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The Obstruction

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« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2004, 06:22:49 PM »
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It's now an hour since i last saw this film and i think it get's better everytime i see it.
I have seen the extra material and i must say that i find it kind of hard to see that Lars von trier should be mad you can call him excentrick but not mad.
Lars von trier's problem is that he always work together with this small actreses who wery easy gets sad, it works perfectly in the movies because if gives you this feeling of being a awfull person in an awfull world, but it still irretets me.
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« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2004, 08:01:27 PM »
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I saw dogville confessions.I found it unsatisfying, I wanted to learn more about his way of filmaking, his struggles, his conception of ideas and, of course, torturing actors. The best documentary film about lars von trier is the humiliated, the only one that includes all of what I mentioned.
I disagree with paul bettany when he says that lars tried to do dogville before, but it turned into the idiots. I can understand why he would think that, karen is trier's previous female character that most resembles grace, but still, it's a fairly different theme.

He is excessivly excentric, and yes I do think he's crazy, nonetheless, a genious of film. You should take a look at the audio diary that he had during the making of the idiots, it's hard to see a filmaker more crazy than that, he says ridiculous, mad things.
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« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2004, 08:16:03 PM »
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It's just...oh, I don't know. I just don't know why you'd read about it in the "Now Showing" forum if you hadn't already seen it. Maybe in "The Grapevine", sure, but here, where people who have seen it are discussing it already?

That said, I see your point.


Well I'm reading this thread and haven't yet seen the film, simply because I'm interested in hearing what people thought of it. I didn't read your review yet though (although I'm sure it's great), since I guessed it may have a few spoilers in it.
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« Reply #63 on: March 09, 2004, 01:37:07 AM »
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I disagree with paul bettany when he says that lars tried to do dogville before, but it turned into the idiots. I can understand why he would think that, karen is trier's previous female character that most resembles grace, but still, it's a fairly different theme.


Paul didn't actually mean it...he was frustrated and upset.
If you watch Dogville Confessions you'll see why he said it.

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« Reply #64 on: March 11, 2004, 12:53:26 PM »
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*** MINOR SPOILERS ***

Saw it yesterday, and I have to admit that the first 15-20 minutes were almost unbearable to me, then the film just lifted off like a rockett, scene I found most beautiful was when Grace opens the curtains in the blind man's house.

Great film ideed.

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some obvious barry lyndon influence


From the very first shot I thought of BL, so I'm not crazy after all, or am I?

Aside from the music which other things did you find the influence of BL?

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« Reply #65 on: March 11, 2004, 01:00:24 PM »
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Aside from the music which other things did you find the influence of BL?

the narration (by john hurt).

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« Reply #66 on: March 11, 2004, 01:03:39 PM »
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this is a great film...nicole should get another oscar,,,...

von trier IS MANIPULATIVE, but hes great at it, and makes a point...and he can say whatver the fuck he wants about the united states of america, as much as anyone else...

americans invade every country they want, not only with soldiers and guns but with ideology, movies and ways of life...so, in a sense, the whole world is american, and we all can say what we want about it. it doesn't matter if we haven't been there...sometimes i feel i know more about american history that about mexican history...that's the way it is...

in fact,s ometimes i think we all should be able to vote in america so when bush bombs our cities we can say: "well, I vote for him, I deserve it".

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« Reply #67 on: March 11, 2004, 01:06:05 PM »
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Lets try not to make this thread about politic...

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« Reply #68 on: March 11, 2004, 01:54:52 PM »
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He is excessivly excentric, and yes I do think he's crazy, nonetheless, a genious of film. You should take a look at the audio diary that he had during the making of the idiots, it's hard to see a filmaker more crazy than that, he says ridiculous, mad things.


I actully just saw the idiots the day after my last post, and i agree with you he must have been crazy on this stage of his life, but I think i was a good movie after all.
I saw a program on danish television a week ago called "de forhutlede" who was about theese "dogme brothers" and in that lars said to one of the women in the commity at cannes "I Don't take prices from italiens, thats a princip"
I don't know why i whrite this eccept that lars also said (as far as i remmeber) that mayby it was an act of excitment.
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« Reply #69 on: March 11, 2004, 02:39:25 PM »
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in fact,s ometimes i think we all should be able to vote in america so when bush bombs our cities we can say: "well, I vote for him, I deserve it".


There is a portuguese reporter that writes a weekly chronicle for the paper, and he says the same thing. He gives a lot of reasons why every citizen in the world should vote for the US president.

(for course he ommits the reasons why we shouldn't)
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« Reply #70 on: March 11, 2004, 02:51:28 PM »
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Lets try not to make this thread about politic...


please...

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« Reply #71 on: March 11, 2004, 02:54:54 PM »
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I saw it last year. I think I mentioned it earlier in the thread. But I fell asleep. For all his creativity, VonTrier has made an excruciating film. The points are unsubstantiated and his story formula is tedious and SO manipulative at this point.

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« Reply #72 on: March 11, 2004, 03:35:54 PM »
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Aside from the music which other things did you find the influence of BL?

the narration (by john hurt).


Damn! Of course, I realized it just when I read it. I got mogged.

BTW, your current avatar is lovely.

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« Reply #73 on: March 11, 2004, 10:53:27 PM »
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I got mogged.

yeah... it's been a pleasure.

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« Reply #74 on: March 17, 2004, 01:25:18 PM »
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sad news: I heard that the american release will be the butchered 117min version :(
"In Serbia a lot of people hate me because they want to westernise, not understanding that the western world is bipolar, with very good things and very bad things. Since they don't have experience of the west, they even believe that western shit is pie."
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