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Just wondering 'cause I haven't seen the flick yet, so curious what y'all thought was the 'best aspect' of this movie; and that's the MOST worthy to take home an Oscar (nomination)? The thing in its entire, the man himself, the music, the script-for those who know it , cause they read the shootingscript thingie-, Adam, Phil Hoffman, etc... ? WHO WOULD YOU PICK FIRST?

i highly doubt it will get a picture nod...for the same reason magnolia didn't.

PTA deserves director, but I have to say Jon Brion has a good chance for the music. Very original, very good.

Quote from: sphinxi highly doubt it will get a picture nod...for the same reason magnolia didn't.

oh you mean because the film is actually good?

fuck the oscars.

PTA will get snubbed.

Quote from: cecil b. dementedoh you mean because the film is actually good?

cheers

Movie is a love letter for Adam Sandler so I chose best actor to Sandler.

~rougerum

godbless cecil b.

...there is the Spielberg interest.

Director. Sandler's performance is wonderful, but is only made possible by PTA's vision. The score second, although really it's the sound as a whole, and again that's part of the overall concept, so I still say PTA. The screenplay is like a skeleton in this particular case, I think, although I wouldn't be surprised if a nomination for that is used as a kind of covert (but ultimately insulting) recognition of PTA's ability.

But anyway, who gives a fuck? The Oscars are just an amusing way for a lot of insecure people to help each other through another paranoid year. God Bless Em.

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Why do you have to be a guy to appreciate the works of PTA?

Quote from: GirlonthemoonBut this ain't any old message board....

Why do you have to be a guy to appreciate the works of PTA?

Woah woah there. Who said you had to be a guy to appreciate PTA or any other director? I was just pointing out that we got another female on this board, and Im happy to see it. No hard feelings. Welcome.

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Am I the only one that was not so blinded by the fact that this movie was done by PTA that I could still see that PDL was, by and large, completely mediocre?

I mean, hey... I loved that it wasn't the same old Adam Sandler schtick, and Emily was wonderful, and it was beautifully shot, and yadda yadda yadda, but damn... I walked out of the theater saying "eh..."

I'm not dissing the movie, mind you. But there wasn't a voting option above to allow me to express my feelings that PDL was about as good as Sydney (in a totally different way)... Not bad, but not the masterpiece that Boogie Nights or Magnolia were.

It's like everybody going off about "Greek Wedding". I've seen hundreds of so-so movies like that over the years. Not bad, but not earth shattering. Just ok. All this oscar talk is beyond me.

No offense, mind you. Paul is a master of the art. But PDL isn't his best work, and there were many films in 02 that were better.

There I said it. I will now prepare to be excommunicated from this community of believers. Oh, wait. I can't be excommunicated. I own the joint!
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Quote from: XixaxThere I said it.
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P-D-L changed my life, thank you very much.

Two years ago, I would have agreed completely with everything Xixas and may have been in the situation where I was almost forcing myself to like Punch-Drunk Love because who made it and everything.

I think the relationship between Punch-Drunk Love and PTA's two main successes show the difference in how a lot of people watch movies. Boogie Nights and Magnolia completely work in the very technical way movies are usually made. They are like the three act play extended where it is 1.) Introduction of characters and situation 2.) conflict and 3.) resolution. Both movies have a power of telling movies through this way and still are great, but the more you watch movies, the more out dated you see how this structure is when it puts all movies into a complete context of how they must be and everything. Yea, they change in what they show and how they show it, but you still can spot the structure from a mile away. I'm tired in general of this structure but am not afraid to appreciate great creativity made within its structure. It's just when I see a movie that goes outside with great purpose and imagination, I get even more excited.

Punch-Drunk Love is made on what feeling it is trying to show. Everything in the film is used to bring forth a feeling, from the music to how it was filmed and edited. But the feeling for the film is for the moods of a character, and that could never really follow just a movie plot. A lot of people do think Citizen Kane is overrated, but I absolutely love it and find it one of the funnest films to watch of any movie because there is so much craft and creativity put into the making and structuring of the film that you are watching it for this and getting your enjoyment from this. Before, I wanted to watch movies for a powerful story that I thought was maybe unique but more and more I search now instead for the complete craft of how they shot every single shot and structured and everything they used to show what they wanted to show. That's why I responded greatly to Minority Report because it was the most innovative film by Speilberg ever in that it was completely endless in ideas to the very end, so much so that the movie ending in a genre way was a minor detail when considering all the creativity through out the film.

I think as people who are serious about movies and wanting to know how to make them, that Punch-Drunk Love will be a movie that grows more over time because the best way to love it is to analyze for its feeling and how creative it is in trying to show it. Most movies drag their characters through plot points and it gets old and I think Punch-Drunk Love and Minority Report will be two of the very few number of movies today that actually survive 40 years and still seem fresh. This is my opinion to be kicked around if anyone wants to.

~rougerum

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI think Punch-Drunk Love and Minority Report will be two of the very few number of movies today that actually survive 40 years and still seem fresh.

Except for the fact that in 40 years, precrime will supposedly be happening in about 5 years.

That was my only beef with Minority Report. It was set in the too-near future. No way we're going to be parking cars outside our skyscraper windows in just 50 years. 500 maybe. 50, no.

Actually, if you wanna know the backstory. Speilberg assembled all the leading experts in the world who had the best knowledge of what could be possible in the future and what could  for a weekend to discuss what could actually be realistic in 50 years. Everything you see in the movie is what they all thought could actually be possible believe it or not. But Minority Report stands with 2001 and will be even more interesting to see what has been realized and what hasn't as 2054 approaches.  It's art though, not fact.

~rougerum

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Quote from: The Gold TrumpetActually, if you wanna know the backstory. Speilberg assembled all the leading experts in the world who had the best knowledge of what could be possible in the future and what could  for a weekend to discuss what could actually be realistic in 50 years.~rougerum

and by "experts", he means "graphic novelists"

rk, does he?

~rougerum

Three years before production began, Spielberg assembled a team of sixteen future experts in Santa Monica to brainstorm out the year 2054 for him. This team included Neil Gershenfeld of the Media Lab at MIT; Shaun Jones, director of biomedical research at DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency); William Mitchell, dean of the school of architecture at MIT; Peter Calthorpe, the New Urbanism evangelist; and Jaron Lanier, one of the inventors of virtual reality technology.

Quote from: XixaxAm I the only one that was not so blinded by the fact that this movie was done by PTA that I could still see that PDL was, by and large, completely mediocre?

I guess it's true that I may never know what I might have thought of Punch-Drunk Love had I not seen PTA's other movies. Maybe I was "brainwashed," maybe I was "prepared"... it's hard to tell.

I loved the movie, but it took two or three viewings to be comfortable with it... to let all the pressure of the anticipation and massive expectations wash away... and then I completely loved it and embraced it. I'm sure I don't fully understand it right now, and it will probably take some time and some more viewings to dig up PDL's essence. The first time I saw PDL I had a reaction similar to yours, and I hope you've seen it more than once.

Quote from: Xixaxbut not the masterpiece that Boogie Nights or Magnolia were.

I agree... Magnolia and Boogie Nights are above PDL in my mind, but who knows if that will change. Although I loved Magnolia instantly, Boogie Nights was kind of an acquired taste.

I am amazed but PDL has snuck right up behind Magnolia for me, and I think its far more visionary than Boogie Nights in filmmaking terms. When I see it again, perhaps I'll be disappointed, but what I loved was that it defies the digging of its essence. Please don't do that, Jeremy, just embrace, just embrace like you would a bird brushing you with its feet.

Quotewhat I loved was that it defies the digging of its essence. Please don't do that, Jeremy, just embrace, just embrace like you would a bird brushing you with its feet.

I generally like essence, but I think you're right that it's impossible with PDL. I tried with Mulholland Drive, and that didn't really work. Theories are good, though. Theories are always good. I like the bird thing, though... embrace... I'll try...

There's a definite love thing going on in here right now. I hope you all feel it and enjoy its warmth.

And don't forget to mop up when you're all finished.