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The Director's Chair => Paul Thomas Anderson => Topic started by: panandscam on July 16, 2003, 10:35:23 PM

Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: panandscam on July 16, 2003, 10:35:23 PM
**SPOILERS INCLUDED**

I have been wondering ever since I created my own theory about the Frog Scene in Magnolia that if this was removed would the end seem at all believable, Would the ending be seen as a slack attempt to wrap up the story arc's in a hurry ? Personally I believe that its an amazing sequence of events.. but do the frogs make all the difference

i.e...

Drug addict  and Cop have relationship cemented
Cop Helps thief return the funds
Estranged son makes peace with father on his death bed
Ambulance taking Overdose Victim to hospital crashes and The victim survives 2 almost fatal incidents in one day
Suicide is stoped by 'act of god'
etc..

Thoughts anyone ?
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Alethia on July 16, 2003, 10:52:52 PM
yes but ironically enough i would have felt cheated
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Pubrick on July 17, 2003, 12:57:02 AM
ppl need to get over the frogs.
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on July 17, 2003, 07:34:05 AM
Panandscam, without the frog ending the entire prologue wouldn't have made sense.  "These things happen...." to paraphrase.  Plus, the movie just would not have been as unique and shocking without the rain of frogs.  IMO, anyway.
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Something Spanish on July 17, 2003, 08:51:56 AM
GOD. I hate it when people say: (In Pestering Tone of Voice) Take away the violence out of Movie X and what remains?

The only film that statement applies to is Boogie Nights. What would it be had PT not revealed Dirk's schlong. BO-RING.
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Pubrick on July 17, 2003, 09:20:21 AM
Quote from: Shaun DigiGOD. I hate it when people say: (In Pestering Tone of Voice) Take away the violence out of Movie X and what remains?
that's weird cos i was just watching the anime movie X

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and it woulda sucked without the violence.
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Rudie Obias on July 17, 2003, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Shaun Digi

What would it be had PT not revealed Dirk's schlong. BO-RING.

you must really have a horrible attention span if you thought BOOGIE NIGHTS was boring.  cinematic moron!
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on July 17, 2003, 10:57:49 AM
Ouch.  I think what he meant was the film would have been exciting w/o the cock shot, but it (like a Magnolia w/o frogs) would not have had as cool an ending.
Title: Re: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: markums2k on July 17, 2003, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: panandscamThoughts anyone ?

This is the dumbest thread I've seen in a long time.  But I like your name.  :-D

What would Magnolia be like without the frogs?  Who the fuck cares?  But one thing is for certain: We know what Magnolia would be like without Orlando Jones.
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Something Spanish on July 17, 2003, 03:02:06 PM
I think rudieob has never heard of the word sarcasm. Maybe because he is a jerk and a moron. I dunno.
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Alethia on July 17, 2003, 03:05:45 PM
Quote from: Shaun DigiI dunno.

yes you do.
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Pozer on July 17, 2003, 05:14:56 PM
Quote from: rudieob
Quote from: Shaun Digi

What would it be had PT not revealed Dirk's schlong. BO-RING.

you must really have a horrible attention span

Will the REAL moron here please shut up?!
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on July 17, 2003, 10:28:31 PM
Are you kidding?  Remove the frogs?  Seriously.  You never payed attention.  The 8:2's hidden everywhere lead to it.  There's a huuuge thread showing pics of it.  So what you're implying is take out all the 8:2's, as well?  

The reason I liked the frogs is because people who like movies liked that scene.  People who liked Fast and the Furious were like "Whoa! Frogs!  This is gay!  I wasted 3 hours!"  Why someone who didn't appreciate movies woudl watch Magnolia is beyond me, though.

In short...the frogs, i feel, seperated the fans from the uh...not fans.
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: aclockworkjj on July 18, 2003, 12:22:59 AM
I grew up in the country, there was a small stream, amongst a highway, me and my bud....used to catch frogs in the stream, and .....throw them on the highway.....cars and frogs, makes for a shitty Frogger game.....I feel like a smuck 'till this day......
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Rudie Obias on July 18, 2003, 09:49:07 AM
Quote from: Shaun DigiI think rudieob has never heard of the word sarcasm. Maybe because he is a jerk and a moron. I dunno.

sarcasm on the internet is like a dog with a gun.  no one knows where he got it and it's dangerous to everyone.
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Rudie Obias on July 18, 2003, 09:50:38 AM
Quote from: Ghoulardi GoonOuch.  I think what he meant was the film would have been exciting w/o the cock shot, but it (like a Magnolia w/o frogs) would not have had as cool an ending.

the cock shot is one of the best last shots in a movie ever!
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on July 18, 2003, 09:52:35 AM
Quote from: rudieob
Quote from: Ghoulardi GoonOuch.  I think what he meant was the film would have been exciting w/o the cock shot, but it (like a Magnolia w/o frogs) would not have had as cool an ending.

the cock shot is one of the best last shots in a movie ever!

If you say so.  I won't trample on personal preferences.  

:)
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Rudie Obias on July 18, 2003, 11:15:23 AM
Quote from: Ghoulardi Goon
Quote from: rudieob
Quote from: Ghoulardi GoonOuch.  I think what he meant was the film would have been exciting w/o the cock shot, but it (like a Magnolia w/o frogs) would not have had as cool an ending.

the cock shot is one of the best last shots in a movie ever!

If you say so.  I won't trample on personal preferences.  

:)

can you think of any better ones?  that sounds like an interesting topic of discussion.
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Myxo on July 19, 2003, 12:03:33 PM
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Quote from: Shaun DigiGOD. I hate it when people say: (In Pestering Tone of Voice) Take away the violence out of Movie X and what remains?
that's weird cos i was just watching the anime movie X

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and it woulda sucked without the violence.

No doubt. Samurai X kicks ass, but it would suck without all the sword gore.
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Vile5 on July 19, 2003, 08:04:57 PM
Quote from: rudieobsarcasm on the internet is like a dog with a gun.  no one knows where he got it and it's dangerous to everyone.

:roll:
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Sleepless on December 08, 2003, 06:26:06 AM
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Quote from: rudieob

the cock shot is one of the best last shots in a movie ever!

can you think of any better ones?  that sounds like an interesting topic of discussion.

I quite like the last shot in Donnie Darko, with Gretchin and that little kid waving. It's subtle but touching.
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: Sleepless on December 08, 2003, 06:28:03 AM
Quote from: Sleepless
Quote from: rudieob
Quote from: rudieob

the cock shot is one of the best last shots in a movie ever!

can you think of any better ones?  that sounds like an interesting topic of discussion.

I quite like the last shot in Donnie Darko, with Gretchin and that little kid waving. It's subtle but touching.

And 25th Hour! Okay, so I albsolutely love every frame of that movie, and it's not so much the last shot, but more the ending in general. To think that he fucked up his life so much (and the lives of those around him), and yet someone still cares so much about him. Wow. But yeah, that's gone of the subject so I'll shut up now.
Title: Take Away The Frogs!
Post by: kassius on December 10, 2003, 08:11:55 PM
New here. I must say that I agree.

I think one of the great things about the frog scene is that it seperated the movie from your average viewer.  It takes a certain kind of person to really appreciate the art in PTA's films.   As far as the F&TF crowd, I hear you!  I watched "Punch Drunk Love" with some friends of mine, into the teenage shoot-em up stuff, and they couldn't understand the passion behind the harmonium's element. They would have gone nuts over the frogs in... "Magnolia". Why bother?

Nobody else gets it... Maybe they are dense? Maybe they are dumb?

I don't know.  But I like his creative aspect.



Quote from: aClockworkWalrusAre you kidding?  Remove the frogs?  Seriously.  You never payed attention.  The 8:2's hidden everywhere lead to it.  There's a huuuge thread showing pics of it.  So what you're implying is take out all the 8:2's, as well?  

The reason I liked the frogs is because people who like movies liked that scene.  People who liked Fast and the Furious were like "Whoa! Frogs!  This is gay!  I wasted 3 hours!"  Why someone who didn't appreciate movies woudl watch Magnolia is beyond me, though.

In short...the frogs, i feel, seperated the fans from the uh...not fans.