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What was Kubrick's best film?
I loved "A Clockwork Orange". Is it just my imagination or does the picture of Alex on the cover of the video look like a white, scary version of Janet Jackson?

Not having seen them all, Full Metal Jacket has recently overtaken 2001.

i vote for clockwork. with strangelove as a close second

A Clockwork Orange and 2001 have always been a tie with me as Kubrick's best films and also some of the best films ever made.

So, no one agrees with me on the Janet Jackson thing?  :?

all of them are quite good. as far as most influential, i'd say 2001.

even though most people hate it, i love The Shining. my parents finally got a DVD player with 5.1 sound and its great to hear The Shining on it. STanley was great with sound. i, for one, think that The Shining is one of the most beautifully photographed films of all time.

i like Strangelove and Paths of Glory a lot too.

i've yet to see Lolita......how is that?

I got the Box Set for Christmas and have been watching/rewatching his post-Lolita works.  It's hard to pick a favorite but I love '2001'.  I also love 'Clockwork'.  No one else could have ever made 'A Clockwork Orange'.  If someone else had tried to make '2001' it would not have been as influential or as great.  One thing that made Kubrick great was he didn't feel he had to explain everything in his movies.  And even though no one else seemed to like it, I really liked 'Eyes Wide Shut'.

"A Clockwork Orange" is one of my favourite movies ever. I really liked all his films, including "Eyes Wide Shut" which also ranks as one of my favourite Kubrick films.

I'm glad to see someone else liked it ('Eyes Wide Shut').

2001, reasons I've given too many times.

What sense though is there in giving Kubrick his own forum like this when he has died and will not be releasing any movies. Kubrick topics were kept pretty nice in the off topic forum before and i think there should just be that one forum instead of so many different ones when it is obvious each will be receiving little attention. Just put one big director forum so people can see all the threads instead of spending so much extra time visiting each forum.

~rougerum

I LOVE EVERY SINGLE KUBRICK FILM....BUT PROBABLY BARRY LYNDON MOST OF ALL...

That's interesting. I rented Barry Lyndon because it looked so great. I got it in my Netflix, and after 2 months, I still hadn't made it all the way through. Not because it lost me, but because I just found it difficult to commit 3 hours to a movie non-stop. I must have stopped and started it 3 or 4 times. I finally just sent it back. Maybe I'll give it another chance sometime.

I saw The Killing a few weeks ago on DVD and I just loved it. Yeah, it's not Clockwork Orange, but it's a great film. And I bet it worked even better when it was released.

The Shining, keep on watching it until you agree with me.

2001 is my favorite.

I'm kinda with GT on this one... I love Kubrick... he deserves a topic, but he won't be making movies anymore and I don't know if there will be enough to keep this going other than talking about which films were better.

i am sure there is alot that can be said

That's probably the best avatar I've seen in a while.  Well... at least most original.

I saw The Shining yesterday, after a long time. Now I totally get it (the whole Kubrick deal), and yes, I agree, he's very clever, supremely so. Thank you to all the Kubrickians whose devotion has prompted my curious investigation over the past months, 'cause there's nothing like this feeling. It also makes this topic area superbly ironic, and that has to be reason enough for it to stay.

But Stanley, babe, you should get into a very sweaty fuck and/or a fistfight. I guarantee you'll feel so much better.

a clockwork orange, eyes wide shut, and dr. strangelove register the most for me and are thus my favourite kubrick films.

2001 is probably his best, and maybe my favorite, but right now I am most mezmerized by Eyes Wide Shut and Full Metal Jacket.

Quote from: budgieI saw The Shining yesterday, after a long time. Now I totally get it (the whole Kubrick deal), and yes, I agree, he's very clever, supremely so. Thank you to all the Kubrickians whose devotion has prompted my curious investigation over the past months, 'cause there's nothing like this feeling. It also makes this topic area superbly ironic, and that has to be reason enough for it to stay.

But Stanley, babe, you should get into a very sweaty fuck and/or a fistfight. I guarantee you'll feel so much better.

I knew you'd come around...

Quote from: budgietotally get it (the whole Kubrick deal), and yes, I agree, he's very clever, supremely so

I think it's time for you to revisit Full Metal Jacket, probably his clever-est movie. Depending on what cleverness you're talking about.

"I say: deliver me from clever art"
- budgie 2003

Dr. Strangelove.

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I think it's time for you to revisit Full Metal Jacket, probably his clever-est movie. Depending on what cleverness you're talking about.

Yes. Yes I will.

Note to self: always take Jeremy's advice in matters relating to Kubrick.

Question: I was right to be laughing, right? I mean, just rewire the fucking distributor cap and you're outta there!  :roll:

Edit: this post made me lose my grip!

I just saw 'The Shining' and it was awesome!  A beautiful film and very scary.  It's not my favorite (yet....you know how Kubrick films do) but it is great!

Shining was my first Kubrick film. When I was 7, I was extremely afraid of horror movies and wanted to get over that fear, so me and my mom went and rented a whole bunch of horror movies. Shining was at the top of my list. It was, and will always be, my favorite Kubrick.

i know i'm gonna get killed, but i think kubrick is a bit overrated. i don't deny that he was a very skilled director and he made some truly amazing films (strangelove, clockwork), but a good deal of them i find particularly un-exceptional.

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is tuesday good for you?

no but seriously, youre entitled to your own opinion. but what is it that you find un-exceptional? you didnt name 2001, what didnt you like about that one?

Quote from: xerxesi know i'm gonna get killed, but i think kubrick is a bit overrated. i don't deny that he was a very skilled director and he made some truly amazing films (strangelove, clockwork), but a good deal of them i find particularly un-exceptional.

You should see Full Metal Jacket (never taken seriously enough) and Barry Lyndon (never seen at all) before you draw any conclusions.

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You should see Full Metal Jacket (never taken seriously enough) and Barry Lyndon (never seen at all) before you draw any conclusions.

i've actually seen both. now we i say that i find a lot of his movies "un-exceptional," that is not to say that I think they are bad films.

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no but seriously, youre entitled to your own opinion. but what is it that you find un-exceptional? you didnt name 2001, what didnt you like about that one?

as for 2001, i found some of it to be brilliant, but as a whole I just didn't like it too much.

Quote from: xerxesi've actually seen both. now we i say that i find a lot of his movies "un-exceptional," that is not to say that I think they are bad films

Ok, well, umm, have you seen Flying Padre? I didn't think so.

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Ok, well, umm, have you seen Flying Padre? I didn't think so.

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Well, personally, I don't see any reason for him to see a rare movie like Flying Padre when Kubrick himself put down every film he ever made pre-The Killing. And since Flying Padre was one of his short documentaries and Kubrick tried his best to actually allow the public never to even see it, (that didn't work out as a dvd has come out) I don't see any reason for him to see those works. Just let him has opinion even if it may not be a satisfactory one in being reasonable.

~rougerum

Quote from: xerxesi know i’m gonna get killed, but i think kubrick is a bit overrated. i don’t deny that he was a very skilled director and he made some truly amazing films (strangelove, clockwork), but a good deal of them i find particularly un-exceptional.

There's nothing wrong with not liking Kubrick's work. Pauline Kale's review of 2001 was awful, she hated it. Does that mean she's right or wrong? Nah. (but rarely have I agreed w/ her reviews)
I think what's important is to be able to appeciate a film. You can still appreciate the amount of work, research, time, effort, and craft Kubrick puts into his movies. You can always appeciate certains things and not like the finished project.

Interesting thing Kubrick said during a interview on movie critics. He said first off, that never has he learned anything new from any critic on his movies, and two, he was frustrated with the idea that critics don't make nearly as much effort in writing a review as a director does in making a film.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWell, personally, I don't see any reason for him to see a rare movie like Flying Padre when Kubrick himself put down every film he ever made pre-The Killing. And since Flying Padre was one of his short documentaries and Kubrick tried his best to actually allow the public never to even see it, (that didn't work out as a dvd has come out) I don't see any reason for him to see those works. Just let him has opinion even if it may not be a satisfactory one in being reasonable.

~rougerum

I was kidding

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I was kidding

well, i knew you were kidding.

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There's nothing wrong with not liking Kubrick's work.

it's not that i don't like his work... i've really enjoyed a couple of his films.

Not haveing seen all the films, I'm going to go out on a lim here, and say that so far it is a tie between The Shinning- a film that showcases how significant it is that a director first be a good photographer, before he moves into directing. And Eyes Wide Shut, that to me just hit at the core of what most relationships (that I consider healthy) are all about, some sort of a constant need .

BTW, ain't it a bloody shame that Spielberg was allowed to direct Kubrick's final screenplay?

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BTW, ain't it a bloody shame that Spielberg was allowed to direct Kubrick's final screenplay?

No, at least it got made....

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BTW, ain't it a bloody shame that Spielberg was allowed to direct Kubrick's final screenplay?

No, at least it got made....

yea, but of all the directors in the world. this one... there has to have been a better choice, perhaps one that would have not brought in such hype, but still a better director.

Quote from: aka_mayaBTW, ain't it a bloody shame that Spielberg was allowed to direct Kubrick's final screenplay?

Grrr. Welcome to the boards and all, but don't go running your mouth with Spiely-hating! Spielberg was always supposed to direct, it's been said before and it will be said again. Kubrick, since he developed the story in the 80's, asked Spielberg if he would direct it, and Spiely said yes. Plus, AI rocked, with or without Kubrick.

And no, I'm not snapping at you, I just get defensive when people knock AI. Welcome to the boards Maya.

By the way, I think that 2001 and Shining are tied now. 2001 rocks.

I'd say Clockwork Orange, Dr. Strangelove, or Barry Lyndon.

FMJ has always been the most entertaining (there was a time I had every line GySgt Hartman uttered memorized) but I think The Shining is the best.

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even though most people hate it, i love The Shining. my parents finally got a DVD player with 5.1 sound and its great to hear The Shining on it. STanley was great with sound. i, for one, think that The Shining is one of the most beautifully photographed films of all time.

Isn't the DVD 2 channel sound?

Also, I enjoy Kubrick films, but I also find him to be over-rated.  I'm not saying I dislike him, I just find him over-rated.

Quote from: SHAFTRIsn't the DVD 2 channel sound?

Warner Bros. caught some flack for releasing poor quality DVD for Kubrick's films and the first box set. They've since remastered the picture and soundtracks for his films and The Shining is now in 5.1 Dolby Digital.

The Shining. Jack is the man!

clockwork

his best?

2001: A Space Odyssey

my favorite?

Full Metal Jacket

A Clockwork Orange - The scene where Alex kicks his droogs' asses is the best fight scene ever.

2001 - When Dave is an old man in bed, and the monolith is in front of him, and the music starts to swell, I lose it.

Dudes, Clockwork Orange seriously ripped my guts out... in a bad way. I think there wasn't a point to the movie. I mean yeah it kinda had a plot but what was the point? Were all the rape scenes necesary? Did Stanley have anything to say? or did he just want to get away with showing the worst thing someone can do to another person. but to give him props I loved the whole part when the dude killed the chick with giant penis. not the actual action but how the camera zoomed down into her face and then it cut to the artwork of someone's mouth. i thought that was pretty genius. I was really blown away by the whole monkey scene but mostly when the ape kills the other ape with the bone and also how he found out how to use it. 2001 (as my buddy jonny says) rocks my socks! whatever director can get away with only using 40 min of actual dialouge? But I wish my buddy jonny would've covered my eyes when we the main charecter rapes the chick in the mansion like he did at the very last scene of Boogie Nights when Dirk pulls out his wang. anyway....

I find I prefer different movies at different moods. There can be no set best for me.

Quote from: CrashDudes, Clockwork Orange seriously ripped my guts out... in a bad way. I think there wasn't a point to the movie. I mean yeah it kinda had a plot but what was the point? Were all the rape scenes necesary? Did Stanley have anything to say? or did he just want to get away with showing the worst thing someone can do to another person. but to give him props I loved the whole part when the dude killed the chick with giant penis. not the actual action but how the camera zoomed down into her face and then it cut to the artwork of someone's mouth. i thought that was pretty genius. I was really blown away by the whole monkey scene but mostly when the ape kills the other ape with the bone and also how he found out how to use it. 2001 (as my buddy jonny says) rocks my socks! whatever director can get away with only using 40 min of actual dialouge? But I wish my buddy jonny would've covered my eyes when we the main charecter rapes the chick in the mansion like he did at the very last scene of Boogie Nights when Dirk pulls out his wang. anyway....

I'm sorry to say.  But GT and just about everyone else are going to tear you to pieces.

Crash: or Oklahoma, as I shall prefer to call you from now on,

There is a point to the muddled frenzy you saw in A Clockwork Orange. You had problems with the aggressive nature in Kubrick showing the worst of the worst in the character Alex. But cheer up and let your stomach get better because there is a point. Storywise, the movie speaks for the first part to the adventures of a pyschotic teenager and in the second part, he is caught and jailed for his crimes. The third part is the rehabillitation he must undergo in order to get out of jail for what he did and in turns, gives up his basic human rights of emotion. Emotions that the state feels will turn him to do wrong again. In this, Kubrick identifies what he believes society may end up doing in the future and that is a bringing of a harsh code in order to keep itself surviving and not being drawn out from outside influences. It is the pure opposite of anarchy. The showing of the violent acts in a very high tone at the beginning was basically to make the audience hate Alex, which in turn made the audience get mad at themselves when they began to sympathize with him after he underwent the "treatment". The idea brought up emotions that many audience members couldn't stand feeling or thinking about, and that was uhumane treatment to a person deemed unhumane by their own consensus. The heavy stylization plays to how the movie is a fable, in the sense that all of Alex's victims seemingly are the ones that get their revenge on him and like role reversal of Alex from bad guy to victim, we see it in Alex's former victims as well. The stylization shows the world beyond the bare realism of the story so it doesn't look absurd, which a fable may seem when spoken naturally. I didn't rip crash apart personally, but I did my best with his argument though.

~rougerum

Damn Trumpet, well said.  And Oklahoma, I will personally tear you to shreds. Whether your 'buddy's there or not. :twisted:

There will be no tearing of the shreds today my brothers

viddy well

I think Clockwork, but not by far. 2001/fullmetal are at equal second.

wow, thank you so much for that explanation. it seriously made a lot more sense to me. cuz i for knew that i hated alex and i hated how he was so biased with his drooges. And i did sympathize with him at the end. I think the most graphic scene is when alex has to lick the bottom of that dude's shoe. that just showed me the lowest a person can get it. i think stanley's a master. but nonetheless, i never want to see it again. kinda like Dancer In The Dark: it's a really good movie but it really kicked the crap out of me. it drains you and so my buddy jonny says that he has to have a full meal before he watched it so that he can take it. i mean there's a reason why it was banned from the U.K. anyway, thank you gold trumpet you really did help me. and i hope you don't "shred me to pieces" cuz i'll have to tell my buddy jonny and he has a cousin who's a security guard at the mall so watch it....    :P

just to let you know, i eat mall security gaurds for breakfast.

Quote from: Crashand i hope you don't "shred me to pieces" cuz i'll have to tell my buddy jonny and he has a cousin who's a security guard at the mall so watch it....    :P

What's he gonna do? Give GT a ticket for going 10 miles an hour in the parking lot? Not let him have free samples at the food court?

Mall security guards rock my silver whistle with the yellow string.  I don't think Kubrick necessarily had to show so much.  Yes, it gets a certain effect, but what I would admire more is if he could get the same effect withOUT doing that.  Kinda like in Magnolia.  Did Anderson have to have Mackey say all those things?  No, but he wanted us to see what a sleaze he was.  But I wish he could've done it another way.  How?  Beats me.  But that's okay.  A Clockwork Orange is pretty brilliant.  Though I don't think it's his best.  2001 kicks bootay.  I mean, c'mon, it's so freakin boring, yet so brilliant!  I dunno.  I think it's his best, most artistic film.  But still, my FAV film of his is Eyes Wide Shut.  Never thought it would be, but it is.

Love,
Jonny

Quote from: LinkI don't think Kubrick necessarily had to show so much.  

what is this referring to? are you saying he didn't have too much to show as a director? or are you speaking about "you wish he handn't shown so much" in a certian film...either way; in what context is this comment?

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what is this referring to? are you saying he didn't have too much to show as a director? or are you speaking about "you wish he handn't shown so much" in a certian film...either way; in what context is this comment?

He wishes that A Clockwork Orange wasn't as violent.

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Quote from: LinkI don't think Kubrick necessarily had to show so much.  

what is this referring to? are you saying he didn't have too much to show as a director? or are you speaking about "you wish he handn't shown so much" in a certian film...either way; in what context is this comment?

He wishes that A Clockwork Orange wasn't as violent.

the whole point of a wish, is to wish for something that has the possibility of coming true -- unfortunately that wish, is about as close to a lost cause as one can get.

I must say - Clockwork Orange is artistically brilliant.  However, i think it gets a little overated at times for breaking barriers with violence and sex.  NOT that i have a problem with that.  but i think it contributes too much to its esteem.  I love the book, however, and think Kubrick did a GREAT visual adaptation.  i opt for 2001.  it's all about pace and development with kubrick.  truly genius.  dr. strangelove coming in 2nd

Quote from: USTopGun47I must say - Clockwork Orange is artistically brilliant.  However, i think it gets a little overated at times for breaking barriers with violence and sex.  NOT that i have a problem with that.  but i think it contributes too much to its esteem.  I love the book, however, and think Kubrick did a GREAT visual adaptation.  i opt for 2001.  it's all about pace and development with kubrick.  truly genius.  dr. strangelove coming in 2nd

Yeah, I went to a screening of Clockwork Orange at the WB 75th Anniversary Retrospective, and the "cult" that came out seemed not to fully understand the film, or had decided just to focus on and celebrate one part (the sex and violence graphically depicted) and ignore the other (the implication of us all in the eternal struggle of free will vs. guarantees).

Same thing happened with Taxi Driver, obviously. Both films well worth loving, but it seems some people love them for dubious reasons, or because they're way misconstruing what they're about.

Oh so true about Taxi Driver.  People really buy into shock value.  It seems like they could make more good movies about an anti-hero today though, you really don't see any.   :P

A Clockwork Orange

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Agreed

Oh bah... I hate all the 'depressed' kids who think ACO is awesome cause of all the violence.

Someone told me a story once of one of their friends saying something like, "Hey I started a group of people called THE DROOGS!"

Ugh. So annoying.

dr. strangelove all the way baby.  with a clockwork orange and eyes wide shut following closely..........

2001...

There's nothing like it. In my mind, it's the purest piece of cinematic art.

But I can't get over Full Metal Jacket... it's close.

2001 was the greatest thing he did for humanity, so of course it will be praised for centuries to come..

but the shining is the greatest thing he did for himself, really now, it's incredible. especially after the Barry Lyndon flop. sure everyone went to see it cos of Jack, and that's still the only selling point.. but visually he was never more bold. thematically he took the subject of fear and ripped it the fuck up through The Uncanny (Freudian) and dark history.. the shining covers all the human mindscape that 2001 sacrificed for heavenly transcendence.

JB, u might like FMJ for similar reasons.. they hav much in common, in urs it's Jungian duality. i think the shining is very much a sleep-and-i-can't-wake-up situation, FMJ an awake-and-i-can't-stop-dreamin steez. the breakdown of pyle is like Jack's, if u can imagine Joker as jack's other (living) half, u'll see the echo of pyle resonate in his head all the way past his mercy killing to the eerily familiar ending of a disembodied entity singing a song of yesteryear.

Quote from: Pthe shining covers all the human mindscape that 2001 sacrificed for heavenly transcendence.

I'm convinced... I'll have to check it out again... For some reason (although I love the movie) it's always the one that I never get very attached to...

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Absolutely...  :shock: ...

A little careless of me not to look for the same level of meaning in The Shining.

I'm really curious to know what you'd think of some of his really early stuff, like The Killing & Killer's Kiss...

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanI'm really curious to know what you'd think of some of his really early stuff, like The Killing & Killer's Kiss...

they hav many similarities, not the least of which is that in both films plans are ruined/complicated by sluts.

seriously tho, killer's kiss is alright, structurally he does wonderful things with what coulda been a simple plan-gone-wrong story. the big weakness is the ending, and generally crummy acting. it's clear he was just messing around with what the camera and editing could do, one big dance around his true (future) intentions. culminating in that flashback within a flashback where ruth sobotka is doing her ballet. the end is just pussywhipped, and he wishes it did feel right but he knows and makes us know it really doesn't, even tho it appears fine.

the killing, 'what a ripper', as aussies would say. kubrick has always been intrigued by time, again he plays with it in a similar convoluted way as killer's kiss. but now intentions and moments match perfectly, he hits all the right notes and the ending is totally the opposite of killer's kiss. just grim reality, the end of the road, very much a "now" moment.

and i havn't seen fear and desire but i can imagine it's amateur hour. i think about his napoleon project and how ironic it is that he never got it made. it woulda been the ultimate kubrick film, encompassing everything he ever did full circle. as it stands, he did finish on a fresh patch, that's good enuff for me.

I rented 2001 once and got so bored I fell asleep.

And...psha...A Clockwork Orange wasn't violent enough, sunshine.

Quote from: Jensen BriggsI rented 2001 once and got so bored I fell asleep.

And...psha...A Clockwork Orange wasn't violent enough, sunshine.

You are The Gold Trumpet's worst enemy...i can see that already.

Quote from: Jensen BriggsI rented 2001 once and got so bored I fell asleep.

And...psha...A Clockwork Orange wasn't violent enough, sunshine.

I wanna party with you cowboy...

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Barry Lyndon.  Quite possibly the most beautifully photographed film ever.  If nothing else, the battle sequences make it worth viewing.  The use of music is exquisite.  The costumes and sets vividly recreate a lost era.  Most of the shots have the visual depth of great landscape paintings.

It is true that this film moves slowly, but back in the late 1700's, life was slower.  People traveled by horse and carriage, or on foot, and there was a great deal of formality in social interaction.  Hence, the style of the film reflects this.

I like your thinking soixante. I just recently watched Eyes Wide Shut all the way through, and I absolutely loved it. Something about the long shots, the colors, and the music really made me feel like I was immersed in a nightmare. And plus, Nicole Kidman gets naked in it more times than I can count on my fingers. boo-yah.

Quote from: Chest RockwellAnd plus, Nicole Kidman gets naked in it more times than I can count on my fingers. boo-yah.

You only have two fingers?

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You only have two fingers?

Maybe the guy's got two hooks. One on each hand. :shrugs:

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You only have two fingers?

Maybe the guy's got two hooks. One on each hand. :shrugs:

Or he just can't count very high. Or doesn't have a spare hand to count much higher...

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You only have two fingers?

Maybe the guy's got two hooks. One on each hand. :shrugs:

Or he just can't count very high. Or doesn't have a spare hand to count much higher...

xixax comedy at its finest, ladies and germs.

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You only have two fingers?

Maybe the guy's got two hooks. One on each hand. :shrugs:

Or he just can't count very high. Or doesn't have a spare hand to count much higher...

These are all good ideas, but I'm really high on my idea about the hooks. We can even change his name to Chest Hookwell. Maybe I should stop thinking about this...

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You only have two fingers?

Maybe the guy's got two hooks. One on each hand. :shrugs:

Or he just can't count very high. Or doesn't have a spare hand to count much higher...

OR ..maybe he saw the directors cut

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Quote from: Chest RockwellAnd plus, Nicole Kidman gets naked in it more times than I can count on my fingers. boo-yah.

You only have two fingers?

Maybe the guy's got two hooks. One on each hand. :shrugs:

Or he just can't count very high. Or doesn't have a spare hand to count much higher...

OR ..maybe he saw the directors cut

With hooks for hands?! C'mon, Neon. Get with the program.

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Quote from: Chest RockwellAnd plus, Nicole Kidman gets naked in it more times than I can count on my fingers. boo-yah.

You only have two fingers?

Maybe the guy's got two hooks. One on each hand. :shrugs:

Or he just can't count very high. Or doesn't have a spare hand to count much higher...

OR ..maybe he saw the directors cut

With hooks for hands?! C'mon, Neon. Get with the program.

People with hooks for hands aren't able to watch Directors' Cuts?

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Quote from: Chest RockwellAnd plus, Nicole Kidman gets naked in it more times than I can count on my fingers. boo-yah.

You only have two fingers?

Maybe the guy's got two hooks. One on each hand. :shrugs:

Or he just can't count very high. Or doesn't have a spare hand to count much higher...

OR ..maybe he saw the directors cut

With hooks for hands?! C'mon, Neon. Get with the program.

People with hooks for hands aren't able to watch Directors' Cuts?

No, because they get jealous that their hands aren't shears.

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Quote from: Chest RockwellAnd plus, Nicole Kidman gets naked in it more times than I can count on my fingers. boo-yah.

You only have two fingers?

Maybe the guy's got two hooks. One on each hand. :shrugs:

Or he just can't count very high. Or doesn't have a spare hand to count much higher...

OR ..maybe he saw the directors cut

With hooks for hands?! C'mon, Neon. Get with the program.

People with hooks for hands aren't able to watch Directors' Cuts?

No, because they get jealous that their hands aren't shears.

Ah, I see. That would lead to them having final cut.

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Quote from: Chest RockwellAnd plus, Nicole Kidman gets naked in it more times than I can count on my fingers. boo-yah.

You only have two fingers?

Maybe the guy's got two hooks. One on each hand. :shrugs:

Or he just can't count very high. Or doesn't have a spare hand to count much higher...

OR ..maybe he saw the directors cut

With hooks for hands?! C'mon, Neon. Get with the program.

People with hooks for hands aren't able to watch Directors' Cuts?

No, because they get jealous that their hands aren't shears.

Ah, I see. That would lead to them having final cut.

Touché, Mac.  :lol:

Hahahahahahahahah

Ahh that was good. *wipes tear

Don't think I've laughed out loud literally on Xixax before, hehe.

i don't get it.  :(

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chest rockwell has a maximum of 3 fingers.

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Quote from: Chest RockwellAnd plus, Nicole Kidman gets naked in it more times than I can count on my fingers. boo-yah.

You only have two fingers?

Maybe the guy's got two hooks. One on each hand. :shrugs:

Or he just can't count very high. Or doesn't have a spare hand to count much higher...

OR ..maybe he saw the directors cut

With hooks for hands?! C'mon, Neon. Get with the program.

People with hooks for hands aren't able to watch Directors' Cuts?

No, because they get jealous that their hands aren't shears.

Ah, I see. That would lead to them having final cut.

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This has to be one of the funniest threads ever.

I realize this thread has pretty much died but I'd like to selfishly add my two cents.   :P

I'm biased both because I haven't seen all his films and I just watched "A Clockwork Orange" again last night, but I'd have to go for 2001 and ACO as my two favourites...  The Shining and Dr. Strangelove are definitely up there too but I think the former two would be my "Kubrick desert island" picks     :-D

My favorite too.  I still can't get the scene out of my head when Danny is sitting in the hallway and the ball rolls up to him.

It's just a ball.  A ball!

But the damn thing, to this day, scares the piss out of me. :twisted:

Quote from: taz.Shining was my first Kubrick film. When I was 7, I was extremely afraid of horror movies and wanted to get over that fear, so me and my mom went and rented a whole bunch of horror movies. Shining was at the top of my list. It was, and will always be, my favorite Kubrick.

The Kubrick film, which I have put off seeing for a long time, for fear that it would dissapoint me was Barry Lyndon. Looking through this thread, I found a few Barry Lyndon references...

I watched the film in two parts over the past two days. I watched the first half of the film to Intermission, and then I followed up the rest of the film today.

Barry Lyndon is absolutely amazing. And supriseingly this film has rose to my #1 Kubrick film.

In my eyes, it is no question, that Stanley Kubrick is a brilliant filmmaker.

In Barry Lyndon, Kubrick did, what most filmmakers never achieve in a lifetime.



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Quote from: ThecowgoooesmoooIn Barry Lyndon, Kubrick did, what most filmmakers never achieve in a lifetime.

What?

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Quote from: ThecowgoooesmoooIn Barry Lyndon, Kubrick did, what most filmmakers never achieve in a lifetime.

What?

I don't think you'll get an answer from him anytime soon.

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Quote from: ThecowgoooesmoooIn Barry Lyndon, Kubrick did, what most filmmakers never achieve in a lifetime.

What?

yeah, it's a shame this was the only time cowmoo said anything right..

a better statement would be that with every film since Lolita kubrick did what most ppl never achieve in their lifetime. and that's TOTALLY OWN YOU.

I have a theory: the older you get, the higher Barry Lyndon moves up on your Kubrick-favorites-list.  It was at the bottom for me (I saw it at a pathetically young, inept age where I was disappointed that every flick didn't have an ear-slicing scene scored to 'Stuck in the Middle With You') early on in my movie-watching years, but it now sits firmly at #1, and don't suspect it will be going anywhere soon.

The older one gets, the more one tends to appreciate artful, gracefully-paced films period, really.  Though I always want to be able to appreciate kinetic films that do things right, too.

Quote from: Weak2ndActI have a theory: the older you get, the higher Barry Lyndon moves up on your Kubrick-favorites-list.  It was at the bottom for me (I saw it at a pathetically young, inept age where I was disappointed that every flick didn't have an ear-slicing scene scored to 'Stuck in the Middle With You') early on in my movie-watching years, but it now sits firmly at #1, and don't suspect it will be going anywhere soon.

i agree with that. same can be said for everything after barry lyndon.

just for shucks, here's a basic timeline of kubrick maturity..

optimistic youth - Strangelove, 2001, Clork Orange.
maturity and the beast - lyndon, shin, fulmj.
old guy saying "this is how it was in my life" - ews.

for this reason i think ews is the most rewarding, and everything since lyndon is preparation for it. the last 2 years i've been more of a shining duuk myself. but they're all good for an immersive Now experience. funny thing is my first ever favorite Clork, is now near the bottom of the list..

Problem is, from the first time I saw EWS, even before I was all movie geek, I knew it was something special, and it has always been my favorite Kubrick (though I still have a lot of them to see).  Generalizations are a nice guideline, but they don't always work perfectly.

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then u don't even know what i'm talking about, sorry.

Yes, I do.

u know what i'm talking about without having seen all of the films i mentioned?

Yep.  Only one I haven't see is Full Metal Jacket, and though I have read a lot about it, I hesitate to narrow its theme down to "war bad" considering the drilling you gave mod-age over saying the same thing about The Thin Red Line.  I guess saying I haven't seen "a lot" was the wrong wording.  But, one is "a lot" for Kubrick.

kubrick left the bad and good judgements after he made Spartacus. that's not even what he's about.

my generalizations were "for shucks", i wasn't proposing a new life philosophy. but i can back em up if u wish to get into it.

Kubrick was such a perfectionist. Picking the best Kubrick film for me would be like having to choose which one of my (future) seven children i like best.

I love all of them and they're all positively perfect (in my eyes)

Even Barry Lyndon?

Especially Barry Lyndon, mofo.

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Me too, now that I think of it... Dr. Strangelove has also slided to the bottom for me.

Can you expound on your 2001 placement, though?

interesting thing about 2001: i remember reading a kubrick interview in which he was talking about how he loved to hear what little kids had to say about it and more importantly- how they reacted- b/c they weren't concerned with the "why" and the "how" as much as the experience itself. (i'm paraphrasing from the interview here obviously but it makes sense nonetheless)

i didn't actually see 2001 until late in my movie watching career (freshman year of college surprisingly) clockwork was my first kubrick experience, then strangelove. i don't even think i could pick a favorite, but i can say that the one(s) that hold up best for me on repeat viewings are full metal and EWS.

Quote from: ©bradinteresting thing about 2001: i remember reading a kubrick interview in which he was talking about how he loved to hear what little kids had to say about it and more importantly- how they reacted- b/c they weren't concerned with the "why" and the "how" as much as the experience itself. (i'm paraphrasing from the interview here obviously but it makes sense nonetheless).

my lil bro who is 8 years old has watched 2001 a couple of times with me... he likes it probably coz i like it, but he cracks up everytime with the monkey parts  especially when he is slamming the bone on the ground and when he throws the bone up.  im like WOWWWWWW and hes laughing his heart out.  i dont know what hes thinking though, if the movie is really supposed to be funny or he thinks it stupid.

Quote from: Sanjuroi dont know what hes thinking though, if the movie is really supposed to be funny or he thinks it stupid.

It's not supposed to be funny?

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Quote from: Sanjuroi dont know what hes thinking though, if the movie is really supposed to be funny or he thinks it stupid.

It's not supposed to be funny?

never found it funny. well sometimes id be like hahahhaah but right after woooooooh!!!

2001 is the best
clockwork is my favorite
although i do love the killing

It has to be 2001 for me .Of all of his movies this is the most beautifully mastered


Its the one that kicked every other director in the nuts with its true
artistic genius

Seen em all. However, I can't sit through #9 and #10 again.

1. Clockwork Orange (The dialogue. The music. My god, the music. The visuals! So good..)
2. 2001: A Space Odyssey (What a toss-up! Is this my #1 favorite or is Clockwork Orange? Tough call..)
3. The Shining (I watch this at least once a year.)
4. Eyes Wide Shut (The best looking Kubrick film. Nicole Kidman isn't bad looking either.)
5. Dr. Strangelove ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.")
6. Paths of Glory (The only Kubrick film that has brought me to tears.)
7. Full Metal Jacket (As soon as the film leaves boot camp, it goes downhill.)
8. Barry Lyndon (Great film. I love the lighting.)
9. Lolita (Bleh. It was alright. Perhaps the only so-so Kubrick film for me.)
10. Spartacus (Too long. Way too long. It is a good film, but I can't watch this again.)

Quote from: MyxomatosisSeen em all. However, I can't sit through #9 and #10 again.

9. Lolita (Bleh. It was alright. Perhaps the only so-so Kubrick film for me.)
10. Spartacus (Too long. Way too long. It is a good film, but I can't watch this again.)

gotta agree with you on spartacus. though lolita i can watch over and over again coz its just pure genius.

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7. Full Metal Jacket (As soon as the film leaves boot camp, it goes downhill.)

This is also the problem i have with fmj -- the boot camp is wonderful -- i feel the movie climaxes with piles meltdown -- the rest seems this long cathartic conclusion -- the end definately resonates however -- but what i always found interesting was; this is one of the only films where Kubrick seems to be taking an active angle, i.e argueing a point -- his intention was to make an anti-war movie -- when you decide to make an anti-war movie theres inevitably an inherent agenda -- to convey that war is bad -- tehres the tendency to focus more on proving your point then to conveying a story; thats not to say that theres not story here...

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7. Full Metal Jacket (As soon as the film leaves boot camp, it goes downhill.)

This is also the problem i have with fmj -- the boot camp is wonderful -- i feel the movie climaxes with piles meltdown -- the rest seems this long cathartic conclusion -- the end definately resonates however -- but what i always found interesting was; this is one of the only films where Kubrick seems to be taking an active angle, i.e argueing a point -- his intention was to make an anti-war movie -- when you decide to make an anti-war movie theres inevitably an inherent agenda -- to convey that war is bad -- tehres the tendency to focus more on proving your point then to conveying a story; thats not to say that theres not story here...

I always thought his point was that soul brothers were too beaucoup...

actually FMJ wasn't an anti-war movie, he already made that with Paths of Glory, according to Michael Herr who wrote the film with him, kubrick was trying to consider the subject of war "without a moral position or political position, but rather as a phenomenon".

this is the most misunderstood aspect of FMJ, it shows war as it is, and anything shown as Being is neither right nor wrong. the ending is even constructed in a way that creates a conflict which should conclusively annihilate any notions of right and wrong, it is at once merciful and vengeful. yet neither of those definitions grasp the full significance of it, it's really sumthing else entirely.

I watched Barry Lyndon again the other day and am able to understand its true brilliance now. My first viewing of it a year or so ago left me thinking that it was beautiful to look at but rather episodic and shallow. It IS episodic, as any film with clearly divided chapters would be, but the depth of character -- so subtly hidden in those long, quiet shots -- was something I missed completely before. The film presents such an encompassing view of one man's life that I'm now rather stunned by Kubrick's amazing economy in his storytelling.

Full Metal Jacket, the only other Kubrick film I didn't immediately love, will get my attention next.

I also recently came to the conclusion that Eyes Wide Shut is not only probably my favorite Kubrick film, but possibly my favorite film of all time (an evolving rank determined equally by a film's merits and what was happening personally around the time that I saw it).

I'm exhausted with people saying "the boot camp was great, but after that, well..."

The boot camp is the prologue. If you don't like the second half, you really don't like the movie.

Quote from: Pubrickactually FMJ wasn't an anti-war movie.

i disagree with this -- regardless of his intention, i feel it was just as much as an anti-war movie as paths of glory.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanI'm exhausted with people saying "the boot camp was great, but after that, well..."

The boot camp is the prologue. If you don't like the second half, you really don't like the movie.

im now interested in taking another look at this film -- kubri9ck is by far my favorite director -- i have seen fmj numerous times and it is my least favorite of his films -- but you have inspired me to give to another viewing.

Quote from: cowboykurtisi disagree with this -- regardless of his intention, i feel it was just as much as an anti-war movie as paths of glory.

that's fine, i was debating ur original post where kubrick's intentions were the basis of ur review.

Quote from: GhostboyI also recently came to the conclusion that Eyes Wide Shut is not only probably my favorite Kubrick film, but possibly my favorite film of all time (an evolving rank determined equally by a film's merits and what was happening personally around the time that I saw it).

It is god damn good, and way underrated.

Quote from: GhostboyI also recently came to the conclusion that Eyes Wide Shut is probably my favorite Kubrick film (an evolving rank determined equally by a film's merits and what was happening personally around the time that I saw it).

hey me too!  i thought it was 2001, but last year when i went through the bulk of his films consecutively, i realized that eyes wide shut was actually my favorite.  maybe because it was the only one i got to see in the theatre?  or maybe just because it has the strongest impact on me.

yeah eyes wide shut is way underrated...

man dont you just wish that kubrick was still alive and still making films?
it would be exciting to anticipate his upcoming masterpiece

I know what you mean . Its a pain in the ass when you've finally seen all his movies even  fear and desire and
theres no more left (except his short films) its like ....WELL WHAT NOW?

The way i look at it PTA is the closest thing today to what Kubrick did ...still its just not the same

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that's fine, i was debating ur original post where kubrick's intentions were the basis of ur review.

point taken

It's very good to see that more and more people think that Eyes Wide Shut was underrated. The more people think that, the sooner it will be rated as one of Kubrick's best films. At least that's what I hope.  I hope the underrated half-Kubrick-half-Spielberg film A.I. goes the same way....

After seeing all his generally available films (didn't see his shorts or Fear and Desire) I came to this conclusion:
1 2001: A space oddessey (It's hard for me to understand how anyone could disagree on that. One of the most comprehensive films I ever saw. And so beautiful that I could hang every still on my wall and look at it)
2 Eyes Wide Shut (His most sensitive film, I think)
3 A Clockwork Orange
4 The shining
5 Paths of Glory
6 Dr. strangelove
7 The Killing
8 Spartacus (Not very Kubrick-ish, but everyone who actually liked Gladiator should see this, way better)
9 Barry Lyndon (Shot beautiful, but too distant)
10 Full Metal Jacket
11 Lolita (Probably came too early, don't really like the light tone, had too darker)
12 Killer's Kiss (Only some hints of genius in the last scene, rest is very mediocre film-noir)

The first three rank among my personal favorite films of all time.
Well I think I'm still a listmaniac, for that matter.
And this is my first post here, so.... Hi!

welcome! lots of lists here.

Dr. Strangelove and 2001 are his best, imo. They are the only two films of his that I feel are "perfect".

Surely you cant count out Barry Lyndon if your criteria for bestness is perfection . Because that movie is absolutely perfect

Wasn't completly sure where to put this, but I guess this is good enough, right?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3537938.stm

The Shining named perfect scary movie
Stanley Kubrick's The Shining, starring Jack Nicholson, has been named the perfect scary film, according to a new mathematical formula.

I wish this was an article from The Onion.  It reminds me of the scene from Dead Poets Society where the students read from their textbook about a way to judge how good a poem is (by graphing its technical merits versus its "importance" or some such nonsense).  In other words?  The formula is just silly, though I don't deny how good The Shining is.  It's one of the few horror films I can even tolerate.

Lolita is fucking hilarious. I laugh out loud so many times watching this. I don't understand why others don't like it too much.

Though, I'd have to say that A Clockwork Orange is my favorite, if I really had to choose. And Barry Lyndon coming in second.

...since i know that at least 3 people here who are dying to know what my favorite kubrick films that i have seen  are....so i ll let you know now:



my favorite one is 2001.then its the shining.then it would be eyes wide shut..then a clockwork orange then lastly full metal jacket.....

your welcome... :|

I find that Kubrick's films change over time, and take on new meaning and become new experiences depending on where you are in life.  This is maybe the main reason he's my favorite director - the rewatchability of his films is endless.  I've seen every one countless times and never get bored; always finding something new to look at, listen to, be engaged by.  

For the longest time Strangelove was my favorite, then it was 2001 during my early 20s.  Then Clockwork Orange.  

When I was a teenager, Full Metal Jacket was my favorite, with its endlessly quotable dialogue.  But it was a terrifying film and a depressing one - only within the last couple of years did I come to the realization that the film is a dark comedy, which is why it's unfair to compare it to Apocalypse Now, Platoon or the Deer Hunter - all very serious films.  Just think about how funny the film is - Lee Ermey's insults, "Me So Horny", etc.

Currently, I've come to the realization that The Shining is my new favorite, my new "best".  It seems to be the most "Kubrick" of all of Kubrick's works.  He seems to always have had an obsession with space, and how interior and exterior spaces mirror human psychology (the trenches in Paths of Glory; the apartments and race track of The Killing; the space ships and vastness of the universe in 2001; the Korova Milk Bar, Alex's apartment and the prison of Clockwork; the Overlook in the Shining; the barracks of Full Metal Jacket, etc.)

The Overlook Hotel set gave him the most "closed" and most perfectly realized idea of space in his career.  The labyrinthine hotel perfectly mirrors the hedge maze and Jack's troubled mind.  The endless tracking shots of the hotel, repeated over and over, eventually create a hypnotic state, and the strangeness and eeriness of this is unlike anything else in cinema.  Full Metal Jacket has this quality in the early scenes, but then becomes a bit unfocused later on.  The Shining is distilled down to its essence, with 3 characters, a hotel, and some apparitions.  It's amazing.

Quote from: adolfwolfliI find that Kubrick's films change over time, and take on new meaning and become new experiences depending on where you are in life.

Quote from: adolfwolfliCurrently, I've come to the realization that The Shining is my new favorite, my new "best".

smart man.

Quote from: adolfwolfliFull Metal Jacket has this quality in the early scenes, but then becomes a bit unfocused later on.

while i respect and admire the thought u seem to hav put into arriving at ur various conclusions, i would like to suggest that in this case perhaps you are not focussing on the correct things "later on".

at the very least, approaching it from a design perspective as u are, FMJ comes together in the last sniper scenes. the smoke, fog, and movement around/through/into the sniper's lair are consistent with the psychology of the characters at this point.

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while i respect and admire the thought u seem to hav put into arriving at ur various conclusions, i would like to suggest that in this case perhaps you are not focussing on the correct things "later on".

at the very least, approaching it from a design perspective as u are, FMJ comes together in the last sniper scenes. the smoke, fog, and movement around/through/into the sniper's lair are consistent with the psychology of the characters at this point.

I agree.  I think the labyrinthine rubble of the city at the end of the film, and the marines navigating that space and coming up against the sniper in a strange way mirrors or paralells their experience at the boot camp.  The various obstacles.  Lee Ermey can be seen as a "verbal sniper", and in this the film has a beutiful symmetry.  It's actually the middle section of the film that's always bothered me - it seems scattershot and a bit episodic.  The boot camp and city at the end are brilliant, however.

from all the kubrick movies i've seen, here they are in order...

1. The Shining
2. 2001: A Space Odyssey
3. Dr. Strangelove
4. Eyes Wide Shut
5. Full Metal Jacket

Eyes Wide Shut is my favorite.

I really hate Kubrick lists.

Quote from: CinephileI really hate Kubrick lists.

http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?p=39631#39631

I know, it's awful. A year later and I've learned there is no point in ranking them like that. Kubrick would be insulted.

I'm sure Kubrick listed things.

Groceries to get, yeah.

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here's my list!

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TAKE THAT, LIST-FUCKERS!

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Quote from: CinephileGroceries to get, yeah.

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Quote from: rustinglasswelcome! lots of lists here.

Quote from: meatballI'm sure Kubrick listed things.

1.) Fuck with Shelly Duvall.
2.) Daily 100 takes on one shot.
3.) Pose for another photo for Fernando to use as an avatar.

4.) shave my beard and donate it for charity.

5.) play chess.

6.) FHM photo spread
7.) Fuck with Shelly Duvall (again)

8.) whack off while Pubrick watches.

you have every reason to live

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3.) Pose for another photo for Fernando to use as an avatar.

3.1) Give it to Mogwai to resize it.

9) Remember to know when a thread is dead.

10)Remember to know when a joke is dead

11. know to remember that its all in your head.

12. Must stop listening to Right Said Fred.

13.) TiVo Mr. Ed

some tv news service asked politicians what their favorite political movies were. two Kubrick films were mentioned.

Edwards - Dr. Strangelove
McCain - Paths of Glory

Quote from: bigideassome tv news service asked politicians what their favorite political movies were. two Kubrick films were mentioned.

Edwards - Dr. Strangelove
McCain - Paths of Glory

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