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SoNowThen

#210
December 04, 2003, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: Weak2ndActHuh, what an interesting list.  I'm happy that 14 of my choices made it, but it seems like those that did get in were the safest.
Cheers:
- My Life to Live (!!!!! I am not alone!  I'm miffed Contempt didn't make the cut-- I figured people would have been all over that criterion-- but I'll settle for this).
- Barry Lyndon (this bores some to tears, but it's my favorite Kubrick).
- Elephant Man (I didn't even vote for it, but I love Lynch, so it's all good).
Jeers:
- Casino (I love it, but Marty's made many more better films than this one)
- Too much PTA (I love the guy, but sheesh, kids, expand your horizons!)
- No Soderbergh (I voted for Schizopolis and The Limey)
- No Peckinpah (Wild Bunch?  Straw Dogs?  Garcia?)
- No Altman (McCabe, Short Cuts, The Player, Nashville all seem worthy)
- The Third Man :cry:

I don't wanna complain, because I like the list, but I agree with all of the above.

Especially because I really don't like Lynch, but always enjoyed Elephant Man.

My only real sadness is seeing Walkabout not on the list. Oh well. Maybe next year.

But YEAH YEAH!!!! to seeing My Life To Live on there!
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

Redlum

#211
December 04, 2003, 09:26:55 AM
Dont get me wrong, that is a great list, I love every single film on there but......NO SPIELBERG!??  :cry:  That makes me sad.

But still a great list. Going to be quite hard to choose from.
\"I wanted to make a film for kids, something that would present them with a kind of elementary morality. Because nowadays nobody bothers to tell those kids, \'Hey, this is right and this is wrong\'.\"
  -  George Lucas

godardian

#212
December 04, 2003, 10:07:15 AM
I'm not disappointed by no Spielberg.

I do wish there were more older films, and I could've done with at least one from Bergman/Wilder/Chaplin instead of two or three nineties films apiece from certain directors (I limited myself to one film per director on my list of 30).
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

Banky

#213
December 04, 2003, 10:13:23 AM
i really with Crowe could have had his one slot

Gold Trumpet

#214
December 04, 2003, 10:18:54 AM
For the final list, do we vote for 10 or 15? I'm just curious

Jeremy Blackman

#215
December 04, 2003, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: P
Quote from: Gamblor the Manwhorethey voted for their favorite films, but now, looking at the list, people are looking for the best films ever made list, which I think might explain more modern films that past and why the list isn't more eclectic. There's a difference between favorite and best, so I think there might be some confusion as to what kind of list we actually have here. 11 of mine got on, some that I'd forgotten about too (Elephant Man), so I guess I'm fine with it.
this is exactly right. everyone read this and be enlightened.

I'm the one that really advocated voting "favorites." I'll take the blame if people think it didn't work, but I think it did. It's a good way to escape the oppression of choosing movies you don't necessarily love, but that the consensus has chosen as "The Greatest."

This is why we have 3 PTA movies and no Spielberg. We have a younger demographic that is really more connected to movies of their generation. There's nothing wrong with that.

godardian

#216
December 04, 2003, 10:28:16 AM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetFor the final list, do we vote for 10 or 15? I'm just curious

I thought we got to vote for 15... I hope.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

Jeremy Blackman

#217
December 04, 2003, 10:30:33 AM
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetFor the final list, do we vote for 10 or 15? I'm just curious

I thought we got to vote for 15... I hope.

Yes. Deka=10. Penta=5.

edit: oh yeah. SoNowThen is right. You vote for 10. We pick 15.

We'll announce (soon, hopefully) when the voting will begin, and the exact rules for it.

Most likely it will be like this:

1. 10 points
2. 9 points
3. 8 points
4. 7 points
(...and so on)

SoNowThen

#218
December 04, 2003, 10:32:17 AM
We vote for 10 each now, and they pick the top 15.

And I agree with JB's post above.
Everyone should keep in mind that we're doing an updated list each year, and it'll be interesting to watch things change as our members see many more films. Like, when everyone watches The Conformist by next year, then it will be on the list like it deserves...  :wink:
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

godardian

#219
December 04, 2003, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: SoNowThenWe vote for 10 each now, and they pick the top 15.

And I agree with JB's post above.
Everyone should keep in mind that we're doing an updated list each year, and it'll be interesting to watch things change as our members see many more films. Like, when everyone watches The Conformist by next year, then it will be on the list like it deserves...  :wink:

Hopefully it'll be on DVD by then, so it will be seen as it deserves to be seen, as well. I've only seen it once, on the big screen at Portland's fantastic revival mecca, The Hollywood Theater.

I think it's actually 15 we get to vote for, not 10... and then everyone's 15 votes will be counted for a final list of 15...?
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

ono

#220
December 04, 2003, 10:37:43 AM
Quote from: SoNowThenEveryone should keep in mind that we're doing an updated list each year, and it'll be interesting to watch things change as our members see many more films. Like, when everyone watches The Conformist by next year, then it will be on the list like it deserves...  :wink:
Anyone think we should update the list more often, like, say, every six, four, or three months?

godardian

#221
December 04, 2003, 10:42:14 AM
Quote from: Onomatopoeia
Quote from: SoNowThenEveryone should keep in mind that we're doing an updated list each year, and it'll be interesting to watch things change as our members see many more films. Like, when everyone watches The Conformist by next year, then it will be on the list like it deserves...  :wink:
Anyone think we should update the list more often, like, say, every six, four, or three months?

That sounds like a lot of work for the admins... plus, there's something to be said for letting it stand. Changing around too much can undermine the solidity of it. Tempting, though, esp. if you have lots of movies you haven't seen yet.

Please see My Life to Live before voting, O! And that goes for everyone else, too.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

Gold Trumpet

#222
December 04, 2003, 10:42:47 AM
Yes, I'm very very willing to give The Conformist a shot. I've always wanted to see that film.

But, to a lot of the complaints about the selections. On one hand, I like that it is a personal list coming from the board, but also I dislike that a group of 5 directors basically cleaned house. I like Godardian's approach in picking only one film from a director. That could be a good rule for next year. It doesn't force people to pick older classics, but makes them dig harder for a variety of films. I think the main problem is the lack of variety. I, for one, am going to by that rule for the final vote.

Jeremy Blackman

#223
December 04, 2003, 10:43:17 AM
Quote from: godardianThat sounds like a lot of work for the admins.

Yes. Thank you.

aclockworkjj

#224
December 04, 2003, 10:44:13 AM
am i the only one that woulda had The English Patient on here?
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