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Re: The Master - NO SPOILERS
« Reply #1725 on: September 24, 2012, 03:25:38 PM »
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Do you want me to answer that? I can probably do it in a very-light-spoilers way.
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« Reply #1726 on: September 24, 2012, 03:38:29 PM »
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« Reply #1727 on: September 24, 2012, 03:55:30 PM »
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SOMEWHAT LIGHT SPOILERS

Most critics are reviewing the film on deadline after one viewing. (Dana Stevens, who saw it three times, being one of the great exceptions.) The Master is not digestible or reviewable or explainable in that frame, so I'm actually surprised there isn't more mixed reaction from critics. The movie is dense and sporadically withholding. It takes at least a few hours for the superficial elements to recede in your memory, and then surprising things start rising up, like certain scenes that suddenly become more meaningful when you put things together, not exactly like a puzzle, but like a dream that doesn't make sense until you remember everything.

But no, rest assured, the end is actually quite perfect.
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Re: The Master - NO SPOILERS
« Reply #1728 on: September 24, 2012, 11:40:40 PM »
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http://twitchfilm.com/2012/09/jason-gorbers-cineruminations-70mm-4k-and-the-master-split-personality.html

Really fascinating and in-depth article on the process of shooting on 65mm/35mm and the process of printing to 70mm, with comparisons between the 70mm projection and 4K projection. Good stuff!

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« Reply #1729 on: September 25, 2012, 12:40:06 AM »
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http://twitchfilm.com/2012/09/jason-gorbers-cineruminations-70mm-4k-and-the-master-split-personality.html

Really fascinating and in-depth article on the process of shooting on 65mm/35mm and the process of printing to 70mm, with comparisons between the 70mm projection and 4K projection. Good stuff!

No spoilers.

Okay so, that article claims that the 4K projection is as good as (or better than) the 70mm projection.

I saw a 4K projection of the film, which was amazing and seemed flawless to me. If I have a chance to see it in 70mm (which might happen), should I?
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Re: The Master - NO SPOILERS
« Reply #1730 on: September 25, 2012, 12:55:29 AM »
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^ If you can, for sure! It's still the way PTA intended and you'll be the first one on here to make the official comparison. I'm a wholehearted yes! You need to see it again anyways right?

Then go see it again on both..

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« Reply #1731 on: September 25, 2012, 12:55:54 AM »
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It kind of invalidates his opinion when he mentions cigarette burns dating the film.  Cigarette burns are on every *film*.  He should know this.  See it in 70mm if you can.  There is a difference, even if it's subconscious, between that and 4k or any digital projection.  They're two different mediums.

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Re: The Master - NO SPOILERS
« Reply #1732 on: September 25, 2012, 01:11:16 AM »
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Yes.

I haven't seen this in 4K, but I'm curious to. I have seen Samsara in 4K, which was shot in 65mm and is eschewing the 70mm prints. While it was flawless and all that, it also lacked an intensity that the 70mm print of Baraka that I saw had, which The Master also has. The flickering of the film, coupled with the sharpness of the image, lends an intense quality to it. It's NOT super smooth.

I saw The Master in 70mm in two different theaters and noticed the flickering both times, in the same way. I have the feeling that this would disappear in the 4K projection. It's why one could say that the 4K is objectively better. However, it also doesn't feel special. I was a little disappointed with that 4K of Samsara that I saw. There is something about the flickering image that makes me want to open my eyes wider and blink less. My eyes become hungrier and want to soak up as much detail as possible.

These things become part of the experience of watching the film. My experience and memory of the film is closely linked with that 70mm quality, flickering and all.

You're only going to get a short window of opportunity to see this in 70mm, so I think you owe it to yourself to see it while you can, at least to see what the fuss is about and to know you're seeing it the way that PTA would prefer. Lots of extra effort was made to bring these 70mm prints out into the world.

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« Reply #1733 on: September 25, 2012, 01:26:01 AM »
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Thanks, it's good to hear all of that. I hadn't read a comparison between 40k and 70mm before, so that really threw me off. I don't particularly have reservations about the flickering etc.

I found out today that a theater near Minneapolis might be showing it in 70mm this coming weekend. If they are, I will go. Not totally sure at the moment, because it's been removed from their website.
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Re: The Master - NO SPOILERS
« Reply #1734 on: September 25, 2012, 07:54:56 AM »
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We did one of these back in May. According to the dude I talked to it would take roughly between 8k-10k to replicate the quality of 70mm. So 4k is less than half of that information.

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Re: The Master - NO SPOILERS
« Reply #1735 on: September 25, 2012, 10:03:47 AM »
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I've made some changes to the title of this thread and the spoiler one as there seems to be too many fucking idiots who can't tell the difference.

I will ban the next person who posts spoilers here.

Thanks P, I've been avoiding this thread since the first previews so I've been stuck lurking in other threads for too long. Will hopefully (finally) be seeing the fil this weekend. Was holding out hope for a 70mm print to come to the DFW area, but it seems I'm going to have to just take what I can get - that is unless there's a nice convenient list of theatres showing it in 70mm somewhere online?

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Re: The Master - NO SPOILERS
« Reply #1736 on: September 25, 2012, 10:55:09 AM »
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We did one of these back in May. According to the dude I talked to it would take roughly between 8k-10k to replicate the quality of 70mm. So 4k is less than half of that information.

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/08/cigarettes-red-vines-presents-guide-to_8174.html

Ugh. Well now I'm just depressed. I got this email back from the theatre:

HI…Oh, it is all wrong. We were going to open it in digital format on 9/28, but Weinstein pushed it back a week to 10/5 which then screwed up our schedule so we are not going to play it at all now. But, my hope is that in the next 6 months to get my hands on one of the few 70mm prints they have made (if they have not been trashed by then) and do a limited 70mm run here in the twin cities.

Best

Tom.




My reply:

Thanks for the info. I will keep an eye on your website for that future screening! I saw the film at the Uptown in 4K but apparently it's just not the same.



His reply:

Well did you think it looked good? I have been digital here for 6 months and I think a lot of it looks pretty darn nice and I am just 2k. The 70 would look great, but since there are so few theaters that show 70 on a regular basis almost all new prints get trashed fairly quickly as no one knows how to handle it properly. The art of film projection truly is dying….Sad but very true.



My reply:

It looked amazing in 4K, but apparently it still doesn't compare to 70mm:

http://cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2012/08/cigarettes-red-vines-presents-guide-to_8174.html




Holding out for that mythical future screening I guess.

This, by the way, is the Heights Theatre, which was talked about as the ideal venue here for 70mm. (They play old 70mm films all the time, and they ran Samsara.)

Fun fact, this is also the place where I saw The Sea That Thinks during a Minneapolis/St. Paul International Film Festival many years ago. (The director was there and I got to say hi.)
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Re: The Master - NO SPOILERS
« Reply #1737 on: September 25, 2012, 09:12:14 PM »
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How often do you intend to do this? Will you be constantly reposting everything?

You seem to be actually quoting xixax members there, not just the links, so why not include the attribution? You just have to press the quote button and it does it for you.

Why did you randomly start at page 89?

If it's an attempt to aggregate every article associated with the master you're doing a piss poor job, there's a site called cigarettes and red vines that already does that. If you want to compete why don't you start a blog or something where you can just repost every single Google result for "untitled western project PTA," "the master PTA", or simply Paul Thomas Anderson ordered by date going back to 2007?

Have you thought this through at all?
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Re: The Master - NO SPOILERS
« Reply #1738 on: September 26, 2012, 12:33:42 AM »
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It wasn't an attempt at something grand, which I prefaced the post with. It was just a bad idea.  I apologize.
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« Reply #1739 on: September 26, 2012, 06:41:59 PM »
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Great Success!
Looks like Australia will get The Master in 70mm for a Special One Week Engagement! I'd like to thank everyone here who signed, and Modage for featuring it on Cigs & Red Vines.
Tickets will be on sale this weekend here: http://www.astortheatre.net.au/films/the-master


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Edit: Tickets are already on sale for the first 3 sessions on Sunday the 16th of December
I  bought tickets to the 8:00pm session on that day.

 

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