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The Director's Chair => Paul Thomas Anderson => Topic started by: MacGuffin on December 02, 2009, 10:12:15 PM

Title: The Master - Spoiler-Free Thread
Post by: MacGuffin on December 02, 2009, 10:12:15 PM
Anderson, Hoffman at Altar on Religion Pic
By: Mike Fleming, Variety

“There Will Be Blood” writer/director Paul Thomas Anderson has found religion, and Philip Seymour Hoffman, for his next film.

Anderson has written an untitled period drama that is set up at Universal. Hoffman, who has played supporting roles in most of Anderson’s past films, would this time be the centerpiece.

Hoffman will play “The Master,” as in “master of ceremonies,” a charismatic intellectual who hatches a faith-based organization that begins to catch on in America in 1952.

The core is the relationship between The Master and Freddie, a twenty-something drifter who becomes the leader’s lieutenant. As the faith begins to gain a fervent following, Freddie finds himself questioning the belief system he has embraced, and his mentor.

Anderson's treatment of religion was cynical in "There Will Be Blood." Here, the scrutiny isn't specifically directed toward faith-based movements like Scientology or Mormonism that are newcomers compared to established religions. Anderson explores the need to believe in a higher power, the choice of which to embrace, and the point at which a belief system graduates into a religion. . 

Universal, which has become very selective about green lighting adult dramas, won’t make a decision on Anderson’s $35 million budget pic until he delivers his finished script. His hope is to make the picture next year, sources said.

Anderson’s frequent collaborator, JoAnne Sellar, is the producer. 

Hoffman made his breakthrough in the cast of Anderson’s “Boogie Nights,” and has also appeared in the Anderson-directed “Hard Eight,” “Punch-Drunk Love” and “Magnolia.”

Neither the studio nor reps for Anderson or Hoffman would comment.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on December 02, 2009, 10:41:02 PM
I for one wish these up-and-coming young filmsters the best of luck with their project.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on December 02, 2009, 11:36:52 PM
Oh my fuck.

There's a sweet irony about an exploration of religion coming from the man I worship.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: SiliasRuby on December 02, 2009, 11:55:30 PM
Fucking awesome. Something to seriously look forward to.... A sigh of happiness just breathed through my mouth.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 02, 2009, 11:58:50 PM
This is after Metal Gear Solid, right?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on December 03, 2009, 12:22:12 AM
Here, the scrutiny isn't specifically directed toward faith-based movements like Scientology

Uh-huh.   :yabbse-wink:

I look forward to PSH's take on his completely fictitious character, H. Rod Huggard.

Tom Cruise will be quietly judging him like crazy after this movie comes out.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on December 03, 2009, 12:32:41 AM
The Metal Gear Solid reference made me laugh out loud.

I still have to admit I get giddy whenever I hear real news like this about PTA. The concept is great and if PTA continues on with religious subject matter, he may be setting himself up to be an American counterpart to Robert Bresson. That would be amazing. I'm not religious, but I always knew if I ever became a filmmaker, one of my main goals would be to take the American version of the road that Robert Bresson took in his dedication to Christian themes and subjects. It sounds like this project won't be specifically about Christian ideologies, but it will have to take on a lot of modern notions of religiosity that everyday Christian evangelists today believe in.  

Also, the excellent idea is that PTA can develop something that began in There Will be Blood. Someday he may even be able to have a body of work that makes Magnolia come off as slightly naive in its notion of spirituality. That would be the greatest compliment for PTA - to develop that much.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on December 03, 2009, 01:00:29 AM
FIUCKLLKFKFK FLFLFL


FKJFKFKFK

FKFKFKFK FICKKFICKKCKC


FKKF


intelligible thoughts to resume in 10,001+ (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10941.0)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kal on December 03, 2009, 01:31:08 AM
PTA + P all in one day?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 03, 2009, 01:52:13 AM
PTA pwned your main goal, GT. Another thing to add to the PTA is a fucking jerk thread.

(http://img258.yfrog.com/img258/9100/kurosawathrone.jpg)"Dood, wtf? I wanted to be the American Bresson. It was my main goal!"

(http://img708.yfrog.com/img708/1175/645734.jpg)"You snooze, you lose."

(http://img21.yfrog.com/img21/1274/miniaturedonkey0015.jpg)"lol."
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pedro on December 03, 2009, 01:59:31 AM
I am so excited.  As someone with a decisively negative view about religion in general (no offense to the religious), I am excited to see him explore/attack it in a more direct manner.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 03, 2009, 02:10:54 AM
Am I the only one not feeling another project with religious subject matter? Everything PTA touches turns to gold, so no worries there, but the best thing about CMBB is that it was a complete departure for him, yet still felt like PTA. Here he seems to be exploring some of the same subject matter (religion) as CMBB.

I like the idea of PSH starting a NEW religion and people following him. I think that could be fun with what PTA could do with it. I hope that's the route he takes. Sounds like it.  :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: picolas on December 03, 2009, 02:25:18 AM
it sounds like the sister movie to twbb, kinda like how maggie is boogie's sister. (pdl and sydney are only childs).

oh and FUFCKCKJCdkjsdksDFSDJFK
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 03, 2009, 02:29:33 AM
^I like that idea. Sister films.

For some reason, when I think of this and it's setting, I'm getting a Badlands type of vibe. I can't even imagine how beautiful 1952 America will look through Elswit's lens.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on December 03, 2009, 03:00:05 AM
Let's get some speculation going on who's going to play Freddie. I hear the kid from "Even Stevens" is popular nowadays...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 03, 2009, 03:01:27 AM
PTA wouldn't do that.


would he?

It does bring up a character that we can all speculate about. Maybe Dano? I think he got mad underrated for his work in TWBB. DDL got his nuts hugged like crazy, but Dano didn't even get a head nod.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: cine on December 03, 2009, 03:48:43 AM
There Will Be Doubt
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on December 03, 2009, 03:58:31 AM
I'm so happy that this thread has reached 2 pages within a couple of hours of this news, and the screenplay's not even finished!  It reminds me of this forum's heyday and the bond I will always have with y'all.  I love that we can have threads on PTA's movies that will reach 100 pages before the film's first trailer.

I think 2010 is gonna be a good year for XIXAX.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: children with angels on December 03, 2009, 04:08:40 AM
I agree! This is a special moment.

On the movie: I wonder there's room for much of PTA's humour in this one?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Redlum on December 03, 2009, 05:44:32 AM
Only recently I was having to justify my love of Boogie Nights for reasons other than Heather Graham FFN. Then I started to reminisce about the summer I got the DVD and was invited into the world of PTA - strange for me to be nostalgic now but having not watched it for a while I'm probably blurring my own memories with stolen ones of Dirk being invited into the world of Jack Horner and co...and subsequently C&RV and Xixax.

Anyways this project sounds great and it's nice to be able to come somewhere with folks who get that same feeling for some small scraps of plot synopsis.

Okay... Zack Efron as Freddie.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Marty McSuperfly on December 03, 2009, 07:05:04 AM
This is great news, not just for the fact that we have a new PTA movie on the horizon, but because it means that Xixax becomes a place to go again.
We all drift away in between projects but then when a new one comes along we flock back and start off anew.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Alexandro on December 03, 2009, 07:48:17 AM
Everything about the project sounds awesome. Religion was in many ways a backdrop in There Will Be Blood, it was always shown as a counterpoint to Daniel Plainview's view of the world. This one sounds as more of a study ON religion, which in many ways would be the logical next step for Anderson. The adherence of Hoffman only makes it more of a lock for most anticipated movie ever.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I Love a Magician on December 03, 2009, 08:31:16 AM
^I like that idea. Sister films.

For some reason, when I think of this and it's setting, I'm getting a Badlands type of vibe. I can't even imagine how beautiful 1952 America will look through Elswit's lens.

or Wise Blood
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: cronopio 2 on December 03, 2009, 08:35:08 AM
HELL YEAH
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: depooter on December 03, 2009, 09:41:00 AM
IT's funny that I just watched TWBB again two days ago on Blu-ray...it's such a masterful film, but it always leaves me a bit cold. It certainly doesn't provide the adrenaline rush of watching Paul's earlier films like Boogie Nights, Magnolia and PDL...

While I have complete faith in whatever he does, I sure hope this new film has that spark that I felt was missing from TWBB. Maybe it's just the subject matter of TWBB, but it's really a hard movie for me to love despite its greatness in every way..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on December 03, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
Holy fuck nuts.

So wait, is this being based on/adapted from anything?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on December 03, 2009, 10:08:44 AM
holy shit!!!!!!!

I go one afternoon to a fucking IRS seminar and all this happens, was the tree of life trailer posted too???

Am I the only one not feeling another project with religious subject matter?

Nope, BUT, pta can't do no wrong (so far), and it's awesome that he may start filming next year which 24hrs ago was unthinkable.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: last days of gerry the elephant on December 03, 2009, 11:22:39 AM
This is after Metal Gear Solid, right?

lol lol lol...

oh and

FIUCKLLKFKFK FLFLFL


FKJFKFKFK

FKFKFKFK FICKKFICKKCKC


FKKF
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on December 03, 2009, 11:57:40 AM
OH MY GOD!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on December 03, 2009, 12:01:43 PM
And we start the pattern of crazy again...

1.) PTA will mention what books he was influenced by for this one.  Everyone will rush out and read them.  Love them.

2.) PTA will mention what movies he was influenced by for this one.  Everyone will rush out and see them and come back, wondering why he chose those...mild disappointment.

3.) Screenplay will slowly leak.  People will read it, come back and tell everyone it sucks, it's boring, "W the fuck?"

4.) Teaser Poster comes out... work of genius... everyone will reference it in every thread here.

5.) Teaser trailer will come out, everyone will watch it a million times, jizz all over, tell everyone that hated the screenplay to suck a D.

5.) Official Release Poster will come out.  Everyone will hate it, screenplay jerk will be all "told you so".

6.) Official trailer will come out.  Amazing.  Screenplay jerks take it back.

7.) Movie comes out... two people will hate it... everyone else loves it.  One line will get quoted over and over.

8.) That line gets so over-quoted and referenced that the people who originally started quoting it will go back and erase original posts in which they quoted said line.  Then they'll say how much they hate it when people quote that line.

9.) Brett Ratner


can't wait
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on December 03, 2009, 12:16:14 PM
I was just thinking the past few weeks there had to be something on the horizon since it's been 2 years since TWBB and here we go.  I will remember today. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on December 03, 2009, 12:33:08 PM
And we start the pattern of crazy again...

1.) PTA will mention what books he was influenced by for this one.  Everyone will rush out and read them.  Love them.

2.) PTA will mention what movies he was influenced by for this one.  Everyone will rush out and see them and come back, wondering why he chose those...mild disappointment.

3.) Screenplay will slowly leak.  People will read it, come back and tell everyone it sucks, it's boring, "W the fuck?"

4.) Teaser Poster comes out... work of genius... everyone will reference it in every thread here.

5.) Teaser trailer will come out, everyone will watch it a million times, jizz all over, tell everyone that hated the screenplay to suck a D.

5.) Official Release Poster will come out.  Everyone will hate it, screenplay jerk will be all "told you so".

6.) Official trailer will come out.  Amazing.  Screenplay jerks take it back.

7.) Movie comes out... two people will hate it... everyone else loves it.  One line will get quoted over and over.

8.) That line gets so over-quoted and referenced that the people who originally started quoting it will go back and erase original posts in which they quoted said line.  Then they'll say how much they hate it when people quote that line.

9.) Brett Ratner


can't wait

That's better than my plan...

1. Collect underpants

2. ?

3. Profit
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 03, 2009, 12:44:16 PM
I wonder.......... (http://www.youtube.com/user/thewayofthemaster?blend=1&ob=4)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on December 03, 2009, 12:52:07 PM
RegKar wins thus far. i'm XIXAX about threads again (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/pubrick/emoticons/animal-smiley-040.gif)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on December 03, 2009, 01:11:04 PM
The worst part about this news is knowing that no film in the next 2 years will be anywhere near as exciting or great as this will be.

Most Anticipated 2010: INVALIDATED.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on December 03, 2009, 01:40:41 PM
So This New Paul Thomas Anderson Movie Is Definitely About Scientology, Right?
Source: NYMag

Announced last night and already pretty much the upcoming movie we're most looking forward to, Paul Thomas Anderson's The Master will star Philip Seymour Hoffman in the title role as a charismatic dude who founds his own religion in 1952. The film's primary action will allegedly revolve around the clash between Hoffman's character and his second-in-command, a twentysomething guy named Freddie who comes to question what his boss is selling. So, even though Scientology's Wikipedia entry makes no mention of any troublemakers named Freddie, can we safely assume that the film will be a thinly veiled, Bowfinger-y slap at L. Ron Hubbard?

We're certainly going to! Despite Hoffman's physical resemblance to Hubbard and that Scientology was also founded in 1952, Variety claims "the drama does not so much scrutinize self-started churches like Scientology or the Mormons, as much as it explores the need to believe in a higher power, the choice of which one to embrace and the point at which a belief system graduates into a religion." But presumably they'd have to say something like that to get this thing made in Scientology-controlled Hollywood (Universal is apparently waiting on a final draft of the screenplay before it okays the film's $35 million budget).

We wonder if, to any degree, the idea for Master was inspired by Anderson's friendship with Jeremy Blake, the visual artist with whom he collaborated on 2002's Punch Drunk Love. As you'll recall, Blake and girlfriend Theresa Duncan took their own lives in 2007 under mysterious circumstances, with Duncan alleging they'd been harassed by Scientologists after the couple's friend Beck told them he was thinking about leaving the religion (Beck, of course, denied this). So we guess we probably shouldn't look for "Devil's Haircut" on The Master's soundtrack.

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/12/so_this_new_paul_thomas_anders.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 03, 2009, 01:44:59 PM
The making of this film is going to be so exciting. I wonder if the Scientologists will give PTA shit.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on December 03, 2009, 02:49:40 PM
And we start the pattern of crazy again...

1.) PTA will mention what books he was influenced by for this one.  Everyone will rush out and read them.  Love them.

2.) PTA will mention what movies he was influenced by for this one.  Everyone will rush out and see them and come back, wondering why he chose those...mild disappointment.

3.) Screenplay will slowly leak.  People will read it, come back and tell everyone it sucks, it's boring, "W the fuck?"

4.) Teaser Poster comes out... work of genius... everyone will reference it in every thread here.

5.) Teaser trailer will come out, everyone will watch it a million times, jizz all over, tell everyone that hated the screenplay to suck a D.

5.) Official Release Poster will come out.  Everyone will hate it, screenplay jerk will be all "told you so".

6.) Official trailer will come out.  Amazing.  Screenplay jerks take it back.

7.) Movie comes out... two people will hate it... everyone else loves it.  One line will get quoted over and over.

8.) That line gets so over-quoted and referenced that the people who originally started quoting it will go back and erase original posts in which they quoted said line.  Then they'll say how much they hate it when people quote that line.

9.) Brett Ratner


can't wait

That's better than my plan...

1. Collect underpants

2. ?

3. Profit

I love you both.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: SiliasRuby on December 03, 2009, 02:53:56 PM
The making of this film is going to be so exciting. I wonder if the Scientologists will give PTA shit.
Tom Cruise will silently judge him... Other than that, maybe...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on December 03, 2009, 02:58:56 PM
Tom Cruise will be quietly judging him like crazy after this movie comes out.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: tpfkabi on December 03, 2009, 03:04:04 PM
the Blake thing was what i first thought of, too.
hmm...

but there's already a film project on that story.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on December 03, 2009, 03:58:08 PM
She-ah La-bawph as Freddie FTW
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on December 03, 2009, 04:21:38 PM
the Blake thing was what i first thought of, too.
hmm...

but there's already a film project on that story.

ya being done by gus van sant, no?

I have high hopes for this, i dig the subject matter. i think it's different then TWBB because religion was an offshoot whereas this is tackling head on and going for the jugular. by the sounds of it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on December 03, 2009, 04:35:44 PM
So This New Paul Thomas Anderson Movie Is Definitely About Scientology, Right?
Source: NYMag

We wonder if, to any degree, the idea for Master was inspired by Anderson's friendship with Jeremy Blake, the visual artist with whom he collaborated on 2002's Punch Drunk Love. As you'll recall, Blake and girlfriend Theresa Duncan took their own lives in 2007 under mysterious circumstances, with Duncan alleging they'd been harassed by Scientologists after the couple's friend Beck told them he was thinking about leaving the religion (Beck, of course, denied this). So we guess we probably shouldn't look for "Devil's Haircut" on The Master's soundtrack.

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/12/so_this_new_paul_thomas_anders.html

I did a thesis on Scientology and it's pretty scary. often celebs want to leave the religion but are persuaded to stay by the most sketchy back handed manipulation.  like they got dirt on them about sexual fetishes, or dirt on family members.

i would love if PTA did the history of Scientology, it's quite fascinating.  the religion itself is insane, but how it was formed is equally crazy. south park did the religion part brilliantly. though the behind the scenes stuff would, I'm sure, amaze most people. truth is stranger than fiction and L. Ron and co. have a sorted past.  

for example, he used to be an FBI informant during McCarthyism.  during his most paranoid days, highly drug induced, L. Ron ratted out his own immediate family to the feds.  his own son denounced the religion, citing insanity and massive drug use in his father. he built a navy fleet because he didn't make it into the US navy. when you go to the "initiation" program, which is similar to birthright in it's dogma and boot camp quality, you go to this naval battleship and wear navy inspired uniforms. two months prior to his founding the self help program that later became a religion (for tax write offs) a reporter asked him if he did well from all his science fiction writing. she asked him if he made good money doing it, and L. Ron replied something like "There is no money in it. you know where all the money is? it's in religion."

and the list goes on. very few people have breached the subject in film or any medium because of the religion's Nazi like way of attacking and blacklisting people... by which the account of PTAs two friends seems to fit that profile.  many have committed suicide because they can't deal with the emotional attacks and fear they go through.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gamblour. on December 03, 2009, 05:54:51 PM
TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIITTTT

I do not know how to express excitement. I can't believe I just *now* read this. This is totally the sister/corollary to TWBB. Even the dynamic, older generation vs. younger, remains, but the scheme of power is reversed. CANNOT WAIT.

Lovely seeing the enthusiasm on here.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on December 03, 2009, 06:09:59 PM
TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIITTTT

I do not know how to express excitement. I can't believe I just *now* read this. This is totally the sister/corollary to TWBB. Even the dynamic, older generation vs. younger, remains, but the scheme of power is reversed. CANNOT WAIT.

Lovely seeing the enthusiasm on here.

Titshit?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on December 03, 2009, 06:18:00 PM
tits.. hit.

i think gamblour is saying he just hit is own tits. like a chest thump i guess.. for the, uh.. large breasted man.

something like this reaction is what i'm thinking:


(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u118/scam77/The20Goonies20-20Chunk20Truffle20Sh.gif)


Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on December 03, 2009, 06:24:19 PM
Okay, good, because I thought it might be something weird.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: a.santi on December 03, 2009, 06:45:53 PM
yay!!

this thread just made my day !!

 :yabbse-grin: :yabbse-grin: :yabbse-grin: :yabbse-grin: :yabbse-grin:

(love the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in the news header)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Find Your Magali on December 03, 2009, 06:55:44 PM
I'm on board!!

Hope to see more PTA regulars in this flick, even if it's in smaller roles.

PBH needs one more great movie...

Melora?

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on December 03, 2009, 07:16:17 PM


PBH needs one more great movie...

Melora?


agreed for both of those.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on December 03, 2009, 07:27:17 PM
even if it's in 'Variety', I won't give a damn about this movie until we get more

'til then it sounds like a rumor...even if it isn't...still sounds like it



(to play Devil's Advocate, nobody believed a porn-pudding-love story either for awhile)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: JG on December 03, 2009, 07:37:35 PM
!! i'm just glad to see you guys so excited. this should be good.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on December 03, 2009, 07:49:20 PM
tits.. hit.

i think gamblour is saying he just hit is own tits. like a chest thump i guess.. for the, uh.. large breasted man.

something like this reaction is what i'm thinking:

I was thinking more like:


(http://noel.io/wp-content/uploads//2008/12/fc2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on December 03, 2009, 08:51:43 PM
even if it's in 'Variety', I won't give a damn about this movie until we get more

'til then it sounds like a rumor...even if it isn't...still sounds like it



(to play Devil's Advocate, nobody believed a porn-pudding-love story either for awhile)

Are you playing devil's advocate to your own statement?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on December 03, 2009, 08:58:01 PM
It'll be interesting to see if The Master ends up being the title for this film. I don't mind it, but PDL went through a couple of different permutations and even TWBB was referred to as OIL! for a while. I also hope this is more of any original story without drawing too many parallels to Scientology's specific history as many media outlets are already beginning to assume. I'm sure whatever he cooks up will be great..Maybe he can finally get Sean Penn into a movie.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on December 03, 2009, 09:01:39 PM
oh god i hope sean penn isn't in it. i actually really like sean penn, but my patience is brimming with him and his elk these days. you know, in that team america would illustrate it best, kinda way.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on December 03, 2009, 09:38:21 PM
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/polkablues/seanpennelk.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on December 03, 2009, 09:54:30 PM
you know, in that team america would illustrate it best, kinda way.

or polka

those two elk are the biggest assholes in hollywood, i've never once seen them buy the 8-balls or pay for lap dances.

ilk* sorry :P
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Tictacbk on December 03, 2009, 11:55:22 PM
Oh man...I know my post level is low, but I've been around here for a while and its great moments like this that warrant coming out of the shadows.  I too was recently thinking its about time we get our first tidbit of info on the next PTA, and what a tidbit!  Please please please let it get greenlit. 

I'm a fan of the sister films theory.  Also excited to see PTA's take on the 1950s.  Will this take place in the LA/Valley area?

I love how much speculation has already occurred. Its going to be a long, fun (hopefully only) 2 years waiting for this.

Jeremy Blackman for Freddie.  (Or Zac Efron.)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Bethie on December 04, 2009, 12:00:02 AM
ah boy here we go boys! what are you we going to do?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: picolas on December 04, 2009, 12:14:44 AM
it sounds like the sister movie to twbb, kinda like how maggie is boogie's sister. (pdl and sydney are only childs).
for the record i forgot my theory that twbb is pdl's evil twin.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on December 04, 2009, 01:24:12 AM
oh god, this thread is going to get long. it's a shame all these classic posts will be lost in the flame wars that inevitably begin as soon as we hear the words "no score". so here, for the latecomers, is the page 5 recap, the highlights of each page of the thread so far:

page 1.
PTA pwned your main goal, GT. Another thing to add to the PTA is a fucking jerk thread.

(http://img258.yfrog.com/img258/9100/kurosawathrone.jpg)"Dood, wtf? I wanted to be the American Bresson. It was my main goal!"

(http://img708.yfrog.com/img708/1175/645734.jpg)"You snooze, you lose."

(http://img21.yfrog.com/img21/1274/miniaturedonkey0015.jpg)"lol."

stefen fucking owned GT with this riff on GT's inimitable speech style. "my main goal" is no "my story isn't decorated with blowjobs" but it was elevated to brilliance here. and then BALTHAZAR! hahaha, gotta love that donkey (RIP). really great especially among highlights such as stefen's own metal gear solid quip, and Polky's "silently judging like crazy" (<---- marquee material) which was so good silias couldn't help plagiarizing it only two pages later (a definite lowlight).

page 2.
And we start the pattern of crazy again...

1.) PTA will mention what books he was influenced by for this one.  Everyone will rush out and read them.  Love them.

2.) PTA will mention what movies he was influenced by for this one.  Everyone will rush out and see them and come back, wondering why he chose those...mild disappointment.

3.) Screenplay will slowly leak.  People will read it, come back and tell everyone it sucks, it's boring, "W the fuck?"

4.) Teaser Poster comes out... work of genius... everyone will reference it in every thread here.

5.) Teaser trailer will come out, everyone will watch it a million times, jizz all over, tell everyone that hated the screenplay to suck a D.

5.) Official Release Poster will come out.  Everyone will hate it, screenplay jerk will be all "told you so".

6.) Official trailer will come out.  Amazing.  Screenplay jerks take it back.

7.) Movie comes out... two people will hate it... everyone else loves it.  One line will get quoted over and over.

8.) That line gets so over-quoted and referenced that the people who originally started quoting it will go back and erase original posts in which they quoted said line.  Then they'll say how much they hate it when people quote that line.

9.) Brett Ratner


can't wait

RK comes through with the buzzer beater at the bottom of the page, with the succinct summary of pretty much what always happens before and after PTA news. this hilarious list pushed cronopio's comeback to a dignified second spot.

page 3
I will remember today.  

this says it all., that's exactly the reason this place is so hard to quit, who outside these freak forums would even get this excited about ANYTHING? i posted the news on my facebook like a good fanboy and only my secret internet friends replied. everyone else must be thinking "time to click hide on this guy! his lack of interest in stupid quizzes offends me!"

page 4
i actually really like sean penn, but my patience is brimming with him and his elk these days.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/polkablues/seanpennelk.jpg)

 :bravo:

maybe i can make this a running thing cos after 100 pages (next week) and lack of a search function, too much will be lost, depending on the amount of actual highlights.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on December 04, 2009, 01:25:25 AM
Oh man...I know my post level is low, but I've been around here for a while and its great moments like this that warrant coming out of the shadows.  I too was recently thinking its about time we get our first tidbit of info on the next PTA, and what a tidbit!  Please please please let it get greenlit. 

I'm a fan of the sister films theory.  Also excited to see PTA's take on the 1950s.  Will this take place in the LA/Valley area?

I love how much speculation has already occurred. Its going to be a long, fun (hopefully only) 2 years waiting for this.

Jeremy Blackman for Freddie.  (Or Zac Efron.)

INVALID POST
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Tictacbk on December 04, 2009, 01:30:12 AM
My mistake, I meant to say:

even if it's in 'Variety', I won't give a damn about this movie until we get more

'til then it sounds like a rumor...even if it isn't...still sounds like it



(to play Devil's Advocate, nobody believed a porn-pudding-love story either for awhile)

Are you playing devil's advocate to your own statement?

Yeah...wtf? Are you?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 04, 2009, 01:48:58 AM
lol@elk. oh, fuck. this thread wins.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on December 04, 2009, 02:15:03 AM
Jeremy Blackman recently

http://images.broadwayworld.com/upload/11447/blood13.jpg

When I heard about the Freddie character, I kind of just assumed a young actor, but it could be interesting with an older character too. I wonder if he'll put a bunch of songs from the 50's in? could be a cool soundtrack as long as it's not hymns and chanting and people speaking in tongues. Though I'd probably still buy it.

Does anyone know when cigarettes & red vines will be back up and running?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on December 04, 2009, 02:19:18 AM
lol oh fuck here we go, i'm not gunna live it down. hey at least i didn't change the post and took it like a champ!

I'm just gunna own it 8 mile styles
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 04, 2009, 02:24:02 AM
^haha, awesome. good sport.

And Cigs & Red Vines has been down for awhile. I think they just moved to a new site and are in the process of getting everything moved over. Hopefully this news speeds up the process.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on December 04, 2009, 02:46:58 AM
Does anyone know when cigarettes & red vines will be back up and running?

http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=7889.msg280611#msg280611
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Myxo on December 04, 2009, 05:05:48 PM
Praise the lord!

I hope as PTA gets older he starts cranking out more of his great work. It sucks to love a director so much and then find out he has Kubrickitis.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on December 04, 2009, 06:56:42 PM
I have been waiting for this news for a long, long time. I always find myself checking cigarettesandredvines (now ptanderson.info) for updates, hoping that something will come out of the woodwork. So, imagine my relief and surprise when some news finally surfaced.

I am so looking forward to learning more about this project.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: jtm on December 05, 2009, 02:58:13 AM
and the REAL master project....

Maya gave birth to their 2nd baby today.. little Lucille.

congrats, Paul!



Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on December 05, 2009, 10:58:46 AM
A month ago today, you mean.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on December 05, 2009, 01:30:41 PM
I wonder what the actual title will end up being. Surely "The Master" is too simple and Ron Howardish for a PTA joint.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on December 05, 2009, 02:42:56 PM
Awesome. Was just rewatching CM the other night, it is so funny. I think we'll get a good lot of PTA's humor in this one too. Now we get 2 years to bask in the excitement and anticipate. Awesome.

 :bravo:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on December 06, 2009, 12:23:48 AM
I wonder what the actual title will end up being. Surely "The Master" is too simple and Ron Howardish for a PTA joint.

I don't know, I like the simplicity of it, kind of like The Prestige. Of course, I'm one of the few who prefer Hard Eight to Sydney.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on December 06, 2009, 04:18:17 AM
i prefer it too.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: cine on December 07, 2009, 01:18:18 AM
its ridiculous that i see somebody say "CM" and i instantly accept that as "There Will Be Blood".
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 07, 2009, 01:42:06 AM
its ridiculous that i see somebody say "CM" and i instantly accept that as "There Will Be Blood".

haha, me too. I saw it and knew exactly what he was referring to. RIDICULOUS.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on December 07, 2009, 03:22:29 AM
Question from a newcomer:

Why do you guys refer to There Will Be Blood as 'CM'?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on December 07, 2009, 03:38:52 AM
It goes back to when we first saw the font used for the title.

(http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/09/07/there-will-be-blood-poster.jpg)

I think P said that it looked like Chere Mill Be Blood.  Since then, many on this board have referred to it as CMBB.  So when Sleepless said CM, probably most of the people on this board immediately knew what he was talking about, though I believe he is the first to just call it CM.

So there ya go.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on December 07, 2009, 05:34:27 AM
that's correct, matt35mm.

i first mentioned it after the trailer came out in june 2007 (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=7428.msg245517#msg245517), but it didn't catch on. i tried once again a few months later in reference to the awesome teaser poster above:

that's all well and excellent, but am i the only one bummed that they changed the title to "Chere Mill Be Blood"?

way to drop the ball, Paul. sheesh.


my not-so-secret admirer who had a 78.1% chance of being a dude (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10000.0) disapproved..

You used to be funny

What happened?

it was beginning to look like this gag wouldn't catch on..

i believe in this gag.  :yabbse-sad:

when ambition meets faith: Chere Mill Be Blood.


later that day, ElPandaRoyal was the first one to give me any encouragement.

I believe in it too. I LOLed.

i went as far as to start tagging pics from the movie under the new name, even if no one was noticing.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/pubrick/vidcaps/ChereMillBeBlood-dano.jpg)
my favourite scene of the movie (so far).

grand theft sparrow noticed when he quoted the picture (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=7428.msg249471#msg249471):

And wow, Pubrick, you are SERIOUSLY committed to that Chere Mill Be Blood gag.

and one day when it looked like i had turned one of my biggest M2F critics, who used it quite creatively, i thought there might be hope:

Tanks Bee Diddy

You can sniff me panties anytime

Cept when chere mill be blood

Come over sumtime and I'll show you my trailer...I call her rusty


but i had my suspicions that it would catch on beyond cross-dressing mouf breathing dudes who thankfully lived at a safe distance on the other side of the world, until a hilarious interchange between stefen and the aforementioned shemale resulted with the first use of CMBB.. (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=7428.msg249764#msg249764)

CMBB

that made my day.

after that, there was no stopping it.

as a comparison, i had no luck with CCBB (the curious case of benjamin button). but that was probably cos the movie fucking sucked.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on December 07, 2009, 07:21:34 AM
haha I PMed stefen a couple days ago to ask him what it was all about

good 'birth of a gag' story, I like the devotion in it, I think kids should look it up.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on December 07, 2009, 06:36:23 PM

later that day, ElPandaRoyal was the first one to give me any encouragement.

I believe in it too. I LOLed.

Just to let you know how much I LOLed at the time, let me tell you this: my younger brother has never seen CM (it's the only PTA flick he hasn't seen) and he doesn't know anything about XIXAX and he always refers to it as Chere Mill Be Blood. I believed in it, and I went all the way with it. Also, I'd hump P anytime. In a non gay way, of course. Only with my penis.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on December 08, 2009, 04:25:59 PM
Philip Seymour Hoffman Doesn’t Know Much About The Master
Source: NYMag

In keeping with our ongoing crusade to bring you all the latest info, pertinent or otherwise, on Paul Thomas Anderson's upcoming Philip Seymour Hoffman–starring The Master, which may or may not be about the birth Scientology, we asked Hoffman about it at last night's last night's Celebrity Charades benefit for LAByrinth Theater Company. "I really don't know much about it. If [you] know anything, [you] know more than I do," he told us, explaining that he's not yet seen a script. Is it about Scientology? we asked. To which he replied: "No idea."
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Find Your Magali on December 08, 2009, 07:47:38 PM
What? What? PSH signed off on this without seeing the script?? Even DDL saw the script for CMBB before he said yes. What is PSH thinking? What if this movie is a bunch of fart jokes and contains a CGI character called "Buddha Buddy."???
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 08, 2009, 08:24:06 PM
What? What? PSH signed off on this without seeing the script?? Even DDL saw the script for CMBB before he said yes. What is PSH thinking? What if this movie is a bunch of fart jokes and contains a CGI character called "Buddha Buddy."???

Then he's a fuggin' idiot. He's a fuggin' idiot. Fuggin' idiot, fuggin' idiot, fuggin' idiot. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ordet on December 09, 2009, 01:04:23 PM
This is great news. I like the Bresson comparison. Although Bresson preferred to work with non actors. I do get a Malick feel to it. Malick's new film Tree of life set in the 1950's as well. Anyway this is great news.

I wonder if Mumbles O'Malley will finally appear on this one?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on December 09, 2009, 01:17:09 PM
No score PSH?! :shock:

Also, how did you get a "Malick feel" to it? To the article about an unfinished script, you mean? it *might* be a little early to go throwing around comparisons since no one knows what it will be like, not even PTA.

Early excitement is warranted, of course we're all excited, but let's not get ahead of ourselves everyone here.

Oh well, I'm calling best film of 2012 (so far)!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Champion Souza on December 09, 2009, 09:14:10 PM
A long time ago I read a post, I'm pretty sure on Xixax, where a guy told his experience with scientology. It was all in point form.  The story went that scientology helped him out a lot but when he ran out of money (I think he was a student) they dumped him.

I did a site:xixax search but couldn't find it.  Does it exist? 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on December 09, 2009, 10:44:52 PM
It does, indeed.

http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=7808.msg220109#msg220109 (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=7808.msg220109#msg220109)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Champion Souza on December 09, 2009, 11:17:44 PM
It does, indeed.

http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=7808.msg220109#msg220109 (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=7808.msg220109#msg220109)


Thank you kindly.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on December 11, 2009, 10:02:35 PM
My mistake, I meant to say:

even if it's in 'Variety', I won't give a damn about this movie until we get more

'til then it sounds like a rumor...even if it isn't...still sounds like it



(to play Devil's Advocate, nobody believed a porn-pudding-love story either for awhile)

Are you playing devil's advocate to your own statement?

Yeah...wtf? Are you?

I'll be honest and say I think I was drunk when I posted that
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: tpfkabi on December 14, 2009, 10:32:01 AM
i wonder if he'll use the same second second assistant director...maybe i can get a hook up from a former Gilmer resident?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on January 12, 2010, 03:05:01 AM
Could PTA get this done by the end of the year? Most likely Dec. 2011, but we can dream, right?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on January 12, 2010, 11:06:32 AM
I asked the same question when TWBB was announced, but nah, it's not likely considering the way he works.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: tpfkabi on January 12, 2010, 02:13:50 PM
has there been any talk about when/where shooting will begin?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on January 12, 2010, 02:48:22 PM
I don't even think he's finished writing, unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on January 12, 2010, 06:30:59 PM
Not that I think it will happen and not that I want it to happen...but I've always wondered what one his movies would look like shot by another DP.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on January 12, 2010, 06:54:25 PM
I don't. I hope PTA works with Elswit for the rest of his career. They are perfect together. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on January 12, 2010, 09:44:51 PM
not the kind of heart-stopping thread revival you were hoping for huh stefen.

let me join in the "fun"... uh...... duhhh, i know he hasn't finished writing it cos otherwise it would probably be in this thread but d'uhhh whennn is he shooooooooting this? how many oscars has it won already? uhhhhh thanks.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on January 13, 2010, 04:08:37 PM
I've got my fingers crossed for no score.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on January 13, 2010, 04:28:13 PM
When the news originally came about, I was a little dumbfounded because it was the news that PTA was working on a new script. That really isn't news. Nothing was completed or certain so it seems like one of those times when a news source got hold of a story and ran with it like it was news when there are still more questions than answers about the fate of the project.

The good news is that as far as the description goes, it seems there is a decent amount already conjured in the story and Hoffmann seems willing, but the bad news is that the script is not done, there is no funding for the project and while PTA (apparently) believes the film will only cost so much money, it could end up costing more if changes are made. There Will be Blood made money, but it also made money because it was a darling on the award circuit. I think most studios understand a film like that would be hardpressed to build popular credibility again unless it struck award gold and awards are always impossible to predict.

Since PTA is the hardest person to predict as far as timelines go, I'm guessing the wait will be longer than what everyone hopes for.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on January 13, 2010, 04:44:23 PM
It's not the first movie we've started discussing before even a script was finished and it certainly won't be the last.

I think we have enough tidbits to attempt discussion.

Who's going to be the first dork to write some PTA fan fiction? My moneys on Reinhold or bigideas.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on January 13, 2010, 05:43:40 PM
It's all part of our elaborate April Fool's Day joke.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ravi on January 13, 2010, 06:22:50 PM
I don't. I hope PTA works with Elswit for the rest of his career. They are perfect together. 

You wouldn't be curious to see PTA work with, say, Roger Deakins?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on January 13, 2010, 06:39:43 PM
Nope.

Maybe Christopher Doyle, but only if Elswit wasn't available. I just think they're too good together. The days when they stop making my favorite looking films is the day they should part.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on January 13, 2010, 06:59:25 PM
I think he could still make great looking movies without Elswit. Another DP but bring something quite new and really inspired.

I don't want this to be seen as I'm in favor of dumping Elswit, especially coming off the Oscar. But I won't deny that I'd be really interested in what a PTA picture shot by a Deakins, Richardson, Spinotti, etc.. would look like.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on January 13, 2010, 07:28:59 PM
how many PTAs can dance on the head of a pin?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on January 13, 2010, 07:49:36 PM
82
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on January 13, 2010, 07:56:33 PM
lol.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Find Your Magali on January 18, 2010, 01:10:33 PM
I wonder if the movie's era and setting would lend itself to having Jack Fisk aboard again.

And I wonder if that could dovetail to a nice supporting role for Sissy Spacek, when the time comes. Would be cool to see her in PTA film.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on February 01, 2010, 08:33:40 AM
PROBABLE SPOILERS

Script Review: Untitled, by P.T. Anderson

January 31, 2010 at 8:37 pm (Film News, Script Reviews)

Heyo, I’m back. Computer is fixed and I’ve quite a few things to review (The Last Station and some classics I caught over the past week+). I’ve also gotten into the habit of reading scripts and fortunately for me, I have connections and was able to read the Untitled Scientology script by Paul Thomas Anderson. One of the few in the world, I believe, so I’m quite content with myself.

PLOT SYNOPSIS: Freddie, a young man in his mid-20s, has his appendix burst. Not very much a man too concerned for family, he found his calling in the Navy. With a burst appendix, he can no longer handle the rigorous tasks the Navy calls upon their men. Isolated and looking for his calling, Freddie becomes an alcoholic at the snap of finger; so much so that he brews his own ale — an ale so strong that, when in southern US, a poor immigrant worker drinks ‘an unbalanced quantity’, goes into convulsions and is assumed to have died while Freddie scampers away from the site.

Afraid of being caught, Freddie hops aboard the first vessel he spots. Half drunk out of his mind, half worried for his life and half looking for work, this type of calculation indicates the mess that is Freddie. Aboard the ship, a man that goes by Master (the role Philip Seymour Hoffman is set to portray) begins to guide Freddie. He asks him odd questions and tries to rid the young man of his dependencies. Master is an allegorical L. Ron Hubbard, for the curious.

Master has a family — a wife and four children (three daughters, one about to get married, and a son) — and a group of followers that adhere to everything he says. He’s also skeptical of strangers, which allows for quite a frantic… but usually composed character. It will be vastly interesting to see what Philip Seymour Hoffman does with the role — it’s his most varied and unique to date.

OVERALL IMPRESSION: The script was mashed together rather haphazardly. There’s plentiful segments that say “Insert Dialogue at a Later Date” or varients of that. The composition of it all is rather amateur as well. If one were to pick this script up, they’d assume this person had no script writing program or spell check (there are a fair share of spelling errors).

The story itself is very peculiar. There’s sexual perversion in parts, extreme moments of eccentricity from Master, lots of interesting theories about life and the purpose of it, and even some humor slighting Scientology. If one expects this story to completely laugh at Scientology, think again. It’s more demonstrative of loneliness and why someone would find solace in the least likely of religions as opposed to a flagrant foul against the belief. It’s partially jumbled in what it means to preach, script-wise, but I believe that this will all find further clarity with a the script revisions that follows and the inevitable direction of the feature.

For the lead role of Freddie, I imagined a Paul Dano type. Perhaps a little bit bulkier as one would imagine a slightly bloated gut to accompany alcoholism and a burst appendix. Someone mostly scrawny and who can play off drunkenness well will do favorably in this part. Hoffman as Master is a wicked choice — expect a second Oscar win for what he puts himself through. The rest of the cast is rather plain… it’s like a The Last King of Scotland in that sense: two major characters and everyone else just, well, there.

It reads at 124 pages. If you go the traditional minute per page, you get just over two hours. Of course, I think that’s too simply a strategy, so I go by what I feel it is. The first 10-15 pages are heavily descriptive, so I imagined them slightly longer. I figure this will be about 135 minutes long without credits. So perhaps 140 minutes overall.

FINAL WORD: Poorly written, but excellently constructed, Untitled Scientology is one of the better scripts I’ve ever read (not too big a feat, but…). In addition, it has an ending that will keep you thinking — I know it has for me, and I read it two days ago. So I suppose I’ll toss this script an 8/10. PTA’s assembling of it all might raise it to a 9 when all is said and done. Yeah, it’s good. And no, you may not have the script.

http://forizzer69.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/script-review-untitled-by-p-t-anderson/

via The Playlist: http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/02/paul-thomas-andersons-untitled.html


Is this a fake?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on February 01, 2010, 09:21:36 AM
that guy's a fucking idiot.

the only way to know if the script is legit (cos god knows this retard has no idea what he's talking about) is at the very least to see if it contains some PTA trademarks. even tho it's easy to fake, little things like when he capatlises the first letters of a key phrase, "What Can We Forgive?" that kind of thing.

the only usable bit of information to be had from this scumbag of a reviewer is that there exists a script out there and we should find it.

 if it turns out to be fake, which it may very well be, based on the evidence highlighted by theplaylist (that it has the word SCIENTOLOGY in the title --- uhh pta wouldn't be that fucking obvious), then it brings up an interesting rhetorical question: how easy is it to just post some fan fiction and watch everyone go nuts over it? better yet -- how cool is it that PTA might actually read it or have someone give him the gist of it, cos he wants to know if it really DID leak? that's awesome. he might actually steal your idea.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: hedwig on February 01, 2010, 11:27:11 AM
better yet -- how cool is it that PTA might actually read it or have someone give him the gist of it, cos he wants to know if it really DID leak? that's awesome. he might actually steal your idea.

another idea stolen.  :(

another awesome film in the making.  :)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on February 01, 2010, 01:09:43 PM
He updated the article with more details (slightly better writing) and a scan of a page from the script.

http://forizzer69.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/script-review-untitled-by-p-t-anderson/
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: picolas on February 01, 2010, 02:06:54 PM
He updated the article with more details (slightly better writing) and a scan of a page from the script.

http://forizzer69.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/script-review-untitled-by-p-t-anderson/
not sure if that scan's a big spoiler though.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on February 01, 2010, 07:11:08 PM
the scan isn't a spoiler, it's half a page out of a conversation. the information revealed has already been alluded to in his synopsis.

the dude remains a douche bag. not because he's refusing to leak the thing (LETS FIND OUR OWN COPY) but because he claims to legitimize his opinion by constantly trying to outguess PTA. his new rundown of "What PTA drives at" is completely irrelevant. he may as well hav been writing his own fan fiction. he clearly fails to understand even the basic plot of the story since everything he writes is random at best. there's just very little useful information in there.

if he didn't want to spoil anything but wanted to prove the thing is real, why not just post the first few pages? that would not only show whether this thing actually has the word "scientology" in the title - INSTANT INVALIDATION - it would also give us more adept readers of anderson a chance to see if the thing has any real trademarks. his idea of a trademark "leaves you thinking" is fucking idiotic.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on February 01, 2010, 07:14:52 PM
It's kind of like the pudding. Meh right now, but I trust PTA. Seems like its about two pretty ugly characters which I suppose TWBB was too but at least HW was there to root for.

If its real....


 When he speaks, the leaked page has 'The Master' identified as the character speaking. That can't be right. Surely the character has a name?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: forizzer69 on February 03, 2010, 12:08:42 PM
the scan isn't a spoiler, it's half a page out of a conversation. the information revealed has already been alluded to in his synopsis.

the dude remains a douche bag. not because he's refusing to leak the thing (LETS FIND OUR OWN COPY) but because he claims to legitimize his opinion by constantly trying to outguess PTA. his new rundown of "What PTA drives at" is completely irrelevant. he may as well hav been writing his own fan fiction. he clearly fails to understand even the basic plot of the story since everything he writes is random at best. there's just very little useful information in there.

if he didn't want to spoil anything but wanted to prove the thing is real, why not just post the first few pages? that would not only show whether this thing actually has the word "scientology" in the title - INSTANT INVALIDATION - it would also give us more adept readers of anderson a chance to see if the thing has any real trademarks. his idea of a trademark "leaves you thinking" is fucking idiotic.
Why hello. Um, I took a screenshot of any random page just to show that I had it. If I posted the first few pages, one would also insinuate that I would have just written that as well. It's irrelevant to post pages upon pages; people will always be skeptical.

I try to outguess him? What? No... I ascertained an impression from the story and what PTA strove to achieve in theme. That's what I took from it. Please enlighten me about your perception of said script because you seem to have it figured... which is amazing for a guy that hasn't read it.

Scientology isn't in the title. There is no title page to it. It starts off with 1952 underlined at the top of page one. The file name I got it under was, as you would have seen in the picture, UntitledScientology_Anderson. I called it UNTITLED SCIENTOLOGY for a reason.

He does leave you thinking, no? He makes you wonder what happens to his characters in their perennial story; the one that continues even after the last frame ends. There Will Be Blood, Boogie Nights and Magnolia had endings where you could speculate. Punch Drunk Love and Sydney [Hard Eight] are the two that are essentially defined with how they end. So alright "trademark" may have been too strong a word. Oh well.

And to Derek (I think that was his name) he does have a name. It's mentioned once when the police are trying to ascertain him for Tax Evasion. It's Lancaster Dodd, but he's referred to as Master by everyone at all times basically, so it makes sense to have the character named Master throughout the script because his name isn't stated until page 80.

Look, I didn't compose this review to garner any attention. Hell, I thought there were already reviews of the script somewhere on the web because if I had the script, why wouldn't other people? I was told it was rare by my good friend... I didn't think it was that rare. I only made the post to appease the dozen or two people who check out my blog daily because I hadn't had my computer for two weeks and just wanted to get back whoever was reading it. Goddamn.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on February 03, 2010, 12:10:39 PM
TWIST!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 03, 2010, 12:23:44 PM
Post it, dawg.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: forizzer69 on February 03, 2010, 12:37:18 PM
Post what? The first few pages? No... why? All that will amount to is further skepticism and people asking me to post more to prove it. Look, if people aren't willing to believe that I have it based on what I've written and posting a random page from the script; that are ardent in calling me a liar... nothing I do outside of leaking the thing will appease them. I'm just here to defend myself... it's an intoxicating frustration to see how many blog hits you're getting from a forum that essentially hates you. Gotta defend myself in some way if you guys aren't willing to post on the blog.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: martinthewarrior on February 03, 2010, 01:04:00 PM
Post what? The first few pages? No... why? All that will amount to is further skepticism and people asking me to post more to prove it. Look, if people aren't willing to believe that I have it based on what I've written and posting a random page from the script; that are ardent in calling me a liar... nothing I do outside of leaking the thing will appease them. I'm just here to defend myself... it's an intoxicating frustration to see how many blog hits you're getting from a forum that essentially hates you. Gotta defend myself in some way if you guys aren't willing to post on the blog.

I'll trade you the 'there will be blood script' for this:) Thanks for the review, it was fun to get some info on the film. Don't get too worked up, it's just the internet. Nobody hates you:)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 03, 2010, 01:25:30 PM
Look, if people aren't willing to believe that I have it based on what I've written and posting a random page from the script; that are ardent in calling me a liar... nothing I do outside of leaking the thing will appease them.

Problem solved.

Post the whole thing. If you don't, you're just a narcissistic blogger making up shit and then getting all emo when nobody believes you.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on February 03, 2010, 01:49:51 PM
Don't be such an asshole, Stefen.  This is why we don't get new members.

P is the only one who said anything negative about you, btw.  I think you're getting defensive about whether or not people believe you.  You're welcome to hang out here.  We started as a PT forum, which is why everyone is so jazzed about this screenplay.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 03, 2010, 02:55:36 PM
Don't be such an asshole, Stefen.  This is why we don't get new members.

Get the fuck outta here. I'm pretty much the only one who ever welcomes new members who come to talk film, not just to defend themselves and talk shit.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: forizzer69 on February 03, 2010, 03:59:23 PM
Problem solved.

Post the whole thing. If you don't, you're just a narcissistic blogger making up shit and then getting all emo when nobody believes you.
lol. Actually, I noticed something about the screenshot I took... the page has been scanned. The whole right side of it has a burn mark from the scanner, so you know, I can't make that kind of effect on my computer. Or are you now saying I printed that page out and scanned it?  :yabbse-grin:

Thanks Karate. Yeah, perhaps I am, but it's still frustrating. But sure, I'm probably exaggerating this in my mind. However, The Playlist and those people got on my ass too. And then a few people here. And then people commenting on my blog and a few other posts out there questioning my validity. Bleh. Anyways, thanks again for the invite. I do love me some PTA (There Will Be Blood is my favourite film, so maybe I'd get along around here, haha)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on February 03, 2010, 04:19:23 PM
LOL@page 9. Regular's prediction post didnt see it coming.

Stefers IS the friendly Walmart greeter of this joint.

forizzer69er, i appreciate your reporting, but how were you unaware that you are the only one who's reported? every other site that's reported on it reports on yours. looks like it's bloody as hell rare. i dont think even PSH has seen a copy.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on February 03, 2010, 04:51:33 PM
Not to belabor this, but I'd just like to reiterate a point P made earlier. By posting 3-4 consecutive pages, us PTA freaks will be able to determine whether the script is real or not, as no one on this planet is more versed in his style and all that is PTA than us. I fail to see what you stand to lose from doing this. We're not asking for the whole script, just a few more pages.

Also I'm not insinuating that you're lying to us. I'm sure you think it's real, but just because you're sure doesn't make it so. 

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 03, 2010, 05:01:50 PM
Basically, we're all giant PTA dorks and can spot authentic PTA'isms. If you can too then you'll fit right in.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on February 03, 2010, 06:20:40 PM
Why hello. Um, I took a screenshot of any random page just to show that I had it. If I posted the first few pages, one would also insinuate that I would have just written that as well. It's irrelevant to post pages upon pages; people will always be skeptical.

don't flatter yourself, i'm not suggesting you wrote the thing yourself, i don't think anyone could make the case for that. what needs to be seen beyond a reasonable doubt (here in the court of Xixax) is that it's not a fake written by someone who has fooled you. read what Cbrad wrote, and i did on the previous page, if you post the first few pages - the first scene let's say - it would be more revelatory and non-spoilerful than a random snippet of dialogue from the middle of the story. IF the first few pages reveal nothing, i will gladly step aside and leave the legitimacy of the script as doubtful until we source our own complete copy.

I try to outguess him? What? No... I ascertained an impression from the story and what PTA strove to achieve in theme. That's what I took from it. Please enlighten me about your perception of said script because you seem to have it figured... which is amazing for a guy that hasn't read it.

you try to outguess him by saying what he would and wouldn't do with the script. it's a draft at best, from the sounds of it, if dialogue is missing and it's full of spelling mistakes (that's normal in early drafts). your take on "what PTA drives at" is only as valid as your previous understanding of his films. since we hav nothing to go on besides a couple of comments near the end of your review, your take on his themes is pretty much irrelevant. i appreciate it's your first script review so you may not be aware there is a long history of script reviewers (especially from LatinoReviews) being completely asinine and hardly capable of analyzing a birthday card let alone a script supposedly written by one of the best.

Scientology isn't in the title. There is no title page to it. It starts off with 1952 underlined at the top of page one. The file name I got it under was, as you would have seen in the picture, UntitledScientology_Anderson. I called it UNTITLED SCIENTOLOGY for a reason.

that's really good news.

He does leave you thinking, no? He makes you wonder what happens to his characters in their perennial story; the one that continues even after the last frame ends. There Will Be Blood, Boogie Nights and Magnolia had endings where you could speculate. Punch Drunk Love and Sydney [Hard Eight] are the two that are essentially defined with how they end. So alright "trademark" may have been too strong a word. Oh well.

that's hardly a trademark of anything. this is the kind of thing i was talking about. script reviews of unproduced films should be more like REPORTS, they should leave personal opinion as far out of it as possible. what you have mistaken for a trademark is actually a HALLMARK of a good storyteller. it means that any good story should do what you describe. that's great that you noticed PTA writes good stories, and that the writer of this screenplay seems to have got that basic technique down, but it's not a trademark by any definition of the word.

PTA trademark that could be revealed in the opening pages may be:
-initial letter capitalisation of each word in a key phrase where there is dialouge.

i won't reveal anymore until i see the thing but most aficionados here should know from other scripts he's written. he doesn't change his writing style. another thing that isn't a trademark, again it's a HALLMARK, would be that the first 15 pages MUST introduce the themes of the story efficiently. the presence of that would go a long way to show that the script was at least written by a professional. but since you seem confused about the exact theme or themes of the story, apart from something as vague as "identity", it suggests this isn't a very refined script (as in by an unrefined writer) or you are not a very refined reader. the VERY first thing a writer tries to perfect is the theme, and it's done in the first 15 minutes of any film.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: forizzer69 on February 03, 2010, 09:22:29 PM
Alright, alright. I get you guys now. To P who wrote the lengthiest and most eyeopening response: Thanks, I get what you mean now. Sure, sure, I'll post 4 pages in a row to enlighten you guys on the matter and all that. I understand what you mean by leaving personal opinion out of it, but if I'm going to spend time putting together insight and a lengthy synopsis, I feel I'll devote a section to how one would interpret it. I thought the theme he was driving at was very competently construction even as a first draft. I don't imagine there'd be too many revisions because the whole religion philosophy is essential to the story; almost everything drives to what I was explaining. But perhaps I did jump the gun, but I'm in no way attempting to outguess him.

I know it's arduous if you're not looking for opinion, but there's a bit more plot unearthed in my opinion (as I'm sure you know). Plus I thought it was pretty obvious as to what he was digging at, so to explain that hardly seemed harmful. In fact I thought it would prove that I had it because there was more depth and understanding, haha. Oh and there isn't much missing, I tried to make that clear on a revision. There are only about 3 instances of him going "Add Dialogue" in menial areas, like tertiary characters speaking to one and other on a cruise. But maybe Anderson is notorious for changing a lot throughout drafts, so I wouldn't know.

To the guy that said I should have been more aware about the script's rareness/lack of reviews... well, I didn't go off and google to see. I just figured because I'm hardly anyone special that bigger and more well known people on the internet would have gotten it and read it. I know it sounds even worse of me to say this, but I had the script in my possession for a good couple of days before I 'flipped' the first page. Even if the person giving it to me got it fresh, that still would've given room for others to read and review it.

Here's a string of pages:
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x24/forizzer69/Page3.jpg)
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x24/forizzer69/Page4.jpg)
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x24/forizzer69/Page5.jpg)

There you go... make of it as you wish.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 03, 2010, 09:40:05 PM
I buy it a lot more now.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: picolas on February 04, 2010, 01:11:18 AM
whoa. BIG xaxclusive!

..quoted for no page backtracking.

Alright, alright. I get you guys now. To P who wrote the lengthiest and most eyeopening response: Thanks, I get what you mean now. Sure, sure, I'll post 4 pages in a row to enlighten you guys on the matter and all that. I understand what you mean by leaving personal opinion out of it, but if I'm going to spend time putting together insight and a lengthy synopsis, I feel I'll devote a section to how one would interpret it. I thought the theme he was driving at was very competently construction even as a first draft. I don't imagine there'd be too many revisions because the whole religion philosophy is essential to the story; almost everything drives to what I was explaining. But perhaps I did jump the gun, but I'm in no way attempting to outguess him.

I know it's arduous if you're not looking for opinion, but there's a bit more plot unearthed in my opinion (as I'm sure you know). Plus I thought it was pretty obvious as to what he was digging at, so to explain that hardly seemed harmful. In fact I thought it would prove that I had it because there was more depth and understanding, haha. Oh and there isn't much missing, I tried to make that clear on a revision. There are only about 3 instances of him going "Add Dialogue" in menial areas, like tertiary characters speaking to one and other on a cruise. But maybe Anderson is notorious for changing a lot throughout drafts, so I wouldn't know.

To the guy that said I should have been more aware about the script's rareness/lack of reviews... well, I didn't go off and google to see. I just figured because I'm hardly anyone special that bigger and more well known people on the internet would have gotten it and read it. I know it sounds even worse of me to say this, but I had the script in my possession for a good couple of days before I 'flipped' the first page. Even if the person giving it to me got it fresh, that still would've given room for others to read and review it.

Here's a string of pages:
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x24/forizzer69/Page3.jpg)
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x24/forizzer69/Page4.jpg)
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x24/forizzer69/Page5.jpg)

There you go... make of it as you wish.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on February 04, 2010, 08:02:11 AM
just in time for the 10th-page highlight reel.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on February 09, 2010, 03:56:52 PM
Now Jeffrey Wells of Hollywood-Elsewhere has his hands on the script (http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2010/02/oh_daddy.php):

(http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/febby/pta3.jpg)

Wells talks about something that is said by Hoffman's character near the end of the film in the following quote:

Quote from:
In its announcement story, Variety wrote that "the drama does not so much scrutinize self-started churches like Scientology or the Mormons, as much as it explores the need to believe in a higher power, the choice of which one to embrace and the point at which a belief system graduates into a religion."

That's a smokescreen statement. I was sent a copy of PTA's untitled script yesterday and while I haven't read all of it, it sure reads like a Scientology critique to me. I'm particularly thinking of a line near the end in which Hoffman's "Master" presents a contact that he wants Freddie to sign that stipulates he "will serve the Cause above all other laws and regulations in this or any other neighboring galaxy for three billion years." That sounds kinda Hubbardy...no?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 09, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
Can someone please get their hands on this and pass it around?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on February 09, 2010, 05:16:39 PM
there's a member called foreplayjizzer69 or something who has it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: picolas on February 09, 2010, 06:13:28 PM
fuck i kinda wish i hadn't read that line but it's pretty exciting. hopefully not too massive a spoil.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on February 09, 2010, 08:13:48 PM
In the comments section of Hollywood Elsewhere someone calls the script a fake, with nothing to back it up. Strange that there's been nothing from PTA on the leak, maybe it hasn't been widespread enough..and it is unlike him to have his work out in the world like this when there hasn't even been a greenlight yet.

That said, I'd also love to read the script if someone is able to send it to me.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 09, 2010, 08:59:58 PM
Didn't the CMBB script leak early as well?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on February 09, 2010, 09:09:28 PM
I don't think so, not as early. It was posted on the official website a few weeks before the release though.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 09, 2010, 09:20:30 PM
Didn't the CMBB script leak early as well?

I had an early draft over a year before the film was released.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on February 09, 2010, 11:23:23 PM

I had an early draft over a year before the film was released.



How similar is it to the final cut?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 09, 2010, 11:57:29 PM
I didn't read it. I just had it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on February 10, 2010, 11:15:32 AM
10th page highlights reel!

in this post, i recap the highlights from the last 5 pages.

previous entry: 5th page recap (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10940.msg284405#msg284405).

page 5
[no highlights]

page 6
pretty much the whole page was devoted to sleeper's abbreviation of CMBB to CM (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10940.msg284492#msg284492), which prompted cine to say what we were all thinking:
its ridiculous that i see somebody say "CM" and i instantly accept that as "There Will Be Blood".

which in turn prompted me to recap the entire evolution of the term (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10940.msg284558#msg284558). a useful read for newbs (or regulars who've been living under a rock of love, eg. pas).

page 7
[absolutely no highlights]

page 8
what looked to be another waste of space and time was saved at the last minute by modage posting forizzer69's script review (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10940.msg286976#msg286976)

page 9
forizzer69 blasts this page off with his introduction (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10940.msg287127#msg287127) and before the page is done he gives us our very own exclusive peek (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10940.msg287167#msg287167) at a few pages from a script of still-undertermined authenticity. definitely makes up for the snoozefest that was page 7.

page 10
foreplayjizzer69
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: forizzer69 on February 10, 2010, 05:44:18 PM
there's a member called foreplayjizzer69 or something who has it.
forizzer69. It's my old MSN name from when I was in Grade 5 or something. People kept going "forshizzle" and "rizzer" and all that Snoop Dogg slang, so I made up my own term. It stuck.

However, I see the infancy in you hasn't yet dissipated. Nice. Could you dedicate one of your fingerpaintings to me?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 10, 2010, 06:58:40 PM
Gimme a copy of the script and I'll pwn every single person in this board for you.

Sorry, guys. I know we've been posting together for going on 7 years but you would do the same.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Convael on February 10, 2010, 11:19:50 PM
I didn't read it. I just had it.
If you still have it could I see it?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 11, 2010, 04:11:41 AM
I would send it to you, but don't have it anymore.

But that should not stop you from getting it. Does anyone here have that famous 2005 draft that was floating around? I know lots of people had it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on February 13, 2010, 10:02:33 AM
One of the recent comments responding to cigarettesandredvines (http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2010/02/master-first-screenplay-review.html)' post about the script:

Quote
I just thought of the One Act show that PT wrote/directed/staged at Largo in 2008. I'd completely forgotten there was a Scientology-themed sketch-- really funny take on a stress/personality test (aka audit). Clearly this is something he's been interested in for a bit. (ahem, 1999?)

I really wish I could see the Largo show...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: picolas on February 13, 2010, 10:25:06 PM
i thought the new pages might be playlist-worthy so i had some correspondence.. they didn't write a story about it but have gotten hold of the script:

i have the script now. it seems legit. why would anyone go to the trouble to make a fake of it?
and yes, it's a thinly veiled.... maybe not attack, but it's certainly about the nascent beginnings of Scientology.

It does feel like a first draft and is a bit rough around the edges.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on February 14, 2010, 02:24:28 AM
I can't wait until PTA starts talking about the film.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on February 14, 2010, 04:26:44 PM
Not that I'm complaining, because he is my favorite filmmaker...but it seems he's explored the older man/younger man theme pretty thoroughly in 4 out of 5 films already hasn't he? I know, you can make the argument that he's looking at it from a new angle or fresh perspective. But that would be semantics.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: classical gas on February 14, 2010, 04:38:51 PM
yeah, but all the best do that.  i like finding common themes in director's films, it gives them more of an identity.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: picolas on February 17, 2010, 03:44:10 PM
theplaylist.blogspot.com

(xixax gets a shout out in the hyperlinked version when they mention message boards/pta zealots)

An In-Depth Look At Paul Thomas Anderson's 'The Master' Religious Cult Screenplay

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb52/The_Playlist/movies/paul-thomas-anderon-themasters-hoff.jpg)

A script purporting to be Paul Thomas Anderson's untitled new drama, which centers around religion — affectionately being dubbed "The Master" by many — has been making the rounds.

Let us reassure you. It's very real.

However, due to one relatively incoherent review on the The Cinematic Experience of Forizzer (that's since been cleaned up, but still wantonly rambles), and then the subsequent leaker (Forizzer), desperately trying to prove its authenticity on various message boards by posting pages from the script, it's legitimacy has been called into question (the whole doth protest too much catch 22). Other skeptics taking a too-literal look at the initial trade reports, are also calling his review apocryphal because the script in question was dubbed the "Untitled Scientology Project" and the trades explicitly stated in the announcement that the film wasn't about Scientology.

But let's assure you, that's a red herring. While "The Master" (as we'll call it here for the purposes of this review) is perhaps not a out-and-out screed or attack on Scientology, not recognizing the strong, strong ties, allusions and specific references to that cult religion is itself, is either blindness or ignorance (though to be fair, PTA zealots have nitpicked the hell out of Forrizer's message board defense posts — though again a doth-protest-too-much defense will backfire).

We would be worried about spoilers and revealing too much if it weren't for the fact that this version of "The Master" is a very, very early draft — there's a litany of spelling errors and abbreviated scenes with "tbd" or "etc." written in as placeholder for where more context and description will soon come.

However, so much is laid down, so much fleshed out, and all with that hurried pace that can be so compelling about Paul Thomas Anderson films. It careens a little in the beginning, wanting to establish a lot in a short amount of time (i.e. the opening of "Magnolia," though not quite as lightning fast), but it's clearly his voice and work. No other yokel out there can write a fake 124-page screenplay and be this precise or good.

As for the Scientology ties, they've been evidently brewing for quite some time now. You'll remember in August 2008, PTA put on a top secret play at Largo that starred his wife, Maya Rudolph and her SNL c0-star Fred Armisen. The play centered on a series of vignettes and one in particular focused on a couple, "getting to know each other over a complicated personality test." What many people didn't realize at the time is that personality test questions were taken from what is known as the Oxford Capacity Analysis, a free personality test that is given by the Church of Scientology (and that's been confirmed in the comments section here by someone actually in attendance at the Largo show).

While people have been ravenous for details and what the picture was exactly about, Variety spelled out the picture quite well when they first reported the story and said it, "explores the need to believe in a higher power, the choice of which to embrace, and the point at which a belief system graduates into a religion." And that's on the money with themes of sublimation of self, lack of identity and perverted ideas of solipsism.

Using their initial description, we'll give you a modified synopsis:
“The Master” is the story of a charismatic intellectual (Philip Seymour Hoffman) who hatches a faith-based organization that begins to catch on in America in 1952 called The Cause. The core dynamic centers on the relationship between The Master and Freddie Sutton, (Paul Dano) an aimless twenty-something drifter and alcoholic who eventually becomes the leader’s loyal lieutenant. As the faith begins to gain a fervent following, Freddie finds himself questioning the belief system he has embraced, and his mentor.
Here's your first clue. Scientology was founded in 1954. A significant chunk of the screenplay takes place on a boat so "The Master" is free to write his next cult tome (Book II, "The Dual Saber") and not be distracted by the outside world and the criticisms that are constantly dogging The Cause. And similarly in in the late '60s, L. Ron Hubbard also lived on a Panamanian ship for quite some time and allegedly up to four years. The references are myriad.

So "The Master" essentially starts when an aimless Freddie — an amateur moonshine alchemist who is on his way to drinking himself to an early death if he continues this way— stows away on a ship after a toxic mix of his brew accidentally blinds a Filipino migrant worker he is toiling away with on a farm. Fearing he has potentially killed the man, Freddie's instincts are nothing but basic survival (another recurring theme in the screenplay) and aggressively drunk himself, he reaches for the first form of escape.

The ship however is the aforementioned vessel of the Master and the followers of The Cause including his children Mary-Sue (the name of of one of L. Ron Hubbard's wives), Norman Conrad, Elizabeth and the faith-wavering son Val (to further the connections, L. Ron Hubbard Jr. also condemned his father and the church in a 1983 Penthouse interview, though Val is nowhere near as traitorous).

Instantly discovered on the ship by the close-knit cult, Freddie's drink is drugged and then he's interrogated by the highly paranoid Master who wants to know who sent him to spy on their community: The AMA? The APA? The CIA? (This paranoia would not be unfounded by L. Ron Hubbard, in 1977, Scientology offices on both coasts were raided by the agency). This tête-à-tête is one of many excellent back-and-fourths scenes between Master and Freddie. Run how we imagine a Scientology "audit" session is run — a sort of quasi psychotherapy stress test cum interrogation/ authoritative hypnosis via repetition session — the scene is a series of rapid-fire, bare bones question and answers.

Freddie, the skeptic, answers truthfully and reveals much in near grunts. The Master, establishes his dominance and genius and wields a bumbling, word-heavy, lyrical style of speaking. Anderson is so talented in building his characters through dialogue, giving them quirks of speech, misspelling words to emphasize accent. Here, Anderson, barely, if at all, writes action lines. It's all dialogue and nothing else for a few pages (this may also be because of how early a draft this is).

Freddie reveals some personal darkness from his past and the Master — perhaps sensing guinea pig possibilities — gets hooked. After making sure as best he can that the young stow-way isn't some spy or a thief after the renaissance man's secret manuscripts (he calls himself a doctor, a writer, a philosopher, apoet, etc.), he welcomes Freddie into the fold, impressed by his blunt instinct, and talents for making tasty homemade liquor. And the Master — believing they had met in a previous life — takes a shine to his "scoundrel" ways. Cynical, bemused and completely weirded-out, Freddie is introduced to the ways of the cause, the concepts of "time-holes," the interrogation-like psychotherapy sessions and regression work that's supposed to transport us back into our earliest memories of suffering in order to banish and own them (a very basic tenet of Scientology). "Shall a man be his master of his memories? Or shall his memories be the master?" Seymour Hoffman's character posits at one point.

For those that worry about spoilers that leads us up to about the end of the first act and many of these details would be in one of those detailed Apple trailer synopsis that are about three paragraphs deep.

Suffice to say, in what seems like a story that spans over a decade — though it's tough to say exactly how long — Freddie graduates from a naive dilettante to a trusted right hand man who does the Master's bidding and often uses intimidation tactics. The story, in a way, is the battle for Freddie's soul which has been seduced by the dark charms of the master, but even that is far too simple a description to this layered, mysterious and at times very ambiguous tale.

The key to "The Master," and what might make it a difficult sell, is not its story — in many ways like "There Will Be Blood" not a lot happens plot-wise, there are few "big" scenes — but its odd enigmatic tenor which are not unlike those moments in "There Will Be Blood" where mystery and purposeful uncertainty rule (think the sequences where we're unsure whether Dano has a twin or not, or whether the man claiming he is Plainview's brother is actually who he says he is). And again, like 'Blood' which used Upton Sinclair's "Oil!" as a starting off point,' "The Master' screenplay seems to use Scientology in the same manner to examine and explore cults and megalomania.

The tenebrous enigmatic story does have strange, noteworthy and twisted scenes of sex, incest, polygamy, adultery and wild flashes of rancor from the Master that Daniel Plainview himself would be proud of. PTA seems to have seized upon dark, spiritual forces at work in recent years and Messianic figures. From the plague of frogs in "Magnolia," to the raging hubris of Daniel Plainview and The Master, he is clearing exploring spiritual themes and men with a God complex. One hypnosis-like scene where a woman regresses to a pre-natal time when she is back in the womb and remembers her father having sex with her mother is particularly creepy and striking.

Universal apparently won't greenlight this approximately $35-million-dollar budgeted project until they read the script and you can see why. In many ways, it's a film with a more twisted mien than "Doubt," but just as low-ley and with small stakes. Then again 'Blood' had a similar vibe on the page, but boiled over into something much more operatic thanks to the eerie score and the volatile electricity of Daniel Day Lewis.

Still, Universal won't be greenlighting this version, but it's probable that no on was meant to see this draft yet. If intelligent dramas are being threatened with extinction of late (or at least at a certain budget), surely this could become a problem for PTA eventually. But more than just a chamber drama, the shadowy and cryptic elements of this story could be pushed in the marketing — sort of like 'TWWB' to suggest something otherworldly and not just a period piece about religion set in the '50s.

What one comes away with during "The Master" is that PTA's a damn confident writer. He has a great deal of faith in his audience to either get-it or at least hang on for a deeper-than-usual ride the gets stranger and odder as the film comes to its conclusion. There's eloquence in the loopy metaphors of the master's monologues. It's like his determination to tell the story becomes part of the momentum or heartbeat of his films.

"You write who you are and what you know," PTA told Moviemaker magazine in 2000. "But you also cheat and you write what you want to be. It’s a little embarrassing, sometimes, to be the guy that made the movie, knowing that I’m not exactly what I want to be."

Need a little emotional and spiritual guidance in your life? "The Master" suggests that The Cause can help you help yourself. — [with additional script notes by Andrew Hart and graphics courtesy of M. Morrison]
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on February 17, 2010, 03:56:08 PM
That was AWESOME. 

I'm not sure why the Playlist lists Dano in the synopsis, but one of the commenters says "I don't think he was/is. Everything I've heard is that an offer is out to [Jeremy] Renner."
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: picolas on February 17, 2010, 04:42:28 PM
that's much more exciting.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 17, 2010, 04:58:44 PM
Were they making fun of us?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on February 17, 2010, 07:58:33 PM
The tenebrous enigmatic story does have strange, noteworthy and twisted scenes of sex, incest, polygamy, adultery and wild flashes of rancor from the Master that Daniel Plainview himself would be proud of. PTA seems to have seized upon dark, spiritual forces at work in recent years and Messianic figures. From the plague of frogs in "Magnolia," to the raging hubris of Daniel Plainview and The Master, he is clearing exploring spiritual themes and men with a God complex. One hypnosis-like scene where a woman regresses to a pre-natal time when she is back in the womb and remembers her father having sex with her mother is particularly creepy and striking.

 :shock:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on February 17, 2010, 08:07:42 PM
Were they making fun of us?

oh definitely. but they really have it in for Forizzer69. they just be hatin cos he got the scoop first.

they can't honestly fault anyone for being a shit writer considering their constant misspellings, even of abbreviations! "TWWB".

otherwise great synopsis and script review. they go on a bit about the plot but that's not gonna prove anything. what i'm interested in is the content, the themes, and key phrases. they provide ONE crucial bit of dialogue which more than anything else confirms that this is the work of PTA, it's almost too perfectly PTA:

Quote
"Shall a man be his master of his memories? Or shall his memories be the master?" Seymour Hoffman's character posits at one point.


this is clearly a variation on "we may be through with the past.." and in general the idea of the past affecting the present, while the present is majorly concerned with the idea of trying to begin again! this bit of dialogue is actually really amazing and likely to be pivotal in understanding the film. it makes clear the scope of the film since it deals with spiritual themes and good old redemption, the master obviously does not refer only to the leader of the cult but to the leader of mankind. it concerns itself with finding the very first thing that needs to be overcome, that has been done in previous PTA films as i talked about in my primer thread, but in this case the idea of "first thing" has evolved to "most basic, fundamental thing" that is put in front of us that needs to be overcome after which we will better know ourselves. the idea of identity is not just a "who am i, who was my father" but rather who are WE. the quick firing questions and "grunt like" responses of Freddie signal an attempt to break through to the most primal response, which Freddie is fully in touch with as the script also alludes to his survival instinct.

but it's not just survival in the darwinian sense, but the evolution of a much more pertinent thing that lies at the core of PTA's approach to understanding of self and the world, that is the evolutionary miracle of language. the best review/analysis of CMBB that i ever read focussed on the use of language by the characters and the POWER of the words Plainview spoke, obviously bluntly confronted when his son went deaf. that only estbalishes precedent so i don't sound like i'm making shit up. this time The Master has wielded a similar ability to control language and the Q&A confrontation described, among others i'm sure, but especially this one in the first act seem to set up Freddie as primal in the sense of his naivety but also in his formation of his basic foundation of being a human.

the other thing which makes sense from this perspective is the allusion and direct presentation of extreme sexual imagery.. the descriptions of incest and especially the idea of a woman being inside her mother as she is conceived take the idea of primordial exploration to amazing territory. expect some really advanced theory in this film. there is no reason to assume PTA is just repeating himself, as with every film he has only developed the themes he explored before. this could never be a complaint since he has presented each film in a completely different way, short of pulling a kubrick and masking his repetition of theme under new genres, the reason he continues to hammer on the same themes is because he has found something greater beneath his previous meditations. he's trying to drill a deeper well with each film, and his loyalty, devout adherence to his belief that he's on the right track is what's creating such amazing original and profound works.


Boogie - Strangelove
Maggie - 2001
PDL - a very faint Clork (a different kind of rage, in the final scene he "was cured alright")
CMBB - skipped most of Barryndon and went straight for The Shin.
The Master MUST be FMJ.. by way of The Shin if "time-holes" has anything to do with it. and possibly by way of missing elements of Barryndon


the difference between pta and kubrick i think is that kubrick took longer to react, by the time he showed his hand the moment had passed, which gave him both 20/20 vision - he presented his ideas with total and impeccable clarity - but it also gave it that cold feeling ppl are always trying to describe. pta is calling it as he sees it. his faster reaction makes his films the equivalent of Freddie's grunts but his grunts are in fact extremely eloquent.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 18, 2010, 05:32:13 AM
Yea, description of some key scenes in this project are fascinating. Paul Thomas Anderson can approach them in two different ways. One way would be to create a visual identity for the whole story that makes those scenes feel seamless in the film. Earlier examples of a film making its visuals feel incorporated and whole would be 2001. Of course the Master would have to exist on a different visual plane, but PTA would try to make the disturbing scenes feel integrated into the psyche of the story.

The other route would be what Pedro Almodóvar often does and that is create little short films for explicit and disturbing scenes that feel separate from the rest of the story. This approach has advantages in that it breaks up the flow of the film and takes the audience out of a comfort level. Nobody expected a rape sequence to look like what it does in Talk to Her, but PTA could create some visual vignettes within his film. It would be a different route for him.

The better guess is that PTA heads toward the former option. If anything, his progress since Magnolia has been that he's taking tonal features in storytelling more seriously. Punch Drunk Love and There Will be Blood have visual unity to them that actually makes Boogie Nights and Magnolia feel like they were done by a different filmmaker. Boogie Nights is a mosaic of visual constructions while Magnolia is an attempt at some visual unity, but the story has highs and lows that offset the tonal unity. Plus it contrasts too many quiet scenes of little style with wild scenes of high visual style.

Also the former option exhibits the greater challenge. Films like 2001 make wild visual scenes easy to believe because a person's mindset is already accepting the fantastic with a space story, but the Master would have to create a new visual reality when the majority of the story is based in reality. At first thought, it seems daunting to believe Anderson can create a style that makes a pre birth sex scene feel logical to the tone and mindset of the story. The exciting thing is that the Master presents a lot more wild ideas to make rational for artistic expression than anything in his other films.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: md on February 18, 2010, 03:52:55 PM
I can't wait until PTA starts talking about the film.
Don't hold your breathe
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on February 19, 2010, 01:05:54 AM
I can't wait until PTA starts talking about the film.
Don't hold your breathe

Oh, it's bound to happen sooner or later.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on February 19, 2010, 08:58:30 AM
When is he appearing on the Henry Rollins show to say he's about to start fliming?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 19, 2010, 10:03:41 AM
lol.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on February 19, 2010, 08:40:03 PM
When is he appearing on the Henry Rollins show to say he's about to start fliming?

"Penderecki?!"
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on February 25, 2010, 08:56:02 PM
A few websites including slashfilm are touting Jeremy Renner as in contention for Freddie. As per the character description, he's a bit old, but if it could be re-written to fit, I think I'd prefer him to Dano.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on February 26, 2010, 09:40:12 AM
Arff... maybe not Dano, but definitely not Renner either. Too old, too strong looking.

The more I think of it the more Dano's a good match, but I'm not sure if I want to see him again.

Who's the Xixax pick??
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on February 26, 2010, 10:32:20 AM
Has anyone here read the script?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: New Feeling on February 26, 2010, 01:18:37 PM
please god anyone but Dano
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I Love a Magician on February 27, 2010, 12:15:18 AM
how about zach galifinakis
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: New Feeling on February 27, 2010, 01:37:25 AM
I don't know if that was a joke but sounds better to me. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on February 27, 2010, 09:00:49 AM
The best part of this movie will be Mary Hart and Billy Bush's penetrating questions to celebrity scientologists on the red carpet.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on March 05, 2010, 02:28:18 PM
Rumor: Jeremy Renner To Appear In Paul Thomas Anderson's Scientology Film 'The Master'?
Source: ThePlaylist

File this under rumor if you like, but the buzz and noise about this has become too deafening to ignore.

It all started in the comments section of our script review of Paul Thomas Anderson's gestating and untitled Scientology project, though called the "The Master" in some circles for shorthand. We posited that Paul Dano might be a good fit for the Freddie, a young, naive, misguided and semi-alcoholic youth in his '20s who slowly becomes mentored by The Master (Philip Seymour Hoffman has this role according to Variety). Some readers took that to believe we had some sort of inside information there, and things began to snowball.

In the comments section an Anon says "when was Paul Dano confirmed to be in this??" which is followed up by another Anon post, "I don't think he was/is. Everything I've heard is that an offer is out to Jeremy Renner." We normally wouldn't pay attention to this, but right around the same, Jeremy Renner revealed to the NY Times, that he had taken five meetings already on a "secret project" he was unable to talk about. We took pause at that, but Movieline and Cinematical definitely started to speculate, pointed to our comments section and lo, and behold the rumor began taking some real shape.

It's been two weeks now, and the rumors have quietly, but substantially persisting. An Anon poster on IMDB says what we too have heard: that Renner has met with Paul Thomas Anderson several times, but that Anderson is not convinced that Renner is right for the role. Age is the factor here as Freddie is supposed to be in his '20s, and Renner is 39. And yes, they note our comments section could have just spiraled this out of control, but we've heard this from a number of different sources and are frankly surprised someone like Deadline hasn't caught wind of it yet. Furthermore, a source in L.A. confirms to us that Renner has met with Anderson, but cannot say more.

It could all add up to nothing, but our gut tells us this is something that we shouldn't not ignore. We're also betting if he doesn't get the role — in our minds, as much as we love him, he probably shouldn't, he is too old for it— it will at least come out after the fact that he was in the running.

But as the script that has circulated for "The Master" is still a very early draft, some may wonder if Anderson might rework the role, aging the character slightly to match the 39 year-old Renner. We think that it's a slight possibility, but pretty much doubt it will happen. Freddie is a lost soul on the run, who needs a bit of guidance which makes it far easier for him to come under The Master's spell. And while a cult figure like The Master can weave his spell on anyone, of any age, that has fallen on hard times, in a film, it's probably a much easier and more dramatic sell if that character is younger. Simply put, we don't see Freddie being rewritten as older. It could work, we suppose, but we like the way it was written. It feels right.

Aside from The Master and Freddie, the other major characters are the Master's fiercely protective daughters and that's about it. There is a minor role of The Master's son, but it's so small, we don't see Renner being interested.

The only other possibility, is that Philip Seymour Hoffman is out and that Renner is eyeing the lead role, but again, we highly doubt that. The role is written for someone who already has adult children in their '20s and '30s and while Hoffman is only a few years older than Renner, he can play older a lot more convincingly.

As Renner said to the New York Times, a decision will need to be made soon as he's also eyeing a role in Peter Berg's "Battleship" and both films are aiming for summer shoots. That said, as far as we know, Anderson's film is still awaiting a greenlight from Universal who will need to approve the finished script so its possible that "The Master" might start at a later date depending on when all the pieces fall into place.

So yes, consider this rumor now if you like, but expect to hear some kind of news soon.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on March 05, 2010, 05:28:17 PM
well, he could easily be talking/auditioning/whatever for ANOTHER role that is not da mastah or feddie, unless this movie has only two characters.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: JG on March 05, 2010, 09:25:17 PM
Rumor: Jeremy Renner To Appear In Paul Thomas Anderson's Scientology Film 'The Master'?
Source: ThePlaylist

...
It could all add up to nothing, but our gut tells us this is something that we shouldn't not ignore. We're also betting if he doesn't get the role — in our minds, as much as we love him, he probably shouldn't, he is too old for it— it will at least come out after the fact that he was in the running.

But as the script that has circulated for "The Master" is still a very early draft, some may wonder if Anderson might rework the role, aging the character slightly to match the 39 year-old Renner. We think that it's a slight possibility, but pretty much doubt it will happen. Freddie is a lost soul on the run, who needs a bit of guidance which makes it far easier for him to come under The Master's spell. And while a cult figure like The Master can weave his spell on anyone, of any age, that has fallen on hard times, in a film, it's probably a much easier and more dramatic sell if that character is younger. Simply put, we don't see Freddie being rewritten as older. It could work, we suppose, but we like the way it was written. It feels right.

Aside from The Master and Freddie, the other major characters are the Master's fiercely protective daughters and that's about it. There is a minor role of The Master's son, but it's so small, we don't see Renner being interested.

The only other possibility, is that Philip Seymour Hoffman is out and that Renner is eyeing the lead role, but again, we highly doubt that. The role is written for someone who already has adult children in their '20s and '30s and while Hoffman is only a few years older than Renner, he can play older a lot more convincingly.
...

did anyone else find the use of "we" particularly cloying here? ladies and gentlemen, the people at ThePlaylist:

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Title: Re: The Master
Post by: children with angels on March 06, 2010, 04:32:26 AM
Particularly the troubling reference to "our gut".

On the news: something about this does make sense. He somehow has the right face for a PTA movie, and the ability to do wounded and/or histrionic - often a course requirement.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on March 06, 2010, 02:51:10 PM
It doesn't seem like PTA to simply cast whoever is hot at the moment. Maybe in order to get financing he does.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: children with angels on March 06, 2010, 10:11:11 PM
Dano was pretty hot after Little Miss Sunshine. And this guy isn't Robert Pattinson-esque guaranteed-audience kind of hot: he's just been noticed  by some critics and awards-mongers.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Convael on March 07, 2010, 02:39:47 PM
It doesn't seem like PTA to simply cast whoever is hot at the moment. Maybe in order to get financing he does.
I can't see him ever compromising for money considering the hell he went through to get Hard Eight financed (and could have gotten it financed much quicker if he picked different actors/let someone else direct), and that was when he was still a nobody and didn't have any of the money he has now to cushion him.

Sorry to be off topic but I'll ask again if anyone has the original TWBB script and if they could possibly send it to me?  Thanks.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on March 08, 2010, 12:14:41 AM
It doesn't seem like PTA to simply cast whoever is hot at the moment. Maybe in order to get financing he does.

you must have Jeremy Renner confused with someone who anyone has ever heard of.

and PTA with a fucking hack.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on March 16, 2010, 08:12:16 PM
Confirmed: Jeremy Renner Circling PTA Scientology Project; Universal Passes On Film
Source: ThePlaylist

As we first reported a few weeks ago, Deadline Hollywood confirms that Jeremy Renner is circling a role in Paul Thomas Anderson's gestating, to-be-titled Scientology film. As we assumed, it appears that Renner is indeed being considered for the role of Freddie, the young drifter who is becomes apprentice to The Master (Philip Seymour Hoffman). In many ways it was the worst kept secret in Hollywood that Renner and PTA had been talking, but it's only now that their discussions have been confirmed.

It's an intriguing development as in the early draft of the script that's currently making the rounds, Freddie is supposed to be in his '20s and in need of guidance and direction, having hit rock bottom with wanton alcoholism. With Renner nearing 40 years old, it's anybody's guess whether or not the script will be tweaked to play closer to his age. We're curious to see how this changes the script (or not). And just remember, this isn't confirmation he's taking the role yet. There's been salient conversations that PTA was resistant to Renner at first specifically because of his age. The character is supposed to be young and impressionable, which makes him open to manipulation and following the word of this self-made godhead, but that doesn't mean it can't be tweaked. It will be interesting to see how it all turns out. After all the script that is floating out there is a very early draft.

The other major development is that Universal has gotten cold feet, passing on the project and its $35 million budget. PTA fans have no need to fear as production company River Road is in serious talks to foot the bill. The company has been a haven for auteurs of late, funding Terrence Malick's "Tree Of Life" and Doug Liman's "Fair Game." Honcho Bill Pohlad is also an investor in distributor Apparition, so don't be surprised if the film ends up there. Longtime Anderson collaborators John Lesher and JoAnne Seller are expected to come on board to produce.

Reading between the lines, it appears the film is being shopped around as package which leads us believe that once the film finds a home, Renner will officially be on board. At the very least, we hope it gets him out of starring in "Battleship."
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on March 16, 2010, 08:50:24 PM
Jeremy Renner is Mickey Rooney gone action star for me. Liked him since SWAT and really liked him in Hurt Locker. If they can hide the wrinkles in his face, he'll be very good for this. I think there are more acting chops in him than Dano.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on March 16, 2010, 09:30:37 PM
i don't see any reason why Renner would be auditioning for a part from the leaked script. the original draft of CMBB was about two warring families. could this be as early a draft as that? PTA could change the whole story or add new characters. there's no reason to try to imagine Renner as a 20yr old guy.

also, i don't like how this film is being known as "the scientology film".

it's time to start preparing for PTA's backlash/downfall. by this i mean the point in his career where he becomes too good for critics or the general public to understand what he's doing. he's actually been this way since he began but ppl somehow kept up with him. i think we're coming to the Barry Lyndon part of his career where everything he does onwards will be completely misunderstood, underrated, and looked over. Barry Lyndon was characterised as "kubrick's period piece" and that was all -- but it was THE MOST REALISTIC thing he has ever done, he illuminated a world lost to darkness, he reanimated corpses, he made statues come to life. everything afterwards was misunderstood and spoken of in the same "missing the point" kinda way.. the shining "that's just his horror film.. ooh scary" -- it was, as we all know, SO - MUCH - MORE than that.

of course this has always happened to many great movies since forever but the difference is that most directors never try any harder than what everyone expects of them. it started with Magnolia that he made a decision to expect a LOT from his audience. the film is generally thought of as the epitome of his "altman-esque" period.. he musta become SICK of this under-reading of his work so he did the opposite with PDL. irony of course is the Altman-esque elements in the story with the pivotal use of "he needs me". with that song and its usage PTA was acknowledging quite consciously the debt he owes to his influences, he needs his past as much as he needs to find something new. and so PDL became known as just a "sandler movie", undersold, misunderstood.. everyone generally missed the point.

CMBB is the biggest case of everyone missing the point so far. the film quickly became known as "an american classic about GREED and OIL" ok the book was called OIL but the film is as much concerned with that macguffin as it is with being a faithful adaptation of its supposed source material -- NOT VERY MUCH AT ALL. PTA's idea of adaptation is sophisticated, it isn't about the book but the information he got from it. he is just paying respect to the book as much as he was paying respect to altman in PDL. he can't escape his past or the origin of his ideas. but OIL and GREED wasn't the point. neither was Capitalism. these are all buzzwords that ppl use to try to contain what seems like a sprawling and unwieldy work. the problem is that no one tries to go much further than that.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: hedwig on March 16, 2010, 11:24:58 PM
hey pubrick, maybe stop posting your personal thoughts.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I Love a Magician on March 16, 2010, 11:35:26 PM
nah don't
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on March 16, 2010, 11:36:41 PM
and now i kill myself.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/pubrick/n779185077_270.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on March 17, 2010, 12:30:28 PM
Paul Thomas Anderson Talking Religion With Philip Seymour Hoffman And Jeremy Renner
By MIKE FLEMING | Tuesday March 16, 2010 @ 6:28pm EST
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EXCLUSIVE: After the disappointing box office returns on Paul Greengrass’s thoughtful but vastly expensive action polemic Green Zone, what’s gonna happen with a new Paul Thomas Anderson drama that won’t get made by Universal because of its $35 million budget? I’m hearing talks are serious for Bill Pohlad’s River Road to fully finance a film that will star Philip Seymour Hoffman as a charismatic intellectual who in the 1950s becomes the leader of a start-up religion that takes off like wildfire. The Hurt Locker’s Jeremy Renner is circling the role of a young drifter who becomes his right hand man but begins to question his mentor and the whole belief thing. The presence of Oscar winner Hoffman and Oscar nominee Renner gives PTA another Oscar-bait movie, and a topical one, as the storyline questions long established religions as well as comparative upstarts like Scientology and Mormonism. But the $35 million price tag was blasphemy to some indie distributors who considered the package.

Jeremy Renner-7I’m also hearing that PTA’s longtime agent and former Paramount honcho John Lesher is likely to join as producer alongside Anderson’s longtime collaborator, Jo Anne Sellar. River Road seems a strong fit, given Pohlad's affection for auteur fare. He made possible the Terrence Malick-directed The Tree of Life with Brad Pitt and Sean Penn, as well as the Warner Bros castoff Fair Game, the Doug Liman-directed drama about outed CIA op Valerie Plame which stars Penn and Noami Watts. Pohlad is principal investor and partner with Bob Berney in the distribution shingle Apparition. It's unclear if Berney will get the PTA film, though it seems right in the distributor's wheelhouse. Apparition next distributes The Runaways for Pohlad.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on March 17, 2010, 12:37:43 PM
I have a similar hunch (spelling?) as you do P...

by this i mean the point in his career where he becomes too good for critics or the general public to understand what he's doing.

I didn't know that Pohlad guy but if he let Malick do that crazy awesome Imax prologue thing to The Tree of Life he looks like a pretty sweet backer for PTA.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on March 17, 2010, 02:22:22 PM
CMBB is the biggest case of everyone missing the point so far. the film quickly became known as "an american classic about GREED and OIL" ok the book was called OIL but the film is as much concerned with that macguffin as it is with being a faithful adaptation of its supposed source material -- NOT VERY MUCH AT ALL. PTA's idea of adaptation is sophisticated, it isn't about the book but the information he got from it. he is just paying respect to the book as much as he was paying respect to altman in PDL. he can't escape his past or the origin of his ideas. but OIL and GREED wasn't the point. neither was Capitalism. these are all buzzwords that ppl use to try to contain what seems like a sprawling and unwieldy work. the problem is that no one tries to go much further than that.

I love these comparisons you do with kubrick's work, and the 'adaptation' of oil makes chere mill even more alike to the shining than it already was.

the opening - seeing that hill reminded me a lot of TS, of course the music is key to this. although one could argue that the first 20 minutes of cmbb are more like 2001's dawn of man sequence.

music - greenwood channeling penderecki and bartok only resulted in one of the most original soundtracks ever, it blended with the film beautifully.

the mansion - the overlook. and just like jack was locked at that isolated place, here even thou it's no prison, plainview looks like an isolated mad man that has no place to go.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Alexandro on March 17, 2010, 02:40:11 PM
yes, there's enough evidence from PTA himself and collaborators talking about the huge Kubrick influence in there will be blood. you may say Kubrick has a huge influence on everyone but there are only two other filmmakers who have done it so shamelessly and perfectly: the coens.

comparing both careers (PTA and Kubrick) though, I certainly hope that he can be at least one movie away from his "Barry Lyndon".
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on March 17, 2010, 02:50:40 PM
I only see a slim influence between Kubrick and PTA, especially in There Will Be Blood. In some ways, he embraces the tonal nature of Kubrick with some of style choices, but in other ways he embraces a lot of the naturalistic aspects that feel like hallmarks of Altman and other 1970s filmmakers. One could argue PTA is becoming the best marriage between both of those filmmaking worlds because when Kubrick was making films in the 70s and 80s, he was already planted in financial acceptance and seen on a different level by other filmmakers who were struggling to just get their next projects greenlit. If anything, Kubrick was showing his age by being more influenced by 1950s and 60s styles and only minimally embracing new aesthetics of the 1970s.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on March 17, 2010, 07:24:22 PM
The B.O. of The Green Zone has a direct impact on the greenlight of this. That's wonderful.

People still call it CMBB three years on....that's very cute!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Marty McSuperfly on March 22, 2010, 04:31:05 AM
Dunno if anyone's interested (or if this is even allowed) but the script can be downloaded here...

http://www.mediafire.com/?dzmmjueoz2v

I'm not going to read it until after I see the film, but I know some people might like a sneak preview.
Moderators - if this isn't allowed, feel free to take this post down. Apologies...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on March 22, 2010, 04:42:01 AM
i'll allow it.

where'd you get the link?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on March 22, 2010, 05:11:13 AM
Thanks, Marty!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Marty McSuperfly on March 22, 2010, 06:25:56 AM
I would love to say one of my contacts in the Hollywood community really came through for me, but considering I live in Scotland that ain't strictly true.
It came from a screenwriting forum. One of the members there posted it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: New Feeling on March 22, 2010, 12:11:21 PM
Thanks McSuperfly!  I will be reading this today. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: children with angels on March 22, 2010, 12:39:09 PM
You guys are crazy - there ain't no way I'm reading this! However early a draft it is, it has the power to severely decrease the viewing experience for me. I will of course, however, be simultaneously extremely jealous of those who do.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: mogwai on March 22, 2010, 01:49:45 PM
I ain't reading it either. Well, I've read a couple of pages out of context and it made no sense. But I read some descriptions of someone who've read and it sounds like PTA is going David Lynch on us. That makes sense because David Lynch stopped making movies after Twin Peaks right?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on March 22, 2010, 02:17:38 PM
I think i'll read just a little bit of it and get a taste of whats coming.
thanks for posting the link man!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on March 22, 2010, 02:28:55 PM
This is the greatest day of my life.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on March 22, 2010, 02:41:35 PM
This is the greatest day of my life.

Greater than the birth of your fake child?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on March 22, 2010, 02:51:49 PM
lol.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 22, 2010, 08:12:26 PM
I will not be reading any version of the script until I see the film but I would appreciate some spoiler-free impressions.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: md on March 22, 2010, 09:41:22 PM
Renner would merk this role.  I can't see anyone but him playing this now. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: john on March 23, 2010, 12:36:07 AM
Agreed on Renner. When I'd initially read  the plot synopsis and brief character descriptions here and on Playlist, he sounded entirely inappropriate for the rule... now that I'm actually reading it, all I can see is how complimentary he'd be for it.

I haven't read the whole thing, but in the little bit I have, I'm immediately struck by the authority PTA has for the locations he provides. They seem so rich and expansive and absolutely perfect.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on March 23, 2010, 12:49:22 AM
So, I ended up reading the whole damn thing. I'm kind of mad I did just because I didn't want to spoil anything in the future.  However, with that said I am so fucking psyched now.  PSH is going to kill it!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 23, 2010, 01:32:16 AM
For those who have read it, which PTA film is it most reminiscent of, if any?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on March 23, 2010, 02:24:05 AM
For those who have read it, which PTA film is it most reminiscent of, if any?

PDL in terms of originality. It's unlike anything he had done before.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on March 23, 2010, 02:38:19 AM
A lot of people will probably think TWBB because of the dynamic between the two main characters, plus because the general public thinks its a scientology movie.  But I have to agree with the previous poster, I can't really get a feel on which pta film it reminds me of.  I'm still trying to let it sink in...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: bluejaytwist on March 23, 2010, 03:57:06 AM
:shock:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on March 23, 2010, 04:08:08 AM
Well, I wanted to read it because I wanted to read the first draft of something that I had confidence would be eventually be a masterful film.  I'm in the midst of writing a first draft, and I keep running into the advice to let it be sloppy in the first draft.

This was definitely rough and sloppy, but I don't say that as a criticism--it was what I had hoped for.  It's given me more confidence to shrug off the parts of my screenplay that I don't know how to write yet (rather than stopping, trying to figure it out and losing steam).  The roughness actually marks it as a good first draft, because in not trying to get everything all there exactly right, he's able to take some risks that feel almost stream-of-consciousness-based.  Some of that stuff is really inspired/strange.

I'll try to give a bit of my impressions without giving too much away, but you should read on at your own risk, because I will be discussing some character stuff.

I agree that Renner would work well; I certainly was picturing him while reading the script.  That said, I think someone else could pull it off.  Not Dano (who I don't think was actually ever considered, but merely assumed by some to be in the running).  Renner's age is not really that big of a hindrance, so they could go with him and it would be fine.  It feels like a role that any actor would be able to bring really interesting things to--he would just have to be able to sell us on being a punk who has lived pretty hard.

I don't really agree that it's not reminiscent of his other films.  I recognize themes and character/relationship patterns from all of his previous films.  Firstly, the surrogate family with a focus on the father-son bond.  Especially in the final film, I expect this father-son idea to be strengthened, because the connection between Freddie and Master is one of the things that needs to be more developed from this draft.  Currently, their strange bond is not as tight as I know PTA can write it to be, but it's still got the hints of surrogate father-son bond.  That we follow an aimless kid into this world is reminiscent of Boogie Nights.

Its strange tone and some of the character behavior links it to There Will Be Blood.  The way it doesn't ever fully let us into the mind of the main character.  Some of the simmering hatred and sudden outbursts of violence.

I do think that the connection with Scientology is there.  Mormonism is explicitly mentioned.  But also, I think The Cause that this cult is built around is also drawing from things like The Secret, or any of the recent popularized self-help things.  Even Transcendental Meditation.  It's a supernatural, pseudo-scientific self-help cult like those more than it's like a religion.  The Master is not taken as holy, but as a really, really smart man who can educate those who want to learn about the real truth of our potential.  It's not exactly fair to say that the film is all that focused on why people feel the need to follow these things--that's sort of taken for granted, in this draft, anyway (if you preach, they will come).  The real drive and concern of the film is with following Freddie as he sort-of-but-not-really gets sucked into this cult, and how his relationship with this queer and powerful Master shapes this moment in his life.

I'm particularly interested to see how PSH is going to play this, if that is indeed who will play The Master.  It's a super hard character to pin down, and I don't recall seeing PSH doing anything like this before, but he's a great and smart actor who'll make interesting choices.

Yeah, that's all I can really think of to say about it right now.  It's an interesting story with two really interesting characters at its center, told with a very aggressive forward drive.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 23, 2010, 11:04:21 PM
Thanks for the impressions!

On a related note, I haven't seen The Hurt Locker yet, so the only reference point I have for Jeremy Renner is this psychotic vampire that he once played on a somewhat memorable episode of the Joss Whedon show, Angel:

(http://www.cityofangel.com/behindTheScenes/bts/images/renner/penn.jpg)

It's kind of interesting to see how much he's blown up since then, status wise.

Also, I'm still really hoping that PTA works with Daniel Day-Lewis again and fulfills his dream of working with Robert De Niro. If he were to give De Niro the opportunity for an especially memorable and sui generis performance, that would be pretty grand.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on March 23, 2010, 11:33:58 PM
Matt once again shows why he's one of the best posters on this site.

I'm hesitant to read it the whole thing. I read the draft of CMBB that was floating around and I kind of wish I hadn't. I read the first 6 pages or so then stopped. I got a very Bukowski vibe from the beginning. It was awesome. I had to stop.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 24, 2010, 12:00:27 AM
I remember I found out the final line of TWBB before I saw the film. It didn't destroy the experience for me, though. Especially given that it was so removed from the any sense of detail or context.

Incidentally, I also came across an excerpt from this film that apparently takes place close to the end but it is also divorced from context, and it's an early script, so I'm not too worried about it. I actually posted that excerpt, with spoiler warnings, earlier in this thread.

I wonder how PTA feels about his script being leaked onto the internet. Was this a conscious, awareness building move on the part of his agent? Or himself, even? If so, it would be slightly akin to how he uploaded the first, and oh so amazing, TWBB teaser trailer through YouTube without any permission from Paramount Vantage.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on March 24, 2010, 10:18:58 AM
people willing to read a PTA script before the movie comes out are a small demographic. if he does mind, which he shouldn't, i'm sure it's not to the same extent as the situation with the early VHS prints of boogie nights leaking. he should be honored that people love his work so much to dedicate that kind of fandom and time. i would be in his shoes.

also i'm sure the script will change. i'm torn on whether or not i should read it, i think i'll chose not to in the end.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Convael on March 24, 2010, 10:27:28 AM
Matt once again shows why he's one of the best posters on this site.

I'm hesitant to read it the whole thing. I read the draft of CMBB that was floating around and I kind of wish I hadn't. I read the first 6 pages or so then stopped. I got a very Bukowski vibe from the beginning. It was awesome. I had to stop.
No one can send me this early draft of TWBB?  I'll give you a Knuckle Sandwich.......
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on March 24, 2010, 10:33:04 AM
Matt once again shows why he's one of the best posters on this site.

I'm hesitant to read it the whole thing. I read the draft of CMBB that was floating around and I kind of wish I hadn't. I read the first 6 pages or so then stopped. I got a very Bukowski vibe from the beginning. It was awesome. I had to stop.
No one can send me this early draft of TWBB?  I'll give you a Knuckle Sandwich.......

ya i'd be interested in it too
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: tpfkabi on March 24, 2010, 10:39:52 AM
I have a TWBB script on my computer now, but it is labeled as Final Shooting Script.
7/25/06 seems to be the last update according to the first page.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on March 24, 2010, 12:15:47 PM
Matt once again shows why he's one of the best posters on this site.

I'm hesitant to read it the whole thing. I read the draft of CMBB that was floating around and I kind of wish I hadn't. I read the first 6 pages or so then stopped. I got a very Bukowski vibe from the beginning. It was awesome. I had to stop.
No one can send me this early draft of TWBB?  I'll give you a Knuckle Sandwich.......

I don't have it anymore. This was years ago. I wish I did. I never had Knuckle Sandwich, either.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on March 24, 2010, 12:19:27 PM
Well, I wanted to read it because I wanted to read the first draft of something that I had confidence would be eventually be a masterful film.  I'm in the midst of writing a first draft, and I keep running into the advice to let it be sloppy in the first draft.
I don't typically read scripts, at all, much less First drafts, but I share this sentiment with Matt, so I am not totally opposed to taking a few peeks at the script - if only to end up reading the whole thing. I'm also in the very rough stages of a first draft and I've had the same difficulty and hesitation, so I hope to find that same confidence in reading this, for how often do we have the luck and opportunity to do so?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on March 24, 2010, 12:39:03 PM
i just finished the 2nd draft of a script i've been working on for 6 months or so, i'd say just get it down and subsequent drafts are trimming it and getting rid of the shit. it's more important to get it down then judge it as you're doing it. that will only discourage you and halt the creativity imo. they always say first draft is from the heart and 2nd draft is from the mind. with the way i go about it, i think it's a pretty flawless method to follow that rule. flurishes in a script can either come across very pretentious or inspired, you'll always have more time to analyze them later, don't worry about sucking on some of it the first go.

if you're looking for inspiration read "on writing" by stephen king and "story" (made oh so famous now) by robert mckee. they won't make you good but they sure as hell made me think i could tackle the world!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on March 24, 2010, 01:30:18 PM
I'm hesitant to read it the whole thing. I read the draft of CMBB that was floating around and I kind of wish I hadn't. 

haha, remembering back to when you wanted the whole movie spoiled!

On a related note, I haven't seen The Hurt Locker yet, so the only reference point I have for Jeremy Renner is this psychotic vampire that he once played on a somewhat memorable episode of the Joss Whedon show, Angel:

(http://www.cityofangel.com/behindTheScenes/bts/images/renner/penn.jpg)

It's kind of interesting to see how much he's blown up since then, status wise.

anyone remember him from that reality show THe It Factor? great portrait of him as a struggling actor. i remember when he came forced to choose between taking a role in SWAT or a much more prominent part in another film, cant recall which. he was torn and a sobbing mess. SWAT was much more pay to help his financial struggles which was obvs the way he went. anyone memba that?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on March 24, 2010, 02:01:27 PM
imdb says he turned down a role in the big bounce to be on swat.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on March 24, 2010, 02:48:08 PM
people willing to read a PTA script before the movie comes out are a small demographic. if he does mind, which he shouldn't, i'm sure it's not to the same extent as the situation with the early VHS prints of boogie nights leaking. he should be honored that people love his work so much to dedicate that kind of fandom and time. i would be in his shoes.

i don't think there's anything wrong with ppl reading scripts before a film comes out, leaked or stolen or whatever. but i highly doubt he would be "honored" to have his film seen in any way before the film is finished. it's not a directors cut or anything that the studio has tried to suppress and he is proud to have released, it's a leaked copy of an unfinished story. i think it's ridiculous for you to say "and he shouldn't" like it's a completely obvious position to take. dude works YEARS on his films, it's true it makes it easier to dismiss because only a handful of freaks want to read the thing or even care that much but if it were MILLIONS of ppl reading the story prematurely it could hav some real consequences on the success of the film (hype-wise) and he would hav a reason to mind, other than just basic reasons of artistic integrity.

it's ok for us to read the script pre-release cos it's out of his hands now, but he CAN and probably SHOULD mind.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on March 24, 2010, 03:12:10 PM
anyone remember him from that reality show THe It Factor? great portrait of him as a struggling actor. i remember when he came forced to choose between taking a role in SWAT or a much more prominent part in another film, cant recall which. he was torn and a sobbing mess. SWAT was much more pay to help his financial struggles which was obvs the way he went. anyone memba that?

I do. It was a great show. Used to be on Bravo. It was a huge Sophie's Choice for him. I remember recognizing him when I saw SWAT and Dahmer.

I remember there was a brother and sister they followed too, and saw the sister in few commercials after that show cancelled.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on March 25, 2010, 02:55:22 PM
people willing to read a PTA script before the movie comes out are a small demographic. if he does mind, which he shouldn't, i'm sure it's not to the same extent as the situation with the early VHS prints of boogie nights leaking. he should be honored that people love his work so much to dedicate that kind of fandom and time. i would be in his shoes.

i don't think there's anything wrong with ppl reading scripts before a film comes out, leaked or stolen or whatever. but i highly doubt he would be "honored" to have his film seen in any way before the film is finished. it's not a directors cut or anything that the studio has tried to suppress and he is proud to have released, it's a leaked copy of an unfinished story. i think it's ridiculous for you to say "and he shouldn't" like it's a completely obvious position to take. dude works YEARS on his films, it's true it makes it easier to dismiss because only a handful of freaks want to read the thing or even care that much but if it were MILLIONS of ppl reading the story prematurely it could hav some real consequences on the success of the film (hype-wise) and he would hav a reason to mind, other than just basic reasons of artistic integrity.

it's ok for us to read the script pre-release cos it's out of his hands now, but he CAN and probably SHOULD mind.

I'd agree if it was my first script, or potentially the 2nd. however he's got a good track record. it's less about proving himself now. like if it was my introduction to the world as a writer i'd be really paranoid about people taking the blemishes as a final product. if i were in his position (something i can only extrapolate and would hope to remain humble) i guess i'd be more flattered that people were thirsty for my material. even if i was pissed, i would hope someone close would remind me that people love the stuff so much and to see it in a good light.

i read the first 20 pages and stopped. it's strange cuz i read it as way more playful then when i first heard about the project. i didn't want to go on, i think i got enough of a taste for it and for all i know it'll change a lot.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 25, 2010, 08:57:55 PM
I can see both sides to the argument, I suppose. However, if he were still trying to prove himself and hadn't yet made a name for himself, then even fewer people would be clamoring to read the script and it would be even less of a significant factor in the evaluation of either the film or his talent as a writer/director.

Either way, I hope it is an issue that he will touch on whenever he starts on the press junket for this film. I'm curious about who was responsible for leaking it, as well. Although, that's probably not a question that will ever get answered.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on March 25, 2010, 09:47:15 PM
As a writer, and someone who has done a lot of reading by writers about writing, I think that most likely PTA is not pleased with this draft getting leaked.  Only a small handful of people have actually read it, so perhaps he has the perspective to see that it's not that big of a deal--most people will be evaluating his work by the final film, as it should be.  Most writers, in discussing writing, say that they need to feel like they can create a space in which to take risks throughout the first draft.  The thinking can be, "I know this is shitty but I'll write it down anyway, because I need to get something down," or it can be, "I know that this MIGHT not work, but maybe it's crazy enough to work--I won't know until I write it down and look at it with fresh eyes in a few weeks' time."

Many writers do not show their first draft to anybody at all; it serves as a base to write a second draft, which they would only share with a few trusted people.  THIS draft of The Master (really, the Untitled Paul Thomas Anderson Project) is certainly at the presentable stage, so not a first draft, but an early draft, most likely in that "only share with a few trusted people" stage.  This is why I doubt that PTA is happy about strangers reading it.

I haven't heard of any writer, no matter how experienced/awarded/lauded, who has said that a good track record allows them to feel all that confident about their new work.  I do hear of writers who, after decades of writing and recognition, are still emotional wrecks who are completely doubtful of their ability to write anything good.  Being a well-known and respected writer comes with its own unique burden.  Hell, people REVERE PTA, so the possibility of being evaluated by an early draft might well be terrifying--as if people might think, "I thought you were the one who was going to save cinema; you're gonna try to save cinema with this?"

That said, it's out there, it's available, and I read it to educate myself as a writer.  I don't think it has spoiled the movie for me, and I gained a lot of insight into the writing process by reading it.  So much so that I am starting to read a lot more not-yet-produced scripts and early drafts.  There's so much to be learned as a writer.  I don't expect PTA to feel honored that I read his early draft--he might well hate knowing that fools like me are reading his script at this stage.  I did try, though, to make it clear in my mind that I was not evaluating the final film.  I wanted roughness, I craved the incomplete!  I got it, and through it saw the unique beauty of a work in progress.  It's teaching me how to build a script.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: md on March 25, 2010, 09:48:50 PM
it's less about proving himself now.

I don't think that ever stops...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 25, 2010, 10:24:30 PM
Excellent points raised in the two posts above this one. Actually, bluejaytwist's following anecdote regarding the early TWBB script seems to lend credence to the idea that PTA would feel slightly uneasy about people looking in on his early drafts...

if it is the early draft i have, there is also an insane old western style 'peek out from behind poor shelter, say a one liner and shoot your revolver' style thing back and forth with daniel and his brother during the confrontation bit.

i asked paul about it after the san francisco screening and he pulled an :shock:/eli face and smirked a sheepish/guilty smirk saying: "yeahhhh, we got to preproduction and everyone looked at one another and said: 'how the fuck are we even going to shoot this'" and then they squished it shortly thereafter...

Given PTA's dislike for DVD commentaries, perhaps he prefers — to a certain extent, at least — to offer his viewers the finalized film itself, sans the excess of early drafts. That is, a coherent text that is somewhat divorced from any evidence of the stumbling around and contingencies that are so characteristic of early script writing and pre-production. He may not want people focusing on the preliminary grasping around, but rather to admire/consider what has in fact been finally and actually grasped.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on March 25, 2010, 11:59:03 PM
it has nothing to do with the quality of writing in the draft or whether he would feel flattered or not that ppl are thirsty for his material.  he gets plenty of that flattering acknowledgement from the basic fact that he has so many fans both in his field and in the general public, he already knows that ppl like him cos ppl LIKE HIS FILMS.

the reaction that a fucking writer director who obviously hasn't finished making the film yet would hav about his script being leaked is not to do with any of those things, it's that it spoils the fucking story. you don't need to presuppose anything about someone's mental state or confidence to know that it's an original story and he wouldn't want ppl to know what happens until they watch the film! why is this a contentious point? i think it's pretty conclusive and it doesn't just apply to PTA.

why do you think that NO ONE releases an early draft of the script before a film is released? why do PIXAR and terence mallick and spielberg and anyone at all guard the details of their stories so closely? for fucking shits and giggles? this is ridiculous that it's even been discussed.. it spoils the movie and many filmmakers would never want anyone to see DELETED SCENES TAKEN FROM THE FINAL CUT let alone completely basic story elements from a leaked early draft of an original screenplay.

can someone with a sense of reality please stand up, raise your hand, or somehow acknowledge that this discussion is total bullshit?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ordet on March 26, 2010, 12:23:02 AM
great insight from all. i'm up to page 56 and forced myself to stop. I do regret a bit reading CMBB before viewing the film. To me this early draft was very engaging. I could picture PSH playing this it's an amazing taylored role for him. I feel it's going to be very funny as well, fucked up funny.

P.S. remember PTA talked about how during the editing of CMBB they only had stake and vodka to be in the mind of Plainview. I wonder if they're gonna go for the home made booze this time. They could use chemicals they develope the film with to make their liquor.  
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 26, 2010, 12:47:40 AM
I actually think that both this...

the quality of writing in the draft or whether he would feel flattered or not that ppl are thirsty for his material.

And this...

it spoils the fucking story.

...Are all factors worthy of consideration. Not either/or but both. Perhaps PTA would feel indignant due to having his early work exposed prematurely and due to the risk of having his film spoiled. In other words, I do agree that these are some good, possible reasons as to why he might disapprove of the script being leaked, but I'm not sure why you have to aggressively insist on one, definitive reason.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: md on March 27, 2010, 10:56:27 AM
He's just in a position in his career where he can cherish the secrecy of his magic.  Blame it on the kids... 

Look at 'That Moment'... the sundance lab scenes!... Just raw and naked right there. dude use to whore himself out for the sake of his fans...and we loved him for that.  But now he doesn't have to do that.  That's it.  If you're reading his script right now, you're probably a huge fan and conscientious of what you're getting yourself into.  Spoilers?  Well ya, but its a great way to learn.  Damn i wonder how the other Anderson felt when her shit leaked... 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on March 27, 2010, 11:14:08 AM
It may spoil the story, but then a lot of books are made into films which people see because they've read.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 27, 2010, 10:18:54 PM
The following quote from PTA, taken from this interview (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20155516_20155530_20158721_4,00.html), seems to substantiate some of the ideas being thrown around on the last page regarding him possibly getting upset over the leaked script:

"One of the films that I have the fondest memory of seeing is Gallipoli, because I knew absolutely nothing about it. My brother said, ''Let's go see this movie.'' And I said, ''What's it about?'' He said, ''I'm not going to tell you.'' And I hadn't seen the poster, I hadn't seen a trailer or anything, and it was such an amazing experience. [Talking about the Radiohead release] just made me think of it. To be able to just kind of get something as close to the bone as possible, without too much intrusion..."


Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on March 28, 2010, 12:33:46 AM
still waiting..

can someone with a sense of reality please stand up, raise your hand, or somehow acknowledge that this discussion is total bullshit?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 28, 2010, 12:38:27 AM
Yeah, I still don't understand your instantaneous aggression over this, though. It's an interesting discussion.

Nor do I get — as I mentioned in my last post found on the prior page, which you seem to have skimmed over — why you have to shorten the parameters on this interesting discussion by declaring that PTA has only one reason to be irked about the script leak. There could, in fact, be more than one reason.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on March 28, 2010, 01:09:23 AM
It was an unfinished draft. A work in progress. Can't imagine anyone being happy about a work in progress getting out into the open. It's a vulnerable piece of work; something that you don't want anybody to see.

I could see him being indifferent if it was the last draft, but an early draft like this? I'd be pissed and might even give up on it and work on something else.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see PTA say fuck it and move onto something else. It's not like anything else except a rough draft was in place.

Metal Gear Solid FTW.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: New Feeling on March 28, 2010, 01:17:54 AM
still waiting..

can someone with a sense of reality please stand up, raise your hand, or somehow acknowledge that this discussion is total bullshit?

yeah because clearly this ain't you.  ever since you've started posting again I almost wish you hadn't, and I think your attitude towards this reasonable discussion is a good example of why.

There are lots of reasons why a filmmaker would be glad people were reading their screenplay well in advance of production and even, gasp, final draft.  The main one would be that they're proud of it and well aware that reading it wouldn't be spoiling the story but rather reading the story, in screenplay form, which for many of us can be as touching and valuable, (or possibly even moreso) than seeing the completed film.   
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on March 28, 2010, 08:15:39 AM
Maybe we need a sub-thread?  :ponder:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 29, 2010, 01:19:51 AM
It was an unfinished draft. A work in progress. Can't imagine anyone being happy about a work in progress getting out into the open. It's a vulnerable piece of work; something that you don't want anybody to see.

I could see him being indifferent if it was the last draft, but an early draft like this? I'd be pissed and might even give up on it and work on something else.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see PTA say fuck it and move onto something else. It's not like anything else except a rough draft was in place.

Metal Gear Solid FTW.

By the way, if this post was in response to mine, I'm not of the camp that thinks PTA is definitely indifferent about this. As I said back on the last page, I can see both sides to the argument. Nobody can say for sure how he feels about this. Yet.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on March 29, 2010, 01:24:29 AM
He feels shitty. How can that even be debated? It was an unfinished draft. It's a mess, pretty much. At least with the TWBB draft that got leaked early, it was coherent. This isn't. Everything is fragmented, to be added later, etc. It's in its most unawesome form.

There is no way he's "happy" with this version seeing the intrawebs.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 29, 2010, 03:27:13 AM
Who is saying that he's absolutely ecstatic about this, though? It's a possibility that he's somewhat indifferent, or that he sees both sides of the coin, or that he is downright upset. But it's naturally hard to determine what is in fact the truth. Nobody here has access to the facts, as far as PTA's reaction is concerned.

And the draft is a "mess"? That's the most negative review of the script I've seen yet. If that's true, I guess I can understand why you are so particularly certain that he "feels shitty" about the leak.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Alexandro on March 29, 2010, 04:14:11 AM
Personally, the ideal for me as an audience member is to plunge into a film knowing the least info about it. Thinking as a filmmaker, the ideal would be that the audience would see the film like that. Absolutely no expectations, no advertising, no trailer, no press, no nothing. You want the audience to see a movie, not a screenplay.

The more you know beforehand the less you get 100% surprised. I don't see what's to debate here. No one likes screenplays leaked because people will go to the movie with another movie already in their head. Because they will know how it turns out, or what music will be used in a certain scene. It just spoils it. It must be a pain in the ass for a writer director to see his new screenplay leak like that, it ruins the surprise. The worst part is that fans are the ones who do this to themselves. I absolutely LOVED the experience of  watching TWWB knowing no plot, no actors outside of DDL, no reviews, opinions, or anything.

Screenplays are shit you read cause you have to, maybe you are an actor, an editor, something in the film industry, and you have to read scripts and soon you know too many plots and endings of movies around you. Although I understand the urge of fans to read "the master project", from where I'm standing, it serves no purpose to do that. I have no business reading that thing, I'm not related to it in any way. The only job I have in that production is to watch the final film.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on March 29, 2010, 04:57:48 AM
I remember when leaked screenplays had more political and financial implications. Here we're just considering the fate of Paul Thomas Anderson's feelings, but when Oliver Stone made Salvador, he specifically wrote a version that favored Nicaragua because he wanted the film to be made in the country with the government's financial support. However, this copy wasn't the real one and Stone risked international backing by putting this version out there. He gave that version to officials and they loved it, but Stone couldn't make the film in the country anyways since his main researcher for the film was murdered in the country shortly after. Instead he had to make it in Mexico and scrape to get money anyway he could to finance it.

There are lots of other filmmakers who had to deal with a lot of grief, especially in Eastern Europe in years past, over screenplay protection. I don't really care what Paul Thomas Anderson feels. I imagine he understands a leaked screenplay is part of the game in America.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on March 29, 2010, 05:01:02 AM
Really, the greater threat is promotional material like trailers, because that's something that will spoil what the film's about for general audience members.  The only people who are going to read the script, other than the people working on the film, are geeks like me who want to know everything about how a movie gets made, including what a draft is like at this stage.  I think it's pointless to guess how PTA feels about it, but if it were me, I wouldn't get worried about a hundred people reading a leaked script when I'm making a movie for a million audience members.  I've been digging for more yet-to-be-produced scripts and I've found that there are a lot out there--there's a whole subculture of people reading this stuff, but it still really only amounts to a few hundred super nerds who are generally concerned with the craft of screenwriting.

In choosing to read the script, I am deliberately taking myself away from being a normal audience member of this film, which is fine with me.  I agree that for the best experience of the film, you should go in knowing little or nothing about it.  I didn't read this script because I couldn't wait to know the story.  I could wait.  I chose to read it because the opportunity came and I decided that I would like to see how I can study the making of the film from this perspective.  I don't know what I'll learn yet.  I've already learned a bit, because I've read PTA shooting scripts before, and now I'm learning how he builds them (I'm also in the middle of reading the recently posted early draft of There Will Be Blood).

There's a lot to learn by reading whatever scripts I can find, and personally I've found it difficult to read a script if I've already seen the movie because I have nothing to propel me through the tedious task of reading a script.  But reading something I haven't seen, perhaps a few drafts of it as it comes along, and then seeing the film... I can be eager for each one of those steps.  Reading the script doesn't kill the desire to see the film, and might better allow me to understand the choices they made in producing it.  I can read the script like literature, and since I haven't seen the film, I can freely imagine what it might be like and vaguely how I might direct it.  Then, when I see how it ultimately turns out, I can learn a lot by seeing how each of the thousands of choices was made differently or similarly to how I imagined it.  This is not the case if I'm reading something I've already seen as a film.  I find myself too hungry to learn whatever I can to not take an opportunity like this when it comes along.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 29, 2010, 01:39:58 PM
I don't see what's to debate here.

Consider the two posts below yours, then.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on March 29, 2010, 02:03:25 PM
headin towards a 20th page lowlights reel. good luck, pages 18 & 19!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Alexandro on March 29, 2010, 02:14:02 PM
I don't see what's to debate here.

Consider the two posts below yours, then.

Still, as many angles as we can find to frame this, leaked screenplays suck for the filmmaker. If filmmakers wanted people to read first drafts or whatever, they would post them themselves and ask for feedback from the nerds. It may be part of the game in 2010's western civilization, it may not be a life or death situation as it might have been in the past, and people who read them may be choosing to for educational reasons, the filmmaker may feel "honored" that fans are eager to read the new material, but it's still a pain in the ass because it's not the intended way for a movie to come out.

I understand all points of view expressed here, but if the question is whether filmmakers find it acceptable that screenplays for an unmade film spread around the internet, my guess is that most would say "no", and would be a little annoyed by it at the very least.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on March 29, 2010, 02:45:11 PM
I definitely believe it would suck for the filmmaker in question, I also just don't care. This convo needs to die.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 29, 2010, 03:05:13 PM
The point is, it's not that easy to put it in black and white terms as no one here really has access to the facts when it comes to how PTA feels about this. Also, in case people haven't noticed, I haven't placed myself on one side or the other... I simply think there's room for debate, as opposed to unequivocal declarations that rule out any other possibilities or nuances.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on March 29, 2010, 03:10:40 PM
I definitely believe it would suck for the filmmaker in question, I also just don't care. This convo needs to die.

For once, I agree. People are talking like he's gonna come to your house and say any chance at being your friend is lost forever.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Captain of Industry on March 29, 2010, 03:13:58 PM
We could go back and never have this conversation, if only we had a Hot Tub Time Machine.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Alexandro on March 29, 2010, 03:16:30 PM
i love debating. Why don't we debate dreyer's films? they're more interesting than this.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on March 29, 2010, 03:57:07 PM
The point is, it's not that easy to put it in black and white terms as no one here really has access to the facts when it comes to how PTA feels about this. Also, in case people haven't noticed, I haven't placed myself on one side or the other... I simply think there's room for debate, as opposed to unequivocal declarations that rule out any other possibilities or nuances.
The issue with the "debate" is that, it seems, you weren't actually looking for any definitive answers here, you were merely playing devil's advocate, which becomes incredibly frustrating when it's been carried on for as long as this has.

Yes, you're right, NO ONE KNOWS HOW PTA FEELS ABOUT THIS. You should've known that from the beginning, and if that's what you were looking for, then you've wasted your own time too.

In more general terms: in reading something that wasn't designed to be read by "you," are there any moral or ethical problems that would argue against doing so? Yes, but these are defined, ultimately, by your own personal sense of ethics and morals. Reading an early draft is akin to reading an artist's journal or diary (in my opinion), and would probably be frowned upon by said artist. But why bother with this mode of speculation? Is PTA going to personally assault you for reading the draft? Are you going have to answer to a higher power for this? Probably not. Ever. So why worry about it so much? If you want to read it, read it; if not, leave this to those who do.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 29, 2010, 04:01:54 PM
I definitely believe it would suck for the filmmaker in question, I also just don't care. This convo needs to die.
For once, I agree. People are talking like he's gonna come to your house and say any chance at being your friend is lost forever.

Really?


Yes, you're right, NO ONE KNOWS HOW PTA FEELS ABOUT THIS. You should've known that from the start, and if that's what you were looking for, then you've wasted your own time too.

I don't really regret taking a small amount of time to intermittently take issue with/discuss the fact that some are trying to make this about strictly one thing, when it could be many things. I initially brought this up as a curious, 'I wonder...?' and people placed really strict parameters around that wondering and I found that a bit too narrow. This issue doesn't lend itself to definitive answers but some interesting speculation could, and I think did, take place. People also got aggressive from the start, which I thought was unnecessary. But since the general consensus is that this whole conversation is quite unnecessary or not compelling enough, let's move on.

In more general terms: in reading something that wasn't designed to be read by "you," are there any moral or ethical problems that would argue against doing so? Yes, but these are defined, ultimately, by your own personal sense of ethics and morals. Reading an early draft is akin to reading an artist's journal or diary (in my opinion), and would probably be frowned upon by said artist. But why bother with this mode of speculation? Is PTA going to personally assault you for reading the draft? Are you going have to answer to a higher power for this? Probably not. Ever. So why worry about it so much? If you want to read it, read it. If not, leave this to those who do.

To be clear, I wasn't looking for a justification for reading it or trying to clear myself of any compunction. I knew I wasn't going to read it from the start.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: children with angels on March 29, 2010, 04:14:43 PM
I like Amnesiac - he's earnest and classy. Amnesiac: you're earnest and classy!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on March 29, 2010, 04:14:56 PM
In Amnesiac's defense, this board has been gluttonous before with talking anything and everything about Paul Thomas Anderson. This conversation isn't out of character. It's the happy overreaching smoke before the hype storm of a new PTA film.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gittes on March 29, 2010, 04:16:05 PM
And here I was thinking I was overstaying my welcome already.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on March 29, 2010, 04:18:44 PM
And here I was thinking I was overstaying my welcome already.

Sincerity in argument is a hard thing to find so definitely stick around. And if you ever feel like you're being picked on, don't take it personal or think you're being isolated. Some of us have extensive histories of being the board's bitch for different things.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on March 29, 2010, 04:34:31 PM
amnesiac, since you keep pointing to "some ppl" i will hav to respond directly to you now.. realise tho, that i hav only said what Alexandro said and now perineum falcon. they havn't said any new information but you hav conceded the irrelevance of your indulgent "argument" because the numbers hav stacked up. you don't seem to have understood the point, you are just responding to the fact that a bigger number disagrees with you so you don't have the same ppl egging you on.

GT is wrong. others have been indulgent but this has taken it to ridiculous extremes of self-dellusion not seen since the "no score" fiasco of CMBB.

i'm posting this even tho Perineum eerily echoed my statements while i was writing it.

The point is, it's not that easy to put it in black and white terms as no one here really has access to the facts when it comes to how PTA feels about this. Also, in case people haven't noticed, I haven't placed myself on one side or the other... I simply think there's room for debate, as opposed to unequivocal declarations that rule out any other possibilities or nuances.

was that your point the whole time??? that nothing can ever be known for sure about anything? if that was your grand point then it's even CLEARER that there was nothing to debate.

you seem to think that there was grounds for a theoretical argument about the possibility of different interpretations. my simple point, which has been reiterated by others, was that a leaked script is not what a filmmaker intended. the counter argument that you and your supporters offered was that he might be flattered! like it mattered! then someone said that everything is spoiled eventually, with trailers and even the story is spoiled when it's adapted from a book -- those things are not a point! those things are meant to be seen.. it is assumed by the filmmaker that some ppl hav read the book that is being adapted.. it is assumed by the filmmaker that some ppl will watch the trailer.. that's the whole point of an advertisement.. but it is not assumed by a fiilmmaker that anyone outside the cast and crew would ever read the SCREENPLAY before release. just like no one is supposed to watch a film that isn't yet FINAL CUT.

you seem to think that a filmmaker (see how i'm not saying PTA, i'm speaking it general terms cos i'm not crazy, also notice that at no point have i said "if I was PTA... oh if only i was PTA then i would... when i'm PTA and i have fans looking at my scripts this is what i'll think".. again, i'm not crazy, that's why i am not saying that) would be happy to have the a ROUGH CUT OF THE FILM shown and leaked for everyone to download. forget who's watching. again there's nothing wrong with VIEWING that leak because the internet is free for everyone except china, but how can anyone in their right mind believe that the filmmaker would be anything but NOT HAPPY that his film has been leaked. this is the same thing. it doesn't matter what you imagine PTA is thinking right now, he doesn't have a twitter account, he doesn't care what you think, he doesn't even want to tell you what HE thinks.. yes we are alone in the universe (your next great insight?)

i cannot imagine that the above example, along with what alexandro said, is not conclusive enough to explain why your argument is dead in the water. it simply doesn't matter that no one knows and it sure as hell doesn't matter what you imagine in place of anyone knowing.. i'm now going to explain a mature concept:

simply because somethings are not known for certain, it does not mean that everyone's speculation is of equal merit. it doesn't mean that anyone can just fantasise about being pta which is what you have all been doing - to the utter embarrassment of the rest of us - because you can't even fathom that in cases where nothing is known for certain (always) it takes a logical mind to assess the PROBABILITY and LIKELIHOOD of certain outcomes, there is such thing as plausibility. and in this case there is one position that is much more plausible than the others. PLAUSIBILITY.. you skipped this simple thought because you and others wanted to keep fantasising. you actually think that your idea of what a great artist thinks is not only relevant but actually has a chance of being right. i'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but from what you have all said so far in this thread you are NOT great artists.

this "debate" has been nothing more than a sickening display of self-dellusion. you hav acted as if you've never read a leaked script before, you and your supporters seem to me like a flock of headless chickens running around in an echo chamber of self-aggrandizing thoughts.. it would be extremely depressing if it weren't for the flicker of hope that has finally emerged in this page.

and yes, some ppl are kinder than me, and less "aggressive". that doesn't affect the truth of what i'm saying,
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: children with angels on March 29, 2010, 04:49:12 PM
Cut the guy some slack. It always seemed more like idle curiosity than an attempt at "great insight". Seriously - this is not the way to bring in new blood.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on March 29, 2010, 04:55:20 PM
he mischaracterized my posts for the benefit of his useless agenda. i am just responding. if new blood wants to step up on such shitty foundation then they should be ready for that shitty foundation to be pointed out. especially if their "idle curiosity" turns into several pages of baseless argument.

maybe i went overboard since everyone else on this page has already eviscerated his empty argument in a nicer way. i respect you though, and if you want to play mediator then i'll back off now that i've said my piece.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on March 29, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
LOL. caught these last two comments in latest update at PT site:

Anonymous said...
This may be a long shot, but do you have any clue how PTA feels about the script being leaked?
March 27, 2010 10:44 PM
 
Anonymous said...
http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10940.msg289297#msg289297
March 28, 2010 6:48 PM

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on March 29, 2010, 05:43:57 PM
Maybe you went overboard? Dude, you got worked up about NOTHING. You can't post around here w/o getting your peepee slapped. It's ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on March 30, 2010, 12:40:07 PM
Let's take the first step and stop discussing new members, or to sound more retarded "new blood," and maybe just treat each other with respect?  You know, regardless of how long they've been on the board?  Maybe the questions "When will we get new members?" and "Should we even allow new members?" will both answer themselves if we stop asking them everytime something trivial happens.

Also, I came here looking for an apology for Monster House.  I did not find it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on March 30, 2010, 02:34:51 PM
Also, I came here looking for an apology for Monster House.  I did not find it.

my bad, fixed!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: brother macmanus on March 30, 2010, 07:39:03 PM
renner is officially OUT of the running.  pt is looking to cast younger.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on March 30, 2010, 07:41:20 PM
renner is officially OUT of the running.  pt is looking to cast younger.

Source? If true, congrats on the most relevant first post by anyone.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on March 30, 2010, 07:53:07 PM
Seriously.  Show your work, please.

And if you plan to stick around beyond this one cryptic post, consider introducing yourself. (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=2.0)

Also, welcome to the board, et cetera.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: cinemanarchist on March 30, 2010, 11:22:37 PM
renner is officially OUT of the running.  pt is looking to cast younger.

Boondock Saints name and avatar? I sense foul play.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: children with angels on March 31, 2010, 04:19:00 AM
renner is officially OUT of the running.  pt is looking to cast younger.

Boondock Saints name and avatar? I sense foul play.

and signature... hmm
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on March 31, 2010, 09:26:15 AM
It's a trap! It's one of Fatners minions trying to throw us off the scent.

Edit: Fatner may be my most favorite unintentional iPhone typo yet.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: brother macmanus on March 31, 2010, 10:23:07 AM
i don't really give a shit if anyone believes me or not, i found this board through a link on the playlist and figured you'd be interested in what I know. my source is working for people involved in the process. this is actual information. I know for a FACT that zack gilford (from friday night lights) came in to meet yesterday. and what the fucks the problem with boondock saints?? i like the movie. i don't have to post here, if nobody cares i can just go away.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: squints on March 31, 2010, 12:45:24 PM
and what the fucks the problem with boondock saints??

Hahaha.


So Matt Saracen in a PTA movie? Holy shit, I'm down with that.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on March 31, 2010, 01:14:40 PM
i don't really give a shit if anyone believes me or not, i found this board through a link on the playlist and figured you'd be interested in what I know. my source is working for people involved in the process. this is actual information. I know for a FACT that zack gilford (from friday night lights) came in to meet yesterday. and what the fucks the problem with boondock saints?? i like the movie. i don't have to post here, if nobody cares i can just go away.

Hey, come on now -- can you blame us for questioning a post by someone who has never posted before and posts something without a source? You'd be skeptical as well.

If it's true, it'll be interesting to see where they go with the role. Please keep us updated.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on March 31, 2010, 01:40:54 PM
I think he was mad at us for our Boondock Saints bashing. If true, I believe that is the quickest we have gotten a newbie to react badly to our idea of a welcome wagon.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: brother macmanus on March 31, 2010, 02:01:44 PM
lol, it's cool man. i just read through your guy's boondock saints thread, and holy crap do you guys hate that movie! for the record, i don't think it's some great movie, it just came along at a certain time in my life, and i've been using the name and shit online for like ten years.

sorry i flew off the handle, you have no reason to believe some random guy who shows up. i'm not like in any special position or anything, i'm just lucky enough to know people who are involved in the companies that are involved in it. there are other actors meeting today or tomorrow, and i've been told some rumor names, but i want to get confirmation before i post anything. gilford is the only one i know for sure.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on March 31, 2010, 02:35:13 PM
lol, it's cool man. i just read through your guy's boondock saints thread, and holy crap do you guys hate that movie! for the record, i don't think it's some great movie, it just came along at a certain time in my life, and i've been using the name and shit online for like ten years.

sorry i flew off the handle, you have no reason to believe some random guy who shows up. i'm not like in any special position or anything, i'm just lucky enough to know people who are involved in the companies that are involved in it. there are other actors meeting today or tomorrow, and i've been told some rumor names, but i want to get confirmation before i post anything. gilford is the only one i know for sure.

macmanus, MacGuffin. MacGuffin , macmanus...

good to have ya, bromanus. do stick around and share your insaint info.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: brother macmanus on March 31, 2010, 07:36:26 PM
these are the names i'm hearing (besides gilford):
joseph gordon levitt
chris pine
SHIA LEBOUF

one of these things is not like the other, lol...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: children with angels on March 31, 2010, 07:40:53 PM
i just read through your guy's boondock saints thread, and holy crap do you guys hate that movie!

This made me return to the Boondock thread, which was an absolute pleasure. Perhaps the greatest moment is: "You didn't care for Days of Heaven? What are you, some sort of faggot?"
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: cine on March 31, 2010, 11:12:37 PM
macmanus either spill the beans or go back to the boondocks thread. jesus christ. ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on March 31, 2010, 11:39:13 PM
Shia must be stopped.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 01, 2010, 12:08:35 AM
Shia must be stopped.

Haha, I would miss these quotes, but I think you're going to come around to Shia a little after Wall Street 2.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on April 01, 2010, 12:19:42 AM
No. He's proably going to ruin it for me and ill hate it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: jerome on April 01, 2010, 08:58:24 AM
well damn, now that i've read the script with renner in mind, all the other possibilities sound 'meh' to me...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: brother macmanus on April 01, 2010, 11:05:52 AM
okay, the latest official word this morning is it's shia's if he wants it. they just have to make sure the schedule wouldn't conflict with the transformers 3 schedule. supposedly they're still looking at other actors just in case, but it's been officially offered to shia.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on April 01, 2010, 11:09:39 AM
 :shock:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on April 01, 2010, 11:14:40 AM
I love the beef!  :bravo:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on April 01, 2010, 11:20:15 AM
 :saywhat: Hmmm, this could be a really good move on PT's part :ponder:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on April 01, 2010, 11:22:10 AM
bromanus gots the goods!

EDIT: I agree, surprised at first, but I like Lebouf, could be that this a bold move.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on April 01, 2010, 11:33:36 AM
Okay, on second thought, I like it.
I got a little red and clinched my fist when Bromanus first broke the news, but I guess if he can pull this off WHILE shooting Transformers 3, then I'm cool with it.
Thanks for the info!

Okay, good, I was worried, haha.
I got red and clinched my fist when Bromanus acted like PTA would work around Shia's Transformers 3 schedule haha.
Well played, sir. Well played.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: brother macmanus on April 01, 2010, 12:39:29 PM
lol, what?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Captain of Industry on April 01, 2010, 01:25:07 PM
Sounds more like news than a rumor.
Sounds more like a threat than a rumor.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: IchLiebeTisch on April 01, 2010, 02:25:06 PM
seems like a pretty good idea.
seems like a really drawn out april fools.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on April 01, 2010, 05:42:29 PM
Haha, (a) brilliant (move on PTA's part).  :)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: brother macmanus on April 01, 2010, 07:26:02 PM
no, you're all just too fucking stupid to understand plain english and you hoped if you were pricks long enough you'd get me to stop placating you.  congrats, dicks.  you got it.  go fuck yourselves if you're too stupid to read and have to make up supposed intentions of what other people post, fucking stupid motherfuckers.  peace out.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: BetaMax on April 01, 2010, 07:54:07 PM
I don't know why Boondock fans get a bad reputation.  Seemed perfectly nice to me
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on April 01, 2010, 07:59:51 PM
I think we broke his brain.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 01, 2010, 08:13:10 PM
No, you hurt his feelings....
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on April 02, 2010, 11:56:27 AM
Robert Pattinson finds Anderson's 'Religion'
Universal agrees to distribute.
Source: Variety

Robert Pattinson is negotiating to play Freddie in the “There Will Be Blood” director's untitled religion pic, that already has "Capote" star Philip Seymour Hoffman playing The Master.

Scripted and to be directed by Paul Thomas Anderson, the film begins production in late spring.

Universal, which has been selective about greenlighting features after the failures known as "Green Zone" and "The Wolfman," first passed on the script, but renegotiated once the "Twilight" star became attached.

Anderson’s frequent collaborator, JoAnne Sellar, is the producer.

Pattinson, who most recently starred in the tearjerker "Remember Me," is best known playing the vampire, Edward, in the "Twilight" saga. "Eclipse" releases later this year.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: mogwai on April 02, 2010, 12:08:07 PM
Paul just got his second box office (worldwide) hit.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on April 02, 2010, 12:41:17 PM
My WTF meter just imploded.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 02, 2010, 01:01:17 PM
April Fools Joke a day late?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on April 02, 2010, 01:21:20 PM
I checked Variety, I don't see anything on their website? Is there a link?

This has gotta be a joke.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on April 02, 2010, 01:29:34 PM
hahaha.  :bravo:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on April 02, 2010, 02:16:21 PM
Hollywood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i5aa07fe16321f43d5dd7ce1cc3c817) is saying the same thing.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 02, 2010, 02:18:38 PM
Link didn't work for me.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on April 02, 2010, 02:22:17 PM
Link didn't work for me.

That's weird. What browser are you using?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 02, 2010, 02:26:27 PM
Firefox
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on April 02, 2010, 02:28:13 PM
IE here.. same.

Error Page - do "View source" to see exception
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on April 02, 2010, 02:30:29 PM
Hmm... try clearing your cache.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pedro on April 02, 2010, 02:39:27 PM
I haven't seen any of this guy's work.  I have no idea if he's terrible other than he's connected to the twilight series which I also haven't seen but trust everyone here about.  Maybe that's why I'm not so freaked out?  If there's one thing that's consistent throughout all of PTA's films, it is the quality of the acting.  He has a strong sense of directing performances (like his discussion with robards in "that moment"?!) and as far as I can tell he is selective about who he works with.  I bet he destroys this role and wins the xixax award for best male performance over PSH.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on April 02, 2010, 02:46:03 PM
Did a search on Hollywood Reporter, and I'm coming up with nada.

I guess they just dumped it in the trash?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: New Feeling on April 02, 2010, 03:25:40 PM
I actually think this would be great news if true.  Unfortunately I'm not buying it. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: brother macmanus on April 02, 2010, 05:18:56 PM
see?? i told you fuckers!

this is the last you'll hear from me EVER.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on April 02, 2010, 05:50:58 PM
see?? i told you fuckers!

this is the last you'll hear from me EVER.

No, you didn't. You told us nothing about Robert Pattinson.

I believe what you said in your previous posts though, and definitely prefer Robert Pattinson before all of them. I can definitely see him in the role of Freddie.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: brother macmanus on April 02, 2010, 06:00:12 PM
labouf=pattinson, same thing.

THIS is the last time you'll hear from me ever.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on April 02, 2010, 06:03:33 PM
Count me on board with Pattinson. I actually like that casting. He's done some smaller indies indicating he's serious about his craft. They all sucked, I'm sure, but his heart is in the right place and this proves it.

Plus, I hear the dude has hygiene problems which fits right in with Freddie. Haha.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on April 02, 2010, 06:28:35 PM
labouf=pattinson, same thing.

THIS is the last time you'll hear from me ever.

really? the same thing? ok... 

Plus, I hear the dude has hygiene problems which fits right in with Freddie. Haha.

He don't wash his hair, man! (So embarrassing that I actually know that  :shock:)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on April 03, 2010, 05:11:12 AM
I'm not gonna lie, I did think of Pattinson after reading the script but didn't want to admit it.  I think it's a good fit.  I haven't seen him in a movie, so I'm mostly basing this on his general I-don't-give-a-fuck vibe that he projects in real life.  I can't think of any other prominent actor who has that right now.

Shia would have been a very bad way to go.  Chris Pine was a stretch but I could see it.  No other names bandied about have made me think they'd be a good Freddie.  Pattinson's the best so far, even if it's an April Fools thing.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on April 03, 2010, 02:43:00 PM
http://www.newsinfilm.com/2010/04/02/paul-thomas-andersons-untitled-scientology-project-the-master-script-review/


Another script review. Really nothing new or insightful for those who have read the script. Beware of spoilers.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ordet on April 03, 2010, 03:42:20 PM
I could see Mark Webber pulling it off.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on April 08, 2010, 02:11:28 AM
http://www.heatvisionblog.com/2010/04/taylor-kitsch-to-star-in-battleship-film.html

From The Hollywood Reporter

Short article about Taylor Kitsch taking over the role in Battleship from Renner, who they say has dropped out in favor of The Master.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on April 08, 2010, 09:36:26 AM
Jeremy Renner Not Joining Paul Thomas Anderson's Untitled Scientology Drama, Project Still Set For Production This Summer? (http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/04/jeremy-renner-not-joining-paul-thomas.html)
via: The Playlist

After his critically acclaimed turn as Sgt. William James in Kathryn Bigelow's "The Hurt Locker," Jeremy Renner has found himself an interesting bunch of projects to potentially follow up with.

The actor first joined James McTeigue's upcoming murder mystery centering on Edgar Allen Poe's last days (described as "The Raven" meets "Se7en") but has also been linked to roles in Peter Berg's film adaptation of board game "Battleship" as well as a collaboration with auteur Paul Thomas Anderson and Phillip Seymour Hoffman on their untitled Scientology drama.

However, in a sidenote to Taylor Kitsch's casting in "Battleship" today, Renner has reportedly passed on Anderson's project with "scheduling conflicts preventing his involvement" — the same conflict also caused him to pull out of Berg's film. With "Battleship" scheduled to shoot this summer, it's not known what project is causing the issue though it could very well be McTeigue's "The Raven."

But wait, does this mean Anderson's religious drama is also shooting this summer despite it's studio woes? Have River Road stepped up to the plate after Universal passed? It had been thought such backing issues would cause the film's production to be delayed and open up the calendar for Renner but all this was, of course, before the other Renner project was slated to shoot at the same time.

Renner's exclusion from PTA's film is disappointing but may ultimately make things easier. His link had stirred a little controversy as his potential role, Freddie, was written as a young, impressionable 20-something drifter in an early draft. Our original script review had actually proposed "There Will Be Blood" star Paul Dano for the role, who is 14 years younger than Renner. Of course, there's also the possibility that the religious drama had undergone rewrites, after all, Renner had reportedly taken at least five meetings with Anderson.

Either way, we're sure this is just the tip of the iceberg to the story with details surrounding what's happening with Renner, "The Raven" and PTA's religious drama likely to hit soon if both are in fact set for summer shoots.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Find Your Magali on April 11, 2010, 10:43:46 PM
Not to go all tangental here, but how the bleep do you make a motion picture out of the game "Battleship"? Seriously.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on April 11, 2010, 11:44:32 PM
It's probably just a movie full of battleships and not much to do with the actual rules of the game.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Tree on April 12, 2010, 01:53:14 AM
It's probably just a movie full of battleships and not much to do with the actual rules of the game.

DISAGREE, it probably has destroyers and submarines and chinese junks or whatever too

and an old white guy with a funny hat will say "YOU SUNK MY BATTLESHIP" in the trailer
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on April 12, 2010, 02:03:12 AM
It's going to have some 3D gimmick that pays homage to the......board game.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on April 12, 2010, 02:18:45 AM
It will have aliens.  Peter Berg said so.  Battleships versus spaceships.  I'm not kidding.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on April 12, 2010, 02:26:13 AM
Were there martians in the boardgame?

At least it's not vampires.

Or perky oblivious actresses.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Myxo on April 16, 2010, 01:14:27 AM
More things need to happen about this project for me to read about.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on April 26, 2010, 04:29:34 PM
Jeremy Renner to be taught by 'The Master' (http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/04/jeremy-renner-to-be-taught-by-master.html)
via The Playlist

So one could argue that THR already confirmed this — and sites like us and Vulture were confused with their weird verbiage — and we'd be fine with that, but we've been told by a couple very good sources, what you've probably figured out already: Jeremy Renner is now 100% locked in to take the role of the drunken, existentially lost drifter, Freddie Sutton in Paul Thomas Anderson's take down of Scientology religion in a currently untitled film project, affectionately known to fans as "The Master."

An official announcement should be made soon. The question about funding and when this will shoot still needs clarification (River Road was last rumored to be footing the bill). We've heard the project will go in front of cameras "soon" (our guess is late summer/or the fall) but we suppose that despite Universal passing on the project, the film that now has Renner and stars Philip Seymour Hoffman as a surrogate for L. Ron Hubbard is moving forward (read more details in our thorough script review). More details as we get them...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on April 26, 2010, 09:18:33 PM
i somehow knew he'd be back. rollin with Milton Bradley movie over this woulda been biggest d'oh of his career. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on April 26, 2010, 11:59:04 PM
April Fools!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 24, 2010, 12:45:45 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

Reese Witherspoon Offered A Role In Paul Thomas Anderson's Untitled Relgion Pic? Shooting Starting In June?
Source: The Playlist

Things have been pretty quiet on the Paul Thomas Anderson front and his new untitled religion picture, affectionately known as "The Master" by fans.

Loosely -- or not so loosely -- based on the life of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard (read our review of a very early draft of the script), we know that Philip Seymour Hoffman will play the messianic lead, Jeremy Renner will play Freddie Sutton, the drifter character that becomes The Master's right hand man, and we know that Universal passed on the project and River Road is footing the bill (the company that produced Terrence Malick's "Tree Of Life" and Doug Liman's "Fair Game"; Honcho Bill Pohlad is also an investor in distributor Apparition, so don't be surprised if the film ends up there).

Now comes a few more details from the latest issue of Production Weekly. According to their intel, Reese Witherspoon has been offered a role in the picture and the production is eyeing a June start date. Producing is John Lesher, Pohlad and Jo Anne Sellar.

June is next week if it actually starts on the first. Could the production really be this ready to go and no one's really reported that yet?

Zero further details are given, but we would assume that if Witherspoon takes a role, it's one of the the Master's daughters who acts as his caretakers and vigilant lieutenants (possibly the one named Mary-Sue). Witherspoon is also attached to McG's "This Means War," which is supposed to start shooting in July, so that could be a potential conflict if she even agrees to the role (she's also currently shooting "Water For Elephants"). However, all of the daughters' roles in the draft that floated around earlier this year were pretty tiny. Sure, it was an early script and things must have certainly changed, but we can't imagine it's been completely deconstructed.

There is one small role of a prostitute who also hooks up with Renner's character, but that role, while reoccurring throughout, does feel pretty small too. Witherspoon can be pretty commanding when she needs to be -- her company is called Type A productions after all -- and some have joked she's not that far removed from the Tracy Flick character she portrayed in "Election," so we think she would be pretty good for the key daughter who oversees her father's business and best interests.

But again, it is just an offer. She could easily turn it down, there were some salacious bits with the daughter in that early draft, we'll just have to wait and see and hope this report uncovers more info.

http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/05/reese-witherspoon-offered-role-in-paul.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on May 24, 2010, 02:08:58 PM
Not suprised either way, real or not. For one thing, we really don't know anything about the state of the current script.  And besides if the film calls for a has been then who are we to judge PTA for casting so accurately.

I'm also not surprised the playlist doesn't know what "deconstructed" means.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on May 24, 2010, 02:28:54 PM
It's interesting that pretty much all of the information thus far has been coming from this website. In any event, if it goes according to the script that is online, it doesn't have to be one of the daughters, it could very well be for the Master's wife.

None too excited about Reese Witherspoon though.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: tpfkabi on May 24, 2010, 02:53:21 PM
she better not do that weird face she does from time to time, most known from Cruel Intentions.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on May 24, 2010, 03:33:12 PM
I think that's just her face...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on May 24, 2010, 03:39:40 PM
Ugh. She's the worst.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Alexandro on May 24, 2010, 08:59:37 PM
she was great in election and she can be great again.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: for petes sake on May 24, 2010, 09:11:30 PM
Adam Sandler used to be the worst.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: New Feeling on May 24, 2010, 10:20:59 PM
she was pretty great in Pleasantville too but it's been a while. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on May 24, 2010, 10:42:41 PM
Well, I don't think she has done a role yet that is really indicative of how well she could do, but I don't really care if she is cast in this or not. On the other hand, she's a name, it's a supporting role and this is a project that still has some chance to lose funding so she is a benefit to the project if the report is true.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I Love a Magician on May 25, 2010, 12:10:06 AM
man election is just the bomb
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on May 25, 2010, 03:50:13 AM
fuckin Freeway is the bomb... i have full confidence in that crazy bitch
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on May 25, 2010, 04:41:25 AM
I don't care who he cast. If Paul thinks she fits for the role, why wouldn't she? Most of the time it usually not about talent, but what character you have and whether it is suitable for the role. Bad actors can make good performance in the right hands. And she isn't that bad either.

Just relax and give Paul a round of applause for his good choice. :bravo:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Alexandro on May 25, 2010, 09:18:49 AM
kind of funny how people react to these rumors around here. like envious gay exlovers of paul thomas anderson or something.
just to remember, witherspoon was pretty much great in everything she did and then came legally blonde, which made her a star, and like every other actress in Hollywood who suddenly becomes "the new Julia Roberts" she's been doing crap romantic comedies for ages now. She won on oscar for the johnny cash film and if I remember correctly that was a mediocre film elevated by great performances from the leads. now she's offered a part in a paul thomas anderson film (maybe). sounds very good to me for both.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on May 25, 2010, 11:26:41 PM
kind of funny how people react to these rumors around here. like envious gay exlovers of paul thomas anderson or something.

PTA sucked me off last night and when he finished i looked down at him and said 'you're so PTGAY.' none too excited about Reese! she best not do that weird, Reesey face she does! egad! she's the worst!!! she wasnt bad in Pleasantville though.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Alexandro on May 26, 2010, 01:06:05 AM
A true LOL.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on May 26, 2010, 01:52:08 AM
Everyone has that one actor/actress that they just do not like for whatever reason. White trash Reese is mine. I just find her completely boring and forgettable. Even now looking at her filmograpy, I just find it boring. Vanity Fair, Sweet Home Alabama, Importance of Being Earnest, Legally Blonde uno/dos. BORING.

She's just that one actress I can not stand and I hate every choice they make. She's like 1 for 10 in good choices if she signs on here.

Election is pretty ace, though. As is Freeway where she basically just plays her white trash self.  

I don't doubt PTA. Never will. Still, I'd do backflips if he told her to get lost and cast Michelle Williams instead.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on May 26, 2010, 07:45:36 AM
Sorry, I just don't get all the Reese bashing... is it because she's a popular actress than made some successful popcorn movies? What's the deal? I agree she's probably too big a name for any of the parts in the version of the script I read... but fuck guys ease up for chrissakes.

At least it's not Renee.

EDIT:
Talk about a fucking face...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on May 26, 2010, 08:12:27 AM
Sorry, I just don't get all the Reese bashing...

Her complete last ten years, minus voice for cartoons. Enjoy.

Four Christmases (2008) .... Kate
Rendition (2007) .... Isabella Fields El-Ibrahimi
Penelope (2006) .... Annie
Just Like Heaven (2005) .... Elizabeth
Walk the Line (2005) .... June Carter [Arguably good I guess...]
Vanity Fair (2004) .... Becky Sharp
Legally Blonde 2: Red, White & Blonde (2003) .... Elle Woods
... aka "Cutie Blonde 2: Happy Max" - Japan (English title) [what a title!!!]
Sweet Home Alabama (2002) .... Melanie Smooter
The Importance of Being Earnest (2002) .... Cecily Cardew
Legally Blonde (2001) .... Elle Woods
Little Nicky (2000) .... Holly

The only pro of this casting choice is amazing hotness.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on May 26, 2010, 08:18:16 AM
is this the face?

(http://www.cinemademerde.com/Cruel_Intentions-face.gif)

i did a search for cruel intentions face and this was the first hit, i'm not even kidding look at the file name.

bigideas is FREAKING OUT right now.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on May 26, 2010, 08:46:56 AM
Aphex Twin called, and he wants his face back.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: children with angels on May 26, 2010, 10:08:04 AM
I LOVED that face in Cruel intentions! When it happens it's one of those brilliantly bizarre moments that completely shatters the tone and credibility of its film's world - it's supposed to be like a romantic scene with them fooling around and having fun, then she comes out with this devil goblin face; awesome.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: tpfkabi on May 26, 2010, 10:21:41 AM
is this the face?

(http://www.cinemademerde.com/Cruel_Intentions-face.gif)

i did a search for cruel intentions face and this was the first hit, i'm not even kidding look at the file name.

bigideas is FREAKING OUT right now.

that's the one. it's a very memorable scene - for me anyway (in the visual sense).
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on May 26, 2010, 02:57:52 PM
So that's not how her face normally looks?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 26, 2010, 03:15:05 PM
(http://www.moviemobsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/darkness.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on May 26, 2010, 05:02:28 PM
Fivehead.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on May 26, 2010, 05:10:00 PM
lol@this whole page and the last posts of the previous one.
some posts definitely for p's consideration of his five page recap (although he hasn't done one since p.10).

marquee material?

xixax.com: full of pta's envious gay ex-lovers
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on May 26, 2010, 10:21:38 PM
is this the face?

(http://www.cinemademerde.com/Cruel_Intentions-face.gif)

i did a search for cruel intentions face and this was the first hit, i'm not even kidding look at the file name.

bigideas is FREAKING OUT right now.

that's the one. it's a very memorable scene - for me anyway (in the visual sense).

She could play Nicholson's part in an Eastwick remake.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on June 01, 2010, 08:14:21 AM
Amanda Seyfried, Emma Stone & Deborah Ann Woll Considered For Cult In Paul Thomas Anderson's Untitled Religion Film (http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/06/amanda-seyfried-emma-stone-deborah-ann.html)
via: The Playlist

More details on the potential cast for Paul Thomas Anderson's forthcoming untitled Scientology drama are surfacing as it gears up for a shoot this summer. Last week we reported that Reese Witherspoon had been offered the role of the Master's wife Mary-Sue, who acts as his caretaker and vigilant lieutenant. This week, the print edition of Production Weekly reveals that Amanda Seyfried, Emma Stone and Deborah Ann Woll are all being considered for the role of Elizabeth, The Master and Mary-Sue's daughter.

We reviewed the script for the film that was floating around earlier this year and while the role of the daughter is a small one (though that could've changed), it also does have some pretty salacious bits (that we won't spoil here) which will be an eye opener for any fans of the actress who lands the role.

So who will land it? It's hard to say. Seyfried seems like least likely candidate only because she is set to shoot Catherine Hardwicke's "Girl With The Riding Hood" this summer and depending on when Anderson's film goes in front of cameras, scheduling alone could take her out of the running. Emma Stone has been looking to break out of comedic roles, most recently adding the period based, racial drama "The Help" to her upcoming slate. She would be an interesting fit for the role and it would definitely add something very different to her resumé. Finally, there's Deborah Ann Woll, best known for her role as Jessica on "True Blood." She doesn't have much feature film experience (well, she has roles in three films that are awaiting release) but she's capable, and from a purely financial aspect, probably the most budget friendly to join the $35 million dollar picture.

All this said, while the actresses are said to be "choices" for the role its unclear at this time if any offers have been made. Our guess would be they've all read or tested in some capacity but obviously, decisions are still pending. For now, the only confirmed cast members remain Philip Seymour Hoffman in the role of The Master and Jeremy Renner as Freddie Sutton, his troubled protegé. Frankly, those two could could go on screen and re-enact "Baby Geniuses" and we'd watch it, so whoever Anderson gets to surround them is icing on the cake.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on June 01, 2010, 09:43:26 AM
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb52/The_Playlist/movies/seyfried-stone-woll-master.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on June 01, 2010, 09:46:38 AM
i think i might be in love with all three of them

EDIT - did anyone else get super turned on like me when emma stone did her Annie Potts impression in zombieland? lol maybe i've gone too far; being too honest.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Alexandro on June 01, 2010, 11:44:00 AM
he should cast all three of them a la buñuel.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 01, 2010, 12:38:05 PM
Fivehead: The Movie.

They're creepy, ill give them that.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on June 01, 2010, 12:43:59 PM
Is Scientology the kind of sect with lots of sex?

Kidding aside (not really tho), if this turn out to be true it's really great, I like Emma Stone.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on June 01, 2010, 01:05:23 PM
I think i have to with Emma Stone on this one.  I have complete faith though in whatever Paul does.

And does the playlist have some kind of pt news hotline they're in contact with.  It seems like they're always the one with news/breaking a story.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on June 01, 2010, 02:31:19 PM
Emma Stone will absolutely need this to recover from Paper Man.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on June 02, 2010, 01:17:05 AM
Emma Stone will absolutely need this to recover from Paper Man.

No no no, she just needs to get naked on screen.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on June 02, 2010, 07:06:58 AM
Emma Stone will absolutely need this to recover from Paper Man.

No no no, she just needs to get naked on screen.

Don't make it weird! We were all trying to be tame and bon enfant.

I hope PTA is not a lurker anymore (was that rumor ever true?) or else you might've jinxed the whole thing.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on June 02, 2010, 04:10:03 PM
I hope PTA is not a lurker anymore (was that rumor ever true?) or else you might've jinxed the whole thing.

No it was never true. Get a hold of yourself
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on June 02, 2010, 06:19:58 PM
I hope PTA is not a lurker anymore (was that rumor ever true?) or else you might've jinxed the whole thing.

No it was never true. Get a hold of yourself

It happened though. I think. Did it?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Champion Souza on June 02, 2010, 08:43:18 PM
(http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on June 02, 2010, 09:44:56 PM
Champion Souza saves page 26
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on June 03, 2010, 11:08:13 PM
VIA: SLASHFILM
Jeremy Renner in Final Negotiations to Join The Avengers; What About His Role in Paul Thomas Anderson’s Next Film?
Posted on Thursday, June 3rd, 2010 by Russ Fischer



(http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/renner_hawkeye.jpg)



Man, the past twenty-four hours have been all Marvel, all the time. From Captain America and Thor concept art to more Cap casting and now this confirmation of a rumor that started around Thanksgiving of last year: Jeremy Renner is close to signing a deal to appear in The Avengers as the hero Hawkeye.
This came up last November, when Renner mentioned that he’d talked to Marvel about the part. (”Hawkeye could be interesting. They’re going to send me some stuff on it, see what it is.”) But he quickly backed away from the idea, and later said the movie was too far off to really consider.
Now there’s a director (Joss Whedon) and things are moving into pre-production, so evidently that is enough. THR says this won’t be a cash cow, however — to keep costs down, everyone is taking a pay cut.
But there’s a shadow of bad news. Renner has recently seemed like a lock to play the second male lead in Paul Thomas Anderson’s The Master, but in the wake of Universal passing on the film, it appears that financing isn’t coming together. THR says “while he still has definite interest in Anderson’s film, that project is still cobbling financing and has seen its start pushed back several times.”


Read more: Jeremy Renner in Final Negotiations to Join The Avengers; What About His Role in Paul Thomas Anderson’s Next Film? | /Film http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/06/03/jeremy-renner-avengers-paul-thomas-andersons-master/#ixzz0pr0ZpL9R
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 03, 2010, 11:33:00 PM
i really don't give a shit about Renner, if he's gone then good for him, he's making smart choices by cashing in on his recent clout, and he definitely can't be blamed for it - he waited decades for a break like this. in fact the whole cast could change and it would only be par for the course with PTA and his films. see: beatty/reynolds; leo/wahlberg; and i'm not sure but i think jason robards wasn't his first choice in maggie; penn/PSH; some newb actor who couldn't handle the pressure/Dano. so this is totally expected.

the real news to me is that PTA is having financing problems on the film. this is a huge problem that he will have to face the rest of his life unless he starts making HITS every now and then. i don't think anyone will get the kubrick or eastwood or spielberg treatment anymore and get carte blanche for whatever idea they get. but if PTA is going to live up to his destiny, and he MUST, he needs to either start coming up with films that are within reasonable budget limits, or do a soderbergh, or somehow hope that a studio will recognize his kubrickality and give him financial backing for the rest of his life.

kubrick of course had to make some massive changes to his shooting methods in order to keep things in budget and to allow himself more TIME to get things right. PTA himself said that when he was at the EWS set he couldn't believe how wasteful his own process is compared to a set where the gaffer does his thing and goes home.. the point is maybe the game is tougher nowadays (and with the focus on franchises and blockbusters this is probably true), and maybe even if he makes the next avatar that won't be a guarrantee that he will have security for his future films -- but something has to happen cos he will never live up to his potential if every movie gets delayed cos he's struggling for an extra few million.

i think part of his problem is he's too in love with america to ever want to set up base anywhere other than LA or NYC. kubrick found it to be the case that those were the only places he could live in the US and still be within reach of the resources he needed to make his films -- this was in the early 60s -- so he made his big move like the logical man he was and set up a new home near a good english studio with solid crews and saved himself HEAPS of money. this single thing probably guarranteed his financial security more than sending the gaffer home at lunchtime. and even that couldn't save him from the long arm of hollywood when the failure of Waterloo affected his own financing of Napoleon.

PTA needs to consider doing something similar. there are now many more hubs all over the world where an established director could set up a good english-speaking base. it's a tough choice but if he stays in LA he's never going to get the financial freedom that comes with international incentives.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 04, 2010, 12:15:34 AM
PTA just could extend himself into more of a producer label and try to support more commercial projects that are within the range of his personality. It's the second option for "auteur" filmmakers who want to keep their films as their films, but a certain clout has to be established within the business to become a workable producer. Still, for some films, a producer could mean as much as him handing over his name. It also could mean him overseeing a lot more, but it could get good financial work. David Gordon Green is making some fine comedies for his style. PTA could easily support these kind of films and not have to direct them. He could help with producing, writing and other things and it's an easy way to promote unknown talent into decent stars. It could give his producing company some credit with studios to help finance his own personal projects.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on June 04, 2010, 09:03:04 AM
I don't get how one role affects the other.  They're just now or not even filming Thor and Captain America so the Avengers movie certainly isn't going to shoot this summer or fall, which is when PTA's movie is going to shoot so what the hell are they talking about?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on June 04, 2010, 06:54:57 PM
I think George C. Scott was offered the part of Earl somewhere in the process, but he didn't like the swearing.

I agree with P's point about needing to make hits. I just wonder if its within his desire or abilities to make a hit. If he could have a project that was in sync with his sensibilites (similar to Scorsese and Cape Fear) with a commercial bent, I think he should pursue it. There Will Be Blood was a victim of waiting for the money to come together (among other things) as well.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ghostboy on June 04, 2010, 07:49:21 PM
Universal passed on the project ages ago. Last I heard it's being financed by whoever the rich dude who financed Tree Of Life is.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 04, 2010, 08:30:25 PM
It's all part of our elaborate April Fool's Day joke.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: picolas on June 05, 2010, 04:32:37 PM
someone has probably already found this. i'm guessing it's not a coincidence.. at the very least it's spooky. Teresa Duncan's blog features quotes from "proverbs for paranoids", two of which are

1. "You may never get to touch the Master, but you can tickle his creatures." 237
2. "The innocence of the creatures is in inverse proportion to the immorality of the Master." 241
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 05, 2010, 10:57:42 PM
and for those who may not remember or never knew.. Theresa Duncan, along with her partner Jeremy Blake, committed suicide after a long bout of extreme paranoia relating to scientology .
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on June 05, 2010, 11:00:55 PM
Forgive me if this sounds stupid.  If paul is having trouble getting money for the film etc., would it be possible for QT to produce or is the $30 whatever million budget too much?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 05, 2010, 11:06:45 PM
Robert Rodriguez wouldn't allow it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 05, 2010, 11:18:08 PM
Forgive me if this sounds stupid.  If paul is having trouble getting money for the film etc., would it be possible for QT to produce or is the $30 whatever million budget too much?

no..

for starters, the budget problems (if there really are any) are always a matter of a few million - not the WHOLE figure. it's not like he doesn't have studios willing to put up SOME money, it's always just a matter of getting it high enough. so QT in this imaginary scenario or any one individual probably wouldn't put the whole amount up front.

second, it's generally bad business to get a friend to finance your entire film. like i said before, IF pta was having financing problems it wasn't because no one in the world wants to give him a single penny, he's not destitute and without connections. financing needs to come from proper channels, that is from businesses that are set up already to finance these kinds of investments, not QT just because he's friends with the guy.

finally, i think this whole thing was obviously nothing more than just an article mentioning something that shoudln't shock anyone -- this kind of budget cobbling happens fairly regularly. my point originally was that it might be well and good for most direcors out there who live from film to film, never knowing for sure where they will get financing for their next one.. but for PTA if he really wants to fulfil his destiny he needs to stop hanging around LA. sooner or later THERE WILL BE BACKLASH, there is just no place for genius in hollywood right now, maybe ever.. unless you want to sell out or make movies with turd equipment and distribution strategies like David Lynch has vowed to.

and besides, Ghostboy is right, pretty sure the moneybags behind the tree of life have already sunk their pennies here. but it is my understanding that they are a new outfit who are trying to get behind some auteurs and choosing brilliant films (best films of all time) to start off with, so we'll see how well they come out of it and if they'll wanna revisit the same money pit later on.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on June 06, 2010, 01:44:25 AM
i see, thanks for answering my question.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ordet on June 08, 2010, 02:13:06 PM
interesting developments. I liked p's points. The production company behind Malick's Tree of Life does seem like a glimmer of hope for massive art films. Generation wise PTA is alongside people like Sofia Coppola, Wes Anderson and Spike Jonze filmmakers interested in making personal films. The latest films by Wes and Spike have been family orianted maintaining their style, this has given them better results at the box office. As for the Kubrickality that P mentions I see the two major hairess to that privlage as Malick and PTA. With Malick as of today holding the 1st place due to his career span/age. PTA being closely behind. The estimated budgets for The Thin Red Line and The New World were 40 million and 30 million respectively. I'm not sure what the figure is on Tree of Life but due to the fact that this is his most ambitious project and that he's been cutting it for more that a year my guess is that it will exceed the previous two. EWS budget was 65 million. QT would like to think that he also shares this Kubrickality but he has become a brand, something that is quite evident with IB a 70 million cartoon of self parody. It's QT trying to be QT and failing. Which is funny because I thought with Death Proof QT had gained back his older qualities that had been lost with KB but anyway. The other route for PTA is to make cheaper films a la Jarmusch or even Woody Allen. However part of his style is to work on large canvas or as QT puts it "We indulge on big cinematic set pieces." PTA will be able to continue making films along the 30-40 million range as long as they continue to be critically aclaimed which they will and works with a few known actors. As for The Master it has the potentiality of doing well at the box with the right buzz and momentum around the controversy it can have. As to where the filmmaker decides to reside I don't really see that as being an issue, I could be wrong though. Malick lives in Texas, most of the deals are made in LA and PTA knows the game. I'm sure foreign production companies would be intrested in help finance one of his films like Mr. Lynch with Studiocanal in France. The game is getting harder and harder everyday as P puts it and unless you are QT (Miramax) neither Malick nor PTA have been able to find a studio that will back their projects no matter what like Kubrick (WB). Nevertheless Hollywood is still the only place where you can get away with making a 40 million art film and as Mr. Kubrick used to say: "I'm still fooling them" We hope PTA can fool them for a very long time.
       
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I Love a Magician on June 08, 2010, 08:07:16 PM
TWBB made more at the box office (worldwide) than fantastic mr. fox and wild things combined
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: picolas on June 09, 2010, 01:32:09 AM
i don't know if that's impressive or not.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I Love a Magician on June 09, 2010, 09:45:32 AM
i only bring it up because

The latest films by Wes and Spike have been family orianted maintaining their style, this has given them better results at the box office.

i don't understand the problems with financing when, according to box office mojo (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=therewillbeblood.htm), TWBB made $76 million worldwide on a budget of $25 million. that's a $50 million profit!

but i don't know how all this financing and such works so it's probably all beyond me.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I Love a Magician on June 09, 2010, 09:45:57 AM
just give the man his money is what i'm sayin
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: tpfkabi on June 09, 2010, 09:48:46 AM
how much of that budget is for actor/director salaries?

will big name actors still work for Paul at a pretty low wage (is what i'm asking more or less)?

i have absolutely no idea about the business side of things.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on June 09, 2010, 10:41:35 AM
i only bring it up because

The latest films by Wes and Spike have been family orianted maintaining their style, this has given them better results at the box office.

i don't understand the problems with financing when, according to box office mojo (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=therewillbeblood.htm), TWBB made $76 million worldwide on a budget of $25 million. that's a $50 million profit!

but i don't know how all this financing and such works so it's probably all beyond me.

I've read a couple times that in hollywood, rentability is making double your budget. I never understood that logic. I'm confident all these budget and box office numbers are way off reality. When I worked on the banking side of movie finance, when everyone was paid, every promise fulfilled and there was bonus money, it was really something special.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on June 09, 2010, 11:21:21 AM
i don't understand the problems with financing when, according to box office mojo (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=therewillbeblood.htm), TWBB made $76 million worldwide on a budget of $25 million. that's a $50 million profit!

but i don't know how all this financing and such works so it's probably all beyond me.

I don't either, but that 50mill profit lacks the money spent on advertisement and the oscar campaign, also the theaters must keep some of that profit, I looked into one site that analyzes film profits and it says that their rough estimates are based on the assumption that 50% of box office receipts were returned to the studio and these don't include ancillary (video, TV etc.) earnings. So, if that assumption is close to the true, CM broke even with its theater profits (im guessing 15mill for advertisement).

 $76 total b.o.
-$37 theater profit
-$25 budget
-$15 adv
=($1)

OTOH, on dvd/blu-ray/ppv should have done pretty well.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I Love a Magician on June 09, 2010, 03:09:55 PM
fuckin superbowl ad blew all the money
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ordet on June 10, 2010, 10:13:56 AM
TWBB made more at the box office (worldwide) than fantastic mr. fox and wild things combined

thanks next time i'll check my numbers first. I'm pretty sure CM has done pretty well with tv sales, I've seen it on hbo, maxprime and even dubed in spanish in some new latin movie channel I can't remember. It's a sin to dub that movie.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on June 10, 2010, 10:44:37 AM
CM

haha that's pushing it though
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 10, 2010, 10:53:58 AM
i beg to differ. precedent was established on page 6 of this thread:

Was just rewatching CM the other night, it is so funny.

which prompted Cine to say the following:

its ridiculous that i see somebody say "CM" and i instantly accept that as "There Will Be Blood".

everyone pretty much agreed that it was a riduculous (but not unacceptable) shortening of the existing abbreviation. then a newb asked what the letters mean, and i obliged with a thorough retelling of the backstory.. all this was followed immediately by YOU posting this:

haha I PMed stefen a couple days ago to ask him what it was all about

good 'birth of a gag' story, I like the devotion in it, I think kids should look it up.

this has been another flashback brought to you by pubrick's flashbacks for fish-heads.. The More You Know Remember!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on June 10, 2010, 11:13:53 AM
oh demon alcohol
memories I cannot recall,
who thought I would fall
a slave to demon alcohol

- Ray Davies/Pas
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: pete on June 16, 2010, 08:28:16 PM
sometimes studios put up with expensive indie/arthouse films because they want to establish a relationship with the new directors and have some extra change floating around after a few summer tentpole films.  PTA is not a new director and times are pretty hard right now for the studios, which is putting strain on every film ever, not just on PTA.  I don't believe his situation is unique.  But, for a routine story like this to be reported, it means a) it's fun for film journalists to shit on successful likable directors and their typical luck and b) someone somewhere wanted to put some sort of pressure on this project.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on June 24, 2010, 09:44:58 AM
Deborah Ann Woll Confirms Talks For Paul Thomas Anderson's Untitled Religious Drama; PTA Still Working On Script (http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/06/deborah-ann-woll-confirms-talks-for.html)

Despite only playing a supporting role in the popular increasingly campy HBO series "True Blood," Deborah Ann Woll looks to have caught the eye of Hollywood with the actress now confirming talks between her and Paul Thomas Anderson about his upcoming untitled religious drama.

Woll was originally reported to be one of three actress along side Amanda Seyfried and Emma Stone being eyed for the role of Elizabeth, the daughter to the lead character to be played by Philip Seymour Hoffman, with the interest now evidently leading to early discussions of some sort.

"There’s nothing official," Woll told Movieline. " [But] I will say that I have talked with him, and he’s very nice. I don’t think we or he is anywhere near making a decision — I think he’s still working on the script, so he’s got that job to do. There’s really nothing official there, it’s just some interest that he and I both have."

The actress is certainly capable of holding her own shining amongst the talented likes of Anna Paquin, Stephen Moyer and Alexander Skarsgard in "True Blood." She'd be a great fit, we think, along side Hoffman and Jeremy Renner, who is attached to play his troubled protege Freddie Sutton.

However, as Woll affirms, speculation should probably be set aside for now as it's only early days in the project's development with PTA evidently still tinkering on the script, which is not a surprise considering the draft that leaked earlier this year was incomplete, featuring lots of placeholders that needed to be filled in. A June start was briefly and erroneously mentioned but with Hoffman's imminent schedule seemingly clearing up (and a directorial stint at Cate Blanchett's Sydney Theater Company due to begin in October) and Renner having passed on the August shooting "Battleship" for it, a late summer start is probably not out of the question for the River Road production just yet.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 25, 2010, 12:19:42 AM
wait, so Renner is IN again?

he's flipped so many times i don't remember what the last flip landed on.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: blackmirror on July 11, 2010, 05:48:05 PM
perhaps it is hoping too much that barbara harris would prorogue her retirement and appear in this film…
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9641/73781682.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: bluejaytwist on July 15, 2010, 01:43:52 AM
just spoke to paul @ largo. sounds like august is the date that shit starts. boom.
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2010/07/exclusive-master-set-to-shoot-very-soon.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on July 15, 2010, 01:48:48 AM
just spoke to paul @ largo. sounds like august is the date that shit starts. boom.

your first bona fide scoop since site resurrection.

good job!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: bluejaytwist on July 15, 2010, 01:50:43 AM
thank you sir. maya and armisen were there. everyone was wonderfully toasted. it was lovely.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on July 15, 2010, 02:15:33 AM
So is Renner for sure in?  I don't think we've gotten a real confirmation of that yet.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: bluejaytwist on July 15, 2010, 02:19:51 AM
we didnt get into that. might be seeing him and albert again this week.
i am terrified this was secret news. forgive the vagueness of everything.
i just try to talk normally and not be too 'interview'ish - which sucks cuz thats supposed to be the point...
but...

(ps: thanks for the news link above but the link is currently muddled)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on July 15, 2010, 02:25:07 AM
Christmas 2011 seems like a good release date.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on July 15, 2010, 03:14:18 AM
(ps: thanks for the news link above but the link is currently muddled)

fixed!

let's hope it wasn't so ultra secret that this ends up being the last bit of ptanderson.info you ever get.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: bluejaytwist on July 15, 2010, 03:18:37 AM
well, we are sort of past the awkward stage of me initially being the "webguy" (and how things ended with the old site)
so its tough to know when im getting information conversationally or confidentially. i feel a bit sickkk but im sure all is fine...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on July 15, 2010, 07:34:56 AM
Awesome!  That means lots of casting soon.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on July 15, 2010, 04:59:23 PM
awesome news. can't wait to see who will be the next vincent froio.

all in all a good day for the cinephiles, along with the starting date of this there's the trailer of the social network and the criterion treatment of paths of glory.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on July 15, 2010, 05:27:51 PM
BUT WILL IT BE SCORELESS???
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on September 11, 2010, 03:24:22 PM
Emma Stone dispels rumors about her involvement in The Master to Collider.com (http://www.collider.com/2010/09/11/emma-stone-interview-easy-a/)

Quote
"The Master? Oh no, I’m not involved with that. That’s just one of the IMDb rumors."
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on September 11, 2010, 09:01:27 PM
Fivehead is out? Good.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Convael on September 20, 2010, 08:17:23 AM
http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/09/paul-thomas-andersons-untitled.html

Paul Thomas Anderson's Untitled Religious Drama Starring Philip Seymour Hoffman & Jeremy Renner "Postponed Indefinitely"

With a planned August start date having come and gone with no news, things weren't exactly looking upbeat for Paul Thomas Anderson's 50s-set religious drama tentatively titled "The Master." Now, however, comes confirmation of the film's temporary demise with potential star Jeremy Renner unfortunately revealing to Total Film's latest print edition that it has been "postponed indefinitely at this point."

"I was really bummed about that," Renner revealed. "It really kind of stalled because when we were rehearsing — Phil, Paul and myself — we kept coming up against a wall that we couldn't overcome. Or at least Paul couldn't overcome."

And confirming the project's stalemate, Hoffman revealed in an interview with The Playlist during press rounds for "Jack Goes Boating" that "I don't have any new information ['The Master']. I really mean that, I'm not being obtuse. I don't quite know what that is at the moment, but hopefully I will and hopefully I'll be part of something soon. It would be great to work with him again."

It's a tragic turn for the highly promising project but is it merely a hurdle for the production or will the project end up in purgatory and be one for cinematic trivia in years to come? At this stage, things certainly don't sound too optimistic with what sounds like repeated obstacles hindering the project's development, but we'll keep our fingers crossed.

The film was set to follow the rise of a particular religion, The Cause — bearing striking resemblance to Scientology — through the story of a charismatic intellectual leader (highly reminiscent of L. Ron Hubbard) and his apprentice Freddie Sutton; roles which were filled by Anderson regular Philip Seymour Hoffman and Renner. On top of that, Reese Witherspoon was reportedly offered the role of the Master's wife Mary Sue while the likes of Amanda Seyfried, Emma Stone and Deborah Ann Woll were apparently considered for the role of his daughter Elizabeth.

Our review of an early, early script was certainly impressed with PTA's writing and described the story as "the battle for Freddie's soul which has been seduced by the dark charms of the master, but even that is far too simple a description of this layered, mysterious and at times very ambiguous tale." That said, we did predict potential hurdles in getting this made noting that "if intelligent dramas are being threatened with extinction of late (or at least at a certain budget), surely this could become a problem for PTA." Hopefully, our words can be proven wrong at some stage.

River Road were backing the production -— after Universal passed — though it remains to be seen if the project will remain under the shingle. Here's hoping things pick up at some stage in the future.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I Love a Magician on September 20, 2010, 08:28:51 AM
knife to the heart
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on September 20, 2010, 08:49:10 AM
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l91t1jOavE1qappjoo1_r1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on September 20, 2010, 09:55:17 AM
time to dust off that old script.pdf in my "in case of emergency" folder.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on September 20, 2010, 11:06:21 AM
April Fools?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on September 20, 2010, 12:27:38 PM
Move on the movie (http://veronikanagy.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/piggybank_sm1.jpg), or and the pig gets it.  No?  It doesn't work like that.  Oh... :(
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on September 20, 2010, 12:38:27 PM
It's going to be 5 years before we get another PTA film. We'll all have moved on and xixax prob won't even exist anymore.

EDIT: this prediction better come true or this dead project thread better keep moving.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on September 20, 2010, 04:52:41 PM
Either a solution will come in the next 6 months or this project will gestate for many years and become PTA's equivalent to The Fountain. All in all, very bad news. The latter is more likely right now.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on September 20, 2010, 04:58:52 PM
The question (thats not really made clear in the quote/article) is whether the thing he can't get over is a creative issue (with himself, perfectionist) or a studio issue (financial, practical). 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on September 20, 2010, 05:27:01 PM
^^ that's exactly what I was wondering, it's not clear to me what the reason could be.

oh well, malick begins to shoot on that same day and this gets postponed  :yabbse-undecided:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on September 20, 2010, 11:31:42 PM
dammit. thought there was just gonna be a new article posted with Renner saying:

I'm out.

i think it's creative issues w/himself.. first weeks of pee dee el shooting gone to scraps :idea: to anybody else's mind?

yabbse-sad indeed.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Bethie on September 20, 2010, 11:51:52 PM
ugh. depressing.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: cine on September 20, 2010, 11:52:46 PM
doesn't sound like a studio issue at all and everything to do with paul's vision.

and hey, there's always Thor.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on September 21, 2010, 01:57:52 AM
I mean, I guess that's funny.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Marty McSuperfly on September 21, 2010, 05:18:02 AM
doesn't sound like a studio issue at all and everything to do with paul's vision.

and hey, there's always Thor.

This is bleak news indeed, especially as The Wrap is reporting that the funding may have been pulled too.

http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/pt-andersons-scientology-film-postponed-indefinitely-21000

I suppose it's possible that the funding from River Road fell through as a direct result of the creative issues during rehearsal, but it doesn't bode well for the future of film.

Even if PTA can resolve the casting/performance/whatever problems, who's to say anyone will be waiting in the wings with a bucket of cash?

My prediction: PTA will put it on the backburner and, in a decade or so's time, a hot new A-list young actor will want to be taken seriously and so he'll attach himself to the script and it'll eventually get made.

So should I read the script now or not?

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on September 21, 2010, 12:26:47 PM
At least the Scientologists didn't murder PTA, let's be thankful of that.  They just had his movie postponed indefinitely.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: md on September 21, 2010, 06:58:41 PM
DUDE FUCKING BLAME IT ON BEN AFFLECK...THAT MOTHAFUCKA BRAINWASHED RENNER...

No wonder PTA hated that dude
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on September 21, 2010, 08:08:45 PM
He didn't hate Affleck. They made one of the funniest SNL skits I've seen together.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on September 21, 2010, 08:11:55 PM
egad, this thread was sposed to be beautiful  :oops:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on September 22, 2010, 10:19:33 AM
DUDE FUCKING BLAME IT ON BEN AFFLECK...THAT MOTHAFUCKA BRAINWASHED RENNER...

No wonder PTA hated that dude

i don't even remotely get this, can someone enlighten me with a link.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ordet on September 22, 2010, 12:41:36 PM
forgive them for they no not what they do.
(money people)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on September 22, 2010, 01:34:09 PM
Thanks Ordet.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on September 24, 2010, 03:03:17 PM
AAAAAAAAAH, this sucks

ah sorru
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ghostboy on September 27, 2010, 11:54:55 PM
So within a week of getting this news I broke down and read the script.

When it's amazing, it's really amazing. And when it's not, it's because it's unfinished. I can't wait to see the movie.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on September 28, 2010, 10:22:19 PM
I can't wait to see the movie.

But you will.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on October 13, 2010, 09:58:36 PM
www.deadline.com/2010/10/qa-social-networks-mike-de-luca/

Interview with De Luca. He discusses the New Line years and briefly touches on The Master. Probably should have gone in The Social Network thread but I put it here.


DNY: What does it say when Anderson’s The Master is having such a hard time getting off the ground?

De Luca: I think he has the financing. He’s just going through his own creative process, asking himself, ‘Is this what I want to make,’ and is it ready to be made? That’s just what he does.



Title: Re: The Master
Post by: SiliasRuby on October 14, 2010, 12:32:38 AM
or "Do I want to start a war with Scientology and end a beautiful friendship with Tom"
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on October 14, 2010, 02:01:32 AM
Fuck it. Metal Gear Solid. It can go head 2 head with Aronofsky's Origins: Wolverine 2.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on October 14, 2010, 02:02:37 AM
De Luca: I think he has the financing. He’s just going through his own creative process, asking himself, ‘Is this what I want to make,’ and is it ready to be made? That’s just what he does.

that doesn't surprise me and i think that was pretty much what was implied from what we already knew when it was called off.

basically he does this same thing EVERY time he starts a new film these days:

- Magnolia.. probably the first instance of this behaviour, in that case it was dixon and the worm character with unfortunately no time to recast, wasted days of shooting and abandoned an entire subplot.
- PDL.. abandoned first few days of shooting for unknown reasons, recasting was not necessary but from what i understand he did have to rethink the film somehow.
- CMBB.. realised early on in production that the kid hired to play Eli was no good, quick recasting solved the issue but again there were wasted days of filming.
- now Masty.. either renner isn't working out or the way he's thinking about the film needs to change. if he doesn't want to repeat himself (a major concern judging from the huge leap he took with CM), he really is giving himself a lot to think about. at least it seems that this time he did it during the reherasal period and not once filming had started.

dude has always had trouble getting started (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10941.0).
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on October 14, 2010, 12:32:27 PM

- Magnolia.. probably the first instance of this behaviour, in that case it was dixon and the worm character with unfortunately no time to recast, wasted days of shooting and abandoned an entire subplot.


Can you elaborate or link your sources for me, be it in the site or external. i've often wondered why this didn't make it in the film. i know in the video diaries the day they shot the scene in the diner (with the gun) that didn't make it into the film he was stressed out, but beyond that i've never known exactly the story behind this sub-plot being 90% removed.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Alexandro on October 19, 2010, 06:06:01 PM
De Luca: I think he has the financing. He’s just going through his own creative process, asking himself, ‘Is this what I want to make,’ and is it ready to be made? That’s just what he does.

that doesn't surprise me and i think that was pretty much what was implied from what we already knew when it was called off.

basically he does this same thing EVERY time he starts a new film these days:

- Magnolia.. probably the first instance of this behaviour, in that case it was dixon and the worm character with unfortunately no time to recast, wasted days of shooting and abandoned an entire subplot.
- PDL.. abandoned first few days of shooting for unknown reasons, recasting was not necessary but from what i understand he did have to rethink the film somehow.
- CMBB.. realised early on in production that the kid hired to play Eli was no good, quick recasting solved the issue but again there were wasted days of filming.
- now Masty.. either renner isn't working out or the way he's thinking about the film needs to change. if he doesn't want to repeat himself (a major concern judging from the huge leap he took with CM), he really is giving himself a lot to think about. at least it seems that this time he did it during the reherasal period and not once filming had started.

dude has always had trouble getting started (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10941.0).

well, it is comforting to know he's still learning the basics.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: elliottsmith001 on November 18, 2010, 03:24:51 PM
The status of The Master on imdb has been changed from in production to pre-production, maybe it means nothing but I'm excited to see that so I thought I'd say so here:)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: SiliasRuby on November 18, 2010, 07:47:35 PM
The Elliot Smith Who didn't kill himself and had his first post on here gave my hopes up.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on November 30, 2010, 07:42:39 PM
Kind of non-update from The Playlist regarding Renner's upcoming projects:


What about Paul Thomas Anderson‘s untitled Scientology film starring Phillip Seymour Hoffman, the film he allegedly passed on “Battleship” to make, but it couldn’t get off the ground this summer (though Renner’s own comments earlier this fall suggest that PTA tabled and or delayed the film under his own volition). “He’s swimming out there somewhere, probably typing behind a computer,” Renner said, not conceding too much, but clearly in awe of the director’s talents. “That guy is genius. If he was directing the phone book I’d be in it.” Well, at least that sounds optimistic. Those are two projects we’re dying to see come to the screen, so here’s hoping.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/debunked_jeremy_renner_says_escape_from_new_york_reboot_rumors_are_untrue
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on November 30, 2010, 08:35:48 PM
I'd watch The Phone Book.  Greenaway would make a hell of a movie outta that one, too, come to think of it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on January 06, 2011, 08:57:36 AM
Anderson, Hoffman at Altar on Religion Pic
By: Mike Fleming, Variety

“There Will Be Blood” writer/director Paul Thomas Anderson has found religion, and Philip Seymour Hoffman, for his next film.

Anderson has written an untitled period drama that is set up at Universal. Hoffman, who has played supporting roles in most of Anderson’s past films, would this time be the centerpiece.

Hoffman will play “The Master,” as in “master of ceremonies,” a charismatic intellectual who hatches a faith-based organization that begins to catch on in America in 1952.

The core is the relationship between The Master and Freddie, a twenty-something drifter who becomes the leader’s lieutenant. As the faith begins to gain a fervent following, Freddie finds himself questioning the belief system he has embraced, and his mentor.

Anderson's treatment of religion was cynical in "There Will Be Blood." Here, the scrutiny isn't specifically directed toward faith-based movements like Scientology or Mormonism that are newcomers compared to established religions. Anderson explores the need to believe in a higher power, the choice of which to embrace, and the point at which a belief system graduates into a religion. . 

Universal, which has become very selective about green lighting adult dramas, won’t make a decision on Anderson’s $35 million budget pic until he delivers his finished script. His hope is to make the picture next year, sources said.

Anderson’s frequent collaborator, JoAnne Sellar, is the producer. 

Hoffman made his breakthrough in the cast of Anderson’s “Boogie Nights,” and has also appeared in the Anderson-directed “Hard Eight,” “Punch-Drunk Love” and “Magnolia.”

Neither the studio nor reps for Anderson or Hoffman would comment.

Over a year ago since we got this news.  Isn't it sad that we don't seem to be any closer to seeing the film?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on January 06, 2011, 10:03:17 AM
Universal, which has become very selective about green lighting adult dramas, won’t make a decision on Anderson’s $35 million budget pic until he delivers his finished script.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: john on February 10, 2011, 06:48:42 PM
"Paul Thomas Anderson’s Scientolgy Movie and Inherent Vice Adaptation Close to Finding Financing"

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/02/paul_thomas_anderson.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 10, 2011, 06:54:39 PM
How great would it be if we got two new PTA films instead of just one?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on February 10, 2011, 07:19:12 PM
YOU MEAN WE GET BOTH!?  :shock: I think I might cry
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on February 10, 2011, 11:09:38 PM
YES!  What a nice surprise.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on February 10, 2011, 11:54:39 PM
FKKF
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 10, 2011, 11:55:32 PM
So if we only get one, which do we want?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on February 11, 2011, 12:28:11 AM
I find myself waaay more drawn to Inherent Vice, even though I don't know WTF it's about. It just seems like his sprawling, laid back Jackie Brown sort of thing and it just seems like it'd be funny and very visual ( again IDK WTF it's about )

but The Master just has to be done. I want to see him enter territory he hasn't been in before. I sort of know what that's about and I'm kind of bored by the subject matter really, I'm not even gonna read the script I just wanna see what he'll do with it. Really looking forward to PSH on his bullshit again.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 11, 2011, 12:54:06 AM
I wondered if the reason the Master fell through was financial, but the original article made it seem like it was creative. Maybe it was creative and when Anderson languished on the process, he lost the money as well...I don't know, but its hopeful news that a young billionaire is ready to invest in his projects. Yet, it also sounds like a convenient article to write by naming two projects he's been attached to so I will keep a level of skepticism to its authenticity.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on February 14, 2011, 02:06:38 AM
this is amazing news (was my reaction when i heard it about it a few days ago..) but what's really cool is that these films already will have a great behind the scenes story to be told. i mean what is really going on when the greatest director of his generation is still having trouble finding finance? there must be something going on here.. $35 million is NOT much by modern movie budget standards, especially when EVERY major actor in the business wants to work with him..

in the 70s there was so much drama behind the scenes and so many great stories came out eventually about the debauchery or really cool back stories to movies getting made.. i imagine PTA wining and dining BILLIONAIRES trying to find one that will want to be his patron.. he's thinking long term here.. he can't just be living film to film on the whim of some asshole studio exec who is only thinking of covering his own ass.

that's PTA again learning from kubrick again.. the reason old Kubes managed to sustain an amazing career, Napoleon notwithstanding, is that he got warner bros to be his sugar daddy. i have no idea who this megan ellison chick is but if she goes through with it she will immortalise her name forever as being responsible for some of the best works of art to be created. but seriously WHY can't he raise $35million?  even with RDjr attached? some intrepid journo better get to the bottom of this and publish a hard hitting expose on what is really going on in the back rooms of hollywood.

oh that's another thing, as i've said before, if pta wants to be artistically free PTA needs to get the fuck out of america (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=10940.msg292661#msg292661).
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on February 14, 2011, 05:14:04 AM
This had to be Larry Ellison's daughter. His son produces films too. They look like kinda douchy people but hey whatever if they finance this, it's all good.

These two are heir to a 25g fortune btw
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: tpfkabi on February 14, 2011, 10:18:45 AM
i mean what is really going on when the greatest director of his generation is still having trouble finding finance? there must be something going on here.. $35 million is NOT much by modern movie budget standards, especially when EVERY major actor in the business wants to work with him..

This has been mind boggling to me that he can't get a project made even at that price...or is it Scientology secretly ruining everything for him.. muhahahaha
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on February 14, 2011, 11:12:03 AM
Considering all the off-again on-again status with "the master" I've decided to read a bit of the script that was posted by Marty on this thread.

I'm on page 23 and I'm curious, how early was this draft? there are so many typos in it that it seems to not only be PTA's first draft, but a leak so early he hadn't even used spell check yet.

is there any speculation i missed in regard to how early this draft is and if it's changed considerably since it was posted?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on February 14, 2011, 11:15:47 AM
PTA's not known for being a great speller or grammatical wizard.  His scripts are typically littered with bastardizations of the English language.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on February 14, 2011, 11:19:50 AM
for sure, in dialog it makes sense. however, there seems to be straight-up letters missing that should be in words.

my use of grammar and spelling (you might remember elk lawls) isn't consistent myself. but when i do a spell check, it covers the mistakes I'm seeing in this script.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on February 14, 2011, 11:44:35 AM
Nah, I'm not really talking about diction or dialect either.  Dude can't type/spell.  So what, though?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on February 14, 2011, 11:52:32 AM
naw nothing, it just made me think it might have changed considerably because for all i knew it was his first pass.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on February 14, 2011, 09:25:23 PM
***SPOILS***

Ok so i finished the script at work today. I really enjoyed it. It touched on a lot of the research I've done on Scientology, yet the way it depicts/exposes this information is hidden enough that it works without beating it over your head. Let's not be confused, this script is %110 Scientology based. I also like how PTA has obviously done a ton of research on the matter, down to using the term "squirrel" in the correct way. Those little touches not only cements what the film is about, but also works as great trivia. He even captured L.R.H.'s tone, if you listen to interviews with him from the 60s you'll see he was quite a funny guy; very charming. The obsession with the sea is also there, and the adventure seeking boy inside the Master is perfect, and true to the real man. There are so many other great moments that mirror the past, but I won't go on and on about it.

The auditing scene was my favorite. It really was enlightening to see the master work his subversion while being a believer himself.

I felt the script walks a very fine line, explaining to people the ills of Scientology, while at the same time showing it's strength. I have often thought maybe L.R.H. had some insights into the human condition, and if Scientology had stayed a self help program, as it was when dianetics was first published, then it probably could have done some good. After all the research I did for my thesis, i was left with an overwhelming thought that L.R.H. started off trying to solve his problems, and used these teachings to educate others, but somewhere along the way when he had nothing left to teach he started exploring the "why"; all the alien shit, fueled by drugs, delusion and his science fiction career came later. In an effort to keep producing more and more material he had to push the "truth" further and further from reality. This script captures that insanity. It's a goal oriented religion, with many levels of enlightenment, which leads to a lot of monetary income for the church.

I really like the arch of the protagonist, how something can be brought into your life and fix your issues, but soon the method itself becomes the problem. That doesn't mean some of the self help methods weren't an asset at one point, it just means even the human interaction with enlightenment can become corrupted. Freddie walks away from the church, to end up being someone that uses all of it's teachings.

interested to see if the script has been changed, and what the final product looks like. in my mind's eye i kept seeing a coen brothers film for some reason, it had that quirkiness throughout.

The protagonist, Freddie, seems to mirror Haggis' story in many ways:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright?currentPage=all
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on February 15, 2011, 12:05:37 AM
in my mind's eye i kept seeing a coen brothers film for some reason.

this is how i'm feeling about inherent vice. n e one else read(ing) it?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on February 15, 2011, 12:21:57 AM
oh yeah! def. Big Lebowski influence there
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on February 15, 2011, 02:22:47 PM
in my mind's eye i kept seeing a coen brothers film for some reason.

this is how i'm feeling about inherent vice. n e one else read(ing) it?

the book or the script? if the script, do you have a link?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on February 16, 2011, 12:02:46 AM
in my mind's eye i kept seeing a coen brothers film for some reason.

this is how i'm feeling about inherent vice. n e one else read(ing) it?

the book or the script?

put it this way, one i'm reading is typo-free.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 17, 2011, 12:10:03 AM
Everyone I talk to who has read Inherent Vice says it's a gotdamn chore to get through and isn't even worth it. They all say it pissed them off more than anything. Figures PTA would adapt it just so he could show off.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on February 17, 2011, 12:26:06 AM
those are all good signs. I don't want to have to read the book..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 17, 2011, 12:43:28 AM
Everyone I talk to who has read Inherent Vice says it's a gotdamn chore to get through and isn't even worth it. They all say it pissed them off more than anything. Figures PTA would adapt it just so he could show off.

Hah, it took Martin Scorsese over ten years to read The Last Temptation of Christ. However, when this book came out, the reviews I read said the novel was Pynchon-light and not as audacious or difficult as his other books. However, I wouldn't be surprised if PTA does what he did for Oil! and just adapt a portion of the novel.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on February 17, 2011, 07:28:03 PM
I bought it. We'll see. I have trouble with reading comprehension anyways, so this will probably make my head explode. I've been trying to read Zinn's A People's History of the United States since 1492 and still haven't finished it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on February 17, 2011, 09:05:23 PM
I bought it. We'll see.

i dont think youll like it very much.

i dont think i like it very much.

looks like a good movie tho.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on April 12, 2011, 04:54:52 PM
Joaquin Phoenix In Talks For 'The Master'
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/04/joaquin-phoenix-in-talks-for-master.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ghostboy on April 12, 2011, 05:05:43 PM
I heard about this a few weeks ago from a friend working on it and was biting my tongue so hard not to say anything. Such perfect casting!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on April 12, 2011, 05:06:22 PM
Joaquin Phoenix In Talks For 'The Master'
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/04/joaquin-phoenix-in-talks-for-master.html

awesome news, although I would say the same if the headline said Pauly Shore instead of Joaquin Phoenix, I only care that this gets made asap..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on April 12, 2011, 05:32:20 PM
Good news!Best movie-related news ever. Joaquin Pheonix is one of the best actors there is. Couldn't be happier.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 12, 2011, 06:00:52 PM
I always loved him in U-Turn. Maybe I need to brush up on some of his other roles. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on April 12, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
I always loved him in U-Turn. Maybe I need to brush up on some of his other roles. Any suggestions?

TNT, Toby Norton Tucker
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on April 12, 2011, 06:35:30 PM
I thought Two Lovers was masterful, hopefully most of you have seen that.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 12, 2011, 06:45:59 PM
Yea, Two Lovers is a confidence booster for his acting chops. Before that movie, I would have questioned the choice, but great selection.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on April 12, 2011, 06:53:23 PM
To Die For.

Most underrated Gus Van Sant flick.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on April 12, 2011, 07:10:15 PM
Joaquin lost a lot of caché with me with the whole I'm Still Here fiasco, but there's no doubt he's a talented actor. I was kind of hoping that after losing Renner, PTA would go to looking at younger actors, but I can live with this if that's how it pans out.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on April 12, 2011, 09:59:26 PM
BEST NEWS since megan ellison backing up Paul's films

Great choice; I can see Joaquin as a drunk. Renner was a good choice too but Joaquin seems more of Paul's style if that makes sense lol
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on April 12, 2011, 11:12:44 PM
BEST NEWS since megan ellison backing up Paul's films

Great choice; I can see Joaquin as a drunk. Renner was a good choice too but Joaquin seems more of Paul's style if that makes sense lol

from the 3 or so films of Renner's performances i've seen, his diversity is meager at best.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on April 12, 2011, 11:54:06 PM
i'm with polks on hoping he'd go with a younger dude. or Gosling. was kinda secretly hoping he'd go Gosling. Awkward Phoenix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzX6XXVEa4s) and P.T. Awkwardson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0-R8rKfDrA&feature=related) would make for a nice clumsy coupling though.

i'm just excited that Massuh seems to be pulling ahead of the other one.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on April 13, 2011, 12:01:08 AM
naw PTA isn't awkward, that's just called cocaine
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on April 13, 2011, 12:13:18 AM
BEST NEWS since megan ellison backing up Paul's films

Great choice; I can see Joaquin as a drunk. Renner was a good choice too but Joaquin seems more of Paul's style if that makes sense lol

from the 3 or so films of Renner's performances i've seen, his diversity is meager at best.

 :yabbse-thumbup:

Dude's kind of a bum. He beat a couple of prospects and past their prime journeyman, but he's never beaten a contender. He'd probably get knocked out in this. Make his whole corner look like chumps.

Phoenix is like the contender who never really cared about challenging the champ. He was fine just collecting paychecks and knocking dudes out in their hometown. If the chance came, he'd take it, but he wasn't going to lose sleep over not holding the strap. Everyone respects him and he's paid his dues, he just went about his career in a different way.

Now Gosling, that dudes the champ right there. He's like 50-0. But he might be ducking dudes these days. Protecting his rep.

Now if only Reese Witherbitch can get stuck in a well. She's the worst. Luckily she'll probably opt for another forgettable rom-com instead. The last thing we need here is a Walk the Line reunion. Walk the Line was the worst movie ever made. Can you imagine how, on the red carpet, even tho this movie was nominated for nothing but non-acting awards, the only questions presented are, "Why is it when you two get together, it always spells awards? Who are you wearing?"

Eff outta here.

Jessica Chastain should get the role. Malick approved >>> Mangold approved.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on April 13, 2011, 12:50:49 AM
Now if only Reese Witherbitch can get stuck in a well. She's the worst. Luckily she'll probably opt for another forgettable rom-com instead. The last thing we need here is a Walk the Line reunion. Walk the Line was the worst movie ever made. Can you imagine how, on the red carpet, even tho this movie was nominated for nothing but non-acting awards, the only questions presented are, "Why is it when you two get together, it always spells awards? Who are you wearing?"

ditto on all that, I forgot she was even attached, luckily reese witlesspoon no longer is.

as for renner I liked that choice and if there's anyone that can pull a good performance out of someone is PTA, he even made act Sandler, ADAM SANDLER for effs sake.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on April 13, 2011, 01:09:23 AM
LOL at Stefen's post. Didn't even notice that, forgot withherspoon was supposed to be on this. shes horrible,  if worse comes to worse Paul should hit up Mrs. Moore :yabbse-grin: perfect match with PSH.



Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on April 13, 2011, 09:59:16 AM
Now if only Reese Witherbitch can get stuck in a well. She's the worst. Luckily she'll probably opt for another forgettable rom-com instead. The last thing we need here is a Walk the Line reunion. Walk the Line was the worst movie ever made. Can you imagine how, on the red carpet, even tho this movie was nominated for nothing but non-acting awards, the only questions presented are, "Why is it when you two get together, it always spells awards? Who are you wearing?"

ditto on all that, I forgot she was even attached, luckily reese witlesspoon no longer is.

as for renner I liked that choice and if there's anyone that can pull a good performance out of someone is PTA, he even made act Sandler, ADAM SANDLER for effs sake.

wouldn't worry too much, i've read the script and any role she could have would be small.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: cinemanarchist on May 09, 2011, 02:15:34 PM
Harvey Weinstein Buys World Rights To Paul Thomas Anderson's Untitled Next Film
source : Deadline.com

EXCLUSIVE: The Weinstein Company has won a quiet but fevered bidding battle for worldwide distribution rights to the untitled next film by Paul Thomas Anderson. The film begins production June 13, with Philip Seymour Hoffman and Joaquin Phoenix so far set to star. Megan Ellison is financing. It is Anderson's first trip behind the camera since There Will Be Blood.

Hoffman and Phoenix are locked. As for the actresses, I'm told that Anderson is eyeing such actresses as Madisen Beaty (The Curious Case of Benjamin Button) for a role, with Amy Adams, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo's Lena Endre and Laura Dern also mentioned as actresses Anderson is interested in. The auction was held at CAA headquarters late last week, with Fox Searchlight was also squarely in the mix.

This is the project that Anderson has worked on for a long time, once under the title The Master. He has greatly overhauled the script and now, Hoffman stars as a man who returns after witnessing the horrors of WWII and tries to rediscover who he is in post-war America. He creates a belief system, something that catches on with other lost souls. The film is fully financed by Ellison's Annapurna banner. At a time when the implosion of the indie film marketplace made pricey auteur films so hard to finance, Ellison has emerged as a something of a godsend to the small group of auteurs she is working with. She's enabled Anderson to make the movie at or near the $35 million budget the film was going to cost back when Universal stepped away.

The deal gives TWC a big title to bring to the Cannes Film Festival this week. More to come...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on May 09, 2011, 02:32:56 PM
This is the first word of an official start date right? And just from that simple description is sounds like the script has definitely been reworked considerably from the draft we read.

The Weinstein news concerns me some given his reputation for bullying filmmakers who aren't Tarantino. On the other hand, he has proven capable at winning awards.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on May 09, 2011, 02:36:42 PM
This is the first word of an official start date right? And just from that simple description is sounds like the script has definitely been reworked considerably from the draft we read.

The Weinstein news concerns me some given his reputation for bullying filmmakers who aren't Tarantino. On the other hand, he has proven capable at winning awards.

It sounds like it's been reworked quite a bit, yeah.

Also, because of PTA's early experience with Rysher and Hard Eight/Sydney, he's always been really weary and savvy about keeping control, so I'm not too worried.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 09, 2011, 02:59:14 PM
Yeah if PT decided to stop production because of Renner and other issues and considering is past with hard eight, it shows PT is in control.

Also i was wondering if he was ever going to do something related to war since Kubrick did 4 movies about it. I'm liking the news  :yabbse-grin: and Laura Dern  for the win.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on May 09, 2011, 03:05:18 PM
So, from what I understand, this is no longer based on Scientology.  Maybe he felt that was too on the nose.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: cinemanarchist on May 09, 2011, 03:07:20 PM
So, from what I understand, this is no longer based on Scientology.  Maybe he felt that was too on the nose.

Is this based on what you read in the article or something else that you've heard? I didn't get that from the article.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on May 09, 2011, 03:08:33 PM
me neither.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on May 09, 2011, 03:09:23 PM
I'm sure there will still be parallels to Scientology, it may just be less of a 1:1 comparison as it might have been in its early incarnations.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on May 09, 2011, 04:26:42 PM
I'm sure there will still be parallels to Scientology, it may just be less of a 1:1 comparison as it might have been in its early incarnations.

This is what I'm thinking.

The article I read (badass blog) phrased it  "the new version is still about a guy who starts a religion – originally this was based on L Ron Hubbard and Scientology – but now his impetus comes from seeing unbelievable horrors in WWII and returning home to a suburbanized America in the 50s."  I think I just read too much into that (or maybe Devin did).
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 09, 2011, 04:40:48 PM
The way I'm reading into it is the Hoffman character may be more tragic/sympathetic than before when he was more of a manipulator?  But I'm just squinting really hard at the same sentence as everyone else, I never read the original script.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on May 09, 2011, 05:25:59 PM
***MILD SPOILER***

There was actually a nice balance in the original script. Times when I thought it would demonize the Master, it ended up playing more sympathetic.

There was an obvious tone that suggested manipulation, however it wasn't until late into the script it becomes more apparent.

It would be sad if the script got toned down due to PTA's own desires to do so. With a Billionaress funding you, and she loves your shit, why make it safe for the sake of it? I guess it could be his own attempt to make a more subtle film, but it didn't seem over the top to begin with.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on May 09, 2011, 06:06:43 PM
i'm squinting at the whole article trying to find mention of reese who?therspoon.. and she's not there!  :yabbse-thumbup:

in regards to what is said in that article i think we shouldn't be too quick to jump the gun and say it's changed that much especially based on uninformed blogs. the byline given in the article is still a perfect description of the beginnings of scientology, but don't take my word for it, i have here a copy of "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health" which i will briefly quote from, this is found in the About the Author section:

He became one of the most prolific and well known authors of the heyday of popular adventure and science fiction in the 1930s and 1940s, interrupted only by his services in the U.S. Navy during World War II. Partially disabled at the war's end, Ron continued his research, making breakthroughs and developing techniques that enabled him and others to regain their health and to achieve greater happiness and ability. It was from this research that the basic tenets of Dianetics technology were codified.

so there you have it. the post war spiritual emptiness in america has always been part of the reason why scientology was able to get a foothold. and we should be aware that plot descriptions may not always use the word scientology, this doesn't mean that the film has changed completely or in any way other than the natural transformation that occurs with recasting and polishing of drafts. it's a normal process. this description may have been taken from an official press release which would only state the official premise, and at no point has PTA ever come out and said "yeah i'm making a documentary on Scientology".

and as fanboys i think it's very important to realise this film is NOT going to be about scientology.. in the same way that CMBB was NOT a strangelove-like satire of big oil. that is just a superficial reading. so far it appears to be a companion to CMBB.. where PSH will play a character who is the spiritual equivalent to Daniel Plainview: the self-made success story of an extremely ambitious individual who sees opportunity in people's ignorance. isn't that also the story of Barry Egan? working backwards, the horrors of WWII from which The Master returns are akin to the deserts and vast empty lands Plainview scavenges and the dark, silent, and odd emptiness around Barry at the start of his film.

he's not just randomly choosing to make movies on topics that interest him, otherwise he would just make a documentary. the setting for the film also offers the opportunity to tackle one of his core themes of family at its heyday.. at a time when the american ideal of the nuclear family and family values were at the top of the public consciousness. it's also interesting to me that with this being made before inherent vice, and inherent vice being set in the late 60s, he's gradually returning to modern times again after some incredible blast into space (lena was an alien and jeremy blake's transitions were a prolonged stargate sequence) which landed him sometime in 1898.

and hey, no witherspoon!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on May 09, 2011, 06:40:24 PM

 as fanboys i think it's very important to realise this film is NOT going to be about scientology.. in the same way that CMBB was NOT a strangelove-like satire of big oil. that is just a superficial reading. so far it appears to be a companion to CMBB.. where PSH will play a character who is the spiritual equivalent to Daniel Plainview: the self-made success story of an extremely ambitious individual who sees opportunity in people's ignorance. isn't that also the story of Barry Egan? working backwards, the horrors of WWII from which The Master returns are akin to the deserts and vast empty lands Plainview scavenges and the dark, silent, and odd emptiness around Barry at the start of his film.


:yabbse-thumbup: I like that hypothesis, P.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on May 09, 2011, 06:54:31 PM
I wonder who the DP is going to be?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 09, 2011, 07:44:25 PM
Like Pubrick said , have some confidence on PT.  :bravo: :yabbse-thumbup: I want a companion piece to CMBB anywayz =]

also the question on who the DP will be is still a mystery =[.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on May 09, 2011, 07:49:21 PM

 as fanboys i think it's very important to realise this film is NOT going to be about scientology.. in the same way that CMBB was NOT a strangelove-like satire of big oil. that is just a superficial reading. so far it appears to be a companion to CMBB.. where PSH will play a character who is the spiritual equivalent to Daniel Plainview: the self-made success story of an extremely ambitious individual who sees opportunity in people's ignorance. isn't that also the story of Barry Egan? working backwards, the horrors of WWII from which The Master returns are akin to the deserts and vast empty lands Plainview scavenges and the dark, silent, and odd emptiness around Barry at the start of his film.


:yabbse-thumbup: I like that hypothesis, P.


+1 (btw two awesome posts about PTA and QT today Pubrick)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 10, 2011, 02:07:56 PM
I like this hypothesis more:

it's also interesting to me that with this being made before inherent vice, and inherent vice being set in the late 60s, he's gradually returning to modern times again after some incredible blast into space (lena was an alien and jeremy blake's transitions were a prolonged stargate sequence) which landed him sometime in 1898.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on May 10, 2011, 02:50:02 PM
shooting in the Bay Area?

some guy on imdb claims to have inside scoop that production in June will begin in the bay area (town of Crockett). 

Quote
these recent notices for 40's/50's era folks are for an "Untitled Feature Film." I'm guessing it's a different production.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

They're for http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1560747/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1560747/)

(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0423455/board/thread/181910681?d=182384274&p=2#182384274 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0423455/board/thread/181910681?d=182384274&p=2#182384274))
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 17, 2011, 09:55:37 PM
Also from the imdb boards (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1560747/board/nest/182337320?d=182538140&p=1#182538140)...

Can anyone who has read the earlier script confirm/deny it's similarities to this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wise_Blood
http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1106313753/
(it's a Criterion, ahhhhhhhhhhh)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on May 17, 2011, 10:26:45 PM
I gotta see that, I love Flannery O' Connor, and Brad Dourif, if you can say that in the same sentence.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on May 17, 2011, 10:31:34 PM
John houston again..

That's great that someone identified a possible influence, there's always at least one major cinematic precursor to his films.. either a movie he has been obsessed with or a director he is trying to emulate. He had a long Altman phase and then tati for pdl, treasure of Sierra Madre which he would watch every day and for cmbb now possibly this dude again.

Good spotting imdb guy.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 17, 2011, 10:34:06 PM
(http://oi51.tinypic.com/13zb9uf.jpg)

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/05/master-cannes-promo-art-filming-in-bay.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on May 17, 2011, 10:53:18 PM
Wise Blood is available on Hulu +.

Someone get that kid from imdb.com to post here. Call him up to the majors.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on May 17, 2011, 11:49:44 PM
i've always thought Wise Blood (movie) was right up PTA's alley. as wilderesque pointed out it's strange tone always struck me as something he'd FOR SURE be into. the name Hazel Motes alone is very PTish. surprised it's never been one of his recs.

love the book + movie, never once have i tied either together with this. angry lost soul returns from war, proclaims to anyone he comes across he's starting up his Jesusless church, the conman who sees $$ in such a religion involving a false prophet...

alright i'm convinced................There Wise Be Blood.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on May 17, 2011, 11:58:58 PM
alright i'm convinced................There Wise Be Blood

haha.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on May 18, 2011, 05:54:59 AM
Wise Blood is more quirky then I expect the Master to be though...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on May 18, 2011, 09:34:57 AM
that promo art is great, looks ChereMill-ish. it's like the master is watching from a distance when the oil well was on fire.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 18, 2011, 01:12:36 PM
latest news made my day  :yabbse-grin:

personally i can't wait till P.T is finished with the film and starts giving interviews, i love the charlie rose ones.

BTW anyone think there should be a megan ellison appreciation thread for making this possible?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on May 18, 2011, 01:40:31 PM
BTW anyone think there should be a megan ellison appreciation thread for making this possible?

Good idea, we could post tabloid shit about her and everything.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 18, 2011, 02:23:11 PM
 :yabbse-grin: :yabbse-thumbup:

so much for it I guess.. lol
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on May 18, 2011, 02:54:26 PM
So, my predictions have been a little off, but we're still at least kind of on track:

And we start the pattern of crazy again...

1.) PTA will mention what books he was influenced by for this one.  Everyone will rush out and read them.  Love them.
We haven't heard about books.  This might have been more for CMBB, but then again, I'm not going to put it past anyone to go out and read Dianetics

2.) PTA will mention what movies he was influenced by for this one.  Everyone will rush out and see them and come back, wondering why he chose those...mild disappointment.
So, we've kind of touched on this with Wise Blood except people are just assuming he's influenced by this so far and everyone seems to like it.


3.) Screenplay will slowly leak.  People will read it, come back and tell everyone it sucks, it's boring, "W the fuck?"
This happened much earlier.  Threw things off, but the revised screenplay will leak soon enough and people will wonder about the changes.

4.) Teaser Poster comes out... work of genius... everyone will reference it in every thread here.
Okay, that's just a promo poster... but it's a step in the right direction.

For the record, heres the rest of the list:
5.) Teaser trailer will come out, everyone will watch it a million times, jizz all over, tell everyone that hated the screenplay to suck a D.

5.) Official Release Poster will come out.  Everyone will hate it, screenplay jerk will be all "told you so".

6.) Official trailer will come out.  Amazing.  Screenplay jerks take it back.

7.) Movie comes out... two people will hate it... everyone else loves it.  One line will get quoted over and over.

8.) That line gets so over-quoted and referenced that the people who originally started quoting it will go back and erase original posts in which they quoted said line.  Then they'll say how much they hate it when people quote that line.

9.) Brett Ratner
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: mogwai on May 18, 2011, 02:59:41 PM
Yesterday I read in a swedish newspaper (Aftonbladet) that PTA is interested in having swedish actress Lena Endre in "The Master". She is quoted as that she'd love to work with him. This how she looks like:

(http://iloveyoubaby.blogg.se/images/2010/lena-endre_82662407.jpg)

A m/gilf sort of.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on May 18, 2011, 03:07:55 PM
Your new avatar is beautiful Christian.

RK: your on pace for a pretty acurate prevision there.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on May 18, 2011, 03:31:01 PM
Last night I watched a bit of Wise Blood before falling asleep. I'm going to try and finish it tonight. It's a total PTA film. It just doesn't have the glossy look and expert craftsmanship, but it has the same pacing and type of characters. There were more utterances of the word Nigger in it than any film I can remember seeing. Not a black character in site. John Huston is credited as Jhon Huston and he plays a character named, wait for it, The Grandmaster. That's right. The Master.

There's a line in the movie that is a total PTA line. It goes -- "I know things I ain't ever learned. I got to do some things. I got to do some things all the time and I don't wanna. And I can feel my blood beating and I gotta do this thing right now." that's a total PTA line, right? Am I crazy?

Also, Brad Dourif kind of LOOKS like PTA in it.

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQj0rDXF4o_LT5hupLPVXJ5s_9CA_H5kDH2tnt07zxPheXRXREb)

Even the character names are very PTA'ish. Hazel Motes, Enoch Emory, Sabbath Lily, Hoover Shoates.

The parallels not just between Wise Blood and The Master, but in PTA's style in his previous films are all there.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on May 18, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
you not cwazy, it has to serve as some form of inspiration. it just has to. plenty of evidence in that film as youve pointed out even more. Sierra Madre was pretty well different toneally than Chere Mill. go lure in that imdb kid, he's already a terrific newb.

also he was credited as Jhon Huston because some kid who did the credits spelled his name wrong so he just left it that way. that's classic PTA right there! see Cheadle's remark on PT saying dont worry about reflection in window on Boogie commentary. "Does the kid know what he's doing???"

Your new avatar is beautiful Christian.

RK: your on pace for a pretty acurate prevision there.

oh stop trying to be so nice, Putdown Pas!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on May 18, 2011, 06:09:50 PM
hahaha Poz  :oops:

Definitely not crazy Stefen. Let us know your full thoughts tomorrow
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Convael on May 18, 2011, 09:04:26 PM
Did anyone notice that in the script that was leaked a while ago the majority of Freddie's dialogue in the first scene is taken verbatim from the first few pages of Moby Dick?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 18, 2011, 11:16:48 PM
Did anyone notice that in the script that was leaked a while ago the majority of Freddie's dialogue in the first scene is taken verbatim from the first few pages of Moby Dick?

No, please elaborate.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 19, 2011, 01:50:25 PM
Stefen, you just had the wise blood dvd lying around?

if this a little bit of this film in CMBB and others don't know why P.T wouldn't cite it in some interview or his early commentaries. Still, it does seem more apparent for The Master as well as CMBB but why wasn't it mentioned before? 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on May 19, 2011, 02:24:43 PM
I actually watched it on Hulu +. It's in the criterion collection and hulu has it. You can try it free for a week. Wouldn't recommend paying for it since the only good thing on it is criterion (it's mostly horrible reality and sitcom shows) but I'd reccomend the free trial and just watch a bunch and be done with it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 19, 2011, 02:32:21 PM
thanks for the tip Stefen. I got an email to try hulu plus and it will give me Gold for a $1 in xbox live! to go with it lol



Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on May 19, 2011, 02:37:19 PM
I use it on XBox Live too. It's awesome. It's not as good as the Netflix app and it's difficult to rewind and there are tons of ads, but for that price, you can't beat it.


Add me on LIVE if you get a chance. My gamertag is SRome.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 19, 2011, 03:01:14 PM
When I'm signing up it says that i can actually get 1 FREE month instead of a week lol NICE.

also in the movie "Jhon Huston's" character is called the Grandfather in the credits. Does someone call him grandmaster somewhere in the movie?

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on May 19, 2011, 03:07:39 PM
I watched Wise Blood a few weeks ago, before the new plot synopsis was made public, and also found certain similarities. It was a wonderful experience, very funny and downright strange. While I don't neccessarily believe PTA is making his "Wise Blood," the immediate comparisons only heighten my anticipation.

I watched it on Hulu as well, and I don't have any problem with the service. It's cheap, and while they mostly have TV shows (and commercials), there are more things of interest than Criterion.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on May 19, 2011, 05:36:50 PM
I watched it on Hulu as well, and I don't have any problem with the service. It's cheap, and while they mostly have TV shows (and commercials), there are more things of interest than Criterion.

Think so? What else are you watching?

I dig it for Criterion and a few TV shows since I don't have cable, but the commercials are really bothersome.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on May 20, 2011, 10:47:30 AM
I don't have cable, but the commercials are really bothersome.

Don't want to turn this into a Hulu thread, but I don't get this complaint. 
Cable costs 60 bucks or so a month and you still have to fast forward through commercials when you DVR the shows.  The fast forwarding probably takes about 20 to 30 seconds.
Hulu plus costs 8 bucks a month and they put one commercial for each break (and they usually have fewer breaks).  This is 30 seconds.

Downloading shows, while free is illegal and takes at least a few minutes per episode and the quality is often shit.

So, take about 10 seconds more of inconvenience to save fifty bucks or more OR take a few minutes (sometimes more) of hassle to save 8 bucks.

I'd rather pay the 8.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on May 20, 2011, 11:58:28 AM
Did anyone notice that in the script that was leaked a while ago the majority of Freddie's dialogue in the first scene is taken verbatim from the first few pages of Moby Dick?

No, please elaborate.

yeah, please do...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 22, 2011, 05:11:29 PM
http://sfist.com/2011/05/19/upcoming_movies_shooting_in_the_bay.php

Who's in SF from Xixax?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on May 22, 2011, 05:54:36 PM
 :waving: now the question is, do i troll or kidnap?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 22, 2011, 07:52:13 PM
DiCaprio?? LOLWUT.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on May 25, 2011, 11:29:59 PM
Leo would be tits, but he prolly won't do it. he doesn't do anything..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 26, 2011, 12:43:14 AM
I wouldn't want him in a PTA movie.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 26, 2011, 01:44:46 AM
^^^
Don't even want him in a Marty film anymore....

imagine if he did do boogie nights... :shock:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: martinthewarrior on May 27, 2011, 08:35:58 PM
Starts shooting in San Francisco next week, Joaquin had to lose "a bunch" of weight for it. SPOILER AHEAD Apparently there's a scene where he jumps out of some sort of plane into the ocean. Not much, but something.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on May 27, 2011, 09:08:56 PM
Not much, but still a spoiler..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: martinthewarrior on May 27, 2011, 09:19:08 PM
Sorry, thought people might be into knowing that it starts shooting next week. Thought I was leaving out the actual spoilers.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on May 27, 2011, 10:05:24 PM
Sorry, thought people might be into knowing that it starts shooting next week. Thought I was leaving out the actual spoilers.

That's obviously not what I was referring to.

I don't think it's a big deal but for all we know the final shot is SPOILER AHEAD the dude jumping and now we all know that he's going to jump END SPOILER and we're going to wait for it until it happens in the final seconds of the film at which point the surprise/ tension is completely lost.

So a little warning like "possible set piece/ climax spoilers" would suffice.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 27, 2011, 10:51:46 PM
There's a very good chance of that being a major spoiler. Big enough, at least. Many people are trying to remain spoiler-free. Spoilers edited.

Inside reports and such are great, but please do something to conceal spoilers. There's actually a better color than white... I just can't remember it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 27, 2011, 11:54:48 PM
Damm... a bit to late for me :yabbse-undecided: hopefully its not big spoiler.

I'm going to watch Wise Blood tomorrow  :yabbse-grin: and news about shooting next week is great.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: martinthewarrior on May 28, 2011, 12:40:25 AM
SPOILER:
What I posted before doesn't give away the ending. Or much of anything.
END SPOILER.


I'll try to be more careful if I post anything else about it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 28, 2011, 08:25:11 AM
Starts shooting in San Francisco next week, Joaquin had to lose "a bunch" of weight for it. SPOILER AHEAD Apparently there's a scene where he jumps out of some sort of plane into the ocean. Not much, but something.

Question: how did you come by this info?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: martinthewarrior on May 28, 2011, 05:37:01 PM
Joaquin's sis.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on May 28, 2011, 05:52:53 PM
Question: are you Casey Affleck?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: martinthewarrior on May 28, 2011, 05:56:37 PM
Other sister :)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on May 28, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
Uh, can you always post and keep us updated during production? Pretty please.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 28, 2011, 06:56:25 PM
Just watched Wise Blood :yabbse-grin: (The Kremlin Letter as well which is just as good but more complex)

Out of the few films of Mr.Huston I've seen this is best imo , certainly his most original. The dialogue definitely reminds me of P.T plus its darkly funny. Also for some reason Hazel reminded me of Daniel Plainview in the end of CMBB lol. Wondering if P.T is watching Wise Blood every night like he did with Sierra Marde.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on May 31, 2011, 03:17:19 PM
Jesse Plemons & David Warshofsky Join Paul Thomas Anderson’s ‘The Master’
from theplaylist.

Yes, we can hardly believe it, but Paul Thomas Anderson‘s untitled religious cult flick aka “The Master” is indeed back on track and moving full steam ahead with two more actors coming aboard joining Philip Seymour Hoffman and Joaquin Phoenix in the film.

Variety reports that “Friday Night Lights” star Jesse Plemons and veteran character actor David Warshofsky have added their names to the cast. The film centers on Lancaster Dodd (Hoffman), who returns from WWII and starts a religion not unlike Scientology, taking Freddie Sutton (Phoenix), a former alocholic under his wing. Plemons is set to play Dodd’s son, while Warshofsky take on the role of a detective.

For Plemons, the young actor is making big strides into Hollywood. He popped up in “Paul” earlier this year, and has a role in next year’s “Battleship” but this will add some prestige to his CV. As for Warshofsky, he’s a “Hey, it’s that guy” actor and he also had a small role in “There Will Be Blood.” You’ll see him next in Miranda July‘s “The Future.”

No word on yet on any of the female roles that last we heard had Madisen Beaty, Amy Adams, Lena Endre and Laura Dern in contention for Mary Sue, the Master’s wife and the daughter Elizabeth. But that news should come very soon as “The Master” will start shooting in June.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on May 31, 2011, 03:23:02 PM
Landry!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 31, 2011, 03:27:22 PM
Landry!

Yep, love it. Can anyone who read the earlier draft confirm that Hoffman's character's son and a detective were part of it?  (No spoilers please.) I remember all the casting speculation for his wife/daughters but didn't realize there was a son (nor a detective) involved.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on May 31, 2011, 03:42:13 PM
Lance!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on May 31, 2011, 04:14:50 PM

It's been a few months, but I don't remember the son being a particularly big part - about as large as the daughter roles really. I don't recall a detective role, but as I said it's been  while, and we know the script has evolved considerably since then.

Exciting stuff!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 31, 2011, 04:39:09 PM
MORE NEWS: http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/05/laura-dern-also-cast-in-master.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on May 31, 2011, 04:49:09 PM
Yes! This keeps getting better and better! Maybe PTA can win her the Oscar Lynch couldn't: cheese is made from milk.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on May 31, 2011, 04:58:31 PM
cheese is made from milk.

That is such a disturbing way to illustrate your point.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on May 31, 2011, 05:03:07 PM
Master Vice.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 31, 2011, 06:20:23 PM
... :yabbse-grin: and Laura Dern  for the win.
knew it. Lena Endre wasn't a bad idea though
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 01, 2011, 05:15:48 AM
Laura Dern is perfect PTA casting.

It's really exciting knowing there is a PTA movie being filmed right now. It's actually happening.

Who is the cinematographer? IMDB lists Elswit. I kind of warmed up to the idea of PTA working with a new DP and was curious about the result, but if it's Elswit, I'm just as excited.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on June 01, 2011, 08:37:31 AM
It's really exciting knowing there is a PTA movie being filmed right now. It's actually happening.

yeah! fucking great casting...that jesse plemons kid could be PSH's son. in the last script the son was called Val if I'm remember correctly?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on June 01, 2011, 08:43:17 AM
Lena Endre wasn't a bad idea though

Exclusive: Swedish Actress Lena Endre Joins Paul Thomas Anderson’s ‘The Master’
The Playlist

With filming to set to begin soon, casting continues on Paul Thomas Anderson‘s highly anticipated untitled religious film aka “The Master.” Just yesterday a trio of thesps—Jesse Plemons, David Warshofsky and Laura Dern—came aboard the film and now another name previously linked, has come aboard as well.

Reps for Swedish actress Lena Endre have confirmed to The Playlist that she has joined the film in an unspecified supporting role. The actress was first revealed to be in the running for a whole last month alongside the aforementioned Dern, Madisen Beaty and Amy Adams. No word yet on the latter two, but it appears that so far Anderson is able to get the leading ladies he would like for the film.

Endre is perhaps best known to audiences worldwide as Erika Berger in the Swedish film trilogy of “The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo” books. She also plays Katarina Ahlsell in the celebrated series “Wallander” and has also collaborated with Ingmar Bergman on a number of projects including “In The Presence Of A Clown,” “Sunday’s Children,” “The Best Intention’s” and “Faithless” (Bergman directed the first film, and wrote the other three).

Philip Seymour Hoffman and Joaquin Phoenix topline the film which begins production on June 13th.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on June 01, 2011, 12:01:17 PM
the master...of indecision casting
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 01, 2011, 01:16:39 PM
If it matters, Definitely better than Q.T's casting lol. There I said it.

would be awesome if he throws in Baker Hall in the mix
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on June 01, 2011, 02:14:07 PM
BAM!

Amy Adams Joins Paul Thomas Anderson Pic
Source: Deadline

EXCLUSIVE: Amy Adams has formally been set to star in Paul Thomas Anderson's untitled film, which begins production later this month. She will play the wife of the character played by Philip Seymour Hoffman. He plays a man who returns from witnessing the horrors of WWII, and in an attempt to find himself, he forms a belief system that catches on in the 1950s. Deadline revealed in early May that Adams was being courted. Joaquin Phoenix has also been set to play the faith leader's right-hand man, and I've heard there have been conversations with The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo's Lena Endre and Laura Dern for other roles. The Weinstein Company acquired worldwide distribution rights to the film last month just before the Cannes Film Festival. Megan Ellison is producing through her Annapurna Productions banner, along with JoAnne Sellar and Daniel Lupi, with Ted Schipper exec producing.

Adams is coming off her Oscar-nominated turn in The Fighter, and she will do this film before starting production on Man of Steel, playing Lois Lane in the Zack Snyder-directed Superman franchise reboot. Adams will next be seen in the Walter Salles-directed On The Road, which is being shopped for domestic distribution, and Disney's Muppets. She's repped by Brillstein Entertainment Partners and WME.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 01, 2011, 02:15:12 PM
I'm okay with that.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on June 01, 2011, 02:21:14 PM
The experience of following every detail of the run-up to a new PTA film and sharing that with all of XIXAX has become an inseparable part of the enjoyment of his films for me. I love that we're getting to do it all over again!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on June 01, 2011, 02:32:00 PM
Can't say I'm too excited about Amy Adams. I think I've got her figured out now. She has two modes, but once you know which level she's operating thing she does the same thing every movie.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 01, 2011, 02:34:19 PM
At least it's not Witherspoon.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 01, 2011, 02:41:43 PM
Can't say I'm too excited about Amy Adams. I think I've got her figured out now. She has two modes, but once you know which level she's operating thing she does the same thing every movie.

Amy Adams is great. She just needs a director who will challenge her. A director, for example, like PTA. This has been an exciting couple days of casting news.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on June 01, 2011, 02:46:24 PM
At least it's not Witherspoon.

True.

Amy Adams is great. She just needs a director who will challenge her. A director, for example, like PTA. This has been an exciting couple days of casting news.

I just feel like I've seen everything she can do. If anyone can make her interesting again though, it'll be PTA.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on June 01, 2011, 03:18:30 PM
So awesome that we're going to have another P.T. film shooting soon!  Can't wait!  :bravo:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 01, 2011, 03:25:03 PM
Best news that P.T's untitled project has had so far than getting financed is that Witherspoon WILL NOT be in it.

I'm with some of you guys and Amy Adams. Hopefully her role will be small  and if not I'm sure she won't ruin it. Maybe P.T like what saw in her with "Doubt" and is thinking of making her a type of Scientologist Nun lol. Why not Julianne Moore?? :yabbse-undecided: just throwing that out too.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on June 01, 2011, 03:49:05 PM
The experience of following every detail of the run-up to a new PTA film and sharing that with all of XIXAX has become an inseparable part of the enjoyment of his films for me. I love that we're getting to do it all over again!

word!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on June 01, 2011, 04:26:02 PM
If they're really your friend they will.


And you'll pass them on to us, of course!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on June 01, 2011, 04:33:40 PM
I wish I had friends.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: john on June 01, 2011, 05:14:24 PM
Best news that P.T's untitled project has had so far than getting financed is that Witherspoon WILL NOT be in it.

I would've been fine with Witherspoon in this. She's already proven she can deliver serviceable performances under competent direction (Freeway, Election)

Plus, everybody knows PTA can mine relatively unremarkable actors for the best performances of their careers (Thomas Jane, Heather Graham, Gwyneth Paltrow)

I'm not disappointed about Witherspoon's absence, but it would have been interesting to see what comes of it. So the same sentiment can be applied to Amy Adams. She may have previously only worked in two modes, like Sleepless suggests, but I have no doubt PTA can push her to some next level shit.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 01, 2011, 05:30:21 PM
It's not that Witherspoon is a horrible actress, it's that she's too particular.

Kind of like Will Smith as Django.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on June 01, 2011, 05:36:54 PM
I wish I had friends.

Oh shit, are you and Malick already fighting?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on June 01, 2011, 05:38:07 PM
He tried to wash his rat hand and Malick wasn't pleased.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on June 01, 2011, 05:40:11 PM
He didn't even hesitate. He just turned around and whupped me, in true Texas style. He was so Texas.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Mr. Merrill Lehrl on June 01, 2011, 06:15:13 PM
Paul Dano aside, PT has a knack not only for casting great actors, but for casting actors in the right roles.  So he probably sees something in Amy Adams that will expand the character she's being cast for.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on June 01, 2011, 10:20:34 PM
He didn't even hesitate. He just turned around and whupped me, in true Texas style. He was so Texas.

He was so Texas! You can't make off-handed comments about Mrs. Malick...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on June 02, 2011, 07:41:34 PM
Paul Dano aside, PT has a knack not only for casting great actors, but for casting actors in the right roles.

I think, in a weird way, Dano was good in his role, but the story had much more play in Daniel's world than his. Enough about that though, blah.

After seeing Heather Graham in a slew of movies before and after "Boogie Nights", where I was first introduced to her, I must say PTA pulled a miracle out by making her seem angry enough to actually break a mofo's face with her skates.  So yeah, PTA know's what's up with Amy Adams.

With PTA's ability to make comedic actors cross over to drama (Sandler, Robert Ridgely) and cast them in bit parts (Patton Oswalt, Paul F. Thompkins), I wonder what he'd be able to do with Jon Krasinski or Donald Glover. (maybe bupkis, I just happen to like them both).
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 02, 2011, 07:47:13 PM
You don't have to qualify it with "in a weird way".  Dano was good in his role. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Mr. Merrill Lehrl on June 02, 2011, 08:28:28 PM
Put him aside to avoid the conversation.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on June 03, 2011, 05:26:47 PM
Rami Malek joins The Master (http://www.slashfilm.com/rami-malek-cast-paul-thomas-andersons-film/)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on June 04, 2011, 12:57:06 AM
YES!!!!!!!

Rami Malek was my favorite part of "The Pacific"
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on June 04, 2011, 11:31:24 AM
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/06/madisen-beaty-joins-master.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 06, 2011, 02:33:29 AM
I LOVE THIS CAST.

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/06/here-is-your-master-cast.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 06, 2011, 03:25:23 AM
Isn't it somewhat remarkable that so many high-profile actors are willing to do an ostensibly anti-Scientology movie?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 06, 2011, 05:48:50 AM
Isn't it somewhat remarkable that so many high-profile actors are willing to do an ostensibly anti-Scientology movie?

Not really. at the risk of stating the obvious, it's a movie. Movies generally employ actors. and PTA has the reputation of being the greatest director of his generation so it shouldn't be surprising that there must be a lot of high profile actors lining up to work with him, many of whom probably got rejected because they weren't right for these roles.

also, who exactly is high profile in this cast? PSH is PTA's best friend and an oscar winner, but has he ever made anyone any money? joaquin phoenix is insane and only gained notoriety from being a weirdo outcast, which is perfect for his role here. umm who else.. laura dern is lucky to get work right now after appearing in one of the worst films of the last decade, again by following an acclaimed director. i mean what do you define as high profile? there is no one of the caliber of Tom Cruise or WIll Smith in this film.. those are in fact some of the few people who might think twice about signing up to this masterpiece.

and i hope by qualifying your statement with "ostensibly" you are acknowledging that the film is not entirely about scientology. which would be selling pta short, i mean, like ppl who thought CMBB was a comment on Bush. this isn't to say that a lot pf people will see nothing but a scientology movie, and probably the freaks will sue if the resembalance is too much as they are wont to do and it will result in some controversy for the film which hopefully will translate in financial success for pt, but i really wish at least the fan boys would stop thinking of this movie as being about scientology.

this has the potential to be his Clockwork in that it might make big money directly because of its mass misreading, but the danger of this is he is due for a Lyndon, (and everything that follows), where the misreading takes over and the real film has no chance of being appreciated in its own time.

anyway, no i don't think it's that remarkable.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: max from fearless on June 06, 2011, 10:52:26 AM
Has anyone got a copy of the new draft that they'd like to share?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 06, 2011, 11:26:24 AM
Isn't it somewhat remarkable that so many high-profile actors are willing to do an ostensibly anti-Scientology movie?

and i hope by qualifying your statement with "ostensibly" you are acknowledging that the film is not entirely about scientology. which would be selling pta short, i mean, like ppl who thought CMBB was a comment on Bush. this isn't to say that a lot pf people will see nothing but a scientology movie, and probably the freaks will sue if the resembalance is too much as they are wont to do and it will result in some controversy for the film which hopefully will translate in financial success for pt, but i really wish at least the fan boys would stop thinking of this movie as being about scientology.

To JB's point, it really doesn't matter the extent to which the film is ACTUALLY about Scientology.  Clearly, the number of times it's referred to in the press as the "PT Anderson Scientology Project" means that the general public (the cross-section of it that pays attention to movies before they've been made) views the film as being about Scientology.  Moreover, the people who would be causing a backlash against it, the actual Scientologists, have not been historically prone to rational, nuanced readings of things that might be critical of them.

The fact is, there are a number of Scientologists who hold a great deal of influence in Hollywood, and these actors are taking something of a risk by doing a movie that could land them on the negative end of that influence.  Obviously, they think it's worth the risk to work with the best filmmaker of his time, and I would agree wholeheartedly.  It's a testament to his talents and to the respect that he's earned that he could even get a movie made that, no matter how far removed the final product is from the real L Ron Hubbard story, will inevitably be seen by the Scientologists as an attack.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 06, 2011, 11:35:08 AM
Not really. at the risk of stating the obvious, it's a movie. Movies generally employ actors.

It's "somewhat remarkable" not only because of Scientology's influence in Hollywood (which is not trivial), but because of Scientology's reputation of going after its critics.

And yes, I know it's not about scientology, but many people (including Scientologists) will and do view it as such. All I'm talking about is current public perception, which is all that matters for the point I was making.

also, who exactly is high profile in this cast? PSH is PTA's best friend and an oscar winner, but has he ever made anyone any money? joaquin phoenix is insane and only gained notoriety from being a weirdo outcast, which is perfect for his role here. umm who else.. laura dern is lucky to get work right now after appearing in one of the worst films of the last decade, again by following an acclaimed director. i mean what do you define as high profile? there is no one of the caliber of Tom Cruise or WIll Smith in this film.. those are in fact some of the few people who might think twice about signing up to this masterpiece

We have very different definitions of "high profile actors," then. Seriously, I didn't say "A-list actors."

Amy Adams, Joaquin Phoenix, and Laura Dern... not high profile? At all? Really?

E: Sniped by Polka. What he said.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on June 06, 2011, 01:17:17 PM
these arent play it safe actors here. all the top dogs in this cast dont strike me as ones whod fear to take on something like this. its plainly obvious that it's only better your legacy moves for these types.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 06, 2011, 01:38:55 PM
Well, yeah, mostly. It's only slightly remarkable. I guess Amy Adams is the more surprising one.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 06, 2011, 02:37:50 PM
Pubrick I thought that was a great comment but, which film with laura dern are you referring to that was the worst film of the decade?? I wouldn't say she's that incredibly lucky to get to work with PTA because he probably just likes her acting. she looks like one of his actors.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: squints on June 06, 2011, 03:00:58 PM
Pubrick I thought that was a great comment but, which film with laura dern are you referring to that was the worst film of the decade??

He's talking about Inland Empire, hence this comment

laura dern is lucky to get work right now after appearing in one of the worst films of the last decade, again by following an acclaimed director.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Mr. Merrill Lehrl on June 06, 2011, 03:48:11 PM
It's remarkable when stars take on roles with controversial overtones in a bad project.  It's logical when they do it for a good one.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 06, 2011, 03:54:56 PM
It's remarkable how much we're talking about this.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Mr. Merrill Lehrl on June 06, 2011, 03:57:34 PM
Just means you brought up an interesting topic.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on June 06, 2011, 08:21:32 PM
"laura dern is lucky to get work right now after appearing in one of the worst films of the last decade, again by following an acclaimed director."

y'all best lay off Joe Johnston and Jurassic Park III.
His genius brought us The Rocketeer, for cryin' out loud!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on June 07, 2011, 07:20:24 AM
laura dern is the only actor i'm not so happy about, everyone else is great.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 07, 2011, 11:27:04 AM
Really? She was amazing in Inland Empire, one of the best films of the last decade.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on June 07, 2011, 11:45:47 AM
Laura Dern is awesome, im very happy she will work with PTA.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on June 07, 2011, 11:54:51 AM
Yeah even if I don't love the movie, her performance is pretty amazing in that.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on June 07, 2011, 11:58:52 AM
When she acts sad, her face becomes distractingly ugly. It's her mouth.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: New Feeling on June 07, 2011, 12:26:25 PM
 yet another in a long line of extremely obnoxious opinions by P.  Laura Dern's performance in Inland Empire is fuckin amazing and it's retarded that she hasn't had more quality parts since then
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on June 07, 2011, 02:25:48 PM
When she acts sad, her face becomes distractingly ugly. It's her mouth.

Are you sure you mean Laura Dern?

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2rm634g.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 07, 2011, 03:00:30 PM
yet another in a long line of extremely obnoxious opinions by P.  Laura Dern's performance in Inland Empire is fuckin amazing and it's retarded that she hasn't had more quality parts since then

Dude lighten up it was just a jab at JB who loves the film, and who i was relying to.

I think you've just never understood the joke.

I don't even know who you are, probably another in a long line of extremely oblivious freaks who take personal offence at things I say without understanding any of the context. As the marquee says, carry on my wayward poster..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 07, 2011, 04:12:00 PM
I knew it was a jab at someone when I realized you were talking about IE because i remember alot of yall liking it in its thread, at least Laura's performance

where's that user who got inside scoop on production?  (From Joaquin sis) And who the hell is Jasmine Woods?? she's listed in the cast. :ponder:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on June 07, 2011, 04:55:02 PM
where's that user who got inside scoop on production?  (From Joaquin sis) And who the hell is Jasmine Woods?? she's listed in the cast. :ponder:

Scared away by some spoilers-thing about a plane that probably won't even make it to the final cut  :doh:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 07, 2011, 05:23:21 PM
Figures... Just when we can get some news if Elswit has working in production or not.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 07, 2011, 07:36:07 PM
When she acts sad, her face becomes distractingly ugly. It's her mouth.

She's a fine actress, but I know what you mean by this.  She kind of ends up making this face:

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/polkablues/oh20god.png)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on June 07, 2011, 07:42:03 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg7gg9VWmG1qf7r5lo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on June 07, 2011, 07:47:17 PM
HAHAHA
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 07, 2011, 08:01:43 PM
IF she ends up stealing the movie (unlikely) , you guys will feel like dickheads lol
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: martinthewarrior on June 07, 2011, 08:49:53 PM
where's that user who got inside scoop on production?  (From Joaquin sis) And who the hell is Jasmine Woods?? she's listed in the cast. :ponder:

Scared away by some spoilers-thing about a plane that probably won't even make it to the final cut  :doh:

I haven't heard anything else, definitely nothing that would shed light on the dp situation. If I hear anything I'll post it, of course.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ravi on June 07, 2011, 09:02:19 PM
Move over, (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/polkablues/Kirsten-dunst-cringe-gif.gif),
the hot new GIF is (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg7gg9VWmG1qf7r5lo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: squints on June 07, 2011, 11:07:33 PM
jesus you guys. LOL-to the extreme.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 07, 2011, 11:13:46 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg7gg9VWmG1qf7r5lo1_500.gif)


LOL.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on June 08, 2011, 05:45:34 PM
'The Master' Begins Filming; Set For Late 2012 Release; First Set Photo
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/06/master-begins-filming-set-for-late-2012.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 08, 2011, 05:52:06 PM
YES.

You should post it in The Master thread too.

WHO'S THE DP?!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 08, 2011, 09:31:25 PM
^for real :yabbse-angry: hopefully we will find out sooner now that things are going.

who the hell is Steeve Enfamous ?? lol
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on June 08, 2011, 11:05:51 PM
happy, happy, joy, joy! and it doesn't even have a name yet? Did TWBB have a name when they started shooting?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on June 08, 2011, 11:15:20 PM
happy, happy, joy, joy! and it doesn't even have a name yet? Did TWBB have a name when they started shooting?

yep, the early draft of the script had the title and he talked about it on Henry Rollins.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on June 09, 2011, 12:43:48 AM
setting up camp in XIXAX till late '12.

(http://www.smiley-channel.de/grafiken/smiley/camping/smiley-channel.de_camping001.gif)


callsies: this is the greatest movie that ever lived.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on June 09, 2011, 09:06:57 AM
Jack Fisk Confirmed As Production Designer For 'The Master'
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/06/jack-fisk-confirmed-production-designer.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on June 09, 2011, 01:37:29 PM
There is something about her that rubs me the wrong way, the Gif shows it quite well. That half disgusted, half confused looks she gives 70% of the time she's on screen in any film she's in gets tiresome. She's an indie queen, but I don't think she has much diversity.

And Inland Empire suffered from a lack of "no" men and a solid editor. not even close to the best of the decade.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 09, 2011, 01:51:54 PM
Inland Empire suffered from a lack of "no" men

What do you mean?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 09, 2011, 03:10:24 PM
????????????????????????????????????????????
 :ponder: :ponder: :ponder: :saywhat: :ponder: :yabbse-undecided:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 09, 2011, 03:29:00 PM
Create an anagram.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Mr. Merrill Lehrl on June 09, 2011, 03:30:53 PM
Whisper it (the anagram).
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 09, 2011, 03:31:52 PM
JUST TELL US
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on June 09, 2011, 03:33:43 PM
Clicky: http://bit.ly/ipZvtV
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 09, 2011, 03:37:06 PM
Clicky: http://bit.ly/ipZvtV

Interesting.

Youth Without Youth and Tetro were gorgeous looking.

I already miss Elswit, tho.  :yabbse-sad:

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on June 09, 2011, 03:45:02 PM
why not writing the name? its not like you're giving away the ending, anyway:


Mihai Malaimare Jr. Is Shooting 'The Master'; 65mm Will Be Used


I like the 65mm part. havent seen anything by malaimare.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Mr. Merrill Lehrl on June 09, 2011, 03:45:36 PM
What a great YouTube video accompanying the news.  Mihai Malaimare seems like a real deal cinematographer.  And he's Romanian!  Another potential gem in the crown of the Romanian New Wave.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 09, 2011, 03:57:12 PM
Wow i remember reading that anonymous comment a while back and literally watched tetro to see his work. putting the descent movie aside, the cinematography of it was excellent.

I need to see what he can do with color though and apparently he worked on Coppola's new film as well.  Also he kinda looks related to P.T lol
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on June 09, 2011, 04:22:40 PM
I already miss Elswit, tho.  :yabbse-sad:

i'll miss him too but this guy is pretty masterful. i loved the look of both Youf w/out Youf and Tets. especially the latter. that lil video clip somehow speaks to me that him and PTA will do good paired together. and we always thought it'd be interesting to see what another DP would do with his films.

i wonder if poor Elswit is bored with all these action flicks he's been lensing, bummed ol PT didnt invite him back (if that was the case) to break the monotony. him and Jon Brion sobbing together over a couple of beers.

anyone want a smores?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 09, 2011, 05:29:12 PM
anyone want a smores?

Let's use Mihai MALOMARES Jr. instead!

Was that joke too much of a reach? Too obscure?  :oops:

Ah, go to hell. All of you. I'll be passed out drunk in the woods somewhere soon.  :drool:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: john on June 09, 2011, 05:43:32 PM
Given PTA's track record of scrapping initial footage, or entire subplots altogether, it'll be interesting to see how much of these first weeks of production really influence the final project. Stuff like that (potentially spoilerish) set report last week, might not even end up in the film at all. Add to that the fact that he's working with a new DP, and I'm curious how much of this initial shoot we may never get to see.

Can't wait to see what a PTA film minus Elswit looks like.

Though, I do hold the small - if unlikely - hope in Brion returning to score this film. His contributions to PTA's films only got better and better... not to mention monumentally better than the already exemplary score work he's done for other filmmakers
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 09, 2011, 05:49:42 PM
His contributions to PTA's films only got better and better... not to mention monumentally better than the already exemplary score work he's done for other filmmakers

I actually think the Magnolia score is Jon Brion's best work.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: john on June 09, 2011, 06:44:40 PM
You know, I actually wouldn't contend with that assessment. You're right. "Masterful" can be a reductive word, but that is a masterful score.

Brion can occasionally lean on these light "pop" flourishes (that he is FUCKING GREAT at, I might add) but with Magnolia. It's a classic score that is beautifully constructed and, in that regard, is a pretty towering achievement.

Maybe the word I'm looking for isn't "better", but "adventurous". Their working relationship only seemed to grow from film to film.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 09, 2011, 09:17:12 PM
The second video of Mihai Malaimare  is great :yabbse-grin:. definitely worthy to replace Elswit, he seems more creative and adventurous.  plus if P.T is still going to be using the 2001 65mm camera that will be awesome.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 09, 2011, 10:14:01 PM
anyone want a smores?

Let's use Mihai MALOMARES Jr. instead!

Was that joke too much of a reach? Too obscure?  :oops:

Ah, go to hell. All of you. I'll be passed out drunk in the woods somewhere soon.  :drool:

I totally would have joined your cult if you had spelled Mallomars right.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on June 10, 2011, 08:32:26 AM
Inland Empire suffered from a lack of "no" men

What do you mean?

Sometimes autonomy isn't a great thing. It's good to have people who put you in check. just look at the new star wars, Lucas only had "yes" men around him. I think this problem applies to mainstream cinema as much as art house. Spike Jonze has had major input to keep charlie Kaufman's scripts a little more paletable. BJM and Adaptation both were way more out there before he put his fingers in it; imo for the better. I'm a strong believer that the more struggle you have with your art, different creative people discussing the material, and not one supreme dictator brings about better work.  Lynch needed someone to do that to ultimately cut down IE

So what's with the Elswit thing? Has there been any (semi)official reason for his departure?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 10, 2011, 09:40:59 AM
My guess is that the schedule conflicts with his commitment to the new Bourne movie.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 10, 2011, 11:41:53 AM
Sometimes autonomy isn't a great thing. It's good to have people who put you in check. just look at the new star wars, Lucas only had "yes" men around him. I think this problem applies to mainstream cinema as much as art house. Spike Jonze has had major input to keep charlie Kaufman's scripts a little more paletable. BJM and Adaptation both were way more out there before he put his fingers in it; imo for the better. I'm a strong believer that the more struggle you have with your art, different creative people discussing the material, and not one supreme dictator brings about better work.  Lynch needed someone to do that to ultimately cut down IE

Oh, I see what you mean. I completely disagree, though, and I'd like to see Lynch go even further than he did in Inland Empire.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 10, 2011, 03:38:48 PM
^^
Me too, but lynch is getting old and seems like no one wants to work with such a crazy old man especially after IE.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 10, 2011, 05:17:38 PM
^^
Me too, but lynch is getting old and seems like no one wants to work with such a crazy old man especially after IE.

The idea no one wants to work with Lynch is based on what? There are some directors who do have falling outs with every level of Hollywood and continuously fail at projects getting made. Lynch is nowhere near that radar. For now, all I can tell, he is not active in feature length films. It happens.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 10, 2011, 05:48:05 PM
Right now David Lynch is like a 10 year old girl. He REALLY wants to be a singer.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 10, 2011, 05:48:18 PM
you have a point but, that was the feeling i got when i watch the "lynch" doc though with few exceptions to some people.

But the reason for Elswit's departure seems simple. When P.T delayed his project, he just looked for other work but now with the unexpected financing he can't just get out of his contracts. I'm sure he will not make the same mistake when P.T starts production on Inherent Vice which based on the story seems like it could be a companion piece to boogie nights :yabbse-smiley: so its right on his alley, unless P.T falls in love with Mr.Malaimare.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on June 10, 2011, 06:29:55 PM
Inherent Vice definitely seems Boogie-like. more colorful. DP got to get it blue, blue, blue. let it bloom a bit and all that. Elswit gots to photograph Vice. he just gots to.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: JG on June 10, 2011, 06:45:05 PM
^^
Me too, but lynch is getting old and seems like no one wants to work with such a crazy old man especially after IE.

The idea no one wants to work with Lynch is based on what? There are some directors who do have falling outs with every level of Hollywood and continuously fail at projects getting made. Lynch is nowhere near that radar. For now, all I can tell, he is not active in feature length films. It happens.

MAYBE THERE ARE JUST NO MORE FISH TO CATCH
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: john on June 10, 2011, 06:57:34 PM
Inherent Vice definitely seems Boogie-like. more colorful. DP got to get it blue, blue, blue. let it bloom a bit and all that. Elswit gots to photograph Vice. he just gots to.

So does that mean when we close our eyes we all imagine IV to look like a cross between Boogie Nights and The Long Goodbye? Then we all smile because it's like a big cinematic hug? Because that's what I do.

My smile will be even bigger, however, if that's not the case at all. Bring on the new shit!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Mr. Merrill Lehrl on June 11, 2011, 03:27:26 AM
JG's recent mania has been all kinds of electric.

So does that mean when we close our eyes we all imagine IV to look like a cross between Boogie Nights and The Long Goodbye? Then we all smile because it's like a big cinematic hug? Because that's what I do.

I closed my eyes and those movies were there, but Aloha Bobby and Rose was there too(!).
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 11, 2011, 03:42:53 AM
Still waiting for JG to make a comment on the new PTA DP since he's probably the only one who has seen Tetro.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Mr. Merrill Lehrl on June 11, 2011, 03:47:02 AM
Still waiting for JG to make a comment on the new PTA DP since he's probably the only one who has seen Tetro.

I've seen and liked Tetro.  I thought the photography stood out.  When the mountains (mountains right?) were sparkling in Gallo's eyes, and the lights across his face as featured in one of the YouTube videos.  A lot of potential I think.  He sees himself as a risk taker and I see PT as a risk taker, and he's youngish and talented and still developing.  Potential for a great union.

But JG should still sound off, manic or not.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on June 13, 2011, 01:23:11 PM
Sometimes autonomy isn't a great thing. It's good to have people who put you in check. just look at the new star wars, Lucas only had "yes" men around him. I think this problem applies to mainstream cinema as much as art house. Spike Jonze has had major input to keep charlie Kaufman's scripts a little more paletable. BJM and Adaptation both were way more out there before he put his fingers in it; imo for the better. I'm a strong believer that the more struggle you have with your art, different creative people discussing the material, and not one supreme dictator brings about better work.  Lynch needed someone to do that to ultimately cut down IE

Oh, I see what you mean. I completely disagree, though, and I'd like to see Lynch go even further than he did in Inland Empire.

I should have noted, this is a problem i find in mature directors. Fighting for final cut and clout can manifest bad things... because they end up getting what they wanted all along; yet maybe it was the fight itself that made for better cinema.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Mr. Merrill Lehrl on June 13, 2011, 01:38:34 PM
The fights themselves seem just as likely to be potentially harmful to a director's film, e.g. catering to execs or test cards. But you may be right that the fighting spirit, i.e. the feeling you have to prove yourself, is beneficial. What other directors did you have in mind, besides Lynch and Scorsese?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on June 13, 2011, 02:40:30 PM
Less Scorsese, but ya kinda.

Coppola definitely (if you listen to all his commentaries he even agrees and can see it in himself). In his early films he considers them a horrible experience, yet he thinks it's his best work.

Tarantino, i think a small budget and making it work has proven better narratives than big budgets and too much gloss. He had to fight for those. More financially than creatively.

Romero - just look at the dead series, you can see a slow degradation from Dawn.

I'm sure there are many more.

but look at Eisenstein or tarkovsky, they never stopped fighting. Eisenstein went into hiding because of his films. I'm not saying it leads to a better life, because it clearly doesn't. It just leads to better cinema. Art is endevor.

Now lynch on the other hand, has a pocket of american and european rich people that will toss him a little, and he's created a way to make films with such autonomy that it takes away what i'm talking about. more power to him, but it might be part of why he's not shitting mona lisas. Nothing left to prove.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Mr. Merrill Lehrl on June 13, 2011, 03:09:01 PM
And then there's Hitchcock who didn't have to fight and made lovely films late in his career, Buñuel who seemed sometimes shackled in Mexico and then flourished with less friction and more personal control in France and made so many great films late in his career. Wim Wenders would disagree with you, and, speaking of Germany, Herzog continues to be interesting in his Hollywood films, but that has everything to do with Herzog and nothing to do with Hollywood.  Eisenstein and Welles engaged in endless struggles, but it seems to have damaged a lot of their output, and cinema suffers for the fools who sought to control them.  Tarkovsky fought the good fight, and it wasn't the fight that made his films better, it was Tarkvosky, who possessed the sacred rage of an artist.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on June 13, 2011, 03:16:35 PM
Then their finding it somewhere else. I guess to each his or her own. I find myself gravitating toward that struggle, and usually when i can see it in someone's work it is all that much more rewarding.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 13, 2011, 03:33:09 PM
Stop the generalizing, please.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on June 13, 2011, 03:41:00 PM
They're finding the drive somewhere else. I think a lot of artists, or more particularly the artists i like, find their drive in pushing their voice past obstacles. sounds cheesy but i think it's true. somehow i do believe these obstacles make it better, by either humbling a work of art or making the expression louder.

He was giving examples of directors that flourished without this struggle, and I'm saying they're mustering up the drive from somewhere else. I also believe this is something that lynch once did, and is now gone.

sorry if it's generalizing, it's just a general belief and pathos I have.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pas on June 13, 2011, 03:58:06 PM
Sometimes autonomy isn't a great thing. It's good to have people who put you in check. just look at the new star wars, Lucas only had "yes" men around him. I think this problem applies to mainstream cinema as much as art house. Spike Jonze has had major input to keep charlie Kaufman's scripts a little more paletable. BJM and Adaptation both were way more out there before he put his fingers in it; imo for the better. I'm a strong believer that the more struggle you have with your art, different creative people discussing the material, and not one supreme dictator brings about better work.  Lynch needed someone to do that to ultimately cut down IE

Oh, I see what you mean. I completely disagree, though, and I'd like to see Lynch go even further than he did in Inland Empire.

I should have noted, this is a problem i find in mature directors. Fighting for final cut and clout can manifest bad things... because they end up getting what they wanted all along; yet maybe it was the fight itself that made for better cinema.

Ha! Definitely agree with that. Often times though, the BUDGET will act as the counterbalance and that is the best way. If a producer is limiting you for the sake of marketability or this or that it can definitely hurt the movie. I find that a too big budget and too much time will HURT the movie/novel/album.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on June 13, 2011, 04:27:52 PM
Mike Nichols was just saying last night (yeah, namedrop) that he thinks the reason British actors are better (on the whole) is that they're not paid very well. American actors get rich/chase fame and the work isn't as good.  You can't really generalize it that much but I think there's some truth there and with what socketlevel is saying.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on June 13, 2011, 10:50:04 PM
Soooo Basically, PT Anderson not being surrounded by Yes-Men = Good Thing

Although I see future pieces with Anderson and Elswit together again, it seems each PTA film features a departure from what we're used to.  I believe it's in the Charlie Rose interview for PDL that he says he wants to go to "the exact left" of wherever he was before in every film, and in my mind that means taking risks artistically AND crew-wise.  There was a different editor on PDL, a different musician writing the score for CMBB, and now a different cinematographer for "The Master".  
As he has likened the crew to being like a band, I think PTA is invested in the people he surrounds himself as they invest themselves with him and the rest of the crew.  
I assume this is what keeps filmmaking fresh for PTA and also the audience so we don't end up with what some accuse Wes Anderson and David Lynch of becoming.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on June 14, 2011, 08:56:41 AM
Soooo Basically, PT Anderson not being surrounded by Yes-Men = Good Thing

Yes exactly, as long as his career keeps being a struggle it will fuel him. If you've ever heard him talk about Sydney/hard eight and the rage he had going into boogie nights, it made that entire film a fight. to paraphrase his conversation with new line, "When you see a comma, that means there is a fucking comma. When you read the word beat, that means there is a fucking pause."

This is a guess/hope but if he was able to make "the master" the first time around, we would have got that version of the movie. I'm hoping, because it's been a fight up to this point, we're going to get something entirely different.  More time to work on the script, and more determination to get it done. All the while getting a little bitter from the experience, which only suits the subject matter of that story IMO.

affluence breeds fat and lazy people more often than not. that British actor thing rings true to my ears.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 14, 2011, 09:06:51 AM
Considering Punch-Drunk Love changed significantly than originally intended, There Will be Blood took years to complete, The Master was retooled and rebooted after he got all the right people to say "yes", and PTA once made the comment he was "writing something I actually like" when talking about the process of doing a new film once, I think PTA himself is discernible and critical enough where the "yes men" scenario doesn't factor in as much. Even if believed the point, I couldn't argue for it because I would have to know his processes of working more. However, PTA has talked enough through the media (well, just barely) for me to believe my original point.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on June 14, 2011, 09:31:59 AM
Stop the generalizing, please.

^ This.

You also seem to be ignoring the act that PTA's goal is to tell a story and to make a piece of art. Lucas' goal is to make as much axillary money off merchandise sales as possible so he can retreat to his ranch and get wanked off by interns for the rest of his life.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on June 14, 2011, 09:32:29 AM
Well it's true, i am projecting my thoughts on people. It's just a trend I've seen, and this is the answer that best fits so far for me. I still think you gotta keep yourself hungry somehow.

Stop the generalizing, please.

^ This.

You also seem to be ignoring the act that PTA's goal is to tell a story and to make a piece of art. Lucas' goal is to make as much axillary money off merchandise sales as possible so he can retreat to his ranch and get wanked off by interns for the rest of his life.

shapes and sizes my friend.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on June 14, 2011, 01:31:52 PM
Set pics: http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/ (http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/06/images-leak-from-master-closed-set.html#more)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 14, 2011, 01:48:08 PM
That's a big ass boat!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 14, 2011, 02:44:04 PM
I've been waiting for this for as long as anyone here, so i don't mind if its little spoilery to see these pictures!

WOW there great locations.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 14, 2011, 02:51:57 PM
For the sake of anyone scared off by the supposed "slightly spoilery" nature of the set pictures, these pictures are in no way, shape, or form actual spoilers. If "there is a house and also a boat" can seriously be considered spoilers, the word has no meaning.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on June 14, 2011, 02:54:36 PM
Ha, yes that's true. But they're unauthorized I guess, so just being safe. These were not approved by Paul for your eyes.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 14, 2011, 03:02:47 PM
I understand completely why you would state it, because someone out there would be bound to complain that you ruined the movie for them. I just want to never hang out with that person.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on June 14, 2011, 03:23:36 PM
what you don't know is that that boat will crash in the house in a major chase in the final scene of the master, so yeah, thanks for ruining the movie.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 14, 2011, 05:37:00 PM
And PSH actually parachutes out of the plane into that boat.

The latest version of the script also includes a fight/chase scene atop a speeding train.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Mr. Merrill Lehrl on June 14, 2011, 05:50:14 PM
I know for a fact that a man dressed as a chicken wields a machine gun (the old-fashioned tommy gun kind of course, you know PT), and the scene has something to do with an ice skating hooker whose honor has been challenged on the day of her adopted brother's bar mitzvah.  But that's all I know.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on June 14, 2011, 06:23:50 PM
the scene has something to do with an ice skating hooker   

cool, their bringing back rollergirl? Classic. Though I imagine it's kinda tough for her to get around now.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 15, 2011, 12:05:45 PM
This has been on the imdb casting of The Master for a while but, can anyone confirm "Fiona Dourif" is in the film? it makes for at least one true connection so far to Wise Blood lol.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I Love a Magician on June 15, 2011, 11:13:01 PM
watched wise blood the other day; i GUARENTEE this movie will not resemble wise blood
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on June 16, 2011, 11:46:48 AM
more happenings~! http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/06/more-photos-arrive-from-master-set-cars.html (http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/06/more-photos-arrive-from-master-set-cars.html)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 16, 2011, 12:38:29 PM
I'm getting flashes of the "Paper Bag" video...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on June 16, 2011, 01:50:03 PM
Awesome, that's exactly how i pictured the boat. Maybe a bit bigger.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: mogwai on June 16, 2011, 01:59:02 PM
PTA casted Matt Damon's stuntman buddy:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Bf76X5NTC5E/Teq2FIqbiBI/AAAAAAAAACk/aWEC4wu6IKg/s1600/jp2.jpg
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 16, 2011, 02:24:11 PM
more happenings~! http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/06/more-photos-arrive-from-master-set-cars.html (http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/06/more-photos-arrive-from-master-set-cars.html)

This is so exciting.  :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 16, 2011, 03:19:58 PM
watched wise blood the other day; i GUARENTEE this movie will not resemble wise blood

I don't know if you can grantee that just yet fully though.  Anyway new set pics are great, someone in stellar is really a fan of P.T :yabbse-grin:. That comment under the blog is soo true, it looks like the set of hoffa lol.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 16, 2011, 03:24:41 PM
Yeah, is the person at Stellar a PTA fan or are they just an employee at a spa where a random movie is being filmed nearby?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: mogwai on June 16, 2011, 04:24:52 PM
PTA casted Matt Damon's stuntman buddy:


Was the pic a spoiler or why was it removed?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 16, 2011, 04:30:26 PM
I put it in spoiler tags, but it looks like that feature is not working again. Sorry. :oops:

And no it's not actually a spoiler... I just found it overwhelmingly annoying to be forced to look at his face every time I navigated to this page.

I'll re-edit.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 16, 2011, 06:16:01 PM
Lol I basically said that in the ptanderson.info thread a while ago.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 16, 2011, 08:34:17 PM
In any case, it's somewhat interesting that PTA has done a number of period pieces:

- Paper Bag video
- Across the Universe video
- CMBB
- Boogie

Tell me if I'm missing anything.

Does he have a thing for period pieces? Why do I remember him mentioning this in an interview?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 16, 2011, 09:09:27 PM
Across the uni and paper bag were favours for fi so they don't mean much, they are non canon.

The significance of films set in the past is really only a recent phenomenon as I mentioned in that post many pages back (or was it in another thread? I dunno) . So you can preemptively add Inherent Vice to your list. I think his films from now on are going have to take place in some old period, as long as he remains obsessed with foundation of empire type stories he's going to have to keep going back (boogie was a proto precursor to this).

I also think Inherent Vice will be a "breather" in between huge productions, like PDL was after boogie and maggie.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 16, 2011, 09:28:32 PM
I didn't mean it was a meaningful thing... maybe just a peculiar preference or a quirky delight.

Do you believe none of his music videos are canon?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 16, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
Across the Universe I understand, since it was set in the Pleasantville world, but I don't see how you can divorce the Paper Bag video from PT's vision.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 16, 2011, 10:15:11 PM
Criterion Collection has been trying to release Martin Scorsese's short films for years as a single DVD release. They are short forms of his filmmaking, but still considered part of his filmmaking history. The music videos had a chance to matter more if I believe PTA was committed and he may be in the future as an outlet in between features, but their shorter lengths does not hinder much for me. Because of their limited number, they are (as I guess) a huge extra on the DVD for a feature film like Polanski's shorts are for Knife in the Water.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 16, 2011, 10:26:19 PM
In Pubrick's defense, I'm pretty sure he meant that they are non-canonical in terms of meaning and his arc... and I think I can agree with that.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 16, 2011, 10:42:35 PM
Yes that's what I meant.

The best of the lot is fast as you can and honestly it contains barely any good ideas, the highlight being where she wipes the screen/lens in the slow part of the song but overall any student idiot could have made the same video (perhaps without access to the old time camera).

They are just not worth discussing other than "this is what he was wasting his time on instead of writing another masterpiece of cinema". And the less said about his short films, the better. They're even worse than scorsese's..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 16, 2011, 10:57:26 PM
Dunno, Couch was pretty amazing.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on June 16, 2011, 11:28:55 PM
Dunno, Couch was pretty amazing.

What?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 16, 2011, 11:51:47 PM
I think if you scope your observations in the right manner, quality things can be said about the music videos.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 16, 2011, 11:53:48 PM
Paper Bag and Try are two of the best music videos of all time.  OF ALL TIME!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 16, 2011, 11:58:18 PM
I also love both of those videos. And Across the Universe. Those might be the 3 best.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 17, 2011, 09:48:11 PM
The Master now has an official title. Not sure how I feel about it.  :yabbse-undecided:

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/06/2-more-join-to-cast-film-now-officially.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on June 17, 2011, 11:31:57 PM
What's the source on that? That's not based on the article, is it? Because the article might just be calling it The Master like we've all been calling it The Master.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 18, 2011, 12:25:29 AM
maybe P.T has been looking at my/our idiotic fan cult posts, as well as reading news with the title and decided he liked it.

Josh Close: As leading disciple makes me more confused on where Joaquin's role stands. I sense that there might be a clashing rivalry between the two.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 18, 2011, 12:28:41 AM
What's the source on that? That's not based on the article, is it? Because the article might just be calling it The Master like we've all been calling it The Master.

I would also like to know the source.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on June 18, 2011, 02:26:46 AM
if that article is the source it aint the title. "pic also stars" - guy wrote this on the toilet from his phone. and where did shooting in "Sacramento" come from? guy wrote this on the toilet from his phone while drunk. I dont blieve it's officially
branded The Master.

pps. i posting this on the toilet from my phone while drunk.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 18, 2011, 02:28:16 AM
I hope it's called The Master. I like the title. It's awesome.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 18, 2011, 07:51:04 AM
The Master now has an official title. Not sure how I feel about it.  :yabbse-undecided:

I hope it's called The Master. I like the title. It's awesome.

How many drinks did it take to bring you around?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 18, 2011, 12:31:53 PM
The Master now has an official title. Not sure how I feel about it.  :yabbse-undecided:

I hope it's called The Master. I like the title. It's awesome.

How many drinks did it take to bring you around?


Obviously I was trying not to ruin the reveal that The Master was now titled The Master. I was trying to get peeps to click on the Cigs&Redvines link since they provide us a great service and deserve the hits.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 18, 2011, 12:34:24 PM
Oh, got it. Sometimes I need things explained to me.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on June 18, 2011, 01:46:25 PM
I also sometimes need things explained to Polka.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 18, 2011, 02:34:51 PM
Still need a source.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on June 18, 2011, 06:45:26 PM
Huh...IF Fiona Dourif is in this, she's technically the Seed of Chuckie.

I wonder how many directions our brains will go in pondering the outcome of this film before it's in the theatre.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 18, 2011, 07:03:07 PM
Brad Dourif starred in Wise Blood too. The film PTA is ripping off!

We got over a year of this to go.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 18, 2011, 11:54:05 PM
The Master might go on different types of directions than Wise Blood or may not but, both will share key resemblances. Both are about a protagonist that after WWII, start a new religion and are anti-christian plus I have a feeling alot of "The Master's" dialogue will be similar to dialogue of Wise Blood like Stefen said a while back in this thread.

BTW anyone been reading the imdb message board with the guy that has a british looking "friend" casted? wonder if the info he is posting is at least half true. If it is sounds good
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 19, 2011, 12:06:41 AM
BTW anyone been reading the imdb message board with the guy that has a british looking "friend" casted? wonder if the info he is posting is at least half true. If it is sounds good

No, repost the info here cos I hate imdb message boards.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 19, 2011, 02:45:56 AM
the worth while reading it pretty spoilery.

backwards_pi & FilmPolice are the ones who seem to have connections. They're encouraged to post about new stuff that happened.
From the Thread: Re: Filming in San Francisco

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The friend I mentioned who's booked for Thursday and Friday had a wardrobe fitting yesterday; they called her last night and asked her to come back out to Vallejo today so they could "alter" the dress they picked out for her yesterday. I've never heard of two wardrobe fittings!
This lady lives in the Dublin/Pleasanton area, and she's going to end up making four round-trips to Vallejo altogether -- they should definitely pay her for mileage!

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My friend who was booked on this was told her role is a maid at a nice house where a party is going on. Laura Dern plays the hostess of the party.

On SFCasting, where roles for this movie are posted (they're calling the film "Untitled Western"),spoiler they've had postings for extras willing to do nude scenes. They say this nudity is very tasteful, and the pay is much higher than usual -- $600 for 8 hours. Apparently it's some sort of fantasy sequence where one of the characters is imagining that some people at that party (including a woman playing the piano) are nude.

When my friend was booked on this scene as the maid, they asked her if she was okay with working in a scene where some people are nude. And she said "Yes -- as long as I'm not one of them!"

Yesterday her call-time was around noon, and she emailed me at 4 a.m. when she had just gotten home. Long day!



Today is her second day and I assume she had an afternoon call-time; I'm really looking forward to seeing how the 2-day shoot went

He should post something new soon.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: cronopio 2 on June 19, 2011, 12:22:20 PM
you don't drink , polka?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 19, 2011, 12:44:21 PM
I drink.  I don't get drunk much anymore, but I drink some alcohol on an almost-daily basis.

The thing with Stefen's two posts was that it made it seem like he went from being uncertain about the official title to loving it over the course of a few hours, so I made the assumption that alcohol had been a factor.  But then it turned out that he was just a filthy liar and had liked the title all along.  And now I have to learn how to trust all over again.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: pete on June 19, 2011, 03:47:46 PM
oh shit it's being shot in my backyard?
man I had an epic night last night hanging with lovely people, but now I don't feel so cool anymore upon waking up and finding out that there are like hundreds in my 'hood doing shit on a PT set.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 19, 2011, 04:02:35 PM
The thing with Stefen's two posts was that it made it seem like he went from being uncertain about the official title to loving it over the course of a few hours, so I made the assumption that alcohol had been a factor.  But then it turned out that he was just a filthy liar and had liked the title all along.  And now I have to learn how to trust all over again.

(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2958/avon1.gif)"Horses? Naw, man, it's an ILLUSION!"

(http://xixax.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=2017;type=avatar)"Yeah, it's CONFUSIN'!"

(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2958/avon1.gif)"......................THANK YOU!"
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: md on June 20, 2011, 05:52:39 AM
From FACEBOOK.  Looks like our new dp friend is getting busy (on a boat)!!!

(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/264139_10150286961972275_727662274_9321954_1558810_n.jpg)

Panavision!
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/217562_10150229222037275_727662274_8746474_3054925_n.jpg)

35mm 4 perf
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/215593_10150229219727275_727662274_8746462_6107770_n.jpg)

65mm
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/216518_10150229219002275_727662274_8746459_1873787_n.jpg)

65mm (notice bg)
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/206927_10150229215417275_727662274_8746438_3257833_n.jpg)





Title: Re: The Master
Post by: tpfkabi on June 20, 2011, 05:38:51 PM
From FACEBOOK.

Is this from a profile open to the general public?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on June 20, 2011, 06:37:14 PM
Sweet!  Thanks for posting those photos md!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on June 20, 2011, 07:36:47 PM
Oh yeah, I noticed that a few of you guys added him as a friend.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 20, 2011, 07:40:16 PM
Refreshing pics. Keep posting up if he posts more on FB :yabbse-grin:

From FilmPolice on imdb.-
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.......I've also submitted for the British scenes that shoot later this week. I figure if I submit for everything I'm bound to get at least one day.

My friend who did the 2-day scene last week told me it was a good shoot, although about 14 hours each day so she was pretty wiped out when it was over. They'll be getting some good checks though. My friend was sitting in holding when they filmed the scene with the nude people so she didn't see that. She said the woman they chose to be the nude piano player was 71! All the extras were warned that if any jokes or snickering or anything was done to make the nude extras feel uncomfortable, they would be sent home and not asked to come back.

lol
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 20, 2011, 11:54:45 PM
Every time I try to remember the DP's name, I have to either search back through the thread or go to IMDb.  From now on, I'm just calling him Mario Mushaboom.  It's easier.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on June 23, 2011, 09:21:17 PM
(http://bow.fishingcountry.com/forums/images/smilies/smiley_campfire-1.gif)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on June 24, 2011, 04:33:29 AM
I don't get scientology, I'm looking forward to having this movie spell it out for me. Why is it so popular with celebrities? Everytime I hear about someone else who has joined, Idk if I lose or gain respect for them because I'm not sure what it's all about. It just seems like a very exclusive, expensive cult. I know I'm just laying down some of the basic generalities most people have gathered about this religion. I don't want to just believe the shit that was on that south park episode as being true. It sounds pretty bonkers, why do so many people buy into it!? PTA, save me. I had a copy of Dianetics but I got rid of it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: mogwai on June 24, 2011, 08:36:36 AM
I don't get scientology, I'm looking forward to having this movie spell it out for me. Why is it so popular with celebrities?

Because they're brainwashed.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 24, 2011, 11:13:13 PM
I don't get scientology, I'm looking forward to having this movie spell it out for me.

Read the wikipedia page because this film will not teach you anything about Scientology.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 25, 2011, 12:14:46 AM
http://www.xenu.net/
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on June 25, 2011, 02:13:14 AM
http://www.xenu.net/

F that
I don't get scientology, I'm looking forward to having this movie spell it out for me.

Read the wikipedia page because this film will not teach you anything about Scientology.

and how do you know?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 25, 2011, 02:20:48 AM
It's not going to be a documentary. It's like hoping There Will Be Blood was going to teach you how to drill oil.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on June 25, 2011, 02:23:39 AM
It's like hoping There Will Be Blood was going to teach you how to drill oil.

it did!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 25, 2011, 02:29:31 AM
You probably bought a bad ass stereo after watching Boogie Nights.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 25, 2011, 02:34:54 AM
But it was the highest quality fidelity.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: mogwai on June 25, 2011, 02:52:39 AM
http://www.xenu.net/

F that
I don't get scientology, I'm looking forward to having this movie spell it out for me.

Read the wikipedia page because this film will not teach you anything about Scientology.

and how do you know?

Too much to read, eh?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 25, 2011, 03:38:31 AM
http://www.xenu.net/

just skimming through this, it further proves The Church of Scientology makes as much sense as The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I'm glad P.T isn't taking shit from them and making this film he wants to do.

Christian what the hell is the name of the girl in your avatar. she's gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 25, 2011, 06:09:28 AM
and how do you know?

You're an idiot if you think this film is going to "spell out" scientology. A true bona fide fucking idiot.

Have you never heard of a film having parallels to real life events or characters without being a textbook biography or documentary about the topic? Did you see boogie nights as being an expose about the life of John C Holmes?

If you want to learn about scientology apply a very small amount of effort and do some basic research, you're just severely misguided and will only be disappointed if you think this movie is a play by play analysis of scientology. It just has a main character that shows some parallels.

Have you even seen a PTA film before?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: cronopio 2 on June 25, 2011, 10:17:47 AM
the new yorker had a really good article about paul haggis' ostracization from the church:


http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Find Your Magali on June 25, 2011, 01:01:32 PM
This book, coming out early next month, is going to put a bigger dent in scientology than PTA's film:

http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Scientology-Americas-Secretive-Religion/dp/0618883029/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1309024768&sr=1-1

I like S.R.'s comment about learning how to drill for oil.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 25, 2011, 01:30:48 PM
Actually with CMBB, as Pubrick has pointed out, the trouble was that people were half expecting or hoping that it would be a thinly veiled Bush reference.

CMBB actually did offer some real insights into the oil drilling business.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on June 25, 2011, 01:47:27 PM
CMBB actually did offer some real insights into the oil drilling business.

hell yeah it did! and just as I know barely anything about Scientology except that it's members are fucking loopy, I will obviously come out of this film having learned a lot more.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ordet on June 25, 2011, 02:56:52 PM
this film will show us how cults are born, how powerful they can become and the mind it takes to create massive brainwashing, it's a character study like all pta films. in the end the aim of every cult is the same just with different means of achieving their goal of money, power and control. any cult/religion is a business yet so many people believe that religion and faith are the same thing. faith is personal, you don't need to attend any congregation and give your money to have faith, religion and cults do ask for that. give us your money and we will control you. pta shows us the big picture through intimate character driven films, the story doesn't end with scientology it's so much more and it all starts within. the scenes between psh and jp will be mind-blowing. just think about it, pta is known for bringing out the best in actors plus just the fact that this will be psh first starring role with pta. i think it will be something no one has ever seen in terms of acting. psh performance will be monumental along the lines of ddl in cmbb. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on June 25, 2011, 03:14:43 PM
:multi::onfire::multi::onfire: YAHOOO!!!!   :onfire::multi::onfire::multi: :rofl:

Ordet just gave me a big boner! I now offically cannot wait fo dis shit!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 25, 2011, 03:20:41 PM
it's a character study like all pta films.

 :yabbse-thumbup:

Exactly. It will be about people. Anything you learn about gambling, fucking, drilling oil or Scientology from them is shit you should have already known before you saw them.

You got me mad stoked to see PSH and JP square off. That's going to be epic.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 25, 2011, 03:20:54 PM
CMBB actually did offer some real insights into the oil drilling business.

hell yeah it did! and just as I know barely anything about Scientology except that it's members are fucking loopy, I will obviously come out of this film having learned a lot more.

No, this is the analogy: You will learn a lot about a somewhat Scientology-like fictional religion.

Also, What Ordet said.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 25, 2011, 03:35:48 PM
the new yorker had a really good article about paul haggis' ostracization from the church:


http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright

Wow this article is well done. You can probably make a Scientology based movie about all of its info and Paul Haggis. The Brando and Travolta part was pretty funny. P.T was probably approached to join the church at some time and obviously declined but, found what there doing interesting , and the incident with Jeremy Blake didn't help neither.

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He staffed the ships with volunteers, many of them teen-agers, who called themselves the Sea Organization. Hubbard and his followers cruised the Mediterranean searching for loot he had stored in previous lifetimes.

 :shock: :shock: :ponder: :ponder: LOL
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: jerome on June 25, 2011, 05:27:58 PM
Christian what the hell is the name of the girl in your avatar. she's gorgeous.

Lykke Li
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 25, 2011, 06:00:26 PM
Christian's always had the prettiest women in his avatar.

I remember when I first came here he had this photo of Irene Jacob.

(http://www.soulnaked.com/images/mulheres/fr/irene_jacob.jpg)

:inlove: :inlove: :inlove: :inlove:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on June 25, 2011, 09:25:17 PM
u guys r making me want to read the script, is there a new draft around. I know I should wait , but I'm dying to see what this is all about.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on June 25, 2011, 10:06:56 PM
The script won't teach you anything about Scientology, either.

But yes, you should read it.  I did, and would read any leaked new draft, too.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on June 25, 2011, 10:30:12 PM
Idc about Scientology n e more. apparently this movie has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 26, 2011, 12:43:09 AM
Exactly.

You might not be the biggest dumb ass on this site after all.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on June 26, 2011, 12:27:43 PM
(http://homepage.eircom.net/~bray/em/campfire.gif)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on June 26, 2011, 02:39:44 PM
Picture of Adams on set.

http://celebrity-gossip.net/amy-adams/amy-adams-hits-set-new-pt-anderson-project-518310

I actually don't think it's her. Could be Vincent Froio.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on June 26, 2011, 02:53:42 PM
Yeah that can't be her. DAMN YOU FROIO!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on June 26, 2011, 03:33:36 PM
I looked at the Master cast page at cigsnvines, and that looks more like Fiona Dourif if anyone.  Do a Fiona Dourif Google image search for a better comparison.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: jerome on June 26, 2011, 03:41:33 PM
Wait, when did Juliette Lewis and Elisabeth Moss join the cast?? (listed as "rumored", but still)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 26, 2011, 04:39:15 PM
That's definitely Dourif.  I don't know how they thought it was Amy Adams.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 26, 2011, 04:49:17 PM
The credibility of celebrity-gossip.net is now seriously in peril.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on June 26, 2011, 04:51:04 PM
That's definitely Dourif.  I don't know how they thought it was Amy Adams.

It's celebrity-gossip.net. They identify every person on set as whoever the biggest moviestar is in the movie.

The Playlist does this all the time.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on June 26, 2011, 05:22:34 PM
Wait, when did Juliette Lewis and Elisabeth Moss join the cast?? (listed as "rumored", but still)

they're both scientologists so i'm guessing it's a gag? maybe though...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on June 26, 2011, 05:38:53 PM
That's definitely Dourif.  I don't know how they thought it was Amy Adams.

It's celebrity-gossip.net. They identify every person on set as whoever the biggest moviestar is in the movie.


thats fucked up. I got really excited about the makeup for a second, such dolts. Not that I would want to Amy Adams look that matronly, still looking forward to seeing PSH as a ging though.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 27, 2011, 02:18:56 PM
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2011/06/27/paul-thomas-anderson-shooting-new-movie-in-berkeley/

P.T actually worked on his bday weekend? he's the master.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ordet on June 30, 2011, 07:51:44 PM
not much but something

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wydIOlasK-0
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on June 30, 2011, 07:55:08 PM
seymour philip hoffman...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on June 30, 2011, 07:57:45 PM
Don't sell yourself short, that's a nice find!  Rare to get a taste of anything like that considering how hush-hush things are.  SPH, indeed.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 30, 2011, 08:08:48 PM
That frozen film stock :yabbse-grin:

How polite to keep relatively quiet in the residential neighborhood. Good for Paul.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: jerome on July 07, 2011, 01:23:20 AM
Wait, when did Juliette Lewis and Elisabeth Moss join the cast?? (listed as "rumored", but still)

they're both scientologists so i'm guessing it's a gag? maybe though...

and now Giovanni Ribisi is also listed as rumored on imdb. I smell trolls...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on July 07, 2011, 06:45:04 PM
seymour philip hoffman  :doh:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on July 07, 2011, 07:08:24 PM
seymour philip hoffman  :doh:

At least it wasn't "Philip Hall, the Baker"
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on July 08, 2011, 11:27:01 AM
seymour philip hoffman...

seymour philip hoffman 

more like "SAY more Philip Hoffman"
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on July 10, 2011, 08:56:47 AM
How many of you are going to go into this film "Spoiler-Free" as they say?

I know most of us already scoped the script or read the summary...I'm just pretty much trying to ignore any footage or photographic tidbit until the first trailer.  I highly doubt that's going to happen but I'm gonna TRY.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I Love a Magician on July 13, 2011, 06:07:35 PM
spoiler-free for me
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on July 15, 2011, 12:43:04 AM
I totally broke my 'Master' cherry and I'm never going back. I resent it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on July 15, 2011, 10:42:40 AM
(http://nattypalooza.com/beran/heinzpisses.gif)(http://nattypalooza.com/beran/campfire.gif)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on July 20, 2011, 10:10:32 AM
http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2011/07/touch_of_melvil.php

(http://www.transformer-ivan.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/tiger_cc.gif)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on July 20, 2011, 11:25:06 AM
I don't think that's necessarily a good thing.  A lesser artist does it, and people cry foul.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on July 20, 2011, 11:43:42 AM
that's from the draft that leaked before, it's maybe not even in the revised script...
still interesting, if any just to maybe see a very general idea as to what route he could be taking
and I don't think that's a bad route to take at all
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on July 20, 2011, 02:05:18 PM
A lesser artist does it, and people cry foul.

Are you serious? Lesser artists are obviously fucking idiots.

Oh no, Mr. Kubrick, please don't reference Nietzche, Jung or Homer, lesser artists have done it! The lesser artists have done it, whatever shall we do? Oh dear me I'm going to fucking shit myself because lesser artists have tried to do something that only a great artist can pull off.. such as make allusions to classic works of literature as a way of establishing core themes and suggesting a wider scope for the piece of art at hand.

Gosh, whatever possessed him to do a thing like that. He's clearly jumped the whale.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: squints on July 20, 2011, 03:01:57 PM
its clearly plagiarism. paul should be kicked out of university.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: socketlevel on July 21, 2011, 12:28:54 PM
This is the name of the game people, time to get over it.

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 21, 2011, 12:46:26 PM
There are varying degrees, but yeah, pretty much everything in every art form has major, nameable influences, even going very far back in history.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on July 21, 2011, 01:00:34 PM
so the fuck what, one of his characters reads Herman Melville, and?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Derek on July 21, 2011, 06:32:58 PM
Complete over-reaction to a small post.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on July 21, 2011, 06:58:41 PM
Complete over-reaction to a small post.

mmhmm (http://www.hark.com/clips/hllyldjmwg-mm-hmm)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on July 21, 2011, 07:01:23 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tYTIVZZm8gc/S4P1F79Q32I/AAAAAAAABhE/7jSdDBt2klE/s320/tiger.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on July 21, 2011, 07:45:34 PM
^lol
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on July 27, 2011, 10:10:02 PM
http://www.honolulupulse.com/movies-tv/outtakes-online-oscar-winning-director-needs-extras

I wish i was a thin white male age 18-30 :yabbse-undecided:

A WWII scene is something I've always wondered in P.T will do and now this is going to happen. Awesome.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on July 27, 2011, 10:47:08 PM
Oscar winning director?

Sure, why not.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on July 28, 2011, 09:33:57 PM
A PTA WWII scene does sound pretty awesome and new. Even if it's just a bunch of crew cutted white dudes sitting on a beach smoking cigarettes.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on July 29, 2011, 12:59:05 AM
if he's not shooting in Cali, he's in Hawaii -.-.

I have a feeling Inherent Vice will be the same....
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on August 11, 2011, 06:25:49 PM
Talked to someone who did background work on this and gave me some insider knowledge of the scene he worked on...


SPOILERS


Right now, they are using Untitled Western as their title.

Scene took place in the 40's at a bar with Joaquin and another actor watching a burlesque show.

PT did A LOT (he stressed, A LOT) of takes for this 3 page dialogue scene where the characters talked about some strange things that happened regarding a book. It was a 14 hour day.

He said it felt like PT wasn't getting what he wanted and just kept trying different things. Using live music on set to play during the scene (sax player) and without, then just at the beginning of the scene. Not too many camera set-ups.

Joaquin was really thin and only wanted to be called by his character name, Johnathan.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on August 11, 2011, 06:47:07 PM
TELL US MOAR!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on August 12, 2011, 12:45:05 PM
I remember that scene from the old script...Johnathan...interesting. Thanks Mac!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on August 20, 2011, 02:24:23 PM
I had a dream that I finally saw 'The Master' with Ratner instead of Jaoquin Phoenix in the part of Johnathan. He had done nothing to change his appearance, just played it fat and bearded and really over the top. I felt so betrayed.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: children with angels on August 20, 2011, 03:09:13 PM
I had a dream that I finally saw 'The Master' with Ratner instead of Jaoquin Phoenix in the part of Johnathan. He had done nothing to change his appearance, just played it fat and bearded and really over the top. I felt so betrayed.

Perhaps it's over-exposure to Facebook, but I often feel the need for a 'like' button on Xixax. Because, while I have nothing to add to this, I would like to register my opinion that it's fucking funny. That is: without writing LMFAO!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on August 20, 2011, 03:12:07 PM
Yeah, xixax needs a sort of reputation system. Many posters would step their game up.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on August 20, 2011, 04:34:27 PM
Yeah, right. Then I should also have a reason to post more than once a week.

If only life could have some sort of reputation system, too..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on August 20, 2011, 04:45:21 PM
I had a dream that I finally saw 'The Master' with Ratner instead of Jaoquin Phoenix in the part of Johnathan. He had done nothing to change his appearance, just played it fat and bearded and really over the top. I felt so betrayed.

Before Inglourious Basterds came out I had a dream where I saw it on the premiere and everyone hated it and started to booing. Then, Eli Roth went mad and started to scream and throw chairs on people and stuff.

Then somebody asked him to shut the fuck up and he said something like "Don't you know who I am? I'm the guy who made Hostel! I'm going to Hostel you up if YOU don't shut the fuck up!"

The whole film was from Brad Pitts point of view and had a scene where he got raped by Hitler.

I thought it was pretty bad, but not as bad as everyone else thought.

Anyway, this is pretty off topic and I'm sorry for sharing this.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on August 20, 2011, 04:58:18 PM
I had a dream that I finally saw 'The Master' with Ratner instead of Jaoquin Phoenix in the part of Johnathan. He had done nothing to change his appearance, just played it fat and bearded and really over the top. I felt so betrayed.

Before Inglourious Basterds came out I had a dream where I saw it on the premiere and everyone hated it and started to booing. Then, Eli Roth went mad and started to scream and throw chairs on people and stuff.

Then somebody asked him to shut the fuck up and he said something like "Don't you know who I am? I'm the guy who made Hostel! I'm going to Hostel you up if YOU don't shut the fuck up!"

The whole film was from Brad Pitts point of view and had a scene where he got raped by Hitler.

I thought it was pretty bad, but not as bad as everyone else thought.

Anyway, this is pretty off topic and I'm sorry for sharing this.

That wasn't a dream.  That actually happened.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on August 20, 2011, 05:07:27 PM

I had a dream that I finally saw 'The Master' with Ratner instead of Jaoquin Phoenix in the part of Johnathan. He had done nothing to change his appearance, just played it fat and bearded and really over the top. I felt so betrayed.

Before Inglourious Basterds came out I had a dream where I saw it on the premiere and everyone hated it and started to booing. Then, Eli Roth went mad and started to scream and throw chairs on people and stuff.

Then somebody asked him to shut the fuck up and he said something like "Don't you know who I am? I'm the guy who made Hostel! I'm going to Hostel you up if YOU don't shut the fuck up!"

The whole film was from Brad Pitts point of view and had a scene where he got raped by Hitler.

I thought it was pretty bad, but not as bad as everyone else thought.

Anyway, this is pretty off topic and I'm sorry for sharing this.

That wasn't a dream.  That actually happened.

Well, I've been waiting for the directors cut since I realized that the rape scene with Hitler wasn't included. :yabbse-sad:

It was pretty crazy. Like a irl version of The Jerry Springer Show or something.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on August 21, 2011, 02:26:01 AM
"Don't you know who I am? I'm the guy who made Hostel! I'm going to Hostel you up if YOU don't shut the fuck up!"

(http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/events/CSH-041602.jpg)

yes!!! why can't I have dreams like this?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on August 21, 2011, 03:22:59 AM
Sooooo there's no actual Massuh news then? just more Ratner and Eli Roth overkill? or is this just some dumb dream?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on August 21, 2011, 10:35:37 AM
I have a dream update: in my other dream I was checking this thread and the shooting script was available and I thought "ehh, I'll read it later" then I woke up and was looking for it but I couldn't find it! That was really frustrating, like one of those dreams when you get a bunch a money and when you snap out of it, it's gone.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: md on August 31, 2011, 06:31:57 AM
fwiw, this was posted on the DP's facebook on monday.  Completely speculative, but to me, it looks to be a coloring session for some serious ish...

maybe a glimpse at a scene from the master?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/305766_10150361024267275_727662274_10046306_4195935_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on August 31, 2011, 08:01:27 AM
Fffffuuuuuuuuuuuu!

MD you are the maddest of the madcunts.

Let's run with this one fellas! Starting with guesses on what we are looking at here exactly. MD got the ball rolling with serious ish.. I'm going to extend that by pointing out the washed out window is reminiscent of the "light of the cross" that lit the church where plainview was being baptised. Itself a reference to Barry Lyndon.

..Go!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on August 31, 2011, 09:59:36 AM
It seems there are chairs on that set, so I bet someone in this movie is going to sit down at some point.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on August 31, 2011, 10:14:27 AM
There's no music in the picture, so the movie's going to be scoreless?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on August 31, 2011, 10:21:20 AM
SPOILERS! MASSIVE, CRUEL, CARELESS SPOILERS FROM THE SCRIPT. DO NOT READ.

ALSO, PLEASE STOP DOING THIS.

WE SHOULDN'T EVEN NEED TO MONITOR SPOILERS LIKE THIS AND EDIT PEOPLE'S POSTS.

IT'S OBVIOUS.

BASIC COMMON COURTESY.

SERIOUSLY.


........
......
You've been warned.
.....
.......
Stop reading!
...................
Having read the script, I'm pretty confident that this is the scene in which God (represented by the beam of light) infuses the chairs with consciousness and the ability to move, in order to punish The Master for being a false prophet.

The chairs then wait for The Master to sit down on them, but The Master overhears their plan and fools them into thinking that he's about to sit down. Just as he bends down to sit, he turns around and stabs the first chair. The second and third chairs attack, but that's when Freddie comes from out of the shadows and pulls the chairs off of The Master, screaming, "I'M GONNA BREAK YOUR LEGS!" with a violent exuberance that we've never seen from him before. Blood pours from the chairs, organs and bone exposed. The Master turns to Freddie: "Do you see? Do you SEE??"

In the scene after that, The Master bans his followers from sitting. Everyone seems confused. The Master and Freddie share a knowing look. They have now bonded.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 31, 2011, 10:49:51 AM
FYI, this is Spoiler Awareness Week.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on August 31, 2011, 10:57:38 AM
Oh JB, I'm pretty sure you've been had.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on August 31, 2011, 11:01:52 AM
That made me so happy. You probably didn't read all of it in order to avoid what you thought was a spoiler, but I'm still going to imagine that you read every word that thought, "No! He ruined the movie!"
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on August 31, 2011, 11:02:42 AM
Hahaha I knew something good would come of this.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on August 31, 2011, 11:10:03 AM
 :bravo: Matt

I like the smoky atmosphere there. Makes it seem conspiratorial. Judging by the low angle (and the fact it's been leaked) I wouldn't be surprised if this is a very early scene, possibly where Jonathan and The Master meet for the first time. The low angle giving us a perspective of The Master as a larger-than-life, towering figure. Nice contract between the intimate dining table set for two and the wide empty room around them. That's Kubrickian right there.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 31, 2011, 11:38:45 AM
SPOILERS

You probably didn't read all of it in order to avoid what you thought was a spoiler

That is correct. I stopped at "beam of light." Just my luck, it becomes obvious with the next line. :doh:

On one level, I'm disappointed, because I thought PTA might be moving in a new bold direction with God being represented by a beam of light, because that sounds like something he just might do, and possibly quite epic if done right.

But I'm actually incredibly relieved that I wasn't spoiled, because that would have been a massive spoiler. I was so upset about this, I was actually coming back to this thread to say I'm done reading it.

Thank you.

This day will live in infamy.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: md on August 31, 2011, 08:54:40 PM
there will be hate (shot in the kubrickian form) lmao

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/298385_272296846116789_100000094260765_1144073_7278709_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on September 09, 2011, 08:08:44 PM
I'm actually kind of glad there's not too much news floating around about this film.
 I spoiled parts of the last two movies for myself (and a bit of Magnolia, i.e. I read something about frogs), and I want to go into this one blind.  Besides the plotline, actors and Fiona Dourif running around, I think I'm pretty happy about remaining spoiler-free here.

So basically, the news will be "IT'S A BOY!" for me until next year
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on September 10, 2011, 02:23:04 PM
"At last night's Ides of March party Phillip Seymour Hoffman -- a.k.a. "Philly" -- insisted that Paul Thomas Anderson's The Master, which he just finished filming, is "not a Scientology film." But I've read an early draft and it seems to be about a Scientology-like cult, i said to him. And I've read about the parallels. "I don't know what you've heard and what script you've read," Hoffman replied. "Trust me, it's not about Scientology."

Maybe not specifically or literally, but there are just too many proofs and indications that The Master (or whatever it's eventually going to be called) is at least about a cult with a charismatic L. Ron Hubbard-type leader that could be seen as a metaphor for Scientology. At least that. Read this February 2010 Playlist analysis and tell me it's not that. And that Hoffman's denial isn't perhaps a little too definitive."

from http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2011/09/dont_tell_me_3.php
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on September 11, 2011, 03:16:14 AM
he's just saying what i've been saying for 100 pages..

boogie nights is NOT a biopic of John C Holmes or a "metaphor" for john c holmes. magnolia is NOT about the fucking bible. chere mill is NOT about whatever that oil tycoon he based it on or whatever else he's stolen from real life.

everyone is perfectly fine with accepting that boogie nights is not a biopic about the life of john c holmes despite the MANY similarities and allusions, because who the fuck cares about john c holmes.. but because scientology is such a hot topic it's really incredibly difficult for people to imagine that the film is about anything OTHER than that most basic of references, because what in the world could be more important or scandalous than scientology?

oh a serious film that will stand the test of time and deals with greater themes than just a mere piece of shit fad religion? we can't print that in the gossip pages! people want BLOOD! fuck outta here anyone who keeps thinking this will bring down scientology.. i'll be over here, watching the actual film.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on September 11, 2011, 04:54:38 AM

boogie nights is NOT a biopic of John C Holmes or a "metaphor" for john c holmes. magnolia is NOT about the fucking bible. chere mill is NOT about whatever that oil tycoon he based it on or whatever else he's stolen from real life.


and PDL isn't about that guy who found the healthy choice airline miles loophole. Or, not that particular guy. Fuck that guy.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: tpfkabi on September 11, 2011, 05:24:11 PM
Sounds like the Citizen Kane battle.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on September 14, 2011, 09:41:50 AM
They can't call it a Scientology film because they'd get fucking sued. Not to say that they'd want to, because that label would definitely affect people's perception of the film, but I guarantee PTA had to change certain details pointing to Scientology in the script to even get this financed. Ok, ok, it's not 'about' Scientology, but the foundation is there and it's everyone else's job to connect the dots.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on September 14, 2011, 10:10:02 AM
Yes, and CMBB is about George Bush.

It's not about Scientology
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on September 14, 2011, 02:49:37 PM
I said that it's not, but the connections are obvious. When it was going around as "the untitled Scientology project" it made me cringe, because he doesn't do anything that can be so easily pigeonholed and the subject doesn't interest me. If you can read the script that's out and think that it's not alluding to Scientology at all, that there are no parralels to that religion, then you're stupid.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 14, 2011, 03:07:44 PM
That's true, and we should keep that in mind. It's not as if this has absolutely nothing to do with Scientology. Let's not exaggerate; we can handle complex concepts like this. There will probably be plenty of trivial parallels, and perhaps even some somewhat nontrivial parallels. There might be even strong parallels with religion in general.

I haven't read the script, and I guess none of us has read the updated script, but I think the CMBB-Bush connection (nonexistent) is a far cry from the potential Master-Scientology connection. A better analogy, as we've covered, might be the the relationship CMBB has with oil drilling.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on September 14, 2011, 04:00:52 PM
I don't think that this should necessarily be considered a spoiler, but just in case I find myself on the wrong end of a drunken Pubrick later, consider this ample warning...

Edited before posting (but couldn't bring myself to remove the above): I actually probably deviated into more SPOILER territory than originally intended. You have officially been warned.



I've read the early version of the script. There may be parallels to Scientology, but at no point did it seem to be about Scientology. To me personally, it seemed like an extension of the fundamental Christians depicted in Chere Mill. Really, though, it's more a generic cult. This film will speak more about religion in general, rather than Scientology specifically. I don't want to call it satire, but in a way that's what I took it to be. He's holding up a mirror to all organized religions, but making it more accessible and palatable to the masses by having it focus on a small group, a cult. That's my take on it anyway. But no, I haven't read the shooting version of the script.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 14, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
I wish I could read that, but I'm not going to read spoilers. I'm going to assume you said that I'm 100% right.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: O. on September 14, 2011, 05:47:49 PM
In terms of describing the film, wouldn't it be safest and most broadly accurate to say it's about cultism and say that's that?

Scientology is an extremely hot topic right now, and the film's association with Scientology has already been established, you can't run away from that fact. Now, whether the film is about Scientology or not doesn't really matter, because (unless the updated script is a completely different film) the similarities and parallels are enough -- enough to give the entertainment media/popular media something to light aflame, something controversial that's contemporary that more than anything, leads.

In the case of The Master? It sells. So, I don't think that's a bad thing. It will have people talking about the film, that may have otherwise not have even bothered to see it. I'm sure that if it ends up labeled as "that movie about Scientology," it won't last. It will stand up as a film about something more than just a fad cult.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 14, 2011, 06:03:12 PM
Again all I've read is the synopsis, but I do know that L. Ron Hubbard's life and the founding of his religion was the starting point. I think that's a more significant connection to Scientology than only the cult connection.

When people see the film, they will realize that it's not "about" Scientology, and I don't think they will feel deceived. Should be fine.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 14, 2011, 07:47:15 PM
I think we should probably end this conversation until we see the movie.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on September 14, 2011, 08:06:27 PM
I think we should probably end this conversation until we see the movie.

 :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on September 14, 2011, 09:29:45 PM
 :yabbse-thumbup: :!:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on September 15, 2011, 12:16:00 PM
"At last night's Ides of March party Phillip Seymour Hoffman -- a.k.a. "Philly" -- insisted that Paul Thomas Anderson's The Master, which he just finished filming, is "not a Scientology film." But I've read an early draft and...

to me, that was the real news, a very good one.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on September 15, 2011, 05:46:09 PM
I hope it's more about World War II.

When I read THIS (http://www.honolulupulse.com/movies-tv/outtakes-online-oscar-winning-director-needs-extras)

Quote
Director Paul Thomas Anderson, whose films have earned him five Oscar nominations, is looking for several hundred background extras for a scene he plans to shoot next month on Oahu’s North Shore.

It will be part of a movie he’s currently directing in Los Angeles that stars Joaquin Phoenix and Philip Seymour Hoffman.

Veteran local casting agent Margaret Doversola and Hawaii Actors Network founder Teddy Wells have set up an open casting call for 10 a.m.-6 p.m. Wednesday at the Aloha Lounge at the Aloha Tower Marketplace. Bring a photograph of yourself but be prepared to have additional photographs taken that day. And if they like you, be ready to cut your hair.

The filmmakers have said very little about the project beyond the scene they tentatively plan to shoot Aug. 12, Doversola said. They want 100 to 150 thin, white men between 18 and 30 who can portray typical World War II soldiers from the American midwest. They’ll be resting on a beach, and possibly swimming, after a battle on an unnamed South Pacific island.

I was more pumped about PTA doing war scenes than anything else.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on September 18, 2011, 06:40:09 AM
I took a peek at The Master's IMdB page and the page was presented as "The Master (2013)". What was this? It's a mistake, right?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on September 26, 2011, 02:03:56 AM
haven't posted here in a while.. thought is was related.

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/05/wikipedia-bans-church-of-scientology/

lol
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on September 26, 2011, 02:16:35 AM
haven't posted here in a while.. thought is was related.

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/05/wikipedia-bans-church-of-scientology/

lol

R U HI?

that news is two years old and is probably not true anymore. even if it is, it's not interesting or relevant. it's just something you found on the internet. can you see how stupid that is?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on September 27, 2011, 02:04:14 PM
Yes.

I'm not posting at 4am anymore.... :yabbse-undecided:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Figure 8 on September 27, 2011, 10:24:45 PM
I have a friend who worked as a PA on the Master set, and he just told me to watch Elmer Gantry to get an idea of what the Master is going to be like.  Lots of similar shots/scenes.  I haven't gotten the chance to watch it yet, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on September 27, 2011, 10:44:49 PM
What else did he say? And can he come post here?

I hope it's better than Wise Blood.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on September 27, 2011, 10:47:12 PM
:bravo: for bringing substance back to the thread, Fig 8. was hoping Elmer Gantry was streamable as i am a bit tipped and happened to be looking for a good watch. queued it up.

please get all the scoops you can from your PA pal.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: squints on September 27, 2011, 11:00:27 PM
http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi862455065/ (http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi862455065/)

The Trailer for Elmer Gantry is pretty exciting if that's any idea of what The Master will be like.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Figure 8 on September 27, 2011, 11:51:40 PM
Unfortunately I don't have any more substantial info to give.  I tend to try to stay away from any kind of spoilers and details before seeing movies I'm looking forward to, and so I never asked too many questions.  I can try to milk more out of him about what kind of stuff he saw next time we speak.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on September 28, 2011, 12:03:17 AM
If you don't want to spoil anything for yourself, give me his email and I'll interview him. I don't give a fuck.

I'll even come up with a list of questions. A lot of them.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: tpfkabi on September 30, 2011, 11:55:26 PM
I have a friend who worked as a PA on the Master set, and he just told me to watch Elmer Gantry to get an idea of what the Master is going to be like.  Lots of similar shots/scenes.  I haven't gotten the chance to watch it yet, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

I caught this on TCM within the last year or so, but unfortunately I would need to see it again to remember.
My first thought is there is some intensity like what you see in A Face In The Crowd. I was thinking it was even directed by Kazan until I saw the end of the trailer.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: BB on October 13, 2011, 11:11:23 AM
fwiw, this was posted on the DP's facebook on monday.  Completely speculative, but to me, it looks to be a coloring session for some serious ish...

maybe a glimpse at a scene from the master?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/305766_10150361024267275_727662274_10046306_4195935_n.jpg)


Hey everybody, long-time lurker, first-time poster.

Sorry to be a bummer but I believe this picture was probably taken from the new Coppola movie Twixt. I recently saw a screening of Twixt and there's a scene set in a similarly cavernous room with a similarly hot window. Having seen this picture only days before the screening, the room stood out to me when it appeared in the film. I was grossly disappointed.

Malaimare was DP on both projects and Twixt would have been finishing post-production around the time he posted this picture. Perhaps it's meant to show off the digital color timing rig (or whatever that is) in the foreground.

Granted, both films could have scenes set in rooms with chairs and windows, so all hope is not lost.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on October 13, 2011, 11:43:39 AM
fwiw, this was posted on the DP's facebook on monday.  Completely speculative, but to me, it looks to be a coloring session for some serious ish...

maybe a glimpse at a scene from the master?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/305766_10150361024267275_727662274_10046306_4195935_n.jpg)


Hey everybody, long-time lurker, first-time poster.

Sorry to be a bummer but I believe this picture was probably taken from the new Coppola movie Twixt. I recently saw a screening of Twixt and there's a scene set in a similarly cavernous room with a similarly hot window. Having seen this picture only days before the screening, the room stood out to me when it appeared in the film. I was grossly disappointed.

Malaimare was DP on both projects and Twixt would have been finishing post-production around the time he posted this picture. Perhaps it's meant to show off the digital color timing rig (or whatever that is) in the foreground.

Granted, both films could have scenes set in rooms with chairs and windows, so all hope is not lost.



Welcome, BB!

Thanks for the info. That makes much more sense.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on October 13, 2011, 11:46:10 AM
Greetings!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: O. on October 13, 2011, 12:18:54 PM
there might still be a room... with a window... though.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: pete on October 13, 2011, 09:20:32 PM
ha - I was in that room that just color graded twixt! It was called SpyPost, and a really frivolous food video series I was working on did our color correction there too, in the same suite. It was pretty suite; a 20 ft screen that was capable of 3D, which was what Twixt was done in. The coloring system is called, I think - Pablo - but it might've been just one of the many systems used in that little suite, which was one of the happiest days in my short filmmaking career. Nothing says validation like watching things get projected on a 20ft screen and slaved over by polite and witty professionals.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on October 13, 2011, 11:53:56 PM
It was pretty suite

lol.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on October 14, 2011, 03:10:56 AM
that's it everyone needs to change their username to a couple of letters because it turns you into a madcunt!

eg. md, O, P, S.R. and now BB!

welcome to xixax BB, introduce yourself why not (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=2.855), and stop lurking. :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on November 01, 2011, 02:21:34 PM
Laura Dern Talks 'The Master,' Working With PTA
from cigsandredvines.

As you know, things have been very quiet on "The Master" front for quite some time now. Principal photography is finished and the cast have all moved on to other projects. But lucky for us, those projects will inevitably include interviews in which some intrepid journalist will ask the actor in question about the mysterious 'Master.' Actress Laura Dern, who plays a still unknown role in the film, is currently promoting her new HBO series "Enlightened" when she was asked by The Press Assocation (whatever that is) about her experience on the project.

"It's an amazing experience. Joaquin's such an incredible actor and Philip Seymour Hoffman was in the film, they're doing such incredible work. I think [Paul's] so brilliant and one of our most important visionaries ever in film."
And there you have it, the vault once again becomes sealed. As always, more information when it arrives.


Update 11/1: Dern spoke with Slate Magazine who got a little bit more out of her regarding the project.


Slate: You’re in The Master, Paul Thomas Anderson’s new movie about a religious guru in the ‘50s [according to rumors, the character is based on Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard]. Is your character an acolyte of this religion?

Laura Dern: It’s someone who is very involved, for sure. You know what I love about Paul, I love a zillion things about Paul like so many of us do, but Paul is old school in the best sense of the word. I was raised in the ‘70s and I’ve worked with people I love and I’ve been on sets with my parents, with people who run a set and require of actors a sense of liberty and freedom and exploration and failure into brave achievement. Other than Jonathan Demme, Paul Thomas Anderson, bless and rest his soul, Robert Altman, who was such a pioneer for Paul and myself, there are very few people making movies like that, so just working on a set with him is so extraordinary. In terms of the subject of the film, and all of the films he makes, he dances so comfortably in the gray. When he takes on the subject matter, any subject matter, he is there to examine what it offers; not just take anything down. It’s funny when people think filmmakers are irreverent. It’s like, “Ooh, what’s he doing. I heard the movie’s about dot dot dot.” They go, “I bet he’s really going to attack it.” In fact, he tries to uncover what he loves. What the worth is in something.


http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/10/laura-dern-talks-master-working-with.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on November 07, 2011, 12:16:04 AM
TEASER TRAILER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on November 07, 2011, 12:19:23 AM
too soon...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on November 07, 2011, 12:21:05 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg7gg9VWmG1qf7r5lo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on November 07, 2011, 12:38:21 AM
that was so not cool, but anyone with a little common sense should know not to expect it until at least Christmas.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on November 07, 2011, 01:46:22 AM
makes me wonder tho, think we'll get another early youtube trailer?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on November 07, 2011, 03:44:01 AM
TEASER TRAILER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y)

Fuck you.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on November 07, 2011, 03:44:33 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg7gg9VWmG1qf7r5lo1_500.gif)

Haha.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on November 07, 2011, 03:22:03 PM
I was immediately sure that wasn't an actual trailer, but I'm very disappointed that the opportunity was wasted on a half-decade-old joke. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: squints on November 07, 2011, 03:50:46 PM

BREAKING!
:MASTER TEASER TRAILER LEAKS!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9KyQUlfU5U)

better?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on November 07, 2011, 04:52:06 PM
I was immediately sure that wasn't an actual trailer, but I'm very disappointed that the opportunity was wasted on a half-decade-old joke.  

Agreed.  C'mon, theyarelegion, be somewhat original.  Sheesh!  Oh, by the way, here's a super-exclusive on-set production still from the film.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on November 07, 2011, 06:59:36 PM
I was immediately sure that wasn't an actual trailer, but I'm very disappointed that the opportunity was wasted on a half-decade-old joke. 
Agreed.  C'mon, theyarelegion, be somewhat original.  Sheesh!  Oh, by the way, here's a super-exclusive on-set production still (http://imgur.com/1zuzY) from the film.

It's goatse. Nobody click on it at work like I did.  :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on November 07, 2011, 09:43:18 PM
theyarelegion's gag was fine.

but between RK's been-there-done-that grumpy gramps, ono ruining everything, and S.R. lolling.. this thread really brings out everyone's true nature doesn't it.  

what we need now is good old patient Pozer to clear the ground and set up camp once more..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on November 07, 2011, 10:43:11 PM
(http://img.whynotgif.com/camping/camping-7.gif)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on November 07, 2011, 11:30:13 PM
i'll make it up with some footage of pta moderating (http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2011/11/hugo_tweets.php) that "Hugo" panel/q&a (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lXxp_bYJbzc)... (listen to the whole q&a here (http://s3.amazonaws.com/images.hitfix.com/podcasts/260/hugoqa.mp3))
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on November 08, 2011, 01:09:26 AM
that was really cool, but it should go in the Hugo thread.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: O. on November 08, 2011, 01:26:42 AM
fuck that, i got damper than a moist towelette as soon as i saw scorsese and pta chillaxing
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on November 08, 2011, 02:54:42 AM
You're right reelist.. but given the recent events, I'm gonna allow it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on November 08, 2011, 09:42:30 PM
Cigs & Red Vines posted a new promo poster for The Master, which is titled Untitled for now. Hope it stays The Master. Love that title. Also has a new synopsis.

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/11/pta-moderates-hugo-q-updated-master.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on November 08, 2011, 09:46:52 PM
that "Hugo" panel/q&a (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lXxp_bYJbzc)

check out how bored that grimfaced guy in the b.g. is. checkin his phone to see how much longer this insanely tiresome thing will last. when lil Marty does his legs dont reach the ground funny, that henchmanlooking mafugga is the only person in the joint not lolling, he actually shrugs out a breath when it happens. all his homies are at the club and he's gotta suffer through these moviemaking a-hole's gabble. at least his boss noticed and told him to move the fuck out the shot. most undeserving gopherboy ever to land in such a spot ever. :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on November 08, 2011, 10:55:06 PM
Walsh: Finds his 'Way' into a new career (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118045463?refCatId=13)

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Walsh even inadvertently nabbed a plum acting role when he attended a wedding in which helmer Paul Thomas Anderson officiated as minister. Anderson liked Walsh's retro looks and cast him in his upcoming period drama "The Master."
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on November 08, 2011, 11:56:03 PM
Walsh: Finds his 'Way' into a new career (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118045463?refCatId=13)

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Walsh even inadvertently nabbed a plum acting role when he attended a wedding in which helmer Paul Thomas Anderson officiated as minister. Anderson liked Walsh's retro looks and cast him in his upcoming period drama "The Master."


WHAT THE FUCK?

what wedding? quick research team get on this.

of course this must've been part of the research for THE MASTER.. or he has become Jodorowsky. PTA is saving souls even when not making films.

no wonder he's moderating interviews, officiating ceremonies, MC'ing bar mitzvahs.. PTA is the ultimate MASTER of ceremonies.. is this all part of the lead up to the film? should we be paying attention to how he is living his life as an expression of his artistic direction? just like when he started wearing that brown shirt every day during the CMBB days.. cos the movie is, like, totally brown?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on November 09, 2011, 02:40:26 AM
He can master ceremonies all he wants but if he ever starts DJ'ing like David Lynch, I'll call the cops.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on November 20, 2011, 02:24:44 PM
Rami Malek Talks 'Twilight,' Teases Paul Thomas Anderson Collaboration (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/11/17/rami-malek-twilight-paul-thomas-anderson/)

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Malek recently landed a role in the next, yet-to-be-titled film by "There Will Be Blood" director, Paul Thomas Anderson. He plays the son-in-law of Phillip Seymour Hoffman's religious leader character. According to Malek, the experience of working with an auteur like Anderson has been "staggering."

"It was one of the best experiences of my life," he said. That was all he was willing to reveal, but promised the mysterious film would be "really good."
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on November 20, 2011, 03:12:19 PM
Quote
Malek recently landed a role in the next, yet-to-be-titled film by "There Will Be Blood" director, Paul Thomas Anderson. He plays the son-in-law of Phillip Seymour Hoffman's religious leader character. According to Malek, the experience of working with an auteur like Anderson has been "staggering."

"It was one of the best experiences of my life," he said. That was all he was willing to reveal, but promised the mysterious film would be "really good."

poor sap will probably end up being Orlando Jones'd out the picture.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on November 24, 2011, 07:40:07 AM
Quote
Malek recently landed a role in the next, yet-to-be-titled film by "There Will Be Blood" director, Paul Thomas Anderson. He plays the son-in-law of Phillip Seymour Hoffman's religious leader character. According to Malek, the experience of working with an auteur like Anderson has been "staggering."

"It was one of the best experiences of my life," he said. That was all he was willing to reveal, but promised the mysterious film would be "really good."

poor sap will probably end up being Orlando Jones'd out the picture.

Oi, he might, but that would be sad.  He was the best part of "The Pacific" IMO.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on December 05, 2011, 12:19:31 PM
Boom. (http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/12/jonny-greenwood-returning-to-score.html)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: chere mill on December 05, 2011, 12:27:12 PM
awesome.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on December 05, 2011, 12:28:42 PM
fantastic news, but...

Jonny Greenwood Returning To Score 'The Master'

We had a feeling this would be the case but for some reason that doesn't make it any less thrilling to see it confirmed: Radiohead guitarist Jonny Greenwood is returning to score 'The Master.' His work on "There Will Be Blood" was brilliant and undoubtedly one of the highlights of the film so it's an absolute joy to hear that he'll be back for another round. This news comes via a tweet on 12/2 by British record label Babel founder Oliver Weindling that said simply, "Zed-U recorded part of soundtrack for Jonny Greenwood of Radiohead last week. Film (by Paul Thomas Anderson) to appear in 2013." Zed-U is a British jazz trio that are apparently being employed by Mr. Greenwood on the soundtrack.

hope that's not truth.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on December 05, 2011, 01:08:40 PM
Quote
A commenter has pointed out that it's likely true the films U.K. release would be in 2013 if it's still on track for a late 2012 U.S. release. Crisis averted. (Thanks for the headsup, Charlie and Dick!)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: O. on December 05, 2011, 04:05:22 PM
My genitals are frothing, I'm so happy.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 05, 2011, 06:32:49 PM
Cool news. But I'm more happy Mod posted.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on December 05, 2011, 08:55:11 PM
Cool news. But I'm more happy Mod posted.

Me too!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on December 06, 2011, 05:36:00 AM
Poor jonny brion.

Did anyone listen to these zed-u freaks? I hope that's not what the soundtrack will be like, yeesh!

Great to hear from mod and nice to see cigs get a scoop.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: pete on December 06, 2011, 03:38:18 PM
ha - I was in that room that just color graded twixt! It was called SpyPost, and a really frivolous food video series I was working on did our color correction there too, in the same suite. It was pretty suite; a 20 ft screen that was capable of 3D, which was what Twixt was done in. The coloring system is called, I think - Pablo - but it might've been just one of the many systems used in that little suite, which was one of the happiest days in my short filmmaking career. Nothing says validation like watching things get projected on a 20ft screen and slaved over by polite and witty professionals.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7152/6467937973_6bd6c9fec4_z.jpg)

here right now, grading souffles.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on December 06, 2011, 05:08:01 PM
from cigsandredvines.

Emily Watson Has Seen The First 30 Minutes Of 'The Master,' Says Film Will Be "Incredible"

Moviefone sat down with "War Horse" star Emily Watson and while talking to her about her career, the conversation turned to her (magnificent) work in "Punch-Drunk Love." The actress mentioned that she'd love to work with Paul again and then let slip that she's actually seen the first 30 minutes of 'The Master.' Take it away, Emily...

One of my favorite movies is 'Punch-Drunk Love.'
[A big smile overcomes her face] Yeah. Me, too.

Were you at all hesitant to take that role? Not with P.T. Anderson, but maybe there was a concern about this being an Adam Sandler wacky comedy?
No, I knew. Paul came to me and said, "I'm doing this film with Adam and I'd like you to be in it." And the idea of the two of us in a room together tickled me pink. Just particularity where he was at and where I was at -- we were from different planets. And I thought, what a delicious idea.

You two should do another movie together.
I'd love to! I would love to do another movie.

I think people do miss the Sandler who pushed himself like that.
Yeah. And he had an incredible work ethic. We did hundreds of takes ... Well, not hundreds, but take after take after take. Adam just went at it, went at it, went at it. He completely gave over to being in a Paul Thomas Anderson movie. He gave himself over to it in a very self-effacing way. It's lovely.

And it's been so long since we've seen a Paul Thomas Anderson movie.
He has made one, I saw the first half an hour.

Of 'The Master'?
It's going to be incredible. I'm not going to say anything more on that. He'll kill me!

So the first half hour already exists?
Oh, yeah. Well ... they're editing.


Very, very exciting. Our fingers are still crossed there might be some sort of footage released before the end of the year but with likely a full 12 months to go before release we understand if Paul wants to keep a tight lid on things. But that doesn't mean we're not jealous.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on December 06, 2011, 11:05:50 PM
Poor jonny brion.

LoL. he must feel like his old highschool pals. (http://www.esquire.com/features/75-most-influential/paul-thomas-anderson-1008)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on December 07, 2011, 12:32:27 PM
While it's very cool that teasing tidbits are starting to come out already, it's actually quite depressing to think we've got to wait another whole 12 months before we get to see this.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: O. on December 07, 2011, 01:47:30 PM
At this rate, his next film will come out in 2017, which makes me more upset than having to wait one year for this one.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on December 07, 2011, 03:36:50 PM
At this rate, his next film will come out in 2017, which makes me more upset than having to wait one year for this one.

Try 2020.  :(

1996
1997 1 year passed
1999 2 "
2002 3 "
2007 5 "
2013 6 "

Pattern looks to be... 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11 (so far).  If Magnolia is his 2001, we can expect to see his swan song by 2029.  If he's still making movies in 2050, he really has taken up for Altman, that sexy devil.

If he does manage to get The Master out by the end of 2012, I predict the pattern to be: 1, 2, 3, 5, 5, 5, 7, 8, 9, meaning O is right.  A little bit more optimistic, but we know better than that.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 07, 2011, 04:13:54 PM
So, umm, at the risk of stating the obvious, shouldn't we consider the events of his personal life in the last few years? Presumably that is not a pattern. Hopefully not... or he'll have many wives and many kids before long.

Can't we just say that perhaps he took a break to start a family, and he'll be back on a 2-3 year schedule (or something like that)?

Aren't we also forgetting that his next feature is already being planned (and financed)?

I know you guys probably aren't serious, but really, cheer up!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on December 07, 2011, 04:51:44 PM
1, 2, 3, 5, 5, 3, 2, 1
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: idk on December 07, 2011, 08:00:42 PM
1, 2, 3, 5, 5, 3, 2, 1

... 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, etc.

It's hard to resist this temptation, but if He deems that more time is needed I shall trust in Him.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 07, 2011, 08:44:08 PM
Poor jonny brion.

LoL. he must feel like his old highschool pals. (http://www.esquire.com/features/75-most-influential/paul-thomas-anderson-1008)

lol. this was gold.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on December 08, 2011, 11:29:49 AM
Poor jonny brion.

LoL. he must feel like his old highschool pals. (http://www.esquire.com/features/75-most-influential/paul-thomas-anderson-1008)

lol. this was gold.

Thanks for posting. That was a great read.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on December 09, 2011, 12:47:00 PM
Backstage pics of 'The Master' (http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/)

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on December 09, 2011, 12:49:22 PM
EDIT: thought i finally had a scoop. ^dude hangs out on the interwebs far more than i.

backstage pics. (http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/12/backstage-photos-from-master-emerge.html)

AKA mostly suffering background artists. lols.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on December 09, 2011, 06:33:45 PM
My post was moved, and then it was posted on cigs and vines.  :yabbse-grin:

Those backstage pics are interesting though, there's been steady momentum for news on the film
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on December 14, 2011, 10:51:26 PM
Hey, these pics are in Black & White, so has anyone else pondered if the Master project might be in B&W too?

it's strange because when they announced the new cinematographer I remember his reel was mostly in black and white.


whether it is or not is irrelevant right now, as long as the look fits the story
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on December 15, 2011, 04:25:06 AM
I thought the same thing as soon as I saw the pics, but for some reason I then dismissed that idea. It would be cool if it was black & white, but I don't think that will happen, though. Or maybe that was one of the reasons why it was so hard to finance it...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Just Withnail on December 15, 2011, 05:16:59 AM
Yes, black and white. And scoreless. And Renner is back in.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on December 15, 2011, 07:26:48 AM
If it is black and white, the enourmous expense of having to physically decolourise the entire world would have been enough to turn off most investors.

It would be a shame too since the core cast seems to be almost exclusively redheads.. they would have to bleach their ginger hair for duration of filming just to appear "right" for the camera. The sky and sea visible in those boat shots would have to be painted white, and grey.. the entire SKY.. that mammoth undertaking would not come cheaply. The cost of the spaceships needed to reach the Earth's atmosphere would make up at least 90% of the budget

Honestly, it's enough to make you yearn for the days when everyting was naturally black and white and there was not a signle fabric or natural material in existence that would reflect light in the way we know it today, spelling the true name of satan, ROYGBIV.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Just Withnail on December 15, 2011, 06:11:44 PM
Yes, but what about the irrefutable evidence of the backstage pics? They've at least painted the backstage.

I ponder, will satan (http://open.spotify.com/track/2XQSgmtEY2titXhfY414dy) feature on the soundtrack? (diegetically of course!)

history lesson (http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/calvin-father-on-black-and-white-pictures.gif)

scoreless

froio
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on December 15, 2011, 06:42:32 PM
I read that it's not titled untitled anymore and is being referrred to as Knuckle Sandwich.

Lost the link tho.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on December 15, 2011, 11:24:27 PM
hahah I thought I remembered something like Pubrick's comment but couldn't remember where it was from.  Thanks Just Withnall.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on December 22, 2011, 12:12:40 PM
I've been lurking on here for awhile now, so I figured I might as well join in on the conversation/anticipation/adoration. Hi everyone  :yabbse-smiley:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: squints on December 22, 2011, 12:28:06 PM
Hello! (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=2.msg310809#new)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on February 09, 2012, 08:21:48 PM
  

    (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k297/forty8karats/SMILEYS/SCAMPERAnimated_Camping.gif)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on February 09, 2012, 11:55:37 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/fbv/marshmallowBag.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on February 28, 2012, 12:36:22 AM
Guys...this may be old news, but there is literally NO NEWS on this board, so I wanted to bring over a topic from IMDB boards.

After reading the early script of The Master, which film of PTA's does this one most resemble to you guys?

I read the first 70 pages (I'm hesitant on going any further, I think I got all I need) and honestly, it just feels like it's own beast. TWBB might be the most related.

All I know, is that Joaquin, PSH, and Amy Adams are so incredibly perfect for their roles, I seriously cannot wait any longer.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on February 29, 2012, 08:00:19 PM
Spoilers.

It resembles TWBB most definitely, though he seems to have entered a whole different era of his career.  Sydney and PDL as character studies, Boogie Nights and Magnolia as ensembles.  These are dark historical dissections.  He seems to be going even deeper down the rabbit hole than he did with TWBB, but with two characters this time around.  If PDL showed the good of men, TWBB showed the darkness, and The Master will illuminate the dichotomy, how one plays off the other.  Although I personally don't think TWBB is as dark as people make it -- it's more sad than anything.  Plainview wasn't as much of a monster as he appeared to be, but I digress.  The earlier draft of the Master was so ambiguous though, that to go on wouldn't be ruining much.  First, because it was rewritten, second because it could be directed any which way.  I'm gonna get you on a slow boat to China, either way.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTyZAM4ROQQ
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on February 29, 2012, 09:41:56 PM
Plainday

lol.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on March 02, 2012, 03:16:21 AM
**Spoilers**

Quote
If PDL showed the good of men, TWBB showed the darkness, and The Master will illuminate the dichotomy, how one plays off the other.

^I really enjoyed this, very spot on. It's very beautifully and meaningfully stated.

From the early draft of The Master, which pretty much means nothing like you said...China...(but it's impossible to not go on), I'm anticipating that PTA is going to make Joaquin(Jonathon/Freddie)'s role to be the stylistic conductor of the film. Especially in the regard to how deep in alcoholism he is to be this fucking obscure booze connoisseur(I love in film when there is that "DRINK" a la Clockwork, Lebowski...etc.). I'm anticipating for how that will set the tone for the film, akin to how Barry's mental state conducted PDL, and how DDL's transformation conducted TWBB. Combine this with The Master's manipulating, contradicting, almost hypnotizing way of life, this sets up a setting for PTA to just create something so utterly beautiful aesthetically, emotionally, spiritually, every way combined.

I've been imagining that scene when they go in the underground sewage tunnel ever since I read it...wow. There are so many possibilities...

PS: Not sure how many people checked out Zed-U, one of the collaborators Greenwood is working with on the score, but while reading the script I kept hearing my favorite tune from them in my head mixed with some disturbing undertones from Greenwood.

Check this song out, I couldn't find it on YouTube. It's so great(or "wonderful" as the man would say): "Roki" by Zed-u

I'm just overly excited guys. That's all.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on March 03, 2012, 10:46:33 AM
I listened to some Zed-U just the other day because I was thinking about the potential score.  I do look forward to the disorienting, hypnotizing collaboration that Greenwood and the group will bring to the movie.  I also sort of like what PTA does with soundtracks that have an actual rhythm to them, but if the man can make good movies that play around with our expectations as per usual, lack of said rhythm will never bother me.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on March 06, 2012, 09:20:02 AM
EXCLUSIVE: 'The Master' Eying October Release Date
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/03/exclusive-master-eying-october-release.html

*boom*
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 06, 2012, 10:20:07 AM
Fuck yes!!! That probably means I'll get to see it this year as well in Portugal. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on March 06, 2012, 10:28:29 AM
seriously, Megan Ellison FTmotherfuckingW

if its october, can we expect a trailer in the next 2-3 months? I hope...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on March 06, 2012, 07:13:23 PM
EXCLUSIVE: 'The Master' Eying October Release Date
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/03/exclusive-master-eying-october-release.html

*boom*

Haha you even kept the fucked up spelling.

I wonder if it's some secret rule that because the source used the word "eyes" in such a peculiar way, that the scoop MUST use the word eye in the main announcement. Otherwise cigs could have just said "master looking at Oct release".. much easier to spell.

Anyweye, eye'm just glad that this ear will be one worth living foreskin.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on March 06, 2012, 10:10:58 PM
Ha I don't know except that I was in the subway when she tweeted to us and it popped up as I came up the stairs and as soon as I saw it I literally started RUNNING to my office to write up the story before someone else could get to it. Since I knew that other sites followed both Cigs & Ellison and since it's a public reply they'd see the news too, I had to get it up first and wrote it as quickly as I could figuring I could go back in and edit once it was up. I beat The Film Stage by about 5 minutes who I figured was my main threat since he always reposts our stories first which is especially ironic since he works across the street from my office. Unfort my big typo was in the headline which had already been sent out into the world. Oh well. Anywho, exciting day.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 06, 2012, 10:23:27 PM
Congrats on the scoop. It's great to have some really concrete news.

I wonder if they're working on the score yet...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on March 07, 2012, 01:07:57 AM
This is exciting news. THIS is news. TRAILER COME QUICKLY.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on March 07, 2012, 08:15:59 AM
This has been my most anticipated film since I was still developing in my mothers fetus.

You must be really young then. I can picture your Mom giving you in utero 'Master' updates
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Lex on March 07, 2012, 03:02:26 PM
Fuck yes!!! That probably means I'll get to see it this year as well in Portugal. Fingers crossed!

truly hope so.

cheers
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Stefen on March 07, 2012, 07:05:47 PM
So is The Master going to be its title for sure?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 07, 2012, 10:16:50 PM
I don't think the public knows at this point...

It probably does need a new title, if (MINOR SPOILER) the duality premise is true and it really does focus on two characters. He could call it The Masters, but there's the golf thing...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 09, 2012, 04:05:28 AM
Fuck yes!!! That probably means I'll get to see it this year as well in Portugal. Fingers crossed!

truly hope so.

cheers

Welcome  :yabbse-smiley:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on March 10, 2012, 02:26:14 PM
will be Master baiting fish hooks here at camp come October!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on March 14, 2012, 01:51:04 AM
you know what's funny is PTA always wants October releases....at least, that's what he wanted for Boogie Nights, and that's what he got for PDL, so yeh...there's a bit of the romantic in him for Autumn maybe.



orrrrr it's just the most convenient time to release the movie.yyyyup.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on March 14, 2012, 03:49:50 AM
Maybe he'll call his next kid autumn.

Autumn of the Hunter, directed by Charles Lautumn.

End of thread.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on March 14, 2012, 10:54:17 AM
We need some real news, stat.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on March 14, 2012, 12:04:43 PM
Nah, the real reason is: PTA's my homeboy and he likes to get me outta da house to watch something coo on my birthday every few years..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: mogwai on March 14, 2012, 12:25:54 PM
(http://www.alexross.com/Crickets%20Carlton.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on March 14, 2012, 02:32:22 PM
Not really breaking news but he spoke!
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/03/jonny-greenwood-talks-collaborating.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 14, 2012, 03:41:18 PM
Not really breaking news but he spoke!
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/03/jonny-greenwood-talks-collaborating.html

What a fantastic interview. Thank you!  :yabbse-thumbup:

My favorite bit:

As for what Greenwood said about “Blood,” Anderson laughs. “Yeah — he likes to say that. And I like that about him. That’ll never be beaten out of him. It’s a lot of head-scratching and, like, ‘Oh, I really don’t know if I can do this,’ or, ‘No, I can’t do this,’ or even, y’know, ‘I just shouldn’t do this.’ And then the next thing you know, you have an e-mail with like, 45 minutes of music in your in-box, and it’s all amazing and wildly different and terrific. That’s kind of him in a nutshell: ‘No, no. I really can’t. I don’t know how to do this.’ And then you get this huge platter of stuff.”
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on March 27, 2012, 09:23:42 PM
The Master Officially Set For October 12 Release Date  (http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/paul-thomas-andersons-the-master-bags-october-12-release-date)

199 Days until The Master
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on March 27, 2012, 09:45:46 PM
The Master Officially Set For October 12 Release Date  (http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/paul-thomas-andersons-the-master-bags-october-12-release-date)

199 Days until The Master

hell yeah!  :bravo:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 27, 2012, 10:07:53 PM


Yes, I just installed a countdown mod.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I am Schmi on March 27, 2012, 10:19:59 PM
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh



Not even that long away, can't wait! When do you guys think we'll get a trailer?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on March 27, 2012, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: The Playlist
Ron L. Hubbard

So in lieu of getting a new title for the movie they just went ahead and changed the name of the dude who inspired it.

nice of them to treat us to this scoop.

cigs and redvines must be twirling in their ice skates.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pedro on March 28, 2012, 02:38:58 AM
My guess is that we get a teaser in May and a trailer in June.  Is that too early?

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on March 28, 2012, 10:51:19 AM
Updated with lots of new info:
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2011/06/here-is-your-master-cast.html

More Join 'The Master' Cast, Editor, Costume Designer, More Confirmed
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/03/more-join-cast-editor-costume-designer.html

Tichenor is out, McNulty is in, etc.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: jerome on March 28, 2012, 07:33:49 PM
Tichenor is out, McNulty is in, etc.

(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9814/avid.jpg)

(sorry)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on March 28, 2012, 09:42:19 PM
I laugh-out-louded.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on March 29, 2012, 04:28:10 AM


Yes, I just installed a countdown mod.

Get it up on the site!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on March 29, 2012, 11:36:59 AM
Mac, what do you think all that "call me Jonathan" business was a while back with Joaquin? Character is still Freddie Sutton as far as we know, right?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Brando on March 29, 2012, 02:28:12 PM
My guess is that we get a teaser in May and a trailer in June.  Is that too early?

If I remember correctly, There will be Blood was released at the end of 2007.  It was like a December 25th or 30th release but the teaser trailer came out online at the beginning of summer. I think it came out more than six months before it's release date. Maybe the release date and final name was holding a teaser or trailer back.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: diggler on March 29, 2012, 03:29:29 PM
Wasn't that teaser for TWBB made against the studio's wishes? I'd be surprised to see him pull that stunt again (although it's still the best trailer for that film)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: chere mill on March 29, 2012, 06:34:12 PM
yep. pta talks about it here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1us8RFaTSA
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on March 29, 2012, 07:02:34 PM
HOLY ASS JUICE. I just caught up with the news. :yabbse-grin:

its been an extremely LONG wait and its almost here. Hope he does put out a trailer out on youtube again. I'm sure it'll be posted here or cigs immediately. That being said, I'm sure the limited release won't be anywhere near Miami, FL so fml.......... :doh:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on March 29, 2012, 10:24:47 PM
Quote
That being said, I'm sure the limited release won't be anywhere near Miami, FL so fml..........

Oh, I'm in Miami too! It'll only be in limited release? I'm sure it'll still play on Lincoln Road or at Sunset.. It has to play here somewhere..

...

..It has to..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 29, 2012, 10:30:02 PM
If PDL got an immediate wide release (Sandler notwithstanding), I don't see how this can't...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on March 29, 2012, 10:44:43 PM
PDL didn't. I remember driving to NYC from Philadelphia so I could see it opening night.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 29, 2012, 11:06:09 PM
Hmm fair point. I guess I'm misremembering because it was a super-limited initial release. Now I looked it up:

10/11/2002 - NY, LA, Toronto
11/1/2002 - Wide Release

I fully expected I would need to go to Uptown Minneapolis to see PDL, but it was playing freaking everywhere.

I think malkovich was afraid The Master won't get a wide release at all. Which I doubt. Has anything been said about that officially yet?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on March 30, 2012, 07:29:35 AM
Nothing said. I'm just assuming they'll do a NY/LA first week then a bunch of cities next week and growing wide over November etc. into the holidays ideally.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on March 30, 2012, 09:04:22 AM
Cannes? Venice? TIFF? The Festival Route: We Run Down The Odds
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/03/festival-route-we-run-down-odds.html

Let me know if this seems to make sense...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on March 30, 2012, 10:23:49 AM
It makes sense, but it seems to hard to predict based on where his previous movies have premiered, because they've all done something different. And what The Weinsteins want to do with it will be a major factor as well. The reasoning for those guesses seem pretty solid, though.

I know it's definitely a long shot, but I'm hoping for a Cannes premiere, for purely selfish reasons.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Just Withnail on April 02, 2012, 12:59:24 PM
I know it's definitely a long shot, but I'm hoping for a Cannes premiere, for purely selfish reasons.

 well...

:yabbse-thumbup: (http://blogdufestivaldecannes.com/2012/04/02/cannes-film-festival/cannes-2012-exclu-liste-des-films-en-competition-blog-du-festival-de-cannes/)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on April 02, 2012, 02:53:39 PM
While I certainly hope that list is real, it's totally likely that it's not:

http://www.indiewire.com/article/did-the-2012-cannes-competition-lineup-just-get-leaked

There's some weird shit goin' on and nobody seems to know for sure, but that thing reads too much like somebody's wish-list, so I'm gonna hold out for the official announcement before blowing my wad.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on April 02, 2012, 03:04:35 PM
da French be April foolin
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on April 14, 2012, 07:19:34 PM
My buddy and I are planning on not watching ANY teaser/trailer/footage NOTHING of The Master, to walk into the cinema with absolutely no preconception/clue/visualization of what we are about to experience, to absorb the film in the greatest way.  I just thought it would be awesome if we got more people to do this with us, because it's going to HURT. It's more fun when we're being sadistic cinephiles together. =) :shock:

The first viewing of The Master (in a 70mm format) cinema only happens once in a lifetime. :yabbse-thumbup:


(going to be wacking it to the poster)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on April 14, 2012, 08:01:00 PM
sounds fun but i know the power of my own hype and i'd hate to Southland-Tales myself again...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on April 14, 2012, 08:14:04 PM
I would love to have this restraint. But I know it's impossible.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on April 15, 2012, 10:51:38 AM
You're a smart Man, cloudy. I watched Magnolia for the first time blind, having only seen the trailer and it completely blew me away ( but that was on a VHS tape, not goddamned 70mm ). These days with having the internet and all, I just have to glom on to any piece of information available. It kinda makes me wish I only became aware of movies like two weeks before they came out, from the moment I saw the trailer and then read some little blurb in the New York Times, then sitting my ass in a theater and figuring it out for myself, but that would make the rest of the year torture!

So, I've already read the scripts for 'The Master' and 'Django Unchained' ( it's just too easy when you have material like that at your fingertips ) and last night I deliberately spoiled Cabin in the Woods for myself. Possible Spoiler It started with watching the trailer "because I at least gotta know what it's about..." and then I noticed Richard Jenkins wasn't anywhere to be seen, he was the main reason I wanted to see this, so what character does he play? I'll just look up the plot here and BAM.. it's ruined. I have a long history of self-sabotage.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on April 15, 2012, 09:01:32 PM
They're just not popcorn movies, is all.

and its a shame you turned your back on Burger King because:

It's time to watch a PTA flick while eating a whopper with cheese with light mayo, onion rings and a medium orange soda. Nothing can stop me.

I wanted to hear what that experience was like for you. I imagine you'd just die right there in the theater, full of pure bliss. So maybe it's better you don't.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on April 17, 2012, 03:02:43 PM
"The Master" eyeing a fall festival bow, won't be heading to Cannes (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118052659.html?cmpid=RSS|News|LatestNews)

I saw it coming, but still..

:(
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on April 18, 2012, 10:21:57 AM
Paul Thomas Anderson Film May Be About Scientology (Joaquin's character now named Freddie Quell?)  (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/movies/paul-thomas-anderson-film-may-be-about-scientology.html?_r=1)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on April 18, 2012, 12:27:25 PM
Some good info hidden in there. Posted cigs&Vines. (http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/04/ny-times-talks-master.html)

1. During filming, the project was referred to as “untitled western.”

2. Budget was approx. $30 million making it "larger, perhaps" in scope than "There Will Be Blood" (which had a $25 million price tag).

3. Joaquin Phoenix's character is now called Freddie Quell (was previously Freddie Sutton). He also shares "accidental similarities" with Paul’s father. "The elder Anderson was a Navy vet who served in the Pacific during World War II, and, like Quell, was born about 90 years ago."

4. For the character of The Master (Philip Seymour Hoffman), Paul took inspiration from "the personalities behind cults and religious and pop psychology movements with roots in California. Those have included Aimee Semple McPherson, who used radio to evangelize in the 1920s; Werner Erhard, whose est movement swept California in the 1970s; and Jim Jones of San Francisco, whose followers drank the cyanide-laced Flavor Aid (not Kool-Aid) in 1978."

5. The Church Of Scientology is not publicly speaking out against the film. A rep says, "The Church only knows about the film what it has read in the press,” and “We have not seen the film, so can’t say one way or another.”

6. Some have speculated that the suicides of "Punch-Drunk Love" artist Jeremy Blake and his girlfriend Theresa Duncan in 2007 prompted PTA to write the film. (They were allegedly harassed by Scientologists.) But a friend of Paul's says, “It’s been in his head for years and years and years, probably 12 years,” meaning around 2000 post-"Magnolia" era.

7. Bill Pohlad, the Minneapolis film financier who had backed "The Tree Of Life" provided "interim support while the filmmaker’s crew scouted locations and otherwise prepared to shoot a movie" but "never intended to finance" the film. As we all know, Megan Ellison (and her Annapurna Pictures) shingle came to the rescue.

8. Perhaps most intriguingly, the film has evolved.

    People on its periphery say the picture evolved, even as Mr. Anderson shot it.

    The Potomac, which figures as Dodd’s yacht, is grander than the converted cattle trawler once described in Mr. Anderson’s script, though perhaps closer to Hubbard’s Apollo, on which he cruised in the 1970s.

    The mansion in Vallejo feels more imposing than what in the script is called Helen’s House, the suburban home of a follower, played by Ms. Dern, who is party to some of the Master’s deeper secrets.

    In any case, those secrets will present challenges when the film is screened.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on April 19, 2012, 09:02:28 AM
The Master not playing Cannes (http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/04/master-not-playing-cannes.html).
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: chere mill on April 20, 2012, 03:40:54 AM
disappointing. but i am envious of this year's cannes attendees who will see the new films of michael haneke, abbas kiarostami, cristian mungiu, and david cronenberg.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 15, 2012, 03:20:02 AM
First transmission from Paul...

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/05/exclusive-65mm-filmstrip-reveals-first.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on May 15, 2012, 03:56:12 AM
guys that shot is an echo of this:

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/pubrick/vidcaps/ChereMillBeBlood-dano.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 15, 2012, 11:04:50 AM
Nice! And congrats on the scoop. It's nice to hear that he appreciates you guys. But he couldn't have provided a higher-resolution image, really?

Is it just me, or does PSH look like he's in mid-dance in those frames?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 15, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
Good call.  I messed around a little more in Photoshop and got this.

http://twitpic.com/9lehjz

Looks like The Master is dancing into the next room while bystanders clap for him. To the side is a piano & a woman playing an upright bass.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on May 15, 2012, 11:32:42 AM
Awesome. Still holding out for a better title.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on May 15, 2012, 12:08:17 PM
the WHITE master.. haha, jk
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on May 15, 2012, 12:44:57 PM
This movie is not representative of the cult that I live in.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on May 15, 2012, 12:50:03 PM
Awesome. Still holding out for a better title.

I have to agree on this. "The Master" is okay, but it's no "Punch-Drunk Love" or "There will be Blood"
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 15, 2012, 01:10:43 PM
Mod, your linked picture is not working. I want to see it!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 15, 2012, 01:13:51 PM
Try now.

http://twitpic.com/9lehjz
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 15, 2012, 01:40:45 PM
That's a bit better.

It looks like he's doing a frumpy old man dance, too.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Just Withnail on May 15, 2012, 05:02:05 PM
i'm imagining something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=d-xSxWX7_-4#t=24s)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 15, 2012, 05:50:56 PM
Haha exactly.

That scene is now ruined for me.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 16, 2012, 04:08:35 AM
Robert Downey SR. says he's seen "90 minutes of his new movie" and says "its great". Also calls P.T the west coast Martin Scorsese. lolwut?

http://projection-booth.blogspot.com/2012/03/episode-55-putney-swope.html

at the 38 minute mark.  The man has beat Emily Watson's record.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 16, 2012, 08:55:25 AM
Thanks for the headsup, P Heat.

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/05/pta-joins-robert-downey-sr-in.html

Update 5/16:  During a completely unrelated Downey Sr. interview with the Projection Booth podcast (about the 38 minute mark), the subject of PTA came up when he was asked about filmmakers who have been influenced by his work. "Well, Paul I've known a long time," Downey Sr. said. "I knew him before he made a feature. In fact, he's going to do the interview with me for the [Criterion] box set. Yeah, he's a good guy. I've seen 90 minutes of his new movie ["The Master"] too, it's great." Looks like PTA is continuing to show the unfinished film to his close circle of friends as you'll remember Emily Watson had seen 30 minutes back in December. This also means the film is probably running quite a bit over 90 minutes as it seems unlikely everything but the final few minutes would've been screened. (For reference TWBB: 158 min, PDL: 95 min, MAG: 189 min, BOOGIE: 156 min, H8: 102 min.)

Continuing his kind words about Paul he said, "He's an interesting character. He's actually the West Coast Marty Scorsese in a way, he knows every film that was ever shot. He's one of those guys...In fact he asked me if he could use the firecracker scene [from "Putney Swope"] in "Boogie Nights," I said 'Of course.' I like that film." Also of interest is that a few years ago Paul had apparently been talking to Downey about potentially writing something based on events from his life. "He was interested in my teenage years when I was in and out of prison and the army. And I think he thought at one time that that kinda stuff might be interesting. He's heard a lot of stories from me. I remember talking about that. He's talked about it other times but he's got a lot of thoughts on his mind, he's always thinking." You can listen to the entire thing over at The Projection Booth. (via xixax).
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on May 16, 2012, 12:46:56 PM
This interviewer had some good questions, but why wouldn't he delve further into how that 90 minute preview was. What a missed opportunity.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on May 16, 2012, 10:08:02 PM
it's happening.

his close circles, PT himself, all have yet to refer to it as "The Master"

night, folks .....

(http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/loisirs/camping/dormir.gif)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on May 16, 2012, 11:41:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p-lyApnTZ4
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: mogwai on May 17, 2012, 09:16:19 AM
Robert Downey SR. says he's seen "90 minutes of his new movie" and says "its great". Also calls P.T the west coast Martin Scorsese. lolwut?

http://projection-booth.blogspot.com/2012/03/episode-55-putney-swope.html

at the 38 minute mark.  The man has beat Emily Watson's record.

Thanks for posting that link, that podcast is very good.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 19, 2012, 09:53:16 PM
shit. Don't tell me we have to wait once a week for a new video of P.T and Bob Downey talking shit and lounging. that shit was great, who here wouldn't wanna get blazed with P.T and watch Downey's old absurd movies. Shit should be a T.V show on showtime or something with a guest appearance from Pynchon bringing his favorite stash of shit.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 20, 2012, 11:37:40 AM
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/05/first-footage-from-master-to-unspool.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on May 20, 2012, 01:34:04 PM
I thought we were finally gonna see some footage for a second... still, great news.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on May 20, 2012, 01:34:36 PM
Well, we're kicking ourselves after all for not making plans for Cannes this year...

shit. Don't tell me we have to wait once a week for a new video of P.T and Bob Downey talking shit and lounging. that shit was great, who here wouldn't wanna get blazed with P.T and watch Downey's old absurd movies. Shit should be a T.V show on showtime or something with a guest appearance from Pynchon bringing his favorite stash of shit.
  :!:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 21, 2012, 10:38:23 AM
http://www.themasterfilm.com/
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Just Withnail on May 21, 2012, 10:53:21 AM
weird lovely surprising OF COURSE kubrick aaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on May 21, 2012, 10:55:51 AM
 :shock:

Joaquin Phoenix for best actor.


and I guess it's official that it's going to be called The Master.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Just Withnail on May 21, 2012, 11:02:22 AM
also: anamorphic distortions "straang" DDL look-alike profiles
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 21, 2012, 11:20:46 AM
OMG

I got chills too. The atmosphere is so thick. This is going to be amazing.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on May 21, 2012, 11:23:51 AM
PSH's character is the elephant in the room
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 21, 2012, 11:28:26 AM
Good God. WTF??? This is gonna be the best thing ever.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on May 21, 2012, 11:46:10 AM
im at work and can only watch with the sound off

but its working

and now im ready
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: O. on May 21, 2012, 12:02:18 PM
This is changing my life right now.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: SeanMalloy on May 21, 2012, 12:05:57 PM
This looks just stunning!  That camera is a marvelous piece of equipment.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/9oZDKFoCqAw?rel=0 (http://www.youtube.com/embed/9oZDKFoCqAw?rel=0)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Brando on May 21, 2012, 01:45:16 PM
Did the Master trailer shut down Xixax?  Had a message saying the site was busy. 

Joaquin Phoenix does not look like Joaquin Phoenix.  He looks like he's 48 years old. The hype around this being his "comeback" has already started.  I also liked there was nothing with PSH.  I hope they don't put him in any of the trailers and keep him a mystery. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 21, 2012, 02:00:02 PM
4 min screens at Cannes, PSH, Adams, Joaquin all featured:

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/05/four-minutes-of-master-footage-screens.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on May 21, 2012, 02:22:09 PM
I, too, thought the Master trailer had shut down Xixax.  Seriously having trouble concentrating today after watching it at least eight times.
Going to stop watching it and then start again tonight.
Stunning
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on May 21, 2012, 02:22:43 PM
Brad Bird just twitted the master teaser from the cigsandredvines link, not empire's, megan ellison's (god bless her soul), playlist, etc. cigsandredvines!

and the bitter might say, so fucking what? well, so fucking awesome!

even thou I have nothing to do with contributing or maintaining the site, cigs feels like it's us.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on May 21, 2012, 02:32:17 PM
 Teaser  (http://www.youtube.com/embed/9oZDKFoCqAw?rel=0) <this should stay here for a while

Hallalujah! its even better with sound!

I see Last Detail
I see Cuckoo's Nest
I see Papillion
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Brando on May 21, 2012, 03:05:39 PM

Someone who was at the screening posted some tidbits of what he saw from both The Master and Django.

http://www.awardsdaily.com/2012/05/preview-footage-from-weinstein-co-threefer-django-unchained-silver-linings-playbookthe-master-and/ (http://www.awardsdaily.com/2012/05/preview-footage-from-weinstein-co-threefer-django-unchained-silver-linings-playbookthe-master-and/)

"The first reel they showed was from Paul Thomas Anderson’s The Master. We saw a lot more than could be shown in the trailer, naturally, as there were tits, masturbation and more violence. I couldn’t really get a read on what it’s about exactly except that people kept talking about Joaquin Phoenix like he was a madman. Philip Seymour Hoffman and Amy Adams both great in what they have to do but it’s Phoenix’s show. If you’re looking for your possible acting nods, you have three potential ones right there.

I like it that it flies in the face of recent Academy tradition of safe, sappy fare. It throws down gasoline and lights it on fire. The music — Johnny Cash, Phoenix – completely out of his mind jerking off on the beach with people nearby. And there will be blood, sex, sweat and tears. Anderson is a ferocious, creative mind at work — this is a deepening for him, not a detour."
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on May 21, 2012, 03:16:34 PM
that is a masterful masterbaterable teaser right there!


Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 21, 2012, 03:18:24 PM
Having stayed away from any version of the script, I had no idea it would be this intense. So thrilled about that.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on May 21, 2012, 03:28:15 PM
Tons of reactions to the Cannes footage here:

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/05/four-minutes-of-master-footage-screens.html

Thrilled about the Brad Bird link, too. Andrew Stanton also RT'd us this morning.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Brando on May 21, 2012, 03:30:38 PM
Having stayed away from any version of the script, I had no idea it would be this intense. So thrilled about that.

I agree. I didn't read the script and any details that I did learn from those who have read the script I have long forgotten. Although I do remember a post about a line from the script that was close to a line from Moby Dick.


I'm sure a lot has changed since that script as well. I read somewhere that Joaquin's name has changed. Also what I've read, since I have nothing to do right now except update google news every couple minutes, is that this is clearly about Scientology and PSH is channeling L Ron Hubbard. I always thought the Scientology influence was being overblown by the media and PTA just used the idea of it as inspiration.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pwaybloe on May 21, 2012, 03:58:55 PM
How does a 1:40 trailer look more interesting than anything else I've seen this year?  It looks fascinating, even with this snippet of footage.

I love the over the shoulder shot on Phoenix's face.  For some reason it makes the dialogue more eerie than the more typical Kubrick-like shot it cuts to. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on May 21, 2012, 04:01:50 PM
I always thought the Scientology influence was being overblown by the media and PTA just used the idea of it as inspiration.

he probably used that as the guise he needed to get away with what i'm hoping will be a full on assult
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: md on May 21, 2012, 05:34:38 PM
that nipple pinch is titillating...and the fish eye bugged me out the first time around. but damn pta is simply the best!

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Brando on May 21, 2012, 08:17:46 PM
This guy gives a scene by scene, line by line of both screenings for The Master and Django.  Also, it seems the fuel from torpedoes is actually 180 grain alcohol and why he is drinking it in the trailer.

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/the-weinsteins-unveil-early-peeks-at-django-the-master-and-silver-linings-at-cannes (http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/the-weinsteins-unveil-early-peeks-at-django-the-master-and-silver-linings-at-cannes)

SPOILERS

"The Master"

If you saw the trailer earlier today, you have some idea of what we saw, but it was a different assembly.  While the soundtrack was the same at the beginning, with that unnerving Jonny Greenwood score and the interview between the Army official and Joaquin Phoenix, the images themselves were different.  We saw Phoenix standing in a hallway, writing on a piece of paper affixed to a corkboard.  As the interview reached its end, the camera pushed forward so we could read the very short and direct note:  "Gone to China," and then his signature.

We saw the same footage of the fight on the beach, the footage of him drinking the alcohol that looks like it's coming from a torpedo, and then the close-up of him sitting across from the guy that's interviewing him.  "What happened?  Sir?"

"Let's just see if we can't help you remember what happened."

Then began new footage.  Joaquin Phoenix running across a field, afraid.  Him on a boat, walking along a deck at night.  And then his first encounter with Philip Seymour Hoffman.  He asks Hoffman, "What do you do?"

"I do many many things.  I am a doctor, a writer, a nuclear physicist, a theoretical philosopher.  But above all, I am a man."

We see Hoffman onstage, addressing a group.  "I'd like to talk to you today about cold feet and narrow minds.  People who have cold feet cannot move forward. People who have narrow minds cannot move side to side. They both take courage.  This is what I'd like to talk about."

Then Amy Adams is introduced, and she's got a crazy intensity, even in these short clips, that practically radiates off the screen.  "This exercise will help you with your concentration.  Look at my eyes.  I want you to place something in the future for yourself that you would like to have.  It's there, waiting for you."

Then it's back to Hoffman and Phoenix, sitting across from each other in some intense encounter, Hoffman challenging him.  "Say your name."

Phoenix sounds hesitant in his response.  "Freddie Crock."

"Say it again."

Louder this time.  "Freddie Crock."

"Might as well say it one more time, just to make sure you know who you are."

"Freddie Crock."

We see a group of people shooting on the beach, Phoenix among them, and then we see Adams confronting Hoffman, almost in tears.  "And this is where we are at," she says.  "At the lowest level.  To have to explain ourselves.  For what?  For what we do, we have to grovel.  The only way to defend ourselves is to attack.  If we don't do that, we will lose every battle we are engaged in.  We will never dominate our environment the way we should unless we attack."

Now we appear to be jumping scene to scene, moment to moment.  It's just impressions.  Adams laughing, out of control.  "It's a grim joke."

Hoffman groans.  "I was thoughtless in my remarks."

As the scenes cut from one to the next, we keep returning to a haunting image of Phoenix, framed in a window, punching himself in the head.  Fast.

Hoffman accuses him.  "You linger in bus stations for pleasure."  Another shot of Phoenix, punching faster now.  Back to Hoffman.  "Is your life a struggle?"  Punching faster and faster.  "Is your behavior erratic? Are you unpredictable?"  Phoenix, sitting across from Hoffman, farts loudly and begins to laugh as Hoffman recoils.  "What a horrible young man you are."

It seems like they're picking at him, breaking him down.  "You're a dirty animal who eats its own feces when it's hungry."

We see them meeting, talking about Phoenix.  Amy Adams in particular doesn't seem to trust him.  "I wonder how he got here and what he's after.  Is it really all so easy that he just came across us?  He's dangerous and he will be our undoing if we continue to have him here."

Hoffman's not convinced, though.  "If we are not helping him, then it is we who have failed him… is it not?"

Adams is the last one to speak as the title comes up.  "The Master."  Simple white letters on a black background.  "Perhaps he's past help.  Or insane."  And the Greenwood score ends on a lone violin, mournful.  It was a dizzying piece of footage, and much of it was just close-ups against stark black backgrounds, these great actors and their faces and nothing else.  It certainly made me eager to see what PTA has been up to, and it also pretty much confirms any report that tied the film to the origins of Scientology.  While they may not be doing a straight biopic of L. Ron Hubbard, if you're familiar with his life, it would be impossible not to see him and his wife and the early followers in what we saw tonight.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 21, 2012, 08:25:18 PM
LOL the one area that I read from an old script from the master ends up being on the trailer. at least a few lines. 

That Greenwood track in the back round is awesome. Definitely gives the teaser a CMBB companion piece vide  I don't even like radiohead that much but this guy can make soundtracks. Also thank you to cigs and redvines for posting that link to the RARE teaser made by P.T for CMBB. YES I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT. SHIT WAS HARD TO FIND AT ONE POINT AND I GAVE UP. Both teasers have similar attributes.

JUST TO CONFIRM. Was this teaser made by P.T himself as well?

there seems to be a few noticeable artifacts at times in the teaser btw. The picture itself is VERY film like. DAT 65mm film.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on May 21, 2012, 08:31:20 PM
Okay, just so we're clear now.  His name is Freddie Sutton Quell Crock.

I love the colors of the melons, juxtaposed with the melons of the sandcastle nipples Freddie tweaks.  There are so many decisions a filmmaker makes, and what astonishes me is how he somehow always manages to make the right ones.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on May 21, 2012, 08:33:22 PM
LOL the one area that I read from an old script from the master ends up being on the trailer. at least a few lines. 

That Greenwood track in the back round is awesome. Definitely gives the teaser a CMBB companion piece vide  I don't even like radiohead that much but this guy can make soundtracks. Also thank you to cigs and redvines for posting that link to the RARE teaser made by P.T for CMBB. YES I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT. SHIT WAS HARD TO FIND AT ONE POINT AND I GAVE UP. Both teasers have similar attributes.

JUST TO CONFIRM. Was this teaser made by P.T himself as well?

which part of the script was that? what lines?

here's a video where pta talks about that TWBB teaser and how it found its way online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1us8RFaTSA

the teaser on youtube is posted by user AlRosePromotions, with the description reading: Al Rose Promotions is proud to present our Encore Presentation.....
(the same channel was used to upload the There Will Be Blood Midnight Shows trailer back in 2007)


Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 21, 2012, 08:46:54 PM
^^^
NO clue.  that was basically a year ago. Somewhere 1/4 into it. I remember just reading that and only that bcuz I thought i wouldn't spoil anything and give me the fix I wanted. Its probably not word for word neither now that i think about it. probably some revising happened along the way.

that interview scene like some anon commented in cigs is a "The Shinning" nod right there.

Quote
@Jake_Howell: THE MASTER looks actually very good - a 2012 film with a 90s film aesthetic (watch AMERICAN BEAUTY and you will understand) #Cannes

WTF??  I don't even...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: md on May 21, 2012, 09:06:24 PM
me thinks its ethanol they are drinking or "torpedo juice" as it was called by sailors during WWII.  PTA and his mystery drinks...

Also someone mentioned this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V.) as a possible influence, which I thought was interesting. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on May 21, 2012, 09:06:42 PM
  "I'd like to talk to you today about cold feet and narrow minds.  People who have cold feet cannot move forward. People who have narrow minds cannot move side to side. They both take courage.  This is what I'd like to talk about."

this must be when he starts dancing.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 21, 2012, 09:39:24 PM
Personally, after this amazing teaser I have enough information and don't really want to know more. I tried to stay spoiler-free for CMBB but there were still moments during the first viewing where I was like "oh right I saw this in the trailer 7 times!" and it really took me out of the movie.

So yeah, we're pretty good about this generally, but please post SPOILER warnings when necessary, preferably in red. When in doubt, warn. Some of us are neurotic purists.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: BB on May 21, 2012, 09:48:16 PM
Also someone mentioned this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V. as a possible influence, which I thought was interesting.

I think you mean  this  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V.)

The Pynchon novel. Not the letter.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on May 21, 2012, 11:24:00 PM
I had never really respected Joaquin Phoenix as an actor until just now.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on May 22, 2012, 12:36:48 AM
I cannot wait until this is in theaters.  :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Brando on May 22, 2012, 01:09:02 AM
I had never really respected Joaquin Phoenix as an actor until just now.

Haha. 

I thought he was good in Two Lovers but it was still his kind of melancholy acting. That made me kinda apprehensive when I learned he took this role. I thought he'd play the role that way. But damn he really does come off as crazy. He doesn't look like Joaquin Phoenix to me. In that minute clip, comes off as truly unstable which two hours of I'm still here couldn't do.

My initial understanding of the story was one of a character who was lost and searching for something and gets drawn into a cult of personalty by some eccentric individual.  Now it seems Joaquin is someone who has mental problems and happens onto some sort of cult.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 22, 2012, 01:13:05 AM
I had never really respected Joaquin Phoenix as an actor until just now.

I feel the same way. I only really remember him from U-Turn, and that was great, but this is just on another level.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: md on May 22, 2012, 01:14:35 AM
he's good in parenthood...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on May 22, 2012, 01:33:20 AM
I thought he was good in Two Lovers but it was still his kind of melancholy acting.

I love that movie, but I think it's more to James Gray's credit than anything Joaquin is doing. Doesn't he look like he just plain stinks in that interrogation room scene, whatever you wanna call it? Without getting too spoilerful, seems whatever he's been getting into is killing him and making him delusional. The only visual example I can think of to compare how he looks is the piss drinking woman from my strange addiction, the caption on this pic perhaps giving a lil hint to what Freddy has been up to.

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcbkR07l0H7RVQVuMRGpgDWRZVHm3N__EbU9fV7VSi-Mr786W7Q3pguRF3GA)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 22, 2012, 01:41:15 AM
Okay, just so we're clear now.  His name is Freddie Sutton Quell Crock.

I love the colors of the melons, juxtaposed with the melons of the sandcastle nipples Freddie tweaks.  There are so many decisions a filmmaker makes, and what astonishes me is how he somehow always manages to make the right ones.

What melons are you talking about??  I only see coconuts when he is sharpening that machete.  I see no sandcastle at all in that fish eye shot.???
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on May 22, 2012, 02:03:33 AM
I think he means the coconuts, and the sandcastle nipples aren't in the fisheye shot, but right before it. starts at 0:23
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Alexandro on May 22, 2012, 02:54:33 AM
I liked phoenix a lot in to die for, all his james gray films (two lovers specially), u turn, gladiator, quills, signs, the village, walk the line and yes I liked I'm Still Here. The movies weren't perfect but he was great in all of them.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 22, 2012, 05:25:15 AM
The other day I was watching Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol, and thinking "it's a shame Elswit did not shoot The Master". Now I see this teaser and I'm like "Robert who?"

Also, I'm with Alexandro. Phoenix is great in all of those movies he mentioned. He's one of the best actors out there, no doubt about it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on May 22, 2012, 10:15:54 AM
The other day I was watching Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol, and thinking "it's a shame Elswit did not shoot The Master". Now I see this teaser and I'm like "Robert who?"

That's the same I've been thinking about Renner
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on May 22, 2012, 12:21:24 PM
I think he means the coconuts, and the sandcastle nipples aren't in the fisheye shot, but right before it. starts at 0:23
Yeah, I misspoke.  Used to coconuts looking the stereotypical fluffy brown and wasn't sure what those were.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 22, 2012, 02:36:11 PM
The other day I was watching Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol, and thinking "it's a shame Elswit did not shoot The Master". Now I see this teaser and I'm like "Robert who?"

That's the same I've been thinking about Renner

Yes, but in that case, considering I'm a fan of Phoenix, I was OK with it from the start. Can't say I absolutely love the work of Mihai Malaimare Jr. until now though, mainly because I can't even pronounce his name.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Just Withnail on May 22, 2012, 03:11:48 PM
I think he means the coconuts, and the sandcastle nipples aren't in the fisheye shot, but right before it. starts at 0:23
Yeah, I misspoke.  Used to coconuts looking the stereotypical fluffy brown and wasn't sure what those were.

PTA: redefining our conceptions of coconuts since 2012.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on May 22, 2012, 03:34:30 PM
NEWSish:

 So PTA screened it for Cruise (http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/master-paul-thomas-anderson-reaches-out-scientologist-tom-cruise-exclusive-41111)

and, "Cruise “had issues” with some parts of the movie"
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on May 22, 2012, 04:15:56 PM
I promised myself I'd only watch ONE trailer for this movie, and this is it!
Probably going to kill that promise by the time the next one shows up, but hoping to go into this with very little in terms of expectations.
Hell, even this TEASER was great.
Can't say I'm always down with Greenwood's music alone, but as a characteristic of the film, seems to work it's magic quite well.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 22, 2012, 04:27:18 PM
I'm gonna take a nap, and then watch the teaser for the 8th time. who else has been doing this? I hope i wake up to new news as well. best feeling ever.....

forever alone.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 22, 2012, 04:33:36 PM
NEWSish:

 So PTA screened it for Cruise (http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/master-paul-thomas-anderson-reaches-out-scientologist-tom-cruise-exclusive-41111)

and, "Cruise “had issues” with some parts of the movie"

So much for avoiding the Scientology parallels. I'd like to know what Pubrick thinks about this.

I hope to God the film is not edited to "avoid conflict" with Scientology. We have no reason to think it will be, right?

Maybe this is just a friendly gesture to disarm them and avoid conflict, not to actually use their feedback. In which case it could be genius.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Brando on May 22, 2012, 05:22:24 PM
NEWSish:

 So PTA screened it for Cruise (http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/master-paul-thomas-anderson-reaches-out-scientologist-tom-cruise-exclusive-41111)

and, "Cruise “had issues” with some parts of the movie"

So much for avoiding the Scientology parallels. I'd like to know what Pubrick thinks about this.

I hope to God the film is not edited to "avoid conflict" with Scientology. We have no reason to think it will be, right?

Maybe this is just a friendly gesture to disarm them and avoid conflict, not to actually use their feedback. In which case it could be genius.

It has to be the latter. It seems to me the last group you want to have influence over your work would be the Scientologist.  They seem to be the give them an inch and they'll take a yard kind of group.  Also, I'm sure he would never do a film he didn't have final cut on so he wouldn't do this movie with an idea of handing over final cut to an outside group.  Finally, who would rather piss off? scientologist or the PTA fan boys? Sure the latter will raise hell over PTA being forced to edit his newest film.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on May 22, 2012, 05:27:04 PM
Can't say I absolutely love the work of Mihai Malaimare Jr. until now though, mainly because I can't even pronounce his name.

In my head I've been pronouncing it:

(http://cyclingrandma.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/092309-mallomars-p1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on May 22, 2012, 08:57:26 PM
"Cruise “had issues” with some parts of the movie"

show it to Travolta, give him a nice little handy after and this will all get smoothed over.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on May 22, 2012, 10:11:08 PM
intelligibleoxicated thoughts
on the tease..........................................

love the distinctive look of this thing

idk what's happening in that 65cam but such a 50's vibe giving off there in those images :inlove:  Malware Jr., what a fresh choice for this, gives it almost a European vibe.

freddie got interrogated; like pdl, his reactions like barry w/lena at restaurant and the likes.

torpedo juice is brilliant. only pt  can come up with this stuff, shifting around down there, like plainview in the derrick. dont talk, just...yeeah 

jonny's music makes the teaser, adds lots and lots to the kubrickian vibe. vibe. vi.be.

SPOILER FROM THE PLAY BY PLAY FOR NITPICKY JER BLACKS WHO WILL BUTT IN AND EDIT MY POST IF I DONT LABEL AS SUCH

masturbating on beach sandlove; sounds pdl-like too barry phone-love angry toby n. tucker.violence knuckle love. 

(http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/116102571/12256992)



intelligible thoughts to resume round the campfire
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 23, 2012, 12:08:34 AM
SPOILER FROM THE PLAY BY PLAY FOR NITPICKY JER BLACKS WHO WILL BUTT IN AND EDIT MY POST IF I DONT LABEL AS SUCH

Needs to be underlined.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: O. on May 23, 2012, 02:09:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/dooM7.jpg)

I'd just like to show my appreciation for this shot composition. Seems like it's taking directly from Kubrick's obsession with setting up shots in symmetrical triangles. Also note  the red lights in the background also framing that triangle like a boss.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 23, 2012, 03:18:56 AM
So its 4:00am and I go watch "the master" teaser before i go to bed, and i realize something.

WHY IS IT NOT IN 2:20:1??  And in a type of 1:85.1 style???  I have a 23' inch wide screen monitor and this is how i see it.  I want to see how the fish eye shot looks like in 2.20, or 2.35 even!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on May 24, 2012, 12:08:21 AM
you out there, pubrick?

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e105/CommentCrazyGirl/Smileys%20Action/Outdoor%20Activities/LoScrigno_campeggio2.gif)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on May 27, 2012, 08:39:51 AM
Man, it didn't take long for us to stop talking about that. I blame all the "no spoilers" people.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on May 27, 2012, 08:51:03 AM
i'm writing a longish post in reply to pozer's poignant question.

but in the meantime, and because i want people to read it once i post, it would be a good idea to get rid of the spoiler tag on the thread. it's not necessary to taint a whole thread when only a few posts are spoilerish.. and even then just about the least spoiling spoilers ever.

until the movie comes out and a thread for those who have seen it is created, spoilers can be marked locally within posts.. no need to block out a whole thread.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on May 28, 2012, 03:16:12 AM
"I've seen 90 minutes of his new one. It's just good. It's not really about Scientology. It just takes place in the '50s. "

there you have it i guess.

http://daily.greencine.com/archives/008254.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on May 29, 2012, 12:40:45 AM
 The Master likely to debut at Venice? (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/venice-international-film-festival-alberto-barbera-brian-de-palma-terrence-malick-330071)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Find Your Magali on May 29, 2012, 10:55:00 PM
I'm certainly up for a field trip to Venice. I'll sell my collection of 1980s baseball cards to fund it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on May 29, 2012, 11:04:40 PM
^ Find your magali makes his annual xixax appearance!

Back in the hole you go..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on May 30, 2012, 01:51:37 AM
I'm actually in Venice right now. If they can get the movie here before 6 pm local time today, I'm set.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Find Your Magali on June 03, 2012, 12:43:07 AM
^ Find your magali makes his annual xixax appearance!

Back in the hole you go..

Sadly, I don't have much time to watch or write about movies any more. The good news is that PTA's running speed is just perfect for me, as I get to the theater about once every 3-4 years. Looks like I'm due for a field trip around October. 

 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on June 04, 2012, 03:37:57 PM
somewhat funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To8vIUcaPtI

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on June 05, 2012, 11:05:26 AM
i'm writing a longish post in reply to pozer's poignant question.

I think everyone just waits for you to post that.

You know what we're doing in the meaintime...

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e105/CommentCrazyGirl/Smileys%20Action/Outdoor%20Activities/LoScrigno_campeggio2.gif)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on June 19, 2012, 01:34:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U8eyMFCpJw

FUCK
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on June 19, 2012, 01:41:48 AM
oh Man, no way am I sleeping. You rule, Malk.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ravi on June 19, 2012, 02:15:49 AM
What's with the two teasers so far being cropped to 1.78:1?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on June 19, 2012, 07:46:21 AM
Oh dear. When does this come out in Portugal, I wonder?

Well, maybe the 1.78:1 will be the format of the movie. I personally love his wide compositions, but at the same time it's always kind of interesting to see great filmmakers try new things.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ravi on June 19, 2012, 08:28:19 AM
Well, maybe the 1.78:1 will be the format of the movie. I personally love his wide compositions, but at the same time it's always kind of interesting to see great filmmakers try new things.

I figured since it was shot on 65mm that the aspect ratio would be 2.20:1 or cropped slightly from that to 2.39:1  :ponder:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on June 19, 2012, 10:03:20 AM
I know it's only two teasers, but it seems Joaquin Phoenix hit it out of the park..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: DocSportello on June 19, 2012, 10:57:58 AM
aaaagh this is so cool! I loved the first one and watched it like 25 times but it gave too little away. Now with this one there is just enough tease between the two. It looks so sun soaked and vintage. Joaquin is insane. We're already getting a sense of a large, densely layered personality from PSH's character. I love how PTA took the DYI aspect from his CMBB teaser but is taking it further with these same-score tid bits and this time it's obviously with the consent of Weinstein. This is what I needed. I was stoked before but now there is little doubt in my mind that what we are waiting on will be a great great film. Fuck to the yes.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: noyes on June 19, 2012, 11:45:00 AM
Good ol' Paul.

Anyone know if there will be a pre-screening like the Museum of Moving Image screening in December 2007 at that Chelsea theater?
Then again it's too early to tell. What a kick that was. 

Haven't been on here in awhile but of course PTA brings me back.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pedro on June 19, 2012, 04:01:14 PM
New link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SOz4T5QWCI
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on June 19, 2012, 06:58:32 PM
I'm always expecting that trash can to blow up behind him like with Johnny Boy at the beginning of Mean Streets.

Also, someone needs to transcribe what's being said at the 1:00 mark
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on June 19, 2012, 07:16:21 PM
I need to remember never to read the comment threads on other sites about these trailers.  The dumbest comment on Xixax is still smarter than the smartest comment on EW.com or Gawker. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 19, 2012, 07:49:27 PM
this made my day :yabbse-grin:

I think P.T himself decided to cropped the teasers in the ratios they are. I used to be a little mad about it but they do look stunning on my 23'in screen in HD. Favorite part in it is Amy Adams.. what a milf :shock: Someone here said that P.T didn't make the trailer (I think) and made me think that for a few days. Now cigs and vines is saying its by him.

@Reelist, I was thinking mean streets too! lol but when the camera moves, it reminds me of another movie.. I can't lay my finger on it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 19, 2012, 09:12:54 PM
There are definitely echoes of PDL in that tracking shot. I wonder if The Master will describe mental illness (or whatever it is) in a similar way.

Also, when is PSH going to run out of distinct performances? Just from this trailer, you already know it's unlike anything he's done before. Which at this stage is just baffling.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on June 19, 2012, 10:31:59 PM
that tracking shot of freddie is so tracking shot of plainview walking out the train.

i love these teasers.

paul is literally saving cinema for me.

again.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on June 20, 2012, 01:03:55 AM
We see PDL again in the red headed female (there'll be heaps of them here),
This has become the main reason I need to watch this.

PTA is reaching FMJ levels with this one.

Full Metal Jacket right?   :saywhat: :yabbse-undecided:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on June 20, 2012, 02:54:48 AM
We see PDL again in the red headed female (there'll be heaps of them here),
This has become the main reason I need to watch this.

Are you twelve years old or just trolling?

Jesus, this is why it's so hard to get any interesting movie discussion going here.

EDIT: I feel I should edit this cos maybe I'm being a bit harsh on little heat. Maybe you are in your teens and/or really lonely, horny, and not that into PTA at all.. so something stupid like a bunch of redheads is truly the main top biggest reason you are excited about seeing the latest film by the world's greatest living director. I can understand that, it's stupid, but i can understand it.

So in answer to your question, because maybe you've never discussed Kubrick online before, or even heard of the him outside of "that guy who made an awesome film with lots of tits in the 70s and a boring one with an orgy in the 90s", yes FMJ is Full Metal Jacket. Other official abbreviations you should remember are:

Eyes Wide Shut = EWS
THE SHiNiNG = the shin
Barry Lyndon = Barryndon
A Clockwork Orange = clork
2001: A space Odyssey = 2OO1 
Dr Strangelove, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb = Dr Strangelove, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
Lolita = lols
Spartacus = who gives a shit
And the rest = the rest
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on June 29, 2012, 10:15:25 AM
'The Master' Actor Barlow Jacobs Says The Film Is "Epic"
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/06/master-actor-barlow-jacobs-says-film-is.html

Fun Fact: This dude starred in Ghostboy's film "St. Nick."
Fun Fact #2: This dude was in two earlier films by two directors I interviewed this week for The Playlist.
Fun Fact #3: 105 days.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Brando on July 02, 2012, 12:07:18 PM
As Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise's divorce continue there will be more stories or gossip about Scientology being the reason behind it all.  There are already stories about Katie worried about Tom sending their daughter to some Scientology camp and Katie Holmes is being followed by Scientlogist. Whether The Master is or isn't about Scientology it has already been labeled the movie about Scientology. I have feeling whatever controversy or public interest in the film when it opens is going to be amplified now and be mentioned on E! along side Tom and Katie's divorce.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 02, 2012, 12:31:39 PM
You know, I think the whole "omg it's not about Scientology" thing is overblown. I don't think PTA is going to have that attitude with the film, either. I mean really, he's basically inviting those comparisons with this movie, and he understands that. Let's not worry that the whole thing is going to be massively misinterpreted. I'm sure it will be fine.

A better mantra for us might be: "it's about more than Scientology."
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: The Ultimate Badass on July 04, 2012, 01:07:57 AM
...
A better mantra for us might be: "it's about more than Scientology."

Yeah. Mormonism!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on July 09, 2012, 04:33:53 PM
Tom Cruise, other Scientology members dislike portrayal of a cult leader in new film 'The Master'
Source: NY Daily News

Tom Cruise’s fellow Scientology members would like to master “The Master.”

A source familiar with Paul Thomas Anderson ’s film about the founder of a Scientology-like religious movement tells us officials of the controversial church group “hit the roof” when they learned — presumably through Cruise — that the movie contains a scene which suggests the belief system was little more than a product of the leader’s fertile imagination.

In May, Anderson, who is friends with Cruise and directed him in “Magnolia,” the 1999 film that earned Cruise a Best Supporting Actor Oscar nomination — reportedly screened his film for the “Rock of Ages” star.

“The Master” is said to be loosely based on the life of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, and stars Philip Seymour Hoffman as Lancaster Dodd, the founder of a 1950s religious movement called The Cause.

Hubbard, a onetime writer of pulp and science fiction , founded the Church of Scientology in the ’50s.

Both the Wrap.com and Huffington Post reported other similarities between the fictional Dodd and the late Hubbard.

According to Wrap.com, Dodd, like Hubbard, creates his cultlike movement while on a boat trip.

HuffPo also noted that both Dodd and Hubbard “had wives named Mary Sue,” and said this “has caused some to wonder if the film will raise the hackles of the notoriously secretive group.”

After Cruise saw “The Master,” Wrap.com reported the actor “had issues” with parts of the highly anticipated movie .

According to our insider, one scene that didn’t sit well with Cruise takes place on a patio where Joaquin Phoenix , who plays Freddie Sutton, a troubled drifter who becomes Dodd’s right-hand disciple, watches Dodd pontificate about the religion he has created.

During the scene, the source says, another character close to the founder turns to Phoenix and says of Dodd, “You know he’s making it up as he goes along.”

Referring to the actual Church of Scientology, our source says, “Tom Cruise’s people are grumbling about this line — amongst others — but Anderson is not taking it out.”

Cruise’s spokeswoman declined to comment on this story. Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw responded: “No one in the church has seen the film, and we have no comment. ”

Although the Weinstein Co. will not release “The Master” until Oct. 12, Anderson’s movie has become a hot topic since Katie Holmes filed for divorce from Cruise on June 29.

The Weinstein Company declined to comment and Anderson did not respond by deadline.

The “Dawson’s Creek” actress is seeking sole custody of their daughter, Suri Cruise , amid rumors that Holmes feared the influence Scientology was having on the 6-year-old girl.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on July 16, 2012, 11:14:09 AM
Harvey Weinstein was on this week's podcast of The Treatment with Elvis Mitchell and he talks a bit about PTA. I'm too lazy to transcribe it but he basically says he's been wanting to work with Paul for a while and this movie was a perfect marriage. He spoke of protests being inevitable and the film needing a strong studio not afraid of controversy and willing to go to bat for it, which is of course Weinstein's M.O.

He was surprisingly funny and somewhat of a film historian which surprised me.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on July 16, 2012, 01:00:13 PM
"You know, I’ve always wanted to work with Paul Thomas Anderson but I don’t think there’s any accident why we got together on this. You know, Megan Ellison is a brilliant producer but I think the themes of this movie and the subject matter, you need somebody who is going to step in front of this and be fearless about it. "

More (http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/07/is-master-heading-to-venice-more-rumors.html).

Thanks for the headsup!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on July 18, 2012, 09:46:00 AM
from cigs&redvines

'The Master' Is Finished; Has Been Rated R

Probably fairly obvious to anyone who has seen Paul's previous films but "The Master" has also been rated R. The naughty bits are for "sexual content, graphic nudity and language" according to Box Office Mojo (via @angel_glands). This also means that the film has been completed and is (in theory) ready to be screened...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on July 18, 2012, 11:29:53 AM
I have an inside source that told me that a couple weeks ago Paul was in Austin testing the sound for the Master in a theater at the Alamo Drafthouse. He had some guys with a soundboard set up testing levels etc...

A) I'm kicking myself for finding out too late to stalk him and force him into handshakes and pictures.
B) This particular location is where Fantastic Fest happens in September. There's a good chance this gets shown there.
C) So pissed that I don't have VIP badge for Fantastic Fest this year.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on July 18, 2012, 11:55:58 AM
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

 :crazyeyes:

Do you think there's a possibility that there will be some sort of secret or surprise screening of this before Fantastic Fest? That's still a little ways away. This is very exciting news, though.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on July 18, 2012, 08:03:48 PM
'The Master' Poster: Paul Thomas Anderson's Newest Movie Gets First Look (EXCLUSIVE)
The Huffington Post

"The Master" poster is here, and it's a glass-half-full affair. Paul Thomas Anderson's newest film -- and his first since the Best Picture-nominated "There Will Be Blood" in 2007 -- arrives in theaters in October, but it's already shrouded in secrecy and controversy.

What you may already know: Philip Seymour Hoffman plays Lancaster Dodd, a man who forms his own religious movement during the 1950s. Amy Adams plays Dodd's wife, while Joaquin Phoenix stars as his young-but-troubled protege. If that bare bones description sounds familiar, it's because "The Master" is rumored to be a thinly veiled look at the life of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard (for instance, both Hubbard and the fictional Dodd were married to women named Mary Sue). However, even that connection is up for debate.

"I don't know what you've heard and what script you've read," Philip Seymour Hoffman told Hollywood Elsewhere blogger Jeffrey Wells last year, "[but] trust me, it's not about Scientology."

A feature in the New York Times back in April furthered the connection, however, and there were reports that Anderson wanted to screen the film for Tom Cruise, Scientology's highest profile member. (The two worked together on "Magnolia," which earned Cruise a well-deserved Oscar nomination.)

So far, little has been seen of "The Master" beyond two fascinating teaser trailers -- one which focused on Phoenix's Navy veteran and the other on Hoffman's Dodd. The newest poster, which HuffPost Entertainment is happy to debut in conjunction with Moviefone, offers little more, beyond the striking image of a glass (or bottle) half full.

Check the poster out below. "The Master," which has to rank as one of the most highly anticipated films of the year for most cinephiles, is out in theaters on Oct. 12.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/the-master-poster-paul-thomas-anderson_n_1684776.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment

(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/692608/original.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Champion Souza on July 18, 2012, 11:47:24 PM
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I like it.
Title: Re: The Master
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Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on July 19, 2012, 12:10:01 AM
the striking image of a glass (or bottle) half full.

Huffington Post needs some new glasses.  That's clearly something partially submerged or floating, not a half-full container.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on July 19, 2012, 01:25:19 AM
is The Master the name of his ship?

"All aboooard The Mast-ahhhh!"

i could totally hear that in a pta picture




Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on July 19, 2012, 10:10:42 AM
Awesome P.

In other news, The Daily fucking Beast read an early draft of the screenplay and wonders "Is ‘The Master’ Based on Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard?" (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/19/is-the-master-based-on-scientology-and-l-ron-hubbard.html) Ugh.

If this movie really is "the biggest fictional middle finger ever flown [Scientology's] way," nothing would make me happier.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on July 19, 2012, 10:32:26 AM
The Master page on Facebook has said that the official trailer will debut tonight online and on Entertainment Tonight, at 8pm Eastern Time. Dig it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on July 19, 2012, 05:57:13 PM
E-Meters and Liquid Schisms: Auditing the First Poster for The Master
By Dante A. Ciampaglia, Movieline

In the latest installment of One-Sheet Wonder, a column going deep on the best, worst, weirdest and other milestones of contemporary movie-poster art, Movieline takes a look at the new poster for Paul Thomas Anderson’s The Master. — Ed.

The Master, Paul Thomas Anderson’s enigmatic follow-up to There Will Be Blood, has been trailed by speculation and assumption for months — Is it about Scientology? Is Philip Seymour Hoffman portraying L. Ron Hubbard in a biopic capacity? — and every question has been met with denials and mystery. But each new marketing piece sheds more light on what we’ll get. After two beautiful, beguiling teaser trailers, a beautiful, beguiling one-sheet for Paul Thomas Anderson’s The Master debuted today over at Ain’t It Cool News. But like the clips before it, the poster tells us almost nothing about the movie. (Or do they?)

The first trailer was peppered with Scientology-ish personality questions, and this poster seems based on an abstraction of an e-meter, the device used in Scientology auditing.

The close-up of a barreled piece of silver metal seems like an unfinished soda can. But take a look at the tubes in this photo (pictured right) and it’s not a far leap to see the poster as a macro view of one of those e-meter tubes. But then what’s that dirty, flat-champagne-like liquid draining out of the poster (notice the drops at the top)?

It could reference Hubbard’s Naval background and his life on a yacht, and there’s a vague nautical element to the fonts. Or it could refer to the flushing of alcohol that comes with the Scientology auditing process. Whatever the case, it creates a nice refraction in the word “MASTER,” bisecting it and putting the halves increasingly off kilter as you go from left to right, a reflection of the schism hinted at in the second trailer (“Just say something that’s true!“).

This probably won’t be the only poster for The Master, but don’t expect a second one-sheet to bathe the plot in sunlight. There Will Be Blood had two domestic one-sheets, and while the teaser was far more engaging than the final art neither gave the game away. Time will tell whether The Master follows suit, but like with TWBB the mystery surrounding the film — encapsulated in this excellent first poster — makes the wait to see it interminable.

Dante A. Ciampaglia is a writer, editor and photographer in New York. You can find him on Twitter, Tumblr, and, occasionally, his blog.


http://movieline.com/2012/07/19/the-master-paul-thomas-anderson-scientology-poster/
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on July 19, 2012, 05:58:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pALMMIoxTzY
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on July 19, 2012, 06:29:56 PM
oh my god. the direction. cinematography. the score. the acting. all of it, flawless.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on July 19, 2012, 06:42:02 PM
Holy shit.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on July 19, 2012, 06:43:27 PM
For the new page:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pALMMIoxTzY
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Just Withnail on July 19, 2012, 06:51:59 PM
my! i love that wonder-invoking fifties score, Freddie stumbling into the enticing unknown. and when you expect it to go balls out crazy in the last third, it stays gentle, showcasing what might be the biggest threat the film presents: that Freddie finds peace and calm, but peace and calm based in lies.

Plenty of gorgeous visual continuity between this and TWBB. Freddie in center of frame extending arms like Daniel ordering the detonation. Freddie running whilst the camera speeds away from him on a rail like it speeds away from Daniel running towards the oil derrick.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on July 19, 2012, 07:02:14 PM
Where's Laura Dern, I wonder? Unless I missed her.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on July 19, 2012, 07:55:57 PM
Ah, stupid gutless youtube pulled it.

Watch it at shitty Yahoo Movies (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/the-master-2012/trailers/the-master-theatrical-trailer-30033391.html;_ylt=Arrn_IuG66EB1.bw3S.h_2ElH7UC;_ylu=X3oDMTFuajY5ZzVzBG1pdANMaXN0IFRyYWlsZXJzBHBrZwNpZC0zMDAzMzM5MQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDdmNfbmF2BHZlcgM-;_ylg=X3oDMTFtNDQycGxnBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdAN0cmFpbGVycwRwdANzZWN0aW9ucw--;_ylv=3) instead.


SIDE NOTE: I can't do a screencap at the moment, but if you look around the 0:45 mark in the trailer, the name of the boat ("ALETHIA") seems to be in the same font as "THE MASTER" on the poster.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: DocSportello on July 19, 2012, 08:15:59 PM
Totally awestruck. It makes you realize how little he put in the teasers. This radiates with a much fuller, richer aesthetic. This is above and beyond, once again. After all this time it`s finally on it`s way.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on July 19, 2012, 08:39:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP7Q4qWa0ek

It's here, too. This seriously looks incredible, even by PTA's standards..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: cinemanarchist on July 19, 2012, 08:44:56 PM
I have an inside source that told me that a couple weeks ago Paul was in Austin testing the sound for the Master in a theater at the Alamo Drafthouse. He had some guys with a soundboard set up testing levels etc...

A) I'm kicking myself for finding out too late to stalk him and force him into handshakes and pictures.
B) This particular location is where Fantastic Fest happens in September. There's a good chance this gets shown there.
C) So pissed that I don't have VIP badge for Fantastic Fest this year.

He's definitely been in Austin. A friend sent me this back in March.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/96g75f.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on July 19, 2012, 08:51:49 PM
That looks like Greenwood in the brown leather jacket.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Fernando on July 19, 2012, 08:57:10 PM
amazing.

like with cmbb this feels like an event, not just a film; just like Kubrick or right now Malick too, everyone is waiting for one of his.

and as far as trailers/teasers go this is it for me, I've seen enough.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 19, 2012, 09:44:41 PM
Can't bring myself to watch the trailer.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ono on July 19, 2012, 09:50:57 PM
Joaquin does the Barry Egan run about 2/3rd of the way into the trailer.  These things do not happen by chance.  That, only on the first pass.  Can't wait for what the seventeenth will reveal.  Until then~!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on July 19, 2012, 09:53:29 PM
Can't bring myself to watch the trailer.

I would say, brace yourself for it. I had to pause it like, ten times at first just to believe what I was seeing. If you've already watched the two teasers, there isn't too much more to be spoiled by here, but be prepared to start anticipating this movie more than any other in your entire life.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on July 19, 2012, 10:32:43 PM
I'm just so glad that I can always count on you guys to understand how I feel about PTA and his films.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on July 19, 2012, 10:37:29 PM
I remember when it was announced that Elswit wasn't going to be on this,  I felt kinda worried just because it was the unknown.  However, my worries are now non existent, the film looks gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on July 19, 2012, 10:51:52 PM
that wins best pic. the elements cant be denied this time no matter how gutless the academy feels like being.

such a handsomelooking thing that Massah.

i dont know what else to say i'm near a wine coma.

FK.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on July 19, 2012, 10:57:33 PM
Reading these comments makes it that much harder not to watch it...I NEED SOME STILLS AT LEAST.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on July 19, 2012, 11:01:14 PM
I'm just so glad that I can always count on you guys to understand how I feel about PTA and his films.

srsly. i got no one else in real life. no matter how hard i try. though more are responding to this one.

i won my wife over with meeting pt & ddl during cherems screenings but its still not the same as you guys.

aaaaaaaaaawwwwwwww (。♥‿♥。)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on July 19, 2012, 11:15:11 PM
Reading these comments makes it that much harder not to watch it...I NEED SOME STILLS AT LEAST.

check out Kellen's av

EDIT: oops! not a still. SPOILER!!!! DON'T LOOK!


that wins best pic. the elements cant be denied this time no matter how gutless the academy feels like being.

I can hear the dumb speculation already "will THE MASTER UNCHAIN DJANGO?" ugh..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 19, 2012, 11:18:20 PM
I already adblocked Kellen's avatar. Don't take it personally.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on July 19, 2012, 11:18:33 PM
I can hear the dumb speculation already "will THE MASTER UNCHAIN DJANGO?" ugh..

If some publication doesn't use that exact headline in the period leading up the Academy Awards, I will eat a hat.  Well, not a hat, maybe a fish.  Not A FISH, but some fish.  I'll eat some fish if that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on July 19, 2012, 11:24:08 PM
Many people have been saying how The Master should be winning the Oscar this year, but if this movie is made right, with PTA's touch, it shouldn't win and Lincoln will. That's just the Academy being the Academy. I'd probably take The Master over Lincoln any day (obviously I'm talking blindly...Lincoln will probably be epic in it's own right), but the Academy has their own rigid requirements that PTA's fare usually doesn't fit into. A lot of the time the best movies that stand the test of time, becoming living/breathing classic works of art, don't win...Kubrick is an obvious example.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Brando on July 19, 2012, 11:32:00 PM
It's just so pretty.

Trailer Spoiler

The seen with Joaquin and the guy with the tie was great/crazy.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 19, 2012, 11:34:45 PM
Though nominations would be nice, I'm also honestly indifferent about the film winning any Oscars and don't expect it. General widespread recognition is good enough. And we pretty much got that with CMBB.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pozer on July 19, 2012, 11:34:45 PM
fuckin Lincoln.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on July 19, 2012, 11:48:17 PM
will LINCOLN force THE MASTER to UNCHAIN DJANGO?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on July 20, 2012, 02:08:50 AM
I just saw the 1st full trailer. Just once.   :bravo:  wow at those Great shots! that Romanian dude is probably Paul's new BFF.
 I can see the underlying humor the film's going to have , probably more than CMBB and that's awesome. alot of funny awkward shots in the trailer if you ask me. PT seems to love those moments as do I.

Here's the sons that plays in the end of the trailer BTW. Fits in nice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjDqMftHbKI
 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on July 20, 2012, 02:42:01 AM
Cigs usually puts up a link to some high quality stills from the trailer, but didn't do it this time.

Here's some still beauty to chew on:

http://thefilmstage.com/news/study-paul-thomas-andersons-the-master-with-over-90-enthralling-high-resolution-stills/
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on July 20, 2012, 09:59:31 AM
I just saw it. Looks even more epic that I expected. This is a big, big film. Anticipation just got kicked up another mega notch. Might have to drive down to Austin to see this with my Xixax peeps.

P, Mod: waiting for you guys to chime in cos all I have is hyperbole.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: tpfkabi on July 20, 2012, 10:04:07 AM
That looks like Greenwood in the brown leather jacket.

Yeah, and it looks like his brother, Colin, to the right of Paul. Radiohead was touring Texas in early March.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on July 20, 2012, 10:45:11 AM
Oh yes, that's right. I remember hearing that PTA was in town working with Greenwood on finishing up the score while Radiohead had a couple of nights of playing here. That makes much more sense now.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on July 20, 2012, 11:34:12 AM
I have no words.

Has everyone weighed in yet? P? RK? Mod?

JB I think you should just give in and watch it.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: SeanMalloy on July 20, 2012, 11:45:18 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7gx1opWcd1qino4xo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on July 20, 2012, 11:55:59 AM
anyone know what Joaquin was saying there? That scene alone makes me want to re-read the script
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on July 20, 2012, 01:26:40 PM
I have no words. Beyond excited.

Has everyone weighed in yet? P? RK? Mod?

JB I think you should just give in and watch it.

I've seen the trailer and I don't recommend watching it.

I don't feel any more excited than I did after the two teasers and a poster, maybe my excitement has reached a plateau but after seeing the trailer i just feel I've seen some out of context dialogue and shots that for the most part just add fodder to the Scientology haters. I think the trailer is less cohesive than the other marketing material we've seen, which is of course necessarily the case when you attempt to show a whole film in two and a half minutes.

I won't be doing an analysis on it, but I am planning to start a separate thread for serious discussion on the available material.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on July 21, 2012, 12:44:43 AM
anyone know what Joaquin was saying there?

Whoever captioned the screenshot did.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7gx1opWcd1qino4xo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I am Schmi on July 21, 2012, 07:24:24 AM
Such a fantastic trailer, the film is gorgeous!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on July 21, 2012, 10:13:30 AM
anyone know what Joaquin was saying there?

Whoever captioned the screenshot did.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7gx1opWcd1qino4xo1_500.jpg)

Oh!  :doh: I'm a dunce. I still have to go back and figure out the context of that, though.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on July 21, 2012, 10:26:16 AM
I wrote up a big piece on "The Master" trailer for The Playlist.
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/the-basis-of-a-cult-diving-deep-into-the-master-trailer-20120721#.UArDYkSEP8A

It's probably nothing that Xixax-ers don't know already but you should read it anyway because Xixax makes a cameo! (thanks Polka!) It's the circle of life.

If there's anything interesting/major I missed, let me know (kindly plz) and I can add in.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on July 21, 2012, 12:52:10 PM
anyone know what Joaquin was saying there?

Whoever captioned the screenshot did.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7gx1opWcd1qino4xo1_500.jpg)

Oh!  :doh: I'm a dunce. I still have to go back and figure out the context of that, though.

Seems like the context is that he's working at a department store as a family portrait photographer. He's either taking too long or otherwise being weird and making the costumers uncomfortable and the store manager is getting on his case about it, and Freddie goes a little nuts.

And huzzah! on the XIXAX shoutout on The Playlist.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on July 21, 2012, 12:58:01 PM
^ well, thanks for saving me the trouble. I'm still gonna give it a once over before I see it in the theater. You've read the script, correct? If not, that was very astute of you.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on July 21, 2012, 01:03:16 PM
Great piece, mod. Remind to never read the comments section on a Playlist article again, though. The parents' basement is strong in this one...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on July 21, 2012, 01:41:34 PM
^ well, thanks for saving me the trouble. I'm still gonna give it a once over before I see it in the theater. You've read the script, correct? If not, that was very astute of you.

It's like two years ago that I read the script, and I can't really remember anything about it, and it seems like a lot has changed. So this is not something I specifically recall, but it's based on 1. we see Freddie taking the picture of the kids and it looks like he's a family portrait guy, like they have or used to have at department stores. 2. the guy with the tie looks like a manager-type person, and his suit makes him look like an old-time department store manager person to me. 3. You CAN hear Freddie saying "You don't understand, I just want to get the lighting right."

I'd think that with a department store portrait studio, and especially photographing kids, they'd want you to just take a picture and move on to the next family or whatever. If, say, Freddie was taking 10 pictures and fussing with this and that and the kids were getting antsy, the manager would want to have a word with him.

That's all a guess though. I don't remember anything like that happening in the script, but my memory is vague. So consider it as a guess and not as a spoiler.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on July 21, 2012, 02:44:47 PM
Things to look forward to now (other than the fucking film):

1. Charlie Rose interview with PTA/PSH/JP

2. ASC article with Mihai/PTA/Fisk

=)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on July 21, 2012, 02:51:19 PM
...PTA saying ANYTHING about the film
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on July 21, 2012, 05:34:09 PM
(https://p.twimg.com/AyVL2zZCQAAmB1E.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on July 21, 2012, 05:54:16 PM
close, but no cigar
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 22, 2012, 12:09:24 AM
Yes, not nearly enough greying neckbeard.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on July 22, 2012, 06:32:06 PM
you think he shaved his head for this one? in which case...not him.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on July 23, 2012, 01:23:59 AM
well spotted 72teeth, that's him
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on July 23, 2012, 02:01:34 AM
It ain't him. I will bet all my marbles on it. It looks vaguely like him, but not really all that much like him when you look close.

I'm more excited about bow-tied Kevin J O'Connor right in front of him.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on July 23, 2012, 02:30:35 AM
that is pta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ1O1vb9AUU#t=1m24s)... come on!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 23, 2012, 02:51:27 AM
I'm also firmly in the "not him" camp.

Water or vodka?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on July 23, 2012, 03:21:39 AM
vodka
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on July 23, 2012, 08:01:07 AM
Hello, Xixax!

I'm the one who made and sent that picture to "CigsandRedVines" Twitter (https://twitter.com/cigsandredvines)   a couple days ago... They said they're very sure is NOT him but to me it totally looks like Paul.


Look at this other picture I made:

https://twitter.com/Tyler23Durden/status/227195290946506753/photo/1/large


If it ain't him then Paul has a twin....  (Unintentional CMBB Reference)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on July 23, 2012, 08:49:18 AM
look at this higher resolution version of the pic. He's too young and handsome to be him.

(http://www.indiewire.com/static/dims4/INDIEWIRE/f849a61/4102462740/thumbnail/680x478/http://d1oi7t5trwfj5d.cloudfront.net/3d/b942d0d29f11e1a00322000a1d0930/file/themaster.jpg)

That's not a dude with 3 screaming kids at home.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on July 23, 2012, 08:58:50 AM
Maybe he looks "too handsome" because he shaved and got a 50's style hairdo for that scene. Plus the suit.

But you can't deny it's the same face, the same nose, same eyes and same forehead.  But whatever, guess we'll have to wait until October to find out if it's really him or not. 

But :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phv5ZMRVn4w


ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on July 23, 2012, 09:16:50 AM
News Round-Up on Cigs & Vines:
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/07/diving-deep-into-master-trailer-megan.html

Deep Dive into the trailer
Megan Ellison says the film "changed her life"
Kirsten Dunst! Rian Johnson! Damon Lindelof!
"The finished film was screened for League weeks ago. It is already booked to play Fantastic Fest. Take that to the bank."
Daily Beast fishes for Scientology comparisons
and more!

The main reason I feel like it's not PTA is because it would be super distracting for him to be in an elevator with all of his entire principal cast like "Hi, look at me!" and it would totally take you out of the movie. There is definitely a resemblance though.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on July 23, 2012, 09:32:37 AM
Eagle eyed newb, you had me at:

CMBB

You guys are once again raising up a stink over an insignificant issue.. the real question we need to be asking ourselves in that elevator shot is: who farted?

I think that's what the scene will be about.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on July 23, 2012, 09:49:33 AM
who farted?

Paul.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on July 23, 2012, 09:56:19 AM
i spotted Bruno Mars' twin on the far left, too.

(http://www.indiewire.com/static/dims4/INDIEWIRE/f849a61/4102462740/thumbnail/680x478/http://d1oi7t5trwfj5d.cloudfront.net/3d/b942d0d29f11e1a00322000a1d0930/file/themaster.jpg)


Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on July 23, 2012, 10:00:51 AM
Yeah..... and I see Johnny Cash on the right.

And I'm pretty sure that's Truman Capote in the middle.

Weird group of people to put together in an elevator... But that's why Paul is a Genius.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on July 23, 2012, 10:39:09 AM
if you look really close behind the master himself, you'll notice an albino Matt Damon
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on July 23, 2012, 10:48:47 AM
Yeah, It's uncanny....

(http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2010/4/11/129155056167329518.jpg)

He looks like Matt Damon with Downs...


But at least he doesn't look like this Matt Damon:

(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/54000/Matt-Damon-as-Woman-54447.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: DocSportello on July 23, 2012, 03:09:08 PM
Now let us all join hands and sing our MASTER, PSH a great big HAAAAAAPPPPY BIIIIRTHDAAAAAY! The old chum is 45 today.


http://www.1happybirthday.com/play_song.php?name=Phil (http://www.1happybirthday.com/play_song.php?name=Phil)



(http://www.hggirlonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Philip-Seymour-Hoffman-.jpg)



Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 23, 2012, 03:26:28 PM
Wow, he seems a lot older than 45.


(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTU1MjAwODc3OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODYyOTUxMg@@._V1._SX214_CR0,0,214,314_.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on July 23, 2012, 03:30:23 PM
This is page 82, btw.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on July 23, 2012, 03:32:49 PM
This is page 82, btw.



Well then....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7As_q6PSKSM 

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: DocSportello on July 23, 2012, 04:14:02 PM
This is page 82, btw.

Sorry dude. It's just he's The Master, and it's his birthday. It's The Master thread and I errr, ummm....whatever. I'll fuck off, btw.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on July 23, 2012, 05:00:28 PM
Mod's post wasn't in reference to nor an admonishment of yours.  He was just pointing out the PTA-relevant milestone of the thread being on its 82nd page.  This is a perfectly reasonable place to post about PSH's birthday.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: DocSportello on July 23, 2012, 05:29:14 PM
...and I now see that was perfectly clear all along.  :doh:  :oops:

thanks polka

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on July 23, 2012, 05:33:15 PM
That's cool, I'm putting out fires left and right today.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Just Withnail on July 23, 2012, 06:10:49 PM
The sheer ridiculousness of this that page is worth it being 82, but it really lacks some of the gravitas and sublimity of a good frog rain.

EDIT: Goddammit.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: idk on July 23, 2012, 06:55:18 PM
water & not him
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on July 24, 2012, 09:53:45 AM
"The Master" not playing TIFF.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on July 26, 2012, 09:18:19 AM
no Venice either...

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-master-not-playing-venice-or-tiff.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on July 27, 2012, 03:07:37 PM
Paul Thomas Anderson’s The Master Sets Awards-Season Release Date

At long last, Paul Thomas Anderson’s psuedo-Scientology drama has a release date! As breathlessly reported by Variety’s Jeff Sneider via Twitter: “Ladies and gentlemen, The Master primed for limited release on Sept. 14, will expand the following weekend!” The Weinstein Co. will release in prime awards season, rolling the Philip Seymour Hoffman-starrer to wide release on September 21. The bad news for Austin, Texas film geeks: The timing seems to contradict speculation that Anderson’s hotly anticipated pic would debut at Fantastic Fest, which runs September 20-27. [Variety]
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on July 27, 2012, 03:29:16 PM
Paul Thomas Anderson’s The Master Sets Awards-Season Release Date

At long last, Paul Thomas Anderson’s psuedo-Scientology drama has a release date! As breathlessly reported by Variety’s Jeff Sneider via Twitter: “Ladies and gentlemen, The Master primed for limited release on Sept. 14, will expand the following weekend!” The Weinstein Co. will release in prime awards season, rolling the Philip Seymour Hoffman-starrer to wide release on September 21. The bad news for Austin, Texas film geeks: The timing seems to contradict speculation that Anderson’s hotly anticipated pic would debut at Fantastic Fest, which runs September 20-27. [Variety]

Shit, I thought official release date was October 12.... So, it's getting here sooner? FUCK YEAH. Only 2 more months to go...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 27, 2012, 04:59:32 PM
Nice! The other release date was announced by Megan Ellison, so I'm guessing that was the "safe" date, and the Weinsteins were able to get it out sooner.

It's so strange to have this level of affection for the Weinsteins, but there it is.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on July 27, 2012, 06:29:25 PM
Xixax, Now you guys need to Update that countdown thingy...

Seeing "2 Months, 15 days, 22 hours remaining..." is seriously triggering my OCD.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 27, 2012, 06:56:30 PM
Updated. I used 9/21.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on July 27, 2012, 07:05:09 PM
Updated. I used 9/21.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQQhBp40Ml4
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: B.C. Long on July 28, 2012, 12:36:04 AM
Does anyone know whether there will be an early showing at the Castro Theatre in San Francisco like there was for TWBB?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on July 28, 2012, 12:56:28 AM
Does anyone know whether there will be an early showing at the Castro Theatre in San Francisco like there was for TWBB?

Directed by Paul Thomas Anderson, The Master will open exclusively in New York and Los Angeles before expanding nationwide on Sept. 21. It's likely that the movie will make a stop at the Toronto Film Festival to boost its theatrical launch (the festival gets underway Sept. 6).
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on July 28, 2012, 01:03:04 AM
Weinstein, who has dominated awards season the past two years with Best Picture wins for "The King’s Speech" and "The Artist," promises to be well-represented at the Oscars again in 2013. "Django Unchained" opens on Christmas, and in October his company will release Paul Thomas Anderson’s much-anticipated follow up to 2007’s "There Will Be Blood." The new film, titled "The Master" and starring Philip Seymour Hoffman, Joaquin Phoenix and Amy Adams, offers a thinly fictionalized portrait of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.

In keeping with the party line, Weinstein declined to confirm the Scientology connection. "Paul says to me the movie is about a journey for soldiers after World War II – my own dad was one of those guys – and, you know, one of the things that happens to this soldier is he goes to a cult," he said. "Look, I mean, whatever, people are going to draw their own conclusions, and right now there are heated conclusions, and the Tom and Katie situation has exacerbated that. It’s going to be a controversial movie. But it’s a tour de force. I hope what doesn’t get lost is how wonderful the filmmaking is."

Asked if there were still a chance "The Master" could make its debut at the Toronto International Film Festival, which kicks off on September 5, Weinstein said it depends on whether Anderson could prepare a 70-millimeter print in time. "He’s a filmmaker, not a video filmmaker, and I really hope that doesn’t get lost in the controversy either. He’s really trying to preserve a lost art." Another Weinstein film and early Oscar favorite, David O. Russell's "The Silver Linings Playbook," is set to premiere at the festival.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/07/26/harvey-weinstein-obama-romney-guns_n_1706394.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 28, 2012, 12:21:52 PM
Hello, first time posting here. sorry if this has been pointed out already but i noticed this link between the new trailer and the passenger, in the line 'what are you running from'-  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5d0fHAocNM - thought it was kind of interesting,

Welcome!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 28, 2012, 12:24:33 PM
It is no secret that PTA gets inspired by other movies to make his own . . . Yet he still has the most original and unique voice in American Cinema at the moment.

I tend to feel the same way. Whenever I go back to PTA's source material, I'm always underwhelmed.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on July 28, 2012, 01:53:55 PM
Woah.

I just thought about what it would have been like if PTA was around and worked with Nicholson in his prime.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: 72teeth on July 29, 2012, 02:00:38 AM
that PSH back looks Punch-Drunky
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: DocSportello on July 29, 2012, 07:55:03 PM
So I was researching CMBB's old release info because I was hoping to make an educated guess as to what we can expect for The Master's limited release and according to this http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=therewillbeblood.htm (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=therewillbeblood.htm) CMBB was only showing at two theaters upon it's initial limited release, then moved to 885 screens a month later? Would you guys expect a similar course for The Master?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on July 30, 2012, 01:37:38 AM
Something like that, yes. It will spend a few weeks slowly expanding but still within a small number of theaters in major cities, before a proper wide release. It's been the same with Punch Drunk Love and Magnolia--both of those opened on less than 10 screens in LA/NY. I didn't know about Boogie Nights until after it came out, so I can't remember how that opened.

The LA/NY opening weekend is confirmed, with a vague "expanding" in the second weekend. I expect that it will eventually play on about as many screens as There Will Be Blood did over the course of its run.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on July 30, 2012, 11:28:13 AM
Wtf? The Master was just confirmed for the Venice Film Festival: http://dlvr.it/1ws91t
I thought the organizer confirmed it was definitely not on their lineup? Weird
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on July 30, 2012, 11:32:10 AM
Wtf? The Master was just confirmed for the Venice Film Festival: http://dlvr.it/1ws91t
I thought the organizer confirmed it was definitely not on their lineup? Weird


They got the New Terrence Malick movie and "The Master"!?!?!?!......

*Books Flight to Venice*
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on July 30, 2012, 11:37:44 AM
I may or may not prostitute myself to afford going to Venice this year. It's PTA, Malick AND De Palma (yep, I'm one of those guys who enjoys even his "bad" movies)!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on July 30, 2012, 11:57:25 AM
I wish I could go :yabbse-angry:

Also if anyone in this forum is from Australia, and knows when there is a release date/who's distributing The Master, please let me know! Thanks
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: DocSportello on July 30, 2012, 04:16:52 PM
Maybe Megan Ellison will swoop in and put up the funding for all of our plane tickets to Venice.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on July 30, 2012, 04:31:55 PM
Maybe Megan Ellison will swoop in and put up the funding for all of our plane tickets to Venice.

I know you're trying to Calm me down but JUST SAY SOMETHING THAT'S TRUE!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on July 31, 2012, 01:50:48 AM
Also if anyone in this forum is from Australia, and knows when there is a release date/who's distributing The Master, please let me know! Thanks

Not many of us around here anymore, and nope got no fuggin idea.. hopefully some film festival picks it up, that'd be your best bet.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on July 31, 2012, 03:43:13 AM
Also if anyone in this forum is from Australia, and knows when there is a release date/who's distributing The Master, please let me know! Thanks

Not many of us around here anymore, and nope got no fuggin idea.. hopefully some film festival picks it up, that'd be your best bet.

Hey Pubrick, Nice to meet you, I'm new here on Xixax.
Sydney Film Festival has already passed, and Melbourne International Film Festival which I will be attending, is starting this Friday and isn't showing the film (this is pretty inevitable, no chance they would world premiere The Master at MIFF)
I have no idea which other festivals that might screen The Master

I'm just so scared that they're going to deploy the same tactic as they did with There Will Be Blood (US Release: 26 December 2007, AU Release: 9 February 2008)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 01, 2012, 07:28:29 PM
GUIDE TO 70MM:

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/08/cigarettes-red-vines-presents-guide-to_1.html



Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on August 01, 2012, 11:44:25 PM
The Weinstein Company has released 19 beautiful, high-resolution new stills from The Master. (http://thefilmstage.com/news/the-master-teaches-in-19-official-stills-for-paul-thomas-andersons-highly-anticipated-drama/)

i'm just posting the link and not the photos in case any of you don't want to see them. click them if you wish, though. they're really gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 01, 2012, 11:53:46 PM
The Weinstein Company has released 19 beautiful, high-resolution new stills from The Master. (http://thefilmstage.com/news/the-master-teaches-in-19-official-stills-for-paul-thomas-andersons-highly-anticipated-drama/)

i'm just posting the link and not the photos in case any of you don't want to see them. click them if you wish, though. they're really gorgeous.

AMAZING!...

But that's it, I'm not watching no more footage and no more pictures...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 02, 2012, 12:25:44 AM
Must... resist...

So far so good.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on August 02, 2012, 12:37:15 AM
Those stills are a total gamechanger.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on August 02, 2012, 12:57:37 AM
Yep they're definitely a game changer, just check out what they did to my desktop...
Link to Spoilery Picture we just said we shouldn't post (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m845r0E7H81rcxkteo1_1280.png)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: squints on August 02, 2012, 01:11:47 AM
This (http://thefilmstage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/The_Master_Paul_Thomas_Anderson15.jpg) one in particular is my favorite.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 02, 2012, 07:38:41 AM
Link to Spoilery Picture we just said we shouldn't post (http://thefilmstage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/The_Master_Paul_Thomas_Anderson01.jpeg)



ENUFF SAID
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on August 02, 2012, 09:29:47 AM
Why don't we just post all of them at once and get it over with.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: velociraptor on August 02, 2012, 01:49:28 PM
Link to Spoilery Picture we just said we shouldn't post (http://thefilmstage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/The_Master_Paul_Thomas_Anderson07.jpeg)

This is pretty wonderful.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 02, 2012, 02:13:26 PM
(https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/full/629237778.png?key=517536&Expires=1344058277&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=qxiwf56cdaGIPUAYzop6~KDML90X88vS5FwCwO0EVw8zc8mNtIQn7s7U~jNRIUPzclo2O-BbIOgI3ZsVHYBiAoOJX4g-KExCWIffW72UsIg5wJOtcfzdYg1wx0yjezINInD9k~paPifi9OouHv4lWneX158Bd5sUXeci9SZbytA_)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on August 02, 2012, 02:56:26 PM
does anyone know why philip seymour hoffman rides a motorcycle?

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5265/5687520721_80165d254b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 02, 2012, 03:21:29 PM
wow thats amazing, I didn't see that.

does anyone know why philip seymour hoffman rides a motorcycle? that seemed a bit random in the trailer. is it something about achieving mental freedom?

Because just like Howard Hughes, L. Ron Hubbard liked the desert... He spent sometime (Again, just like Hughes) riding bikes in the desert.

"I like the desert, is clean" - Howard Hughes.


My source: Watching The aviator like a billion times....
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on August 02, 2012, 06:14:00 PM
I am planning to start a separate thread for serious discussion on the available material.

now would be as good a time as any


I'll do that as soon as I get home.. sigh, eight hours from now.

This place is starting to feel like imdb.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 02, 2012, 06:49:09 PM
I just watched "Lost in Translation" AGAIN, and I think I just found a couple more references.... 


The shot of everybody in the elevator looks like the shot of Bill Murray with all the japanese guys.

(http://fareastmvmt.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/lost-in-translation-2003-bill-murray-pic-4.jpg?w=600)



And the PSH photoshoot looks inspired by the Bill Murray photoshoot.  (Only good picture I could find, but watch the movie and you'll see the similarities)

(http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/LOST_IN_TRANSLATION-2.jpg)



Maybe I'm reaching and I just think it looks like THE MASTER because I watch the trailer 15 times a day. But here PTA says he really loved "Lost in translation", so I don't think these "references" are far-fetched or coincidental.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAIID6DCDeY 

At 8:13 he talks about it.... and YES, THAT IS MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL and I UPLOADED THAT VIDEO. Subscribe  :yabbse-grin:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 03, 2012, 11:16:17 AM
Because just like Howard Hughes, L. Ron Hubbard liked the dessert... He spent sometime (Again, just like Hughes) riding bikes in the desert.

"I like the dessert, is clean" - Howard Hughes.

"I like the dessert, is delicious." - Squints.


I was really really Hungry...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: children with angels on August 03, 2012, 03:03:05 PM
wow thats amazing, I didn't see that.

does anyone know why philip seymour hoffman rides a motorcycle? that seemed a bit random in the trailer. is it something about achieving mental freedom?

Because just like Howard Hughes, L. Ron Hubbard liked the desert... He spent sometime (Again, just like Hughes) riding bikes in the desert.

Yes, that's what I figured too; on that front, it also immediately brought to mind Melvin and Howard, which I believe is one of PTA's favourites.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 03, 2012, 03:15:15 PM
wow thats amazing, I didn't see that.

does anyone know why philip seymour hoffman rides a motorcycle? that seemed a bit random in the trailer. is it something about achieving mental freedom?

Because just like Howard Hughes, L. Ron Hubbard liked the desert... He spent sometime (Again, just like Hughes) riding bikes in the desert.

Yes, that's what I figured too; on that front, it also immediately brought to mind Melvin and Howard, which I believe is one of PTA's favourites.


Yeah... We've already talked about the "Melvin and Howard" references..

(https://p.twimg.com/Ay6VC_kCcAAkyWi.jpg)


There's also so much HARD EIGHT and BOOGIE NIGHTS in that movie... So many shots that PTA "borrowed". 


I don't know who's in charge here but I propose that we start a "Xixax References/Connections" thread. Kinda like IMDB connections but BETTER, because IMDB connections fucking SUCKS. I've sent a ton of references and they NEVER post them, even if they are obvious.

Like the way BOOGIE NIGHTS begins like 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY or how Matt Damon's and Dicaprio's police training in THE DEPARTED is an exact replica of Jodie Foster's training in SILENCE OF THE LAMBS (Literally shot by shot, check it out). 

So, what do you guys say if we compile all the references we got for THE MASTER and put it all together in a thread specifically for that? 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: everythingtarantino on August 03, 2012, 04:31:19 PM
nah
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on August 03, 2012, 05:36:55 PM
We need your help.

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/08/help-pta-show-master-in-70mm-in-your.html#comment-form

#THEMASTER70MM
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Brando on August 03, 2012, 05:42:51 PM
After reading the newest post on Cigs and Redvines about the possibility of The Master being screened at select theaters with 70 mm projectors, I found this site. (http://www.redballoon.net/current70mmus.html (http://www.redballoon.net/current70mmus.html)) It's supposedly a list of theaters in the US with projectors that can play 70mm 5perf film.  Hopefully this accurate and Hopefully the film plays near you at one of these theaters.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on August 03, 2012, 06:25:48 PM
So, what do you guys say if we compile all the references we got for THE MASTER and put it all together in a thread specifically for that?

That's fine. AFTER the film is released. This way we can separate it from this thread and not be so spoilerful for those who have to see it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 03, 2012, 07:00:50 PM
So, what do you guys say if we compile all the references we got for THE MASTER and put it all together in a thread specifically for that?

That's fine. AFTER the film is released. This way we can separate it from this thread and not be so spoilerful for those who have to see it.

Yeah, that's why I said it. I feel like all these references and stuff might bother some people. So it's best to separate them from the thread.

BTW I got 2 more (NEW and OBSCURE) references that I just found today (I've been watching nothing but European movies for the last 2 fucking weeks  :yabbse-thumbup:).  I'll save every reference I find and I'll start posting them once we've all seen the film.


But at least let's indulge in some old references shall we...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsCoaVJtjv8

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on August 03, 2012, 07:19:44 PM
I'm seriously bummed that the creator of that TWBB analysis preview didn't follow through...what a tease.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on August 03, 2012, 07:29:23 PM
wow thats amazing, I didn't see that.

does anyone know why philip seymour hoffman rides a motorcycle? that seemed a bit random in the trailer. is it something about achieving mental freedom?

Because just like Howard Hughes, L. Ron Hubbard liked the desert... He spent sometime (Again, just like Hughes) riding bikes in the desert.

Yes, that's what I figured too; on that front, it also immediately brought to mind Melvin and Howard, which I believe is one of PTA's favourites.


Yeah... We've already talked about the "Melvin and Howard" references..

(https://p.twimg.com/Ay6VC_kCcAAkyWi.jpg)


There's also so much HARD EIGHT and BOOGIE NIGHTS in that movie... So many shots that PTA "borrowed". 


I don't know who's in charge here but I propose that we start a "Xixax References/Connections" thread. Kinda like IMDB connections but BETTER, because IMDB connections fucking SUCKS. I've sent a ton of references and they NEVER post them, even if they are obvious.

Like the way BOOGIE NIGHTS begins like 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY

The way Boogie Nights begins like 2001: A Space Odyssey.. How so?
I always felt that There Will Be Blood began like 2001: A Space Odyssey, as everyone knows in both films not a word is spoken for a very long time, but the key comparison is that just as the Apes find their "tool" so does Daniel Plainview (He draws the pulley system on the notepad), Just as 2001: A Space Odyssey's opening depicts the turning point for humanity, TWBB's opening the turn of the century for prospectors, so on so forth

Your references are a treat InTylerWeTrust, good digging!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 03, 2012, 07:49:10 PM

The way Boogie Nights begins like 2001: A Space Odyssey.. How so?


Both movies begin with a BLACK SCREEN (that lasts a while) and Eerie mysterious music playing.... and then there's an explosion of audio and visuals. I actually think it's pretty obvious PTA was referencing Kubrick.

But yeah those 15 minutes of silence at the beginning of TWBB are obviously inspired by the beginning of "2001"


A couple more BOOGIE NIGHTS references:

That shot when Burt Reynolds is reading the article about Dirk and the Camera like "flies" INTO the magazine. It's inspired by a shot in De Palma's "BODY DOUBLE".

Also that scene of Don Cheadle at the bank going "I'm an actor! I'm an actor!" is also "borrowed" from BODY DOUBLE.  Also the way Little Bill finds his wife having sex with someone else is inspired by BODY DOUBLE. Seriously, go check that movie out. It's not De Palma's best but it has lots of BOOGIE NIGHTS references.

Another De Palma reference in BN, is the opening scene. The way the camera moves around the club and the music that plays seems to be mimicking the "Strip club scene" (The scene where Pacino finds out his girl is stripping at a club and Cheryl Linn's "Got to be real" plays) in Carlito's way.

Shit, that's probably where Paul got the idea of casting LUIS GUZMAN as "Maurice". 


EDIT:  LOL, I just realized we're thread-Jackin' like a motherfucker... We really need to take this somewhere else  :ponder:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on August 03, 2012, 08:58:32 PM
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Your references are a treat InTylerWeTrust, good digging!

I feel the same. Obviously some spoilers are kind of sucking for me since I'm abstaining from all trailers. But I'm interested for sure. It's gonna be fun once we all see the film!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on August 04, 2012, 12:03:15 AM
I butchered some of the most revelatory posts out of this thread and made a new place where we can seriously discuss some themes and references ..

http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=12254.0

The reasoning behind it is excellent about the meaning of all these things. the marketing material is already OVERFLOWING with fodder for analysis.. are we just fanboys or are there only a few of us who are feeling PTA's wavelength a bit stronger than others.

I believe PTA has total control over the material released so far and so it is fair game to talk about the ideas he wants to get across before the movie comes out. For this reason discussion about the script is not allowed, that is not canon.

My other hope for this place is a bit more ambitious.. So bear with me as i rant a little.. As much as i hate name dropping this dude it's the only name anyone here seems to recognise in terms of serious discussion: basically, WE should be the Rob Agers of PTA. Who else is better suited? Right now we're at risk of becoming more like the Harry Knowles. If we can birth one filmmaker who's doing it big (Ghostboy) why can't we at least use our knowledge of PTA to enlighten the webs on our favourite subject now that we'll be getting more traffic? And why wait until PTA is a rotting corpse to start seriously analysing his work? it doesn't have to be boring like a pretentious film study essay, it can be fun too.

and it only enhances everyone's appreciation for the films
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on August 04, 2012, 01:44:23 AM
OH MY GOD!
First public screening of Paul Thomas Anderson's 'The Master' happening right now in Santa Monica!
http://www.hitfix.com/in-contention/first-public-screening-of-paul-thomas-andersons-the-master-happening-right-now-in-santa-monica

"Anyone who happened to be on hand at the Aero Theatre in Santa Monica this evening for the American Cinematheque unveiling of a new DCP of Stanley Kubrick's "The Shining" was treated to quite the exciting surprise: the first public screening of Paul Thomas Anderson's "The Master."

A source at the event tells me that, prior to the screening, personnel announced that there would be a "secret screening" following the event and that anyone who'd like to stay was more than welcome. When the lights came up after the closing credits of Kubrick's icy horror staple, attendees were told the secret film was Anderson's much anticipated opus (which will screen at the Toronto, Venice and maybe Telluride and Fantastic Fest film festivals next month).

The film is being shown in 70mm, the director's preferred format of exhibition for "The Master" and one that has reportedly caused issues in lining up both commercial and festival exhibition. Anderson is in attendance (along with wife Maya Rudolph).
Recently there has been a lot of activity around Anderson's film, which tackles (though not explicitly) L. Ron Hubbard and the rise of Scientology. After landing slots at the previously mentioned Venice and Toronto film festivals, The Weinstein Company pulled the release date of the film up to September 14.

Gotta love the guy. He doesn't go the traditional route. Popping the film on unsuspecting cinema lovers (Who else would be at a Cinematheque screening of "The Shining?") is pure PTA.

So here's to you lucky folks seated in the Aero right now soaking up the latest from one of the best working filmmakers today. It makes me feel even worse that I'm way over here in some Holiday Inn north of Mobile, Alabama. I'll try to get some thoughts on the film out of my source after the screening.

Meanwhile, do what you can to help Anderson exhibit the film in 70mm. "Definitive P.T. Anderson resource" Cigarettes & Red Vines has some ideas. I've had the opportunity to see a few films in the format in my time and it really is glorious. I can't wait to see what he's done with it.

"The Master" opens September 14."


So Jealous/Envious Right Now!!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on August 04, 2012, 02:35:50 AM
When the lights came up after the closing credits of Kubrick's icy horror staple, attendees were told the secret film was Anderson's much anticipated opus



THAT'S A BOLD STATEMENT

(http://www.eric-stoltz.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/John-Travolta-and-Eric-Stoltz-in-Pulp-Fiction.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on August 04, 2012, 02:55:58 AM
So predictable..
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on August 04, 2012, 03:19:49 AM
Update!
Some first reactions on Twitter!
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m881peIqiS1rcxkteo1_1280.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m881peIqiS1rcxkteo2_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m881xyuYFM1rcxkteo1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8823yAAdp1rcxkteo1_1280.png)

 :)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on August 04, 2012, 05:32:05 AM
I was THINKING ABOUT GOING to see The Shining there tonight. I LEGITIMATELY THOUGHT ABOUT IT...that thought is completely fucking me over at the moment. PTA seriously is so awesome for doing that. What lucky souls.



No...


(is it just me, or are those sneak peak reviews sort of anti-climactic?)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on August 04, 2012, 05:59:16 AM
No...

I'm picturing the 'No..' said when Daniel Plainview regains consciousness after his little tumble, and quite frankly that's probably the only reaction appropriate, I could imagine how shitty it must feel like man
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on August 04, 2012, 06:25:07 AM
!!! You pretty much read right through my "No..." Heywood. Probably one of the greatest first utterances from a character in film history.

It's just unfair. For music, we get to experience the musical experience with the artist when we go to their concerts. I'd just love to have that kind of connection while watching The Master with PTA in the cinema, maybe even a bit of mind-picking after the film's over. This is probably my least favorite aspect of the medium of film. Not getting that connection with the artist in the same room. It must have been surreal.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on August 04, 2012, 09:55:33 AM
Don't worry about it dude. The movie will be even better when he's dead.. if trends are anything to go by.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on August 04, 2012, 01:33:00 PM
LOL. That may be true, but I'm now debating on going to the Aero tonight now. Imagine if they did it again.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on August 04, 2012, 01:41:46 PM
LOL. That may be true, but I'm now debating on going to the Aero tonight now. Imagine if they did it again.

If you see M. Night Shyamalan sitting discreetly in the back row, get the hell out of there.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on August 04, 2012, 02:01:34 PM
HAHA that was a good laugh  :bravo:

Bail faster than Aurora? Too soon? Way too soon. I'm sorry.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on August 04, 2012, 02:07:17 PM
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Bail faster than Aurora? Too soon? Way too soon. I'm sorry.

I laughed, if it's any consolation. Sorry, everyone.

This secret premiere business is making late September seem even farther away.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I am Schmi on August 04, 2012, 10:05:11 PM
That sneaky bastard.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 04, 2012, 10:09:28 PM
I was THINKING ABOUT GOING to see The Shining there tonight. I LEGITIMATELY THOUGHT ABOUT IT...that thought is completely fucking me over at the moment. PTA seriously is so awesome for doing that. What lucky souls.



No...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Vlt-lpVOY
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on August 04, 2012, 10:11:22 PM
I'm now debating on going to the Aero tonight now. Imagine if they did it again.

If you see M. Night Shyamalan sitting discreetly in the back row, get the hell out of there.

LOL

Bail faster than Aurora? Too soon? Way too soon. I'm sorry.

SMH



No way am I reading what those assholes think. I'll be avoiding reviews like JB is avoiding that still of Joaquin riding a unicorn into the sunset.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 04, 2012, 10:14:18 PM
No way am I reading what those assholes think. I'll be avoiding reviews like JB is avoiding that still of Joaquin riding a unicorn into the sunset.

Ugh, you got me! *shakes fist*
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 04, 2012, 10:16:45 PM
No way am I reading what those assholes think. I'll be avoiding reviews like JB is avoiding that still of Joaquin riding a unicorn into the sunset.

Ugh, you got me! *shakes fist*


Wait... So, Jeremy, You haven't seen ANY footage or still from "The Master" yet?

 :saywhat: 

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 04, 2012, 10:22:16 PM
Wait... So, Jeremy, You haven't seen ANY footage or still from "The Master" yet?

 :saywhat:

I only saw the first trailer. I've seen stills, but only ones directly posted in this thread. I've already been spoiled enough. Ideally, I'd like to know absolutely nothing about the film.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: bxt101 on August 06, 2012, 01:22:30 AM
wow thats amazing, I didn't see that.

does anyone know why philip seymour hoffman rides a motorcycle? that seemed a bit random in the trailer. is it something about achieving mental freedom?

Because just like Howard Hughes, L. Ron Hubbard liked the desert... He spent sometime (Again, just like Hughes) riding bikes in the desert.

Yes, that's what I figured too; on that front, it also immediately brought to mind Melvin and Howard, which I believe is one of PTA's favourites.


Yeah... We've already talked about the "Melvin and Howard" references..

(https://p.twimg.com/Ay6VC_kCcAAkyWi.jpg)


There's also so much HARD EIGHT and BOOGIE NIGHTS in that movie... So many shots that PTA "borrowed". 


I don't know who's in charge here but I propose that we start a "Xixax References/Connections" thread. Kinda like IMDB connections but BETTER, because IMDB connections fucking SUCKS. I've sent a ton of references and they NEVER post them, even if they are obvious.

Like the way BOOGIE NIGHTS begins like 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY

The way Boogie Nights begins like 2001: A Space Odyssey.. How so?
I always felt that There Will Be Blood began like 2001: A Space Odyssey, as everyone knows in both films not a word is spoken for a very long time, but the key comparison is that just as the Apes find their "tool" so does Daniel Plainview (He draws the pulley system on the notepad), Just as 2001: A Space Odyssey's opening depicts the turning point for humanity, TWBB's opening the turn of the century for prospectors, so on so forth

Your references are a treat InTylerWeTrust, good digging!

Are there any dedicated threads -- perhaps separated by movie -- for PTA shot references? There are a few much talked about references for certain stand-out shots, but I'm curious to see a more complete catalog of obscure and subtle references. Screenshots -- like those above -- would be nice, too. There's a shot in TWBB that references another in Andrei Rubylov -- I've never before seen it mentioned (though I would be a bit disappointed if no one here had noticed)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on August 06, 2012, 04:09:30 PM
New Poster:

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/the-master-2012/photos/the-master-stills-slideshow/

Wow
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: velociraptor on August 06, 2012, 04:17:43 PM
I am madly in love with this poster.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 08, 2012, 10:37:10 PM
1st teaser came out May 21st.

2nd teaser came out June 19th.

Trailer came out July 19th.

Movie comes out September 21st.


Anyone care to guess what will they put out on august 19 - 21?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on August 08, 2012, 10:40:14 PM
Anyone care to guess what will they put out on august 19 - 21?

Inherent Vice.

*super duper optimistic guy
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 08, 2012, 10:43:33 PM

Inherent Vice.

*super duper optimistic guy


Or the first teaser of that Metal Gear Solid film he's been prepping...  I heard Matt Damon's playing Solid Snake.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Brando on August 08, 2012, 10:55:10 PM
Anyone care to guess what will they put out on august 19 - 21?

Inherent Vice.

*super duper optimistic guy

I was so excited for that project but now I feel it's dead. Admittedly, it only came about cause the thing he really wanted to do and been working on for a while fell through but the idea of downey playing a pot smoking detective in the 60s directed by PTA and based on Pynchon novel was very exciting. You reminded me I can now read the book instead of waiting for the film.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 08, 2012, 10:57:22 PM

I was so excited for that project but now I feel it's dead.

Why is Inherent Vice "dead"?  I thought Megan Ellison agreed to finance both THE MASTER and "Vice"?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Brando on August 08, 2012, 11:01:45 PM

I was so excited for that project but now I feel it's dead.

Why is Inherent Vice "dead"?  I

I don't know it's dead.  But it only came about cause the Master lost it's funding or whatever it was. It seemed like something for him to direct while the Master got up and running again. I hope he directs it and it's a possibility but I wouldn't be confident in saying for certain that's his next project. Maybe I'm misreading it but it seemed very quick after it became news that The Master wasn't going to be shot that Inherent Vice was announced like it was something to do instead of moping over the Master but maybe he planned to shoot it after The Master all along and the situation presented itself.  I'm just pessimistic person in general so doubt it'll one of his projects.

I thought Megan Ellison agreed to finance both THE MASTER and "Vice"?

You must of updated your post cause originally the line about Megan Ellison agreeing to finance both didn't show up originally. I didn't hear that. But I already wrote the post so I'm gonna continue to believe it's not happening.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on August 09, 2012, 12:02:17 AM
You must of updated your post

You of should've definitely of considered of editing of your of post.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Brando on August 09, 2012, 12:17:00 AM
I went to an art school. So I took drawing courses instead English courses which is evident.   In the short time I've been posting here I have come to realize my grammar is significantly worse than I thought. I always knew it was bad.  JB was the first to point it out.  I realize it when I see the mistake but just overlook it. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: rjmjr on August 09, 2012, 09:05:15 AM
Anyone care to guess what will they put out on august 19 - 21?

http://www.themasterfilm.com/ gets a major update and we have a robust, official website to pour over.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on August 09, 2012, 11:33:36 AM
‘The Master' Confirmed For Venice; Running Time Listed As 137 Minutes

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.se/2012/08/the-master-confirmed-for-venice-running.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 09, 2012, 11:44:31 AM
‘The Master' Confirmed For Venice; Running Time Listed As 137 Minutes

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.se/2012/08/the-master-confirmed-for-venice-running.html

137 minutes? Thats too short!  :(   

BTW... SPOILER ALERT?

I read the first 20 pages of the script today and I realized that about 90 percent of the footage that they have shown us (in the 2 teasers and the trailer), takes place within the first 20 pages of the script. Except for a couple scenes that come much later.

Which means that even after watching the trailers, theres still TONS of stuff that we havent seen. I say this with relieve because I thought I had sort of spoiled the film for myself after watching all the trailers and looking at all the stills.  :yabbse-grin:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on August 09, 2012, 11:47:33 AM
I'm just happy that it runs over 2 hours.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 09, 2012, 04:39:02 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Master-Orgininal-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack/dp/B008V0OKGG/ref=tsm_1_tp_un_it

SCORE COMES OUT ON SEPT. 11TH.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: everythingtarantino on August 09, 2012, 05:54:19 PM
thanks melissa for  finding that out and  giving cigs and redvines the heads up. :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 09, 2012, 06:03:27 PM
thanks melissa for  finding that out and  giving cigs and redvines the heads up. :yabbse-thumbup:

Where's Melissa? She AIN'T HERE. She ain't gonna be here. So what's the culmination of saying that?

I just deliver the news... I never claimed to be the first one to find out. That does not matter to me either.

Plus, Every time I post something, you have to comment on it. Literally the 3 posts you have, all 3 are directed at me in a negative way.

I'm simply doing my part, contributing to the site. I saw no one had posted it, so I posted it. Now if you got nothing better to do than talk shit everytime I post something then I suggest you get the fuck outta here...

Have a nice day.


Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 09, 2012, 06:06:16 PM
Now back to "THE MASTER"

Anybody still has the 19 NEW stills that came out recently?

I was looking for them today, Apparently the Weistein Company took them all down for some reason.  They're not on Filmstage and they're not in Cigs and Red Vines.

If anyone still has them, let me know!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on August 10, 2012, 12:54:37 AM
Now back to "THE MASTER"

Anybody still has the 19 NEW stills that came out recently?

I was looking for them today, Apparently the Weistein Company took them all down for some reason.  They're not on Filmstage and they're not in Cigs and Red Vines.

If anyone still has them, let me know!

Hey InTylerWeTrust, I have them  :yabbse-thumbup:


PUBRICK! I just thought I'd post this for you mate, just before on twitter, Palace Films announced The Master was going to have a November 8 Release in Australia

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8iz0bn0MD1rcxkteo1_1280.png)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ravi on August 10, 2012, 10:28:35 AM
Austin's Alamo Drafthouse (The Ritz) (http://drafthouse.com/blog/entry/presented_in_amazing_alamoscope) will be getting a 70mm print.

I want to see this opening day and I MIGHT be in NY on September 21. Is there any word about which NY theater(s) will get 70mm prints yet?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 10, 2012, 10:34:19 AM
Austin's Alamo Drafthouse (The Ritz) (http://drafthouse.com/blog/entry/presented_in_amazing_alamoscope) will be getting a 70mm print

Nice.... But they're showing it on September 21? Isn't that the official release date anyways?


EDIT: I will also be in NY around that time... Would also love to know what theater will show 70mm.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on August 10, 2012, 10:38:26 AM
Austin's Alamo Drafthouse (The Ritz) (http://drafthouse.com/blog/entry/presented_in_amazing_alamoscope) will be getting a 70mm print.

I want to see this opening day and I MIGHT be in NY on September 21. Is there any word about which NY theater(s) will get 70mm prints yet?

Just came here to write that!
My "inside source" had told me about the 70mm projector and we both assumed it was Master-related. So excited that that's why.

Tickets go on sale next month, but I'm probably going to also get tickets to some of the other 70mm screenings.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 10, 2012, 10:41:01 AM

Hey InTylerWeTrust, I have them  :yabbse-thumbup:



I need them for something I'm putting together  :).... Send them to me in an email or upload them here: http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=12254.45
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ravi on August 10, 2012, 10:52:16 AM
Tickets go on sale next month, but I'm probably going to also get tickets to some of the other 70mm screenings.

I'll try to catch Baraka and Play Time. I really hope they screen 2001 and Lawrence of Arabia in 70mm someday.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on August 10, 2012, 11:13:48 AM
The Paramount Theater in Austin often plays 2001 and Lawrence of Arabia in 70mm. In fact, they're playing 2001 in 70mm a couple of weeks from now.

I believe that the release date for The Master is Sept 14th in LA/NY, then it opens wider on the 21st, and will probably continue to expand week by week.

Needless to say, I am so happy about The Master playing here in 70mm. I feel like a bit of a dork for saying this, but I was actually really concerned about whether or not I'd be able to see it in this format.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: RegularKarate on August 10, 2012, 11:16:56 AM
I'll try to catch Baraka and Play Time. I really hope they screen 2001 and Lawrence of Arabia in 70mm someday.

The Paramount Theater has a 70MM projector and they screen both those movies every summer. In just a couple weeks.

EDIT: and I'm officially the slowest with the Austin news today. Let's have an Austin meetup 70mm party.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on August 10, 2012, 11:41:44 AM
Yeah, I feel like it's appropriate to have all the XIXAXers near Austin meet up to watch The Master in 70mm. PTA brought us together in the first place, and this is a cause for celebration. I say we watch The Master, go get drunk, and then watch The Master again.

The Paramount usually plays Lawrence of Arabia but aren't doing it this year. They are, however, playing Last Action Hero in glorious 70mm.

I imagine that the Drafthouse will get around to showing both of those movies as well. Maybe they'll play Lawrence of Arabia soon, since The Paramount's not doing it this year. In any case, Ravi, those are two movies that you will definitely be able to catch in 70mm someday.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on August 10, 2012, 11:45:15 AM
Keep me updated re the Austin 70mm meetup. I definitely want to be there, just not sure (yet) if I can logistically. I'll keep my fingers and toes crossed.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Ravi on August 10, 2012, 11:45:47 AM
The Paramount Theater in Austin often plays 2001 and Lawrence of Arabia in 70mm. In fact, they're playing 2001 in 70mm a couple of weeks from now.

Let's have an Austin meetup 70mm party.

Let's do it. I can't believe I had no idea that 2001 and LOA often showed in 70mm just three hours from me. Why do I live in Dallas??? We can't have 70mm parties here!  :ponder:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: I am Schmi on August 10, 2012, 01:01:52 PM
Seeing as we're discussing theaters and what not, I've been eyeing Arclight's theater in Hollywood. I know the theater will get it on The Master's first official public debut (Sept 14th), however I'm second guessing whether or not the decision is realistically the best choice for me.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on August 10, 2012, 02:54:31 PM
Thought you guys might enjoy this:

Went to see Killer Joe a couple nights ago (hilariously demented/fun) with my fellow cinephile friend who isn't watching any The Master material with me. So, during the previews The Master trailer appeared beginning with that hypnotic track over the TWC logo appearing, and we sprinted out of the theater faster than Aurora (once again, I'm really sorry if it's too soon).

SOMEONE ELSE BOOKED IT WITH US TOO...the things we go through for a PTA film.

/endstory
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 10, 2012, 03:05:54 PM
Thought you guys might enjoy this:

Went to see Killer Joe a couple nights ago (hilariously demented/fun) with my fellow cinephile friend who isn't watching any The Master material with me. So, during the previews The Master trailer appeared beginning with that hypnotic track over the TWC logo appearing, and we sprinted out of the theater faster than Aurora (once again, I'm really sorry if it's too soon).

SOMEONE ELSE BOOKED IT WITH US TOO...the things we go through for a PTA film.

/endstory


LOL I don't know how you guys do it, man... I really don't. I wish I had that kind of will power. When anything "master-related" comes out, I'm on it like Polanski on a 12 year old... I've probably seen the trailer more than 300 times by now (That first day it came out I had it on repeat all night long). But good on ya for staying "Trailer-free".  Maybe when the next PTA film comes out, I'll do the same........ Maybe.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: everythingtarantino on August 10, 2012, 04:06:13 PM
hey tyler thanks for just delivering the news  :yabbse-thumbdown: get the fuck outta here whats with that kinda talk my main man.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 10, 2012, 04:22:23 PM
hey tyler thanks for just delivering the news  :yabbse-thumbdown: get the fuck outta here whats with that kinda talk my main man.

Do you plan on making any useful posts, or are you going to continue with the vague ineffectual trolling?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 10, 2012, 04:29:31 PM
Jeremy, Do him a favor and BAN HIM.


EDIT: I just saw he sent me a message saying "FUCK YOU AS WELL!". This guy is a CLOWN. Unsuccessful Troll is Unsuccessful.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 10, 2012, 04:30:32 PM
Polkablues has already banned him. Problem solved.  :yabbse-thumbup:

Moving along...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: polkablues on August 10, 2012, 04:47:13 PM
He needed more free time to devote to his true calling: preventing goats from crossing bridges.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on August 10, 2012, 04:55:41 PM
Yeah, I feel like it's appropriate to have all the XIXAXers near Austin meet up to watch The Master in 70mm. PTA brought us together in the first place, and this is a cause for celebration. I say we watch The Master, go get drunk, and then watch The Master again.
I will happily accept two tickets and gas money as an early wedding present!
Unfortunately, I probably won't have a chance to see this in 70mm, unless they decide to play it in Atlanta.
Hearing of this, and the routine 2001 screenings, begs the question "what am I still doing here?"
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Melisande on August 10, 2012, 06:30:05 PM
Where's Melissa? She AIN'T HERE. She ain't gonna be here.

I am here, though!  :ponder:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 10, 2012, 06:37:01 PM
Where's Melissa? She AIN'T HERE. She ain't gonna be here.

I am here, though!  :ponder:

Ok.... Welcome  *Kanye Shrug*...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on August 11, 2012, 11:43:19 AM
9 New Images From ‘The Master'
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/08/9-new-images-from-master.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 11, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
9 New Images From ‘The Master'
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/08/9-new-images-from-master.html

NICE.... Hopefully these ones won't get removed. But I'm downloading all of them just in case.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on August 11, 2012, 11:56:28 AM
Yeah, they're probably going to. I have the old ones too if you still need them.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 11, 2012, 12:06:19 PM
Yeah, they're probably going to. I have the old ones too if you still need them.

Oh yeah, I still need them...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on August 11, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
Philip Seymour Hoffman & JoAnne Sellar Downplay ‘The Master's Scientology Connections In EW; Plus 12 New Images
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/08/9-new-images-from-master.html

Apparently there's also a new trailer for the film playing in front of "The Bourne Legacy" this weekend..?

Hey, there was definitely a new trailer in front of BOURNE LEGACY. Joaquin banging a window while Hoffman spoke. Amazing.
It had Joaquin banging a window rhythmically through out. Adams shoots a rifle at one point.
It had Hoffman being led away by police (different shot than others), yelling back at the house. Joaquin kissing in a car.
That's really the extent of what I remember, I'll ask my friends that saw if they remember any other details.
amc century city, friday 730pm (via (https://twitter.com/brianduffield))
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 11, 2012, 01:33:10 PM

Apparently there's also a new trailer for the film playing in front of "The Bourne Legacy" this weekend..?

Hey, there was definitely a new trailer in front of BOURNE LEGACY. Joaquin banging a window while Hoffman spoke. Amazing.
It had Joaquin banging a window rhythmically through out. Adams shoots a rifle at one point.
It had Hoffman being led away by police (different shot than others), yelling back at the house. Joaquin kissing in a car.
That's really the extent of what I remember, I'll ask my friends that saw if they remember any other details.
amc century city, friday 730pm (via (https://twitter.com/brianduffield))

I freaking new it! They're probably releasing that on August 19 - 21... One last trailer before the movie opens on Sept. 21st.

Edit: But I don't know if it's a good idea to show even MORE footage at this point... If it drops, I probably won't watch it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on August 11, 2012, 02:08:42 PM
Fuuuck, dude. I bought a ticket to Bourne last night because they wouldn't let me in an R rated movie without I.D. but I didn't go near it because I hate Bourne. I'll never get into it. Big mistake, wish people were quicker on announcing dis shit.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 11, 2012, 02:16:38 PM
Meh... It's gonna come out in a week or so anyways... I don't like "Bourne" either BTW, I don't know how people can watch that shit, the camera is way too shaky, I get headaches. 

On another note, Has any NYC theater been confirmed for a 70mm showing yet?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on August 11, 2012, 06:07:03 PM
^^
It's NYC bro, someone will.

I live in Miami beach and it's a guarantee the film won't even play in a real 35mm print lol. I'm certain there's no theater's like that anywhere in south Florida. I'm thinking now of just waiting till it comes out on bluray. At least that might use some 70mm negative.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Reelist on August 11, 2012, 06:13:26 PM
I live in Miami beach and it's a guarantee the film won't even play in a real 35mm print lol. I'm certain there's no theater's like that anywhere in south Florida. I'm thinking now of just waiting till it comes out on bluray. At least that might use some 70mm negative.

that's the most depressing thing I'll read all day. Cuz I'm pretty much in the same boat  :yabbse-undecided:

got my fingers crossed for ONE theater. Don't think it'll happen, though.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on August 12, 2012, 10:09:46 AM
http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/08/new-trailer-already-in-theatres.html
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on August 12, 2012, 12:24:43 PM
I was just thinking about how boring I find Jeremy Renner to be as an actor, and then remembered that he was almost going to play Freddie. Thank Fucking God that didn't happen.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 12, 2012, 12:28:11 PM
I was just thinking about how boring I find Jeremy Renner to be as an actor, and then remembered that he was almost going to play Freddie. Thank Fucking God that didn't happen.

Yeah... But I was checking out the early pages of this thread this morning and it was even worse. You guys were talking about Robert Pattinson or Shia Labeouf and even Paul Dano to play Freddie... and you were NOT being sarcastic. Needless to say, my WTF levels rose to an all-time High. 


Title: Re: The Master
Post by: matt35mm on August 12, 2012, 12:40:27 PM
Those sprung out from an April Fool's joke, I think, but yeah, I actually did like the idea of Pattinson as Freddie, back when Freddie was written to be a guy in his 20s. That was based on the early script, which I did read. Obviously, I'm happy about Phoenix in the role now, but when everyone was just talking about actors in their 20s, I thought and still think that Pattinson is an actor to take seriously. I haven't seen any of the Twilight movies though. I was originally basing my assessment on how he was in public, and now I've seen COSMOPOLIS, which I think shows him to be a daring and capable performer. So fuck it, I'll stick up for him.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 12, 2012, 01:21:01 PM
Those sprung out from an April Fool's joke, I think, but yeah, I actually did like the idea of Pattinson as Freddie, back when Freddie was written to be a guy in his 20s. That was based on the early script, which I did read. Obviously, I'm happy about Phoenix in the role now, but when everyone was just talking about actors in their 20s, I thought and still think that Pattinson is an actor to take seriously. I haven't seen any of the Twilight movies though. I was originally basing my assessment on how he was in public, and now I've seen COSMOPOLIS, which I think shows him to be a daring and capable performer. So fuck it, I'll stick up for him.

Well, I have seen the twilight movies, actually that's the only thing I've seen him in. Which is why I think he sucks. Over-acting is this guy's forte.

Renner doesn't fit the role. Paul Dano doesn't fit either. Labeouf is yuck. I believe PTA made a brlliant decision in casting Phoenix... specially because of where Phoenix is right now in his career and people's perception of him as a lunatic. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on August 12, 2012, 03:39:14 PM
The thing about Renner was that when he was doing serious film test scenes the crew kept hitting a "wall" with him. Basically P.T made a mistake and found Renner to be not as good of an actor that he needed LOL. So instead of bashing him in public they mutually disagreed on the role being for him. I hope PT mentions this in an interview in the future hahhaha.

Also I kinda wished P.T gave PBH a very small cameo role in the movie.  I miss him and he would of fit right in if you ask me. Maybe PSH's grandfather or somethin' lol . He's getting REALLY old and PT doesn't have much time with him so he should slap him in Inherent Vice ;)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on August 12, 2012, 03:43:23 PM
P where did you read about that? I've never heard about him "hitting a wall". Makes way too much sense.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on August 13, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8pre3YOcK1qgopjqo1_500.png)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 13, 2012, 05:01:55 PM
Is there seriously ANYONE out there who DIDN'T see this coming?.... 

I wish I was in Toronto... or Austin... or Venice... or New york.... or L.A... FUCK MY LIFE.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 13, 2012, 05:11:24 PM
P where did you read about that? I've never heard about him "hitting a wall". Makes way too much sense.

Considering Renner's performance in Mission: Impossible 3, it seems entirely plausible.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on August 13, 2012, 05:20:16 PM
Quote
Considering Renner's performance in Mission: Impossible 3, it seems entirely plausible.

hiyoooo.com
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 13, 2012, 05:33:16 PM
I would've payed infinite amounts of money to see THIS GUY play Freddie:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8


 :bravo:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on August 14, 2012, 01:20:40 PM
(http://cdn4.pitchfork.com/news/47491/0021a060.jpg)


Details Revealed for Release of Jonny Greenwood's Score for Paul Thomas Anderson's The Master
Source: Pitchfork

Radiohead's Jonny Greenwood's score for The Master, the upcoming film from Paul Thomas Anderson, will be released September 11 through Nonesuch Records. In addition to 11 new pieces  from Greenwood (six performed by the London Contemporary Orchestra), the soundtrack album also features World War II-era music by Ella Fitzgerald, Jo Stafford, and more.

Greenwood also composed the score for Anderson's Oscar-winning film There Will Be Blood. The film is in theaters September 14 and features Philip Seymour Hoffman, Joaquin Phoenix, Amy Adams, and Laura Dern.

Pre-orders made at the Nonesuch site will get an instant download of Greenwood's piece "Application 45 Version 1".


The Master:

01 Overtones
02 Time Hole
03 Back Beyond
04 Get Thee Behind Me Satan (Ella Fitzgerald)
05 Alethia
06 Don't Sit Under the Apple Tree (With Anyone Else but Me) (Madisen Beaty)
07 Atomic Healer
08 Able-Bodied Seamen
09 The Split Saber
10 Baton Sparks
11. No Other Love (Jo Stafford)
12 His Master’s Voice
13 Application 45 Version 1
14 Changing Partners (Helen Forrest)
15 Sweetness of Freddie


Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 14, 2012, 01:32:44 PM
"10. Baton Sparks"




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6D00H3SkKI


??? 

So... Does this mean Greenwood gets disqualified for the Oscars again?...

Sidenote:  FUCK THE OSCARS.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Sleepless on August 14, 2012, 02:14:06 PM
Very interesting that the art work is just of PSH. Everything we've seen so far has put him and JP on more-or-less equal footing (or even more emphasis on JP's character). I mean, I know it's called the Master and everything, but this artwork seems to suggest that PSH's character is really much more of a dominant force throughout the movie than Freddy.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Kellen on August 14, 2012, 03:25:12 PM
The soundtrack cover is beautiful.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 14, 2012, 05:38:54 PM
http://bootysnatchers.tumblr.com/post/29420231734

^ Track number 1 of the soundtrack.... Sounds There will be blood-ish.  Scary as fuck.

You can download it right there..


CREDIT: Anonymous commenter posted the link at Cigsandredvines.



Title: Re: The Master
Post by: KJ on August 14, 2012, 06:43:46 PM
I will try to stay away from spoilers from now on.

So, I won't listen to that track. Even if it's probably amazing.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: DocSportello on August 15, 2012, 06:40:40 AM
Hey guys. Anyone thinking about hitting up TIFF? I'm seriously considering trying to get tickets for The Master but have never attended a major film festival so I don't really know how it works. What are the chances of a regular Joe like myself getting tickets? Would buying a TIFF membership off their website help? Anything you guys can tell me? Thanks Xi-bros.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: BB on August 15, 2012, 09:48:56 AM
Hey guys. Anyone thinking about hitting up TIFF? I'm seriously considering trying to get tickets for The Master but have never attended a major film festival so I don't really know how it works. What are the chances of a regular Joe like myself getting tickets? Would buying a TIFF membership off their website help? Anything you guys can tell me? Thanks Xi-bros.

I think the availability of tickets for something like The Master is going to be largely dependent on how many screenings they hold. If they screen it a few times, which is not uncommon for TIFF, you stand a good chance of getting in to see one of the later ones. The premiere will be almost impossible to get into. You can try, but tickets will go very, very quickly and line-ups for rush tickets (if any remain) will be HUGE. To give you some idea, the rush line last year for the third or fourth screening of Ron Fricke's Samsara (so, while not obscure, nothing nearly so high profile as The Master) was something like three hundred people long.

I don't mean to discourage you. You can chance in to all kinds of awesome screenings. That's the beauty of film festivals, and TIFF is especially generous to the general public (relative to what I've heard about Cannes and Venice, etc). It's up to you whether you'd want to buy a pass for the festival, which is expensive but guarantees that you will see a lot of movies, or if you want to buy tickets to individual screenings. They should be posting a schedule soon if they haven't already. You can either call or purchase the tickets/passes online. You could also try to go by rush tickets. You will wait in many lines and you may not get in to things, but I've done it in the past with reasonable success. It is by far the cheapest option.

I don't want to jinx myself, but it looks like this year I might be given a VIP pass for the festival, which would enable me to get into any screening so long as I show up before rush tickets are sold. I would also get to attend the TIFF gala and rub elbows with Ben Affleck and such. Sorry for the sort-of brag. I'm not an important person, let alone a very important person. Just incredibly lucky. 
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on August 15, 2012, 02:40:38 PM
I would've payed infinite amounts of money to see THIS GUY play Freddie:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8


 :bravo:

I was JUST THINKING  about Cage being able to fit that role before I came here. Herzog even said he got great acting from him.

ALSO the cover art for "The Master" soundtrack is WAYYYYY cooler than the movie poster if you ask me, it should of been the other way around. For  @CloudAuteur, that news of Renner is old and was posted in cigs&vines a while ago as well as other places. look around an see if you can find it. Now that I remember, it was from an interview he did and was his quote.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on August 15, 2012, 02:44:26 PM
ALSO the cover art for "The Master" soundtrack is WAYYYYY cooler than the movie poster if you ask me, it should of been the other way around.

The same could be said for There Will Be Blood...

(http://www.downloadost.com/ost/big-there-will-be-blood-ost.jpg)
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on August 15, 2012, 07:35:03 PM
^That's beautiful. I think I'll buy it.

Side-note: Has anyone ever thought of how much pressure PTA has on himself, this being his first film after TWBB? I wonder how he handles it.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Champion Souza on August 15, 2012, 09:27:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFkFEzFp-Ac


New trailer
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 15, 2012, 09:45:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFkFEzFp-Ac


New trailer

HOLY SHIT.... How the hell did they make the cinematography look so "old"?... Looks fucking incredible! Like it was really shot in the 50's...


Also, out of all the footage we've seen, this one is the weirdest. That soundtrack is fucking hypnotizing.


EDIT: So, is screening tomorrow in Chicago in 70mm...  You Chicago residents are some lucky sons of bitches!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: P Heat on August 15, 2012, 10:00:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFkFEzFp-Ac


New trailer

cool. Shows what old film stock and cameras can still do. Best way to do a period piece.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 15, 2012, 10:12:43 PM
BTW, I'm starting to believe that that "ALROSEPROMOTIONS" Youtube channel is ran by PTA himself...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 15, 2012, 10:33:22 PM
Some quick research reveals:

Al Rose was the old-timey estate agent in There Will Be Blood.

http://mubi.com/topics/viral-marketing-the-movies
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 15, 2012, 10:35:45 PM
Some quick research reveals:

Al Rose was the old-timey estate agent in There Will Be Blood. Very cool.

http://mubi.com/topics/viral-marketing-the-movies


UHHHMMMM.... The plot thickens...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on August 15, 2012, 10:45:18 PM
Joaquin says to Amy Adams: 'What's this _____ business?'
Can someone please tell me what that word is, I can't make it out
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 15, 2012, 10:51:33 PM
Joaquin says to Amy Adams: 'What's this _____ business?'
Can someone please tell me what that word is, I can't make it out

He says:

"What's this TIME-HOLE business?" 

I don't know what a "time-hole" is, but that's what he said.





**** POSSIBLE SPOILER ****

My guess is that is probably one of the practices the cult does... or some shit like that. I think I read somewhere that scientologists have this thing where they hypnotize you and make you "remember" back in time, even back to before you were born. Some loony shit.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on August 15, 2012, 11:01:21 PM
Yeah you're right, I read a book called Inside Scientology, and it was explaining dianetics in the 50's, and it was all about bringing up past traumas/memories and to re-live them via auditing or 'Time Hole'ing' so that one could be 'healed' etc.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: martinthewarrior on August 15, 2012, 11:09:12 PM
Heading to Chicago for the surprise music box screening thurs night. Anyone else going?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on August 15, 2012, 11:59:27 PM
I just want to say, this new trailer, wow, the music, the editing, the auditing, the cinematography, makes me nostalgic for a period I wasn't even brought up in. We are so lucky to have a filmmaker like PTA, truly, we really are lucky.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 16, 2012, 12:11:47 AM
I just want to say, this new trailer, wow, the music, the editing, the auditing, the cinematography, makes me nostalgic for a period I wasn't even brought up in. We are so lucky to have a filmmaker like PTA, truly, we really are lucky.

Yeah, I wasn't brought up during that time period either. But it makes me nostalgic because it reminds me of all the 40's, 50's and 60's movies that I ADORE. It also reminds me how beautiful cinema truly is and why I fell in love with it in the first place.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: martinthewarrior on August 16, 2012, 07:59:14 AM
This place is developing a real 'Tiger Beat: Paul Thomas Anderson edition' feel.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Melisande on August 16, 2012, 09:27:09 AM
ALSO the cover art for "The Master" soundtrack is WAYYYYY cooler than the movie poster if you ask me, it should of been the other way around.

The same could be said for There Will Be Blood...

(http://www.downloadost.com/ost/big-there-will-be-blood-ost.jpg)

Both covers were done by Jonny Greenwood's wife; she's a very talented artist/photographer.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on August 16, 2012, 11:36:06 AM
Heading to Chicago for the surprise music box screening thurs night. Anyone else going?

I'm considering it right now. Any idea on cheap hotels near the Music Box?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on August 16, 2012, 11:40:10 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8uw8f8tnh1ra6go2o1_500.jpg)

:/ sorry everyone
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: martinthewarrior on August 16, 2012, 12:04:05 PM
Modage, not sure on hotels. Do you have tickets already? I bought 3, and may have a fall through. Sorry for the tease, but if I hear back definitively from the questionable party in the negative, the ticket's got your name on it. How far outside Chicago are you (i.e. when's the latest you'd need to kow by)?
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: modage on August 16, 2012, 12:23:31 PM
I'm coming. Flying in from NYC tonight. Let me know if you have a ticket. Might be able to get one rlsewhere but not sure.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: martinthewarrior on August 16, 2012, 12:32:48 PM
Alright, just heard back. Ticket is yours if your other methods prove fruitless. PM-ing you my phone number, shoot me a text or something and let me know what's up. I'll be in Chicago 8 pm, or there about.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: ©brad on August 16, 2012, 01:37:35 PM
So jealous! Enjoy boys. Mod one of your 3-4 word reviews would be most welcome.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: DocSportello on August 16, 2012, 04:59:03 PM


I think the availability of tickets for something like The Master is going to be largely dependent on how many screenings they hold. If they screen it a few times, which is not uncommon for TIFF, you stand a good chance of getting in to see one of the later ones. The premiere will be almost impossible to get into. You can try, but tickets will go very, very quickly and line-ups for rush tickets (if any remain) will be HUGE. To give you some idea, the rush line last year for the third or fourth screening of Ron Fricke's Samsara (so, while not obscure, nothing nearly so high profile as The Master) was something like three hundred people long.

I don't mean to discourage you. You can chance in to all kinds of awesome screenings. That's the beauty of film festivals, and TIFF is especially generous to the general public (relative to what I've heard about Cannes and Venice, etc). It's up to you whether you'd want to buy a pass for the festival, which is expensive but guarantees that you will see a lot of movies, or if you want to buy tickets to individual screenings. They should be posting a schedule soon if they haven't already. You can either call or purchase the tickets/passes online. You could also try to go by rush tickets. You will wait in many lines and you may not get in to things, but I've done it in the past with reasonable success. It is by far the cheapest option.

I don't want to jinx myself, but it looks like this year I might be given a VIP pass for the festival, which would enable me to get into any screening so long as I show up before rush tickets are sold. I would also get to attend the TIFF gala and rub elbows with Ben Affleck and such. Sorry for the sort-of brag. I'm not an important person, let alone a very important person. Just incredibly lucky.


Thanks a ton BB that helped. No apology necessary man, I'd brag about that shit too. I am jealous though. I've decided I'm (probably) going to buy a ticket package online. I'm just going to have to pray for more than 1 screening at TIFF because they aren't releasing the schedule until August 21st. Worst case scenario I see a bunch of other cool movies, but shit, I want The Master so fucking bad.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: DocSportello on August 16, 2012, 05:02:31 PM
(http://cdn4.pitchfork.com/news/47491/0021a060.jpg)


I wonder if this will have a vinyl release. As far as I can tell the CMBB soundtrack did not so I won't hold my breath. But a vinyl would be tits wouldn't it?

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: theyarelegion on August 16, 2012, 05:02:51 PM
Mac, Silias: this time 5 years ago we were one of those few lucky bastards getting to see an early screening of a new PTA film, how time flies. Very jealous and wishing I was in Chicago right now. I look forward to seeing the gushing reviews come in...bastards.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 16, 2012, 05:28:42 PM
I look forward to seeing the gushing reviews come in...bastards.


Yeah, about those reviews huh... I think this goes without saying, but I'm gonna say it anyways (because some of you are assholes)...

To the people that post reviews later on... Please, OH PLEASE NO SPOILERS!. You can let us know how good the movie was and all of that and we get it that you're excited but please no specifics, feel free to be as vague as you have to. (Some people here haven't even seen the trailer, so take it easy).

Also, try not to rub it in our faces... WE (the normal people) still have one month and 5 days to go  :(..... Fuck. Have fun!
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on August 16, 2012, 05:44:20 PM
Mac, Silias: this time 5 years ago we were one of those few lucky bastards getting to see an early screening of a new PTA film, how time flies. Very jealous and wishing I was in Chicago right now. I look forward to seeing the gushing reviews come in...bastards.

Haha. Yes. I remember waiting in line all day. And then getting upset when they moved the line for fear of losing our place at the very head of it. Still have my autographed ticket.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 16, 2012, 08:05:40 PM
(VIA TWITTER):

Bryan Tap ‏@angel_glands

"@cigsandredvines I can be the first to confirm, Paul Thomas Anderson IS in attendance! #TheMaster70mm"



Oh fuck...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on August 16, 2012, 10:58:05 PM
Cigs & Red Vines live twitter feed covering the screening is depressing the shit out of me. And PTA is in attendance? Fuck My Life, I wish I lived in the states.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on August 17, 2012, 12:01:37 AM
This would be like being at the first ever screening of 2OO1 the greatest movie ever made up to that point, WITH KUBRICK IN ATTENDANCE.

That's what's happening right now. AND THIS KUBRICK IS REALLY FRIENDLY AND WILL PROBABLY TALK TO PEOPLE AFTERWARDS.

As far as first world problems go, this is one is by far the worst of all time.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Cloudy on August 17, 2012, 12:27:35 AM
Quote
This would be like being at the first ever screening of 2OO1 the greatest movie ever made up to that point, WITH KUBRICK IN ATTENDANCE.

That's what's happening right now. AND THIS KUBRICK IS REALLY FRIENDLY AND WILL PROBABLY TALK TO PEOPLE AFTERWARDS.

As far as first world problems go, this is one is by far the worst of all time.


This^ was me a few weeks ago. I wonder if he'll do a little Q&A afterwards. He didn't after the surprise screening at the Aero.

Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 17, 2012, 12:41:28 AM
This would be like being at the first ever screening of 2OO1 the greatest movie ever made up to that point, WITH KUBRICK IN ATTENDANCE.


Fuck, that is so true...  What's killing me the most, is that we still got another whole fucking month to go... That's 35 days to go!  :yabbse-angry:  And most of us probably won't even get to see it in 70mm... I'm genuinely depressed now. Time to get drunk...


P.S: Cigsandredvines just twitted the word: "WOW"...  and that's all I need to know... :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on August 17, 2012, 01:17:20 AM
I tried finding all reactions on twitter, HERE THEY ARE!! :)
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Looks like this one might be divided, 'cryptic storytelling' is right up my alley, but many can't handle it.
 :)

UPDATE: More Reactions
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Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 17, 2012, 01:21:14 AM
^   :  '  )


(VIA TWITTER): Credit: @NelsonCarvajal


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Damn...
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: malkovich on August 17, 2012, 01:29:42 AM
I think I'm gonna cry.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: Pubrick on August 17, 2012, 01:35:02 AM
Some of those dickheads didn't deserve to be there.

"Game-changer" ? Ugh. Fuck outta here.

Talking about the hipsters at the screening? You're looking in the wrong direction, fuckhead.

And worst of all.. this will come up A LOT: insecurity about others understanding more than you ? PTA privileges revoked for LIFE.

On the bright side.. I'm glad PTA bought a new shirt.
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: HeywoodRFloyd on August 17, 2012, 01:39:27 AM
Hahah Pubrick :) okay guys, let's all just vent it out, give it all you got
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: InTylerWeTrust on August 17, 2012, 02:14:47 AM
A compilation of all the twitter reactions.... With a few new ones added:


http://blogs.indiewire.com/criticwire/reaction-to-the-master-in-chicago#
Title: Re: The Master
Post by: MacGuffin on August 17, 2012, 07:51:38 AM
***Read At Own Risk***


Review: ‘The Master’ Proves A Brave, Sensual Yet Detached Triumph For Paul Thomas Anderson
Source: Playlist

Even amongst its most wrenching scenes of unfettered anger and broken loyalty, a volatile sensuality nonetheless invades every frame of Paul Thomas Anderson’s arresting “The Master.” Populated by characters certain in their sexual and loving instincts yet stubborn in claiming responsibility for them, the film holds an unseen, persuasive force just off-screen to keep each on edge, never fully comfortable in their own skin. However, while the film’s narrative may point to faith as a cause and cure, the end result focuses instead on the reverberating pain in one’s past, and the oblique, often-maddening ways it manifests in the present through incredible performances and direction.

For Freddie Quell (Joaquin Phoenix, a truly unnerving revelation), both his faith and pain lie with women, and every smell, image, and suggestion that’s to do with them. When we’re first introduced to him, posted on WWII naval duty along a beachfront, he alternates between graphically discussing STD treatment tips, fashioning an anatomically correct woman in the sand, and masturbating into the ocean in plain view of his shipmates. As he returns home to California, apprehensively released by his superiors to 1950s California, the film carries this obsession as well, poring over every female body and word with the gaze heaped upon them. Aside from chasing women and picking up odd labor jobs, he is also an amateur alchemist, stealing paint thinner along with a variety of other substances to craft a bevy of homemade liquor. After an experiment during a Salinas work shift leaves a man poisoned, Freddie is run out of town by the other workers, and after a day’s drunken journey onto a luxury ship boasting a glamorous party, he finds himself in the company of Lancaster Dodd (Philip Seymour Hoffman), known to his community of secretive followers as “The Master.” As Freddie listens to Lancaster deem himself a nuclear physicist, theoretical philosopher, but above all an inquisitive man, he laughs, but Freddie notes within the exaggerated claims the conviction he so desperately lacks. “Come join us,” Dodd beckons, ushering him aboard to meet his wife (Amy Adams) and son (Jesse Plemons), “but your memories aren’t invited.” And with that, the ship doors are closed, the men grow closer, and Freddie finds slow solace in Lancaster’s words that have gathered many already.

Memory indeed plays an integral part of Anderson’s narrative, as Freddie seeks to run from his tortured past (his father died from alcoholism, while his mother was institutionalized) while also wanting to repair it, but the emphasis is placed not so much on the events that the characters remember, but the charged emotions behind them. Of course, it’s inevitable that comparisons to “There Will Be Blood” will be made, since both films focus on entrepreneurial men seen from simultaneously a detached and intensely personal point of view, but those claims only go so far here. Jonny Greenwood’s score remains the most analogous aspect, with its wood-based, off-kilter compositions, but as a whole, “The Master” plays instead like the heart-stopping strings at the opening of 'TWBB,' only settled into a simmering pattern waiting for their next leap. With his incredible DP, Mihai Malaimare Jr., and production design team of David Crank and Jack Fisk, Anderson absolutely nails every period detail he’s going for, from costumes down to the impeccably crafted visual style. Speaking of which, if there was any doubt Anderson had about shooting in 70mm, the opening shot of crystal-clear, vibrant blue sea should dismiss those thoughts entirely. There is an immediate and immersive quality to the image here, and combined with the film’s sustained atmosphere of dread, it is altogether an experience at which to marvel.

However, while those looking for a scathing indictment of any well-publicized religion are certain to find similarities, in some cases even direct parallels, Anderson never creates an atmosphere of outright derision. Instead, he crafts an enthralling attempt to track a personal guiding direction behind such a following, using Freddie’s relationship with Lancaster (as well as Adams’ nicely-handled ancillary menace) to drive home the conflict within the subject. In fact, it is in the rare scenes closest to direct analysis – such as when Hoffman displays his barely-veiled contempt of a dinner party skeptic – that feel reaching, providing on-the-nose dialogue that prove inferior to other sublime examples elsewhere. An early scene, in which Lancaster interviews Freddie about his past using a series of test questions, is unequivocally the film’s centerpiece, as both players raise each other’s game with every line and glance to ensure everyone that yes, these actors are capable of truly amazing things.

It is in these scenes where Greenwood’s score, along with the superb editing of Leslie Jones and Peter McNulty, shine the most, as Lancaster takes Freddie through “applications” in the homes-turned-treatment-centers of his followers. These sections fall into a fractured rhythm, as scenes fall off into flashbacks and flash-forwards, only to pick back up again twenty minutes later, and it is a credit to Hoffman and Phoenix’s performances that their emotional through-line never feels disjointed. However, it is in Freddie’s trials that the film begins to sag slightly. In Freddie Quell, Anderson has written an immensely passive character to center the film around, and while in its initial reels the sense of meandering spontaneity feels exciting and dangerous, in the latter half it simply feels listless. It is a sprawling film as well, jumping from California to Philadelphia, Phoenix to England, and combined with Phoenix’s wandering journey, the film’s 2+ hour runtime becomes increasingly felt. Combine that with an ending fit for many interpretations, and it adds up to an aggressively layered, distanced finish to a seemingly unresolved narrative.

As Freddie approaches Dodd’s ship in the film’s beginning, he notices on the side the name “Alethia,” the Greek word loosely translated as “truth.” Every character in the film is looking for such a goal, but ultimately, as exampled by Dodd’s exercises for his followers to “return to the womb,” nothing in these people’s lives since their conception will ever sa