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Title: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Fuzzy Dunlop on August 30, 2017, 12:58:10 PM
I haven't heard anything about it and apparently he hasn't even written it yet. Would love some unconfirmed rumors from whoever has em.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: jenkins on August 30, 2017, 01:36:30 PM
it's titled Patience and his biggest fans haven't heard of it yet.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: polkablues on August 30, 2017, 01:41:11 PM
Scoreless adaptation of Metal Gear Solid starring Vincent Froio.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: KJ on August 30, 2017, 01:46:06 PM
It's a spin off movie with Lance from PDL
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Drenk on August 30, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
It's a movie about someone on the internet with no jokes left and how he manages to survive in it.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: ono on September 26, 2017, 04:21:19 PM
I have so much love to give.  I just don't know where to put it.

They brainstormin'.  They seen some shit.

https://twitter.com/cigsandredvines/status/912718585889542144
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: martinthewarrior on October 02, 2017, 05:16:51 PM
Real talk, I spoke to one of Mr. Anderson's close friends in Los Angeles who said the new movie is "great and really weird" and that "he has another already to go when this one's done".
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: BigSock on October 02, 2017, 07:33:27 PM
Real talk, I spoke to one of Mr. Anderson's close friends in Los Angeles who said the new movie is "great and really weird" and that "he has another already to go when this one's done".

 :shock:
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: wilberfan on October 02, 2017, 09:51:57 PM
the new movie is "great and really weird" and that "he has another already to go when this one's done".

I'm really up for "great" and "another ready to go".  Not sure if I can handle "really weird".
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Vicko99 on October 04, 2017, 08:10:52 AM
the new movie is "great and really weird" and that "he has another already to go when this one's done".

I'm really up for "great" and "another ready to go".  Not sure if I can handle "really weird".
You're in the wrong director thread then.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: budwillies on October 04, 2017, 12:43:51 PM
Real talk, I spoke to one of Mr. Anderson's close friends in Los Angeles who said the new movie is "great and really weird" and that "he has another already to go when this one's done".

Really excited.  Hopefully, the trailer drops next week.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: wilberfan on October 04, 2017, 03:16:34 PM
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Not sure if I can handle "really weird".

You're a PTA fan aren't you?

Yep.  One of his biggest.

But I'm still butthurt about how much I disliked Inherent Vice...
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Drenk on October 04, 2017, 04:32:09 PM
You can argue that it's more disliking Pynchon than disliking PTA.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 04, 2017, 05:03:29 PM
I was also not thrilled with Inherent Vice, and I agree it probably goes back to the source material. That's probably what I was getting at with this:

What I'm not feeling is a beating heart at the center, or a story that is screaming to be heard, or any character with a particularly rich inner life . . . This just doesn't have the soul that I assume a PTA movie will have.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 04, 2017, 05:27:27 PM
Inherent Vice could have been a lot better if they slimmed down the plot and allowed it to be a relaxed look at an interesting character like Doc. The time with his character needed to breathe more and be more loose and fun.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: jenkins on October 04, 2017, 05:51:32 PM
i'll just let the movie speak for itself. IV slays, no question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBhhQozUP2U
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: wilberfan on October 04, 2017, 06:51:06 PM
After disliking Inherent Vice so much, I could only hope that it was a very faithful, and skillful adaptation of "problematic" source material.  It made no sense to me that PTA, who had proven his story-telling skills multiple times, could make a film about people I felt absolutely no connection to.  It's ultimately what makes or breaks a film for me:  I need to care--on some level--about what happens to the people whose story is being told.  I didn't care at all about Doc & Co.--nor what they were doing and seeking in the film.  I generally enjoy movies set in the '70s (came of age in that era.  Enjoying The Deuce so far, etc.)..but even that aspect of it didn't effect me positively. 

I couldn't figure out, either, why the humor fell so flat for me in IV.  The timing was off, and he seemed to be hitting to jokes too broadly.  (And don't get me started on the trailer!  A TOTAL misrepresentation of the film, in my mind.)

I'm wondering if I should try watching the film again--with the sound off.  I've tried rewatching the movie twice now--and never made it more than about an hour in before just throwing up my hands (and the remote at the TV) in abject frustration. 

I'm trying to remain open-minded about 'Thread', but IV did such psychic damage (yes, an exaggeration--it's just a movie) that I'm honestly got some trepidation about seeing it.  It's why the 'weird' label for 'Thread' a few posts back gave me pause...  I'm not against weird per-se, but it needs to be GOOD weird...
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 04, 2017, 06:59:29 PM
I could only hope that it was a very faithful, and skillful adaptation of "problematic" source material.  It made no sense to me that PTA, who had proven his story-telling skills multiple times, could make a film about people I felt absolutely no connection to.  It's ultimately what makes or breaks a film for me:  I need to care--on some level--about what happens to the people whose story is being told.  I didn't care at all about Doc & Co.--nor what they were doing and seeking in the film.

That is exactly how I felt as well. I think a lot of people who loved IV were bringing information from the book (which is fair). I think wilder is right that there is a lot going on aesthetically, but it clearly did want to be a character-based film, and the characters did not connect with me. I felt genuinely depressed that a PTA movie could feel so cold.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: axxonn on October 04, 2017, 07:10:53 PM
Inherent Vice could have been a lot better if they slimmed down the plot and allowed it to be a relaxed look at an interesting character like Doc. The time with his character needed to breathe more and be more loose and fun.

Well no, that's not what the movie should be about. The last thing anyone needs is another Big Lebowski.

It's PTA's best and most mature, imo.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: jenkins on October 04, 2017, 07:13:42 PM
a way to stay open minded is by dropping statements like "needed" and "GOOD weird". that's literally a way to stay open minded.

i've watched IV three times and i've never had a problem with it, it's grown and stayed with me. it's impossible for me to call the movie cold because it's impossible for me to call Doc cold. it's such a mellow narrative mixture of interconnectivity and riotous paranoia, it's by far the most non-dramatc city-like narrative PTA has orchestrated. you guys don't even chat its philosophy. no mentioning of the things that were taking place in the movie, only that it wasn't the movie you wanted to be. i'd say Pynchon helped and i wouldn't say Pynchon hurt. Pynchon and PTA know the same thing, that everything is about atmosphere. you don't teach people based on what you tell them, you teach people based on how you make them feel. that's science. anyway you guys sound crazy to me but it's just a thing that's hilarious enough to be taking place here and it's only life.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Lottery on October 04, 2017, 09:29:23 PM
That is exactly how I felt as well. I think a lot of people who loved IV were bringing information from the book (which is fair). I think wilder is right that there is a lot going on aesthetically, but it clearly did want to be a character-based film, and the characters did not connect with me. I felt genuinely depressed that a PTA movie could feel so cold.

I won't deny that reading the book probably made it a more comprehensible experience for me but I disagree with this, the book is way more meandering, distant and bizarre. PTA did do a good job in making it a more heartfelt experience. In the limited time he had, he added more emotional weight to Doc's relationship with Shasta and Bigfoot- even Coy's family stuff. It comes across better in the film than it does in the book. Doc's life is a revolving door of people, full of growing disconnection and discontent- while the other characters are a bit hazy, Doc himself is pretty easy to connect with. I agree with Jenk when he says "it's impossible for me to call the movie cold because it's impossible for me to call Doc cold", Doc's generally a good dude in world growing more cold.

Inherent Vice could have been a lot better if they slimmed down the plot and allowed it to be a relaxed look at an interesting character like Doc.
I suppose this is an example of me bringing information from the book but crazily enough, PTA did the above. He slimmed it down considerably from the source. IV is a technical display for PTA in regard to editing and writing.

I wrote similar stuff in the IV thread about the same topic.
Phantom Thread will probably be a more obviously PTA type movie because it's coming straight from his head whereas with IV, it was him adapting a difficult to adapt book and then tuning it to his own sensibilities (probably the same deal with TWBB, but I can't really comment on that).
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 05, 2017, 04:32:55 AM
Inherent Vice could have been a lot better if they slimmed down the plot and allowed it to be a relaxed look at an interesting character like Doc. The time with his character needed to breathe more and be more loose and fun.

Well no, that's not what the movie should be about. The last thing anyone needs is another Big Lebowski.

It's PTA's best and most mature, imo.

Haha, I was thinking more offbeat films of the 1970s. Anderson already films with a tone and realism more akin to that decade and the 60s than what Big Lebowski features. I would have liked him to essentially made same film but simplified a lot of the story and followed the wandering life of Doc more.

Mature is an interesting idea for IA. It's one of his lesser films for me but I would like an explanation how this stands out compared to what he's done prior.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Drenk on December 27, 2017, 10:03:55 AM
"What I will probably try to do next—foolishly—is to go back to that 600 pages thing I have and try to see if there's anything I can carve out of it. I'll try to approach it in the next couple of months the same way that I just described; I think that I'll probably try to daydream about what I know is in there and wonder how much I can get away with not looking at it and just write from what I know in there is good."

From the Bill Simmons podcast.

I also read recently but I don't remember where that he had an idea with "wide spaces" involved. In California.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: KJ on December 27, 2017, 11:34:03 AM
has he talked about "that 600 pages thing" before?
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: BigSock on December 27, 2017, 01:52:48 PM
Earlier in the podcast, he described Boogie Nights and Magnolia as those "600 page things", so this probably indicates PTA is interested in doing something more ensemble driven
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Lewton on December 31, 2017, 01:58:18 PM
I recently read that Phantom Thread was going to be a ghost story at one point -- something in the vein of M.R. James' stories. That's really interesting. There's a thematic precedent of sorts via The Master's emphasis on past lives, the Casper movie that Freddie watches, etc. Plus, in general, PTA's movies suggest a lot of fondness for bygone eras, and I can see how focusing more directly on ghosts could amplify that aspect in interesting ways.

Personally, though, I hope his choice is even more out of left field and focuses on extraterrestrials. He mentioned his appreciation of Close Encounters of the Third Kind fairly recently, I think, and that got me wondering about the idea of him doing a sci-fi movie. I guess, in a way, that might sound as outlandish and unlikely as PTA adapting Metal Gear Solid (remember that false rumour?), but I don't know. It'd be so fascinating to see his sensibilities adapted to such a new context. I wonder if he liked Jonathan Glazer's Under the Skin...
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Gold Trumpet on January 02, 2018, 06:13:35 PM
Whatever the project ends up being, i'm going to bet it's set in present day. Funny enough, he hasn't made one since Punch Drunk Love and on the Bill Simmons podcast, seemed like he was yearning to do one.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Lewton on January 08, 2018, 05:37:23 PM
I went looking through the back pages of this forum and found bits of a Total Film interview from 2003 (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=318.0):

Quote from:
PTA: "I don't have a career plan so I can't say for sure but I don't think I have much interest in doing anything that I don't generate. I know Sam Raimi has a love of comic books and an interest in doing Spider-Man, but that's another level of working and making movies that I think is probably a bit more invasive than I could manage. But I'm still very young and there's a bunch of genres out there that I want to tackle."

TF: "Such as?"

PTA: "Every single one of 'em. I mean, if you said 'western' I could go on for ages about westerns. That'd be great. Or a good old-fashioned English period drama. And I'd love to make a fuckin' scary movie. Real terror movie. One that'd make you go: 'I'm going to see this to get scared. Something like that.'"


It's now well over a decade later and his take on "a good old-fashioned English period drama" is out (I mean, I haven't seen the new film yet, unfortunately, but I'm assuming that label more or less fits).
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: wilder on January 08, 2018, 05:48:01 PM
I hold out hope for this

In other news, critic Glenn Kenny recently pointed us towards this article in the Cleveland Plain Dealer about late night horror host Ghoulardi (PTA's father Ernie Anderson) commemorating the 50th anniversary of his first broadcast. There's also a sidebar featuring some nice quotes from Paul. He talks about watching movies with his dad and that he's thought about setting a film in that era of the early days of local television.

    "From time to time I've thought about making a film about that era of local TV and the kind of Wild West lawlessness and the things that could happen. When my dad was doing it, it wasn't national, it was local. And it felt like lunch time was drinking time and you could come back to work totally hammered." 

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2013/01/ben-affleck-shouts-out-pta-at-golden.html

and this

And damn, Maron mentioning that it sounded like PTA was making a film based on the Hollywood Blacklist was so on point, I could really see that in my head. Just like his idea for the 'early days of tv' film.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Drenk on January 19, 2018, 08:16:44 AM
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Indeed, he shows no sign of slowing down. “I have a very strong idea of what I will do next,” he says. “I have to corral it into existence, because there’s a lot of material that I’ve written over the years, dating as far back as 1998-99, that’s been many different things, over many different years, that now it would be great to go back to.” Of course, he declines to elaborate.

https://amp.ft.com/content/4745f4a8-fb14-11e7-a492-2c9be7f3120a?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: jviness02 on January 19, 2018, 11:39:17 AM
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Indeed, he shows no sign of slowing down. “I have a very strong idea of what I will do next,” he says. “I have to corral it into existence, because there’s a lot of material that I’ve written over the years, dating as far back as 1998-99, that’s been many different things, over many different years, that now it would be great to go back to.” Of course, he declines to elaborate.

https://amp.ft.com/content/4745f4a8-fb14-11e7-a492-2c9be7f3120a?__twitter_impression=true

Anyway to copy that for non-subscribers?
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Drenk on January 19, 2018, 12:13:20 PM
Wow, I'm not and I had access to it earlier...I sent quotes to a friend:

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Anderson tells a story about reading film listings in a historical paper — a hobby of his. “I’m looking at an old newspaper from the 1950s,” he says, “which everyone sort of looks back at and says, ‘God, that was a glorious time’ — and I’m like, look, I just looked at the newspaper and there’s maybe three movies that I’ve heard of which are fantastic, that are still classics. But there’s 50 movies out that I’ve never heard of — [and] each one looks like a bigger piece of shit than the last one!

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I later express a degree of scepticism at his frequent displays of humility. Anderson has never made a poorly reviewed film; this summer There Will Be Blood was ranked by The New York Times as the greatest movie of the 21st century so far.

“As Kendrick Lamar says . . . ” he says, drifting off and lounging back into his seat.

I finish the sentence, quoting the rapper’s song from last year: “‘Bitch, be humble.’”

Anderson points a finger at me and grins.

Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: d on January 19, 2018, 12:20:26 PM
Try this link:
https://www.ft.com/content/4745f4a8-fb14-11e7-a492-2c9be7f3120a

It works for me now.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: eward on January 19, 2018, 12:24:12 PM
Didn't work for me.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: d on January 19, 2018, 12:29:38 PM
Strangely enough Dren's link didn't work for me either but mine did but it doesn't now.
Anyway, if it's not against the rules I can paste it here or in the interviews thread or save it and pm.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: KJ on January 19, 2018, 01:27:26 PM
I went looking through the back pages of this forum and found bits of a Total Film interview from 2003 (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=318.0):

Quote from:
PTA: "I don't have a career plan so I can't say for sure but I don't think I have much interest in doing anything that I don't generate. I know Sam Raimi has a love of comic books and an interest in doing Spider-Man, but that's another level of working and making movies that I think is probably a bit more invasive than I could manage. But I'm still very young and there's a bunch of genres out there that I want to tackle."

TF: "Such as?"

PTA: "Every single one of 'em. I mean, if you said 'western' I could go on for ages about westerns. That'd be great. Or a good old-fashioned English period drama. And I'd love to make a fuckin' scary movie. Real terror movie. One that'd make you go: 'I'm going to see this to get scared. Something like that.'"


It's now well over a decade later and his take on "a good old-fashioned English period drama" is out (I mean, I haven't seen the new film yet, unfortunately, but I'm assuming that label more or less fits).

Stanley Kubrick made his "good old-fashioned British period drama" when he was 47, and so did PTA. The logical conclusion is that he will make the horror film next. It's almost a fact.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/7/7b/Eliza_Simpson_Detective.png/revision/latest?cb=20111221073444)

Sincerely,
Pubrick

Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Heisenberg on January 19, 2018, 05:16:01 PM
Maybe Warner Bros. could offer him that "Overlook Hotel" project they were trying to get made a few years ago.
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: supermarket trolley on January 19, 2018, 06:10:12 PM
Does anybody else remember him saying something about having an idea for an action movie influenced by Baraka? Or did I imagine that? This was probably in a late-90s/ early 2000s interview. So I'm hoping if the next thing involves ideas from 98/99 it has something to do with this. But again, maybe I'm tripping?
Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Drenk on January 19, 2018, 06:41:24 PM
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I have an idea that has wide-open spaces, which would be really fun to do.

http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/director-paul-thomas-anderson-on-phantom-thread-mortality.html


Ok, I found the interview where he talked  about wide-open spaces. So. His next movie will be filmed in scope, set in the present the day.

(I hope.)

Title: Re: Untitled PTA Project (2020)
Post by: Tdog on January 20, 2018, 09:36:48 AM
He talked about working on material about feuding families around the time of There Will Be Blood. I imagine parts might have made it into the movie but a lot of it was shelved/drawered.