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The Director's Chair => Paul Thomas Anderson => Topic started by: kassius on February 15, 2004, 01:02:11 AM

Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: kassius on February 15, 2004, 01:02:11 AM
Didn't know where else to go.  I know this place isn't for chatting about books, but shoot me!  I found only ONE web site during an internet search tonight for it; that book being: "The Natural History of Nonsense".  It was at Amazon.com, no cover, no notes, no anything.

I was wondering since all of you are PTA fans and watched "Magnolia" plenty of times, maybe you've decieded to give this book a chance?  I can't find any reviews of it, anywhere, but PTA seems to love it.
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: kassius on February 17, 2004, 10:58:30 PM
If you care...

UPDATE: I called around to a few libraries in town and somebody had it! I've began reading it.  It's tiny, like 300 pages. It's like a pocket sized book; easy to carry around, which makes sense because as I figured, it is intended as sort of a handbook in life.

But there, Chapter 1, first line... it reads: "WE MAY be through with the past, but the past is not through with us".
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: cowboykurtis on February 18, 2004, 10:43:00 AM
Quote from: ckad79If you care...

UPDATE: I called around to a few libraries in town and somebody had it! I've began reading it.  It's tiny, like 300 pages. It's like a pocket sized book; easy to carry around, which makes sense because as I figured, it is intended as sort of a handbook in life.

But there, Chapter 1, first line... it reads: "WE MAY be through with the past, but the past is not through with us".

i remember reading an article about this book and its influence on magnolia -- without taking any wind out of anderson's sail ( dont get me wrong -- love the movie with all my heart) i did find it a little disapointing that many of the films most enciteful lines ( one being WE may be through the past....) were taken from this book. and furthermore, im not sure if he ever cited this or gave credit to. i felt similar upon hearing that the whole scenario in the opening montage was a well known "story" that had been discussed numerous times @ ferensic seminars.
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: SoNowThen on February 18, 2004, 10:55:06 AM
ckad79 -- Thank You!!! I've always wanted to know where that quote came from. How did you find out about this book?
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: Sleuth on February 18, 2004, 12:54:27 PM
Don't they talk about this on the Magnolia DVD?
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 18, 2004, 01:36:27 PM
Quote from: SloyjDon't they talk about this on the Magnolia DVD?

And on Greg's FAQ page.
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: SoNowThen on February 18, 2004, 01:39:56 PM
When on the Magnolia dvd?
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: Sleuth on February 18, 2004, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenWhen on the Magnolia dvd?

In the Making Of... feature, I think Mr. Paul Thomas Anderson talks about it
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: SoNowThen on February 18, 2004, 02:16:34 PM
Probably in the interview at the start, right? With the snake story?

That's the only time I really remember him talking at length...
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: kassius on February 18, 2004, 04:02:53 PM
It may be on the DVD somewhere... haven't watched "That Moment: Magnolia Diary" in awhile.

I am sure it's listed somewhere at PTAnderson.com, but I found it by doing a search for the quote and spotting:

http://www.fjw.org/quote.html
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on February 19, 2004, 10:38:33 AM
Does the book mention raining frogs?
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 19, 2004, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNickDoes the book mention raining frogs?

From Greg's site:

Where does the quote from Magnolia, "The Books says, We may be through with the past, but the past ain't through with us", come from? Is it the Bible?

The book they are referring to is "The Natural History of Nonsense" by Bergen Evans. It's a book about strange phenomena, like those of Charles Fort.  The quote comes from the book's opening sentence.  The book basically attempts to rationally explain why people believe rumors, urban legends, and strange phenomena, including raining frogs.
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: 82 on February 19, 2004, 11:28:58 AM
And no.. it is not located in the magnolia diary or anywhere on the dvds for that matter.
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: Sleuth on February 19, 2004, 12:07:10 PM
Hm, well I don't know where else I'd have learned that from
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: kassius on February 19, 2004, 01:06:40 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNickDoes the book mention raining frogs?

From Greg's site:

Where does the quote from Magnolia, "The Books says, We may be through with the past, but the past ain't through with us", come from? Is it the Bible?

The book they are referring to is "The Natural History of Nonsense" by Bergen Evans. It's a book about strange phenomena, like those of Charles Fort.  The quote comes from the book's opening sentence.  The book basically attempts to rationally explain why people believe rumors, urban legends, and strange phenomena, including raining frogs.

    Where does this summary come from, PTAnderson.com?  Running with how it's written, the comment gives one the impression that "raining frogs" is nothing more then a rumor, urban legend, or strange phenomena.

From what I understand, the idea of frogs falling from the sky, happens!  Not often, but it does.

http://allaboutfrogs.org/weird/general/raining.html

A lot of what I read, shows it happening in Mexico, South America, or in that area of the world.  I do wonder a bunch of things about it?  Do they get lifted and spit out or just thrown around in the air for a bit?  How far from the sky do they fall? For how long? How many?  Anything close to what we saw in "Magnolia", enough to flood a pool? HAHA.  

"This happens....this is something that happens."  -  STANLEY
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: Sleuth on February 19, 2004, 01:16:44 PM
YES, FROGS CAN RAIN FROM THE SKY, IT HAPPENS, EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS THIS
Title: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 19, 2004, 01:58:57 PM
It also happens in X-Files season 2 episode 14: Die Hand Die Verletzt.
Title: Re: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: theyarelegion on April 19, 2008, 04:38:27 PM
http://capecodhistory.us/20th/The%20Natural%20History%20of%20Nonsense.pdf
Title: Re: The Natural History of Nonsense (not PTA related *sorry*)
Post by: md on April 19, 2008, 10:32:07 PM
Thanks for the great share!