I think I read this a while back. Maybe it was Kubrick's wife who said it (I'm really not sure). Woody Allen was considered to play the role that eventually went to Tom Cruise in Eyes Wide Shut. He would have played a Jewish doctor. Did anyone else ever hear about this or did I just dream about it? Anyway, it's hard for me to think about Woody Allen doing this, but who knows, maybe he would have done a great job...
what the?
Damn..... I'm starting to get worried.... did I dream it? Geeez :?
probably. uh... hmm
trying not to laugh, here
LOL
Well, I'm stil hoping that someone will come along and back me up on this. However I did go to the trivia section of the film at IMDB and there is absoltutely nothing regarding this.
In Traumnovelle ,the character is Jew (and as I read, be jew is one strong factor in all the book history) but i also read that Kubrick told the screenwriter to take it of all the jew part for the script and Kubrick always had in mind Harrison Ford to play the role.
starting to make some sense now... hehe
i heard he wanted woody allen to do the sydney pollack role, originally.
Quote from: ewardi heard he wanted woody allen to do the sydney pollack role, originally.
And i read Harvey Keitel was going to be...in fact he dropped after wait too much for the production to start
Harvey Keitel was supposed to be Zeigler, but dropped out cause the production was taking too long. Jennifer Jason Lee ws supposed to be Marie, but was replaced during reshoots because she wasn't available.
Kubrick originally wanted Steve Martin to play Doctor Bill.
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Well, I'm stil hoping that someone will come along and back me up on this. However I did go to the trivia section of the film at IMDB and there is absoltutely nothing regarding this.
http://www.imdb.com/WN?20000529#4
From IMDB.
Could Woody Allen Have Replaced Tom Cruise?
STANLEY KUBRICK considered WOODY ALLEN for the main role in his final film Eyes Wide Shut (1999). The legendary NEW YORK director was thought of by Kubrick as one possible candidate for the role that TOM CRUISE went on to play in the film. Allen says, "He (Stanley Kubrick) never called me. Maybe in conversation he thought it was a good idea, but came to his senses somewhere along the line."
Yeyyyyy...... I'm not crazy after all. I knew I had read it somewhere.
Quote"He (Stanley Kubrick) never called me. Maybe in conversation he thought it was a good idea, but came to his senses somewhere along the line."
LOL. A very Woody Allen-ish answer.
Quote from: AKIn Traumnovelle ,the character is Jew (and as I read, be jew is one strong factor in all the book history) but i also read that Kubrick told the screenwriter to take it of all the jew part for the script and Kubrick always had in mind Harrison Ford to play the role.
I don't remember ever reading that he had Ford in mind, I do however remember that he made up the name of Dr. Harford with
Harrison
Ford's name. Do you remember where you read about this?
He indeed had thought at some point of Steve Martin as the good Doctor, also had in mind Woody Allen, then before having Tom and Nicole he thought of Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger but I think the studio executives wanted more star power in the film so he asked Sidney Pollack about Cruise's behavior on set, after telling him that TC was a professional well... the rest is history.
royal, consider my foot to be inserted in my mouth right about.. glnowpfhh
Quote from: FernandoDo you remember where you read about this?
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I just got in my hands the magazine: (portuguese version) of PREMIERE september/99.
And I can accept the idea of Woody Allen as Harford but Baldwin/ Bassinger? i don't think so...
the thought of Woody Allen in this movie may sound strange, but maybe not so ridiculous. after all, i never thought Robin Williams could do really serious drama, but he does it beautifully. but i'm very happy with tom cruise and nicole kidman together. it makes it more believable and more personal since they really were husband and wife.
Quote from: Sydneyi'm very happy with tom cruise and nicole kidman together. it makes it more believable and more personal since they really were husband and wife.
And i always thought they were perfect cuz they seem
fancy and cold* quite like the roles needed to be...
* in good way, of course.
Quote from: FernandoI don't remember ever reading that he had Ford in mind, I do however remember that he made up the name of Dr. Harford with Harrison Ford's name. Do you remember where you read about this?
Its spoken of a few times in Frederic Raphael's "Eyes Wide Open: A Memoir of Stanley Kubrick." Forgive me if the author or title are slightly wrong...or worse, if I've misread the text...
aw
Book sucked anyhow...
Glad Allen never got the role. He simply can't act. He can write and direct, but he can't act. Benefit of the doubt is given to him simply because he can say lines clearly and walk at the same time. His acting is a mess of hands moving in all directions to scare birds away. His speech is just his normal speech, a mess of neurotic disorders to fit every meal of every day during the week.
Harrison Ford would be have been proper in a sense he never seems to have much personality, as with Cruise's character in EWS. Harrison Ford just seems to typify average good looking American man. His movies usually are mundane dramas and action films and he only does little in all. Ultimately he still wouldn't have worked because he doesn't convey the first impression sexual image that Cruise does and has to display through out EWS.
I'm not sure how he saw Martin in the role either. Though, since it was the early 80s he had him pegged as starring, his vision and purpose was likely a lot different.
~rougerum
Back then he saw it as a sex comedy. He loved The Jerk.
Wasn't it a sex comedy anyhow?...
Quote from: mutinycoWasn't it a sex comedy anyhow?...
Yea, but without any spirit.
~rougerum
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetGlad Allen never got the role. He simply can't act. He can write and direct, but he can't act. Benefit of the doubt is given to him simply because he can say lines clearly and walk at the same time. His acting is a mess of hands moving in all directions to scare birds away. His speech is just his normal speech, a mess of neurotic disorders to fit every meal of every day during the week.
~rougerum
Completely desagree. Woody Allen CAN act, he's not Al Pacino, but he actually can act. The fact that he is, as he says, a very limited actor, doesn't mean he can't convey emotions and feelings that are human. Acting is not becoming someone else, is just being able to be in the situation so the audience believes it too. He was wrong for that part in EWS, but he's been right for most of the parts, if not all of the parts, he has played in the last 40 years...
IF WOODY HAD PLAYED DR. BILL HE WOULD'VE LEFT HIS WIFE FOR THE LITTLE GIRL AT RAINBOW COSTUMES!!!!!!
and rightly so
Fernando,
I still don't buy Woody Allen as an actor nor that definition of what an actor is. In Allen's case, he is essentially playing himself through out his movies. His limits of an actor mean that, he, himself, given the role, could likely only seem believable for a few roles when just playing himself. The duty of an actor is to seem believable as a character when stretching your talent. Allen is just stretching believability in order to rationalize that he could play the role.
Also, in his movies when he is on screen with others, he is so wound up in many cases that it completely goes against the tone of the movie. His energy and minor movements are so furious that he seems to have energy of everyone else in the scene combined. Just mute the TV and watch him interact in a movie with other people. Its the same routine over and over again and continually out of touch with how everyone else is acting. It's not to say he is always the only neurotic in the scene everytime, because he is not. He's just doesn't do it as an actor would at all and its easy to see it is because he's not an actor, he's just himself.
~rougerum
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetFernando,
I still don't buy Woody Allen as an actor nor that definition of what an actor is. In Allen's case, he is essentially playing himself through out his movies. His limits of an actor mean that, he, himself, given the role, could likely only seem believable for a few roles when just playing himself. The duty of an actor is to seem believable as a character when stretching your talent. Allen is just stretching believability in order to rationalize that he could play the role.
Also, in his movies when he is on screen with others, he is so wound up in many cases that it completely goes against the tone of the movie. His energy and minor movements are so furious that he seems to have energy of everyone else in the scene combined. Just mute the TV and watch him interact in a movie with other people. Its the same routine over and over again and continually out of touch with how everyone else is acting. It's not to say he is always the only neurotic in the scene everytime, because he is not. He's just doesn't do it as an actor would at all and its easy to see it is because he's not an actor, he's just himself.
~rougerum
yeah, but he's never tried to be anything but that, so why the complaints?
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetFernando,
I still don't buy Woody Allen as an actor nor that definition of what an actor is. In Allen's case, he is essentially playing himself through out his movies. His limits of an actor mean that, he, himself, given the role, could likely only seem believable for a few roles when just playing himself. The duty of an actor is to seem believable as a character when stretching your talent. Allen is just stretching believability in order to rationalize that he could play the role.
Also, in his movies when he is on screen with others, he is so wound up in many cases that it completely goes against the tone of the movie. His energy and minor movements are so furious that he seems to have energy of everyone else in the scene combined. Just mute the TV and watch him interact in a movie with other people. Its the same routine over and over again and continually out of touch with how everyone else is acting. It's not to say he is always the only neurotic in the scene everytime, because he is not. He's just doesn't do it as an actor would at all and its easy to see it is because he's not an actor, he's just himself.
~rougerum
I guess you meant Alexandro given the fact that he defended him as an actor, I only gave links proving SK once thought of him, but now that we're talking about it, Allen himself has claimed that if he hasn't acted for other directors is because he hasn't been asked, and the reason he gave about it is because he's only able to play two kinds of rolls, the intelectual or a smuggler (Small Time Crooks). So, in a way you're right, he has a limited range but he admits his limitations as an actor, and sure he doesn't have the acting skills of De Niro or Dustin but watch him is great.
Ack, sorry Fernando, name is way too similiar.
and Eward, the second paragraph is why for the complaints.
~rougerum
QuoteHe was wrong for that part in EWS
Well, he would be wrong for the part if he had played the same one that was written for Cruise. We're talking about Kubrick here. I mean, had he chosen Woody Allen to be in the movie, he'd written the part a bit differently, don't you agree?
Anyway, beeing a great Woody fan and all, I have 0 complaints here. Loved 'Eyes' and loved Cruise in the movie.
oh yeah, i certainly don't think woody would have been right for it, but i don't understand why some people think he is bad as an actor. the only time he has ever really acted differently than how we are used to seeing him is when he did The Front in 1976, and i thought he was great.
Thought Woody was at his acting best in "Crimes And Misdemeanors".
oh yeah, he was great in that, but he was still playing "woody", y'know? in the front he was quite different.
in scenes from a mall he was too, but we shouldn't talk about that.
Woody is the ultimate neurotic... i would have loved to see him play his usually role in EWS... of course that would have made it a completely different movie, but it could have been a dark comedy like Dr. Strangelove was... I could actually see Woody playing every Peter Sellers role in Dr. Strangelove... that would have been a sight to see!