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The Grapevine / Re: The Square
« Last post by jenkins on October 18, 2017, 10:42:09 AM »
And when one doesn’t believe in the point, and there’s no ambiguity or mystery, the scene just ends up empty. This was sadly indicative of many scenes in the film: simple symbols or message hammered home.

this is how it works, isn't it? this is the relationship that develops between the movie and the viewer. you know, in movie land this is called, what, suspension of disbelief. and sometimes that shit can't be suspended, i feel ya. i'm wondering if the structure here was more parabolic than cohesive, but honestly sometimes i get worn down trying to say "let's look at this way instead" and etc.

today i'm not in the mood to defend this movie i haven't seen. i enjoyed your post Just Withnail.
The Small Screen / Re: Mindhunter
« Last post by diggler on October 18, 2017, 09:27:46 AM »
The girlfriend stuff really puts the brakes on the show, to the point where I'm not sure what the point of her is. The minor characters are what make this. From the small town cops to Kemper, there are some great character actors chewing scenery. That's when the show is it's most riveting.

The "we can do both" in regards to solving murders as well as researching murderers sounds like the show declaring it needs to be more engaging. Are these guys investigators or researchers? The narrative feels a need to insert these guys into cases but the scenes like the ones with Kemper are interesting enough for me. It also looks fantastic.
The Grapevine / Re: The Square
« Last post by Just Withnail on October 18, 2017, 09:19:34 AM »
After loving pretty much every film Ruben has done, short or long, it pains me to say that this didn’t work for me at all. It seems to go for a mix of the intensely focused character assasination of Force Majeure and the stand-alone episodic form of his earlier films, but ending up just muddled.

It goes in way too many different directions, seemingly wishing to make a kind of cosmology of art world hypocrisy, but at the same time every single scene seems to communicate the same small sliver of capital T Themes, and it all rather ends up feeling reductive rather than expansive. It’s meanings seem set from frame one.

Östlund has always been great at delving deep into situations, but here the situations take over so much that the whole fell apart. Elisabeth Moss’ character almost seems to be completely different people from scene to scene. That excellent scene with her that they used as a promotional clip, that got me so excited for the film, completely lost it’s power in the context of the rest of it.


Ditto with the monkey-actor scene. The film is extremely unsubtle in making it’s points about human behavior. Östlund mentioned in the Q&A after the film that his film is partly about the lack of responsibility being taken in public spaces, and in this scene, the point is made by everyone eventually just succumbing to the monkey-man’s behavior and bowing their heads in submission as he goes on being outrageous and eventually harrasses a woman. Only after the harrasment has gone on for a ridiculous amount of time does one man try to stop him, at which point a bunch of other people also dare to intervene. This all seems to me to be either cheap symbolism or completely unbelievable behavior. The whole scene seems to me to be constructed only to make this simple point, in an overly obvious way. And when one doesn’t believe in the point, and there’s no ambiguity or mystery, the scene just ends up empty. This was sadly indicative of many scenes in the film: simple symbols or message hammered home.
The Art Gallery / Re: 4210 Strand
« Last post by WorldForgot on October 18, 2017, 02:30:39 AM »
OK, Xixax, Three More Episodes for Y'all,
in case you haven't been keeping track (but why would you?)
The latest, Ep 5 IF YOU SAY SO, was directed by WorldForgot/David Raygoza, shot on a blackmagic pocket.

Episode 3, ~ Nick Rasdal's stoner-centric episode of PsychAdelic!

Peek behind the curtain...
into Neil’s arena of alchemy...
MP4s pulled from the Mad Scientist's library!
Must be seen to believed!!
EPISODE 4, written by Angie Jones and directed by Daddy himself!

THEN the penultimate episode of PsychAdelic! ~
An episode about admitting when we've hurt our friends and the pictionary-esque nature of memory.
Written by Abi Smith and directed by meself.
The Grapevine / Annihilation
« Last post by Jeremy Blackman on October 18, 2017, 12:33:29 AM »

Written & directed by Alex Garland (Ex Machina), adapted from the novel.

Release: February 2018
Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Phantom Thread
« Last post by Alessio Gibbs on October 18, 2017, 12:31:51 AM »
I know this is impossible, but I'd be really happy if they didn't have a trailer or a poster. Slightly bummed that they released the synopsis a long time ago. Wanted to just walk into the movie theater with 0 knowledge.

I mean, look at how much buzz Louis CK's movie "I Love You, Daddy" created around the festival circuits, even though it was filmed in complete secrecy, didn't have a poster, trailer OR a synopsis until very recently.
DVD Talk / Re: Random DVD and Blu-ray announcements
« Last post by wilder on October 17, 2017, 08:57:32 PM »
January 2018 TBD

Martin Scorsese's Kundun (1997) on blu-ray from Kino

The incredible true story of one of the world's most fascinating leaders - Tibet's Dalai Lama - and his daring struggle to rule a nation at one of the most challenging times in its history.

December 12, 2017

Anthony Mann's Raw Deal (1948) on blu-ray from ClassicFlix

An escaped convict (Dennis O'Keefe) flees with his moll (Claire Trevor) and a social worker (Marsha Hunt) he loves.

The Small Screen / Re: Mindhunter
« Last post by polkablues on October 17, 2017, 03:56:13 PM »
Yeah, I pretty much agree. It's certainly not bad, it's just nowhere near as good as you'd like it to be. Groff and McCallaney are good, the actress from Fringe whose name escapes me at the moment is really good, the guy who plays Ed Kemper (the guy at the end of the clip wilder posted) is phenomenal. And I like the show's approach to the story; it's not really the "let's catch some killers" procedural I assumed it to be, it's more cerebral, more about how these characters are developing a new way of thinking about their investigations than about the investigations themselves. There is some crime-solving involved, but primarily to serve as obstacles to overcome in the evolution of their new methods.

But a lot of the writing is meh, the characterizations are inconsistent. ©brad is right about the song choices, there are some music drops in this show that will make you groan. The girlfriend character is a complete misfire. I don't think the woman who plays her is a very good actor, but it's hard to tell for sure because she's written so badly.
The Director's Chair / Re: Lars Von Trier
« Last post by Jeremy Blackman on October 17, 2017, 12:28:54 PM »
^ See above.

I guess I'm not totally surprised that Lars is/was such a creep. That doesn't make this less sad and disturbing, though. It feels especially horrible that Björk was his target. She and her work has meant a lot to me over the years, nearly as much as LVT's.

At the risk of viewing this through rose-colored glasses, I'm thinking about this part:

the director was fully aware of this game and i am sure of that the film he made after [Dogville] was based on his experiences with me . because i was the first one that stood up to him and didn't let him get away with it

and in my opinion he had a more fair and meaningful relationship with his actresses after my confrontation so there is hope

Dogville is the most hard-hitting, nuanced, empathy-producing film about sexual harassment and assault that I've ever seen. Is it possible that Lars was wrestling with his own horribleness and ended up self-loathing his way through that film?

It's like he wanted to view himself as Tom Edison, who had desires but believed he was noble. But Lars was actually more like Jack (the blind man). And of course Dogville is ultimately just as stinging in its indictment of Tom Edison. Dogville, by the end, is absolutely full of terrifying predatory men. That's basically the whole point of the movie.

I'm also reminded of Stellan Skarsgard in Nymphomaniac. That character seems like a caretaker but turns out to be a predator, which is such an ultimate betrayal. In the same way, a film director is supposed to take care of you and make you feel comfortable. When they turn out to be a predator, I can only imagine how that would feel seeing your safety net disappear, and you're in the hands of someone who just wants to use you.

Dogville and Antichrist are deeply feminist movies. Even Melancholia is feminist. (The men in that film are entitled, whiny, and completely useless.) And I keep thinking back to Bjork describing how strongly she pushed back against Lars and how she confronted him. I genuinely wonder how responsible she is for the creative trajectory of his career.
The Director's Chair / Re: Lars Von Trier
« Last post by Jeremy Blackman on October 17, 2017, 11:56:35 AM »
Quote from: Björk
i am inspired by the women everywhere who are speaking up online to tell about my experience with a danish director . because i come from a country that is one of the worlds place closest to equality between the sexes and at the time i came from position of strength in the music world with hard earned independence , it was extremely clear to me when i walked into the actresses profession that my humiliation and role as a lesser sexually harassed being was the norm and set in stone with the director and a staff of dozens who enabled it and encouraged it . i became aware of that it is a universal thing that a director can touch and harass his actresses at will and the institution of film allows it . when i turned the director down repeatedly he sulked and punished me and created for his team an impressive net of illusion where i was framed as the difficult one . because of my strength , my great team and because i had nothing to loose having no ambitions in the acting world , i walked away from it and recovered in a years time . i am worried though that other actresses working with the same man did not . the director was fully aware of this game and i am sure of that the film he made after was based on his experiences with me . because i was the first one that stood up to him and didn't let him get away with it

and in my opinion he had a more fair and meaningful relationship with his actresses after my confrontation so there is hope

let's hope this statement supports the actresses and actors all over

let's stop this

there is a wave of change in the world



Jeremy Blackman [15|Oct 01:24 PM]:   "Björk also states that she's 'sure' that the film that the director made next 'was based on his experiences with me'"
Jeremy Blackman [15|Oct 01:24 PM]:   That would be Dogville
Jeremy Blackman [15|Oct 01:25 PM]:   Which *spoiler* includes a lot of sexual harassment and assault

Drenk [15|Oct 02:29 PM]:   I think it will change a little bit for the better.
Drenk [15|Oct 02:30 PM]:   Less impunity.
Drenk [15|Oct 02:32 PM]:   Then men in power think they can do everything they want. And misoginy won't go.
Reelist [15|Oct 02:33 PM]:   Before things get better, Woody Allen needs to die
Drenk [15|Oct 02:38 PM]:   The thing is, having read articles about it, I know he hasn't been judged seriously, but I can't say I absolutely believed he raped his step-daughter.
Drenk [15|Oct 02:39 PM]:   I know Dylan Farrow says so. But adults thinking they have been raped in their childhood, fabricating the memory, is a thing.
Drenk [15|Oct 02:40 PM]:   I'm not defending Allen. I just don't know.
Drenk [15|Oct 02:42 PM]:   I don't even think it's about believing everyone. Victims should feel free to talk and should be taken seriously. But they can't talk because they risk their work/aren't taken seriously.
Reelist [15|Oct 06:42 PM]:   That's the real shift that's been happening, because Harvey Weinstein's victims were such high profile people
Drenk [15|Oct 06:45 PM]:   Yes, but Harvey Weinstein was such an extreme version of what is happening almost everywhere...and even *that* lasted for years...Even if victims will feel like people are on their side now, I think it won't cause a seismic change.
Drenk [15|Oct 06:46 PM]:   About it, I read a lot about the "crisis in masculinity". It's a real issue. I mean, Trump hasn't only been elected because people are racist.
Drenk [15|Oct 07:05 PM]:   Of course, it's not surprising that Donald Trump was very happy to brag about sexual harassment. On tape.
Drenk [15|Oct 07:06 PM]:   I remember watching him a few days before the election. He looked exhausted. And I thought: "Yeah. What's the point. It's the end. He's lost."
Drenk [15|Oct 07:06 PM]:   Well. He didn't.
Drenk [15|Oct 07:07 PM]:   It's still hard to believe that it happened. Something that I thought could definitely not happened.
Drenk [15|Oct 07:07 PM]:   Something insane.
Drenk [15|Oct 07:07 PM]:   It probably will never make sense.
Lottery [15|Oct 08:22 PM]:   That shit will puzzle me forever. Says more about his voters than anything, really. So perhaps it's not that puzzling, they're just shit people.

KJ [15|Oct 09:29 PM]:   that björk post freaks me out. trier is my favorite director after pta, and I have idolized him and watched his films over and over. so it definitely feels weird and unexpected to read that post. I don't know how to react.
KJ [15|Oct 10:47 PM]:   I will follow the news about it, because it should become a huge deal here in sweden and danmark. it's just so fucking weird. I always thought he seemed like a nice guy beneath the media act.
KJ [15|Oct 10:51 PM]:   I understand why björk didn't continued acting after that experience. she has always been framed to be the one that was hard to work with in documentaries and articles about the filming. that must have been horrible.

Drenk [16|Oct 09:27 AM]:   I'm not surprised by LVT. An alcoholic in a position of power...

Drenk [17|Oct 08:49 AM]:   Bjork details what LVT did in a new fb post

Quote from: Björk
in the spirit of #metoo i would like to lend women around the world a hand with a more detailed description of my experience with a danish director . it feels extremely difficult to come out with something of this nature into the public , especially when immediately ridiculed by offenders . i fully sympathise with everyone who hesitates , even for years . but i feel it is the right time especially now when it could make a change . here comes a list of the encounters that i think count as sexual harassment :

1 after each take the director ran up to me and wrapped his arms around me for a long time in front of all crew or alone and stroked me sometimes for minutes against my wishes

2 when after 2 months of this i said he had to stop the touching , he exploded and broke a chair in front of everyone on set . like someone who has always been allowed to fondle his actresses . then we all got sent home .

3 during the whole filming process there were constant awkward paralysing unwanted whispered sexual offers from him with graphic descriptions , sometimes with his wife standing next to us .

4 while filming in sweden , he threatened to climb from his room´s balcony over to mine in the middle of the night with a clear sexual intention , while his wife was in the room next door . i escaped to my friends room . this was what finally woke me up to the severity of all this and made me stand my ground

5 fabricated stories in the press about me being difficult by his producer . this matches beautifully the weinstein methods and bullying . i have never eaten a shirt . not sure that is even possible .

6 i didnt comply or agree on being sexually harassed . that was then portrayed as me being difficult . if being difficult is standing up to being treated like that , i´ll own it .


let´s break this curse


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