The Place Beyond The Pines

Started by MacGuffin, December 21, 2012, 05:59:45 PM

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Neil

Quote from: 72teeth on December 23, 2012, 03:59:17 PM
I used to think this too, but do you know how many films we'd have to ignore if we considered that...?
Pretty much all of them.

I'm being sarcastic. I think it's a thin and ignorant argument.
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72teeth

Quote from: Neil on December 23, 2012, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: 72teeth on December 23, 2012, 03:59:17 PM
I used to think this too, but do you know how many films we'd have to ignore if we considered that...?
Pretty much all of them.

I'm being sarcastic. I think it's a thin and ignorant argument.


well more than the race thing, i meant checking whatever politics you do hold close: gender roles, gun control, socioeconomics.. anything that takes you out of the story to think more PC.

I guess im just trying to figure out if it's a writer's fault for not considering all issues, or if a viewer should be just that: a viewer, with no critical thinking.
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RegularKarate

1. I didn't really like Blue Valentine (though it had its moments)
2. Does Mod like anything anymore?
3. This trailer looks good.
4. That poster is one of the ugliest things I've ever seen. That's on purpose, right? The question is "Why?".

BB

That can't be an official poster. There's no way. It's a photoshopped paparazzi pic:




Lottery

Mike Patton's doing the score for this? So weird.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to this one. Blue Valentine was some quality sadness porn, I'm hoping for some decent drama in this.

matt35mm

Saw it. Fairly agreed with Mod on this one. It's kind of a ridiculous movie, which I want to respect, but this is the sort of movie where too much happens just because it's the easiest way for the plot to work, and by the 10th bit of easy happenstance, it just got goofy. It often skirts with being funny not on purpose. It's supposedly about sons and legacy, but not in a serious way; the fathers and sons are linked by lazy genre tropes more than anything else.

Perhaps it would have been better if it were longer, because things happen too quickly for them to carry the necessary weight. Basically the characters that need to bump into each other do so immediately upon walking into a roomful of new people, then it cuts to "and now they're best friends!" Stuff like that. The story wants to be twice as long as it is, and the solutions to make it a 2hr movie are kinda lazy.

Lottery

That's upsetting, I had high hopes for this.

matt35mm

Lots of people love the movie. I think The Playlist gave it an A.

I THINK I get why some people like the movie. I just get more why people don't like the movie.

I probably like it a bit more than Mod. There are a lot of good parts, mixed in there with some not good parts.

Trailer's good, though.

Lottery

Quote from: trashculturemutantjunkie on April 11, 2013, 12:24:49 AM
??? lottery (young person?) the way you respect the people who haven't liked the movie is the same as those people or other people might respect you liking the movie! everything is ok

(haven't seen this movie yet, btw, 'cause of [reasons unrelated to movie criticism])

Woah, I see what you mean, lemme explain. I think my mind realises that sort of criticism is wholly possible. My hopes and dreams aren't smashed yet but I'm reacting to that point in autopliot.
I don't know, I'll try to turn off the weak-plot development-detector in my brain when I watch it.

socketlevel

ray liota is the best, dude's been doing great stuff since narc (yes of course early in his career too). even in heartbreakers he kills it.

this and killing them softly seems like a good start to a great year for him. there is a pivotal scene near the beginning of killing them softly where he gives one of the best and most understated performances of the year. it's such a gripping scene, and really it all comes down to how he handled it.

i can't wait to see this Friday.
the one last hit that spent you...

jenkins

saw this with kinda random people, like nonmovie people, enjoyed it very much and was surprised the guests also enjoyed the movie!! intricate and dynamic mixture of external mechanics and internal emotions. movie felt surprisingly realistic, engaging, mysterious

anticipated combo of refn's drive, heisenberg's the robber, surprising (to me) addition of blue valentine and other blue-collar stories, like snow on tha bluff, etc. kinda happy it wasn't too much like beasts of the southern wild or bernie or whatevs, just satisfied by its feelings and my feelings

movie is well made but 13-32% boring maybe, based on expressed and nurtured details and categories. long stories, maybe too long? idk. but it's like, please keep movies feeling like this if possible, please. thx

good job, imo

socketlevel

SPOILS

ya great job, i saw it with a bunch of friends too. some hated it, some loved it. they both had good points, my one friend saying "that's the kind of idea i would have had when i was 19 and never actually made it" as much as i really liked the movie, i somewhat agree. There is a sophomoric quality to the film, but then again that's the charm.

though i really like how the cycles of abuse are shown without any character saying what they're feeling. the fact that he could never look his son in the eye aided in his development one way toward apathy, whereas the step father on the other boy's side (while still troubled) put him on a path that took him away from ending up in the same place his biological father came from.

i really like the side characters, and in general i feel American cinema is really starting to nicely find a good balance between good qualities and bad ones. much like with john goodman in flight, i found goslings boss to be very well developed. you kind of despise him, but also like him because he's smart and knows when to draw the line. he also has a very endearing quality of caring about people, yet doesn't seem to care for himself too much.

I'd like to see this again when it's on video; already knowing the twists to see if it stands up.
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Cloudy

I agree with these guys^, this film is one of the most underrated films I've seen in a while. I never wanted it to end. To add to their comments above, the cinematography has to really be commended. Certain compositions, and movements within the frame were extremely dynamic to watch. Sean Bobbit is the fucking man, I hope he stays partners with Cianfrance on his future films.

Seriously, don't listen to the crap that's being said about this one. There's a very sprawling epic quality to this that is very rare to find in movies these days. When a movie has this much greatness, some of the weaker elements should be excused flaws that make it what it is. And Gosling was purely mythic.

*Did ANYONE notice the TWBB score used all the way through that second act? That was ridiculous.

Pubrick

Quote from: Cloudy on April 16, 2013, 02:11:44 AM
*Did ANYONE notice the TWBB score used all the way through that second act? That was ridiculous.

wtf really?  That's unforgivable.

back to not caring about this movie.
under the paving stones.

matt35mm

Not the Greenwood stuff. I think Arvo Part's "Fratres." So it's not really from the TWBB score.