was recently rejected by the studio as "too dark" and put in turnaround, according to people involved.

The writer who took on ethnic politics in the play "Race," and sexual politics in works like "Oleanna," takes on modern anti-Semitism in "The Diary of Anne Frank."

But the screenplay is not a retelling of the famous Holocaust drama taken from the diaries of Frank, but about a contemporary Jewish girl who goes to Israel and learns about the traumas of suicide bombing.

With the studio in a state of limbo after the ouster of chairman Dick Cook, it is unlikely that any projects will be getting the go-ahead at the moment, say executives doing business there.

"It's very intense, and dark and scary," said the executive. "It's not a film version of 'The Diary of Anne Frank.' The story evolved into something more intense."
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: ©brad on September 24, 2009, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on September 24, 2009, 06:24:15 PM"It's very intense, and dark and scary," said the executive. "It's not a film version of 'The Diary of Anne Frank.'

Hah right, because her life was actually really sweet and calm, fun even. 

Fuck you Disney.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: pete on September 24, 2009, 10:22:05 PM
but to be fair, mamet has pretty a fucked up (read conservative) view of gender and racial politics.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: Pas on March 07, 2010, 03:44:50 PM
Please someone explain me the end of Homicide! Cant find the explanation online :-S
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: polkablues on March 24, 2010, 05:57:57 PM
Say what you you will about Mamet's fascist tendencies, the man understands dramatic storytelling.  This is a memo he wrote to the writers of The Unit (which he created... you probably already knew that), basically filling them in on everything they're doing wrong.  Everyone who wants to be a screenwriter when they grow up would do well to read this.

TO THE WRITERS OF THE UNIT

GREETINGS.

AS WE LEARN HOW TO WRITE THIS SHOW, A RECURRING PROBLEM BECOMES CLEAR.

THE PROBLEM IS THIS: TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN *DRAMA* AND NON-DRAMA. LET ME BREAK-IT-DOWN-NOW.

EVERYONE IN CREATION IS SCREAMING AT US TO MAKE THE SHOW CLEAR. WE ARE TASKED WITH, IT SEEMS, CRAMMING A SHITLOAD OF *INFORMATION* INTO A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

OUR FRIENDS. THE PENGUINS, THINK THAT WE, THEREFORE, ARE EMPLOYED TO COMMUNICATE *INFORMATION* — AND, SO, AT TIMES, IT SEEMS TO US.

BUT NOTE:THE AUDIENCE WILL NOT TUNE IN TO WATCH INFORMATION. YOU WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T. NO ONE WOULD OR WILL. THE AUDIENCE WILL ONLY TUNE IN AND STAY TUNED TO WATCH DRAMA.

QUESTION:WHAT IS DRAMA? DRAMA, AGAIN, IS THE QUEST OF THE HERO TO OVERCOME THOSE THINGS WHICH PREVENT HIM FROM ACHIEVING A SPECIFIC, *ACUTE* GOAL.

SO: WE, THE WRITERS, MUST ASK OURSELVES *OF EVERY SCENE* THESE THREE QUESTIONS.

1) WHO WANTS WHAT?
2) WHAT HAPPENS IF HER DON'T GET IT?
3) WHY NOW?

THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS ARE LITMUS PAPER. APPLY THEM, AND THEIR ANSWER WILL TELL YOU IF THE SCENE IS DRAMATIC OR NOT.

IF THE SCENE IS NOT DRAMATICALLY WRITTEN, IT WILL NOT BE DRAMATICALLY ACTED.

THERE IS NO MAGIC FAIRY DUST WHICH WILL MAKE A BORING, USELESS, REDUNDANT, OR MERELY INFORMATIVE SCENE AFTER IT LEAVES YOUR TYPEWRITER. *YOU* THE WRITERS, ARE IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE *EVERY* SCENE IS DRAMATIC.

THIS MEANS ALL THE "LITTLE" EXPOSITIONAL SCENES OF TWO PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT A THIRD. THIS BUSHWAH (AND WE ALL TEND TO WRITE IT ON THE FIRST DRAFT) IS LESS THAN USELESS, SHOULD IT FINALLY, GOD FORBID, GET FILMED.

IF THE SCENE BORES YOU WHEN YOU READ IT, REST ASSURED IT *WILL* BORE THE ACTORS, AND WILL, THEN, BORE THE AUDIENCE, AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE BACK IN THE BREADLINE.

SOMEONE HAS TO MAKE THE SCENE DRAMATIC. IT IS NOT THE ACTORS JOB (THE ACTORS JOB IS TO BE TRUTHFUL). IT IS NOT THE DIRECTORS JOB. HIS OR HER JOB IS TO FILM IT STRAIGHTFORWARDLY AND REMIND THE ACTORS TO TALK FAST. IT IS *YOUR* JOB.

EVERY SCENE MUST BE DRAMATIC. THAT MEANS: THE MAIN CHARACTER MUST HAVE A SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD, PRESSING NEED WHICH IMPELS HIM OR HER TO SHOW UP IN THE SCENE.

THIS NEED IS WHY THEY *CAME*. IT IS WHAT THE SCENE IS ABOUT. THEIR ATTEMPT TO GET THIS NEED MET *WILL* LEAD, AT THE END OF THE SCENE,TO *FAILURE* – THIS IS HOW THE SCENE IS *OVER*. IT, THIS FAILURE, WILL, THEN, OF NECESSITY, PROPEL US INTO THE *NEXT* SCENE.

ALL THESE ATTEMPTS, TAKEN TOGETHER, WILL, OVER THE COURSE OF THE EPISODE, CONSTITUTE THE *PLOT*.

ANY SCENE, THUS, WHICH DOES NOT BOTH ADVANCE THE PLOT, AND STANDALONE (THAT IS, DRAMATICALLY, BY ITSELF, ON ITS OWN MERITS) IS EITHER SUPERFLUOUS, OR INCORRECTLY WRITTEN.

YES BUT YES BUT YES BUT, YOU SAY: WHAT ABOUT THE NECESSITY OF WRITING IN ALL THAT "INFORMATION?"

AND I RESPOND "*FIGURE IT OUT*" ANY DICKHEAD WITH A BLUESUIT CAN BE (AND IS) TAUGHT TO SAY "MAKE IT CLEARER", AND "I WANT TO KNOW MORE *ABOUT* HIM".

WHEN YOU'VE MADE IT SO CLEAR THAT EVEN THIS BLUESUITED PENGUIN IS HAPPY, BOTH YOU AND HE OR SHE *WILL* BE OUT OF A JOB.

THE JOB OF THE DRAMATIST IS TO MAKE THE AUDIENCE WONDER WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. *NOT* TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT JUST HAPPENED, OR TO*SUGGEST* TO THEM WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

ANY DICKHEAD, AS ABOVE, CAN WRITE, "BUT, JIM, IF WE DON'T ASSASSINATE THE PRIME MINISTER IN THE NEXT SCENE, ALL EUROPE WILL BE ENGULFED IN FLAME"

WE ARE NOT GETTING PAID TO *REALIZE* THAT THE AUDIENCE NEEDS THIS INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND THE NEXT SCENE, BUT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WRITE THE SCENE BEFORE US SUCH THAT THE AUDIENCE WILL BE INTERESTED IN WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

YES BUT, YES BUT YES *BUT* YOU REITERATE.

AND I RESPOND *FIGURE IT OUT*.

*HOW* DOES ONE STRIKE THE BALANCE BETWEEN WITHHOLDING AND VOUCHSAFING INFORMATION? *THAT* IS THE ESSENTIAL TASK OF THE DRAMATIST. AND THE ABILITY TO *DO* THAT IS WHAT SEPARATES YOU FROM THE LESSER SPECIES IN THEIR BLUE SUITS.

FIGURE IT OUT.

START, EVERY TIME, WITH THIS INVIOLABLE RULE: THE *SCENE MUST BE DRAMATIC*. it must start because the hero HAS A PROBLEM, AND IT MUST CULMINATE WITH THE HERO FINDING HIM OR HERSELF EITHER THWARTED OR EDUCATED THAT ANOTHER WAY EXISTS.

LOOK AT YOUR LOG LINES. ANY LOGLINE READING "BOB AND SUE DISCUSS..." IS NOT DESCRIBING A DRAMATIC SCENE.

PLEASE NOTE THAT OUR OUTLINES ARE, GENERALLY, SPECTACULAR. THE DRAMA FLOWS OUT BETWEEN THE OUTLINE AND THE FIRST DRAFT.

THINK LIKE A FILMMAKER RATHER THAN A FUNCTIONARY, BECAUSE, IN TRUTH, *YOU* ARE MAKING THE FILM. WHAT YOU WRITE, THEY WILL SHOOT.

HERE ARE THE DANGER SIGNALS. ANY TIME TWO CHARACTERS ARE TALKING ABOUT A THIRD, THE SCENE IS A CROCK OF SHIT.

ANY TIME ANY CHARACTER IS SAYING TO ANOTHER "AS YOU KNOW", THAT IS, TELLING ANOTHER CHARACTER WHAT YOU, THE WRITER, NEED THE AUDIENCE TO KNOW, THE SCENE IS A CROCK OF SHIT.

DO *NOT* WRITE A CROCK OF SHIT. WRITE A RIPPING THREE, FOUR, SEVEN MINUTE SCENE WHICH MOVES THE STORY ALONG, AND YOU CAN, VERY SOON, BUY A HOUSE IN BEL AIR *AND* HIRE SOMEONE TO LIVE THERE FOR YOU.

REMEMBER YOU ARE WRITING FOR A VISUAL MEDIUM. *MOST* TELEVISION WRITING, OURS INCLUDED, SOUNDS LIKE *RADIO*. THE *CAMERA* CAN DO THE EXPLAINING FOR YOU. *LET* IT. WHAT ARE THE CHARACTERS *DOING* -*LITERALLY*. WHAT ARE THEY HANDLING, WHAT ARE THEY READING. WHAT ARE THEY WATCHING ON TELEVISION, WHAT ARE THEY *SEEING*.

IF YOU PRETEND THE CHARACTERS CANT SPEAK, AND WRITE A SILENT MOVIE, YOU WILL BE WRITING GREAT DRAMA.

IF YOU DEPRIVE YOURSELF OF THE CRUTCH OF NARRATION, EXPOSITION,INDEED, OF *SPEECH*. YOU WILL BE FORGED TO WORK IN A NEW MEDIUM - TELLING THE STORY IN PICTURES (ALSO KNOWN AS SCREENWRITING)

THIS IS A NEW SKILL. NO ONE DOES IT NATURALLY. YOU CAN TRAIN YOURSELVES TO DO IT, BUT YOU NEED TO *START*.

I CLOSE WITH THE ONE THOUGHT: LOOK AT THE *SCENE* AND ASK YOURSELF "IS IT DRAMATIC? IS IT *ESSENTIAL*? DOES IT ADVANCE THE PLOT?

ANSWER TRUTHFULLY.

IF THE ANSWER IS "NO" WRITE IT AGAIN OR THROW IT OUT. IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, CALL ME UP.

LOVE, DAVE MAMET
SANTA MONICA 19 OCTO 05

(IT IS *NOT* YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THE ANSWERS, BUT IT IS YOUR, AND MY, RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW AND TO *ASK THE RIGHT Questions* OVER AND OVER. UNTIL IT BECOMES SECOND NATURE. I BELIEVE THEY ARE LISTED ABOVE.)
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: matt35mm on March 24, 2010, 07:47:27 PM
Quote from: polkablues on March 24, 2010, 05:57:57 PM
Say what you you will about Mamet's fascist tendencies, the man understands dramatic storytelling.  This is a memo he wrote to the writers of The Unit (which he created... you probably already knew that), basically filling them in on everything they're doing wrong.  Everyone who wants to be a screenwriter when they grow up would do well to read this.

TO THE WRITERS OF THE UNIT

GREETINGS.

AS WE LEARN HOW TO WRITE THIS SHOW, A RECURRING PROBLEM BECOMES CLEAR.

THE PROBLEM IS THIS: TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN *DRAMA* AND NON-DRAMA. LET ME BREAK-IT-DOWN-NOW.

EVERYONE IN CREATION IS SCREAMING AT US TO MAKE THE SHOW CLEAR. WE ARE TASKED WITH, IT SEEMS, CRAMMING A SHITLOAD OF *INFORMATION* INTO A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

OUR FRIENDS. THE PENGUINS, THINK THAT WE, THEREFORE, ARE EMPLOYED TO COMMUNICATE *INFORMATION* — AND, SO, AT TIMES, IT SEEMS TO US.

BUT NOTE:THE AUDIENCE WILL NOT TUNE IN TO WATCH INFORMATION. YOU WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T. NO ONE WOULD OR WILL. THE AUDIENCE WILL ONLY TUNE IN AND STAY TUNED TO WATCH DRAMA.

QUESTION:WHAT IS DRAMA? DRAMA, AGAIN, IS THE QUEST OF THE HERO TO OVERCOME THOSE THINGS WHICH PREVENT HIM FROM ACHIEVING A SPECIFIC, *ACUTE* GOAL.

SO: WE, THE WRITERS, MUST ASK OURSELVES *OF EVERY SCENE* THESE THREE QUESTIONS.

1) WHO WANTS WHAT?
2) WHAT HAPPENS IF HER DON'T GET IT?
3) WHY NOW?

THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS ARE LITMUS PAPER. APPLY THEM, AND THEIR ANSWER WILL TELL YOU IF THE SCENE IS DRAMATIC OR NOT.

IF THE SCENE IS NOT DRAMATICALLY WRITTEN, IT WILL NOT BE DRAMATICALLY ACTED.

THERE IS NO MAGIC FAIRY DUST WHICH WILL MAKE A BORING, USELESS, REDUNDANT, OR MERELY INFORMATIVE SCENE AFTER IT LEAVES YOUR TYPEWRITER. *YOU* THE WRITERS, ARE IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE *EVERY* SCENE IS DRAMATIC.

THIS MEANS ALL THE "LITTLE" EXPOSITIONAL SCENES OF TWO PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT A THIRD. THIS BUSHWAH (AND WE ALL TEND TO WRITE IT ON THE FIRST DRAFT) IS LESS THAN USELESS, SHOULD IT FINALLY, GOD FORBID, GET FILMED.

IF THE SCENE BORES YOU WHEN YOU READ IT, REST ASSURED IT *WILL* BORE THE ACTORS, AND WILL, THEN, BORE THE AUDIENCE, AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE BACK IN THE BREADLINE.

SOMEONE HAS TO MAKE THE SCENE DRAMATIC. IT IS NOT THE ACTORS JOB (THE ACTORS JOB IS TO BE TRUTHFUL). IT IS NOT THE DIRECTORS JOB. HIS OR HER JOB IS TO FILM IT STRAIGHTFORWARDLY AND REMIND THE ACTORS TO TALK FAST. IT IS *YOUR* JOB.

EVERY SCENE MUST BE DRAMATIC. THAT MEANS: THE MAIN CHARACTER MUST HAVE A SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD, PRESSING NEED WHICH IMPELS HIM OR HER TO SHOW UP IN THE SCENE.

THIS NEED IS WHY THEY *CAME*. IT IS WHAT THE SCENE IS ABOUT. THEIR ATTEMPT TO GET THIS NEED MET *WILL* LEAD, AT THE END OF THE SCENE,TO *FAILURE* – THIS IS HOW THE SCENE IS *OVER*. IT, THIS FAILURE, WILL, THEN, OF NECESSITY, PROPEL US INTO THE *NEXT* SCENE.

ALL THESE ATTEMPTS, TAKEN TOGETHER, WILL, OVER THE COURSE OF THE EPISODE, CONSTITUTE THE *PLOT*.

ANY SCENE, THUS, WHICH DOES NOT BOTH ADVANCE THE PLOT, AND STANDALONE (THAT IS, DRAMATICALLY, BY ITSELF, ON ITS OWN MERITS) IS EITHER SUPERFLUOUS, OR INCORRECTLY WRITTEN.

YES BUT YES BUT YES BUT, YOU SAY: WHAT ABOUT THE NECESSITY OF WRITING IN ALL THAT "INFORMATION?"

AND I RESPOND "*FIGURE IT OUT*" ANY DICKHEAD WITH A BLUESUIT CAN BE (AND IS) TAUGHT TO SAY "MAKE IT CLEARER", AND "I WANT TO KNOW MORE *ABOUT* HIM".

WHEN YOU'VE MADE IT SO CLEAR THAT EVEN THIS BLUESUITED PENGUIN IS HAPPY, BOTH YOU AND HE OR SHE *WILL* BE OUT OF A JOB.

THE JOB OF THE DRAMATIST IS TO MAKE THE AUDIENCE WONDER WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. *NOT* TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT JUST HAPPENED, OR TO*SUGGEST* TO THEM WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

ANY DICKHEAD, AS ABOVE, CAN WRITE, "BUT, JIM, IF WE DON'T ASSASSINATE THE PRIME MINISTER IN THE NEXT SCENE, ALL EUROPE WILL BE ENGULFED IN FLAME"

WE ARE NOT GETTING PAID TO *REALIZE* THAT THE AUDIENCE NEEDS THIS INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND THE NEXT SCENE, BUT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WRITE THE SCENE BEFORE US SUCH THAT THE AUDIENCE WILL BE INTERESTED IN WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

YES BUT, YES BUT YES *BUT* YOU REITERATE.

AND I RESPOND *FIGURE IT OUT*.

*HOW* DOES ONE STRIKE THE BALANCE BETWEEN WITHHOLDING AND VOUCHSAFING INFORMATION? *THAT* IS THE ESSENTIAL TASK OF THE DRAMATIST. AND THE ABILITY TO *DO* THAT IS WHAT SEPARATES YOU FROM THE LESSER SPECIES IN THEIR BLUE SUITS.

FIGURE IT OUT.

START, EVERY TIME, WITH THIS INVIOLABLE RULE: THE *SCENE MUST BE DRAMATIC*. it must start because the hero HAS A PROBLEM, AND IT MUST CULMINATE WITH THE HERO FINDING HIM OR HERSELF EITHER THWARTED OR EDUCATED THAT ANOTHER WAY EXISTS.

LOOK AT YOUR LOG LINES. ANY LOGLINE READING "BOB AND SUE DISCUSS..." IS NOT DESCRIBING A DRAMATIC SCENE.

PLEASE NOTE THAT OUR OUTLINES ARE, GENERALLY, SPECTACULAR. THE DRAMA FLOWS OUT BETWEEN THE OUTLINE AND THE FIRST DRAFT.

THINK LIKE A FILMMAKER RATHER THAN A FUNCTIONARY, BECAUSE, IN TRUTH, *YOU* ARE MAKING THE FILM. WHAT YOU WRITE, THEY WILL SHOOT.

HERE ARE THE DANGER SIGNALS. ANY TIME TWO CHARACTERS ARE TALKING ABOUT A THIRD, THE SCENE IS A CROCK OF SHIT.

ANY TIME ANY CHARACTER IS SAYING TO ANOTHER "AS YOU KNOW", THAT IS, TELLING ANOTHER CHARACTER WHAT YOU, THE WRITER, NEED THE AUDIENCE TO KNOW, THE SCENE IS A CROCK OF SHIT.

DO *NOT* WRITE A CROCK OF SHIT. WRITE A RIPPING THREE, FOUR, SEVEN MINUTE SCENE WHICH MOVES THE STORY ALONG, AND YOU CAN, VERY SOON, BUY A HOUSE IN BEL AIR *AND* HIRE SOMEONE TO LIVE THERE FOR YOU.

REMEMBER YOU ARE WRITING FOR A VISUAL MEDIUM. *MOST* TELEVISION WRITING, OURS INCLUDED, SOUNDS LIKE *RADIO*. THE *CAMERA* CAN DO THE EXPLAINING FOR YOU. *LET* IT. WHAT ARE THE CHARACTERS *DOING* -*LITERALLY*. WHAT ARE THEY HANDLING, WHAT ARE THEY READING. WHAT ARE THEY WATCHING ON TELEVISION, WHAT ARE THEY *SEEING*.

IF YOU PRETEND THE CHARACTERS CANT SPEAK, AND WRITE A SILENT MOVIE, YOU WILL BE WRITING GREAT DRAMA.

IF YOU DEPRIVE YOURSELF OF THE CRUTCH OF NARRATION, EXPOSITION,INDEED, OF *SPEECH*. YOU WILL BE FORGED TO WORK IN A NEW MEDIUM - TELLING THE STORY IN PICTURES (ALSO KNOWN AS SCREENWRITING)

THIS IS A NEW SKILL. NO ONE DOES IT NATURALLY. YOU CAN TRAIN YOURSELVES TO DO IT, BUT YOU NEED TO *START*.

I CLOSE WITH THE ONE THOUGHT: LOOK AT THE *SCENE* AND ASK YOURSELF "IS IT DRAMATIC? IS IT *ESSENTIAL*? DOES IT ADVANCE THE PLOT?

ANSWER TRUTHFULLY.

IF THE ANSWER IS "NO" WRITE IT AGAIN OR THROW IT OUT. IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, CALL ME UP.

LOVE, DAVE MAMET
SANTA MONICA 19 OCTO 05

(IT IS *NOT* YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THE ANSWERS, BUT IT IS YOUR, AND MY, RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW AND TO *ASK THE RIGHT Questions* OVER AND OVER. UNTIL IT BECOMES SECOND NATURE. I BELIEVE THEY ARE LISTED ABOVE.)


Yeah, that's been making the rounds on a lot of screenwriting blogs I frequent.  Thanks for posting it here.

It's a good read.  There's a lot of good advice there, and I'm mulling over what I want to take from it.  (Not that there's really anything new here that I haven't heard before, so it effectively serves more as a reminder of a fundamental idea.)  Frankly, though, I think Mamet has a good understanding of a very narrow idea of dramatic storytelling.  That's fine for what he does, although it rubs me slightly the wrong way when he uses this kind of authoritative tone--he hasn't really proven to me to be a comprehensive authority on anything but the Mamet-esque.  Hell, this thing reads not so differently from Alec Baldwin's speech in Glengarry Glen Ross.

When I say that he seems to have a good understanding of a very narrow idea of drama, I'm referring to popular Western drama from the past 200 years--a generally naturalistic, plot/character-based sort of thing, which has also become the dominant style in cinema.  This style is not even like the style of Ancient Greek Theater, as much as Aristotle's notion of plot is revered in the modern 3-act (screen)play.  Even Shakespeare doesn't entirely follow these rules (he follows different rules).  So any notion of "this is how you write (screen)plays" bothers me, because it was somewhere else 200 years ago and will be somewhere else 200 years from now--plus there have been great works that break these rules that have come out of the last 200 years alongside the current popular notion of drama.

My favorite plays and films range from the mainstream to those works that attempt to challenge this relatively recent framework for drama.  Much of the latter stuff SUCCEEDS in finding great drama outside of the narrow framework, some even eschewing the notion of moving from one scene to the next scene to the next, some finding meaning and drama from shape, movement, juxtaposition of images, sounds, rhythm, etc.  And I do mean that this is the source of the drama, not simply something there to enhance the drama.

The unfortunate thing about the dominance of today's mainstream notion of drama is that it ignores all of these other possibilities, resorting to the same devices again and again when something else would do better.  It has ignored a lot of the brilliant discoveries made by the makers of other sorts of dramatic works.  I haven't succeeded yet by any means, but my wish is to be able to create some works uses many different frameworks for the SOURCE of drama, pulled together in a sophisticated way.  Maybe when I'm 60.

With all that said, I still really appreciate this memo of Mamet's, because he's not wrong that a lot of scenes suffer from people sitting around talking about whatever, and by and large that happens not because the writer was trying to challenge the framework, but just out of laziness and lack of consideration.  And to be fair, this memo is directed toward particular writers on a particular show whose job it is to aim for this particular notion of drama.  It just led me to rant a little on something else entirely.  As far as this sort of drama goes, the man is right, and speaks from a place of great knowledge, backed by mountains of writing.  I sincerely respect that.

I especially agree with him that writers need to work at developing skills and ways of seeing things that do not come naturally.  When I sit down every day to write a journal of my thoughts in whatever way comes naturally, that is not the same kind of writing as the work that I need to be doing when I'm trying to create a dramatic work of any sort.  Some writers, probably especially new writers, DO do this, perhaps feeling like it is more "honest."  I value the hunt for honesty in art, but it has to be honest about something interesting, which one has to build with skills that don't come naturally.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: polkablues on March 24, 2010, 08:20:06 PM
That's a good point.  It's really more advice on how to successfully write for mainstream commercial television or film than some sort of authoritative word on how all writing should be done.  But with that caveat, it's very spot-on and to the point, and most of the general message of the specific points can be applied to strengthen any sort of narrative writing.

I also liked when he called television executives "the penguins".
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: I Love a Magician on March 24, 2010, 08:50:54 PM
Quote from: matt35mm on March 24, 2010, 07:47:27 PMYeah, that's been making the rounds on a lot of screenwriting blogs I frequent.  Thanks for posting it here.

hook me up
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: matt35mm on March 24, 2010, 09:41:51 PM
Just posted them here:

http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10580.msg289456;topicseen#msg289456
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: I Love a Magician on March 24, 2010, 09:46:49 PM
thanks
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: ono on June 10, 2010, 05:17:11 PM
I don't know where to put this.  There are no words.  This is just bizarre (not even particularly funny, but you'll be the judge of that).  So I present Ricky Jay presenting Lost Masterpieces of Pornography (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3027b4bcf2/david-mamet-s-lost-masterpieces-of-pornography-w-kristen-bell-ed-o-neill-ricky-jay?rel=player)  Written by David Mamet, with Kristen Bell, and Ed O'Neill.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: RegularKarate on June 10, 2010, 05:55:18 PM
yeah, I saw that last week... was really surprised and then really bored.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: polkablues on June 10, 2010, 06:40:10 PM
It should have been 1/3 the length they made it. Oh, and it should have been funny.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: MacGuffin on May 23, 2011, 03:54:51 PM
Bette Midler & Jeffrey Tambor Join Al Pacino Starring, David Mamet Directed HBO Phil Spector Project
Source: The Playlist

First revealed last year, this is one of those projects that seemed too good to be true and when word around it died as quickly as it arrived, we figured that it wasn't coming along. Guess we were (thankfully) wrong. Variety reports that Bette Midler and Jeffrey Tambor have both come aboard what will surely be a highly charged HBO film about legendary music producer and convicted murderer Phil Spector. Penned by David Mamet who will also direct, with Al Pacino taking on the lead role (amazing), the film will chronicle the relationship between Spector and his defence attorney Linda Kenney Baden (Midler). Tambor will play Bruce Cutler, another member of the defence team. Spector was put on trial in 2007 for the murder of actress/model Lana Clarkson. The first trail ended in a mistrial, but the second he was found guilty and sentenced to 19 years to life in prison. The Spector case (and his hair) was certainly one of the most high profile celebrity cases in recent memory and one both bizarre and tragic. The though of Pacino taking on the role gives us goosebumps and it will be interesting to see if Mamet employs his trademarked pacing of dialogue to the film. Pacino is an old hand at working with Mamet's words, with his memorable turn in "Glengarry Glen Ross" but Midler and Tambor may be in for a crash course. The project is still said to be "in development" but with a cast like this coming together, that status is likely to change very soon.
Title: Re: MAMET
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 23, 2011, 09:28:45 PM
intrigued and happy about this project
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Post by: MacGuffin on August 21, 2012, 06:49:24 PM
David Mamet To Reboot 'Have Gun – Will Travel' For CBS
BY NELLIE ANDREEVA | Deadline

CBS has put in development Have Gun – Will Travel, a reboot of the 1957 CBS Western drama, to be penned by writer/director/playwright David Mamet. Mamet is set to direct the potential pilot, which will be produced by CBS TV Studios. He is executive producing with agent-turned-producer Elliott Webb.

Have Gun – Will Travel, whose title plays on a line commonly used in personal ads, aired on CBS from 1957 through 1963 and also spawned a successful radio version. Its producers included Frank Pierson, and one of its main writers was Gene Roddenberry who would go on to create Star Trek. Created by Sam Rolfe and Herb Meadow, Have Gun starred Richard Boone as Paladin, a top-notch gunfighter who preferred to settle problems without violence but stood his ground when provoked.

Have Gun – Will Travel brings Oscar-nominated writer and Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright Mamet back to CBS where he created his only TV series to date, military drama The Unit, which ran for four seasons. ICM Partners-repped Mamet most recently wrote the upcoming HBO Phil Spector movie starring Al Pacino and Helen Mirren. This is the second classic series CBS is looking to reboot along with The Brady Bunch, whose revamp is produced by Vince Vaughn.
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Post by: MacGuffin on February 04, 2013, 10:48:53 PM
Phil Spector trailer


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Post by: wilder on September 07, 2013, 03:44:51 PM
Toronto: The Solution Nabs Overseas Rights To David Mamet's 'Blackbird'
via Deadline

The Pulitzer winner's next directorial project starring Cate Blanchett will be presented to international buyers in Toronto by The Solution Entertainment Group, the company founders said today. "Blackbird promises to be a nail-biting thriller in the hands of the talented David Mamet and the exceptional Cate Blanchett in the lead role. We're delighted to be on board the project in Toronto," said The Solution's Lisa Wilson and Myles Nestel. SBS Productions and ICM will handle domestic rights; The film is being financed and produced by Saïd Ben Saïd's Paris-based SBS. Blackbird follows Janet (Blanchett) as she travels to her Hollywood VFX artist grandfather's funeral. She soon learns that her relative also did sidework for Special Forces and the Intelligence community — secrets that now put her life in danger. Blackbird is scheduled to start filming in Sydney in January. Mamet is repped by ICM Partners. Blanchett is repped by CAA.

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Post by: wilder on May 15, 2023, 05:01:59 AM
Viggo Mortensen, Shia LaBeouf, Courtney Love Board David Mamet's JFK Thriller 'Assassination'
Variety

David Mamet's JFK assassination thriller is taking shape, with Courtney Love, Viggo Mortensen, Shia LaBeouf, Al Pacino and John Travolta joining the cast.

The newly titled "Assassination" (the pic was previously called "2 Days/1963") will be presented to buyers at the film market in Cannes this week, with Arclight Films handling international sales.

Here's the official synopsis for the project: "1963. During a crucial justice hearing against organized crime, the head of the Chicago mob orders the assassination of President John F. Kennedy Jr., creating a deadly conspiracy while altering the fate of a nation."

Directed by Pulitzer Prize winner and Oscar nominee Mamet ("Heist," "Wag the Dog"), the film is written by Mamet and Nicholas Celozzi, who based the script on his great uncle, the Chicago mob boss Sam Giancana, who may have played a significant role in orchestrating Kennedy's assassination.

Previous reports about the film have indicated that it will focus on events that took place 48 hours before the assassination, telling the mob's version of the story. Celozzi based the material on details shared by his late uncle Pepe (Giancana's brother), who suggested that the mob's hand in the assassination was payback for the president's alleged snubbing of Giancana and his campaign against organized crime, despite his reliance on the mob during elections.

Oscar-winning director of photography Robert Elswitt ("There Will Be Blood"), who previously collaborated with Mamet as well as Paul Thomas Anderson, is the film's cinematographer.

The pic is produced by Corey Large and Celozzi. Executive producers are John Burnham, Arclight Films' Gary Hamilton and Pia Patatian, Jordan Nott, Bernie Gewissler and Amar Balaggan. 308 Enterprises is financing the project.

Production is scheduled to start in September in Vancouver.