Zoom mastery

Started by SoNowThen, June 16, 2003, 11:45:45 AM

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Ghostboy

#15
June 17, 2003, 01:13:28 AM
Man, I wanted to comment on this thread, but there's nothing new I can bring to the table! I love zooms when they're done right, which Kubrick never fails at. Another good one: In Eyes Wide Shut, at the orgy, when the girl interrupts the interrogation of Tom Cruise.

SHAFTR

#16
June 17, 2003, 01:32:19 AM
Quote from: GhostboyI love zooms when they're done right, which Kubrick never fails at.

fails = failed
people forget he stopped making movies when he died.

Zooms are gimmicky in nature, just like nearly every other camera movie, but they still work magnificently when done correctly.
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ShanghaiOrange

#17
June 17, 2003, 03:32:34 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenOh... please don't say the zoom out - dolly in shots. So overused.

What about zoom in - dolly out? WHAT ABOUT THAT?




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SoNowThen

#18
June 17, 2003, 03:33:53 PM
That's totally fine. I would love to use those shots.

Are there any great examples of those?
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When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

EL__SCORCHO

#19
June 17, 2003, 11:08:35 PM
I think people should stop giving directors the credit for zooms and give it to the DP.

Ghostboy

#20
June 17, 2003, 11:14:45 PM
Technically, it would be a combination of the director, DP and camera operator and focus puller. But I'll bet that more often than not it's the director's idea.

©brad

#21
June 18, 2003, 12:37:16 AM
casino has some of the best zooms i've ever seen.

BonBon85

#22
June 18, 2003, 12:56:48 AM
I think that when done right they're great, but they are often misused. I remember being distracted by how terrible one of the zooms in The Graduate is.

82

#23
June 18, 2003, 03:16:16 AM
Quote from: SoNowThenThat's totally fine. I would love to use those shots.

Are there any great examples of those?

I hope you realize.. thats basically the same fucking thing....

Also I refer to these as the Scorsese Stretch...

for those refering to the freeze frame/optical zoom on the film:

"There is a specific shot from "Casino" in which the police blow away a mobster who turns out to be carrying nothing more dangerous than a sub sandwich.  Scorsese freeze-frames and zooms in on the foil-wrapped package the mobster is carrying.  In "Boogie Nights," Todd Parker walks in with a new stash of coke, and Anderson uses the same freeze-and-zoom-in  technique." -- http://www.ptanderson.com/influences/scorsese.htm

Also, something concerning the "but it did happen" dolly/zoom it also looks like a type of lens comes across the screen almost like a macro lens.. which brings the close image into focus.. is this what is happening? or what is happening?
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USTopGun47

#24
June 18, 2003, 06:06:55 AM
I love PTA zooms which Wes Anderson imitates, such as in Magnolia zooming on the TV scrolling credits.  Those SLOW, powerful zooms with underlying emotion really work.  He makes them art, not an overused toy.  There's just so much to them, and they add so much.  Like when Wes Anderson zooms on Margot coming of the Green Line/Eli Cash on the TV show in Royal Tenenbaums.  Network probably had the best/earliest of the style.  Those are my favorites.
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SoNowThen

#25
June 18, 2003, 08:47:46 AM
Quote from: 82I hope you realize.. thats basically the same fucking thing....

Actually, it's the opposite... that's why I like it.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.
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