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Film Discussion => The Vault => Topic started by: Rudie Obias on November 22, 2003, 04:03:28 PM

Title: GUMMO
Post by: Rudie Obias on November 22, 2003, 04:03:28 PM
c'mon.  let's hear it....
Title: GUMMO
Post by: ono on November 22, 2003, 04:31:16 PM
http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=353&highlight=gummo
Title: GUMMO
Post by: aclockworkjj on November 22, 2003, 04:36:14 PM
I compare this movie to KIDS almost...in a weird sorta way.  know what I mean?
Title: Re: GUMMO
Post by: Weak2ndAct on November 22, 2003, 04:58:51 PM
Quote from: rudieobc'mon.  let's hear it....
....So you can tell us we're wrong and ignore points made by others because your opinion is the 'right' one?
Title: Re: GUMMO
Post by: Rudie Obias on November 22, 2003, 09:42:25 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndAct
....So you can tell us we're wrong and ignore points made by others because your opinion is the 'right' one?

i'm glad you finally figured that out!  viva la GUMMO!!!
Title: GUMMO
Post by: NEON MERCURY on November 22, 2003, 10:08:16 PM
::speaks like a 4th grader w/ a ugly birth mark on his face::


.gummo is dummo.......... :yabbse-grin:
Title: GUMMO
Post by: cine on November 23, 2003, 01:52:22 AM
Quote from: NEON MERCURY::speaks like a 4th grader w/ a ugly birth mark on his face::
So, are you speaking autobiographically or what......

:wink:
Title: GUMMO
Post by: soixante on November 24, 2003, 01:31:50 PM
Gummo is a better date movie than Sleepless in Seattle.
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Post by: cine on November 24, 2003, 01:39:02 PM
Gummo ages better than Citizen Kane.
Title: GUMMO
Post by: Ghostboy on November 24, 2003, 01:45:00 PM
Quote from: CinephileGummo ages better than Citizen Kane.

Actually, it does! On a certain scale. When I first watched Citizen Kane, I thought it was brilliant. As I continue watching it, it's still brilliant. The first time I watched Gummo, however, I didn't like it -- the second and third time, my opinion increased exponentially. So if you charted these responses on a graph, the degree of Gummo's curve would be far steeper than that of Citizen Kane's rather median line.
Title: GUMMO
Post by: analogzombie on January 02, 2004, 02:33:08 PM
The thing that struck me abouyt Gummo is how real it is. I mean, on one level it's totally exploitatice and artificial but it's real too. Like when Chloe and the other girls are jumping on the bed scene, yep, that's real. The bugs crawling from behind the picture, yeah that's real. When i was a kid my grandmother's house was in a seedy lower class white neighborhood, (old people never move even after the neighborhood goes). I had a couple friends I would play with when i went to visit. That stuff you see in Gummo, that is real. There are people who are really like that, that live like that. I must sound snobbish, but that is what hit me when I watched the movie, how close it hits.

then there is the artifical side. The scene of the kid in the bath for example is just a total Korine gross-out. and it's so obvious as to who are actors and who are not. You can tell Korine placed some of his friends in situations with the real people just to egg them on for the camera. (The chair wrestling scene, for example.) then there is the Korine/Dwarf come on scene that is so obviously in poor taste its not even funny.

Korine definately comes off as a huckster who is exploiting his subjects. And its also clear that for Korine, the experience was just a trip to a zoo type of thing, a way for him to be edgy and controversial. Korine never seems to really 'get' or understand the dubject matter, the heart, of Gummo. But nevertheless he has somehow captured a very realistic (in parts) snapshot of the lives of disenfranchised, ignorant white trash. for that i like the film. perhaps Gummo only fails b/c Korine was never really willing to fully accept his subject material. He seems to keep that world always at arm's length by including ironic visual commentary on the world he fiulms instead of delving into it. in the end that's probably b/c that world is so distrubing, and Korine, for all his indie cred, is just a New York art snob who is donning the mantle of Low Class White American Auteur. If it wasn't for Chloe Sevigny's performance the film would be almost unwatchable.
Title: GUMMO
Post by: Thecowgoooesmooo on January 02, 2004, 08:41:08 PM
Im a fan of Gummo...

Am I the only one who was moved by the movie? I really was, out of all movies, I actually shed a tear at the end of this one.



chris
Title: GUMMO
Post by: analogzombie on January 02, 2004, 09:21:50 PM
I don't know if I would say that I was moved by the film. but I really like it, and think there is more to it than most people give it credit for.
Title: GUMMO
Post by: Xixax on January 02, 2004, 10:50:57 PM
I love watching Harmony's work the way I love watching "Cops". It's day-in-the-life stuff of people I wouldn't want my kids to hang out with.

Gummo es Primo!
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Post by: Finn on January 02, 2004, 10:59:40 PM
I've never seen it but I'd like to.
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Post by: Stefen on January 03, 2004, 12:46:57 AM
I like gummo, but not in the traditional sense. I like it for the fact that I can't believe what im watching while im watching it. And that end scene with that Roy Orbison song is aces. Nothing new for trash like you.
Title: GUMMO
Post by: kotte on January 03, 2004, 06:11:30 PM
I've just finished watching this.

I don't even know if you could call this bad. I hated it. It actually made me feel sick. I actually almost threw up.

The performances are great, as is the writing but the story, characters...fuck. Pure exploitation of the white lower-class. What's up with Korine? Kids, Gummo, Ken Park...?? I hate them all. I find them fascinating bud oh so bad.
Title: GUMMO
Post by: Ghostboy on January 04, 2004, 02:04:22 AM
Quote from: ebeaman

Yea, don't call him a good filmmaker.

He's a good filmmaker.
Title: GUMMO
Post by: kotte on January 04, 2004, 06:37:53 AM
Quote from: Ghostboy
Quote from: ebeaman

Yea, don't call him a good filmmaker.

He's a good filmmaker.

I think he lacks in ability as a filmmaker but do think he's a pretty good director.

You can't say the performances are bad in the film and I believe it's to Korines credit.




Why the fuck did we need to see the tiny kid eating in the bathtub?? Why the fuck???  :x
Title: GUMMO
Post by: Sigur Rós on January 04, 2004, 10:11:40 AM
Quote from: kotteI've just finished watching this.

I don't even know if you could call this bad. I hated it. It actually made me feel sick. I actually almost threw up.

It made me feel the same way (Just looking at that little skinny boy made me feel sick!). I really want to say I hated it, and that's probably what the director intended people to do, but some part of me was fascinated by the enviroment. Also it had some great characters, like the guy playing tennis and those two blond sisters (damn, they were ugly!).

But let me underline this; this was not a great movie.
Title: GUMMO
Post by: NEON MERCURY on January 04, 2004, 08:11:45 PM
Hello???????????????.........dear so -called cinephiles!!!!

people actually like this garbage....?

how artistic is it to  go to  so,me random town and set a hidden camera down and "PUSH RECORD"????

seriously, ....would some of you guys call myself a  "quality artistic director" if a made a film that was 2 hours and 37 minutes long about three 40 year old guys wearing airbrush diapers that say"holla to da game..fo it ain'ts no shiz-ame", while taking dull butterknives and trying to perform openheart surgery on themselves..with cat stevens playing "The first Cut is the Deepest"..on a conntinus loop...??......


::remeber The Commodores::
Title: GUMMO
Post by: ono on January 10, 2004, 11:49:50 PM
Well, I finally saw Gummo.  Normally, I'm wary about such films, and for the longest time I didn't really want to bother, especially after the horridness of Kids.  But I think it was this summer that something happened where I just got sick of your generic, run-of-the-mill narrative film and started to crave something really different.  And so I've committed myself to try to see as many fringe films such as these as possible.

Gummo was beautiful, really.  And I don't see what all the fuss was about as far as its "gruesomeness" goes.  I used to see myself as somewhat skittish, but I guess I've been desensitized, because I was more fascinated by this film than anything.  It's like a snapshot or scrapbook of emotions of this small town.  The narration underlines this.  The film presents all of this as fact that, yes, this is how life is, and this is how people live.  The more I think about it, the more real I realize it is.  And I think one of the things godardian said really is key here: this film captures the purity of certain moments in life, especially as far as the enigmatic "Bunny Boy" goes.  Question, though: why is it called "Gummo?"  I must've missed that.  And why was it ever threatened with an NC-17 rating?  I definitely don't get that.

In any event, some of you may feel this film is a waste of time, but I feel if you're willing to go into it with an open mind, it's a must see.  The only drawback to this film was perhaps it was spread too thin, especially for its sparse runtime.  To me, it ran like a documentary, or even a mockumentary, but the important thing to note is I don't feel Korine was mocking anyone here.  One of his goals, he's stated, is to try to capture real life with cameras rolling.  And in a way, he's succeeded here, even though it's scripted.  In a way, this scripted reality is more real than reality that is filmed with people aware of the cameras, because real actors can pull off an awareness and avoidance of cameras better.  Can't wait to see julien donkey-boy.  *** (7/10)
Title: GUMMO
Post by: Pedro on January 13, 2004, 06:25:31 PM
I really agree with Ono's review, he basically says all I would want to say about it...and ill just state again that visually, it's just a beautiful film.  I don't really have a problem watching experimental material like this...it's like watching a shallow cremaster cycle in a white trash town containing no symbolism.  

Oh yeah, the line "could you hook me up with some glue" made me laugh a lot, too.
Title: GUMMO
Post by: godardian on January 13, 2004, 07:05:03 PM
I like Ono's assessment, too.

I find Korine to be the cinematic equivalent (more or less) of Diane Arbus. He has a really stunning visual and textural sense. He'd be much better off if his films were shown in galleries and museums, though. The expectations would be different, and they'd be received and analyzed for what they are.

Ono, julien donkey-boy is one of the most beautiful and insistent explorations of the possibilities of DV I've ever seen.
Title: GUMMO
Post by: Pedro on January 21, 2004, 05:45:32 PM
Quote from: ebeamanAnyway, I just saw this movie and I might post my thoughts later, I don't really feel like it now.
Face your fears, man.