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« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2003, 02:31:34 PM »
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lars von trier's style's all the same for sure,
but the thing that bothers me is that even all female characters in his films have the SAME characteristic!!!
they're all innocent and naive to death, and they all do stupid things for the person they love, and at the end they got really bad result~

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« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2003, 04:59:44 PM »
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well, have you seen dogville? grace is much smarter than selma and bess.
Had you seen all of his films, you would know that lars' style isn't all the same for sure. You would know that his first trilogy was,visually, very different than his later work and had men for lead characters .had you seen medea, you would know that he has portrayed women as sadistic evil bitches. One thing that is constant through all his films are great dramatic endings that make me numb.
I don't understand what you mean by stupid things and bad results...one might say that they sacrifice themselves for the person they love and the result is that they save them.
you shouldn't be bothered by that
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« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2003, 01:38:14 AM »
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It's pretty well directed at America. That WAS his point. And considering he never leaves Denmark and only knows about America from the news and our movies, that's pretty close to a blind man claiming the sun is blue. Especially if he's trying to make the type of statement he's making -- ie: We're selfish and cruel toward the underclasses, overly violent, dog eat dog, our silly innocent small town American images...

I think when you get to the end credits and hear David Bowie's Young Americans playing over images of homeless and downtrodden, it's a very specific commentary. And while I primarily agree with what his intentions are, I don't think he understands America well enough to make such statements. So yes, it's his opinion, but eveybody's got one. What makes some better than others is the amount of fact and comprehension brought to it.

Also, on a much simpler level, I just didn't find the movie the least bit entertaining.


Seems like he understands us more than some Americans do.

Sorry, if I'm just re-heating past arguments...

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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2003, 06:37:28 PM »
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New poster here.
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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2003, 07:11:56 PM »
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New poster here.


That's a very pretty poster.

I could do far worse than having that and the posters for Elephant and The Barbarian Invasions on my wall.
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« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2003, 07:30:01 PM »
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what the fuck, man? where the fuck is this movie already. why is the american release date so far behind everybody else's? i'm just going to have to import the dvd from some country that already has it because that's how long it's been out.
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« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2003, 07:34:56 PM »
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It does seem really odd to have such a long delay... but it'll get here eventually.
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« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2003, 07:47:49 PM »
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yeah...im in need of this movie.  my recent rewatching of dancer in the dark adds to that.

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« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2003, 08:05:44 PM »
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I love that poster. And it's such a great scene, too!

Sorry, just wanted to rub that in.

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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2003, 08:15:03 PM »
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christ, is she beautiful.......
I like how the other citizens are on this poster.
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« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2003, 11:07:17 AM »
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I'm not sure but I think this trailer is new:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_gate/dogville.html
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« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2003, 12:41:02 PM »
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christ, is she beautiful........


yeah, i had a hard time in cold mountain doing anything else but just stare at her everytime she was onscreen.  i think i hate von trier, so the only reason i might see this is for nicole.
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« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2003, 04:52:53 PM »
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i think i hate von trier, so the only reason i might see this is for nicole.


why?

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« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2004, 01:16:19 AM »
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she was damn fine.

damn fine movie.

the whole thing is so cruel, and then sort of ultimately humane. bettany's character is funny and provides amusing commentary on the mind of the viewer. some obvious barry lyndon influence, this demands repeat viewing. i'm excited that von trier has focused so intensely on the human condition. and that he's found a way to be "nicer" to chicks. i hope the next one isn't hindered by the lack of a hot chick.

really piercing movie, it resonates more than anything else i saw all year.
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« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2004, 06:28:01 PM »
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just saw it, got it for xmas.  great.  
i'll have to digest it to throw some worthy opinions.
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