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Title: TWBB DVD
Post by: MacGuffin on February 19, 2008, 02:28:24 PM
Less than two months hence (on April 8th), Paramount Home Video will release There Will Be Blood on DVD (in single and double-disc versions). Paul Thomas Anderson's film will also go out on the throughly dead HD-DVD format. PHV will almost certainly put it out on Blu-ray as well, although that's speculative. The DVD will include (a) additional Scenes, (b) "The Story of Petroleum" featurette, (c) "Dailies Gone Wild" featurette, and (d) trailers.

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Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: The Red Vine on February 19, 2008, 03:02:04 PM
Fucking cover.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: md on February 19, 2008, 03:17:01 PM
That's not going to be the cover.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: RegularKarate on February 19, 2008, 03:20:29 PM
Quote from: md on February 19, 2008, 03:17:01 PM
That's not going to be the cover.

no, it will be plastered with "Academy Award Winning" and "Best Reviewed Film of Forever" etc...
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 19, 2008, 03:25:53 PM
Or we can all just wait for Paramount's inevitable "'Goddamn Helluva' Edition."
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Sleepless on February 19, 2008, 04:25:58 PM
It could be worse:

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Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: JG on February 19, 2008, 04:27:15 PM
Quote from: Sleepless on February 19, 2008, 04:25:58 PM
It could be worse:

"My favorite movie of the year!" --Diablo Cody
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Pozer on February 19, 2008, 04:30:30 PM
my vote for "'Goddamn Helluva' Edition" cover.  no titles or credits save for spine and back.  

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Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Find Your Magali on February 19, 2008, 07:48:34 PM
My cover for the DVD would be very simple:

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Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: last days of gerry the elephant on February 19, 2008, 09:18:04 PM
Very Kubrick of you.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: RegularKarate on February 20, 2008, 03:25:01 PM
Quote from: overmeunderyou on February 19, 2008, 09:18:04 PM
Very Kubrick spoilery of you.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Astrostic on February 22, 2008, 11:21:08 AM
this is up on amazon, is this the one that was mentioned on cigarettes and red vines?  seems fan made.

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Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: The Red Vine on February 22, 2008, 11:51:14 AM
Most certainly fan made I think.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Sleepless on February 22, 2008, 11:54:51 AM
Definitely. It's like the Inland Empire cover. What would be nice is if it looked exactly like the teaser poster.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Redlum on February 22, 2008, 06:00:08 PM
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The HD-DVD might be up in the air now, however.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 22, 2008, 06:16:56 PM
Quote from: Redlum on February 22, 2008, 06:00:08 PM
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The HD-DVD might be up in the air now, however.

The two-disc edition cover is pure class.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: tpfkabi on February 22, 2008, 06:18:59 PM
Quote from: Sleepless on February 19, 2008, 04:25:58 PM
It could be worse:

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Alternate "I Drink Your Milkshake" artwork pre-font:
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Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: edison on February 22, 2008, 06:44:15 PM
That 2-disc is beautiful......but it'll change to have awards info spashed all over it.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 22, 2008, 09:39:33 PM
Quote from: edison on February 22, 2008, 06:44:15 PM
That 2-disc is beautiful......but it'll change to have awards info spashed all over it.
Well, we can pray that it won't get any awards, then it won't have any totally awesome info that sleepless posted about.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: last days of gerry the elephant on February 24, 2008, 01:46:01 PM
Come on Blu-Ray release...
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: cine on February 24, 2008, 02:13:57 PM
that 2 disc is almost criterion-esque. great shit.. but what the HELL is going to be on it?
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: kassius on February 25, 2008, 09:47:16 AM
I like the cover better than the straight shot of Daniel's face but still... I wish they went with something more clean like this:

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Of course, remove coming soon. duh. BUT still, I like that look much better. Reminds me of the Magnolia 2-Disc DVD box cover. Not a whole lot going on but I liked it.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: last days of gerry the elephant on February 26, 2008, 11:32:17 AM
There Will Be Blood Coming to Blu-ray

Posted February 26, 2008 10:59 AM by Josh

Paramount A trailer for the Oscar Award-winning film 'There Will Be Blood' has shown up on the HiHD website. The film, which is distributed by Paramount, may be the first film to see Blu-ray release since the studio announced they would once again release their films on the high definition format. Nothing official has come from the studio, but being that Sony, Disney, and Fox operate HiHD, a press release should be forthcoming.

No specs have been announced, but one should expect extras to mirror that of the DVD release, which includes additional scenes, There Will Be Blood - Pics, Research, Etc, and the featurettes "The Story of Petroleum" and "Dailies Gone Wild".

Source: Blu-ray.com

http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/

--

FUCK YEAH!
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Pozer on February 26, 2008, 01:02:58 PM
that's it, im buyin one today.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: modage on February 26, 2008, 01:50:15 PM
yeah i was thinking i'd get a player when this came out.  this will be my first blu-ray.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: depooter on February 28, 2008, 09:47:55 AM
stay tuned. we should know for sure by March 4th as Paramount currently has an embargo on DVD/BD announcements.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: cron on March 03, 2008, 08:52:39 AM
Quote from: modage on February 26, 2008, 01:50:15 PM
yeah i was thinking i'd get a player when this came out.  this will be my first blu-ray.

mine too!
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: MacGuffin on March 04, 2008, 03:56:33 PM
Paramount has just officially reconfirmed that There Will Be Blood will be released on DVD on 4/8. The studio had originally set the DVD and HD-DVD versions for release on 4/8, but then the title was pulled from the Paramount Home Entertainment online press database. Just today, however, it's been added back into the system in the following configurations: single-disc widescreen DVD, 2-disc widescreen Collector's Edition DVD and 2-disc Collector's Edition "HD". Since the studio has already confirmed that today's HD-DVD releases (Things We Lost in the Fire, Into the Wild and Bee Movie) are its last, the new "HD" listing for There Will Be Blood can mean only one of two things: Either it's the studio's first newly announced Blu-ray (possible, but we think somewhat unlikely), or this is simply error - an HD-DVD title that hasn't yet been cleaned out of the database. When I tried contacting the studio this morning, per usual these past few weeks, I was unable to speak with anyone who could confirm anything either way. We'll keep trying, but in the meantime, you CAN at least expect the DVDs on 4/8. And according to what little detail was available on the press site, the 2-disc Collector's Edition DVD will include some 15 minutes worth of deleted scenes, at least 3 featurettes (The Story of Petroleum, There Will Be Blood - Pics, Research, Etc and Dailies Gone Wild), trailers and more. Here's the cover art for both DVD versions (the 2-disc version is on the left)...

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Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: edison on March 19, 2008, 08:43:17 PM
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Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: last days of gerry the elephant on March 19, 2008, 08:57:10 PM
That is the worst cover, but for once I don't care one bit. It could be a plain white cover and I won't care... I'm so happy with this confirmation (for what it's worth so far).

On a side note, this picture confuses me from Amazon.com

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If you get to pick which DVD cover you want, I think the teaser poster one would be ideal.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: MacGuffin on March 19, 2008, 09:10:21 PM
QuoteOn a side note, this picture confuses me from Amazon.com

The first two pics are the outer sleeve. The bible is the inner case that holds the DVDs.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 20, 2008, 05:58:14 AM
Quote from: edison on March 19, 2008, 08:43:17 PM
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"Winner Golden Globe Award Best Actor"? Fucking hell. I mean, isn't it better, from a comercial point of view, to highlight the fact that it won TWO Oscars instead of one Golden Globe? I mean, I'm not big on marketing, but I'm just saying because if you're gonna make an ugly cover, you'd better take our eyes away from it somehow...
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: ©brad on March 20, 2008, 08:19:49 AM
i think the reason for that would be they started producing these bastards before the oscars.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: brockly on March 20, 2008, 08:25:58 AM
ddl was such a sure-fired lock for the oscar that that's not really an excuse.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Ravi on March 21, 2008, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: edison on March 19, 2008, 08:43:17 PM
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Improved:

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Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: cine on March 21, 2008, 01:48:20 PM
looks like he's ordering a weeping DDL to go sit in the corner.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: tpfkabi on March 21, 2008, 01:53:40 PM
Quote from: Cinephile on March 21, 2008, 01:48:20 PM
looks like he's ordering a weeping DDL to go sit in the corner.

DDL: It is finished.
PTA: No no no, it's 'I'm finished,' man. How hard is that?
   *beat*
PTA: Ok. Take 57...
    *beat*
PTA: and action!
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: MacGuffin on March 25, 2008, 01:49:26 PM
IGN DVD's review:

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/861/861597p1.html

Extras and Packaging

If asked why the two-disc collector's edition is, indeed, two discs, one might reasonably assume that P. T. Anderson's response would likely involve the potential over-crowding of a single disc and the lessening of overall transfer quality. And that, most certainly, is an argument which would hold up as both responsible and admirable had the second disc contained even a modicum of worthwhile material. As it stands, the bonus materials here are as follows:

15 Minutes – Research, Etc.
Trailers
Fishing Sequence
Haircut / Interrupted Hymn
Dailies Gone Wild
The Story of Petroleum

All told, there is roughly 50 minutes of additional material on this disc – of which perhaps 30 holds any real value. The 15 minutes of research is simply a montage to music of oil-related photographs from the era – basically, the stuff of a high-school student's report on the subject, were it that the report required a visual aid. The "Story of Petroluem" is a silent film from 1923 produced by the government to educate citizens about the oil business. It's interesting from an historical perspective, but certainly not from a content angle.

The theatrical and teaser trailers flank two fairly substance-less deleted scenes and a lengthy, slightly humorous shot in which Anderson allows the camera to run over-long while Daniel Day-Lewis attempts to remain composed and in character.

The issue here is not whether the material shouldn't have been included – nothing here, in itself, is entirely useless – but whether such little material really required the two-disc treatment. As it stands, the release smacks of price-gouging – brandishing its legitimately gorgeous packaging and a disc full of second-grade extras to rile the wallets of enthusiastic cinephiles. Unfortunately, for anybody except the hardcore collector, the recommendation would ultimately be that there's not enough here to sustain the presentation.

Score: 6 out of 10
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Something Spanish on March 26, 2008, 12:46:16 PM
I got the DVD on Monday and still didn't insert the second disc...first one has been on rotation since, though. The reviewer also forgot to mention the shitty cardboard packaging of DVD and the shitty inside sleeves. It looks especially shitty compared to the PDL DVD...both in content and packaging. Transfer is nice, can't wait for the goddamn bluray
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Redlum on March 26, 2008, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: Shaun Digi on March 26, 2008, 12:46:16 PM
I got the DVD on Monday and still didn't insert the second disc...first one has been on rotation since, though. The reviewer also forgot to mention the shitty cardboard packaging of DVD and the shitty inside sleeves. It looks especially shitty compared to the PDL DVD...both in content and packaging. Transfer is nice, can't wait for the goddamn bluray

I'm wondering if it isn't recycled cardboard to pay for the environmental sins of the derrick fire.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: cine on April 04, 2008, 04:15:38 PM
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews36/there_will_be_blood.htm
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: fulty on April 04, 2008, 08:46:56 PM
So...Blu-ray is June 12...
...sigh
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: john on April 04, 2008, 11:22:36 PM
Quote from: fulty on April 04, 2008, 08:46:56 PM
So...Blu-ray is June 12...
...sigh

That's actually not too long for me to wait and just Netflix the film until then.

did I miss something in the DVDbeaver review, though? Where'd you find out this bit of news?
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: picolas on April 05, 2008, 04:01:03 AM
exclusive gut-review of disc 2 by me

- research (oddly labeled "15 minutes"...seems like a mistake) is pretty much what you'd expect from footage and pictures with score. and has a brief, fun alternate version of future markets. and a few neat discarded shots.. it seems to copy a lot from "the story of petroleum".
- it's nice to see the teaser in non-tube quality. like seeing it for the first time.. i wish the theatrical trailer (not "domestic") was included. i'll never see a high-quality version of that again i guess. there were also a few awesome tv spots that should've been included.
- deleted scenes are more visual wonderfulness but it's understandable they're deleted. odd that the campfire scene is gone.
- dailies gone wild is kind of interesting. i expected more than one daily going wild, though. it's the closest we will ever get to a blooper reel. interesting how loose the take is. it's basically improv. i won't spoil it any more..
- ..i pretty much skipped the story of petroleum for now. research seems like the better, condensed version of it and it pretty much just serves to show how accurate the film was only without cutting back to the film.

overall this feels like a step down from punch-drunk love. but if it had been on one disc, it wouldn't have felt as disappointing.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: fulty on April 05, 2008, 04:52:43 PM
Quote from: john on April 04, 2008, 11:22:36 PM
did I miss something in the DVDbeaver review, though? Where'd you find out this bit of news?

That's where I saw it...DVDbeaver.
I think I clicked a Blu-ray tab and then near the end it mentioned upcoming reviews.

Just hoping I made a mistake...and that it will really be out next week.
I mean...I got the Blu-ray player especially for this movie...so come on..!!

Until then, I'll be replaying NCFOM and the Stanley's...they look great.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: MacGuffin on April 06, 2008, 12:17:39 AM
There Will Be Blood: 2-Disc Collector's Edition (2008)
BLOOD COMPLEX: Our critic was disappointed by Paul Thomas Anderson's oil drama There Will Be Blood (Daniel Day-Lewis, pictured) — until multiple viewings convinced him it's a classic
Release Date: Apr 08, 2008; Rated: R; Genre: Drama; With: Paul Dano and Daniel Day-Lewis; Distributor: Paramount Vantage
By Gregory Kirschling; EW

The first time I sat through There Will Be Blood, I wasn't impressed. On initial appraisal, Paul Thomas Anderson's oil drama seemed willfully disagreeable and far too long, with little of the flash or exuberance or life of his previous epics, Boogie Nights (1997) and Magnolia (1999), two movies I've long adored. Blood didn't feel like a P.T. Anderson movie; it played like subpar Kubrick. And wasn't Daniel Day-Lewis — as plummy-voiced tycoon Daniel Plainview — just channeling Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York? What went wrong here? During that first viewing, the word that clanged in my head repeatedly was weird. The word that stuck with me after it ended? Disappointing.

Then — over the course of taking in the entire film a second and third time in theaters, and, finally, a fourth time on DVD — I realized that I'm an idiot. There Will Be Blood is an irritable, mysterious masterpiece, and as beautiful as any ugly movie may ever get. Anderson, it turns out, has crafted an epic so unsentimental, so uneager to be loved, that its mighty emotional and cinematic power might accidentally roll right past you the first go-round. As Plainview furiously plumbs the earth for oil in a sandy California outpost called Little Boston, the story pits Day-Lewis' dirty capitalist against Paul Dano's pious man of God — giant millennial force versus giant millennial force, set for a last-scene showdown in a bowling alley, a satirically ridiculous 20th-century arena. But also keep your eye on the dynamic between Plainview and his young son and business partner, H.W. (Dillon Freasier, a sweet but eerie presence). What eluded me the first time I watched Blood, and has hit me hard every time since, is how slyly gnarled, intimate, and draining their relationship is. The whole movie is like a sneak attack, because buried under the potentially off-putting brazenness of it all — of Day-Lewis' Oscar-winning volcanic theatrics, of Jonny Greenwood's screechy but extraordinary score, of Anderson's entire conception — is a deceptively simple story to leave you sad and off balance.

Is it a problem that Anderson is nowhere to be found on the extras? The second disc features two fine deleted scenes, plus an absorbing newsreel and historical slide show on the early-20th-century oil boom, but no commentary track and no making-of featurette. Which, I submit, is just as it should be. In a ''Dailies Gone Wild'' clip, Day-Lewis and Freasier break character and bust up at the end of a shot — and something about it slightly dissipates the spell of the film. If you're Anderson, maybe you don't make a movie this befuddling, this inexplicable, and yet this confident and even defiant, and then do anything but let it speak for itself — whether people like it or not. A
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: tpfkabi on April 08, 2008, 10:52:51 AM
i'm reading several bitching comments about the packaging and discs being scratched on imdb.
anyone here have the real deal and confirm/deny?
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: The Red Vine on April 08, 2008, 01:23:16 PM
Quote from: bigideas on April 08, 2008, 10:52:51 AM
i'm reading several bitching comments about the packaging and discs being scratched on imdb.
anyone here have the real deal and confirm/deny?

My dvd plays perfectly (which I got from Best Buy). The case is thinner than what I expected but I like the packaging.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: tpfkabi on April 08, 2008, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: The Red Vine on April 08, 2008, 01:23:16 PM
Quote from: bigideas on April 08, 2008, 10:52:51 AM
i'm reading several bitching comments about the packaging and discs being scratched on imdb.
anyone here have the real deal and confirm/deny?

My dvd plays perfectly (which I got from Best Buy). The case is thinner than what I expected but I like the packaging.

yeah, i bought one there during lunch as well.
i have yet to open it though.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: MacGuffin on April 08, 2008, 04:29:15 PM
Quote from: bigideas on April 08, 2008, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: The Red Vine on April 08, 2008, 01:23:16 PM
Quote from: bigideas on April 08, 2008, 10:52:51 AM
i'm reading several bitching comments about the packaging and discs being scratched on imdb.
anyone here have the real deal and confirm/deny?

My dvd plays perfectly (which I got from Best Buy). The case is thinner than what I expected but I like the packaging.

yeah, i bought one there during lunch as well.
i have yet to open it though.

Got mine from Target and it played fine. Love the packaging, especially the bible looking inner case and the "I'm an oil man" excerpt from the novel, but wish it wasn't so flimsy. Should have been more durable like the PDL DVD.

The sound (of note are the opening blast and the derrick fire scenes) and picture are beautiful.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: last days of gerry the elephant on April 08, 2008, 05:06:41 PM
All in good condition here too.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: tpfkabi on April 08, 2008, 10:09:26 PM
yeah, i think the packaging is pretty cool and unique.
i really don't see how people are scratching them.
i think it would be obvious not to put your finger nail on the bottom of the dvd while trying to get it out (the only way i think it could get scratched).
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: I Love a Magician on April 08, 2008, 11:20:27 PM
"You got a great chanct here ladies and gentlemen"
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: private witt on April 10, 2008, 03:18:17 AM
This is unrelated to the DVD other than after being able to write down stuff at home after watching the disk.   I wrote this up tonight, and I hope all of you host screenings with your friends where you try this.  Here we go:

1. Drink once for every time a man dies in the shaft.

2. Drink once for every time Daniel takes a drink.

3. Drink twice every time H.W. takes a drink.

4. Drink once for every time somebody SAYS the word 'blood'.

5. Drink twice for every time somebody SINGS the word 'blood'.

6. Drink once for every time Eli Sunday says the word 'ghost'.

7. Drink twice for every time Eli Sunday says the phrase 'get our of here, ghost".

8. Drink once for every time somebody open-hand slaps somebody else in the face. (this will take   some work, because sometimes this happens in rapid succession :)

9. Drink three times for each time Daniel is woken up from a drunken stupor.

10. Drink once every time something is on fire.

11. Last but not least, drink four times every time Daniel bowls a bowling ball.


Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: bonanzataz on April 12, 2008, 02:43:05 AM
this isn't right. I shouldn't be allowed to watch this movie on a television screen.

I'm gonna upload it onto my iPhone to watch it the way it was meant to be seen.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: fulty on April 12, 2008, 12:40:40 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz on April 12, 2008, 02:43:05 AM
... iPhone ....

Heh...good one..!!

'swhy I'm holdin out for Blu-ray.

Even so, after the theatre experience, and being so enthralled at the bright beautiful cinematography, I'm not sure how any DVD will compare.


PS...someone's drinking a whole lot of milkshakes.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: 72teeth on April 12, 2008, 01:06:55 PM
Quote from: private witt on April 10, 2008, 03:18:17 AM

1. Drink once for every time a man dies in the shaft.

2. Drink once for every time Daniel takes a drink.

3. Drink twice every time H.W. takes a drink.

4. Drink once for every time somebody SAYS the word 'blood'.

5. Drink twice for every time somebody SINGS the word 'blood'.

6. Drink once for every time Eli Sunday says the word 'ghost'.

7. Drink twice for every time Eli Sunday says the phrase 'get our of here, ghost".

8. Drink once for every time somebody open-hand slaps somebody else in the face. (this will take   some work, because sometimes this happens in rapid succession :)

9. Drink three times for each time Daniel is woken up from a drunken stupor.

10. Drink once every time something is on fire.

11. Last but not least, drink four times every time Daniel bowls a bowling ball.[/b]

Hey witt, thanks, this was fun.... Im dead now, but yeah, this was fun...
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: tpfkabi on April 12, 2008, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: I Love a Magician on April 08, 2008, 11:20:27 PM
"You got a great chanct here ladies and gentlemen"

It was a good choice to leave all the "fellers" out of the dialog as well.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: ©brad on April 14, 2008, 08:53:41 AM
dude this packaging blows! i mean yeah i think it looks cool and i like the bible-esque inner case but this thing is put together like crap. as soon as i opened it both dvds immediately fell to the floor, and the cheap glue holding the flaps down already came apart. :(



Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: tpfkabi on April 14, 2008, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: ©bradatouille on April 14, 2008, 08:53:41 AM
dude this packaging blows! i mean yeah i think it looks cool and i like the bible-esque inner case but this thing is put together like crap. as soon as i opened it both dvds immediately fell to the floor, and the cheap glue holding the flaps down already came apart. :(

that's weird. my dvd's were quite firmly in there as it's kinda tight.
i'm pleased with the packaging and the features.
i don't understand why they didn't put the campfire deleted scene - i never got around to watching it.
i wouldn't have minded some stuff from paul or behind the scenes stuff, but i guess he's just interested in letting the film speak for itself.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: idk on April 14, 2008, 01:28:50 PM
ok im coming out...

i also think the packaging was made horribly, don't get me wrong the concept is great, it seems to match the mood of the movie well(its kind of like what dvds would have looked like back in the 1920s), i especially like the single disk pamphlet-like case. but still the outer case comes apart and the disks can be easily smudged and scratched when taking them out, not to mention the bible cover looks like it was printed on a home computer...

also, it seems like this would be on all discs but maybe just mine, at the end of the shot where H.W. is laying in bed and Daniel is talking to him but we cant hear him, it freezes for like a second before cutting to the shot of daniel outside with Fletcher.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Ravi on April 14, 2008, 04:14:00 PM
Quote from: idk on April 14, 2008, 01:28:50 PM
also, it seems like this would be on all discs but maybe just mine, at the end of the shot where H.W. is laying in bed and Daniel is talking to him but we cant hear him, it freezes for like a second before cutting to the shot of daniel outside with Fletcher.

Sounds like a layer change.  Sometimes layer changes are seamless, other times there is a slight pause.  Depends on the player and disc.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: fulty on April 17, 2008, 07:48:58 PM
This is from Scarecrow Video:

"...
Well, if Paramount, back in August of last year, hadn't signed a Faustian contract with Toshiba to take ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS to completely abandon the Blu-Ray format for eighteen months and go exclusively with Toshiba's beloved (and now dead in the water) HD-DVD format, there might be a chance for you to view this film in Blu-Ray. As it stands though, HD-DVDs are no longer being produced and Paramount is trying to wiggle out of the aforementioned contract so that maybe they can get some Blu-Ray discs out for the 4th quarter. In the meantime, you, the consumer, are getting the shaft. No Blood for you.
..."

Sigh
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Redlum on April 18, 2008, 12:01:23 PM
Quote from: fulty on April 17, 2008, 07:48:58 PM
This is from Scarecrow Video:

"...
Well, if Paramount, back in August of last year, hadn't signed a Faustian contract with Toshiba to take ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS to completely abandon the Blu-Ray format for eighteen months and go exclusively with Toshiba's beloved (and now dead in the water) HD-DVD format, there might be a chance for you to view this film in Blu-Ray. As it stands though, HD-DVDs are no longer being produced and Paramount is trying to wiggle out of the aforementioned contract so that maybe they can get some Blu-Ray discs out for the 4th quarter. In the meantime, you, the consumer, are getting the shaft. No Blood for you.
..."

Sigh

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F510lfFwXvAL._SL500_AA240_.jpg&hash=b2710b31acbdf63d3207a2ec7e5f353b6e268128)
It's distributed by Disney in Europe and out on Blu-Ray on July 7th so you could import it from Wee Britain...thats my bit for the economy done.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/There-Will-Be-Blood-Blu-ray/dp/B0017F67JU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1208537625&sr=8-3
http://www.sendit.com/video/item/7001000142266
http://www.play.com/DVD/Blu-ray/4-/5274685/There-Will-Be-Blood/Product.html
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: fulty on April 18, 2008, 08:43:59 PM
Quote from: Redlum on April 18, 2008, 12:01:23 PM
July 7th

Okay...Thanks..!!

Looks like I'll be double dipping anyway...I can't stand not watching it...and you guys seem happy with the standard DVD.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: MacGuffin on April 25, 2008, 10:59:17 AM
DVD File's review:

http://dvdfile.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6667&Itemid=3
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: john on April 29, 2008, 07:24:43 PM
There Will Be Blood

Blu-Ray

June 3rd

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3iad7629cf5da06c79c1d52af2e489502b
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: last days of gerry the elephant on May 01, 2008, 05:44:26 PM
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1257

There Will Be Blood Blu-ray Gets Detailed

Posted April 30, 2008 02:15 PM by Ben

Paramount Paramount has released more details about the Blu-ray release of the Academy Award winning film 'There Will Be Blood'. The studio is promising 1080p video along side Dolby TrueHD audio — video codec information is currently unavailable. In addition, Paramount will be including the exact same set of extras included on the "Collector's Edition" DVD release of 'There Will Be Blood' from earlier this month. Expect the disc to be released on June 3rd.

Special Features include:
# The Story of Petroleum featurette
# 3 Additional Scenes
# 2 Trailers

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.blu-ray.com%2Fmovies%2Fcovers%2F812_front.jpg&hash=7522645a52f7d98fc0d7fe1256ba8d1c419538d1)

wow... I hope this cover is fake.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: picolas on May 01, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
Quote from: overmeunderyou on May 01, 2008, 05:44:26 PM
wow... I hope this cover is fake.
it's way better than the other one, though.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: md on May 01, 2008, 10:06:27 PM
the photo is great. the layout, however, is not. 
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: bonanzataz on May 01, 2008, 11:23:27 PM
i just don't understand why every bluray cover i've ever seen just looks so ugly
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 02, 2008, 01:29:40 AM
Quote from: bonanzataz on May 01, 2008, 11:23:27 PM
i just don't understand why every bluray cover i've ever seen just looks so ugly
It's a trade off. Great picture/sound quality, bad cover art.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: modage on May 02, 2008, 11:04:36 AM
Quote from: bonanzataz on May 01, 2008, 11:23:27 PM
i just don't understand why every bluray cover i've ever seen just looks so ugly
the actual blu(e) casing for a start, is consistently hideous.  but yeah the artwork here is not good at all either.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: fulty on May 04, 2008, 02:46:41 PM
Best Buy is showing a May 20 release..!!

I'm getting wet.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: last days of gerry the elephant on May 04, 2008, 05:35:06 PM
Yeah, I pre-ordered a copy from Amazon.com since they too display a May 20 release.

Here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018QCXH8?tag=bluray-072-20
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: bigperm on May 08, 2008, 11:43:43 AM
Apparently this is the revised cover art, in case anyone missed it
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Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Ravi on May 12, 2008, 01:05:33 AM
There Will Be Fuchsia
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: MacGuffin on May 14, 2008, 08:42:29 PM
Quote from: fulty on May 04, 2008, 02:46:41 PM
Best Buy is showing a May 20 release..!!

I'm getting wet.

From The Digital Bits:

Many retailers are reporting a 5/20 street date for Paramount's Cloverfield and There Will Be Blood on Blu-ray Disc. We've spoken with the studio today, and that date is NOT correct. According to the studio, the titles will street on 6/3 as originally planned. The studio will be asking retailers to correct their dates.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: fulty on May 15, 2008, 08:18:13 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on May 14, 2008, 08:42:29 PM
... the titles will street on 6/3 ...

Ooohh...Denice the Piece...and come the third of June...will be the lick of my spoon.


Soo...December, then April, then July, then May, now...

I'm not sure I can do this...with these...retailers.

I see nothing worth liking in most retailers.


Alright, look...with the stadard disk I just can't make out the Drainage Drool clearly...I mean, come on, I want to see bubbles in the slime and be able to get an accurate glob count..!!

Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Alexandro on May 16, 2008, 12:35:20 PM
i fucking hate it. i saw this three times when it was in theatres and only when i pop in the dvd is that i get to see the film as it was intended, with the picture and sound quality that the filmmakers wanted. fucking exhibitors deserve to die in poverty. they don't give a shit about anything.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Redlum on May 20, 2008, 06:30:29 PM
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.axelmusic.com%2Fresources%2Fcovers%2Fback%2F097361374208.jpg&hash=3b0f9592afdabb1e06d58d145e33e8109a76b978)
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: diggler on May 21, 2008, 09:44:45 AM
thats a lot of text
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Redlum on June 03, 2008, 05:24:19 PM
Blu-ray review here:

http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=950

I dont think the images are screen grabs but I just noticed; on this (http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/reviews/there_will_be_blood/image4full.jpg) one you can see the monogram on Eli Sundiays hanky. I guess he was just thinking of his name one day.

The cover is reversible so you can swap it with the single-disc DVD artwork.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: fulty on June 03, 2008, 08:15:36 PM
Ooooohhh, Yesss..!!!

There Will Be Bubbles.

This Blu-ray is beautiful...and worth the wait...( now that it's over. )
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Just Withnail on June 04, 2008, 02:48:55 AM
DVDBeaver review of blu-ray (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews37/there_will_be_blood_blu-ray.htm)
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: MacGuffin on June 06, 2008, 10:51:24 AM
DVDFile's review:

http://dvdfile.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6737&Itemid=3
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: john on June 07, 2008, 05:23:32 PM
Watching this on Blu is like a visual overdose... so fucking beautiful.

Also, I didn't know it had reversible artwork... nice touch.


Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: last days of gerry the elephant on June 07, 2008, 07:19:22 PM
Did anybody else get a postcard in their Blu-ray?

I wonder if there are different ones, I got one of Plainview and HW on the train. Not sure who Shin Katan is but he colorized the captures.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: MacGuffin on June 09, 2008, 03:56:06 PM
IGN.DVD review:

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/879/879915p1.html


Quote from: omuy on June 07, 2008, 07:19:22 PM
Did anybody else get a postcard in their Blu-ray?

I wonder if there are different ones, I got one of Plainview and HW on the train. Not sure who Shin Katan is but he colorized the captures.

I did, and got the same card.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: private witt on February 02, 2009, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on March 25, 2008, 01:49:26 PM
IGN DVD's review:
The 15 minutes of research is simply a montage to music of oil-related photographs from the era – basically, the stuff of a high-school student's report on the subject, were it that the report required a visual aid.

I know I'm "resurrecting" a dead thread, but here's my response to the IGN review, at least as it pertains to the 15 minutes section.  This was by far my favorite piece.  These were not merely oil related photographs, these were the actual photos that Jack Fisk was using as a guide for art direction.  I think this reviewer needs to go back and watch it again paying close attention to the notes written in blue pen that suggest things like "Little Boston?" on a picture of a small town or "Henry" on a photo of a man with a large 'stache.  This kind of stuff is very interesting to me because it illustrates the thought process of the filmmakers and how ideas about the look of costumes, set pieces, and lighting evolves from conception through photography.  And also to get to hear alternate versions of Johnny Greenwood's score that were not used in the film was a treat.  The plunky piano version of the main title theme was especially fun.  Finally, seeing the amount of unused B-roll that did not make the film was very interesting too.  I think we assume that there are often scenes cut out, but how often are shots like these given the light of day, and that single shot of the Sunday family sitting looking straight into the lens is quietly haunting in the way it breaks the fourth wall. 
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: private witt on February 02, 2009, 04:47:21 PM
Quote from: 72teeth on April 12, 2008, 01:06:55 PM
Quote from: private witt on April 10, 2008, 03:18:17 AM
1. Drink once for every time a man dies in the shaft.
2. Drink once for every time Daniel takes a drink.
3. Drink twice every time H.W. takes a drink.
4. Drink once for every time somebody SAYS the word 'blood'.
5. Drink twice for every time somebody SINGS the word 'blood'.
6. Drink once for every time Eli Sunday says the word 'ghost'.
7. Drink twice for every time Eli Sunday says the phrase 'get our of here, ghost".
8. Drink once for every time somebody open-hand slaps somebody else in the face. (this will take   some work, because sometimes this happens in rapid succession :)
9. Drink three times for each time Daniel is woken up from a drunken stupor.
10. Drink once every time something is on fire.
11. Last but not least, drink four times every time Daniel bowls a bowling ball.[/b]

Hey witt, thanks, this was fun.... Im dead now, but yeah, this was fun...

No problem, we bust out these rules every time we watch the film now at my house.  By the time Paul eats mud, we're as crushed as a frat house on St. Patrick's.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: WideShot on February 04, 2009, 01:15:21 PM
You know the one thing I don't understand about PTA not putting a commentary on PDL or TWBB is that I think on the Sydney or Boogie Nights commentaries he even talks about his infatuation with laser disc commentaries and how much they taught him as a director.  Why would he, now that he is universally respected as a genius director of our time, try to shut out future directors from his insight by not doing a commentary?

I mean, neither PDL nor TWBB were anywhere near the struggle legally to get to DVD as Sydney was and yet he did a commentary there.  I totally understand that he doesn't want to sit and watch the film for three hours, but I mean, fans are asking for it, and again, out of respect for future directors, why shut them out?

Also, I really loved the 1 hr doc on Magnolia... why didn't they do another of those to include on the DVDs for PDL and TWBB?  Between those two, I feel less of a personal connection to Paul.

Sorry to rant here, but didn't think I should open a new topic for it since it is about the TWBB DVD.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Stefen on February 04, 2009, 01:25:54 PM
Because he's a selfish piece of shit who only cares about himself.  :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 04, 2009, 01:31:55 PM
Quote from: WideShot on February 04, 2009, 01:15:21 PM
Also, I really loved the 1 hr doc on Magnolia... why didn't they do another of those to include on the DVDs for PDL and TWBB?  Between those two, I feel less of a personal connection to Paul.

A pure fanboy statement. It's unbelievable to me that people would feel less in tune to his films just because he's done away with the personal goodies. I understand fans who are dissappointed Paul doesn't do commenties but get over it because other directors they like don't do it either. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: WideShot on February 04, 2009, 01:52:41 PM
Quote from: Stefen on February 04, 2009, 01:25:54 PM
Because he's a selfish piece of shit who only cares about himself.  :yabbse-angry:

LOL.  I don't know that I would go that far, but I'm trying to find another answer.  Doing a commentary on your film shouldn't be like a chore.  The numerous stories he goes over about the making of Sydney and the insight from PBH and PTA are incredible.  When you hear a guy who's as experienced as PBH casting praises for PTA's writing and discussing the challenge that a scene like the motel scene provides, that is GREAT entertainment and very educational.  So then when you look at PDL and TWBB there is so much to discuss about both of those that its hard to even fathom why not.  But I'll leave it at that I guess.

Quote from: Gold Trumpet on February 04, 2009, 01:31:55 PM
Quote from: WideShot on February 04, 2009, 01:15:21 PM
Also, I really loved the 1 hr doc on Magnolia... why didn't they do another of those to include on the DVDs for PDL and TWBB?  Between those two, I feel less of a personal connection to Paul.

A pure fanboy statement. It's unbelievable to me that people would feel less in tune to his films just because he's done away with the personal goodies. I understand fans who are dissappointed Paul doesn't do commenties but get over it because other directors they don't do it either. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.

True, I probably am a "fanboy".  I watched Boogie Nights on TV one night trying to figure out what all my friends were talking about, expecting a late night showtime special and I was, shocked.  I was like "So that's what you can do with movie making."  That was the single movie that really sparked my love of cinema and then I began to dig deeper into PTA's films.

And I beg to differ in that I do let the films stand on their own.  Believe me, I watch the movie first and digest it.   Then maybe once more before digging into the special features.  The only reason I don't watch the movie more is because I don't like to see it so much that I don't want to see it again.  I was in awe each time I saw a PTA film for the first time.

But the doc thing is different.  Hardly anyone does a diary thing like that.  And it was very raw and gave a terrific glimpse into the working style of PTA, great actors like Julianne Moore, PBH, PSH, JCR and others, and took you through the whole process of making the movie but on such an intimate front.  I mean, the footage of PTA and fiona in his editing bay is priceless.  WHM's comment out on the balcony about Paul grinding the lenses they used in the film and developing the film in his bathtub is fucking hilarious.  Where else are you going to see that?  So that's why its so frustrating that not only did the commentary go away but that very personal look into PTA's style evaporated too and we really haven't seen it since.

We have to go to some pretty obscure written interviews to get even some insights into how the film came together.  Watching the DDL/PTA interview on Charlie Rose was totally coy/junketish type material.  Not the same.

Oh well.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: private witt on February 04, 2009, 02:47:16 PM
The footage of PTA and Fiona is priceless because it's a rarity.  If you got to see things like this on every DVD you wouldn't value it anymore.  Watch all the appearances of Paul on Charlie Rose for each of his films.  He has less and less to say about them after they're done.  Then watch his appearance on Henry Rollins before he shot TWBB, he's practically jumping up and down.  Bottom line, Paul's to the point where he feels the films speak for themselves, and talking about it for three hours will only detract from the film.  Cardnal rule : show it, don't say it.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: WideShot on February 04, 2009, 03:42:11 PM
Like I said, I totally understand that motive.  Many directors elect to not do commentaries, probably for that reason.  But Paul comes from the first generation that actually reaped the benefits of commentaries, and he knows how much his fans want it, so that I don't understand.  I also agree that if I had filet mignon everyday I probably would grow tired of it.  But Pauls movies come out maybe once every 3 or 4 years.  I think thats enough time between installments.  I don't need a webcam of the guy, but I would like some nice behind the scenes footage.  I guess its a catch-22. ( cue Mark to flip out).
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: private witt on February 04, 2009, 05:54:36 PM
As with all directors who establish a life long career, you can go two ways: you can either have kids and lose your balls and start making family friendly films and relish doing press, or you can keep pushing the envelop and grow to despise the utterly ridiculous questions the press will ask like, "What does the harmonium represent?" or "Is Mark Walhberg a terrible singer or really good at acting like a terrible singer?"  Paul is following Kubrick in more ways than one. 
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: picolas on February 04, 2009, 09:39:54 PM
there's no correlation between doing commentaries, having children, and losing your balls.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: private witt on February 04, 2009, 09:44:03 PM
Quote from: picolas on February 04, 2009, 09:39:54 PM
there's no correlation between doing commentaries, having children, and losing your balls.

Glad you caught my sarcasm.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: polkablues on February 04, 2009, 11:52:30 PM
Quote from: picolas on February 04, 2009, 09:39:54 PM
there's no correlation between doing commentaries, having children, and losing your balls.

You say that now, but just wait until Variety is reporting that his next project will be directing Wayne Brady in "Daddy Day Spa".
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Alexandro on February 05, 2009, 12:11:57 AM
I don't know for sure of course, but I think that when you're young you're more full of yourself than in any other time of your life, and you love the sound of your own voice and you love your own explanations for the shit you do. But then I guess something happens and you realize that's completely unimportant. In reality, commentaries and behind the scenes are not that interesting. Maybe they are superficially, but you don't really learn from them anything you can't form the films themselves. In the end, the films are the ones where you learn everything from. So fuck the commentaries. They're good mainly for gossip, anecdotes and entertainment. But watch the film 100 times and then you will have learned something useful, maybe.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: 72teeth on February 05, 2009, 12:20:23 AM
Quote from: Alexandro on February 05, 2009, 12:11:57 AM
I don't know for sure of course, but I think that when you're young you're more full of yourself than in any other time of your life, and you love the sound of your own voice and you love your own explanations for the shit you do.

Quote from: private witt on February 04, 2009, 09:44:03 PM
Glad you caught my sarcasm.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 05, 2009, 12:28:41 AM
Quote from: 72teeth on February 05, 2009, 12:20:23 AM
Quote from: Alexandro on February 05, 2009, 12:11:57 AM
I don't know for sure of course, but I think that when you're young you're more full of yourself than in any other time of your life, and you love the sound of your own voice and you love your own explanations for the shit you do.

Quote from: private witt on February 04, 2009, 09:44:03 PM
Glad you caught my sarcasm.

I don't think it's a joke for WideShot. I think he feels like he wants to know Paul Thomas Anderson personally and bask in the creative process of making films with him. That's what all the DVD goodies mean to him. I know other people who liked PTA to an unhealthy degree and while I don't know WideShot at all, it's a little suspect.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: WideShot on February 05, 2009, 12:51:16 AM
Quote from: Alexandro on February 05, 2009, 12:11:57 AM
I don't know for sure of course, but I think that when you're young you're more full of yourself than in any other time of your life, and you love the sound of your own voice and you love your own explanations for the shit you do. But then I guess something happens and you realize that's completely unimportant. In reality, commentaries and behind the scenes are not that interesting. Maybe they are superficially, but you don't really learn from them anything you can't form the films themselves. In the end, the films are the ones where you learn everything from. So fuck the commentaries. They're good mainly for gossip, anecdotes and entertainment. But watch the film 100 times and then you will have learned something useful, maybe.

I can't learn something from PBH, Melinda Dillon, and PTA working on lines together in a quiet place just off set?  How to direct something crazy like falling frogs from the sky?  How the pitch meeting went at New Line early in the process?  OK, I think we're just going to disagree.

Quote from: Gold Trumpet on February 05, 2009, 12:28:41 AM
I don't think it's a joke for WideShot. I think he feels like he wants to know Paul Thomas Anderson personally and bask in the creative process of making films with him. That's what all the DVD goodies mean to him. I know other people who liked PTA to an unhealthy degree and while I don't know WideShot at all, it's a little suspect.

Please.  He's an incredible writer and director.  I think in the top 5 working today.  A true genius, and someone who has made several incredible films already in his career.  I just want a little insight into his working processes and the atmosphere on the set.  Mainly I just wanted to make the point above that since PDL was released, I've never seen anyone make and that is that Paul himself has said how much he loves commentaries.  He doesn't do them now.  I find that odd.  Oh well, I'll live.  Someday, if he and I ever have a beer together I'll ask him a few questions.  If not, oh well, loved the movies.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: picolas on February 05, 2009, 12:55:10 AM
Quote from: private witt on February 04, 2009, 09:44:03 PM
Quote from: picolas on February 04, 2009, 09:39:54 PM
there's no correlation between doing commentaries, having children, and losing your balls.

Glad you caught my sarcasm.
your point was that being open to discussing your film means you're not pushing the envelope, right? i'm saying there's no relationship between discussing a film openly, in commentaries and making-ofs and to the press, and making an envelope-pushing film. look at the stanley kubrick archives. the 2001 section is the biggest.

Quote from: Alexandro on February 05, 2009, 12:11:57 AMIn reality, commentaries and behind the scenes are not that interesting. Maybe they are superficially, but you don't really learn from them anything you can't form the films themselves.
i totally disagree. there are shitty commentaries and making-ofs, but there are also amazing ones that educate you about the process beyond the film itself. you can't uniformly say that there's nothing new to be learned from commentaries and making-ofs.
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: private witt on February 05, 2009, 01:32:17 AM
Quote from: picolas on February 05, 2009, 12:55:10 AM
your point was that being open to discussing your film means you're not pushing the envelope, right?

Yeah, but I meant it as a joke.  I was just trying to think of two polar opposite cliches and pretend that there's no mid-ground between them. 
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: Alexandro on February 05, 2009, 09:43:47 AM
I'm not saying commentaries and behind the scenes are useless. I watch them sometimes and have fun with them, and some are great and some are boring. PTA made probably the most fun in history with Boogie Nights, and I liked the one in Michael Mann's Collateral, and Robert Altman is also very good at it, but they have more to do with their personalities than with what they say about the films. Once you see a film with commentaries, you go back to the film alone and realize everything is there from the beginning, the filmmaker just made it easier for you to "get" certain things by explaining how they did it or talking about the process. So it is like reading a book, and that's great, it's a great gift for us, but it's not something that has to be done in order to be sharing the knowledge cause the knowledge sips through the work itself.

Anyway you can read about everyone process a lot, but the true learning comes from two sources: watching the films repeteadly (because most of the time what you're after is some sort of specific result and more often than not you want a certain result that you saw at a certain film) or doing it yourself, working it yourself. The truth is that the phrase "the films speak for themselves" is spot on. They do.

In a way I think, as a fan of PTA's films, I have learned more from There Will Be Blood as it is, than from the Boogie Nights commentary. But it's a personal thing. And my original comment was regarding as to why he doesn't do it anymore. I think he's just not so full of himself anymore and he has realized anything he says on the commentary will a) trivialize the film b) be a repetition of what you're seeing onscreen anyway. Of course I can't know for sure because he has never said anything remotely like that...
Title: Re: TWBB DVD
Post by: private witt on February 05, 2009, 01:36:58 PM
I've read interviews where he's said exactly this.  He's also expressed frustration with doing interviews where the interviewer just wants him to comment on things he said as a joke on the commentaries.