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MARGARET centers on a 17-year-old New York City high-school student who feels certain that she inadvertently played a role in a traffic accident that has claimed a woman's life. In her attempts to set things right she meets with opposition at every step. Torn apart with frustration, she begins emotionally brutalizing her family, her friends, her teachers, and most of all, herself. She has been confronted quite unexpectedly with a basic truth: that her youthful ideals are on a collision course against the realities and compromises of the adult world.
Written and Directed by Kenneth Lonergan
Starring Anna Paquin, Mark Ruffalo, Matt Damon, Matthew Broderick, Jean Reno and Olivia Thirlby
Trailer - http://tinyurl.com/3v9ecsz (http://tinyurl.com/3v9ecsz)
IMDB - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0466893 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0466893)
Release Date - September 30, 2011
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If you haven't read about the backstory behind this long-delayed picture, you can gloss over it here - http://tinyurl.com/3oonoa9 (http://tinyurl.com/3oonoa9)
Been looking forward to this for a very long time. I really love You Can Count on Me.
Anna Paquin is a non-starter for me.
Wait, we're grapeving a movie before the trailer? How will we be able to judge if its any good?
Trailer! (http://tinyurl.com/3v9ecsz)
is she still playing 17 year olds?
Quote from: pete on September 01, 2011, 09:46:59 PM
is she still playing 17 year olds?
keep in mind this was filmed a hundred years ago.
also, THIS is what's taken a hundred years to cobble together? it better be the best film ever made. i don't see why a simple story like that should have ever been four hours long.. maybe in order to make a huge statement out of a minor event you really have to pad the hell out of it. like a try hard student trying to write a profound essay out of a short piece of text. you gotta build up the significance so much that it gets to the point where every single one of the 10 thousand words is necessary in order to build the case.
obviously one person's death is not a minor event and that's the point of the film. but it does seem a bit heavy handed, which is fine if you use it as a short cut to grander themes, like the fact she was on her way to lose her virginity when the accident happened and NOW she's lost all kinds of innocence she didn't even know she had. amazing right? yes but why four hours. i dunno, it reminds me a lot of The Sweet Hereafter except in a big city with a smaller focus on two people instead of a small community where everyone is affected. egoyan's film even had the title taken out of a story that's read out in the film, where here it's a poem or something?
everyone's assignment this week is to rewatch the sweet hereafter.
Quote from: Pubrick on September 01, 2011, 10:02:23 PM
everyone's assignment this week is to rewatch the sweet hereafter.
One of the most underrated films of all-time. OF ALL-TIME!
Post-production difficulties aside, this movie is pretty brilliant. I come from the like-but-didn't-love YOU CAN COUNT ON ME, but I really love this one almost 100%. Top ten material for sure, even top five. It's a shame that everyone (including the director) let this get so out of hand because this should have been given the royal treatment.
The Sweet Hereafter is also an amazing movie, but bus accident aside this is quite different.
Paquin is a little worrisome in the first scene and then quickly starts hitting it out of the park, over and over, one scene after another.
Quote from: Pubrick on September 01, 2011, 10:02:23 PM
but it does seem a bit heavy handed, which is fine if you use it as a short cut to grander themes, like the fact she was on her way to lose her virginity when the accident happened
That's not how it happens in the movie.
Quote from: Ghostboy on October 08, 2011, 09:23:49 PM
Post-production difficulties aside, this movie is pretty brilliant. I come from the like-but-didn't-love YOU CAN COUNT ON ME, but I really love this one almost 100%. Top ten material for sure, even top five. It's a shame that everyone (including the director) let this get so out of hand because this should have been given the royal treatment.
I felt the same way about YCCOM, and I thought this was fantastic. Despite (or probably because of) its sprawling nature, its a brilliant exploration of a lot of different things. Lisa's guilt about the woman's death, her righteous anger about the bus driver's lack of apparent guilt (which is more about her own guilt), and general teenage confusion and ways of dealing with her issues in roundabout ways. I suppose I'm making it sound more sordid than it is, but the film is grounded, and the characters are fully rounded and human. The characters usually don't communicate directly, but their issues and insecurities come out nevertheless. I particularly liked the scene where Matthew Broderick is arguing with a student about the interpretation of a passage from Shakespeare.
The Jean Reno subplot with Lisa's mother led to a moment that had me tearing up.
Lisa gets increasingly strident as the film goes on, so this is not an easy film to watch. But it makes sense for her character, and I was never bored during its 2 hr 30 min run time.
Kenneth Lonergan Hopes The Longer Cut Of 'Margaret' Edited By Martin Scorsese Will Eventually Be Released
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The rallying cry for "Margaret" continues from certain quarters of the critical community, with a #teammargaret hashtag now tracking its way across the Twittersphere. And the push for the film has resulted in some movement. New York City and Los Angeles critics will apparently be getting additional screenings for awards season consideration (although, they had press screenings already prior to the film's theatrical release in both cities), with Boston and Chicago to follow, and there is word bubbling that DVD screeners are being prepared for those in cities who did not get the film (though with voting deadlines fast approaching, that remains to be seen).
But the chatter behind the movie -- which has increased as the movie opens in the U.K. this weekend -- has gone a bit overboard in some instances. The Guardian in particular has accused Fox Searchlight of "burying" the film when the truth is likely far more complicated. With years spent in legal battles and editing suites, despite what some would have you believe, a cool critical reception (64% on Rotten Tomatoes and 58 on Metacritic) combined with a tepid box office performance (though yes, it's easily argued Fox Searchlight fell asleep on the marketing) has made this a tough release for the studio. In short, it's likely the film's delays cost the studio more than they had anticipated and printing up screeners for a movie that didn't gain a critical consensus probably didn't make much sense.
And in a way, it still doesn't. We understand the desire for critics, guilds and voting folks to see as much as they can before weighing in their votes for the Best Of The Year, but as we stated before, those awards come and go almost as soon as they are announced. They are ultimately a small part of a film's legacy. "Margaret" certainly won't be in the Golden Globes or Oscar race, and while it's nice that there's a push to get the messily masterful film some additional attention, we have to once again assert it's the director's cut we should be urging Fox Searchlight to release. And now, director Kenneth Lonergan confirms the unused, longer Martin Scorsese edit of the film is closest to the version that meets his full intentions, though he supports the current iteration.
"I support this cut wholeheartedly and want people to see and like it, because the actors deserve to be seen and appreciated for their amazing work," he wrote in his statement to Time. "But while I fully support the released cut, it's also no secret that I tried to get a subsequent version released, which Marty Scorsese very graciously helped with, which even more fully executes my complete intentions — a cut that I still hope will someday, somehow see the light of day."
Screeners are certainly nice things to get, and there is lots to love (and an equal amount that doesn't work) in the current version of "Margaret." But if we know there is a longer cut out there, one that much more closely (if not completely) realizes the movie Lonergan set out to make all those years ago, this is what the critics and movie lovers should be pushing for. Awards, recogniton and top ten lists are nice, but we think Lonergan would prefer people eventually got to see the movie he wanted to make in the first place. And that's a petition we'd gladly sign.
Yo, this movie is dope. AND ITS PLAYING RIGHT NOW, GO SEE IT.
Quote from: JG on December 31, 2011, 01:19:51 PM
AND ITS PLAYING RIGHT NOW, GO SEE IT.
haha where? it got a very small ny/la release. i have been on the lookout for it to come to seattle and it hasn't played anywhere near here. and i'm not driving all the way to nyc for the one theater where it is playing.
Hey, you're from Seattle? High five!
ravi, nice use of the word of the day.
taxing, clearly truncated, but brilliant. performances are astonishing with paquin carrying the thing and lonergan flexes some stylistic muscle to varying degrees of success. reminiscent of cassavetes in its exhaustive, flaws-as-virtue-of-human-existence/experience outlook and balls out emotional rawness, though this is still lonergan we're talking about so there's a level of restraint. SEMI-SPOILERi'm always one to appreciate a film that culminates in a well-earned, powerful ending and this certainly has that going for it. the finale completely blind-sided me and left me speechless.END SEMI-SPOILER
my top ten for the year has been amended accordingly.
3 Hour Director's Cut Of Kenneth Lonergan's 'Margaret' Hits DVD and Blu-ray on July 10th
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Kenneth Lonergan's "Margaret," the long-delayed, much discussed, often troubled drama about a young girl (Anna Paquin) who accidentally causes a horrific bus accident, is finally making its way onto DVD and Blu-ray in July. As The New Yorker reports, the film will be available in both the original theatrical cut (which ran two-and-a-half-hours) alongside a new director's cut (with an additional 36 minutes of footage), presumably in a two-disc edition, on DVD at least.
Of course, since "Margaret" seems to carry with it an air of undesirability, the film will only be available through Amazon. Presumably this means that it won't be available through iTunes or Netflix, which is a real shame for a film that desperately deserves to be seen by more people.
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just saw it. the "short" cut. it's pretty much masterful. I wasn't aware of the rocky road this film's had, but Paquin's age (not her performance, which is BRILLIANT) made me wonder. Also because the film feels like it was shot before this whole crisp and crystal clear cinematography nonsense that is ruining movies for me.
The film becomes about so many things and it's firmly grounded in a kind of normal human behaviour that is rare in movies these days. Gotta mention Paquin again because she just home runs this thing.
Has anyone seen the longer cut?
Quote from: Alexandro on August 18, 2012, 12:30:36 AM
Has anyone seen the longer cut?
yep. it's excellent. i watched them back to back. the theatrical cut is very good, but obviously butchered and messy. its glimpses of brilliance are fully realized in the extended cut, and then some. everything comes together just about perfectly.
Just rewatched this again. What gives? No no one has seen it? Now I think it's a full developed masterpiece. And I'm only talking of the "butched" version. Paquin gives one of the best performances by any actress in ages, and really everyone else does. It's so real, this film, you feel as you are part of it. I don't know what possessed everyone involved with this, but I can't point to any faults. As I was watching, I kept thinking of how fake most human behavior comes across in movies compared to it.
And the bravery the film has of just letting you splash into the complexities of being a confused and vulnerable human being, at any age, in any social context, figuring things out some times better than others. When it ended I kept trying to remember what films won academy awards the year this was released but I haven't been able to do it 'cause I don't want to get pissed off.
I need to watch it again but my abiding memory of it is that the bus death scene was utterly harrowing. Really did feel like you were watching the life fade from the actress's eyes. Extremely 'real' like you said.
This is one of my favorite movies. I actually can't believe this movie. I get all stirred just thinking about it, no joke. I became such a nerd for Kenneth Longergan after this, I read a bunch of his plays and also the script for his next movie, which takes place in the part of da world where i grew up.. v excited.
Kenneth Lonergan's 'Margaret' Extended Cut Now Streaming on HBO Max (https://www.indiewire.com/2021/01/margaret-extended-cut-kenneth-lonergan-hbo-max-1234607360/)
Quote from: wilder on January 04, 2021, 07:06:29 AM
Kenneth Lonergan’s ‘Margaret’ Extended Cut Now Streaming on HBO Max (https://www.indiewire.com/2021/01/margaret-extended-cut-kenneth-lonergan-hbo-max-1234607360/)
justicia !!
honestly, I'll never forget buying this blu -- I was more cringe-cinephile in high school and thought i was hot shit for having cop'd it after i read about the production. I watched it, and it shattered my notion of youthful ego for a while. Cannot wait to introduce it to more people.
Promise me it's better than Night of the Hunter...? :wink:
An easy promise. Knowing your taste I think you'll dig this one if not just for the lush symphony of ensemble performances, for its idiosyncratic beats.
The extended cut was never released on Blu-Ray, though?
Margaret is one of my favorite films - though I must admit, I prefer the shorter version. It's possible this is due to the fact that I saw it first, but the additional material, while illuminating on its own terms, doesn't really add much to the whole for me. Saw the long cut at, yet again, Metrograph, with Lonergan and J Cameron Smith in attendance. The DCP they presented looked very fuzzy and flat, too, which likely influenced my feelings toward it. Still an unparalleled masterpiece though no matter how it's projected.
I saw the two cuts in the same week, beginning with theatrical, and the extended was clearly a better version of what Lonergan aimed to do. But there are technical issues with the material, apparently, preventing them to do a Blu-Ray. HBO only does an upscale of the DVD.
FWIW, Lonergan stands behind both cuts.
Quote from: Drenk on January 04, 2021, 11:27:32 AM
The extended cut was never released on Blu-Ray, though?
Theatrical Blu came with the Extended cut on another disc. I just meant the purchase of Margaret Blu, you know the only previous way to see the Extended cut was the dvd disc in that combo pack....
Can't tell if you're trying to one-up me in some sense or wut lol
No, I was just wondering if I had missed something. I bought the DVD for the Extended. I didn't remember the Blu-Ray + DVD combo.
Ahh, word. I can't remember the first blu-ray we had in the house, but this was the first blu-ray i bought myself, and like, I thought the movie was so rare and precious it was my first taste of "collectors" rush maybe.
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The thing with Margaret is that it is a character study, and also a movie that shows a story being buried in the noise of all stories. Just incredible stuff.
And that girl deeply, deeply wants to be The Protagonist.
The scene where Lisa basically admits as much to Jeanie Berlin who responds "I think you are very young" and proceeds to lambaste her after Lisa calls her "strident" is its own brand of heartbreaking. I think that's the last scene they appear in together, if I recall correctly...
Quote from: Drenk on January 04, 2021, 03:04:22 PM
The thing with Margaret is that it is a character study, and also a movie that shows a story being buried in the noise of all stories. Just incredible stuff.
And that girl deeply, deeply wants to be The Protagonist.
Well put <3
Just rewatched this.
I think it's worth revisiting, for everyone. Its sound design and script are 'unique' within the American cinema scene. Such a delicate, humanist film.
Also, a bit dark to have Matthew Broderick in a film about a vehicular accident.
It's been long enough since I first saw it that I entirely forgot the plot! Plus, I never found the director's cut. Thanks for the reminder! In a Lonergan mood...