I've never seen The Shining.
I've never seen either Rocky or Rambo even though I really liked the new Rocky Balboa and that modern Rambo.
I've never seen Dogville or any Lars Von Trier for that matter.
I've seen 65 minutes of Boogie Nights and turned it off.
Never seen a single frame of The Shawshank Redemption (wtf?!)
I don't think I've ever seen Pulp Fiction, not sure though might've been really, really wasted.
Never seen It's A Wonderful Life and I have a huge poster of it in my living room. Same thing for Bullit.
Turned off Taxi Driver, thought it was boring.
That's about the worst of it... sorry guys.
I haven't seen most movies.
but currently two friends are giving me a lot of shit - one for never seeing the godfather trilogy and the other for slumdog millionaire.
this thread will change the way we see everyone! already i'm speechless.
what a way to kick it off, pas, i have to wonder why have you been posting here all these years?? :shock:
and pete! slumdog is shit but the godfather (the FIRST ONE, at least) is essential viewing.
i would ban you all, but then i've never seen Casablanca.
or as i like to think of it "who the hell cares about this movie anymore, seriously, other than Brian Atene?"
Gone with the Wind. I guess it's owing to a childhood aversion to romance movies, and I haven't yet corrected the matter as an adult.
I've never seen Slumdog either, and I'm not really embarrassed about it, but maybe I would be if I saw it and really liked it. The same with these movies: The Lives of Others, The Pianist, Das Boot, Life is Beautiful, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Gandhi, Patton. All movies I assume aren't as good as their reputations imply.
Quote from: P on April 28, 2010, 12:35:00 PM
what a way to kick it off, pas, i have to wonder why have you been posting here all these years?? :shock:
Haha well you have to remember that you guys got here via PTA, whereas I got here by searching "how to steal dvds" on google.
godfather two is just as essential, if not more so.
when i first saw taxi driver when i was 17 i felt the same way pas, i've gone back to it a few times. the first being early in my twenties and i drastically changed my perspective. i still think it is an overrated film. it's a great movie, just not a masterpiece.
rambo "the first blood" is great, but if you like the modern incarnation then you probably won't like it. it's like the taxi driver version of rambo lol. it really is.
meh rocky you can pass over, it doesn't age well.
you should be shot and publicly raped for not seeing the shining.
Yes, The Godfather...wow pete...I don't know if I should envy you actually, because you still can watch the godfather for the first time, which you should be doing like, right now. it may not be the best film in the history of cinema, but it kicks some major ass. number 2 is the same.
Gone with the Wind is no romance movie (!!)...
I don't know if i'd be embarrassed to admit anything now, but i guess I feel bad I've never seen many of the Chaplin classics like The Gold Rush or the complete The kid...I haven't seen any complete Buster Keaton, never seen Griffith's Intolerance or any other Griffith except Birth of a Nation for that matter (except parts here and there)....
oh and P go see casablanca. I was like you for many years just nothing really pulling me to see it. i thought it was what it was. it wasn't till after it was over i realized how magical it was. it's just kinda flawless. about 7 years ago i saw it casually... so one night if you're chilling with some arty chicks, throw it on. it's the perfect movie to watch with girls and if you're having a generally content night. i think i saw it perfectly for that reason.
to each his own, but it's that kinda movie for me.
i haven't seen ben hur or lawrence of arabia in entirety.
Quote from: Alexandro on April 28, 2010, 01:07:22 PM
Gone with the Wind is no romance movie (!!)...
No shit? I always thought it was, and then I really thought it was when that AFI list came out, remember, and people were saying "Well look here, the three greatest movies of all time are all about love: Citizen Kane (sentimental), Godfather (family), Gone with the Wind (romantic)."
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never seen Griffith's Intolerance or any other Griffith except Birth of a Nation for that matter (except parts here and there)....
I'm sure you can find your own way with Chaplin and Keaton; with Griffith I recommend next either his Biograph shorts or Orphans of the Storm.
Quote from: socketlevel on April 28, 2010, 01:12:59 PM
oh and P go see casablanca. ... it's just kinda flawless
Agreed. It's the peak of moviemagic (though I've never seen Gone with the Wind).
I've never seen a black and white movie.
Yes. casablanca is awesome but has no "cool" cred because it's a square classic or something, but really, a lot of 40's movies are incredible like that without stop being completely uncool.
I guess the romantic tag on Gone with the Wind is there so it can be categorized somewhere...but it's actually a "portrait of the south during the civil war"...as a romance it's pretty frustrating...
Lawrence of Arabia is a magnificent thing, I'm eagerly awaiting a blu ray.
taxi driver was boring to me when I saw it at 14...also revisited in my 20's and though it was incredible. one of the best, scariest films around. and de niro is DE NIRO in it.
Quote from: Captain of Industry on April 28, 2010, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: Alexandro on April 28, 2010, 01:07:22 PM
Gone with the Wind is no romance movie (!!)...
No shit? I always thought it was, and then I really thought it was when that AFI list came out, remember, and people were saying "Well look here, the three greatest movies of all time are all about love: Citizen Kane (sentimental), Godfather (family), Gone with the Wind (romantic)."
Fact checked myself. Gone with the Wind is #4 and the romantic film was Casablanca. My bad.
Not only have I never seen GwtW, but I apparently know absolutely nothing about it.
We're going to be the laughing stock of the nerdy underground film circle of the internets.
I haven't seen the following movies from the AFI Top 100 list: Gone with the Wind, Bridge on the River Kwai, Some Like it Hot, Best Years of Our Lives, West Side Story, Butch Cassidy, From Here to Eternity, All Quiet on the Western Front, Sound of Music, MASH, Tootsie, Manchurian Candidate, An American in Paris, Shane, Ben-Hur, Wuthering Heights, Giant, Mutiny on the Bounty, Patton, Jazz Singer, My Fair Lady, A Place in the Sun, Unforgiven, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Yankee Doodle Dandy.
Additions to 2008 list I haven't seen: Cabaret, In the Heat of the Night, Swing Time, Sophie's Choice.
I feel horrible about myself.
Quote from: Captain of Industry on April 28, 2010, 01:33:30 PM
I haven't seen the following movies from the AFI Top 100 list: Gone with the Wind, Bridge on the River Kwai, Some Like it Hot, Best Years of Our Lives, West Side Story, Butch Cassidy, From Here to Eternity, All Quiet on the Western Front, Sound of Music, MASH, Tootsie, Manchurian Candidate, An American in Paris, Shane, Ben-Hur, Wuthering Heights, Giant, Mutiny on the Bounty, Patton, Jazz Singer, My Fair Lady, A Place in the Sun, Unforgiven, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Yankee Doodle Dandy.
Additions to 2008 list I haven't seen: Cabaret, In the Heat of the Night, Swing Time, Sophie's Choice.
Come on dammit, I named really shameful stuff like Pulp Fiction and Taxi Driver or weird stuff everybody's seen like Shawshank and you reveal your deep shame of not having seen fucking Tootsie.
Name Xixax-classics (or really terrible things like not having seen the fucking Godfather (what the hell Pete?!) or Casablanca (it's pretty damn good, P!))
Pas, you really haven't seen all of Boogie Nights?
dude of that list... run to the video store right now and get manchurian candidate and unforgiven. while you're there get the manchurian remake too.
oh and tootsie is great mofo
Quote from: Stefen on April 28, 2010, 01:39:05 PM
Pas, you really haven't seen all of Boogie Nights?
In the middle I said to my gf: wanna watch TV instead and she replied: ''hell yeah.''
We must be stupid :shock:
i've never seen The Birth of a Nation, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ben-Hur, Mutiny on the Bounty, The Jazz Singer, Yankee Doodle Dandy, Intolerance, Cabaret, Sophie's Choice*, The Red Shoes, Gandhi, An Affair to Remember, The Kid, The Battleship Potemkin, or anything by Satyajit Ray, Krzysztof Kieslowski or John Cassavetes.
i've seen 5 Lars Von Trier movies but haven't liked a single one. I've seen 7(!) Jim Jarmusch movies but haven't liked a single one either.
but seriously Pas, yours are really embarrassing.
*Actually, Netflix reminds me that I actually did see Sophie's Choice. I just forgot about it.
i just saw love streams and i've come to the conclusion i don't like robert altman or john casavettes work nearly as much as other people. their attempt to make something free flowing and sloppy/realistic often comes across cartoonish and amateur.
How necessary do you think watching all these supposed great movies really is? I mean, even if we haven't seen them, we still know of them, know what they're about, know who did them, usually know how they end.
I think we had this conversation somewhere before in regards to Rocky. I've never seen Rocky, but do I really need to see it? I know everything about it. Who made it, who stars, what it's about, the climax, etc.
Quote from: Stefen on April 28, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
How necessary do you think watching all these supposed great movies really is?
Totally agree about the old supposed classics of the AFI list. I'm sure I'll die without seeing Gandhi and I'll never think twice about it. I'd rather read his wikipedia entry, 3 hours saved right there. I'd rather see some weird shit like The World's Greatest Sinner that nobody ever talks about and is really something else.
The only reason I'm embarassed of not having seen "It's a wonderful life" is because I have such a huge poster of it. But I know all about it so I can't imagine myself wanting to see it.
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 28, 2010, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: Captain of Industry on April 28, 2010, 01:33:30 PM
I haven't seen the following movies from the AFI Top 100 list: Gone with the Wind, Bridge on the River Kwai, Some Like it Hot, Best Years of Our Lives, West Side Story, Butch Cassidy, From Here to Eternity, All Quiet on the Western Front, Sound of Music, MASH, Tootsie, Manchurian Candidate, An American in Paris, Shane, Ben-Hur, Wuthering Heights, Giant, Mutiny on the Bounty, Patton, Jazz Singer, My Fair Lady, A Place in the Sun, Unforgiven, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Yankee Doodle Dandy.
Additions to 2008 list I haven't seen: Cabaret, In the Heat of the Night, Swing Time, Sophie's Choice.
Come on dammit, I named really shameful stuff like Pulp Fiction and Taxi Driver or weird stuff everybody's seen like Shawshank and you reveal your deep shame of not having seen fucking Tootsie.
Name Xixax-classics (or really terrible things like not having seen the fucking Godfather (what the hell Pete?!) or Casablanca (it's pretty damn good, P!))
Haha. "Fucking Tootsie" should be a banner.
Quote from: Stefen on April 28, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
How necessary do you think watching all these supposed great movies really is? I mean, even if we haven't seen them, we still know of them, know what they're about, know who did them, usually know how they end.
Apparently not very. After years of hearing about Sophie's Choice from my mom (amongst other sources) I guess I finally watched it like 2 years ago but forgot about it when I was making this list. When I saw my Netflix rating on the film I vaguely remembered it being not as depressing as the version I'd heard about for years. My brain just pushed the actual movie out and put the memory of what it might have been like back in it's place.
Well, Gandhi is no big deal but Kingsley is great in it. And DDL has a small part in it too. I guess what Im getting at is that you watch a film because something attracts you to it, not because is on the fucking AFI list or because it won oscars, that is unless you are 13. Tootsie has Dustin Hoffman in one of his very good jobs AND Bill Murray...and so on...
Pas...It's hard to top you at this moment...that's some insane misses you have there. Boogie Nights?? The Shinning? Come on man, you're putting us on with those two!!
Quote from: Alexandro on April 28, 2010, 02:01:33 PM
Pas...It's hard to top you at this moment...that's some insane misses you have there. Boogie Nights?? The Shinning? Come on man, you're putting us on with those two!!
Haha I'm still hiding some. Really bad ones, too.
Quote from: Alexandro on April 28, 2010, 02:01:33 PM
Well, Gandhi is no big deal but Kingsley is great in it. And DDL has a small part in it too. I guess what Im getting at is that you watch a film because something attracts you to it, not because is on the fucking AFI list or because it won oscars, that is unless you are 13. Tootsie has Dustin Hoffman in one of his very good jobs AND Bill Murray...and so on...
Sure, sure, but when I browse the list I start to wonder why I haven't been directed towards some of these films in other ways, you know? Fucking Tootsie just doesn't come up in my day-to-day too much, for whatever reason.
Quote from: Stefen on April 28, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
How necessary do you think watching all these supposed great movies really is? I mean, even if we haven't seen them, we still know of them, know what they're about, know who did them, usually know how they end.
I think we had this conversation somewhere before in regards to Rocky. I've never seen Rocky, but do I really need to see it? I know everything about it. Who made it, who stars, what it's about, the climax, etc.
this is idiotic. You don't know shit about Rocky until you've seen it. And that goes for an any movie. Rocky is great by the way. You will dig it. Also P just watch Casablaca for fuck sake it's amazing. And Pas if you don't love Pulp Fiction I will eat my shoe. I've seen pretty much all the legit american "classics" and have rarely regretted it. The only really obvious movies I can think of that I still have't seen are Slumdog an Return of the King. There are a bunch of foreign films I still need to catch up with like Tokyo Story, Ordet, Ugetsu, Apu Trilogy, but I don't think I have any real deal embarrassments like y'all are throwing around.
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 02:16:27 PM
Quote from: Stefen on April 28, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
How necessary do you think watching all these supposed great movies really is? I mean, even if we haven't seen them, we still know of them, know what they're about, know who did them, usually know how they end.
I think we had this conversation somewhere before in regards to Rocky. I've never seen Rocky, but do I really need to see it? I know everything about it. Who made it, who stars, what it's about, the climax, etc.
this is idiotic. You don't know shit about Rocky until you've seen it. And that goes for an any movie. Rocky is great by the way. You will dig it. Also P just watch Casablaca for fuck sake it's amazing. And Pas if you don't love Pulp Fiction I will eat my shoe. I've seen pretty much all the legit american "classics" and have rarely regretted it. The only really obvious movies I can think of that I still have't seen are Slumdog an Return of the King. There are a bunch of foreign films I still need to catch up with like Tokyo Story, Ordet, Ugetsu, Apu Trilogy, but I don't think I have any real deal embarrassments like y'all are throwing around.
Hey man, we're having a good time here, and I really don't want to put on my serious hat and call out your bullshit pretentious ethnocentric hypocrisy here. I say keep walking.
I don't get it
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 02:16:27 PM
but I don't think I have any real deal embarrassments like y'all are throwing around.
The real embarrassment is your Top 4 of the decade! oh snap!
dude you turned off Boogie Nights
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 02:28:23 PM
dude you turned off Boogie Nights
Dammit I now live in a glass house!
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 02:24:47 PM
I don't get it
Keep walking? It means there's going to be trouble if you stick around. But maybe you're a trouble-rouser, I don't know. Anyway don't call people idiotic, imply shame over not having seen all 'legit' American classics, say you have no shame yourself, and also provide a list of in my mind essential foreign films that you haven't seen yourself. You're just being thorny.
Regarding cinema is hard no to be "ethnocentric", meaning american cinema first everything else later. So I think what New Felling is sayin is that the usual is, you catch on the standard american AFI bla bla classics first and then as time passes you start expanding into heavy shit like Ordet (which I just first saw like 2 months ago).
About catching on spontaneously with things like Tootsie or Gandhi...well...it depends on the person I guess. I used to like watching every film I could of certain actors...like Dustin Hoffman or you know, Meryl Streep...I saw every damn thing Steve Buscemi ever did, including some wildly horrible crap, but it was something I liked to do back then with friends.
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 28, 2010, 02:32:12 PM
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 02:28:23 PM
dude you turned off Boogie Nights
Dammit I now live in a glass house!
hahaha!
i hope new feeling gets
that. your other post was hilarious too.
seriously this is a fun thread, no need to get all serious or call someone idiotic for no goddamn reason. i think stefen had a good point, he was talking about how even for Pete to watch the godfather right now it won't be that great cos he already knows everything that happens. just from watching the simpsons you would already know every major line, character arc, and the climax. part of the thrill of watching those classics must've been seeing new genres develop or perfected, now we see them as tame by comparison to their offspring. it's a good point and not idiotic at all.
Quote from: Alexandro on April 28, 2010, 02:39:12 PM
I saw every damn thing Steve Buscemi ever did, including some wildly horrible crap, but it was something I liked to do back then with friends.
Including Kiss Daddy Goodnight? My friends and I used to pass that film around as sort of so-bad-it-might-kill-you movie, a la The Ring. It's unwatchable.
Fine I'll go.
::deep breath::
I've never seen Star Wars! I mean, I did see 20 minutes of New Hope on TV once, but that was it.
Make fun of me at your leisure, but get too nasty and I will ban a bitch.
OH MY GOD.
thank you for bringing the game the fuck UP.
pas i think you'll have to ready those remaining embarrassments.. your glass house just got a little sturdier. this won't do!
Never seen Star Wars?! Now that is just fuckin weird :shock:
I don't know if I'm ready to confess about the other shit... it's really awful, but Star Wars is kind of a gamechanger.
I've never seen The Good, The Bad & The Ugly; my dad keeps reminding me about it....
or Close Encounters of the Third Kind
those are the most immediate examples I can think of, but there are so many more.
Yes i saw that one, kiss daddy...didn't remember until now!!! But the one that will always stay in my brain as huge example of badness is VIBES, with cindy lauper and jeff goldblum...buscemi was lauper's lawyer or something.
I saw the first star wars complete until I was 13, never liked it.
Quote from: Captain of Industry on April 28, 2010, 02:37:07 PM
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 02:24:47 PM
I don't get it
Keep walking? It means there's going to be trouble if you stick around. But maybe you're a trouble-rouser, I don't know. Anyway don't call people idiotic, imply shame over not having seen all 'legit' American classics, say you have no shame yourself, and also provide a list of in my mind essential foreign films that you haven't seen yourself. You're just being thorny.
What kinda trouble should I be avoiding here? You going to kick my ass or something? I'm not looking for trouble I just think what Stephan said was idiotic, not that I think he's an idiot necessarily. In fact I love him unconditionally if that makes you feel better. I thought this whole thread was about implying shame at not having seen certain movies, so I don't know what I did wrong there. Doesn't embarrassment correlate to shame? The main reason I don't have any shame is because I legitimately want to see all of these movies and don't think I can judge a well-respected movie by it's cover, so to speak. The reason I didn't think those world cinema classics really fit the theme of the thread is because I assume a very small percentage of boarders has seen any of them, not that they are any less legit films. There are a zillion great obscure films I still want to see but I don't think that's what this thread is about.
And P I think you are completely off base in what you're saying about the Godfather. I could watch that shit today and be completely amazed at how good it is despite having seen it at least a dozen times. Surprises are good and all but most great movies are just as good, if not better, the second time. At least that's my experience. Sure part of the thrill of anything is watching new genres develop and all that, but that can be done, more clearly even, in retrospect. While I love seeing a movie on opening day as much as anyone, I don't think any good film's power diminishes much over time, that's basically the mark of quality as far as I'm concerned. And no amount of pop-culture references can ruin the surprise of seeing a beautiful work of art in all it's glory.
keep on truckin'
it's obvious I think. just because you believe you KNOW everything about a supposed classic doesn't mean you know shit. the only way to find out is to see the movie...
obviously.
i mean only that the IMPRESSION someone can get is that they've been exposed to a classic film so much in soundbites and cliched rip-offs that it's easy to lose interest in bothering to see the original thing. NOT that the film will suck just cos it's been copied. this isn't even a very controversial statement to make, it's the same with really popular books that no one has actually read.
no need to lose your shit over it or anything. it's not like i said i havn't seen STAR WARS.. i mean really, that loosens my bowels!
New Feeling: As I've stated elsewhere, foreign and obscure don't mean the same thing to me, not at all. You haven't seen some really important and major world films and to me that's as embarrassing as Pas Rap not having seen Pulp Fiction. Why wouldn't it be?
But I see now you were just playing around in your own way.
Yeah sorry P I guess I really lost my shit there. We all know you'd never do a thing like that.
you did say "it won't be that great", what am I supposed to understand by that? I'm pretty sure you just made a totally different point in your two posts and are trying to pass them off as the same. Pretty weak. Also most really popular classic book that "no one" has read are pretty fucking good in my experience. I guess I'm just a guy who's interested in the things that everyone is supposed to know about for some crazy reason, like I don't know, because that means it's probably good and I like good stuff.
Also, It's A Wonderful Life is the greatest. Do yourself a favour and check it out Pas. No amount of foreknowledge could spoil the many pleasures of that movie.
Now in honor of this thread I'm going to try to settle in for my first 5-movie-day in a long ass time. All of which will be new to me. Wish me luck fellas.
I'm going to beat all of you.
I've never seen in its entirety 2001: ASO. part yeah but never the complete film, why you ask? I refuse to see it on the small screen, I want to see it on the big screen.
Never seen the following:
- anything by Kurosawa
- Hard 8
- anything by John Ford
- anything by Godard (boredard), actually started to watch alphaville, contempt and breathless and all those three times fell asleep.
- also fell asleep with wild strawberries. but this one I want to see it eventually.
like pas i have way more.
oh, also never seen anything by :shock:
Quote from: P on April 28, 2010, 03:42:25 PM
no need to lose your shit over it or anything. it's not like i said i havn't seen STAR WARS.. i mean really, that loosens my bowels!
Haha no wonder I think TV is better than film!
But honestly I'd argue not seeing Godfather is worse. Actually, turning Boogie Nights off half-way through might be the worstest.
I would definitely recommend Godfather to someone before Star Wars or Boogie Nights, and Boogie Nights before Star Wars.
I think that one's unusual (Star Wars) because of how ubiquitous it is, not because of the quality of the fillm. Though I'm not much of a Star Wars guy.
Quote from: Fernando on April 28, 2010, 03:52:59 PM
- anything by Godard (boredard), actually started to watch alphaville, contempt and breathless and all those three times fell asleep.
this makes me cry (just a little). Please try Vivre sa vie, Bande à part or even Une Femme est une femme. Please!!
Quote from: Captain of Industry on April 28, 2010, 03:45:56 PM
New Feeling: As I've stated elsewhere, foreign and obscure don't mean the same thing to me, not at all. You haven't seen some really important and major world films and to me that's as embarrassing as Pas Rap not having seen Pulp Fiction. Why wouldn't it be?
But I see now you were just playing around in your own way.
In most of the world non-hollywood equals obscure, even in the film's native countries. And the films I listed, while extremely well regarded, are not films that people necessarily expect others to have seen. I thought that was the context of this thread.
And as I've tried to explain I think the only thing embarrassing about any of this stuff is listing something that a lot of people love and acting like you don't care if you see it. I'm sure those films I mentioned are all amazing so I don't know what your problem is.
It's like, I can't wait to see the last 5 or 6 fassbinder films I need to catch up with but I just don't think they fit into the context of this thread. Dig? Star Wars and Casablanca are good examples, Ordet and Ugetsu not so much.
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 03:50:03 PM
Yeah sorry P I guess I really lost my shit there. We all know you'd never do a thing like that.
you look like a psycho right now cos it's obvious my last sentence was a joke. see cbrad's post above, he's not a nutcase so he got that it was a joke, like mostly everything else posted here. except for your party pooping, of course.
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 03:50:03 PM
you did say "it won't be that great", what am I supposed to understand by that? I'm pretty sure you just made a totally different point in your two posts and are trying to pass them off as the same. Pretty weak. Also most really popular classic book that "no one" has read are pretty fucking good in my experience. I guess I'm just a guy who's interested in the things that everyone is supposed to know about for some crazy reason, like I don't know, because that means it's probably good and I like good stuff.
nah man, you've totally missed my point, along with the point of this whole thread. so yeah go along now and watch your films maybe wack off a little, i dunno, kill a kitten, whatever it is that gives you joy.
a true classic will put the sound bites to shame with context and it won't feel like a running joke or derivative scene.
i think stefen's comment was such a shame cuz even though you know what it's about, you still don't know the way it was told. the pacing and cadence and characters and sets all have just as much weight as the plot or director. you know you could read the Cole's notes (cliffs notes or w/e it's called in the states) of a classic and know all that happens... but come on, it's not reading/enjoying/being in awe of the work.
and you should see Gandhi. it really is a solid film.
Quote from: Fernando on April 28, 2010, 03:52:59 PM
I'm going to beat all of you.
I've never seen in its entirety 2001: ASO. part yeah but never the complete film, why you ask? I refuse to see it on the small screen, I want to see it on the big screen.
Never seen the following:
- anything by Kurosawa
- Hard 8
- anything by John Ford
- anything by Godard (boredard), actually started to watch alphaville, contempt and breathless and all those three times fell asleep.
- also fell asleep with wild strawberries. but this one I want to see it eventually.
like pas i have way more.
oh, also never seen anything by :shock:
I want to organize soon a 2001 showing in the medium sized screen of the store where I work at...blu ray, it will look and sound awesome. You are invited if you like...that's the best you will find in this country regarding watching 2001 on the big screen.
Godard has always bored me too. I've seen Breathless, Contempt, Une femme est un femme, and a bunch of others, and it seems there's something about his stuff that rubs me the wrong way.
sorry I'm not a joker just a sincere guy. And no I don't see the joke in Captain telling me to keep walking or you comedically suggesting that I was losing my shit. I'm just talking here.
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 04:01:41 PM
Quote from: Captain of Industry on April 28, 2010, 03:45:56 PM
New Feeling: As I've stated elsewhere, foreign and obscure don't mean the same thing to me, not at all. You haven't seen some really important and major world films and to me that's as embarrassing as Pas Rap not having seen Pulp Fiction. Why wouldn't it be?
But I see now you were just playing around in your own way.
In most of the world non-hollywood equals obscure, even in the film's native countries. And the films I listed, while extremely well regarded, are not films that people necessarily expect others to have seen. I thought that was the context of this thread.
And as I've tried to explain I think the only thing embarrassing about any of this stuff is listing something that a lot of people love and acting like you don't care if you see it. I'm sure those films I mentioned are all amazing so I don't know what your problem is.
It's like, I can't wait to see the last 5 or 6 fassbinder films I need to catch up with but I just don't think they fit into the context of this thread. Dig? Star Wars and Casablanca are good examples, Ordet and Ugetsu not so much.
If you're saying the parameters of this thread are elastic, I agree. If you're saying anyone is expected to have seen even a single movie, I disagree. And since no one really has to see any movie to become a better person, to me it's about the weight of the films, as the Star Wars/Godfather conversation is in the midst of discussing. Ordet and Ugestu are fundamental movies, and the absence of them from your experience is comparable to the absence of Pulp Fiction or any other milestone movie. Other people are listing foreign films in this thread. The context of this thread is films you think you should have seen but haven't. Your omissions are as embarrassing as anyone else's.
Quote from: Alexandro on April 28, 2010, 04:10:09 PM
Godard has always bored me too. I've seen Breathless, Contempt, Une femme est un femme, and a bunch of others, and it seems there's something about his stuff that rubs me the wrong way.
highly recommend checking out Weekend if you haven't. and of course Vivre sa Vie. They seem like the two best entry points for Godard to me.
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 04:12:00 PM
sorry I'm not a joker just a sincere guy. And no I don't see the joke in Captain telling me to keep walking or you comedically suggesting that I was losing my shit. I'm just talking here.
Well see it's your sincerity that's offensive. You really think people should feel shame, but that isn't actually the purpose of the thread.
Quote from: Alexandro on April 28, 2010, 04:10:09 PM
I want to organize soon a 2001 showing in the medium sized screen of the store where I work at...blu ray, it will look and sound awesome. You are invited if you like...that's the best you will find in this country regarding watching 2001 on the big screen.
great! please let know and ill go for sure.
although its from last year, im holding my viewing of where the wild things are for the same reason, im hoping it gets here eventually.
edit: 5 pages in a few hours!!! now days only a new pta film does that.
everyone, everyone.. i just remembered something.
something i've tried to ignore for a really long time but i think now is the time to face up..
i've never seen Bambi.
The most useless criticism ever against Godard is that he is boring. Jesus, even I am not a huge fan of his and yet his filmmaking methods are essential to understand and appreciate.
Anyone who has never seen Casablanca, you're not missing much. It's a classic of public endearment only.
At first I thought this thread was a decent idea because it may humble all of us, but it's just showing our conceit in other ways.
i'm usually bored by intent (ie inland empire) over pacing (ie contempt). contempt is fucking awesome. i love what it says and how it says it. it's a cry for masculinity in europe and emasculation in america.
i don't see too much conceit.
I am genuinely ashamed to say that I have not seen any films by the following directors: Kenneth Anger, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, Derek Jarman, Abbas Kiarostami, Kenji Mizoguchi, Mikio Naruse, or Wong Kar Wai.
Edit: Anyone who hasn't seen Casablanca please do so - it's a beautiful movie, not because of its direction, but because of its screenplay and performances, which are virtually faultless. I agree with Victor Perkins: "It is no mean praise to say that Casablanca was as good as its script and cast."
Quote from: Captain of Industry on April 28, 2010, 04:16:46 PM
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 04:12:00 PM
sorry I'm not a joker just a sincere guy. And no I don't see the joke in Captain telling me to keep walking or you comedically suggesting that I was losing my shit. I'm just talking here.
Well see it's your sincerity that's offensive. You really think people should feel shame, but that isn't actually the purpose of the thread.
Seriously, where did I ever suggest that people should feel shame at anything? It seems like you're trying to make me feel shame a hell of a lot more that I've tried to make anyone else. I've encouraged people to check out the awesome movies that they mentioned, acted like every movie in this thread is probably worth seeing, and continued to express that I think the only thing anyone should be remotely ashamed about with regard to this thread is being presumptuous wrt assuming things about beloved movies they have't seen. Am I missing something?
And by the way Star Wars is amazing and just as fundamental as anything in cinema at this point.
edit: 200 posts motherfuckers! Only took 7 years
Yes well, boredom is relative and it's not a valid criticism of anything, yet it may be there. Godard is a filmmaker I can admire and understand his importance and the importance of his work. Yet the films by themselves bore me. His supposed playfulness as a filmmaker, bending and breaking conventions, his sense of humor, his bourgeois self deprecation just really cause me to feel like punching the guy in the face. I wasn't aiming at some valid criticism of godard because any like or dislike I have towards his movies is beyond an act of criticism.
Quote from: Gold Trumpet on April 28, 2010, 04:21:09 PM
The most useless criticism ever against Godard is that he is boring. Jesus, even I am not a huge fan of his and yet his filmmaking methods are essential to understand and appreciate.
edit: don't know if you're talking about what I said but here it goes.
come on its a fun thread, it's harmless if I take a little jab to godard to call him boredard, I obviously mention him because he's an important filmmaker, no way in a serious discussion I would try to belittle his work by just saying it's boring, in fact i'd never dare to do so because I haven't seen his films. I'm grateful that falcon recommended those godard titles and will try to check them out.
anyway, this fun thread is about:
pas being shineless
p never been into the white house
me living in the 20th century
cbrad being far far away of his mind
macguffin haven't seen the matrix this week
Quote from: P on April 28, 2010, 04:20:27 PM
everyone, everyone.. i just remembered something.
something i've tried to ignore for a really long time but i think now is the time to face up..
i've never seen Bambi.
Bambi is great but the one form that era that really holds up incredibly is Dumbo.
Quote from: Fernando on April 28, 2010, 03:52:59 PM
I'm going to beat all of you.
I've never seen in its entirety 2001: ASO. part yeah but never the complete film, why you ask? I refuse to see it on the small screen, I want to see it on the big screen.
Similar to me. I checked out
2001 on VHS several years ago. Tried watching it while doing some calculus homework. Not too bright. Turned it off about halfway through, been waiting to revisit it on Blu Ray on a decent screen.
Haven't seen
Jaws, or
LotR: Return of the King (first two sucked, so why bother).
I think that's why I haven't seen
Episode VI -- IV and V were so BORING.
From the 2004 Dekapenticon:
Vertigo,
Seven Samurai,
400 Blows. (I have seen Rope, Ran, and a couple other keys from each Hitchcock and Kurosawa, but I haven't seen ANY Truffaut).
Looking at IMDb top 250, haven't seen:
Good/Bad/Ugly, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, The Dark Knight, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Once Upon a Time in the West. I'm sure Sight and Sound or some other prestige list is a better barometer. My world view won't be chanced by Batman's latest adventure. Still, one day I'd like to be able to say I've seen the majority of 'em.
I've never seen any
Jarmusch Cassavettes except for Killing of a Chinese Bookie (part of it) when it was sent to me incorrectly by Netflix. I often get Jarmusch and Cassavettes confused. I don't think I've seen any Cassavettes either. I just finished reading Spike Mike Reloaded. Been trying to see a lot of first films. Strangers in Paradise is on that list.
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 04:30:50 PM
Quote from: Captain of Industry on April 28, 2010, 04:16:46 PM
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 04:12:00 PM
sorry I'm not a joker just a sincere guy. And no I don't see the joke in Captain telling me to keep walking or you comedically suggesting that I was losing my shit. I'm just talking here.
Well see it's your sincerity that's offensive. You really think people should feel shame, but that isn't actually the purpose of the thread.
Seriously, where did I ever suggest that people should feel shame at anything? It seems like you're trying to make me feel shame a hell of a lot more that I've tried to make anyone else. I've encouraged people to check out the awesome movies that they mentioned, acted like every movie in this thread is probably worth seeing, and continued to express that I think the only thing anyone should be remotely ashamed about with regard to this thread is being presumptuous wrt assuming things about beloved movies they have't seen. Am I missing something?
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 02:16:27 PM
Quote from: Stefen on April 28, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
How necessary do you think watching all these supposed great movies really is? I mean, even if we haven't seen them, we still know of them, know what they're about, know who did them, usually know how they end.
I think we had this conversation somewhere before in regards to Rocky. I've never seen Rocky, but do I really need to see it? I know everything about it. Who made it, who stars, what it's about, the climax, etc.
this is idiotic. You don't know shit about Rocky until you've seen it. And that goes for an any movie. Rocky is great by the way. You will dig it. Also P just watch Casablaca for fuck sake it's amazing. And Pas if you don't love Pulp Fiction I will eat my shoe. I've seen pretty much all the legit american "classics" and have rarely regretted it. The only really obvious movies I can think of that I still have't seen are Slumdog an Return of the King. There are a bunch of foreign films I still need to catch up with like Tokyo Story, Ordet, Ugetsu, Apu Trilogy,but I don't think I have any real deal embarrassments like y'all are throwing around.
Right there. I mean that's the basis for this conversation. I took exception to your exclusion of yourself from the principles of this thread ("I don't think I have any real deal embarrassments like y'all") based on an American centric point of view, that's all. You don't need to feel shame. I'm not trying to shame you. It's simply that those films count too, and others have mentioned and continue to mention foreign films.
Quote from: ono on April 28, 2010, 04:40:01 PM
I've never seen any Jarmusch Cassavettes except for Killing of a Chinese Bookie (part of it) when it was sent to me incorrectly by Netflix. I often get Jarmusch and Cassavettes confused. I don't think I've seen any Cassavettes either.
Cutie.
with this:
Quote from: Fernando on April 28, 2010, 03:52:59 PM
breathless
i did this:
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 28, 2010, 01:40:18 PM
In the middle I said to my gf: wanna watch TV instead and she replied: ''hell god yeahs.''
so mine is Godard movies for now i guess, even though i'm not embarrassed about it (in real life). ten years from now Antichrist will be on my list.
but Pasers, seriously get off xixaxixaxsx, :hammer: yourself and go double feature Shining Nights.
btw, sure wish The Master and Tree of Life threads could move as fast as this one (with valid info/posts of course)
Whenever TCM has Raging Bull on, it's always at 2:00 AM. I don't want my first time to be barely conscious or chemically enhanced. I was the lamest college student, ever.
yes it's clear from that quote that I was attempting to shame the members of this board.
for the record I was just using the term embarrassment as I thought we were using it in this thread. It was not intended as any kind of judgement. I think that was pretty clear. And it has nothing to do with their foreign nature I just think they are fairly underseen outside of academic film nerd circles, which I don't really consider this conversation to be about. If I hadn't seen Breathless or Jules et Jim or Seven Samurai or 8 1/2 or a number of other generally well known foreign films I would've mentioned them but I think those movies I mentioned are basically only known by the most dedicated cineastes. Whereas everyone here knows all about virtually all of the other movies that we've discussed in this context. When someone says they haven't seen Star Wars it's news, when someone says they haven't seen Ugetsu it's expected, I'm sure you can understand this. Perhaps I am wrong. Ok I'm done explaining this sorry I hit a nerve or something. Now I really am going to watch some movies.
good thread, sort of
come on new feel and capt'n, you guys really need to move on.
Quote from: Pozer on April 28, 2010, 04:46:02 PM
but Pasers, seriously get off xixaxixaxsx, :hammer: yourself and go double feature Shining Nights.
oh man, I'd love to be pas right now and do that for the first time.
edit: page six!
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Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 04:57:16 PM
yes it's clear from that quote that I was attempting to shame the members of this board.
for the record I was just using the term embarrassment as I thought we were using it in this thread. It was not intended as any kind of judgement. I think that was pretty clear. And it has nothing to do with their foreign nature I just think they are fairly underseen outside of academic film nerd circles, which I don't really consider this conversation to be about. If I hadn't seen Breathless or Jules et Jim or Seven Samurai or 8 1/2 or a number of other generally well known foreign films I would've mentioned them but I think those movies I mentioned are basically only known by the most dedicated cineastes. Whereas everyone here knows all about virtually all of the other movies that we've discussed in this context. When someone says they haven't seen Star Wars it's news, when someone says they haven't seen Ugetsu it's expected, I'm sure you can understand this. Perhaps I am wrong. Ok I'm done explaining this sorry I hit a nerve or something. Now I really am going to watch some movies.
good thread, sort of
I think it's clear from my post, in which I directly state that I'm not trying to shame, that I'm not trying to shame you. Check out this list:
http://www.filmdetail.com/archives/2008/11/23/cahiers-du-cinemas-100-greatest-films/
What film is above Breathless and Jules et Jim and Seven Samurai and 8 1/2? Ugetsu. Tokyo Story too. They're goddamn milestones!, and I'm no longer even a little pissed at you because I can clearly see you had good intentions and love cinema and all that, and please, walk wherever you like I was only being colloquial, but if I can't voice a little support for some truly important and potentially life changing films than what the hell are we all typing here for? See the movies! I'm embarrassed for you that you haven't seen them yet (within the context of this thread)!
In the future I'll attempt to focus my posts in order to avoid a litany of replies, because everyone else is probably as tired of us as Fernando is.
It's kinda embarrassing that I havn't seen Star Wars, Dr.Strangelove or any Lars Von Trier yet (own both Dogville and Antichrist though)
yo who here has seen ugetsu?
Quote from: New Feeling on April 28, 2010, 05:56:43 PM
yo who here has seen ugetsu?
i hav and it's amazing. i havn't seen any other mizoguchi but i have a feeling ugetsu is his EWS, it's that good.
i swear there was a mizoguchi thread around here somewhere..
Holy crap, I leave for work in the morning, and by the time I get back there's a new six-page thread.
In solidarity with Pas, I had gone 28 years of my life without having seen The Shining. I finally saw it for the first time about a month ago, after buying the blu-ray at Best Buy for 12 bucks. I've never seen Barry Lyndon, Lolita, or the first half of Eyes Wide Shut (don't hate me, P!). I've only seen one Fellini film (8 1/2), one Antonioni film (L'avventura), one Bergman film (Persona), one Truffaut film (Shoot the Piano Player), and one Von Trier film (Dancer in the Dark). I've never seen Gone With the Wind. I've never seen Raging Bull, Goodfellas, or Casino. I've never seen a Wong Kar-Wai film. The only David Lynch films I've seen were Blue Velvet, Mulholland Drive, and half of Lost Highway (don't hate me again, P!). I've seen Jaws in bits and pieces on TV throughout the years, but never the whole movie all in a row. I've never seen Psycho, Rear Window, Strangers on a Train, or Vertigo. I haven't seen Spider-Man 3, X-Men 3, or Super-Mans 2-4.
Movies that I own, but have never seen, include:
Glory
Patton
The New World
Bullitt
Synecdoche, New York
All the President's Men
Two Lovers
Persepolis
Day for Night
Epidemic
Dazed & Confused
The Diving Bell & The Butterfly
Quote from: children with angels on April 28, 2010, 04:28:14 PM
I am genuinely ashamed to say that I have not seen any films by the following directors: Kenneth Anger, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, Derek Jarman, Abbas Kiarostami, Kenji Mizoguchi, Mikio Naruse, or Wong Kar Wai.
Even though this post might not be valid unless a lot of other people here have seen movies by these filmmakers ( :wink: in reference to other conversation), I adore Anger, and if you've gone Blu my friend informs me that the region 2 Anger collection, put out by BFI, has great quality. For that matter modage mentioned Kieslowski, and my friend says the same thing about the region 2 Double Life of Veronique. I hear it's pretty easy to make a blu-ray player regionless, and I also hear that amazon.uk is reasonably priced. I haven't tried this angle yet, but in lieu of theater screenings, if you guys want to explore these filmmakers and are blu I'd envy you experiencing them in high quality first. Kiarostrami's Close-Up is soon to be released by Criterion, and that's definitely a great place to start with him. I think Jarman is aggressively experimental, even for my tastes, and so with that in mind I recommend the not at all easily accessible Edward II. It's :shock: in a lot of great ways, as most of his films are. The BRD Trilogy and Ali: Fear Eats the Soul are easy entrances into Fassbinder, which may be why Criterion released them first I don't know. Wellspring put out a ton of his movies, but Wellspring is out of business and those are OOP now. I think you can really start anywhere with Wong Kar Wai, except maybe save Ashes of Time and know As Tears Go By isn't his fully developed voice. With Mizoguchi Criterion also has two great releases, and I actually love them equally. I've never even heard of Mikio Naruse! I'll definitely check him out, and if you're going to soon as well let me know and we should watch the same one. Oh wait I see only When a Woman Ascends the Stairs is on dvd (right?), so if you're going to watch it let me know and I'll watch it too.
I didn't want to leave your post hanging, although you may have already guessed the basic recommendations I'm supplying here.
never seen:
gone with the wind
lawrence of arabia or any david lean
the searchers or any john ford
the good, the bad & the ugly
the shawshank redemption
any lord of the rings
any hawks, cassavetes, kurosawa, kazan, peckinpah, von trier
turned off halfway through:
ordinary people
the right stuff
the cook, the thief, his wife & her lover
serpico
the thin red line
didn't care much for 8 1/2, persona, dr. strangelove, harold and maude, blow up
by the way, i love cinema.
I actually recently got some Anger, Fassbinder and Jarman that I haven't got round to watching yet (on vhs, free from the BFI when they were dumping all their videos a while back!), so for convenience's sake I'll likely start with them. (And I'm afraid I've not 'gone blu'!)
The Anger collection includes Fireworks, Puce Moment and Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome, the Jarman is Glitterbug, and the Fassbinder is Chinese Roulette. I definitely want to see Ali: Fear Eats the Soul too for the All That Heaven Allows / Far From Heaven connection. I've also got Wong Kar Wai's In the Mood for Love. The only excuse I have for not having not seen all these yet is that I'm close to the end of my phd thesis and feel obligated to watch only films relevant to that at the moment! It's not a good reason though really.
I've heard so many great things about Close Up that I think that's definitely where I'll start with Kiarostami.
Quote from: Captain of Industry on April 28, 2010, 06:55:51 PM
I've never even heard of Mikio Naruse!
Naruse has recently been raved about from various corners in the UK due to a BFI retrospective last year, so I feel obligated to check him out at some point. I'll definitely post my thoughts if and when I get round to watching any of these.
Wow. Shame on us. 6 hours for this to go 6 pages...
There are lots of films I should have seen but didn't until my uni years where I made up for that. None off the top of my head that I can think of now other than the Alien films. I have the DVD boxset, and I've watched the first one. Other than that, I guess there are some classic 70s movies I've yet to get to. More Scorsese than I care to admit. Taxi Driver is the big one. Never completed Raging Bull, but I've bumped it back up the netflix. The Conversation. Some Warren Beatty flicks... I haven't seen any of the Rocky movies. But I've read the screenplay for the first one. And worked out to the soundtrack to Rocky 2. And I was far too old when I saw Star Wars for the first time. Godfathers too. Really didn't get into 8 1/2.
To those who haven't gotten into Godard or Lynch please try again. Jerome: How could you not like Harold and Maude? New Feeling: Welcome to Xixax. We're tough on each other. It's okay to bit a little embarrassed every now and then. Don't take the put-downs personally. We still love you.
Quote from: children with angels on April 28, 2010, 07:44:05 PM
I actually recently got some Anger, Fassbinder and Jarman that I haven't got round to watching yet (on vhs, free from the BFI when they were dumping all their videos a while back!), so for convenience's sake I'll likely start with them. (And I'm afraid I've not 'gone blu'!)
The Anger collection includes Fireworks, Puce Moment and Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome, the Jarman is Glitterbug, and the Fassbinder is Chinese Roulette. I definitely want to see Ali: Fear Eats the Soul too for the All That Heaven Allows / Far From Heaven connection. I've also got Wong Kar Wai's In the Mood for Love. The only excuse I have for not having not seen all these yet is that I'm close to the end of my phd thesis and feel obligated to watch only films relevant to that at the moment! It's not a good reason though really.
Are you across the ocean? If so I envy your superior selection of blu-rays, and wish you a future upgrade yourself. But, maybe you're the type to find a vhs romantic. I'm the type too. It's the variety of viewing experiences that's such a treasure. I have a cult film fiend of a friend who likes to show me movies like The Legend of Boggy Creek, in his apartment on his older tv with all the lights on while we eat cookies and there's really no emphasis on the movie experience. It's exactly the opposite of my apartment's denlike set-up, where the whole living room is arranged around the television and the blinds are always closed (alas, this makes my apartment unsuitable for party arrangements). Maybe you have them for convenience sake, or for pecuniary sake, anyway I'm becoming sidetracked: I intended to say, if you can, although I'm sure you're terribly busy, the 20 mins required to view Anger's Fireworks are so rewarding, inspiring, illuminating, etc positive adjs, that I want to urge you to take those 20 mins in order to watch the film. 20 minutes, that's it, that's all that's required to watch the film of a then-17 year old Hollywood High student. A film of visual specificity and emotional abstraction, blurred car lights in the evening streets, flaming Christmas trees, romantic sailor figures, and Kenneth Anger, in the middle of it all, conducting a visual orchestra of his subconscious. You'll either like the film and watch it a million times, or some other tepid alternative, so why not take the plunge? Take the plunge!
Okay, you've convinced me on Fireworks - I'll check that out very soon. I am indeed in the UK. And the vhs thing is for a number of reasons: not wanting to replace every video I ever bought is one, convenience for showing clips in lectures and conferences is another. I've got plenty of dvds too of course, in case I'm coming across as some total nostalgia nutjob. Like you, I've got my dvd den, but I also have my vhs den.
EDIT: I just remembered - of course my ultimate embarrassing cinephile confession, made in another thread, is that I STILL haven't seen House Party!
Maybe I turned off Boogie Nights halfway through but at least I just started the best thread of the year amirite :yabbse-thumbup:
Thanks Polka for the Shining comfort.
Jerome you got some pretty good classic stuff in there! No Peckinpah and Kurosawa is pretty evil.
also, really funny the people who go: ''look, really sorry... like, I don't want to say it but... I've never seen any film from Gloder Van Vorkenson... yikes!''
...... guys.........
fuck this is just unforgivable.......
ah shit I'm sorry ok I know I talked shit about these films and I know I pretended I saw them ok.
I've never finished a Quentin Tarantino movie. I started Jackie Brown I think. The rest I just talked about by reading IMDB. I just hate Tarantino ok!
So yeah... pretty awful I guess :yabbse-undecided:
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 28, 2010, 09:17:22 PM
Maybe I turned Boogie Nights halfway through but at least I just started the best thread of the year amirite :yabbse-thumbup:
I've never finished a Quentin Tarantino movie. I started Jackie Brown I think.
So yeah... wow I'm pretty awful right
So, how did all those criticisms manifest?
Films i've never seen.
Barton Fink
Seven Samari (but i own the criterion post war collection from Kurosawa and have watched all them)
Never watched any of the Lord of the Rings
Unforgiven
Sunset Boulevard
Mean Streets
I'm not sure if i've watched a Cassevettes film.
Lolita
Not sure if I've watched a Malick film, God, no wonder i'm not liked around here.
Oh and, Easy rider. Fuck.
Shit I came back to delete my post and you already quoted it! God damn you, wonderful thread!
Quote from: Stefen on April 28, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
How necessary do you think watching all these supposed great movies really is? I mean, even if we haven't seen them, we still know of them, know what they're about, know who did them, usually know how they end.
I think we had this conversation somewhere before in regards to Rocky. I've never seen Rocky, but do I really need to see it? I know everything about it. Who made it, who stars, what it's about, the climax, etc.
I ate in a really great restaurant yesterday. I ordered the free bread and water, but I ate there.
who was it that was talking about the pretentious shit? I'm having Deja Vu.
DO YOU NEED TO stefen? No.
Do you know everything about the film? Well, I'm not sure that's the point in watching a film. Not saying i know what the "point" is, just stating the obvious.
There's definitely a few mentioned in this thread that I also haven't seen (American movies made prior to 1950 perhaps the most egregious), but I'm mostly not worried about it. My movie-watching tendencies follow a strange path. I've found that watching certain movies out of necessity and not whim begets a lot of movies sitting around in their netflix case for far too long. Besides, for every Gone With The Wind that I haven't seen, there's an obscure title from Gloder Van Vorkenson that I have seen (Pas, his early stuff is more accesible..). I'm sure I'll get to it eventually.
That said, there's a trilogy of trilogies which I've very embarrassed to admit I've avoided. Like Cbrad, I too have never seen Star Wars. Also, Lord of the Rings. And Indiana Jones. :shock: :oops: :doh:
But I will soon! I swear..
I have owned Inland Empire ever since it debuted on DVD and still haven't watched it. I'm sure there are a lot of other titles, but I'm not thinking of good ones to list and when I look at the other lists, I'm feeling happy I have watched the great majority of them.
Quote from: Gold Trumpet on April 28, 2010, 11:33:57 PM
I have owned Inland Empire ever since it debuted on DVD and still haven't watched it. I'm sure there are a lot of other titles, but I'm not thinking of good ones to list and when I look at the other lists, I'm feeling happy I have watched the great majority of them.
Related to several conversations I've had within this thread, what do you do when you reach that point? I mean for example I can still cruise around and check out some top 100 lists or whatever and pick out titles I haven't seen, or I can skim my Netflix queue, etc, although I also know that sometimes I feel like I've seen all I really want to see. Usually that breaks through with a new title that opens doors to other titles. So, if you right now can't think of new titles, are you revisiting titles? Do you await new theatrical releases? What's your pipeline, now that you're at the point in which you've seen the great majority of the upper crust? What are your avenues for exploration?
Just curious. I can tell you've been doing your homework.
i haven't seen dr strangelove :saywhat: *
i couldn't get thru 8 1/2 :ponder: **
i didn't like thin red line :doh: ***
*** it's due for review
** or any fellini for that matter
* this is the only one i'm embarrassed about
new rule - go edit your post by listing the movies not seen in bold so we can quickly sift through six pages in the last 24 hours.
I'm gonna do it.
Quote from: Captain of Industry on April 29, 2010, 12:08:28 AM
Quote from: Gold Trumpet on April 28, 2010, 11:33:57 PM
I have owned Inland Empire ever since it debuted on DVD and still haven't watched it. I'm sure there are a lot of other titles, but I'm not thinking of good ones to list and when I look at the other lists, I'm feeling happy I have watched the great majority of them.
Related to several conversations I've had within this thread, what do you do when you reach that point? I mean for example I can still cruise around and check out some top 100 lists or whatever and pick out titles I haven't seen, or I can skim my Netflix queue, etc, although I also know that sometimes I feel like I've seen all I really want to see. Usually that breaks through with a new title that opens doors to other titles. So, if you right now can't think of new titles, are you revisiting titles? Do you await new theatrical releases? What's your pipeline, now that you're at the point in which you've seen the great majority of the upper crust? What are your avenues for exploration?
Just curious. I can tell you've been doing your homework.
It depends on what kind of filmmaking you want to explore. When I was younger and interested in older Hollywood more, I would keep my attention to DVD forums that were about classic films and had a lot of people who were fanboys of Fox's wonderful classic line which had great DVDs for cheap, like My Darling Clementine, The Ox Bow Incident, Sunrise and All About Eve. They were continually speculating on possible titles that could or should be included so I was always looking them up.
Then I transitioned to an interest in foreign cinema and started frequenting criterionforum.org along with dvdbeaver.com to see what was being released worldwide and could be heading ashore to America. I stopped visiting those sites because it took up too much time to keep up with everything so right now I am on Twitter and follow a lot of good sources from Criterion's the Auteurs, Roger Ebert, Time Out Film and other film sources. I prefer twitter because these sources update all the time with new films to discover. And usually when they mention a new film, they mention one which is going to be released soon. The forum kids like to mention things which will not be around for a while or if at all. That was frustrating.
I also like Twitter because I can also follow my political and sports sources and get a good chunk of my everyday news from one place. Forum wise, criterionforum.org is still the best place for foreign cinema news, titles and all kinds of unappreciated genre.
oh everyone always quotes wet hot american summer which I'd never seen.
most american movies before 1988 go unseen by me.
I still haven't watched a film by Jules Dassin all the way through.
I'm pretty certain I've seen all of 2001 (maybe), just never in a single viewing.... and I own three fucking copies of it.
Also, speaking of Kubrick... Killer's Kiss.
I can't get through Seven Samurai... though, I believe I'll sit down with it one day and it will fucking engross me.
The Wild Bunch
Rio Bravo
Off the top of my head, those are the ones that embarrass me.
I'm sure the ones that will embarrass me in the future are titles I didn't even realize I needed to see.... shit I'm not even familiar with yet. For instance, I have friends that are breathless in their praise of Imamura's The Eel and, while everything I've seen by Imamura so far has been exquisite, I still haven't taken two measly hours to sit down and watch the fucking film years after it was initially recommended.
The other day, someone was incredulous that I'd never seen The French Connection... which I thought seemed like an odd title to regard as seminal... but now I feel like any reaction that strong to a film like The French Connection means I have to see it immediately.
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 28, 2010, 09:17:22 PM
really funny the people who go: ''look, really sorry... like, I don't want to say it but... I've never seen any film from Gloder Van Vorkenson... yikes!''
Well, it's kind of necessarily a sliding scale based on your own perception of embarrassing, isn't it? Like, for me as someone in the world of academic film studies, not having seen certain things is probably more embarrassing than it would be for others. This is what that whole Captain/New Feeling debate was about. There aren't hard and fast rules on what constitutes embarrassing, given that the word is an emotion.
EXCEPT for never having finished Boogie Nights or a single Tarantino film, Pas! That shit's not just just embarrassing - it's weiirrd...
Quote from: children with angels on April 29, 2010, 04:30:52 AM
EXCEPT for never having finished Boogie Nights or a single Tarantino film, Pas! That shit's not just just embarrassing - it's weiirrd...
I know right? I get easily annoyed by fans in the case of QT. If all kinds of people I don't like love something I'd rather just not watch it. Started Inglorious and gave up really quickly on it (The Bear Jew part really killed me)
As for Boogie, I don't get it either.
So... I think that was it for me.
John's pretty bad too with Seven Samurai and the Wild Bunch, right?
And GT: Inland Empire..... same thing here: still haven't finished it (haven't seen past minute 5 I think) and owned it since day one.
dudes, for being supposedly in love with cinema you guys are missing A LOT of great stuff.
Time to compile an Xixax Must-See List?
Quote from: Sleepless on April 29, 2010, 07:16:58 AM
Time to compile an Xixax Must-See List?
The thing is that all these movies are already on must-see lists, thus our embarrassment!
Quote from: Alexandro on April 29, 2010, 07:07:55 AM
dudes, for being supposedly in love with cinema you guys are missing A LOT of great stuff.
Makes no sense. I'm certain people who adore and live for litterature have not read every major book. Hardcore musicians have not heard every major album.
The day I'll have no films I'm ashamed of not having seen, I'll just cry. Like, if I had seen every god damn classic except Birth of a Nation like you, I'd be devastated. Edit: just poking at you a bit, not being a dick
How about a list by consensus that we deem to be essential viewing? A short-ish list....
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You happy now, cunts?
I think it would be fun for each of us to pick our most embarrassing/essential movie we haven't seen, watch it within the next week or so, and come back here to review it. Reading reviews of Star Wars and Godfather as if they just came out could be pretty funny.
What a thread! In french we call that a "feu de paille" ... a straw-fire maybe for you?
To celebrate it's conclusion (at least the crazy part with 5 good posts a minute) i would like to make a top 3 of the worst shames:
#3 : Picolas has never seen Star Wars.
#2 : Pete has never seen any Godfather
#1 : I turned off Boogie Nights after an hour and I've been posting on a PTA board for the last 5 years
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 29, 2010, 09:45:50 AM
#3 : Picolas has never seen Star Wars.
#2 : Pete has never seen any Godfather
#1 : I turned off Boogie Nights after an hour and I've been posting on a PTA board for the last 5 years
#3 was cbrad you buffoon, he posted right above you!
this would be my list:
1. PAS hates movies.
2. polkablues reveals his shame late in the game and gets little recognition but in fact has one of the most shameful lists. i mean really.. really! this one affected me personally over and over again. i mean no wonder the dude keeps going on and on about Waking the Dead and jennifer connelly's bush (..y eyebrows), he hasn't seen anything else!
3. cbrad star wars. the dude works in advertising or commercial business or whatever.. whatever it is, i'm pretty sure star wars gets referenced on a daily basis! haha and he just sits there and repeats the lines just half a second after everyone says them like when homer is trying to sing along with smithers and the other douche from his alma mater when he's trying to work at the plant
eg.
cbrad's colleague: hey everyone! I AM YOUR FATHER
everyone but cbrad: *the imperial march unison* DUN DUN DU-DUN DUN DU-DUNNN
cbrad: Jeremys,.. Iron.. :oops:
Quote from: P on April 29, 2010, 09:57:26 AM
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 29, 2010, 09:45:50 AM
#3 : Picolas has never seen Star Wars.
#2 : Pete has never seen any Godfather
#1 : I turned off Boogie Nights after an hour and I've been posting on a PTA board for the last 5 years
#3 was cbrad you buffoon, he posted right above you!
Dammit this thread is just me showcasing my foolishness over and over.
Quote from: P on April 29, 2010, 09:57:26 AM
this would be my list:
1. PAS hates movies.
2. polkablues reveals his shame late in the game and gets little recognition but in fact has one of the most shameful lists. i mean really.. really! this one affected me personally over and over again.
I wonder why polka's list flew under the radar so much. I just looked it up and it was indeed pretty awful. Maybe it's because his terrible omissions are disguised by the fact that he names the one or two thing he's seen from great directors instead of doing the disgustingly long list of those he missed.
Quote from: P on April 29, 2010, 09:57:26 AM
3. cbrad star wars. haha the dude works in advertising or commercial business or whatever.. whatever it is, i'm pretty sure star wars gets referenced on a daily basis! haha and he just sits there and repeats the lines just half a second after everyone says them like when homer is trying to sing along with smithers and the other douche from his alma mater when he's trying to work at the plant
eg.
cbrad's colleague: hey everyone! I AM YOUR FATHER
everyone but cbrad: *the imperial march unison* DUN DUN DU-DUN DUN DU-DUNNN
cbrad: Jeremys,.. Iron.. :oops:
Too funny. Also,
Quote from: P on April 29, 2010, 09:57:26 AM
cbrad's colleague: hey everyone! I AM YOUR FATHER
This guy sounds like a real douche.
Thank you for acknowledging my shame. I tried to be as comprehensive as possible. You have to hit rock bottom before you can start your recovery.
Quote from: P on April 29, 2010, 09:57:26 AM
3. cbrad star wars. the dude works in advertising or commercial business or whatever.. whatever it is, i'm pretty sure star wars gets referenced on a daily basis! haha and he just sits there and repeats the lines just half a second after everyone says them like when homer is trying to sing along with smithers and the other douche from his alma mater when he's trying to work at the plant
eg.
cbrad's colleague: hey everyone! I AM YOUR FATHER
everyone but cbrad: *the imperial march unison* DUN DUN DU-DUN DUN DU-DUNNN
cbrad: Jeremys,.. Iron.. :oops:
Hahaha. So funny. And so so true. Sigh
You see Spaceballs kind of ruined Star Wars for me. I saw that movie like 50 times and loved it and feared I would never be able to take Star Wars seriously (but I guess most people don't?). I have been nagging myself to see it for over a decade now. Each year I'd tell myself "what are you doingggg? You better watch it soon. You call yourself a movie geek. What the fuck." I'd put it off and put it off and the years passed and I don't know, it just never happened. Kind of like the 40 year old virgin.
i would've fucking hated spaceballs without the references... like what else is there to like about it?
you watched that 50 times w/o getting any of the jokes essentially? man you're crazy.
Quote from: socketlevel on April 29, 2010, 10:43:01 AM
i would've fucking hated spaceballs without the references... like what else is there to like about it?
you watched that 50 times w/o getting any of the jokes essentially? man you're crazy.
I've read about it and seen enough parodies to understand the references. I know the plot. I know the characters. I feel like I've seen it. I just... haven't.
Quote from: socketlevel on April 29, 2010, 10:43:01 AM
i would've fucking hated spaceballs without the references... like what else is there to like about it?
you watched that 50 times w/o getting any of the jokes essentially? man you're crazy.
i saw spaceballs as a kid and didn't really care about the references. it works on a slapstick level.
depends how old you are at the time i guess but when you're watching something 50times chances are you're a happy kid or a sad grown up. only the latter would care about references.
Quote from: ©brad on April 29, 2010, 10:34:04 AM
Spaceballs kind of ruined Star Wars for me us.
haha marque!
I was 9 when spaceballs came out, so i had already seen the first two star wars religiously on 3rd 4th runs in the theatre, then on VHS like crazy. I actually saw return of the Jedi in the theatre first run. so the point is I'm old enough to to have gotten the references the first time i saw spaceballs. i actually didn't get all the jokes that weren't star wars related. as some were geared toward the older part of the audience; like the Afro pick combing or other more coded sexual jokes. i got the lightsaber cock thing though on the most basic level haha.
either way the point is from the first moment i saw it, the jokes were only as good as the source material. it was celebrating something i loved. it's not one of Mel brooks' better comedies. i just loved star wars.
side note:
now i hate star wars. Not because I'm turning my back on adolescence or being pretentiously mature, but more-so because George Lucas did. and redletter's reviews are legendary.
I was in fourth grade when episode one came out and I remember my friends and I planning to watch Stars Wars the "right" way -- one through six.. only upon the release of episode three would I watch four through six. Then I saw episode one and I was horribly confused and I remember getting sick while eating at Wendy's afterward and deciding that maybe I didn't like Star Wars that much.
In middle school, I went through a phase during which I avoided anything that wasn't "realistic" -- it was during this time that I discovered Scorsese (Goodfellas!) and The Godfathers, and basically the concept of the director. Nothing sci-fi or fantasy related for me then (which also explains why I didn't watch Indiana Jones -- too fantastic -- or Lord of the Rings -- too gay). This was a dark time.
Then, freshman year of high school we watched episode four. I was there for the first day, enjoyed it (though I still didn't totally buy into it cause it didn't take place in our world). I was sick on the second day, and decided to sleep in the back of the room on the third, because I had already missed so much.
And from then on I just became embarrassed that I hadn't seen it, and was put off by the task of watching THREE movies that I already should have watched in my formative years.
And I live with it everyday.
wow now i'm feeling like one of the oldest people here. grade 4 for episode 1?!?! then you almost just know star wars as six movies. you have no idea the anticipation for episode one. my entire childhood passed me by and 90% of my teens by the time episode 1 came out.
it is that very anticipation and subsequent destruction that makes all the passion for my star wars hatred (like so many others born at least in the early 80s)
Quote from: ©brad about star wars on April 29, 2010, 10:34:04 AM
I have been nagging myself to see it for over a decade now. Each year I'd tell myself "what are you doingggg? You better watch it soon. You call yourself a movie geek. What the fuck."
do you really want to be in the company of this
freak crowd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugk37TvIR8E)? think twice before you see it! :yabbse-grin:
I must win a place in the hall of shame, here's more:
- citizen kane
- raging bull
- alien and aliens
- treasure of sierra madre
- none peckinpah
- none ophüls :oops:
and there's plenty of classic stuff that I haven't seen from the 60's, 50's, 40's...
"The Cure For Insomnia".
i think posting here should be a prerequisite to being an official member of the board. saves a lot of time in our lives, fight-wise.
get your ban hammers ready: last week was the first time i ever watched Back to the Future.
It makes me feel so much better about myself to know there are people out there who haven't even seen Star Wars, Indiana Jones, or Back to the Future.
OK,
Ben Hur
The Bridge on the River Kwai - A gf used to bug me about this a lot
Titanic (until last month, actually liked movie a lot)
The Magnificent Ambersons - had a chance a few nights ago on TCM, but ran away when I saw print quality.
Sunrise - Own DVD and haven't watched more than twenty minutes of it. Bought a box set even to get the film.
Z - Called one of the best political films ever, own the DVD, sounds right up my alley, but naw. Actually, I'm moving out of my apartment this week and it's one of the few DVDs still left at my place so I planned to watch it before leaving. Still do.
Heaven and Earth - My only Stone shame.
Salvador - Seen parts of it for a while, but finally watched all of it a few weeks ago. Glad I did because it rocketed up as an immediate favorite Stone film, but felt bad I hadn't seen it for so long. Since it's so good, I also have been in time out from applauding it for a while. I can't come off as anything but a newbie to its charm.
Fight Club
The 400 Blows - Bought the Blu-ray on sale, but I don't have a Blu-ray player. The only Truffaut films I've seen are Jules and Jim and Day for Night.
Birth of a Nation - Tried to watch this once in high school or college, but I turned it off after about an hour
Batman (1989)
Barton Fink
Hudsucker Proxy
Raising Arizona
The Last Laugh
Grand Illusion
Anything by John Woo that isn't Broken Arrow, which I've seen far too many times
Anything by John Cassavetes
I have never seen any Kurosawa films.
..and I've never ever seen The Big Lebowski, or whatever its called.
Second part of the thread recap here... most weirdly unseen stuff by Xixaxers:
#3 : Nobody's seen Gone with the Wind apparently.
#2 : Anything by John Cassavetes came up a lot. Way too much considering he's pretty basic film-buff material. Any mid-level hipster will own you if he finds this out.
#1 : Anything by Kurosawa came up way, wayyy, too often. Some others even named Seven Samurai, which was on the fucking Deka! I accuse you, losers who vote for films by looking at IMDB Top 250!
So many people never seeing any Kurosawa or Seven Samurai is just really weird since he's pretty early criterion material, and we're all criterion freaks here aren't we. And he's not boring or anything like Godard or Cassavetes so there's really no excuse there. His movies are easy to rent or download. The whole family can like them, pretty action packed stuff. If you like Clint Eastwood's best westerns (everyone) no reason not to like them.
I've seen seven of his, while I wasn't watching Pulp. Some redemption there, I guess.
i've seen gone with the wind.
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 30, 2010, 08:44:34 AM
#3 : Nobody's seen Gone with the Wind apparently. Many Xixaxers have expressed their shame in never having seen Gone With The Wind. Being the most profitable film in the history of cinema, with a time-adjusted box-office of $1,537,559,600 it is reasonable to make the hyperbole that "nobody" has seen Gone with the Wind since the ratio of "have not seen vs have seen" seems to be a lot higher on the website than in the general population.
There :yabbse-angry: ( :yabbse-smiley:)
I haven't seen Gone With the Wind, but I didn't want to list it because I have read the novel. I just have seen enough scenes and clips to not really feel I am missing out on anything so I don't care to even watch it.
Actually, Kurosawa is awesome but a lot of people, specially the hipsters, pretend to like him without really having seen much, sometimes their only experience being watching a couple of his films at the age of 15 or something. A lot of people consider him dense yet of course, he isn't. Seven Samurai and Rashomon particularly are so light and fun, but you can't approach a film ALREADY thinking it will be a core to sit trough. I guess having seen 7 Kurosawas really makes up for not seeing Pulp Fiction.
GT: Heaven & Earth is not too good, but it¡s worth it and damn, you're supposed to be in love with this guy. Sunrise is great too, just watched it like three months ago.
I also have not seen a clockwork orange and apocalypse now. and obviously not gone with the wind or lawrence of arabia. no seventh seal or wild strawberries...but I'm assuming most people here haven't either? also I've never seen the wizard of oz. and no westerns at all.
Quote from: Alexandro on April 30, 2010, 10:50:55 AM
GT: Heaven & Earth is not too good, but it¡s worth it and damn, you're supposed to be in love with this guy. Sunrise is great too, just watched it like three months ago.
Honestly, if I didn't own both films, I would have seen them already. Owning them makes it convenient to say, "Another day." I'll probably like Heaven and Earth more than you, but I'm in no rush. I always find myself happily going back to other films of his instead.
Pete, Seen all of your titles besides Gone With the Wind.
I'm actually a little embarassed cause I don't have a lengthy list of shamefully overlooked gems of cinema to share with you guys. Yeah, there are quite a number of films I haven't seen, but I can't think of one that would be particularly embarassing in the context of this place. (well, not after this thread :wink:)
You know that marquee "from film lover to film snob in 6 months"? Yeah, that was me 5 years ago when I found this place, and I'm quite proud of it. I guess it's because I've gone out of my way to see the films raved so much about here, and the directors sanctified.
I love yous guys, even for these tiny transgressions. Wish I could share more. :oops:
I have to call bullshit on the people who claim to have seen everything from everyone or didn't turn off a single great classic.
I'd like to see Samsong's list... a weird omission from him would be quite interesting since he knows his shit so much.
i haven't seen everything by everyone, obviously, not even samsong has done that.. not even mac or silias have cos no one has the time to watch that many movies. but as for turning off classics that's a different thread. anyone who's ever tried to watch all the essential silent dramas knows that feeling.
just this year i managed to make it through Jean Vigo's entire feature filmography (TWO FILMS) and it took me a whole week, i'm not kidding. two films, 3hrs., a week of stopping it cos i got tired or i lost the point or it wasn't giving me butterflies.. i eventually saw each film twice, once in parts and once without stopping. same goes for Bresson's later films.. i've told the story before of when i tried to watch L'Argent and i fell asleep, but it was so short i immediately watched it again and totally stayed awake the whole time! good thing cos i later used the final shot as one of my avs..
point is at least i tried, that's a different thread, "ppl who tried to watch all the great films in order to be conversant with other freaks here on the impression that everyone on xixax was a hardcore cinephile".. i never thought that tho. i just assumed everyone had at least watched The SHiNiNG and Eyes Wide Shut.
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi5.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy154%2Fpubrick%2Femoticons%2Fdoh1.gif&hash=f323376f27ff2e3b23f2746fd85221e9d83af696) half my posts mean nothing to you! (and polky)
To be fair, I have finally seen Shining, and I saw almost half of EWS. So I can follow about 72% of everything you talk about.
Quote from: polkablues on April 30, 2010, 12:02:09 PM
To be fair, I have finally seen Shining, and I saw almost half of EWS. So I can follow about 72% of everything you talk about.
I've seen EWS (for the boobies at first when it first aired on TV in 2001-2002, than for real a couple months ago). There's a really boring scene in it when Nicole Kidman is stoned and talks shit about women and sex and stuff. That speech is so 1999. I loved the characters of the piano player and the crazy Sobiesky-dad. I really like Tom Cruise so of course he was good in that.
I still prefer Lost Highway, however sacrilegious that might sound. Oh, yeah, I'm just mentioning that movie to get some heat off me and some on you, Polks.
Perhaps my post defeated itself, I dunno. It was typed in good humour, and I wasn't trying to sound better than anyone on here, by any means. Meant to be a playful poke in the ribs, that's all, along with a grateful appreciation of Xixax; it could've come out better, I admit.
I love this thread, I just wish that I could participate in it more, instead of making posts like this (which will be ceased). :roll:
This one's for GT: uh, I can't recall a good Oliver Stone movie I've seen (and there hasn't been many of them)? :)
Quote from: Pas on April 30, 2010, 12:13:18 PM
Quote from: polkablues on April 30, 2010, 12:02:09 PM
To be fair, I have finally seen Shining, and I saw almost half of EWS. So I can follow about 72% of everything you talk about.
There's a really boring scene in it when Nicole Kidman is stoned and talks shit about women and sex and stuff. That speech is so 1999.
Yeah, you obviously saw it. Reminds me of the woody allen quote "I read War & Peace, is about Russia".
Quote from: Alexandro on April 30, 2010, 12:43:58 PM
Quote from: Pas on April 30, 2010, 12:13:18 PM
Quote from: polkablues on April 30, 2010, 12:02:09 PM
To be fair, I have finally seen Shining, and I saw almost half of EWS. So I can follow about 72% of everything you talk about.
There's a really boring scene in it when Nicole Kidman is stoned and talks shit about women and sex and stuff. That speech is so 1999.
Yeah, you obviously saw it. Reminds me of the woody allen quote "I read War & Peace, is about Russia".
Hahaha yeah but I saw it though
^^ there's nothing boring about it! :yabbse-angry:
and yo falcon, I took you're post as you intended it, it surprises me that pas being a funny guy took it so seriously.
Quote from: Fernando on April 30, 2010, 02:18:16 PM
^^ there's nothing boring about it! :yabbse-angry:
and yo falcon, I took you're post as you intended it, it surprises me that pas being a funny guy took it so seriously.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the boring part because I thought it was boring and bland. First, it's almost 9 minutes long. She accuses him of not fucking two hot models "only out of consideration for her, not because he doesn't want to!" Oh my god, she really got him there! What an asshole, wanting to fuck two hot young girls if the wife didn't mind.
Oh but the worst part, when they talk about the patients at Cruise's office and she starts talking in baby voice. Will you shut the fuck up, bitch. On every argument she is owned by Cruise and yet you feel a bit like the movie wants you to think she's right or something, that what she says is somehow valid or interesting. It's not.
Other than that, good movie, good mystery etc.
As for Falcon, what's the beef man! I didn't take nothing "so seriously", just called bullshit on your little "I have seen everything" routine :P No biggie!
edit: P's gonna stomp on my balls for this post haha
Quote from: The Perineum Falcon on April 30, 2010, 12:35:32 PM
This one's for GT: uh, I can't recall a good Oliver Stone movie I've seen (and there hasn't been many of them)? :)
Thanks for the useless comment.
Wow, just got here.
Some big reveals... I'm surprised about Jaws. That's a HUGE one to me. That needs more calling out!
GT, fucking drop it with your "thanks for the useless comment" bullshit. It's your least flattering trait. If you're so goddamned high and mighty about people having to explain reasons for not liking a movie, don't read it, just ignore it.
I like you, buddy, you can just be a buzzkill with that griping. We get the point, you explain everything.
I love this thread, but it's pointless to say "I never saw Back to the Future 2 because I didn't like the first one"... not seeing the first one is the big deal.
There are a bajillion movies I could put here, but these are the ones that come to mind:
Lawrence of Arabia (rented it twice, never watched it)
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Quote from: RegularKarate on April 30, 2010, 05:53:33 PM
GT, fucking drop it with your "thanks for the useless comment" bullshit. It's your least flattering trait. If you're so goddamned high and mighty about people having to explain reasons for not liking a movie, don't read it, just ignore it.
I like you, buddy, you can just be a buzzkill with that griping. We get the point, you explain everything.
Like I give a shit. Usually I try to keep any sour points of my personality to responses when I feel jabs are leveled my way. I could be misinterpreting the original comment (and if I did, I do apologize to Falcon) but it seemed to be a jab since it was a slam against Stone in my face where no real response could be brought back against it. My pet peeve is when someone feels like they can just slam a filmmaker in three words and walk off like they are better for it. I usually don't care when someone attacks Stone in general. It happens often but when it's needlessly flaunted in front of me, then sure, a little poke back is in order and it isn't like I really attacked him anyways. It seems like it is just a response which got you to finally react, but everyone here acts arrogant and ridiculous in their own way.
I also don't think I am better for explaining myself. I just want to know what people think about something. I think it's owed. If you want to make a big deal about this, fine. And if you think I am making a big deal about this by writing a little about it, then you don't understand at all anyways.
Quote from: Gold Trumpet on April 30, 2010, 06:19:29 PM
I could be misinterpreting the original comment (and if I did, I do apologize to Falcon)
i think you did. poor guy was just doing what everyone else has done in the context of this thread.. he tried to palm off focus on him onto someone else with a lighthearted humorous jab. that's all it was.
this kind of misjudging of tone has been rampant in this thread. i think because some ppl took a while to catch on to the unique atmosphere of the conversation. from the beginning it appealed to our pride but at the same time required a certain level of wounded ego to continue. the admission by all that we're not as well-read as we'd like grants us the permission to then jokingly attack another in a NON-SERIOUS way cos the major point of the thread is, as pas put it, that we all live in a glass house -- but it's still fun to throw pebbles.
your anger at falcon's comment in any other conversation would be justified. here it seems a bit.. unsposrtsmanlike.
Falcon and I are good. We talked it over and I told him after I posted the message, I thought about it and figured it was just good joshing. Just by then there was a reply so it became something else. I hope no hard feelings to anyone (including RK) and we can just move on. My regrets for the original message.
Quote from: Pas on April 30, 2010, 11:45:53 AM
I have to call bullshit on the people who claim to have seen everything from everyone or didn't turn off a single great classic.
I'd like to see Samsong's list... a weird omission from him would be quite interesting since he knows his shit so much.
Well, when I was like 16 I remember feeling weird about turning off Braveheart because it bored me. I saw it complete the next day and it bored me again. I have seen it two times since, it's not really boring, but I guess I was expecting too much of it because of the oscars and whatnot. Of course Braveheart, not seeing it or liking it is nothing to be ashamed of unless you are a 62 year old retired professional wrestler or something.
Other than that...well, its hard because I just never turn off anything even if it's painful to watch. I know I had a hard time enduring Metropolis the first time i saw it. L'Eclisse and Persona are two movies I ADORE which I barely watched complete the first time around, but a lot of these "hard" movies had a double effect on me. 8 1/2, Ran, Persona, LÉclisse, onibaba, many many movies felt like homework the first time but at the same time it was like some spell on me. In many ways it was a repetition of the first time I saw 2001 and understood absolutely NOTHING of what was going on, yet it was impossible for me to stop watching or rewatch at any chance. trying to be analytical about it I guess it's some kind of humble attitude towards film. I don't know, it happens without you noticing it. I saw 8 1/2 at 18 or something and couldn't find one single thing to say about it, but it just never left my mind, for years. I remembered entire scenes very vividly without being able to contextualize them. The I saw it again a few years later and it just connected with me. Many of these classics are not instantly enjoyable rides.
Mostly with silent films it can be hard, but then in the last 12 months I feel I've been rediscovering or finding a way to watch silent films and actually enjoy them more than normal films. I think it's all part of an evolution you have as a viewer, you go through phases or you start getting more and more easy going about venturing into anything with an open mind.
Something that I feel happens when you actually see a lot of films is that the more films you see the more films you like. this goes against the general perception of the film geek being extremely selective about liking things but I just have experienced the opposite. Yet it becomes harder to simply and blindly LOVE a film like before, you find good things AND bad things in everything.
i agree, i saw braveheart when i was 18 and i remembered saying to my GF at the time: "maybe it's cuz i'm a whopper with cheese (half italian, half dutch) that i really don't give a shit about these scots and their plight, or maybe this movie is just overrated and boring". :P
but seriously, beyond the testosterone i don't really get why that movie is anything special.
and GT as a third party reader, your response was equally light in it's jab despite him calling you out. i'dda said something similiar or worse lol.
I haven't seen Bourne 2 or 3. I got as far as renting the first waaaay too late, but never gotten around to the sequels, even though I know they're the ones that matter.
And I don't think any Jason Stratham films are considered required viewing. It's far more embarrassing to say I've seen Crank.
Some other "classics" I've missed, or at least the ones I'm "embarrassed" about not having seen:
Ben-Hur
Spartacus
The Big Sleep
Blade Runner
Lawrence of Arabia
On The Waterfront
To Kill A Mockingbird
Touch Of Evil
12 Angry Men
The French Connection
The Red Balloon
Alfie
All The President's Men
The Apartment
Quote from: RegularKarate on April 30, 2010, 05:53:33 PM
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
This reminds me of a quote appropriate for everyone here...
"What are you people? On dope?"
Never seen Mulholland Dr. Braveheart, Shawshank, American Beauty, Seven Samurai, City of God, The Pianist
I've only seen the beginning of Saving Private Ryan.
I've owned the DVD's of Sunset Blvd. Cinema Paridiso, and Irreversible for years and have never watched them.
I've only seen two Hitchcock (North by Northwest and Psycho)
I fell asleep half an hour into the only two Elia Kazan movies I've attempted to watch (On the Waterfront [twice], and East of Eden)
Quote from: OrHowILearnedTo on May 01, 2010, 04:48:12 PM
Never seen Mulholland Dr. Braveheart, Shawshank, American Beauty, Seven Samurai, City of God, The Pianist
I've only seen the beginning of Saving Private Ryan.
I've owned the DVD's of Sunset Blvd. Cinema Paridiso, and Irreversible for years and have never watched them.
I've only seen two Hitchcock (North by Northwest and Psycho)
I fell asleep half an hour into the only two Elia Kazan movies I've attempted to watch (On the Waterfront [twice], and East of Eden)
The beginning of SPR is the part to watch. Then it turns into a standard movie.
All those three movies you have unopened in your shelf are very good, specially Cinema Paradiso. But all of them are like , first class.
I haven't seen East of Eden, but On the Waterfront...well, it was ok, I think it feels "new" for the period it was made it, and Brando is amazing, but the Brando performance I find electric is in A Streetcar Named Desire.
Quote from: OrHowILearnedTo on May 01, 2010, 04:48:12 PM
I fell asleep half an hour into the only two Elia Kazan movies I've attempted to watch (On the Waterfront [twice], and East of Eden)
Well ... you should try to see them when you're not tired then.
God damn, this thread has been a long time coming.
I just finished reading it, but I have to go now, my list will be quite embarrassing.
never seen indiana jones
never seen any hitchcock (except maybe half hour of the birds)
never seen a charlie chaplin
haven't bothered to watch any classics such as gone with the wind, so on
haven't seen the godfather
haven't seen taxi driver
i've been thinking of somethin to put here for a while and i got it:
I've never see a single movie by Pedro Almodovar
I would like to take a second to make sure everyone has watched;
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Because i'm glad no one has mentioned it.
nope.
(I'm expecting a string of nopes.)
i'll go ahead and break your string right now with a resounding WHY OF COURSE I HAVE (i remember i set out to watch it as soon as i heard it was pta's favorite :oops:)
Quote from: Neil on May 06, 2010, 12:17:08 PM
I would like to take a second to make sure everyone has watched;
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Because i'm glad no one has mentioned it.
this is tied with 2001 for my fav movie of all time. it heavily inspired the script i'm writing now.
whoever hasn't seen this, go give yourself the amazing pleasure.
yeah any time anyone asks me the obligatory "What's your favorite movie" i generally go for Network. I think if you're on this board (pete!) and you haven't seen this... just stop posting right now.
Network is a great movie, I remember watching it on a really beautiful summer afternoon when I was 17... my friends were probably throwing a football on the beach, with really hot girls in bikini beside them laughing and splashing water around. Maybe they even rubbed some oil on these girls back.
This makes me like the film less.
It's great to follow Network with Altered States for a Paddy Chayefsky double feature.
i still haven't seen the paddy flick Hospital i believe it's called
Quote from: socketlevel on May 07, 2010, 10:36:03 AM
i still haven't seen the paddy flick Hospital i believe it's called
it's The Hospital, but anyway that's about as obcsure as saying "i've never seen The King of Marvin Gardens"
well i've seen both those titles but i think it's a bit of a stretch to think they deserve a mention in this thread. unless you bring it up in the context of "i claim to be Paddy Chayefsky's number one fan but.." or in my example "i consider myself an expert on Bob Rafelson but...".
no one is expecting anyone to have even heard of those films, let alone to hav seen them.
Yeah man, I mean, no one is above a shitty post but I have no fucking clue what film you are referring to so maybe this revelation makes sense on alt.binaries.paddychayeskyhentai or something
wow that usenet reference made no sense whatsoever
Quote from: P on May 07, 2010, 10:39:18 AM
Quote from: socketlevel on May 07, 2010, 10:36:03 AM
i still haven't seen the paddy flick Hospital i believe it's called
it's The Hospital, but anyway that's about as obcsure as saying "i've never seen The King of Marvin Gardens"
well i've seen both those titles but i think it's a bit of a stretch to think they deserve a mention in this thread. unless you bring it up in the context of "i claim to be Paddy Chayefsky's number one fan but.." or in my example "i consider myself an expert on Bob Rafelson but...".
no one is expecting anyone to have even heard of those films, let alone to hav seen them.
i was off on the tangent conversation about paddy. following up network with altered states comment made me think of how i still haven't seen the hospital. i don't claim to be embarrassed not having seen it.
no need to defend yourself, he's just aggressive, not you man. You were talking about the same director that was being discussed. And as far as shit being obscure, and "not needing to be discussed;" Use google and get out of here.
Quote from: P on May 07, 2010, 10:39:18 AM
Quote from: socketlevel on May 07, 2010, 10:36:03 AM
i still haven't seen the paddy flick Hospital i believe it's called
it's The Hospital, but anyway that's about as obcsure as saying "i've never seen The King of Marvin Gardens"
well i've seen both those titles but i think it's a bit of a stretch to think they deserve a mention in this thread. unless you bring it up in the context of "i claim to be Paddy Chayefsky's number one fan but.." or in my example "i consider myself an expert on Bob Rafelson but...".
no one is expecting anyone to have even heard of those films, let alone to hav seen them.
"WELL, I'VE SEEN BOTH OF THOSE OBSCURE TITLES but they don't deserve mention in a thread that is about being ashamed of not seeing specific films blah blah... you just socketlevel'd the socketlevel with your little messiah complex.
Why wouldn't the film Network or a great writer like Paddy "deserve a mention" in a thread like this? Considering that several people already have been saying they have not watched Network alone, his film making might need discussing.. Network as a stand alone film is one of the greatest films i have ever seen. I know this gives it no merit, because the previous statement doesn't actually say anything. But, anyone who wants to participate in the realm of mass media of any kind should see this film, it is brilliant is every sense of the word.
P, I don't believe that you said anything other than reaffirming your subterranean lifestyle.
Your post, said even less than most of mine on xixax, let alone this post that i am typing now. What are you qualms with the films simply getting metnioned in a thread about movies that people should see? I hope your arguments are as strong and legitimate as your critiques on Kanye's music via his public outbursts/image? Because i'd love to hear it. A shit load of talk about what the artist is doing in their personal lives rather than their art.
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Quote from: New Feeling on April 17, 2010, 03:51:34 PM
Kanye is certainly one [the notable artists in the 00's) of them, and due to his run of excellent albums combined with his prolific and influential production work, especially with Jay-Z (one of the other few contenders), along with his highly controversial persona, I would cast my vote in his favor. Of course now that I think about it I might have cast my vote for Radiohead or the Flaming Lips or Animal Collective, but I can't really consider them "Pop" in the same way I consider Kanye.
Of course you are free to disagree and I'd love to hear who you think was the great pop musician of recent times.
Quote from: P on April 18, 2010, 07:57:06 AM
i dunno.
in terms of success he isnt the GOAT that he believes himself to be. what ppl will remember are the ppl who were huge in 2000-2010. kanye's one of them but so is Black Eyed Peas (garbage) and Justin Timberlake (kinda alrite) -- THAT's pop music, hell even BEYONCE is more easily classifiable as pop music than freaking Jay Z. an early contender for this title in the new decade is Gaga - EASY.
Kanye is probably best compared to Timbaland. his hip hop cred is nowhere near Jay Z and to be honest that's the only thing Jay Z brings to the table (god knows where he got it cos i think the dude is massively overrated).. in terms of amazing pop music you have to look at what Timbaland did as producer (pussycat dolls and those 2late 2pologize ppl notwithstanding) in the last decade. he's on hiatus now, whatever that means, but he left his mark and made a pretty penny which won't be forgotten anytime soon.
kanye SELLS himself as the greatest of all time. so when ppl try to think of who the best is, it's easy to remember that there was this one dude who all he ever said was "hey i'm the best pop artist of all time, remember that".. that's actually frighteningly close to a real quote of his. he is not the best POP artist between 2000 and 2010 in terms of success, or even what he's done to the genre.
he's just a egomaniac producer slightly more camera-hungry than timbaland.
Can't wait for another great outlook from you p.
He's much more successful than Timbo, success has something to do with the Pop(ular) culture music. Kanye has made some of the greatest produced hip hop albums in the decade we speak of. Timbo has released some great tracks but no game changers, just fads, Kanye started the whole idea of major labels giving Producer/rappers a shot at their own album. Listen to Kanye West's albums and then listen to the new one Timbo just released "Shock Value: 2." Go give that a listen, and compare it to any of Kanye's records, especially the second release produced by john brion. On timbo's album you'll find all of your favorites. Miley Cirus, Katy Perry, Daughtry, Chad Kroeger, all the great contributions to pop music. Kanye actually makes good albums, but you seem to solely focus on the realms outside of the art. Kind of like the idea of "obscure" films and you having seen them and letting the masses know it isn't worth it or worth mentioning in discourse
Stick the shit that you "actually research" Oh yeah, Jay Z got his "street cred" from selling grams to grammy's....AND he was friends with Notorious BIG, one can ride that wave for a while
I don't need a "JUST FOR THE RECORD" or a "I NEED THE LAST WORD POST EITHER" Save your time and let's get back to films.
I've never watched Barry Lydon or a Pedro Almodovar either. :(
The two films in questions were not Network and the Hospital but The King of Marvin Gardens and the Hospital.
Yikes.
i'm not defending, i'm clarifying. i should have quoted my post and this issue could have been avoided. one thing for sure is this shit is about to explode! what path are we all starting down now?! lol
neil thanks for defending, but i saw P's post less aggressive than you, i think he read it directly related to the OP. I can hold my own even if it was an attack :) one love though, appreciate you got my back (no sarcasm).
we're actually talking about a writer, not a director. just to set the record straight (you said both in your post)
onto the films:
Quote from: Neil on May 07, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
I've never watched Barry Lydon or a Pedro Almodovar either. :(
Pedro Almodovar is one of the most overrated film makers around.
Quote from: Neil on May 07, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
you just socketlevel'd the socketlevel with your little messiah complex.
i don't know whether to hit you or hug you. i like attention as much as the next guy but damn... lol
Quote from: Pas on May 07, 2010, 11:06:12 AM
Yeah man, I mean, no one is above a shitty post but I have no fucking clue what film you are referring to so maybe this revelation makes sense on alt.binaries.paddychayeskyhentai or something
wow that usenet reference made no sense whatsoever
Haha, I loled, though. :] :yabbse-thumbsup:
Quote from: socketlevel on May 07, 2010, 01:59:21 PM
onto the films:
Quote from: Neil on May 07, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
I've never watched Barry Lydon or a Pedro Almodovar either. :(
Pedro Almodovar is one of the most overrated film makers around.
Balls to that. Overrated in what sense? I'm trying to think of how he could be overrated, and is it that you don't like his febrile melodrama narratives? Okay let's say you don't - the man knows his craft, there's no way around it. He's one of dying cinema's enduring warriors. That Scorsese quote about Samuel Fuller keeps springing to my mind, "If you don't like the films of Sam Fuller, then you just don't like cinema." I sort of think calling Almodovar overrated is calling cinema overrated, in the same sense.
I'm with you Captain. Almodovar overrated lol what a silly thing to say. He's underrated if anything.
yes, you have to explain the "overrated" comment dude.
I understand the overrated comment from an angle. In the 1980s, he made comedies that highlighted his excellent writing and today, he makes sentimental movies that highlight his stylistic touches. The irreverence today is his ability to make unlikely things touching, but I think his writing is his major strength and the style of writing that made him famous is no longer in his filmmaking. He could be called overrated because it's his cinema today that is getting everyone to comment on him. I don't think we look back enough with Almodovar.
kind of agree. specially after being so let down by broken embraces. still, all about my mother and talk to her are two films that really, are both excellent screenplays and directing jobs. hard to top those. just writing-wise, most movies, you know where they're going at some point. but Talk to Her is just completely unpredictable all the way until de end, you never know where it's going, and yet is so entertaining and fascinating. Love that film...
Back to the subject, that doesn't really make him overrated...perhaps it makes some of his films overrated and others underrated, but him, personally as a filmmaker...nop.
Quote from: Gold Trumpet on May 07, 2010, 05:01:56 PM
I understand the overrated comment from an angle. In the 1980s, he made comedies that highlighted his excellent writing and today, he makes sentimental movies that highlight his stylistic touches. The irreverence today is his ability to make unlikely things touching, but I think his writing is his major strength and the style of writing that made him famous is no longer in his filmmaking. He could be called overrated because it's his cinema today that is getting everyone to comment on him. I don't think we look back enough with Almodovar.
true, and honestly i haven't seen his 80s stuff. also to qualify my statement, i meant overrated in film appreciation circles (or at any extreme left-wing-high-brow-well-to-do gipsy kings listening dinner party), obviously not the mainstream. i just find his movies melodramas that forcefully depict protagonists in extrodinary circumstances. strip away the flare and the social outcast elements from his films they are simply rock Hudson pics. i actually like some rock Hudson flicks, i just don't ever need to see them more than once. likewise with almodovar, they're overrated, i didn't say shitty. the thing that turns me off is the fact that the subject matter in his films seems obvious, whenever i read about the next almodovar flick coming out, nothing about it intrigues me.
maybe i should check out some of the 80s stuff.
and shock corridor or the big red one kicks the balls outta any almodovar film that i've seen.
lol ignore the baiting part of my post, long day.
I like Almodovar, but one line I once read in Sight and Sound (about Volver) has always stuck with me; it went something to the effect of: "When people say that Almodovar is one of the few male filmmakers who understands women, what they really mean is that he flatters them." I know this is contentious, and I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's a remark that perhaps warrants some thinking about.
More like "when people say Almodovar is one of the few male filmmakers who understands women, what they really mean is that they can't think of anything original to say about him or his films". Maybe I'm wrong, but Talk to Her and Bad Education were both about male characters, Atame too...
There will always be a part of the audience who will rejoice in being a snob and see films by the likes of Almodovar basically because he's a foreigner, this is the same people who will actually not catch a Wes Anderson film because it's "Hollywood". In short, that audience is fucking clueless and feed their own self importance seeing "interesting" movies, more "intellectual". True film lovers know that's just silly and can discern when a filmmaker is great on his own terms. Maybe Almodovar is overrated in those terrains, but it's the other side of the coin of people who won't watch foreign films or b&w films because they're "boring".
i hope you realize that's not my sensibility Alex. I'm sure you do, just once again clarifying.
actually that sight and sound quote is interesting. which makes me think of an entirely different issue. very often the dark side of male characters is explored in cinema, due to the fact that there are many more men in the field. from my dealings with women it seems that their dark side is ignored for the majority, hence the lack of good female characters. i think better roles for women, in turn means more dense unfavorable characters. i believe something that female actors have been commenting/asking for from storytellers for years lies heavily (though not exclusively) in this social taboo. I always keep it in mind when writing female characters. i just wonder how entrenched, even on a subconscious level, this standard is in place within cinema. more films need to be made about women making mistakes and either coming to terms with it or being destroyed by it as there are with men. to think that men are more prone to this is silly, it manifests in different ways but i hope it's something that will be explored more with female chars.
i know there are examples of such films, but they are few and far between. mary tyler moore in ordinary people comes to mind, and she's so fucking good in that role.
Good point Alexandro. Reminds me of when someone say they say a blockbuster that was pretty good but stupid and ALWAYS someone say : ''I don't like american movies''
Well obviously that must happen a lot more here in Quebec where EVERY female hates america.
Quote from: Pas on May 07, 2010, 01:50:46 PM
The two films in questions were not Network and the Hospital but The King of Marvin Gardens and the Hospital.
Yikes.
Anyone who considers "network" obscure wouldn't know much because it recieved plenty of mainstream awards/recognition. I obviously knew that he was speaking about the hospital and The King of Marvin Gardens and the Hospital. I was just saying p's last comment and the comments that were made regarding Kanye west were fucking ignorant. AKA Lacking any intelligent to add to the discourse or having any substance
Quote from: socketlevel on May 07, 2010, 12:38:30 PM
i was off on the tangent conversation about paddy. following up network with altered states comment made me think of how i still haven't seen the hospital. i don't claim to be embarrassed not having seen it.
oh ok, yeah i took it regarding the OP.
the hospital is pretty good, you should also check out the original book of Altered States.. i have trouble attributing the movie to chayefksy anymore after reading the book (which is very short) and after watching the movie again recently i understand why he disowned it. it's a strange kind of movie that you always remember MUCH better than it actually is.. seriously fell off my favourites list after rewatching it.
i think you're wrong about almodovar. even in intellectual circles i think he's adequately rated. obviously if you look at the most pretentious group of ppl they will overrate just about anything, see for example our hilarious banner stating that Xixax is the only place where Barry Lyndon is overrated. i think these same ppl (us i mean) generally accept that he peaked with All About My Mother. Talk To Her and even Volver could only be said to be as good as that film, which is excellent btw.. tho i would rank Volver at the bottom of the three.
it's interesting that you mention Rock Hudson cos i'm pretty sure what you mean is Douglas Sirk. almodovar has repeatedly admitted sirk was a major influence on him, and certainly you can find connections between almodovar's films and All That Heaven Allows, Written on the Wind, and Magnificent Obsession. maybe not to the point you would find in Fassbinder, but they have a lot in common. i wrote an essay on this once that i could post in the green screen if anyone would care to read it..
Douglas sirk works too, i guess i just prefer my melo drama feeling dated and without outlandish flourishes. it works when it's got a time capsule quality, and for this i didn't really like all about my mother or talk to her. never saw volver. never seen any Fassbinder either, though always meant to. Almodovar's movies just seem to appeal to that film festival "controversial" yet totally void of controversy aesthetic. i can't get over that intent and just enjoy the films for what they are because they so heavy handedly make the point that even the strange things in life are very normal, which is quite safe. i look to be challenged, and Almodovar's films are preaching to the converted with me.
on a broader scale it's like if someone makes a film about a Muslim woman taking off the veil and it premieres in N/A everyone applauds it for being "controversial", and really it would only be controversial if it premiered in downtown bagdad. i wish his films would concern themselves with the characters and plot rather than teach me this very similar lesson over and over. his melo drama hightens the message when i wish the message was subtle or saying something different.
I find Barry Lyndon gets better and better as i watch it. wasn't a huge fan first couple times, totally grew on me.
ok, i understand now. don't take offence but i don't think anyone can seriously talk to you about almodovar for a number of reasons..
you don't like almodovar for personal reasons about melodrama, which is all you see in him along with an attempt to be controversial in a safe way. you also hate his audience, which you characterize an imaginary group of ppl who like his movies for the wrong reasons. you equate regular film appreciation circles with "extreme left-wing-high-brow-well-to-do gipsy kings listening dinner party" attendees, and fans of a "film festival "controversial" yet totally void of controversy aesthetic".
i'm just summarizing here.
i think your view of almodovar has been unfortunately skewed irrerparably by these elite-film douchebags you have encountered. so to convince you that almodovar is actually concerned with a LOT more than one-dimensional genre games, like melodrama for the sake of melodrama, or trying to be controversial to an arty crowd, is a bit futile. i can only say that i have never met any of these ppl you talk about, so my experience with almodovar has not been tainted at any point and i've managed to form my own opinion based on his films alone.
what someone said above about fuller and almodovar is true. almodovar is real cinema, he is really all about cinema and not just one genre or one idea. his early films are actually quite wild and hilarious. in Almodovar on Almodovar he talks about his maturation process from his early films to a more serious direction starting with The Flower of My Secret. from that point onwards if you ever bother to watch his films, you see someone really discovering their own voice. up til then it seemed he loved the way ppl reacted to his voice, he loved making ppl laugh, his early films are like a performance which he repeats very well. his post Flower maturation is almost as if he heard his own voice and became MUCH more aware of what he was saying. this is vague but it makes sense if u watch his films. his experimentation EXPLODES from the mid-90s onwards.
melodrama in almodovar is actually more accurately described as CAMP. he addressed everything on that subject conclusively in All About My Mother. that movie marked his philosophy so clearly that if someone watches that film and sees melodrama and controversy for the sake of an arty crowd, that person just doesn't get almodovar. which is fine. but not understanding a director, or misunderstanding him, does not mean he's overrated.
anyone have movies they were embarrassed they hadnt seen so they lied and said they had?
mine's always been Lord of the Flies. as an adolescent, brother and friends would always discuss the movie and its disturbing moments and i would feel like cbrad amongst his colleagues with Star Wars so i eventually just went along as if id seen the damn thing mostly plagiarizing things my brother would say of the film. still never seen it/never will/living the lie.
first off, you're 100% right in regard to someone talking to me about the director himself and nuances in his films. i really don't know as much about him as you would for example, I've only seen about 4 of his films. no repeating viewings. i never claimed that someone could have a serious conversation with me about the art in detail. i do have enough experience to get an impression of his work (or rather his contemporary work as GT revealed, yet i have not backed up myself). i do believe they can have a conversation with me regarding why his acclaim is over stated.
this is because the term overrated very much directly involves the audience, because it is the audience that sets the standard for the positive "rating". the artist themselves can't overrate their own work without the audience backing them up. in a lot of cases, maybe this one, maybe not, the director can be silent and humble on the side lines and not get involved at all in the hyping of their stigma. so really it's is 99% the audience. if you can agree with that, then my critique stands up. a major part of the clout he has (which translates into the esteem and rating) comes from a general agreement with the critics and audience that he has the ability to convey unique attitudes about characters that are on the fringe of society. i feel his portrayal is in fact safe and two dimensional of said characters. therefor the hype surrounding this film maker as doing amazing things is in fact less impressive then led on by his fanbase.
fair enough, he doesn't create his crowd but his films still have the intent i don't like. it's not that i dislike his audience, i just really dislike rating something high with the criteria used by them. a film doesn't have to be controversial for me to like it, but when it is "controversial" i look at the audience that is stating this. in his case his audience is not challenged by his ideas, but rather they are champions of it.
his films are controversial to very small bigoted crowds (i speak of my experience in Canada, the size of these crowds in the States is for you to judge). if he was setting his sights on popular opinion then they would be controversial.
It seems like you're saying a crowd of people who misunderstand the intentions of the filmmaker are over-emphasizing impertinent qualities. P and I and others are saying that the argument is wrongly focused and misframes Almodovar.
If Almodovar was most interested in political or social commentary the motifs of his films would be political or social, but all of his films are emotionally grounded and interweave a variety of realistic circumstance in order to achieve a dramatic effect. This is why he's certainly melodramatic, and definitely old-fashioned. These are things I think it's fair to say. But, his films taken as a dramatic whole are very realistic and triple dimensional. As in early film noir, you know, like I'd say the children of angels Sight and Sound quote about flattery could equally apply to early film noir characters, and that Almodovar hasn't flattered a character beyond the flattery ever dished out to a Bogart character, for example. Part of a tradition in drama is to flatter a protagonist by highlighting an inner strength and resilience, and this isolation of a personality trait enables dynamic contrast within the narrative and achieves the drama he's famous for. This is his aim, and why his style gels so well with cinema. As for his outer fringe characters, I believe he has genuine empathy for them, but his reason for using them is clearly more for dramatic material than social redemption. Hitchcock did this too with murderers, seeking to illuminate and enhance our perception of them as sympathetic and dramatic centerpieces, but I mean do you think murderers are like Hitchcock characters? And do we rewatch his movies today because of the once-controversial material, or because of the enduring quality of his drama?
Quote from: socketlevel on May 09, 2010, 03:49:11 PM
a film doesn't have to be controversial for me to like it, but when it is "controversial" i look at the audience that is stating this. in his case his audience is not challenged by his ideas, but rather they are champions of it.
his films are controversial to very small bigoted crowds (i speak of my experience in Canada, the size of these crowds in the States is for you to judge). if he was setting his sights on popular opinion then they would be controversial.
Really, I get lost here. What are you talking about dude? Where is it written that there is critical consensus, audience consensus or any kind of consensus of Almodovar's films being: a. controversial, b. aiming to be controversial. in my mind he's more remembered because of his melodramatic touches and the labyrinthian way his screenplays go from one place to another...
Well, as I understand it 'controversy' played a fairly large role in cementing his initial reception, as part of the sudden explosion of transgressive LGBT subject matter that only became possible following the end of Franco's dictatorship. But I agree - I wouldn't say it characterizes much of the critical reaction to his work now.
Quote from: children with angels on May 09, 2010, 07:05:49 PM
Well, as I understand it 'controversy' played a fairly large role in cementing his initial reception, as part of the sudden explosion of transgressive LGBT subject matter that only became possible following the end of Franco's dictatorship. But I agree - I wouldn't say it characterizes much of the critical reaction to his work now.
I know your goal here is to be even-handed, but I want to say that this thread inspired me to rewatch What Have I Done to Deserve This?, and - I'll stop speaking for others - but one of my main points is that whatever controversy his films inspire is greatly overshadowed by the depth of his craftsmanship. And What Have I Done To Deserve This is still a hilarious film: partly absurd, partly surreal, partly melodramatic, but completely satisfying. Even more screwball than what he does now. So at least my point isn't that he does or does not inspire controversy, but he's simply a kickass filmmaker. A great writer, as is being said. The payoffs in WHIDtDT are surprising and well-earned, and the cinematic essence continues to deserve praise, even in this early stage of development.
Quote from: Pozer on May 09, 2010, 02:26:54 PM
anyone have movies they were embarrassed they hadnt seen so they lied and said they had?
mine's always been Lord of the Flies. as an adolescent, brother and friends would always discuss the movie and its disturbing moments and i would feel like cbrad amongst his colleagues with Star Wars so i eventually just went along as if id seen the damn thing mostly plagiarizing things my brother would say of the film. still never seen it/never will/living the lie.
this mostly happens to me with piece of shit films that everyone flocks to as soon as they come out and that, for obvious reasons of being a sane person who doesn't like to waste money on utter shit, i usually wait to rent on cheap-ass tuesdays for $1 or better yet wait till it comes on tv or someone else rents it or buys it cos they loved it so much cos they're idiots but what can i do they're my friends and i can catch the end of it or just enuff to back up my accurate baseless claims of said piece of shit film.
examples i caught up with years after everyone else: juno, garden state, sex and the city the movie (wow, one of the worst films ever made, down there with Machete), quantum of solace, any tim burton since big fish.
awaiting verification: paranormal activity.. ah, heaps.
Quote from: P on May 09, 2010, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: Pozer on May 09, 2010, 02:26:54 PM
anyone have movies they were embarrassed they hadnt seen so they lied and said they had?
mine's always been Lord of the Flies. as an adolescent, brother and friends would always discuss the movie and its disturbing moments and i would feel like cbrad amongst his colleagues with Star Wars so i eventually just went along as if id seen the damn thing mostly plagiarizing things my brother would say of the film. still never seen it/never will/living the lie.
this mostly happens to me with piece of shit films that everyone flocks to as soon as they come out and that, for obvious reasons of being a sane person who doesn't like to waste money on utter shit, i usually wait to rent on cheap-ass tuesdays for $1 or better yet wait till it comes on tv or someone else rents it or buys it cos they loved it so much cos they're idiots but what can i do they're my friends and i can catch the end of it or just enuff to back up my accurate baseless claims of said piece of shit film.
examples i caught up with years after everyone else: juno, garden state, sex and the city the movie (wow, one of the worst films ever made, down there with Machete), quantum of solace, any tim burton since big fish.
awaiting verification: paranormal activity.. ah, heaps.
hahaha exact same reason here. it's just easier to lie and say I saw it than having to EXPLAIN why I haven't with something like "because I know it sucks".
I'm a little late to the party but I haven't seen...
Chinatown
Barry Lyndon
Spartacus
Eraserhead
This is my shame.
Some Directors I enthusiastically follow every news
about their movie until it comes out and then I don't see it
edit: notice the amount of times I wrote
I guess on this post. It's pretty insane.
Wes AndersonRushmore and The Royal Tenenbaums rank amongst my favorite movies. I enjoy his genius type characters and his style. He's a personal favorite, definitely. I follow the development of his stuff since the submarine movie.
Haven't seen:
- Darjeeling Limited
- Fantastic Mr. Fox
The CohensThey definitely are among the best in Hollywood since a long time. I follow them since the divorce movie. Some could say these two don't really belong on this list though because I didn't follow their development but I guess it's compensated by the fact that they are among the first DVDs I ever bought.
Haven't seen:
- Barton Fink
- Miller's Crossing
PTAI guess I kind of have to follow him because of this board. TWBB is one of my favorite movie. There's a huge Rush poster in Magnolia so I guess it's alright. Again, haven't followed the development of these two particularly but I guess it's stupid to look forward to a new film by someone if you haven't even seen the others.
Haven't seen
- Boogie Nights (a bit, old news)
- Hard Eight (Sidney, whatever... looks good though)
J.J. AbraamsI guess you have to follow his shit because it's the best part of the film I guess. I remember looking forward to MI3 and Cloverfield like a crazy kid.
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old news, perhaps, but it still baffles me!
you had me at "the cohens".
Quote from: Pas on May 18, 2010, 10:25:55 AM
Haven't seen
- Boogie Nights (a bit, old news)
How is this still the case, though? It's like you're proud of not having seen this. Come on, this is fucking required viewing for this board. You don't even know how many references and banners alone are about to all make sense for you.[/list][/list]
I think I've seen most of the important mainstream stuff made post-1970 or so. I started looking at IMDB.com by decade and the number of classic movies which I haven't seen go up dramatically in the 60s. I haven't seen any of these all the way through. Always bits and pieces on AMC or something. One of these days when I have a little more patience I'd like to sit down and absorb Hitchcock/Kurosawa/etc etc.
..but stuff I haven't seen post-1970 which I maybe should have?
Patton
Network
Cinema Paradiso
The Princess Bride (I always get shit about this one.)
Brazil
Quote from: // w ø l r å s on May 18, 2010, 01:11:03 PM
Quote from: Pas on May 18, 2010, 10:25:55 AM
Haven't seen
- Boogie Nights (a bit, old news)
How is this still the case, though? It's like you're proud of not having seen this. Come on, this is fucking required viewing for this board. You don't even know how many references and banners alone are about to all make sense for you.[/list][/list]
Well it's not that I haven't seen it per se. I've started it and didn't like it so much, so I really have no interest in seeing it again at all.
Quote from: Alexandro on May 18, 2010, 01:01:08 PM
you had me at "the cohens".
What do you mean I don't know that expression ?
Well, I've seen two Von Triers now. Europe and Antichrist. And I don't really know if i liked them or not. There were so many things that bother me. Well, I'm probably too young and stupid for these kinds of movies, anyway.
Quote from: KarlJan on May 19, 2010, 07:24:05 AM
Well, I've seen two Von Triers now. Europe and Antichrist. And I don't really know if i liked them or not. There were so many things that bother me. Well, I'm probably too young and stupid for these kinds of movies, anyway.
well maybe for THOSE two.
watch Breaking The Waves and The Idiots, they have more of a straight forward narrative that doesn't devolve into too much stylistic bullshit. they were my favourites when i was a teen and they are still great. Europa (aka Zentropa) is just an exercise to show to everyone that he is a master of the craft, and it proves it fine with a very meticulous concept. but it's Breaking the Waves that really proves he's a genius in style and substance.. it also features the best performance he's ever directed.
I read in Cahiers du Cinéma last month (oh yeah, I've got all kinds of culture) an interview with the bad guy in Casino Royale, that weird eye guy. He says the Idiots is just a bunch of narcissistic actors doing all kinds of stupid shit and whatever they say really means : "PLEASE LOVE ME LARS, PLEASE FILM ME AND LOVE ME" ... I write it in caps to accentuate the annoyingness of that kind of people.
I don't know if it's true but I guess it is.
Quote from: P on May 19, 2010, 07:46:24 AM
Quote from: KarlJan on May 19, 2010, 07:24:05 AM
Well, I've seen two Von Triers now. Europe and Antichrist. And I don't really know if i liked them or not. There were so many things that bother me. Well, I'm probably too young and stupid for these kinds of movies, anyway.
well maybe for THOSE two.
watch Breaking The Waves and The Idiots, they have more of a straight forward narrative that doesn't devolve into too much stylistic bullshit. they were my favourites when i was a teen and they are still great. Europa (aka Zentropa) is just an exercise to show to everyone that he is a master of the craft, and it proves it fine with a very meticulous concept. but it's Breaking the Waves that really proves he's a genius in style and substance.. it also features the best performance he's ever directed.
I remeber when I was like nine and began to see The Idiots. Thought it was really creppy. :shock:
I'm doing a film analysis course where we have a Trier-theme right now. And I think we will see Dancer in the Dark, Dogville and Breaking the Waves, so i'm gonna watch those. I'm not gonna see The Idiots, couse I can't download anything right now and I don't think i'm gonna blind buy that one. Although, I wanna see it.
Europe was indeed a pleasure for the eye. Though it was a bit too much at times.
Quote from: Pas on May 19, 2010, 06:10:24 AM
Quote from: // w ø l r å s on May 18, 2010, 01:11:03 PM
Quote from: Pas on May 18, 2010, 10:25:55 AM
Haven't seen
- Boogie Nights (a bit, old news)
How is this still the case, though? It's like you're proud of not having seen this. Come on, this is fucking required viewing for this board. You don't even know how many references and banners alone are about to all make sense for you.[/list][/list]
Well it's not that I haven't seen it per se. I've started it and didn't like it so much, so I really have no interest in seeing it again at all.
Quote from: Alexandro on May 18, 2010, 01:01:08 PM
you had me at "the cohens".
What do you mean I don't know that expression ?
I was just making fun of the fact you said "cohens" instead of coens using a fairly famous quote from Jerry Maguire, total geekdom.
Your affirmation of having not real interest to see Boogie Nights is starting to depress me. Really dude?
OH! Cohens haha yeah wow stupid mistake there. I should know that wtf.
As for Boogie Nights, at the risk of humiliating myself furthermore, I understand maybe it's impressive when you know a lot of stuff about film techniques and shit (which I don't) but for the layman (like me) it just looks like some story about a guy doing porn and having a huge dick.
I understand that to many people, and I don't mean that as a jab to them in any way, porn of the 70s and 80s is really really funny because of the hair and stuff. I mean, tons of time I will see people on facebook putting some softcore 80s gay porn pictures on their profile as a joke. Maybe Boogie Nights is a movie for people who really like that? Maybe not, I don't know. I really, realllly love Star 80 though when it comes to 70s-80s porn-related-stories.
PS : I don't think you guys must like Boogie Nights because you think hairy porn dudes are funny. Just some other people. I don't know, I'm rambling.
Quote from: Pas on May 19, 2010, 10:24:22 AM
As for Boogie Nights, at the risk of humiliating myself furthermore, I understand maybe it's impressive when you know a lot of stuff about film techniques and shit (which I don't) but for the layman (like me) it just looks like some story about a guy doing porn and having a huge dick.
...
PS : I don't think you guys must like Boogie Nights because you think hairy porn dudes are funny.
well i don't think i love the movie cos of some elite bullshit either, in fact i think a lot of the posters here are pretty clueless when it comes to "film techniques and shit", and i include myself in that cos the technicalities of a film is one of the most boring things to talk about.. look at the Quirky Delights In PDL thread to see that ppl like PTA for reasons other than how technically brilliant he is (which is a total copout for film analysis anyway, i can't stress enough how devoid of insight it can be to just list a film's departments and say "lighting was good, set design was good, camera work was good" really what the hell does that even mean). anyway, if the film was being praised just on technical merit we would have to be a pretty boring bunch of deadbeats. which brings me to my second point..
how did you get through my primer for the gradual understanding of PTA? you were one of the first to reply to that thing! actually now i understand why you only commented on the eminem tangent, it must've been the only reference you'd actually heard of.. hahah.
Quote from: Pas on May 19, 2010, 08:00:41 AM
I read in Cahiers du Cinéma last month (oh yeah, I've got all kinds of culture) an interview with the bad guy in Casino Royale, that weird eye guy. He says the Idiots is just a bunch of narcissistic actors doing all kinds of stupid shit and whatever they say really means : "PLEASE LOVE ME LARS, PLEASE FILM ME AND LOVE ME" ... I write it in caps to accentuate the annoyingness of that kind of people.
I don't know if it's true but I guess it is.
that's pretty funny but not really true. the performers in the idiots got to work on the best Dogme film ever and even got to participate in a real orgy (*KarlJan begins to rethink his position on blind-buying it*), so i think it's a rare case that for once in a Von Trier film the actors got real satisfaction from their work and weren't just physically/mentally abused (except karen of course.. spoiler).
Quote from: P on May 19, 2010, 10:40:31 AM
how did you get through my primer for the gradual understanding of PTA? you were one of the first to reply to that thing! actually now i understand why you only commented on the eminem tangent, it must've been the only reference you'd actually heard of.. hahah.
Hahaha I don't know if I understoof much/any of it, but it looked like you put a lot of thought into it so I wanted to congratulate you and did a little comment about a thing I understood. Much like your mom would do. Or a girl who wants to impress you and watches some weird ass film you talked about and then doesn't like it for the right reasons and it pisses you off.
I'm trying to watch all the 'great' films I've never seen and last night I watched Apocalypse Now for the first time. 10/10.
I actually feel kind of lucky that I get to experience all these movies for the first time.
My list goes
Citizen Kane
The Good the Bad and the Ugly
Casablanca
The 400 Blows
Chinatown
The Seventh Seal
And then tons and tons more. Gotta do these ones first. Lots of Hitchcock and Woody Allen. There are so many older movies that I haven't seen that I need to start watching. I never saw Apocalypse Now because I felt I had already seen it since I knew everything about it. Glad I finally watched it.
No rush for the Seventh Seal... besides the awesome premise (Death vs Crusader chess match) there is nothing good about this film. there probably is, but I was asleep
I almost wished I had saved a major classic or two to watch now (or later). I shouldn't have caught up and seen EVERYTHING during a 2 year span in the early 00's.
I watched a bunch of Akira Kurosawa movies when I was 14 or 15, and I just wasn't able to appreciate them like I can now. I liked them, but it's not the mindblowing experience it is these days.
That said, just because you saw these movies a long time ago doesn't mean that you can't watch them again and still experience it like new, as long as enough time has passed or if your tastes have developed a lot more.
I think that The Seventh Seal is a great film, but I wouldn't recommend starting with it, as far as Bergman goes. Bergman is one of my favorite filmmakers, but I kind of feel like his films exist all together and need each other as context, or at least it enriches the experience. Some of his other films are more immediately accessible, and help you to get a handle on what Bergman is all about. I recommend Scenes From a Marriage as a starting point, mainly because it's dramatically so engrossing and doesn't really have the struggle with God that a lot of his other films have. Cries and Whispers will give you an idea of his poetic sensibilities, and it's just such a masterful film. Then with an idea of the Bergman vibe, you can hit all the religious themed films all at once (The Seventh Seal, Winter Light, Through a Glass Darkly, The Virgin Spring). That's just what I'd do.
I watched a bunch of Truffaut when I was a teenager and I think it's time to revisit those, along with the Kurosawa stuff. It's also time that I watch more Godard. I saw Vivre Sa Vie a couple of weeks ago and adored it.
(Citizen Kane is SO GOOD and so entertaining. That's one of the classics that I think is so easy to love and enjoy, whereas some can be a chore to sit through.)
I hate that everything isn't available on Blu-Ray. I want Citizen Kane and Chinatown! :yabbse-angry:
I think I'm just going to watch Red Desert instead.
Quote from: modage on December 13, 2010, 10:04:59 PM
I almost wished I had saved a major classic or two to watch now (or later). I shouldn't have caught up and seen EVERYTHING during a 2 year span in the early 00's.
I don't buy that. I will name 3 Great Classics (not obscure shit at all) and if you've seen them I will believe you:
Shadows of our Forgotten Ancestors
Il Grande Silenzio
and just to make sure I win, I will add the greatest Canadian film ever:
Pour la Suite du Monde (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pour_la_suite_du_monde)
the third one can be seen online for free with subtitles on the NFB website. Everyone I showed it to completely adored it, so you can thank me later. :)
i wouldn't call those major classics. for starters, sergei parajanov is esoteric in every sense of the word. the other two are completely unknown to me and probably 98% of the board. also i'm pretty sure mod was referring the american canon (see: afi's top 100) since he doesn't like/can't read subtitles nor accepts sensibilities that are, you know, different.
there are movies that i haven't seen that i don't give a shit about, like west side story and the sound of music, driving miss daisy. etc. ben hur may be slightly more egregious but everything i've been told about it is that it's a bore up until the chariot race. haven't seen 12 angry men. haven't seen hard eight.
not sure i'm embarrassed by what i haven't seen.... i'm sure there's something.
oh I see to me major classics are like the best movies made in a period/place or the best film of a major director. not being an american I am not so concentrated on american things as you guys (i.e.: not having seen Pulp Fiction). if I was not so nice I would even say ''not being an american I don't automatically dismiss anything not-american'' jk :yabbse-smiley:
someone made a one minute film about cbrad's life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMUxRQff-I
Quote from: Pas on December 14, 2010, 06:44:24 AM
Quote from: modage on December 13, 2010, 10:04:59 PM
I almost wished I had saved a major classic or two to watch now (or later). I shouldn't have caught up and seen EVERYTHING during a 2 year span in the early 00's.
I don't buy that. I will name 3 Great Classics (not obscure shit at all) and if you've seen them I will believe you:
Shadows of our Forgotten Ancestors
Il Grande Silenzio
and just to make sure I win, I will add the greatest Canadian film ever:
Pour la Suite du Monde (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pour_la_suite_du_monde)
the third one can be seen online for free with subtitles on the NFB website. Everyone I showed it to completely adored it, so you can thank me later. :)
Don't forget Hardcore logo; jesus of montreal; Les ordres; Curtis' Charm and Mon oncle Antoine. All of those are better than Pour la Suite Du Monde.
I just ordered Les Ordres after having heard so muh about it.
Pierre Perreault is hard to beat for my taste though.
fair enough, I think we can both agree Quebec is where cinema lives in Canada. Maybe it's the language barrier and thus the formation of a Star system (francophones can't leave us to go south) that makes for a nurturing atmosphere of rich narratives.
word round the campfire is Les Ordres was up for Palm de'Or but Trudeau had a hand in making that not happen, due to the sensitivity and criticism of Marshall Law hastily enforced because of the FLQ. who knows how true it is, but it's an interesting trivia bit none-the-less.
The movie is really great, even though it does suffer from the typical mid 70s low budget Canadian aesthetic and editing in moments. If you're from Canada, grew up in the 80s, you'll know what i mean... three words: peanut butter solution.
there were some great films coming out of Quebec though. "the dog who stopped the war" ("La guerre des tuques") always had a warm place in my heart. a great movie for kids, with a simple yet powerful message.
It makes me happy to hear a fellow canadian talk like you do. I love my province but I would miss Canada should we separate.
La Guerre des Tuques was my favorite movie as a child, along with Tommy Tricker and the Stamp Traveler.
It seems to me that Quebec's cinema was much much more ambitious back in the 70s and 80s. Now all we try to do is emulate american shit. I mean actual shit. Used to be we had a culture. Oh well, assimilation complete, congrats USA.
You are spot on about quebec's star system. Imagine if all canadian stars stayed in Canada, you'd have great cultural products! Here they go in France to make money but live in Montreal still.
Vive le Québec! (i'm a torrie btw so don't think I'm an evil quebequer from with the Bloc)
haha i actually like the Bloc! In fact, it's the Tories (a past Torie, Mulroney) in the 80s that got rid of Cancon and got us into this very situation we're in. I know many voice actors that lost their jobs because of free trade and needed to figure out new ways to use their talents.
It's funny you say that because most Ontarians love the rest of Canada. Growing up everyone always talks about going to Montreal or Vancouver after graduating high school to live in both places a bit. It wasn't until i lived in Whistler i heard the phrase "ontarible" (something i guess they call us out there). I got a lot of love for Quebec, and even though I don't want you to leave, i respect why a lot of Quebecois want to. It makes our country richer if we all don't look and talk the same. i dig diversity.
The only way to build the english based star system in Canada is to ensure 10% of screens play Canadian films. alas, we would only see the pay off a decade or so after it's enforced. because Canadian actors will have the option to go to the states to try and make it bigtime or stay here and be in shitty films that will at least be in theaters. then, slowly, as actors stay here better films will get made because other creative film talent will stay here.
i didn't know that was happening to Quebec cinema. and even though you probably have your finger on the pulse more than I do with francophone films, my guess would be that even with the carbon copy shitty American films made, you still have a somewhat solid stream of 2-4 good ones a year. I still haven't seen "incendies" yet, but it's still playing at varsity cinema near my place in Toronto. I will very soon.
big ups for a french Canadian film getting a lot of radiohead in their OST as well :yabbse-thumbup:
oh and i'll try to check out Tommy Tricker and the Stamp Traveler. never heard of them.
Quote from: socketlevel on April 07, 2011, 04:16:38 PM
oh and i'll try to check out Tommy Tricker and the Stamp Traveler. never heard of them.
it's only one movie!!! It was shot in english too
well shit, still never heard of it lol
Quote from: Pas on April 07, 2011, 10:56:27 AM
It seems to me that Quebec's cinema was much much more ambitious back in the 70s and 80s. Now all we try to do is emulate american shit. I mean actual shit. Used to be we had a culture. Oh well, assimilation complete, congrats USA.
We didn't even know we were trying to do that! :yabbse-thumbup:
It's not your fault, your cultural-throat-shoving is just a consequence of your utter commercial world domination. I don't hold it against you :yabbse-smiley:
Just read this whole thread so I had to post mine even though it's been a while since anyone has been here. I tried to order them most embarrassing to least. Here's what I came up with....
Haven't seen:
Lolita, The Killing, Spartacus
Badlands
Elephant Man, Eraserhead, Inland Empire
Seven Samurai
Leon the Professional
The Third Man
Gone With the Wind
Quote from: DocSportello on February 19, 2012, 08:13:07 PMElephant Man, Eraserhead, Inland Empire
Skip right to #3 and you won't regret it.
I started Eraserhead a few years ago on a night when I just wasn't ready and shut it off early into the film. But I've been on a Lynch kick lately so perhaps the time has come.
I'm honestly not a big fan of Eraserhead. It's tedious and kind of silly. I can't blame you for not making it all the way though... I think I barely did.
If you liked Mulholland Drive, please watch Inland Empire as soon as possible. It's like Mulholland Drive, but on crack and in the gutter.
Relevant links:
My Inland Empire analysis (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10711.0)
Inland Empire thread (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=9404.0)
I've never seen the Godfather trilogy or the Lord of the Rings trilogy...
...blasphemy? or..
Saw Citizen Kane for the first time last week. Glad I waited.
Now, City of God.
Quote from: KarlJan on May 19, 2010, 07:24:05 AM
Well, I've seen two Von Triers now. Europe and Antichrist. And I don't really know if i liked them or not. There were so many things that bother me. Well, I'm probably too young and stupid for these kinds of movies, anyway.
You're a fucking retard, 2010 KarlJan.
Quote from: Oh? on February 19, 2012, 10:40:28 PM
Saw Citizen Kane for the first time last week. Glad I waited.
Now, City of God.
I haven't seen Kane, Casablanca or Gone with the wind... yet.
I haven't seen any of the Star Wars movies or Godfather films. I'd like to see the latter, just haven't gotten around to it yet.
I saw part of the first Lord of the Rings, and didn't care to see the rest of them.
Haven't watched any of the Terminator movies.
Haven't seen From Justin to Kelly yet, but I've preordered the upcoming director's cut from Criterion. Didn't care too much for the sequel, From Clay to Reuben, but maybe that's because I hadn't seen the first one yet.
Quote from: KLMNOP on February 28, 2013, 03:53:20 PMHaven't seen From Justin to Kelly yet, but I've preordered the upcoming director's cut from Criterion. Didn't care too much for the sequel, From Clay to Reuben, but maybe that's because I hadn't seen the first one yet.
Thanks for mentioning this. The team on "How did this get made" is talking about that one on their next podcast episode.
^^ awesome.
a funny one I just listened to recently is On The Line (http://www.earwolf.com/episode/on-the-line/), the Nsync movie.
Quote from: KLMNOP on February 28, 2013, 03:53:20 PM
Haven't seen From Justin to Kelly yet, but I've preordered the upcoming director's cut from Criterion. Didn't care too much for the sequel, From Clay to Reuben, but maybe that's because I hadn't seen the first one yet.
The IMDB summary is fantastic 'A lonely, sexually repressed man. A depressed woman. A summer camp. On this fateful night, they will meet... and their hearts will become one'.
Quote from: Reelist on March 01, 2013, 09:29:50 AM
^^ awesome.
a funny one I just listened to recently is On The Line (http://www.earwolf.com/episode/on-the-line/), the Nsync movie.
I fucking hate to admit this, but I secretly loved the hell out of Spice World when it came out. I haven't seen it since then, but I sorta want to try watching it again to see if it actually has any redeeming qualities or if my taste was really that terrible. All I really remember liking about it was how huge the bus was inside.
When I watch it again I'll post my thoughts in the Spice World thread.
You don't need to be embarrassed by that one. Spice World was actually pretty great.
Aw, man. If polka liked it that means I have to watch it now!
I wonder what movie I'm most embarassed to have seen. Probably Gigli, no movie has ever insulted my intelligence to such a degree. I can't believe that the writer/director Martin Brest actually had a small part in inspiring PTA's career with the character of Sydney in Midnight Run! Oh, I could go on... Best worst movie ever
That could be an interesting thread too. Movies you're embarrassed to have seen. I mean, I'm sure we've all seen tons and tons of shit, but what movie makes you genuinely ashamed to have spent time with it?
One rule should be that you must have sat through the whole thing. Another might be that childhood viewing doesn't count on the basis that you shouldn't feel embarrassed about it.
Personally, I'd say LiTTLEMAN is probably the one. I saw it in theatres too. And I was, like, 19. It was a double date. The other guy didn't want to see Devil Wears Prada and, after much fuss, I offered to see whatever movie he wanted, just he and I. I barely knew him, but I had no reason to suspect he would choose LiTTLEMAN. 90-odd interminable minutes in stone silence with an audience of mostly fifth graders. Just miserable. Hating every movie that came before it for paving the way. Hating the double date motherfucker who passed out half-an-hour in. It wasn't even a double date anymore. I was now on a date with him. I should have left him sleeping and snuck across into Devil Wears Prada. But I just sat there and sat there and sat there. I couldn't even tell you why. I can't remember anything about the film itself. I know it's probably not THAT bad in the grand scheme, but it felt like something otherwordly while I was watching it. Coming out of that theatre, I couldn't look strangers in the eye.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, there are also a few arty films it pains me to say I've seen in their entirety. Begotten -- I watched at home and could've turned it off, but I didn't -- and Crispin Glover's films What Is It? and It Is Fine! Everything Is Fine. Particularly the former. Those I paid a premium to see, like $50 all in, which included the slideshow he does and a Q&A. Bought the tickets a month in advance too. Rearranged plans to see them. Saw the What Is It? presentation on a Friday. Felt like how elderly people must feel when they get scammed by telemarketers. Then went back again on Saturday for the exact same slideshow and Q&A (Crispin Glover's answers don't really match up to the questions asked) and It Is Fine!
Fool me once, Crispin...
i didn't dislike whichever crispin glover movie i saw and with the same kind of presentation, but i was kind of baffled by the short stories he read (as in, wondered why they were being read*) and i walked out of his interminable q&a, which i only stayed so long into 'cause i paid probably whatever you paid (it was $25 per? can't remember). he kept explaining to people why he did something to some living creature, i can't-- oh, i think he killed a slug with foamy white something, or maybe the slug was foamy while it died. i wasn't worried about the slug tbh. i then elected not to return the following night. so, i'm relating, overall. def would compare it to one of those freakshows in the middle of the desert that's like five weird animals and a gift shop
*just reread your post and i think the short stories were slide shows, right? check out how memorable that was for me
Quote from: polkablues on March 02, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
You don't need to be embarrassed by that one. Spice World was actually pretty great.
I just ran across this wonderful Roger Ebert quote:
"The Spice Girls are easier to tell apart than the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but that is small consolation: What can you say about five women whose principal distinguishing characteristic is that they have different names? They occupy
Spice World as if they were watching it: They're so detached they can't even successfully lip-synch their own songs."
That's kind of what I love about it. It's surprisingly punk rock.
So the Glover things aren't too enjoyable?
I finally watched Rubin & Ed. CG and that movie had been in the back of my mind since seeing a description of the movie in a card game several years ago.
The director has a DVD for $25 on his site, but he won't respond when I ask about it.
CG seems interesting with the Letterman interviews, album, and repurposed books.
Well i just watched pulp fiction after all.
It was not bad, though it definitely had all that annoying Quentin Tarantino dialogue. Ugh.
His only really good film is Jackie Brown when u think about it.
I'm not embarrassed about this, but I have never seen Crash, and yet I still tell people that it sucks. Is that okay? I've read about it and seen the reviews and sample dialogue and a few scenes. That's enough, isn't it? Or should I just watch it so I can confidently tell people that it sucks?
ps--I usually don't prejudge movies like this, but I made an exception for this one.
edit--2004 Crash, not the other one.
Quote from: classical gas on July 19, 2014, 10:24:26 AM
I'm not embarrassed about this, but I have never seen Crash, and yet I still tell people that it sucks. Is that okay? I've read about it and seen the reviews and sample dialogue and a few scenes. That's enough, isn't it? Or should I just watch it so I can confidently tell people that it sucks?
ps--I usually don't prejudge movies like this, but I made an exception for this one.
edit--2004 Crash, not the other one.
Yes, you are absolutely allowed to do that in this case.
Recently encountered Quentin's essay (https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/quentin-tarantino-on-how-spaghetti-westerns-shaped-modern-cinema/) on Once Upon a Time in the West, and realized I'd never seen it! I thought, given the run-up to his "...Hollywood" next month, perhaps I should assign myself the homework of getting around to it. Found it online, but then noticed that the New Bev was running it this weekend--and with QT's personal print. Perfect opportunity! Sold-out, but I juuuuust made the cutoff and got inside.
For whatever reason I never saw it back in the day. And didn't really know a lot about it other than it's status as a game-changer. Nothing against Westerns as a genre--I've seen all the classics and enjoyed them--but I guess I wasn't into the spaghetti sub-genre at the time (I was in high school), and never got around to it as an adult.
I'm a little chagrined to admit that I was disappointed.
Smiled thru the famous opening sequence (loved Elam and the Fly bit), but it started dragging for me about 20 minutes in. I remember gritting my teeth to avoid looking at my watch, but finally did and we were only 2 hours in.
I could see intellectually why many consider it a classic, but I was never emotionally engaged or enthralled at any point. Bronson was such a cipher, that there was not much to root for there. (Maybe that was the point?) I think I connected with Robard's character the most--and I did like Fonda's casting-against-type. Not a lot of plot, and Leone took his damn sweet time with what little there was.
By the end I felt every single one of the 165 minutes. I kept thinking, "Sergio, baby, you could cut at least an hour out of this...", but then, of course, it wouldn't be the epic that so many people love.
Not sorry I went--good for the ol' Cinema Education--but at this point I don't think I'll have the urge to see it again, for example. And I enjoyed the Sergio Leone Primer that the guy next to me offered when I asked what it was about Leone that made him so popular. I stayed up rather later than I should have reading about the film. Which reminds me that there are some OUATW docs on Youtube that I'm going to check out.