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Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanOn this fateful day, aclockworkjj has been banned.

This is an issue we've been dealing with for months. After much introspection, countless admin debates, and private dialogue with aclockworkjj (including warnings), we came to this decision.

His method was to make friends and enemies, attempting to split this place into factions, as did Pantalones before him. He conducted campaigns of ass-kissing (especially toward us admins) while conducting campaigns of personal hatred and corrosive disrespect. We believe he was dragging Xixax down into a place it never should have gone, a place it doesn't want to go.

Everything we held sacred has been victim to perversion by aclockworkjj at one time or another, and we strongly believe Xixax is better without him.

Let me make it clear that this is not some kind of ominous warning. We've done this because we value what we have and don't want to lose it. This decision was not made in spite of other members, but for the sake of other members.

Now it's time to come back together. It starts today.


- the administration

cbrad
Ghostboy
Jeremy Blackman
MacGuffin
mogwai
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picolas
RegularKarate

this does not relect my opinions but i feel he at least deserves a response to this ban after all he has put into this site
here is his official response:


ACJJ-"Well, Well, Well...glad something as stupid as Michael Moore can get someone banned.  Then I try starting a joking thread and it is read by the tight-ass admins as a rip on JB.  Sorry, i was trying to laugh in the process.  This forum is great cause the admins will converse...they will however let there admin duties get in the way if they disagree with you.  I am now seeing it clear...they will try and mold you into these little zombies...and make sure they come out on top.  I am beginning to think they are all just pissed off cause they had no friends in high school, and now they are finally liked (or at least have power).  That's fine...but the fuckin' sweetguy act gets old quick.  One thing i find hilarious within this whole thing...is that just last week I was aked by another member here to help start a new forum and be an admin there.  I politiely declined.  But whatever...if my content here was soley starting fights...i could understand.  But how many fights were actually there, and how many were created or manipulated by the sweet admins?  Just make sure you agree always and everything is cool.  I have most of my friends here elsewhere...but if anyone cares to my email address is always open.  aclockworkjj@netscape.net.  May you all have a merry christmas...and a stony new year.  Except the admins...(they can eat a big shit burger).

Let me say that this was the predicted response 100%

JJ ran on a formula of bullshit.  He was fueled on fights and fakery and I'm sorry it had to come to this, but it was necessary.

Think about this for one moment.  If we banned him because he didn't like Michael Moore, we would have to ban a lot of you... including MIKE!  The founder and president of this SITE!

This took a LOT of discussion and a long time and he was warned and warned and just continued his path.

I'm sure a few of you were close to JJ, but until recently, JJ treated me the same way he did all of you.  He sent me PMs that were basically kissing my ass and trying to get me on his side.  His more recent PMs weren't really like that.  I have a feeling that he would treat anyone else the same way.

http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=4609&start=60

i talk to jj outside of the boards, and he's really quite a nice guy...i understand why this happened, though.

Quote from: Pedro the Wombati talk to jj outside of the boards, and he's really quite a nice guy...i understand why this happened, though.

my thoughts exactly.

Well this is really a surprise for me... Since I joined XIXAX about 6 months ago I always saw jj as one of the icons of this place. He was also one of the few people that I have exchanged some private messages with and that showed interest in what I had to say... Yes sometimes I thought he was out of line or doing some things that were kinda bullshit... but I have seen some other people with same behaviour in here and in a friendly way... I might like it or not but I never saw a problem with admins...

I guess you guys probably have your reasons, and I hope this was the right decision to make.

JJ wants to say:

ACJJ-"Just wanted to say thanks to people's emails...i will try and keep in touch with all of you, and some of your comments are making me blush.  Anyways you guys take care...most of you will be missed"

Please clear this up, because I'm a little lost...

-Pantalones was banned because of the radical things he said, and the upheaval he tried to cause

-aclockworkjj was banned for the same reason

I heard neat was banned, too.  Now granted, I found Neat to be a bitch, but I didn't want him banned.  I liked the disgareements.  Do you want a messageboard of likeminded posters?  We all love PTA, now we all have to be liberal, or at least quiet our beliefs?  

I mean, you guys toss around words that make it sound like he was trying to overthrow a king or something.  I'm not saying you take this too seriously in general, I realize running a message board can be a bitch.  Having people post things you disagree with can be a daily annoyance.  Especially if they're radical, but hear me out from my side of the coin: aclockworkjj was just showing the other side most people didn't talk about.

Now, you may call me an ACJJ pawn, but he has nothing to do with this, really.  I talk to him on AIM, and he's a cool fella.  I don't think this is right that he's going.  What's the worst he could've done?  He would've turned noobs to the dark side?  Then they'd leave the boards?  The only remaining would be........

The likeminded posters.  You see, without ACJJ, you can have your agreements, but where does it go?  Where's the discussion?  Where do we see people's true colors?  We don't.  We get (the much appreciated) updates from Mac, and what else? "I like PTA." "Me too."

Whether you bring him back or not, just think about what the boards will be like without him.  Tey may be ideal for you, and all the admins may laugh and say it'll be great, and you may not think so, but without him, the conversation here will be pretty fucking dead.

I have made exaggerations in this post and I have may "said the wrong thing" but now you know where I stand on the matter.

great post

Quote from: Walrus, KookookajoobThe likeminded posters.  You see, without ACJJ, you can have your agreements, but where does it go?  Where's the discussion?  Where do we see people's true colors?  We don't.  We get (the much appreciated) updates from Mac, and what else? "I like PTA." "Me too."

I think the worst outcome would be something like


I hate Spielberg

I believe him to be great 8)  :P

We'll just have to agree to disagree then :-D  :)  8)  :lol:  :P  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:



But yet, none of this will happen because JJ is banned.  I don't feel bad about it because he KNEW he was close to being banned.  Even he thought he'd be banned sooner than this.  Everything's going to be all right, this is stupid.

That's just one man's guess.

Time will tell.

Quote from: Walrus, KookookajoobWe all love PTA, now we all have to be liberal, or at least quiet our beliefs?

Okay, like RK said this has nothing to do with politics. We expected this argument, because that's what ACJJ tried to make it about, and Pantalones before him.

Mike, Xixax himself, the founder of this site, is on the opposite of the political spectrum from me. We still like each other. We haven't banned each other.

Quote from: Walrus, KookookajoobYou see, without ACJJ, you can have your agreements, but where does it go?  Where's the discussion?

I would say the exact opposite, and that goes to the heart of (one of the reasons) why he was banned. Look at every debating thread he's posted in, every serious discussion, and look where it goes when he comes in. The discussion ends. The fight begins. It becomes personal. Hateful. And disrespectful.

This place is a big soap opera

Here, I'll edit this post and explain my comments.. I didn't want to seem like a vague prick typing one sentence and leaving. So be it if it adds the stamp of "edited by Mr.BurgerKing" I'll let you guys consider me an indecisive prick this one time, going back and editing his post because he couldn't do it right the first time. I'm alright with that, but in this case I felt it needed to be edited so I can go back and explain where I'm coming from with this comment which I so eagerly typed a bit earlier. I hate to say it, but this place is a big soap opera, there are lots of threads like this. I'm fine with that though, that's what it means to be a human being. Why deny the internet with what makes people human beings. Otherwise we'd all be robots. So, as you can see, by editing my post, I'm clarifying that I'm not saying this in a negative tone, but a positive tone. Like you're watching Full House and uncle Jesse says in a sweet tone "aww, this place is a big soap opera" like he's saying "this place is MY big soap opera, it's a part of me" as opposed to Bob Saget (when he gets home of course, because you all know he's probably a sadistic prick when he gets home from a hard day's shoot) "This place is a fucking soap opera!" where he complains about it "This place is a fucking SOAP OPERRAA" he's fed up with it. In this case, I'm taking the Uncle Jesse approach, but I also think it would be perfectly valid to take on the Bob Saget approach.

I think the most discussion on the board (that I've seen anyway) or at least the most controversy has been:

The banning of ACJJ
The rebanning of ACJJ
The removal/replacement of Idle Chatter

I'm not trying to be a dick when I say you gotta put 2 and 2 together...

Quote from: Walrus, KookookajoobI think the most discussion on the board (that I've seen anyway) or at least the most controversy has been:

The banning of ACJJ
The rebanning of ACJJ
The removal/replacement of Idle Chatter

I'm not trying to be a dick when I say you gotta put 2 and 2 together...

So what kind of tone are you taking on Walrus, Kookookajoob (typing your name is like doing a rubix cube.. Did I even say that right, Rubix cube? Is that what it's called?). Are you taking the uncle jesse or bob saget approach? Or the Fox approach, when they reported the moo nlanding hoax, are you saying it's an Oliver Stone conspiracy, Michael Jackson conspiracy, they want to cause contraversy and more action, drama in XIXAX.com so they ban aclockwork orange? Hah, that's irony, I didn't even notice, A clockwork orange was at one point banned in the UK (the movie), and now the user aclockwork orange has been banned. The thing is though, will we ever look to aclockworkjj for genius?

I just gotta say I really liked him. He'll be missed.  :cry:

He was one of the reasons that made me come back to this board daily.

Well, xixax lives on and it's great!

Quote from: Walrus, KookookajoobI think the most discussion on the board (that I've seen anyway) or at least the most controversy has been:

The banning of ACJJ
The rebanning of ACJJ
The removal/replacement of Idle Chatter

I'm not trying to be a dick when I say you gotta put 2 and 2 together...

If you think the MOST DISCUSSION on the board were these topics, then you should really visit the rest of the board.

This is a film forum... yes we need to have personalities and share them with everyone and be colorful, but it's not AICN, it's not an all out battle, ACJJ was just stirring shit up.  (I have pointed this out many times over, but there are plenty of people here who disagree with our points of view, JJ was just so selfish and spotlight hungry, you may have missed them).  

We had plenty of great conversations and debates before he got here and will continue for quite some time.  You'll see... or you'll leave and you won't... that's your decision.

Quote from: RegularKarateThis is a film forum....

i think people seem to forget this.

Quote from: themodernage02i visit Idle Chatter much less than the 'main' forums.

one more reason...

look people, this isnt some sort of nazi regime, so i dont know what everyone is up in arms about.  xixax is like an open house.  c'mon in, take your shoes off.  have a beer and some chips, talk to the other guests, and youll have a good time.  but you can just act like you own the place and start breaking shit and pissing off whoever owns the house.  becuase, it aint your house.  i dont know what clockwork did to get banned, but frankly its not my problem.  its his.  i trust the admin's to do what is neccesary to keep this party from getting out of hand, cause thats how stuff gets broken.  anyone who doesnt feel that way should probbly talk to them about it in private and not try to start some sort of mass hysteria here.  if clockwork is coming back, he's gonna have to talk to them himself.  its really not anyone elses business.

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Quote from: RegularKarateThis is a film forum....

i think people seem to forget this.

Quote from: themodernage02i visit Idle Chatter much less than the 'main' forums.

one more reason...

look people, this isnt some sort of nazi regime, so i dont know what everyone is up in arms about.  xixax is like an open house.  c'mon in, take your shoes off.  have a beer and some chips, talk to the other guests, and youll have a good time.  but you can just act like you own the place and start breaking shit and pissing off whoever owns the house.  becuase, it aint your house.  i dont know what clockwork did to get banned, but frankly its not my problem.  its his.  i trust the admin's to do what is neccesary to keep this party from getting out of hand, cause thats how stuff gets broken.  anyone who doesnt feel that way should probbly talk to them about it in private and not try to start some sort of mass hysteria here.  if clockwork is coming back, he's gonna have to talk to them himself.  its really not anyone elses business.

Second this.

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Quote from: RegularKarateThis is a film forum....

i think people seem to forget this

yeah but to dedicated posters it is more than that

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Quote from: themodernage02

Quote from: RegularKarateThis is a film forum....

i think people seem to forget this

yeah but to dedicated posters it is more than that

i think that the administration has to make a decision about this... idle chatter stays, goes, or whatever you want to do... but it cant be a subject that every once in a while goes under discussion for the same reason... people just talk about any shit that happens in here and some people get upset about it... either we limit the topics of discussion or we let everyone say whatever the hell they want

But if ANYONE is going to think that this place is going to die without him is kidding themselves. Above all, this place will be a lot cleaner. I hope nobody else thinks that there won't be any discussion without him around, because that shows you don't come to Xixax often enough. Or, if you do, then you just don't pay attention to the many deep, SOPHISTICATED discussions - and the ones that come to mind right away are the ones from JB and GT. I made a comment on the Moore thread that I get headaches from people like JJ who write with so much naivete versus everyone else's writing, and he lashed out at me in a post that I replied was terribly ironic. Then he brought up how I 'stole' his avatar months ago and was completely ignorant to what I said. That sort of epitomized his tenure here. And while from time to time I enjoyed some things he input here, such as some funny links, I was very aggravated with a lot of the shit he stirred up around here. He was a lot like Pantalones, only minus the obnoxious "I can say WHATEVER I want and I'll NEVER get banned!" Usually, it was more subtly implied.
I know JJ will read what I'm saying but no matter - I'm not going to hold back on my feelings of how he was here. I'm sure he knows full well that I enjoyed his company sometimes and was just pissed with his comments other times. But yeah, I thought of JJ as that annoying guy at the party. Where everyone is having a blast until that annoying guy just gets up and does something where everybody begins shifting their eyes and backs away or they attack in self defense because he's being a dick. Anyway, whatever. This was all inevitable and that's that. Oh, I should even mention that one thing the pro-ACJJ's should note is that he really DID try picking fights and the one BIG example that came into my head is him spontaneously taking shots at P, who generally avoided him at all costs. Just look at those posts and if you don't shake your head in shame at the behaviour then that's probably why you disagree with the admins. Because they frowned at this sort of attitude by him and I can absolutely sympathize with their ultimate decision to ban him. Enough was enough.

Okay, so that's all for me, folks. If you need me, I'll be stealing more avatars. Adios.

I like AJ and have had some good PMs with him, but i did notice that latley he was actin a fool. However, I do believe that certain people have came back just to push his buttons....

he claims to be the victim of a vast conspiracy, a scapegoat of everything that's wrong with the 'world' by a group of socially inept power-drunken maniacs.

yeah, they'll do what they think.  

is it just?  is it fair?  maybe not all the time.  

they'd like to think so and they strive for that...but who said they had to be?  what prevents them from making you all dance for custom avatars or titles or special priveleges?  nothing, but we know that's not their game.  they're good people.

they built it and it's their judgement and yeah you can say you don't like it or you don't agree with it but a 'fuck you' going that way deserves a fuck you.  

he invested not in the community or the place, but the people residing in it.   that's why he's mad...frustrated...confused...and the powers took his ability to communicate with them in that forum away from him.  but that's the chance you take when you come to one of these places.  they might all secretly be nazis for all you know.  but it doesn't matter, you might as well play by their rules or just go somewhere else.  because it could all disappear tomorrow.  the older ones that have been around for a while should know that.  that should be a lesson drilled deep within the center of their brain.  they saw it happen.

so buck the fuck up, kids

sphinx

i dunno if this is really good or kinda sad.

i mean, i've been wanting acjj to go away for many months, he was the one who fueled not only alot of fights but also just general stupidity, like when idle chatter was flooded. his posts were everywhere and he was playing this role of mister nice guy only go into short rampages tine after time and immediatly apologize and kiss everones ass after. and when you would engage him he would start his 'i don't give a shit about anything or anyone, this is just a messageboard' speach kinda thing. but because of the role of mr. nice guy he was playing, he was obviously hard for the admins to ban. so in that case you CAN say that he was playing his cards in a clever way, well congratulations acjj.

but in another way i'm worried cos of the people who have fallen for his martyr thing(a thing he really was building up lately by playing the victim), i'm not attacking them or anything (they are mostly really good people) but come on...how can you give into that?

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Well put!!

VIVA LA RESISTANCE!!!!!

Guys I love you all, seriously in one way or another. But I hate when ANY long term member gets banned. I think we are all adults here , and that we should be able to resolve any type of despute without resorting to someone getting banned. I myself have had numerous arguements with unnamed xixax members that quickly get resolved with one private message sincere apology. To be honest with all of you I do believe this is alittle extreme, however that is only my opinion. Please reconsider bringing back JJ, the guy is actually a really nice guy. What can it hurt if you guys give him one more chance?

There is so much wrong in all this (both sides).

However it leaves me with an aprehensive question: Who's next?

It's bad that the question even has to be asked, but logically that's the direction all this is going.

Quote from: God Damn Im Da ManVIVA LA RESISTANCE!!!!!

Guys I love you all, seriously in one way or another. But I hate when ANY long term member gets banned. I think we are all adults here , and that we should be able to resolve any type of despute without resorting to someone getting banned. I myself have had numerous arguements with unnamed xixax members that quickly get resolved with one private message sincere apology. To be honest with all of you I do believe this is alittle extreme, however that is only my opinion. Please reconsider bringing back JJ, the guy is actually a really nice guy. What can it hurt if you guys give him one more chance?

I agree with this butthead for the first time... well said!!  :wink:

Quote from: RaikusHowever it leaves me with an aprehensive question: Who's next?

That's a lame question. Cause the people who get banned deserves it. The admins are fair people and acts only in the best interest of the board. I mean this isn't Cambodia or a Franz Kafka novel.....

Quote from: RaikusHowever it leaves me with an aprehensive question: Who's next?

No one. I tried to make that clear in the announcement. This is not about a pattern, this is about aclockworkjj.

Quote from: RaikusThere is so much wrong in all this (both sides).

However it leaves me with an aprehensive question: Who's next?

It's bad that the question even has to be asked, but logically that's the direction all this is going.

I don't think you understand.  That's not the "direction" it's going.

PS:  I know you would like to think it's you with your bad-boy sig and rebelous anti-admin attitude, but we want to keep you around Raikus, you're just so darned CUTE!

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Quote from: RaikusHowever it leaves me with an aprehensive question: Who's next?

That's a lame question. Cause the people who get banned deserves. The admins are fair people and acts only in the best interest of the board. I mean this isn't Cambodia or a Franz Kafka novel.....

I'm not saying this is a conspiracy by a bunch or neo-nazi freedom stealers. But lately the feeling of certain admins abusing their powers has been noticeable in the air. Starting with P's banning of Pantolones and JJ, his apology, renouncing of powers (and the eventual reissuing of powers and return) I think it's been tangeable on this board. I'm not going to stand up for the quantity and quality of JJ's posts, but God Damn's post is spot on. And being that those banned have all shared more right wing opinions opposed to the majority of the active admin's left wing opinions. So, the question as to "Who's next" is viable. Hopefully not foreshadowing, but definitely a possible direction this could all take.

Quote from: RegularKaratePS: I know you would like to think it's you with your bad-boy sig and rebelous anti-admin attitude, but we want to keep you around Raikus, you're just so darned CUTE!

I'm not trying to be a spokesperson for a coupe against the admins or anything else. But, as a member of the Xixax community, a community I happen to enjoy, I do see things that do irritate me and I feel it's necessary to voice them. Will it change anything if I speak my mind? Probably not, but lately it has seemed differing opinions are getting taboo around here and I'd like to keep it otherwise.

Quote from: Raikus1. Starting with P's banning of Pantolones and JJ,
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2. Will it change anything if I speak my mind?

1. here's where a lot of the trouble comes from, misinformation and false propaganda. i didn't ban pantalones, all the admins agreed on it and it went through quite smoothly. SoNowThen found out about them both at the same time, and made that thread in which i left.. but they had nothing to do with each other. please, if ur gonna cite precedent, try to know what ur talking about.

2. no. ur being stubborn about this whole event, no matter how many times the admins explain clearly why jj was banned, and other members agree and elaborate on the point, u still want to believe that it was an impulsive reaction to sumthing stupid he said. get over urself. ur not gonna get banned.

I liked the guy.  I'd like to know specifically what he did to get banned.  But I have a feeling we'll never know.  Adios buddy.

Raikus turned me into a newt!

EDIT:  Like I said before, I understand the banning but I do not agree with it.  I think someone like Thecowgoooesmooo stirs up just as much shit and doesn't have nearly the same # of supporters.

Quote from: SHAFTRRaikus turned me into a newt!

EDIT:  Like I said before, I understand the banning but I do not agree with it.  I think someone like Thecowgoooesmooo stirs up just as much shit and doesn't have nearly the same # of supporters.

by supporters u mean ppl that are naive enough to buy into his bullshit?

i think our original post in the other thread explains the banning quite clearly. i think the key thing here is that this wasn't something we just decided to do yesterday. this has been under discussion for months. everyone of us have warned him a many of times, w/ countless pms. in response, he would either kiss our ass to death only to continue his bullshit a day later or he would start a fight. seriously, why would u want someone like that around?

the backlash was expected. all i can say is that as administrators of this board we felt it was the right decision. agree or disagree, i think u'll find that within a couple of weeks, after this has all cooled down, xixax will be a much more pleasant place for u.

Quote from: RaikusThere is so much wrong in all this (both sides).

However it leaves me with an aprehensive question: Who's next?

It's bad that the question even has to be asked, but logically that's the direction all this is going.

exactly where i'm coming from. this is only a message board. a spectactularly cool message board, but it is still only a board. i read myself typing this and i say, "well, andrew, if it's only a fucking board-- then just drop jj's banishment it and move on or leave." it's a valid point that he was stirring shit up. however, the only warnings i saw were adversarial or authoritarian actions that would piss anybody off. for that reason, i don't think that jj owes anybody an apology.

Quote from: Reinhold Messnerhowever, the only warnings i saw were adversarial or authoritarian actions that would piss anybody off. for that reason, i don't think that jj owes anybody an apology.

Quote from: Jeremy Blackman, in the announcement,and private dialogue with aclockworkjj (including warnings)

Quote from: ©bradeveryone of us have warned him a many of times, w/ countless pms. in response, he would either kiss our ass to death only to continue his bullshit a day later or he would start a fight.

I don't think there's anything left to discuss. It's going in circles. We know why he got banned, still people wonder 'why on earth did they ban ACJJ?'

It is how it is. Let's get back to business.

Quote from: kotteI don't think there's anything left to discuss. It's going in curcles. We know why he got banned, still people wonder 'why on earth did you ban ACJJ'.

IT is how it is. Let's get back to business.

I know why, but I still don't know if it was just or not.

Quote from: kotteI don't think there's anything left to discuss. It's going in circles. We know why he got banned, still people wonder 'why on earth did they ban ACJJ?'

Ir is how it is. Let's get back to business.

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Quote from: kotteI don't think there's anything left to discuss. It's going in curcles. We know why he got banned, still people wonder 'why on earth did you ban ACJJ'.

IT is how it is. Let's get back to business.

I know why, but I still don't know if it was just or not.

They banned him for a reason. That's how I see it. I'm fucking GLAD they banned Pant. Some people loved him. I had a huge fucking problem with him. I hate that ACJJ got banned. I enjoyed our conversations. But there were some that didn't like his attitude or whatever. I respect that. The people who banned ACJJ got Pantas off my back.

Bring ACJJ back? You really think he wants to come back?

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by supporters u mean ppl that are naive enough to buy into his bullshit?

fuck you for saying that.  I support him but that does not mean that i am naive nor is anyone else who does.  WE ALL KNOW THAT HE RUBBED MANY THE WRONG WAY.  Just cause we support him dosent mean that we agree with his views and posts.  He is a nice guy and i think it should not have come to this although i understand how it all went down.  He never tried to give any propoganda to his frineds on the board.  In fact he would talk shit about some members that i like and dont have probelms with.  Pants was like that though.  He tried to turn others against others.

I think that a last chance for ACJJ would be in order because he really cares about this place and lots of people here.  Maybe if some of his closer friends told him the conditions of a final chance im sure he would be happy to come back with a better attitude.  Hopefully his old im above the administration attitude would be gone because he realizes the reality of being banned.

I think this will be my last post on the issue being that i dont think the topic is going anywhere.

That being said, i do respect the administration and i do love this place so im cool with all.

Heres a pic to help relax

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Feels like being back in 2. grade!  :shock:

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Quote from: Raikus1. Starting with P's banning of Pantolones and JJ,
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2. Will it change anything if I speak my mind?

1. here's where a lot of the trouble comes from, misinformation and false propaganda. i didn't ban pantalones, all the admins agreed on it and it went through quite smoothly. SoNowThen found out about them both at the same time, and made that thread in which i left.. but they had nothing to do with each other. please, if ur gonna cite precedent, try to know what ur talking about.

Sorry to dissapoint, P, but there was no propaganda with my interpretation. My interpretation came from reading the same thread, same apology, and same outcries from it as everyone else. You apologized saying you were wrong for abusing your admin powers. I'm sorry I misunderstood that you didn't ban Pantalones yourself, but from reading that thread that's exactly what it sounded like.

Why don't you explain exactly what happened with that situation so those of us that aren't admins will have the "true" and "accurate" story?

Quote2. no. ur being stubborn about this whole event, no matter how many times the admins explain clearly why jj was banned, and other members agree and elaborate on the point, u still want to believe that it was an impulsive reaction to sumthing stupid he said. get over urself. ur not gonna get banned.

I don't think I'm going to get banned. Self-preservation is never a quality I've instituted and I don't feel the need for it here either. I'm the type of person that will speak their mind on a subject and that's where all this is coming from. If I was afraid of getting banned my question would have been "Am I Next?"

Some of you seem to have an inflated opinion about certain subjects. I'm trying to show you what other people on this board are thinking about those same subjects. My trust of certain admins has been breached during the last two months or so, therefore, saying "trust me" doesn't really apply for me. So now you have a bit of my opinion on the goings on around Xixax. I hope it will help.

Quote from: BankyI think that a last chance for ACJJ would be in order because he really cares about this place and lots of people here.

I'm a big fan of redemption and forgiveness. And I liked JJ. But if someone doesn't see the error of their ways, how can they be expected to change them? A "last chance" only works if change can be assured.

The question of P banning Pantalones and JJ has been brought up, and then the heated discussion about the admins banning aclockworkjj.

But, philosophically, Pantalones banned Pantalones and aclockworkjj banned aclockworkjj. And that's that.

Quote from: CinephileThe question of P banning Pantalones and JJ has been brought up, and then the heated discussion about the admins banning aclockworkjj.

But, philosophically, Pantalones banned Pantalones and aclockworkjj banned aclockworkjj. And that's that.

If that was the case, why did p feel the need to resign and leave the site? The whole debacle now seems to be getting a glossy coating for some reason. Let p tell what happened so I and many others can be informed.

I'll field this one. See the other thread.

this is the most fucked up zig zag discussion i have ever windnessed. can't we please lock on of the threads?

lock the one i started if you want... it was only supposed to be a petition anyway.

Quote from: XIXAX

Quote from: BankyI think that a last chance for ACJJ would be in order because he really cares about this place and lots of people here.

I'm a big fan of redemption and forgiveness. And I liked JJ. But if someone doesn't see the error of their ways, how can they be expected to change them? A "last chance" only works if change can be assured.

i agree

The Revolution has Begun.

Welly, well, well, well...You guys banned aclockworkjj.  I hope you feel proud and accomplished in the twisted idea of that was the answer.  The way I see it, he was banned cause he put some of you in your place and was pushing the buttons the entire way through.  And instead of just simply admitting he can throw together an argument, you all are too worried about admitting it yourselves.  

Let me tell you all a story.    

I have been reading this site for about the last 9 months.  One day I saw that he mentioned where he lived.  It was very close to myself.  This sparked my interest cause honestly I was beginning to think the guy was a robot.  Around 4am one morning (I couldn't sleep), I decided to send this "robot" an instant message.  Just to see if he was for real.  Sure enough, he responded and we ended up chatting about the film Wonder Boys (?) till he had to get to bed before his alarm clock went off at 7am.  We continued to converse over time, on any subject.  Whether it was cinema, music, painting, love (I am not gay nor is he), life, history, computers, science, etc.  In fact we even had a 2 hour conversation about soda and the future of the soft drink industry once. Then one day I suggested he come to see a show my friend was playing at a local bar.  Honestly I didn't think he would show up.  Not only did he show up, but he came with probably one of the coolest girls I have ever met.  The night ended with a bunch of drunken fools sharing laughs over a Denny's omelet at 5am.  

I do not post here cause I honestly don't check it enough and just like to read about upcoming movies, but today I felt the need to register.  I still hang out with Josh and he has actually become a good friend of mine.  You think he is out of control here?  Try going to a Yankees game with him.  Trust me, it's probably the most fun I have ever had while being embarrassed.  

The guy is passionate about pretty much anything he does, as well as a girl named Audrey.  If you couldn't see that here, then I feel bad for you all.  I am sure he is the first to admit he has been out of line, or heaven forbid, even wrong at times.  And doesn't everyone have bad days?

I just saw this thread while looking around and he might even not like the idea of me doing this.  But the answer that was defined here is not the right one.  I am sure he has helped a lot of people here no matter what it was.  He helped me get rid of a virus that was driving me crazy for weeks.  

To me, I think the administration of this site needs to look twice at some of the things they have done to "preserve the content".  You guys just banned the most passionate person here.  Realize that.  Yes, his post count was high, but do you think that ment a thing to him?  Did he get there by just posting articles?  Did he only post in this Idle Chatter?  If you all are that one dimensional, I suggest that everyone's response from now on should be, "Yeah, that was a good movie".  

I will gladly sign this petition, but not only do I feel he should be unbanned, but I feel he should be an Admin as well.  Why not get a "real" voice in on the say?  Things need to change here or else make it a private forum.  In order to keep this site running smooth there needs to be fresh ideas.  I saw him at least attempting to create them on a daily basis.  That is more than I can say about some.

Sure, I am a friend of his, but this goes without saying this was a bad decision in everyway.  Pretty much anytime I have been to his place (which always has an open door policy by the way) guess what would be on his computer screen?  As I said, you dumbshits just banned the most passionate person here.  Please feel proud.

This is my 1st and only post I will be making here.  As any "filmmakers forum" that wards off passion and creativity has no room to share my mental space.  Hopefully this place will have another person step up to bitch slap the few that need it, but realize you will get banned.  XIXAX is the only one I see here that is worthy of praise.  It is his boat.  How he let it sink is beyond me.    

I am now going to pick up some beer and swing by his place, as this is the first I have heard of such mockery.  I hope you all feel high and mighty.

-NEO

ps. Sorry for stealing your avatar Banky.

Quote from: the oneI will gladly sign this petition, but not only do I feel he should be unbanned, but I feel he should be an Admin as well.

Joke of the Month.

Please lock this one too so we can get past this. I see interesting things being posted about when this is over and done with.

wow... that was quite the whining spree. i agree with all of the facts you stated and i want him back every bit as much as you do, but the judgemental overtones don't solve anything, "neo". how about a real name to go with the guilt trip?

Quote from: kottePlease lock this one too so we can get past this. I see interesting things being posted about when this is over and done with.

edit: i was a bitch when i responded to that the first time.

i don't think that would really solve much, kotte.

god, whats with all this fucking junior high politics going on here?

this is embarrassing

Quote from: Reinhold Messnerwow... that was quite the whining spree. i agree with all of the facts you stated and i want him back every bit as much as you do, but the judgemental overtones don't solve anything, "neo". how about a real name to go with the guilt trip?

Don't tell me you don't know who "the One" is. He posted from a library to get his last words in.

As I said before, I can see why aclockworkjj was banned, but I don't see him as the bad guy some of you are making him into.

You guys are acting like he had this big masterplan to split xixax up into 2 warring factions.  He posted a lot and sometimes his posts disrupted an otherwise good thread, but I don't see this as anything more than that.

i think he's much more over it than we appear to be.

hey, there's no need to put a sticky on this one.

Cool

Quote from: Reinhold Messneri think he's much more over it than we appear to be.

Yeah, so much that he had to come here disguised as a "friend" of JJ's to tell a made up story trying to lay a guilt trip.

Seriously... this is exactly how he's always been... manipulative and just basically full of shit.

you guys banned his host name, schmuck. i was talking to him when it was posted... he couldn't have been posting something that long and talking to me at the same time. he was watching the greenbay game. i doubt that he was doing all of that from a library.

Quote from: aclockworkjj on AIMaclockworkjj:   yeah...what can i say mac...i have nothing better to do an go to the libray and shoot shit....funny thing being...my library is closed today!!!!

Well, I can say I did what I could to understand it and fight for Mr. JJ.  But, to quote the most credible source of all:

Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da.

Quote from: aclockworkjj on AIMaclockworkjj:   yeah...what can i say mac...i have nothing better to do an go to the libray and shoot shit....funny thing being...my library is closed today!!!!

IP = Placentia-Library.cust-rtr.pacbell.net

http://www.placentialibrary.org/

Hours on Sunday are from 1pm to 5 pm.

so.... i haven't been around here in awhile.  sumone tell me,  wtf is going on in this fine community?!

Quote from: MacGuffin

Quote from: aclockworkjj on AIMaclockworkjj:   yeah...what can i say mac...i have nothing better to do an go to the libray and shoot shit....funny thing being...my library is closed today!!!!

IP = Placentia-Library.cust-rtr.pacbell.net

http://www.placentialibrary.org/

Hours on Sunday are from 1pm to 5 pm.

it's pearl harbor day... but the point is that it wasn't him.

Quote from: jtmso.... i haven't been around here in awhile.  sumone tell me,  wtf is going on in this fine community?!

Run while you still can, or we'll give you the initiation!

Quote from: Reinhold Messnerit's pearl harbor day... but the point is that it wasn't him.

Phone: (714) 528-1906
Just called. Receptionist said they close at 5 pm. Pearl Harbor day is not a holiday.

And that message from "the one" was copied and pasted. Notice how the quotation marks are different than the ones used when typing here.


If it's not him, then I apologize.

im not scared. 8)

Quote from: jtmim not scared. 8)

Not yet.  Give it time.

Quote from: Reinhold Messneri think he's much more over it than we appear to be.

it really wasn't him. i realize that he won't be un-banned. i'm just not down with the demonization. fuck it, though. we've all wasted too much time on this thread.

edit:
that wasn't a parting shot. i don't want to perpetuate this.

No matter, if it wasn't him (Which I'm sure it was), it was someone he put up to doing it.  

You can't possibly believe a weak story like that.  Shit... what a fucking COINCIDENCE that someone that happened to live right by him noticed him and thought he was SOOOOO cool and just happened to live by him and now they're best buds 4 ever!  Oh, and he just happened to have never registered until now.... seriously

Quote from: RegularKarateSo whoever posted that BROKE into the library to make that post?

No matter, if it wasn't him (Which I'm sure it was), it was someone he put up to doing it.  

You can't possibly a weak story like that.  Shit... what a fucking COINCIDENCE that someone that happened to live right by him noticed him and thought he was SOOOOO cool and just happened to live by him and now they're best buds 4 ever!  Oh, and he just happened to have never registered until now.... seriously

I did notice a coincidence as well, but there are some factors that come in that, though they may be untrue, are still possibilities...

-He could've been talking to JJ and heard from JJ he was banend so he signed in to tell us what he thought about it.  Havign the person who got you into it banned is enough reason to start.

-Maybe they were completely unaffiliated with JJ.  I don't think he'd go this much out of his way to say something that didn't have much impact anyway.

Quote from: MacGuffin

Quote from: Reinhold Messnerit's pearl harbor day... but the point is that it wasn't him.

Phone: (714) 528-1906
Just called. Receptionist said they close at 5 pm. Pearl Harbor day is not a holiday.

And that message from "the one" was copied and pasted. Notice how the quotation marks are different than the ones used when typing here.


If it's not him, then I apologize.

hahah, man mac is there anything you cant find out?

not that i know if it was him or not

Quote from: Bankyhahah, man mac is there anything you cant find out?

Only one. When that Scorsese box set is coming out.

Hahaha this is awesome

i think Macguffin is actually Morgan Freeman posing as a Xixax admin. when you think about it, it makes too much sense not to be true.

Quote from: picolasi think Macguffin is actually Morgan Freeman posing as a Xixax admin. when you think about it, it makes too much sense not to be true.

HAHAHAHA

Edit: Forgot to read the last page, again. Picolas beat me to the punch by a few hours, heh. Sigh, oh well. Good time had by all.

Quote from: MacGuffin

Quote from: Reinhold Messnerit's pearl harbor day... but the point is that it wasn't him.

Phone: (714) 528-1906
Just called. Receptionist said they close at 5 pm. Pearl Harbor day is not a holiday.

And that message from "the one" was copied and pasted. Notice how the quotation marks are different than the ones used when typing here.


If it's not him, then I apologize.

Mac has Somerset-like detective skills. Ironic to that Somerset did research in a library.

i don't want to perpetuate this. jj asked me to post this for him:

Quote from: jj on AIMmac thinks he is on top of things...let him think that...let him believe he has cracked the matrix.  Unfortunately...what is the reverse of this scenerio?  I do not nor ever wanted to be an admin...but i can say if i was some wouldn't have been banned.  The admin think as long as they clear traces, everything will be okay.  Am i Neo?  Or am i just a sorry bloke that lost a part of his life?  Interpretation has a whole new meaning...unfortunately..you guys aren't seeing most of this story.  Thank your admins...as they are the best there are.  JJ aka NEO...or so you think.  hehehe.

i'm beginning to think that this thread could better serve its boring, played out purpose locked. please don't shoot the messenger.

We've had a day to simmer over this. That's enough for me. We can take further discussion to PM if anyone thinks it's necessary.

Let's not start any new threads on this topic, either. They'll just be locked or deleted.

If anyone has a problem with this, I invite you to PM me and we can discuss it privately.

well, thank god i missed all of THAT noise.

i just want to say this- reinhold and walrus and whoever else communicates w/ acjj outside of xixax, please DO NOT post any messages from him. it's not going to change anything. we banned him for a reason. it's over. any more of these messages should and will be deleted.

let's get on w/ our happy xixax lives.