i just read an article that said that "director's have no moral rights to their movies."
"Cutting sex, violence, and profanity from movies is normally considered censorship. But if studios and directors like Steven Spielberg and Steven Soderbergh win a copyright suit against 11 small companies that permit consumers to avoid such scenes, free speech will be the loser, not the victor."
that seems like some weird logic to me, i personally think it's cenorship, plain and simple.
"If I do it myself, it's a matter of choice, but if you do it, you're a censor and a parasite, living off someone else's work.''
--roger ebert, when talking to bill aho, ceo of ClearPlay.
so what do you guys think??? anyone actually seen one of these things???
I really don't understand this, what is going on? Explain more?
Quote from: cbrad4dI really don't understand this, what is going on? Explain more?
Some jackasses are cutting movies to shit then renting and/or selling them as "clean" versions. Now there's a lawsuit about it and the companies are bitching that they have the right to do this.
Oh, yeah. The third-party editing stuff is downright wrong. I hope they get sued into the ground for that.
Initially in scanning the original post (not reading, but skimming), I thought it might have been about filmmakers decreasing the amount of skin in their movies because of public pressure. I know I've seen a number of movies that would have been just as good without certain elements (very strong language or graphic sex scenes)... Certainly there are times when this sort of thing is called for in a movie to move the story and characters along, but sometimes it is simply gratuitous. That's when I really dislike it. If it's not needed, leave it out so I can watch it with my parents, yo...
Amen, my brothers.
You know that Blockbuster would latch onto this censorship thing as soon as it becomes legal.
:x
"Free Speech", in this case, means if you don't want to see the naughty bits, you don't have to watch the damn movie. Free speech has nothing to do with altering and/or distorting another person's copyrighted material.
Quote from: polkablues"Free Speech", in this case, means if you don't want to see the naughty bits, you don't have to watch the damn movie. Free speech has nothing to do with altering and/or distorting another person's copyrighted material.
Or even "if you don't want to see the naughty bits, wait until it runs on network t.v. it doesn't take that long for it to get there and the director occasionally at least gets to supervise the altering"
Quote from: polkabluesFree speech has nothing to do with altering and/or distorting another person's copyrighted material.
... and redistributing it, and makey money off it. It would be illegal if they added something to a movie and resold as their own, so how could it
not be illegal to cut up a movie and sell it as your own?
sorry i was away, i was painting a few more trees on my monet. you know, didn't think there were enough. now i have to go sell it and make a profit.
Yeah, I was just covering the Lady Justice statue's hot tit with a robe.
This shit's been going on forever. People can just be so fucking retarded.
yeah i hate people
The simple fact of the matter is that clean flicks is selling edited versions of property they don't own.
I have no problem with Mom & Dad purchasing a film and going home and editing for their children's viewing pleasure, it's their right to defame and deface their purchased property, but for a thrid party to edit films then redistribute them.
They're not taking VHS tapes they bought, using the splicer to cut the tape and put it back together, they're pressing discs and duping copies of things they have no legal right to do.
Michael
This is what they really should do, if they want to stay in business: Instead of selling the product, sell the service. Have people buy the movie on their own, bring it to you, and then you can edit it. That would be legitimate (though still immoral).
Jeremy - that's exactly the right idea. As a service ther e can be no qualm, if I wanted an edited version of "Goldmember" and I go out and buy it, I have the right to go home, dub in my voice saying "do I make you happy" and get on with my life, but to edit out sequences and make those moral decisions for everyone who wants a Prime Time TV friendly family cut of Boogie Nights, it's damnable I say!
As a PS - catch Boogie Nights on TNT sometime, they have a great sequence when the split screens happen and it's part of an early review of Dirk Diggler as it's read by Amber etc... There's a BJ shot of MarkyMark getting it on with Melora Walters and they put a little floating star over her head and it sort of bobs up and down, it's beautiful !!! Now that's comedy, a film about porn on edited TV...
The funniest edited for TV moment was when I was watching Cruel Intentions (a friend made me) and at the kissing scene in the park instead of saying "haven't you ever practiced on your girlfriends" Sara Michelle Gellar said "haven't you ever practiced on your pillow-friends?" Why would they chage it to pillow friends if they can still show the actual kiss?
I was watching Big Lebowski on TBS today and Maude goes, "and man can refer to his penis as a willy or dick or johnson." And then the scene where the nihilists throw the ferret in the bathtub comes and Karl Hungus says, "GIVE US THE MONEY OR WE'LL CUT OFF YOUR TOES!" instead of "WE'LL CUT OFF YOUR JOHNSON!" They'd already said it once before, why couldn't they say it there.
The FCC (or whoever's in charge of television censorship) has weird guidelines for editing the movies. In England, they don't care. I was watching network TV the other day and people were saying "fuck" and "shit." Osbournes is aired uncensored over there. American TV is bullshit. I pay extra for cable and I still have to deal with commercials and can't hear the word "johnson" uttered on TBS.
Quote from: bonanzatazI was watching Big Lebowski on TBS today and Maude goes, "and man can refer to his penis as a willy or dick or johnson." And then the scene where the nihilists throw the ferret in the bathtub comes and Karl Hungus says, "GIVE US THE MONEY OR WE'LL CUT OFF YOUR TOES!" instead of "WE'LL CUT OFF YOUR JOHNSON!" They'd already said it once before, why couldn't they say it there.
In context of the first sentence it could be interpreted as meaning a name whereas in the second it couldn't. It's kind of like how it's ok to say "ass" because it could be talking about a donkey but if they say "asshole" they bleep out hole.
censors are funny. in a pathetic way
From this week's Ebert Answer Man:
"Maybe the MPAA is finally getting things right. In today's Boston Globe they gave How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days a PG13 rating for 'profanity, sexual situations, and karaoke.' I don't mind kids hearing a little tasteful cussing, but karaoke? Never."
Haha.
Some of best TV variations of "Motherfucker":
Monster-Father
Monkeyfellow
Mustard-chucker (seriously)
When they show "Die Hard 2" on TV, they replace the word "fuck" with "joke":
"Officer McClane! Can I have a word?"
"You can have two; 'joke' and 'you'!"
And a gem from the TV version of "Usual Suspects":
"Give me the keys, you fairy godmother!"
Quote from: polkabluesSome of best TV variations of "Motherfucker":
Monster-Father
Monkeyfellow
Mustard-chucker (seriously)
mellon farmer (repo man)
Quote from: xerxessorry i was away, i was painting a few more trees on my monet. you know, didn't think there were enough. now i have to go sell it and make a profit.
ha ha.
this whole situation is just messed up. i don't think you could drum up a convincing argument FOR editing the films as clean versions. Is film an art form? then yes, you wouldn't be allowed to put a sock on the statue of David would you?
Quote from: polkabluesSome of best TV variations of "Motherfucker":
Monster-Father
Monkeyfellow
Mustard-chucker (seriously)
When they show "Die Hard 2" on TV, they replace the word "fuck" with "joke":
"Officer McClane! Can I have a word?"
"You can have two; 'joke' and 'you'!"
And a gem from the TV version of "Usual Suspects":
"Give me the keys, you fairy godmother!"
In The Breakfast Club, "Flip You!" was the replacement word for 'fuck'.
i've always liked "flippin,'" - commonly used in USA's edit of Casino. I also knew a kid in high school who used "flippin'" to edit himself...Proof that in America the FCC is all powerful.
Quote from: Fargo on FoxYou're there in thirty minutes or I find you, Jerry, and I shoot you, and I shoot your fruity wife, and I shoot all your little fruity children, and I shoot 'em all in the back of their little fruity heads. Got it?
u know that kinda ridiculous shit doesn't go on in most other countries, maybe in IRAQ or AFGHANISTAN..
censorship man.. here The Rules of Attraction has just been released, and it says "the uncut version", why would there be a cut version to begin with? fuckin ppl baffle me. ur not free.
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I'm starting to like british TV more and more, no commercials during the Simpsons, and when they show movies on TV they do not edit anything. It's great to hear 'fuck' on TV. They only have 5 channels though...
Quote from: cbrad4dThey only have 5 channels though...
Not if you get SKY. 300 channels, baby.
did anyone watch Leno last nite? i couldnt' figure out if it was a repeat or what, Dennis Miller recycled a joke and they had a little black girl on it again. well anyway, when t.A.T.u performed at the end, the two chicks were doing a long kiss when they cut away to the guitarist for a minute.. maybe u already knew. it would explain why arsenio kissed jay at the end.
they're good. dunno if u'll see the 'uncut' video..
Quote from: Pdid anyone watch Leno last nite? i couldnt' figure out if it was a repeat or what, Dennis Miller recycled a joke and they had a little black girl on it again. well anyway, when t.A.T.u performed at the end, the two chicks were doing a long kiss when they cut away to the guitarist for a minute.. maybe u already knew. it would explain why arsenio kissed jay at the end.
they're good. dunno if u'll see the 'uncut' video..
I saw that. I don't think it was a repeat. NBC definitely cut away from the kiss. When they did cut back to the girls after a looooooong shot of the guitarist, one of them was licking her lips. They are scheduled to be on Jimmy Kimmel's show tonight and on MTV on Monday's TRL.
Am I'm I the only one who thinks that T.A.T.U. is totally manufactured? What other reason would they have for kissing every two seconds? I guess it worked, though. They wouldn't be getting any attention if it weren't for the kissing thing.
They ARE totally manufactured. Nobody's trying to hide it. They were created by a couple of old white guys in suits.
Aren't all pop acts manufactured nowadays? One of the biggest shows on TV is American Idol. Hell, even The Beatles were the brainchild of Brian Epstein.
I wasn't really referring to their music (which is obviously manufactured) but more to their image. I just don't think they would be popular if their managers hadn't told them "pretend to be lesbians and make out in public every chance you get." It's a tad annoying, but I'm sure most of you boys don't mind at all.
this thread changed sujects while my back was turned
... :?
Quote from: BonBon85Am I'm I the only one who thinks that T.A.T.U. is totally manufactured? What other reason would they have for kissing every two seconds? I guess it worked, though. They wouldn't be getting any attention if it weren't for the kissing thing.
Of course they are manufactured and they did a good job of it. When I first heard of them I was like "YOUNG LESBIAN RUSSIAN POP DUO!?" so I did a little research to this interesting topic only to find "The girls have never gone on record admitting to being lesbian.... blah blah blah" What a let down.
Quote from: BonBon85I wasn't really referring to their music (which is obviously manufactured) but more to their image. I just don't think they would be popular if their managers hadn't told them "pretend to be lesbians and make out in public every chance you get." It's a tad annoying, but I'm sure most of you boys don't mind at all.
i don't mind. it's nothing new, maybe it's offensive to sum chicks but most admit it's a great marketing strategy.
Duck Sauce, the name translates to This Girl Likes That Girl and who cares if they havn't gone on record, they sure act it, and are at least bi. and around my age so it's ok if i get off on it. :shock:
Yeah, I don't find it offensive. I thinks it's funny nobody's tried this strategy before. And Pubrick, I always assumed you were older for some reason - learn something new everyday.
The bee has wisdom beyond its years.
Quote from: BonBon85I thinks it's funny nobody's tried this strategy before.
Femme 2 Femme. Early to mid-Nineties, I guess. Shitty music (I mean,
really shitty), but I think they were the first group to go with the "Look! A bunch of lesbians! Singing!" angle.
Anyway, yeah... movies edited for content... bad.... um... hm. :oops:
Quote from: polkablues
Anyway, yeah... movies edited for content... bad.... um... hm. :oops:
way to bring it back man... :lol:
Quote from: BonBon85Am I'm I the only one who thinks that T.A.T.U. is totally manufactured? What other reason would they have for kissing every two seconds? I guess it worked, though. They wouldn't be getting any attention if it weren't for the kissing thing.
This is pretty interesting despite the source....
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003061831,00.html
Quote from: polkabluesAnyway, yeah... movies edited for content... bad.... um... hm. :oops:
This reminds of Metropolis (1921..I think) wasn't this movie edited for contend. Can anyone tell me why?........politics?
Seeing two "lesbians" who sing popular "music" kiss on national television is so important in a democracy. The latest Russian contribution to high art. :oops: :roll: :cry:
It is sort of entertaining, btw that article is worth the look just for the pictures.
Quote from: Duck SauceIt is sort of entertaining, btw that article is worth the look just for the pictures.
i dunno, i saw some of their fansites with even hotter pictures and.. damn, i guess most ppl don't get to do chicks while they're this age. i guess that's why.
saw them on tv today... they sure do like to make-out don't they???
DVD player can excise sex, violence, language
Wal-Mart and Kmart will sell a filtering RCA machine, but directors' guild objects. From Associated Press
People wanting to automatically mute the foul language in "Seabiscuit" or skip the violence in "The Patriot" have a new option: a DVD player from RCA that filters content deemed objectionable.
Thomson, which owns the RCA brand, will sell the players in some Wal-Mart and Kmart stores as well as on Wal-Mart's website starting this month even as the filtering software they employ faces a legal challenge from Hollywood.
The filtering software is from ClearPlay, which had offered it previously for watching DVDs on computers and began talking to RCA last year about a stand-alone player.
The partners are hoping the current stir over broadcast decency, spurred by Janet Jackson's breast-baring Super Bowl show, will help boost sales.
The DVD player carries a suggested retail price of $79 and will ship with 100 filters for movies such as "Daredevil" and "Pirates of the Caribbean."
Filters for newer releases are available each week through a monthly subscription of $4.95.
The Directors Guild of America contends that "it is a violation of law and just wrong to profit from selling software that changes the intent of movies you didn't create and don't own."
The DGA and studios filed suit in 2002 against ClearPlay and a Colorado store that uses its own software to decode a DVD, alter it for content, then burn a new, edited version back onto a DVD for rental. The lawsuit is still pending.
Quote from: RegularKarateQuote from: cbrad4dI really don't understand this, what is going on? Explain more?
Some jackasses are cutting movies to shit then renting and/or selling them as "clean" versions. Now there's a lawsuit about it and the companies are bitching that they have the right to do this.
i interested to see what kind of people ENJOY watching those masacred movies. Do they stare at the TV, just to say:
I've see von Trier, he is my favourite director. I'm nice and smart person who is interested in art and sport. blahblah...
If you want a clean movie, rent The Straight Story instead of trying to edit Austin Powers 2 or something.
Congressional DVD Family Filter Bill Moves
A bill that would let parents and children filter the curse words, sex scenes and violence out of movie DVDs moved closer to approval by Congress on Wednesday.
The House Judiciary Committee on voice vote gave the legislation its endorsement, sending it to the full House.
The Senate passed the bill earlier this year. If representatives now pass it without changes, it would go to President Bush for his signature.
The legislation was introduced because Hollywood studios and directors had sued to stop the makers and distributors of technology for DVD players that would skip movie scenes deemed offensive. The movies' creators had argued that changing the content would violate their copyrights.
But the legislation would create an exemption in the copyright laws to make sure companies that offer the technology like ClearPlay, a Salt Lake City business, won't get sued out of existence.
"These days, I don't think anyone would even consider buying a DVD player that doesn't come with a remote control," said Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas. "Yet there are some who would deny parents the right to use an equivalent electronic device to protect their children from offensive material."
In addition, the bill, called the Family Entertainment and Copyright Act, would create new penalties for criminals who use small videocameras to record and sell bootlegged copies of first-run films.
If the bill becomes law, people convicted of using cameras to bootleg movies could face as much as three years in federal prison plus fines, with the sentence doubling to six years upon a second conviction.
It also would reauthorize a Library of Congress program dedicated to saving rare, culturally significant works.
"The films saved by the program do not enjoy the protection of big studios," said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. "Rather, the act will help to preserve avant-garde works, home movies, silent-era films, and other treasures that shed a great deal of light on America's past."
Quote from: MacGuffinCongressional DVD Family Filter Bill Moves
"These days, I don't think anyone would even consider buying a DVD player that doesn't come with a remote control," said Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas. "Yet there are some who would deny parents the right to use an equivalent electronic device to protect their children from offensive material."
Fucking idiot. :hammer:
If parents were actually watching the movies with their kids, and using the remote to skip scenes they didn't want the kids to see, nobody would
want a DVD player that makes those decisions for you.
Of course, I wouldn't expect our current government to have any respect for the rights of an artist. They just scream "What about the children?" and draw over the art with a black magic marker.
2LB
Court rules against sanitizing films
Sanitizing movies on DVD or VHS tape violates federal copyright laws, and several companies that scrub films must turn over their inventory to Hollywood studios, an appeals judge ruled.
Editing movies to delete objectionable language, sex and violence is an "illegitimate business" that hurts Hollywood studios and directors who own the movie rights, said U.S. District Judge Richard P. Matsch in a decision released Thursday in Denver.
"Their (studios and directors) objective ... is to stop the infringement because of its irreparable injury to the creative artistic expression in the copyrighted movies," the judge wrote. "There is a public interest in providing such protection."
Matsch ordered the companies named in the suit, including CleanFlicks, Play It Clean Video and CleanFilms, to stop "producing, manufacturing, creating" and renting edited movies. The businesses also must turn over their inventory to the movie studios within five days of the ruling.
"We're disappointed," CleanFlicks chief executive Ray Lines said. "This is a typical case of David vs. Goliath, but in this case, Hollywood rewrote the ending. We're going to continue to fight."
CleanFlicks produces and distributes sanitized copies of Hollywood films on DVD by burning edited versions of movies onto blank discs. The scrubbed films are sold over the Internet and to video stores.
As many as 90 video stores nationwide — about half of them in Utah — purchase movies from CleanFlicks, Lines said. It's unclear how the ruling may effect those stores.
The controversy began in 1998 when the owners of Sunrise Family Video began deleting scenes from "Titanic" that showed a naked Kate Winselt.
The scrubbing caused an uproar in Hollywood, resulting in several lawsuits and countersuits.
Directors can feel vindicated by the ruling, said Michael Apted, president of the Director's Guild of America.
"Audiences can now be assured that the films they buy or rent are the vision of the filmmakers who made them and not the arbitrary choices of a third-party editor," he said.
Hooray!
A Legal Way To Censor Movies?
San Francisco-based Cuts Inc. has unveiled a software product, which it is offering free, that will allow individuals to censor their own movies "legally." In a statement, the company said, "With the Cuts Player and Cuts' online Directory service, users can post their own edits, as well as navigate through a variety of categories and lists of popular Cuts made by others." What makes the system legal, the company claims, "is that the edits people make never alter the original video. Instead, Cuts generates a set of instructions, called 'Cutlists', which implement the edits on the fly any time the video is played back with the Cuts Player software. Viewers must have the original video in order to view the edited version." In July, a court ruled against CleanFlicks, a company that edited DVDs to remove sex scenes and bad language on the grounds that it caused "irreparable injury to the creative artistic expression in the copyrighted movies."
50 Strangest Censored Movie Lines:
http://www.totalfilm.com/features/50-strangest-censored-movie-lines