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Pubrick

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BTW....

My source: IMDB "The Master" boards. Some people were discussing movies that may have inspired PTA. That's where I got this information from.

I take ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIT for these finds. Ya hear that, Pubrick? ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIT. All credit goes to to the over-analytical douchebag IMDB users whose names I don't give enough of a shit to mention.  :yabbse-smiley:

For anyone wondering why Tyler just went on this little tirade I'll have to add some context.. I asked Tyler to cite his sources as it became apparent he was claiming to "discover" things he hadn't actually discovered himself.

Tyler the reason i asked you to cite your source is.. Why not? If the people on imdb making these discoveries are such "over analytical douchebags" not worth giving a shit about then why are you stealing their insights and claiming them as your own? Are you trying to be the "over analytical douchebag" of xixax?

I've got nothing against you personally, I can understand you were just trying to impress the grown ups, it's a stage we all go through in our pathetic teenage years. But don't you see that these people posting on imdb and other places, who are offering their insights to an unappreciative crowd, are exactly the kind of film folk we need around here. As I said, you're obviously trying to emulate them.

Just settle down, try not to throw a fit, and recognize that there's more to life than taking credit for other people's work.
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This thread's a total buzzkill now.  Let's go make fun of grammatical errors on the Playlist instead.
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Another John Huston reference...


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Ok... So I finally finished watching John Huston's "Let there be Light".... and WOW... Just... wow.




Watch from 44:22 until about 47:40... Dialogue is borrowed Verbatim.

And there's more pieces of dialogue throughout that are also borrowed... Funny how NONE OF IT is in the script that I have... Paul probably watched this and did major changes.


They also wear the same uniforms as in "The Master" and is shot very similar.

Also this shot:






I'm actually shocked at the fact that Paul decided to borrow all of that dialogue without really changing much... Doesn't seem like his style. But then again, if it ain't broke, why fix it?


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I'm actually shocked at the fact that Paul decided to borrow all of that dialogue without really changing much... Doesn't seem like his style. But then again, if it ain't broke, why fix it?

I'm not shocked at all. He lifts shots so why not dialogue? It's well known that the milkshake speech is taken from a Congressional hearing in the 20s. Granted, that one was said to be paraphrased and incorporated into his own writing. Much of Eli's first sermon is taken verbatim from Elmer Gantry. I can't think of them right now but there are others in his other films.

Everybody steals. Not just Tarantino, though he is probably the most vocal about it. I, for one, really like the idea of things just falling into a project's orbit and getting drawn in. It's a romantic, organic process. 

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I, for one, really like the idea of things just falling into a project's orbit and getting drawn in. It's a romantic, organic process.

I agree... These last couple of weeks have been eye opening for me as far as my writing process goes. For some reason I always thought "borrowing" was a bad thing, simply because I always felt that being "unoriginal" was probably the worst thing an artist could be. But all these references have got me thinking differently... "Borrowing" doesn't mean you're unoriginal or mediocre.. You CAN take an idea and expand on it and make it your own. It's all about what you add to it. It's not about where you take the idea from, but where you take the idea to.

It really makes me mad, thinking about all the scenes I erased because they reminded me too much of something else : /... Shit, I watch movies everyday. Of course anything I write is gonna remind me of something else..

Anyways... I really been thinking of doing a Video where I put every single reference that I've found throughout the years. Like every single one, Scorsese, PTA, Tarantino, De Palma, Wes anderson, even all those things Kubrick took from Bergman. I got a ton of them written down in a notebook somewhere, I should really find it and start editing shit... When I find the time, I'll definitely do that.
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I might have to go dust off my abandoned screenplays, "Disco Evenings" and "Chrysanthemum".
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I might have to go dust off my abandoned screenplays, "Disco Evenings" and "Chrysanthemum".

I've actually been working on some action scripts: Impending Carnage, Wasted Romance, and Hard Eight. I'll read yours if you read mine.
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It's well known that the milkshake speech is taken from a Congressional hearing in the 20s.

Wait. What?

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And don't forget the Tom Cruise speech in Magnolia.

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It's well known that the milkshake speech is taken from a Congressional hearing in the 20s.

Wait. What?

From http://www.laweekly.com/2008-01-17/film-tv/blood-sweat-and-tears/:

"I must admit to you where that came from," Anderson says giddily, noting that the eccentric metaphor comes straight from the congressional transcripts of the 1920s "Teapot Dome" scandal, in which New Mexico Republican Senator Albert Fall was convicted of accepting bribes for the oil-drilling rights to public lands in California and Wyoming from several oil-industry fat cats (including Edward Doheny).

"I think it was Albert Fall, who was asked to describe drainage before Congress," Anderson continues. "And his way of describing it was, 'If you have a milk shake and I have a milk shake, and my straw reaches across the room...' I'm sure I embellished it and changed it around and made it more Plainview. But Fall used the word 'milk shake,' and I thought it was so great. It was mad to see that word among all this official testimony and terminology a fucking milk shake. I get so happy every time I hear that word."
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And don't forget the Tom Cruise speech in Magnolia.

Yeah, that's right. The bedside "don't go away" is from Last Tango in Paris and a lot of his Seduce and Destroy material is taken from transcriptions of actual pickup artist gurus. That's the other thing. PTA and most filmmakers also take from novels and research material, so their references may be more difficult to spot. I don't think Tarantino can read.

I've actually been working on some action scripts: Impending Carnage, Wasted Romance, and Hard Eight.

I would totally see Impending Carnage.

Seems the "serious" part of this fanalysis has gone by the wayside. Sorry, Pubrick, sir.

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Ok, I got some free time right now... So let's do this...


First off, All of PTA's endings....


Hard eight: House of Games

(No video available... But the Ending is taken from David Mamet's "House of Games")


Boogie Nights: Raging Bull (Scorsese)




Magnolia: Nights of Cabiria (Fellini)




Punch-Drunk Love: A woman is a woman (Godard)

(No video available either because fucking youtube doesn't have it... But check it out, is the same ending)....


There will be Blood has an Original ending... But Plainview saying "I'm finished!" still reminds me of William Dafoe at the end of "The last temptation of Christ" yelling: "It is accomplished!".. But maybe that's just me.


Anyways...


Yes, as you just mentioned,  the scene where Tom cruise goes to see his father in MAGNOLIA mirrors very closely they way Brando goes to see his dead mother in Bertolucci's "Last tango in Paris".

Also the way Earl partridge's room looks is extremely similar to one of the hospital rooms in Altman's "NASHVILLE"

When rollergirl skates over to eddie (right before she blows him), those low shots of the skates down the hall are lifted straight from John Carpenter's "The thing".

PSH going "I'm an idiot, a fucking idiot, a fucking idiot.." is a reference to De niro in Raging bul going: "You're so stupid, you're so fucking stupid.."

"Boogie nights" also owes major credit to "Saturday night fever"... PTA borrows everything from multiple songs to even the way Dirk Diggler's room looks exactly like Travolta's room.

The "Slow Dolly In" into the dude in donut store in Boogie nights reminds me of those slow dolly ins scorsese does in TAXI DRIVER when Travis looks at the black pimps.

The Jump cuts of the guy opening the safe during the robbery at the donut store is borrowed from Robert rodruiguez/Tarantino's "From dusk 'til dawn" at the beginning.

The Bright Flashes of the camera in Boogie Nights, are taken from RAGING BULL.. But Scorsese took them from some old film that I can't remember... If anyone remembers, let me know.

Steadicam wanders around Dirk's house.... Goodfellas.

Alfred Molina's character in Boogie nights and also the gun trick he does, also the 360 shot of Dirk's room taken from the french movie: "La Haine"... Also the dance "Vinz" does in his dream reminds me a lot of the dance Barry Egan/Sandler does in PDL.

The looks of the mom and dad in Boogie Nights, also the way they act... Borrowed from Robert Redford's "Ordinary people"

Those 3 "establishing Close ups" that PTA constantly does in boogie nights (specially at the beginning when he's introducing all the characters) is taken also from RAGING BULL... But Scorsese took them from Antonioni.

Boogie nights borrows many shots from Scorsese's CASINO... Like, MANY shots.

Hard eight borrows a lot from Jonathan demme's MELVIN AND HOWARD and Jean-Pierre Melville's BOB THE GAMBLER.

The Close-Up of Daniel Plainview's signature borrowed from Kubrick's BARRY LYNDON.

The Low angle Chin Close up of Paul Dano during the baptism, same shot as the one Kubrick does to the Preacher in Jail... In A CLOCKWORK ORANGE.

The Rig burning in TWBB is inspired by the burning of the crops in Terrence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN (a couple more things also borrowed from here).... To be honest, this is my favorite. PTA just took that shit to a whole 'nother level. He made a fucking painting out of it. Genius.

That Sloooow shot of the man working, leading up to Plainview reuniting with his son... is borrowed from BLAZING SADDLES.

The quick scene in MAGNOLIA, where the cops are taking fingerprints and asking about "the worm?".. Mirrors scene in The Coen's RAISING ARIZONA.

Julianne Moore crying in boogie nights... Mirrors Jodie Foster crying in Demme's SILENCE OF THE LAMBS.

Shot of the House "transforming" into the school in MAGNOLIA... Technique borrowed from Nichol's THE GRADUATE.

Donnie opening the vault at his job... Shot exactly like when Joe Pesci opens the vault at his house in CASINO.

Close up of the words in the letter at the beginning of Magnolia, Mirrors the reading of "Howard's letter" in MELVIN AND HOWARD.


BTW that's just off the top of my head, I wish I had footage to go along with it... I know there's more things PTA has borrowed, just can't remember them right now.

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I believe Plainview's final line is taken from some of Jesus' final words spoken in the bible- "it is finished."

 

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