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Question: Who likes Ratner?
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Jon on April 02, 2003, 08:54:55 AM
We all know about Ratner's comment "I know that PTA was stealing from 'I Am Cuba', I know everything he does!" thing (I hope).

Well, we got a new one boys.

Got the Red Dragon "Director's Edition".

There's a part in the "A Director's Journey" (in no way does this compare to "That Moment") where he's whispering something to the on set photographer (I'm guessing while their doing...something else...on set) and I heard "Paul Thomas Anderson".

I rewound, and he was telling the photographer how he took "that one picture of Paul Thomas Anderson, you know, the one where it's just his face" (does a square around his own.) "That was so great!"

Then: "...Can you take one of me like that?"

The camera guy is a little weirded out by the fact, but he does it.

And Ratner is a happy man.

Watching him direct...ech. He can't. He does have a lot of energy. Just...no good.

Sigh.

Poor old Brett wants to be respected. :(
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: MacGuffin on April 02, 2003, 08:59:53 AM
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Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 02, 2003, 11:12:05 AM
thats kind of sad. i wonder if he plays dress up at home and pretends that hes PTA in the mirror. he'll have to lose a few pouds. boo hoo.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Pwaybloe on April 02, 2003, 11:28:15 AM
Quote from: cowboykurtisthats kind of sad. i wonder if he plays dress up at home and pretends that hes PTA in the mirror. he'll have to lose a few pouds. boo hoo.

Yeah, and then he starts pouting in front of the mirror and petting Princess saying, "Would you fuck me?  Would you fuck me?"
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Disco Stu on April 02, 2003, 11:37:08 AM
Ratner is a no-talent hack.  Not only did he criticize Michael Mann while making Red Dragon but there is nothing about the film that stands out.  It's half Manhunter and half Silence of the Lambs.  There is nothing original.  He rips off the same shots Demme used and the same scenes Mann used.  And yes, he did just listen to the commentary on Boogie Nights in attempting to express his extensive film knowledge.  

And how is this fucking loser getting these directing gigs like Red Dragon (which he failed on) and Superman (which he thankfully dropped out of).  Is it because the studios know he has no talent and will do whatever they say?
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 02, 2003, 01:19:58 PM
the reason he gets to direct film like red dragon is because his films make money. whether or not hes a hack is comepletely inconsequential.  as long as one's films turn out a profit they're the golden boy.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: BonBon85 on April 02, 2003, 02:53:57 PM
Time for more Ratner bashing!

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Q. And what about Christopher Reeve, will he get a cameo?
A. I've had a lot of people ask me. That would be nice. I don't know what he could do – he's kind of capacitated.

Q. Can you tell me a bit about Edward Norton?
A.  He's very intellectual – I can't hold a conversation with him. He reads so much into everything, and I was just like 'say the fucking lines'.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: phil marlowe on April 02, 2003, 03:01:14 PM
will i get my balls kicked if i said that red dragon was kinda...good?
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Pedro on April 02, 2003, 04:21:11 PM
Quote from: Phil Marlowewill i get my balls kicked if i said that red dragon was kinda...good?

Yes
::kicks Phil in the balls::
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 02, 2003, 06:32:56 PM
brett ratner says he could beat kubrick in a game of chess. thats how brilliant he is.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Victor on April 02, 2003, 07:07:26 PM
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FUCK. FUCK FUCK FUCK MOTHERFUCKER, MOTHER FUCKING FUCK FUCKER. LOOK AT HIM. LOOK AT THIS FUCKING CLOWN BITCH ASS FUCK SHITTING CRAP FACE. I HATE HIM, I HATE HIS FUCKING COCKY ASS GUTS. MOTHERFUCKER THE ONLY THING YOU COULD BEAT KUBRICK IN IS A RIM-JOB CONTEST, CUZ YOU LICKED EVERY BROWN-EYE IN TOWN WORTH LICKING TO GET YOUR SHIT WHERE YOU ARE BITCH. JUST QUIT IT, QUIT TALKING. SHUT THE FUCK UP. SHUT SHUT SHUT SHUT SHUT SHUT UP. SHUT UP. YOU FUCK. YOU FUCKING PEICE OF FUCK.

could i be a PA for your next movie?
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: soixante on April 02, 2003, 07:55:11 PM
Brett Ratner is an actor of some repute -- he plays a filmmaker named "Brett Ratner" in James Toback's "Black and White."
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Duck Sauce on April 02, 2003, 10:23:56 PM
Id like to see a PTA - RATNER rivalry, seems like it would be cool.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Jon on April 02, 2003, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: BonBon85
Q. And what about Christopher Reeve, will he get a cameo?
A. I've had a lot of people ask me. That would be nice. I don't know what he could do – he's kind of capacitated.

Q. Can you tell me a bit about Edward Norton?
A.  He's very intellectual – I can't hold a conversation with him. He reads so much into everything, and I was just like 'say the fucking lines'.

This guy...

I'm watching the doc over again, and when Norton's talking to Rat about "staring", fucking Rat almost brushes him off.

Then when Hopkins is talking about how symbolically Ed's heart is full of courage, Rat changes the subject while acting like he agrees.

Looks like Fiennes ignores him.

If he can make it I sure as fuck can.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 02, 2003, 10:48:23 PM
I wonder if there is a Brett Ratner message board where they all complain about people like PTA who think they are so fucking artsy and such.

~rougerum
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: MacGuffin on April 02, 2003, 11:05:13 PM
Quote from: JonIf he can make it I sure as fuck can.

Watch his student film and you'll not only think that, but truly believe it.


Fiennes' outtake about Michael Jackson was hilarious.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: oakmanc234 on April 03, 2003, 12:12:14 AM
You have to remember that this is a guy who made it big in Hollywood with his Chris Tucker comedies.

He's not even in PTA's breathing zone.

But I liked 'Red Dragon'. Lucky for him he was blessed with such a cast, which featured two PTA players (PTA wannabe motherf***).
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Sigur Rós on April 03, 2003, 12:32:25 AM
I sense a lot of hate in this room  :twisted:
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: oakmanc234 on April 03, 2003, 12:36:03 AM
I dont hate him. But when someones a PTA wannabe mother***, they're a PTA wannabe mother f***.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: ©brad on April 03, 2003, 04:34:01 AM
reading a ratner interview is like putting a needle in your eye, especially if you are trying to make it in Hollywood. It's like, "how the fuck could this asshole make it and I can't?"
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Newtron on April 03, 2003, 06:56:38 AM
The basic reason Ratner sucks so much is that he has NOTHING to say, is obviously all about the money, but acts like he has artistic merit. Making more Rush Hours ain't helpin'.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: cowboykurtis on April 03, 2003, 12:40:26 PM
i saw an interview with A. Hopkins -- he said Rattner was the most enjoyable to work with out of the 3 -- obviously the other 2 being ridley scott and jonathan demme. Hopkinsis either very old and doesnt know what hes saying, or he got paid off. i cant imagine rattner would be more stimulating to work with then ridley scott or jonathan demme. i never paid attention to brett rattner before this thread -- you guys are making me dislike him more and more everday.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: atticus jones on April 03, 2003, 01:16:04 PM
he is not old and definitely one of the most articulate men in this biz...tony's comments dont really surprise me...i mean...i believe all the folks on set were in awe of him and that awesome response would really put anyone in a positive state...you know what i mean...but anyway...i had dinner with some friends and was speaking to the camera operator on the project who relayed to me some intersting set "stuff"... edno and brat ner had a creative ego masturbatory tiff butt apparently when tony arrived the red sea parted and all shut the fuck up to watch the man do his thing...not that surprising really...look, rat is a fan of films and has learned to execute at a competent level...im not complimenting and im not condemning...jus sayin that fans usually are alot tougher on folks than contemporaries...you know what i mean...for what its worth...
aspiring filmmakers here should focus more energy on their own shit rather than the shit of others...oh damn...did i say that?...anyway...talk to you later...

atticus jones
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: polkablues on April 03, 2003, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: miss jonesaspiring filmmakers here should focus more energy on their own shit rather than the shit of others...oh damn...did i say that?...anyway...talk to you later...

atticus jones

What the... but... you mean this isn't Ain't it Cool News?
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: RegularKarate on April 03, 2003, 03:31:49 PM
Quote from: miss joneshe is not old and definitely one of the most articulate men in this biz...tony's comments dont really surprise me...i mean...i believe all the folks on set were in awe of him and that awesome response would really put anyone in a positive state...you know what i mean...but anyway...i had dinner with some friends and was speaking to the camera operator on the project who relayed to me some intersting set "stuff"... edno and brat ner had a creative ego masturbatory tiff butt apparently when tony arrived the red sea parted and all shut the fuck up to watch the man do his thing...not that surprising really...look, rat is a fan of films and has learned to execute at a competent level...im not complimenting and im not condemning...jus sayin that fans usually are alot tougher on folks than contemporaries...you know what i mean...for what its worth...
aspiring filmmakers here should focus more energy on their own shit rather than the shit of others...oh damn...did i say that?...anyway...talk to you later...

atticus jones

Ummm, that didn't rhyme
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: cine on April 03, 2003, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtisi saw an interview with A. Hopkins -- he said Rattner was the most enjoyable to work with out of the 3 -- obviously the other 2 being ridley scott and jonathan demme. Hopkinsis either very old and doesnt know what hes saying, or he got paid off. i cant imagine rattner would be more stimulating to work with then ridley scott or jonathan demme. i never paid attention to brett rattner before this thread -- you guys are making me dislike him more and more everday.

I don't think it was that he was old or that he was paid off at all. I suspect Hopkins found him to be the most enjoyable probably because HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO MUCH. All Ratner did was rip off Demme for the most part.. so essentially what directing did he have to do for Hopkins? It was a cake walk for AH because he was thinking, "been there, done that"
Thats my take on it at least.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Ernie on April 03, 2003, 04:35:53 PM
Quote from: Jon
If he can make it I sure as fuck can.

Hell yeah, I never even thought of it that way. That's awesome, thank you for saying that. I feel the same way. I've been looking for something to get my confidence up. I hadn't heard too much of the guy before this thread. Sounds like a real fucking idiot. Lester said it best...I should have quoted that whole thing...the bastard should just quit while nobody's heard of him. A pta/ratner rivalry would be the best thing ever though, Duck Sauce is also right. The guy is just a fuck. He sounds a lot like that senior I was talking about in my film study class actually...trying to like "real" film and all that. Rush Hour sucks dick, he screwed himself out of ever being a serious filmmaker if he made them...really now.

Oh yeah,
I must see his student film! I wanna see how little talent he has without the explosions and the fight scenes and the bad screenplay.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: RegularKarate on April 03, 2003, 04:45:49 PM
Quote from: ebeaman69
Oh yeah,
I must see his student film! I wanna see how little talent he has without the explosions and the fight scenes and the bad screenplay.
Don't go dissin' Ted Tally now.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: atticus jones on April 03, 2003, 05:05:11 PM
your confidence increases based on the criticism of another?...are you not the perfect product of the manipulative bullshit brainwashing of reality television? ...one day you may realize that having talent has as much to do with "making it" as having a cock has to do with getting laid...i dream of a world where our insecurities manifest themselves in art rather than commerce...in peace rather than war...in love rather than fear...

regretfully yours,

a fellow hue mang
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Cecil on April 03, 2003, 05:48:05 PM
Quote from: JonIf he can make it I sure as fuck can.

yeah, but then you need to be a studio puppet. if you care about your work or have something to say in your films, you wont like being a ratner jr.

sure you can make it, but at what price?
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: RegularKarate on April 03, 2003, 05:58:52 PM
Post sex change, Miss Jones appears to have reached self-actualization and is now approaching Transcendence.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: bonanzataz on April 03, 2003, 09:04:46 PM
Quote from: cecil b. demented
yeah, but then you need to be a studio puppet. if you care about your work or have something to say in your films, you wont like being a ratner jr.

sure you can make it, but at what price?

I was having this conversation with a friend of mine. He was saying to me that Lou Reed worked his way up as a puppet in a recording studio, writing surfing songs for at least 5 years. After a while, he gained recognition and money, and he was able to record the things he wanted to do and became a rock legend. He had the ability to make shit that sold to the masses and did it so he could get some money and do his thing. Call me a sellout, call me an asshole, but if it meant being able to make the movies I REALLY wanted to make, I would make 6 Rush Hour movies and I would make them as good as I possibly could. Now, I hate Brett Ratner as much as the next guy, but who knows if this guy has something great in him? He obviously loves to make movies, even if they are stupid. The only problem I have with Ratner is his ego. He skipped the part of actually making the really good movie and has tried to skip right to fame, even though nobody gives a shit. He touts this Director's Edition of a mediocre movie like it's the greatest thing in the world. It's not the worst crime one can commit. He wants to be famous. Who doesn't? He's still competent enough to make a movie that people understand and appeals to the masses.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Cecil on April 03, 2003, 09:46:17 PM
after graduating from university, lou reed moved to new york and got a job as a staff writer for Pickwick Records. he wanted to write top tens but his stuff never got anywhere near there. he quickly got pissed with his job's creative limitations so he and john cale quit to form their own band. velvet had no money and werent making any either. they couldnt afford groceries, they just ate at parties (as said by warhol, who didnt pay them for playing at the factory). warhol is the one who paid for their first record and became their manager. they still didnt make alot of money back then.

lou reed didnt use the recording studio to gain recognition and money (he didnt get any and made none). he just had a love for music and so got a job writing songs. he got annoyed because he couldnt do his own thing and left.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Markyboy on April 03, 2003, 10:06:24 PM
Bratner must have some clue:

"How do you feel about having separate widescreen and fullscreen versions?"

RAT: "I'm not really into the fullscreen version. I'm not a fan because I shoot the movies anamorphic."

"Would you rather have fullframe available separately or included on the same disc?"

RAT: I'd rather not have it at all.


This thread has made me read a Ratner interview   :?
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Post by: Cecil on April 03, 2003, 10:16:31 PM
also, lou joined Pickwick in 64 and left in 65. according to warhol, pickwick found most of his music too weird and would delay releasing it. you can listen to some of them here http://www.loureed.org/prevu/

"do the ostrich" is my personal fav
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Post by: bonanzataz on April 03, 2003, 10:37:55 PM
well, cecil, I love lou, but i don't have much knowledge on the subject. that's just what i heard and i guess i was terribly misinformed. i still stick to my points, and now, based on your information, i can make another statement. if lou reed hardly had any money but kept making music just for the sake of making music, that's also a good thing. he stuck to what he loved. even if i'm making no money at all from my film endeavors, i'm still going to try. film is what i love, and even if i try my hardest and churn out nothing but shit films for the rest of my life, at least i'll be making them.

anyway, back to ratner...

edit: and by the way, cecil, thanks for that link. me like.
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Post by: Ghostboy on April 03, 2003, 11:50:43 PM
I agree with everyone who has suggested that we shouldn't be hatin' on Ratner. I don't always like his attitude, and his movies aren't exactly my favorites, but complaining about them won't get anyone anywhere. Anyway, he sounds like a film buff, which means he'd probably fit in quite well with this crowd.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: MacGuffin on April 04, 2003, 03:38:17 AM
Quote from: bonanzatazCall me a sellout, call me an asshole, but if it meant being able to make the movies I REALLY wanted to make, I would make 6 Rush Hour movies and I would make them as good as I possibly could. Now, I hate Brett Ratner as much as the next guy, but who knows if this guy has something great in him? He obviously loves to make movies, even if they are stupid. The only problem I have with Ratner is his ego. He skipped the part of actually making the really good movie and has tried to skip right to fame, even though nobody gives a shit. He touts this Director's Edition of a mediocre movie like it's the greatest thing in the world. It's not the worst crime one can commit.

I don't want my comment to be misconstrued as "I should be where he is and not him." It's just that that student film is really bad. I've seen hundreds of bad -- really bad -- student films and those directors haven't amounted to anything. Granted, he's not making the kinds of movies I would like to make, but I have to give the guy some credit for being where he is and doing what he loves doing. There are far worse movies and far worse directors. My avatar theme reinforces these ideas. But I'm along the same lines as taz. Ratner just comes off as a fanboy who steals rather than pays homage. But, alluding to my comments in the 'arrogance' thread, I'm kicking myself because he is doing what he's doing, and I'm here at home talking about it.

Quote from: bonanzatazHe wants to be famous. Who doesn't?

Actually, I'd be happy with a career like John Sayles.
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Post by: Pwaybloe on April 04, 2003, 09:02:13 AM
Quote from: MacGuffinActually, I'd be happy with a career like John Sayles.

I knew it.  So, what was it like working with Edie Falco in "Sunshine State?"
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Disco Stu on April 04, 2003, 09:32:34 AM
Here's his bio from IMDB.  It's quite funny.

Ratner grew up in Miami Beach, the only child of a famous Jewish socialite mother. He attended Miami Beach Senior High and was President of the Leo Club in 1986. He was also a member of the "fraternity" Royal Palm. He attended NYU film school. He also dated Rebecca Gayheart for many years; however, now he is single. He lives in a $3.6 M house in Beverly Hills, and has four assistants. Ratner is also a good friend of Def Jam mogul Russell Simmons, and has directed music videos for many rap stars.

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Trade mark
Opens his movies with a character singing.


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Trivia

Got his start by directing rap and hip-hop videos for his friend Russell Simmons. When the original director of Money Talks had to be replaced, Russell Simmons recommended Brett Ratner

Once vowed he would not direct movies until he had directed at least 100 music videos.


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Personal quotes
"There's no difference between a tacky Jew from Miami and a rap star. They both want the Cadillac and the Rolex with the diamonds."


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Salary
Red Dragon (2002) $6,000,000
Rush Hour 2 (2001) $5,000,000
Family Man, The (2000) $5,000,000

Unbelievable that this PTA wannabe motherfucker got $6 million to rip of Jonathan Demme and Michael Mann.  I'll do that for $2 million.  I'm jealous.  I wouldn't mind the fact that he gets paid so well if his films were actually good but this just boggles the mind.

I also heard that there are strong rumors that Dante Spinoti was upset as he felt he had to both DP and often direct the film, because Rattner was merely socializing with the cast and crew.

Fuck Brett Ratner.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: ©brad on April 04, 2003, 09:41:21 AM
Quote from: Disco Stu
Salary
Red Dragon (2002) $6,000,000
Rush Hour 2 (2001) $5,000,000
Family Man, The (2000) $5,000,000


[/shaking head]  :(
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Post by: MacGuffin on April 04, 2003, 12:11:14 PM
Quote from: Disco StuRatner is also a good friend of Def Jam mogul Russell Simmons, and has directed music videos for many rap stars.

He used Run from Run DMC as the janitor who finds Lecter's toilet paper note in Red Dragon.

Quote from: Disco StuUnbelievable that this PTA wannabe motherfucker got $6 million to rip of Jonathan Demme and Michael Mann.  I'll do that for $2 million.  I'm jealous.  I wouldn't mind the fact that he gets paid so well if his films were actually good but this just boggles the mind.

My friend, this is Hollywood. Your movies don't have to be good. They have to make money.

Quote from: Disco StuI also heard that there are strong rumors that Dante Spinoti was upset as he felt he had to both DP and often direct the film, because Rattner was merely socializing with the cast and crew.

In The Red Dragon Dir. Ed. DVD doc, he asks Dante if he could call up Mann and ask him to do a cameo as the commisioner. It cuts away though right when Ratner starts to dial the numbers.
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Post by: SoNowThen on April 04, 2003, 12:22:00 PM
Why did Dante work with that hack? Fuck. I'm sick & tired of shitty directors getting credit for the brilliant visuals completely created by the DP. Oh well, these directors-for-rent are just put there by the studio to say action & cut.

Die Ratner.
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Post by: Ernie on April 04, 2003, 01:28:49 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
Quote from: ebeaman69
Oh yeah,
I must see his student film! I wanna see how little talent he has without the explosions and the fight scenes and the bad screenplay.
Don't go dissin' Ted Tally now.

Oh, I'm not at all. I was talking about whoever wrote The Family Man and Rush Hour and Rush Hour 2. I haven't seen Red Dragon.
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Post by: BackUpOffMeFoo on April 04, 2003, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: miss jonesone day you may realize that having talent has as much to do with "making it" as having a cock has to do with getting laid

Bing.

Not as in crosby
As in cause be

Take notes when knowledge emotes.
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Post by: atticus jones on April 04, 2003, 03:19:23 PM
tanks for the kind wards...

we mus have the same mutha cus our commune if ication is thick...

does anybody read with unda stunda or is all theez geese flocked up...

xixax is drywax an dielax as in noflo and deadslo...

i feel sorree forum...jus reel to reel sorree...

give me a pubrick michael diamond moment of zen shake down on any thread with a little eggstra mac muffin to feed the brain and i wood slip lyke a lady...

make change fo eye holla?
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: aclockworkjj on April 04, 2003, 03:27:06 PM
Anyone who would even touch Mann's original is not a "good joe" in my book....in the age of all these studio hating directors....Mr. Ratner has proved by re-making Red Dragon that he is nothing more than the studio's little bitch.....someone pass him some jelly for the next time the studio wants to stick their hand in his ass and pull his strings....

makes me sick.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: MacGuffin on April 04, 2003, 03:36:22 PM
Well, I have to say that Mann's version was not the greatest to begin with. It was not very faithful to Harris' novel, turning it more into his Miami Vice-type detective story, and it barely gave the killer much depth, dropping the sympathetic romance between Dollarhyde and Reba that I think was the strength of the novel and Ratner's version.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 04, 2003, 03:38:10 PM
Quote from: MacGuffinWell, I have to say that Mann's version was not the greatest to begin with. It was not very faithful to Harris' novel, turning it more into his Miami Vice-type detective story, and it barely gave the killer much depth, dropping the sympathetic romance between Dollarhyde and Reba that I think was the strength of the novel and Ratner's version.

I saw the first 2/3 of Mann's version, and it's one of the most boring things I have ever scene (though I've been told there's a great scene at the end) ... which is disappointing, cause I love Heat, and I love The Insider.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: MacGuffin on April 04, 2003, 03:42:03 PM
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanI saw the first 2/3 of Mann's version, and it's one of the most boring things I have ever scene

Freudian.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: BackUpOffMeFoo on April 04, 2003, 05:39:45 PM
Who else could stop on a dime and still make sense?
The unda cuva brotha from anotha mutha

Pass the gravy cause this turkey is dry
Pass the mic I want a piece of the pie
Pass the spliff cause I need to get stoned off my fucking ass

Puff Puff... Pass

Back up in this piece for too double oh tree
Changin minds like E double oh three
It’s me, Mike D
What you got for free
My boy PT
Pays my salary
Plus a Consultation fee
From the down low G
So I gratefully
Pay respect you see

Eye of the tiger and dick of the donkey
White bred shit kickin rude boy honkey
When’s this EO gonna come back to haunt me?

Tick tock... I got time to kill.

See eff run
See eff jump
See eff skip,
See eff Oh

Ready, willing, and able to cook these books
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: RegularKarate on April 04, 2003, 05:51:14 PM
I wish I were part of someone's posse
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: xerxes on April 04, 2003, 06:38:20 PM
you can be part of mine RK
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: RegularKarate on April 04, 2003, 07:16:12 PM
Word
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: EL__SCORCHO on April 04, 2003, 09:52:04 PM
I don't think Ratner is completely untalented. I enjoyed Red Dragon, no masterpiece, but I didn't mind. There are tons and tons of movies worse than Red Dragon. I haven't seen Rush Hour , but the other day i caught the beginning of Rush Hour 2 on TV and I watched it and laughed a lot, I enjoyed myself watching it.

And as for his cocky attitude, I don't blame the guy. He makes a nice living doing what he loves. I want to direct movies and it's fucking hard to break into the business. If nobody wants to finance any of my scripts, then I'd glady take a job directing a Rush Hour or Red Dragon. I mean, at least I'd get to be behind the camera and shoot shit with some good actors. It beats a fucking desk job.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: EL__SCORCHO on April 04, 2003, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin

I don't want my comment to be misconstrued as "I should be where he is and not him." It's just that that student film is really bad.
.

Is it worse than The Dirk Diggler Story?
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: MacGuffin on April 04, 2003, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: EL__SCORCHO
Quote from: MacGuffin

I don't want my comment to be misconstrued as "I should be where he is and not him." It's just that that student film is really bad.
.

Is it worse than The Dirk Diggler Story?

Far worse. No sound, so no dialogue, but from what I gathered it's some horror movie type thing about a first date. Each person not knowing about each other so their minds race, thinking of one another as some cheesy, dead rotting body. Not much of a story.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: EL__SCORCHO on April 05, 2003, 01:15:33 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: EL__SCORCHO
Quote from: MacGuffin

I don't want my comment to be misconstrued as "I should be where he is and not him." It's just that that student film is really bad.
.

Is it worse than The Dirk Diggler Story?

Far worse. No sound, so no dialogue, but from what I gathered it's some horror movie type thing about a first date. Each person not knowing about each other so their minds race, thinking of one another as some cheesy, dead rotting body. Not much of a story.

what!! really? I saw brett ratner one night on the carson daily show and they played a clip of a short film he made at nyu and the clip had this disco music and a shot on NYC from on top of a limo. I think it was about some pimp. I thought thats the one that would be on the Red Dragon dvd.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: MacGuffin on April 05, 2003, 01:46:26 AM
Quote from: EL__SCORCHOI saw brett ratner one night on the carson daily show and they played a clip of a short film he made at nyu and the clip had this disco music and a shot on NYC from on top of a limo. I think it was about some pimp. I thought thats the one that would be on the Red Dragon dvd.

That short is on the Rush Hour DVD.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Cecil on April 05, 2003, 01:49:03 AM
well, you gotta admit that he at least has the balls to let his student films be shown. many directors promise to do that (including pta), but almost everyone chickens out
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: MacGuffin on April 05, 2003, 01:54:24 AM
Robert Rodriguez included his "Bedhead" short on the "El Mariachi" DVD, and there is Andrei Tarkosky's student film version of "The Killers" on that Criterion release.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Jon on April 05, 2003, 01:56:38 AM
Quote from: MacGuffinRobert Rodriguez included his "Bedhead" short on the "El Mariachi" DVD, and there is Andrei Tarkosky's student film version of "The Killers" on that Criterion release.

Bedhead is good though!
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: EL__SCORCHO on April 05, 2003, 09:12:07 PM
I was thinking some more about Ratner's PTA syndrome and I remembered that when 'Punch-Drunk' was screened at nyu with Paul's Q&A, "Red Dragon" was screened right after that with a Ratner Q&A.

I hope Ratner didnt think Paul was his warm up act because Anderson had a packed house, Ratner had a half-full house.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Ravi on April 05, 2003, 11:07:31 PM
Guys, guys, as un-brilliant as Ratner is, other directors are far more deserving of your wrath, such as Michael Bay and his producer Jerry Bruckheimer.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Ernie on April 06, 2003, 12:13:29 AM
Quote from: RaviGuys, guys, as un-brilliant as Ratner is, other directors are far more deserving of your wrath, such as Michael Bay and his producer Jerry Bruckheimer.

Yeah, I have to agree there. Michael Bay is the worst filmmaker in the world. He doesn't even deserve to be referred to in the same profession as PTA and Scorsese and all the other greats.

I'd take a Ratner film over a Bay film anyday.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: cine on April 06, 2003, 01:13:56 AM
Oh good lord I'm glad somebody said it. Nothing good has come out of the Bay/Bruckheimer bunch, except I think "The Rock" is debatable.. Other than that.. if one of their movies EVER won a major Oscar (which, based on their track record, is impossible).. I would probably boycott the the show from that point on.
The only awards they'll ever receive are Razzies.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Ghostboy on April 06, 2003, 03:26:02 AM
Based solely on my appreciation for The Rock, I'll stand by my belief that Michael Bay could make a better Superman movie than Brett Ratner.

But I hear Dominic Sena is in the running now. Gone In Sixty Seconds is worse than any Michael Bay movie.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: cine on April 06, 2003, 03:50:31 AM
That's quite arguable since Bay made "Armageddon"..
but Sena also made "Kalifornia"..
Title: Pied Pipper
Post by: BackUpOffMeFoo on April 06, 2003, 11:34:36 AM
Just re-readin my own shit

Got game like Wendover
Vegas would bend me over
Take my short stack
Spew on my back
Then call me a hack
Cept one

Much
Respect
Always
No
Matter
What

Going back to school
More time on my game
Less on this Ratler blame
Beat the horse with force?
With no remorse of course
This shit's fuckin lame
I say one and the same
As re-runs of Fame

Yet potential is endless
I see why you defend this
People open your eyes
Raise this roof to the skies
How?
Listen
Should use your noodle
That is no lyrical doodle

I'll be around from rhyme to rhyme
throw a good one from time to time
Quality not quantity
Irony of placing that at the end of a long weak e-mail
Quality

Coming soon to a face near you

D
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Victor on April 06, 2003, 05:33:25 PM
Quote from: miss joneshaving talent has as much to do with "making it" as having a cock has to do with getting laid...

i heard a story that bratner had bad grades in high school, but got into NYU cause he kept begging and annoying the folks in charge.

like the man said: persistance matters more than talent.

my ears iz whyd oh pen.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: thedog on May 27, 2003, 02:39:41 PM
I don't want to spark up the conversation again but I have one more thing to add to the "Brett Ratner Files."

During the credits for Ratner's (bad) movie Family Man, as Robert Downey Sr.'s name scrolls up the screen during the credits, the words "(a prince)" appear next to it. As most of you may or may not know, this happens in the credits for Putney Swope as well as Boogie Nights.

sorry if this has already been mentioned.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: MrBurgerKing on May 27, 2003, 04:50:32 PM
Brett Ratner makes me sick to my stomach. I don't particularly hate any of his films, but he comes off as one annoying kid. He's like the baby crying at burger king for no particular reason (perhaps his parents beat on him, or he's upset about getting 1000 calories going through his system).
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: bonanzataz on May 27, 2003, 10:34:05 PM
Quote from: thedogI don't want to spark up the conversation again but I have one more thing to add to the "Brett Ratner Files."

During the credits for Ratner's (bad) movie Family Man, as Robert Downey Sr.'s name scrolls up the screen during the credits, the words "(a prince)" appear next to it. As most of you may or may not know, this happens in the credits for Putney Swope as well as Boogie Nights.

sorry if this has already been mentioned.

i didn't get it when Paul did it, i certainly don't get it when Bratt Ratner did it.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Sleuth on May 27, 2003, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz
Quote from: thedogI don't want to spark up the conversation again but I have one more thing to add to the "Brett Ratner Files."

During the credits for Ratner's (bad) movie Family Man, as Robert Downey Sr.'s name scrolls up the screen during the credits, the words "(a prince)" appear next to it. As most of you may or may not know, this happens in the credits for Putney Swope as well as Boogie Nights.

sorry if this has already been mentioned.

i didn't get it when Paul did it, i certainly don't get it when Bratt Ratner did it.

Because he wants to be PTA.  Come on, it's the whole point of this thread
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: modage on June 30, 2003, 11:53:48 AM
ARMAGEDDON?

Chris Tucker signed on for the next installment of "Rush Hour" according to Eurweb.
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: MacGuffin on June 30, 2003, 11:57:49 AM
Are you trying to take over the news department from me?
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: modage on June 30, 2003, 11:58:23 AM
sorry. :(
Title: Re: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: Vile5 on June 30, 2003, 12:59:07 PM
Quote from: JonPoor old Brett wants to be respected. :(

:yabbse-thumbup:  :yabbse-thumbup:  :yabbse-thumbup:  :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Brett Ratner's PTA syndrome.
Post by: modage on June 30, 2003, 02:21:15 PM
i dunno about Jackie, but i know that Charlie is onboard.

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