THE CONVERSATION

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SoNowThen

#15
November 28, 2003, 12:38:08 PM
yes, this was one of my all time best blind-buy moments, 2 1/2 years ago.

plus, the Murch commentary is top dog.
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snaporaz

#16
January 22, 2004, 03:38:27 AM
well i finally saw this movie tonight for the first time. got some mixed feelings about it.

i kind of liked it, but i guess i can't dig it as much as alot of you guys. my main complaint is that i felt a tremendous and inappropriate lack of tension throughout the film. as a so-called thriller or mystery, my brain was not working on this movie as much as i hoped for. the only times i felt something really intriguing happening was when harry was deciphering the conversation by playing back the tapes, when stett was on the screen, when harry was in the hotel rooms, and when harry was trying to de-bug his apartment.

however, the music is some of the best i've ever heard in a movie before, and i was impressed with the ending alot. and it was fun watching something so, for lack of better words, so fucking seventies.

but other than that, i can't say much more than calling the movie a fair work.

Finn

#17
January 22, 2004, 07:32:14 AM
I need to go buy this. I've wanted to see it for a long time.
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#18
May 27, 2005, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: snaporazi kind of liked it, but i guess i can't dig it as much as alot of you guys. my main complaint is that i felt a tremendous and inappropriate lack of tension throughout the film. as a so-called thriller or mystery, my brain was not working on this movie as much as i hoped for.

It's strange.  I had similar feelings the first time I saw the picture.  I kept almost falling asleep.  But, I watched the movie a couple of years later and it was like a completely different movie.  The tension was there, the intrigue, the characters, the pathos...it was all there and working to tremendous effect.  I'm not sure exactly what it was but I definately saw its greatness when I revisited it.  It is a great film.  

I suggest checking it out again and seeing if it works better.

squints

#19
May 28, 2005, 04:08:20 PM
I just watched this in class yesterday....weird
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#20
May 31, 2005, 04:06:20 AM
Great film, actually strangely one of the few films that scared the living crap out of me and gave me nightmares.
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#21
May 31, 2005, 10:25:26 AM
Quote from: SiliasRubyGreat film, actually strangely one of the few films that scared the living crap out of me and gave me nightmares.
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MacGuffin

#22
September 18, 2006, 01:37:51 AM
Coppola's Conversation to Become a Series
Source: Variety

Producer Tony Krantz ("24") is teaming with screenwriters Christopher McQuarrie (The Usual Suspects) and Erik Jendresen ("Band of Brothers") to turn Francis Ford Coppola's The Conversation into a weekly series for ABC.

Coppola is on board as an executive producer, Krantz said, with ABC sibling Touchstone Television close to a deal to serve as the project's studio, along with Krantz's Flame Ventures.

Released in 1974, between Coppola's first two "Godfather" films, The Conversation is a sparse thriller featuring Gene Hackman as master of electronic surveillance Harry Caul.

McQuarrie and Jendresen plan to set the TV version in the present day, with Caul now equally adept at digital spying and traditional audio surveillance.

The series will feature close-ended stories, with Caul reluctantly taking on cases in order to help people deserving of assistance. But there'll also be an ongoing storyline since, as in the movie, Caul will be a man under constant observation by various government agencies due to a secret conversation he's recorded.

Caul will work with a group of four other experts he's assembled, none of whom ever know what the others are up to.

McQuarrie and Jendresen will write the pilot, executive producing with Krantz and Coppola.
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#23
September 18, 2006, 07:31:17 AM
That's a terrible idea.

However, the movie was quite good. I can't see it turning into a show that people would actually watch, is the problem, given Caul's personality and profession.

grand theft sparrow

#24
September 18, 2006, 08:18:57 AM
I think this show WOULD be popular.  The problem is it won't be even close to the quality of the film.  Yeah, that goes without saying because it's TV and the source material is one of the best films of the 1970s but even taking all that into account, it's probably going to resemble CSI more than The Conversation.  But that's why it's going to be huge.  Especially if they get a recognizable face, like Michael Madsen or Ed O'Neill or whoever is next in line for a TV comeback.

And now we all know where Christopher McQuarrie went after Year of the Gun.   :yabbse-undecided: 

SiliasRuby

#25
September 18, 2006, 12:24:27 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on September 18, 2006, 01:37:51 AM
Coppola's Conversation to Become a Series
Ehhh, seems okay, I just hope it doesn't scare me.
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#26
September 18, 2006, 01:39:31 PM
Quote from: hackspaced on September 18, 2006, 08:18:57 AM
I think this show WOULD be popular.  The problem is it won't be even close to the quality of the film.  Yeah, that goes without saying because it's TV and the source material is one of the best films of the 1970s but even taking all that into account, it's probably going to resemble CSI more than The Conversation.  But that's why it's going to be huge.  Especially if they get a recognizable face, like Michael Madsen or Ed O'Neill or whoever is next in line for a TV comeback.

And now we all know where Christopher McQuarrie went after Year of the Gun.   :yabbse-undecided: 
That's ultimately my problem with it. To make it appealing they'd have to throw out everything that made the movie what it is. Saying The Conversation is about an audio surveillance specialist with a very important tape is missing a lot. Perhaps it could be successful, but in the process they'd have to change Caul's character around to make him likable in a broader sense. A protagonist that is paranoid and doesn't talk much and lacks friends wouldn't make good primetime TV, I don't think.

tpfkabi

#27
November 17, 2006, 11:29:54 PM
another great film in the 5.50 bin at Wal-Mart.

wasn't sure about the links to PDL on the imdb page, but then i thought about the PDL apartment scenes.

murch's commentary said the original cut was 5 hrs!!! the girl who sleeps with harry and the rival had nothing to do with the missing tapes originally.
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gob

#28
November 19, 2006, 04:46:30 AM
It's a classic for sure. Hackman is amazing but the supporting cast are great too including a weirdly effeminate Harrison Ford.

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#29
November 28, 2006, 01:03:06 PM
great commentary, i love coppala commentaries, this guy's got nothing to hide and almost seems to not even be affected by ego.  i like the bit where he talks about his personal films compared to the newer ones he did.  he pretty much tells us he sold out, fucking great!

also his talk on godfather part 3 is very candid, i get sick of the "wow, this shot is great" or "(such and such actor) is a genius, look at him/her in this scene".  francis' commentaries are truly a breath of fresh air.

-sl-

sorry i think i remember talking about this a while back, can't remember if it was posted on this site or not.
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