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I'll keep this short, so you can go out and buy the album as soon as possible.

Damien Rice - O

Absolutely Spectacular. Not a bad song on it. I f you want to know what kind of music is on it, think Irish trad, but slightly more mainstream.

In short, buy it.

So far, best album I've heard of 2003 is White Stripes' Elephant.
Zwan and Pete Yorn were good as well.

officially it's 2002, but this is still gettin severe playtime on my discman/playlist: Neon Golden by the Notwist.

no one else is feelin it??

they kinda have a radiohead vibe. trashing days is a wicked song. I have that and pilot downloaded on my computer back home, don't have the album yet though. what's the rest of the album like?

Quote from: cbrad4dthey kinda have a radiohead vibe. trashing days is a wicked song. I have that and pilot downloaded on my computer back home, don't have the album yet though. what's the rest of the album like?

radiohead vibe indeed, much more playful tho, user friendly even.. the rest is sorta the same, check out Solitaire, the title track, One with the Freaks, and well the whole thing is ekzellent,., it's the kinda stuff i like to hear when i need to be poked, not pusshed tho, poked. i dunno, the songs are real fresh.

i wasn't expecting anyone else to like em  :shock:

Officially 2002, but I only bought it like a month ago or so - Beck -Sea Change. The depth of music in this album makes it only more rewarding and interesting with every listen. Only album I bought from this year has been White Stripes' album, Elephant, which is great too. The most anticipated release for me this year is the new album from Outkast, which has been said to come out in May, but I have heard nothing new since that initial annoucement.

~rougerum

Calexico - Feast of Fire
Zwan
Yo La Tengo - Summer Sun

:shock:

This only reminds me how behind I am on music. The last thing I bought was the new Nick Cave album, which was good but not great.

Gotta get White Stripes. The albums I'm most anticipating (i.e. will be at the store when it opens the day they're released) are the new Outkast, Radiohead and Fiona Apple discs. Gonna be a good summer (although I hear FA has been pushed to fall).

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stop it.

I need to do some serious catch up as well... been real poor lately, but evidently so has everyone else (no one is buying albums anymore)...

Most recent fav is Phrenology, which I didn't buy... just downloaded, but they deserve my fifteen bucks, so I'm gonna buy it anyway.

Mos Def gonna get Outkast and Radiohead... I don't really keep up on what's gonna come out, so I just recently found out about Outkast, there's probably a few others I'll really want coming out to that I won't realize until they've been out for a week or so....

I'll Check out this Damien Rice fella tho... be a download choice next time I'm gathering writin' music.

Phrenology is phan-phucking-tastic.

Jesus, that was lame. But true.

Quote from: GhostboyPhrenology is phan-phucking-tastic.

Jesus, that was lame. But true.

damn yeah, one of the best albums ive heard in a long long time and probably my fave roots album. the tracks featuring jill scot make my tears float.

The year is not over yet...I may reply later..maybe not...who knows for sure??

Doubt Led Zepplin's coming out with anything new anytime soon.

Quote from: RegularKarateDoubt Led Zepplin's coming out with anything new anytime soon.

http://billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1867151

But yeah, Zep is the real deal...influenced every band after them in much the same way The Beatles do.  "The Song Remains The Same" still holds up.

Hookah Brown cood b good tho.

Elephant is fucking amazing, can't wait for night four of the White Stripes on Conan tonight...missed the first night, damn...

Have anybody heard the new Calexico album?......If not check it out!

White Stripes' Elephant so far. Although I'm sure that Radiohead's and The Stokes' new ones will better it when they're released later this year.

Mogwai - Happy Songs for Happy People

it's actually better than Radiohead :oops:

Athlete – Vehicles and Animals is cool.

The new Blur album Think Tank arrived this morning just before I left for work, it might be good maybe not. I’ll tell ya later.

Quote from: penfold0101Athlete – Vehicles and Animals is cool.

The new Blur album Think Tank arrived this morning just before I left for work, it might be good maybe not. I'll tell ya later.

Athlete? Do they have the song that goes "Oh, it's gettin' hot in here, must be somethin' in the at-mos-phere"?

I've heard that the new Blur album is mediocre, but I can't pass judgement if I've never heard it.

I've always been an Oasis man, myself. It's always either Blur or Oasis, isn't it?

This might be 2002, but it's late 2002:  David Poe's "The Late Album".

i have pretty high hopes for that new tomahawk album. it should be released today. i really hope it will turn out as a major step forward much alike the fanthomas project.

also, does anyone have anything on the that new portishead album? i heard somewhere they should release it sometime this year. ill definatly be there.

...and the new blur album can lick my balls.

I'm hoping that Radiohead keep up the good work and make a truly fantastic album this year.

Quote from: -dazza-I'm hoping that Radiohead keep up the good work and make a truly fantastic album this year.

You didn't hear the internet leaked premastered version?  Well if you've made it this long then just go ahead and wait, but let me tell you that HTTT is a truly fantastic album in my opinion

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Quote from: -dazza-I'm hoping that Radiohead keep up the good work and make a truly fantastic album this year.

You didn't hear the internet leaked premastered version?  Well if you've made it this long then just go ahead and wait, but let me tell you that HTTT is a truly fantastic album in my opinion

I didn't listen to the leaks enough to really form an opinion as an album...but it really wet my appetite for new Radiohead material.  I'm sure the album will be stellar.

yes, their album will be great... and i will be seeing them this summer... and that will also be great

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Quote from: -dazza-I'm hoping that Radiohead keep up the good work and make a truly fantastic album this year.

You didn't hear the internet leaked premastered version?  Well if you've made it this long then just go ahead and wait, but let me tell you that HTTT is a truly fantastic album in my opinion

I considered downloading it, but I decided to wait 'cos I wanted to wait until it was completely finished, with packaging an' all.

That and being on a 56k connection.

Quote from: -dazza-I considered downloading it, but I decided to wait 'cos I wanted to wait until it was completely finished, with packaging an' all.

You won't be disappointed. It's definitely the best album of the year.

There There has already  hit the radio and it sounded almost exactly as the premastered version, so I'm assuming the album won't be all that different from the leaked version (which is amazing)

Quote from: RegularKarateThere There has already  hit the radio and it sounded almost exactly as the premastered version, so I'm assuming the album won't be all that different from the leaked version (which is amazing)

I don't know. The more I listen to HTTT, the more I dislike the sound quality. There are a lot of tracks that could sound much better, like Punch-Up and Sit Down Stand Up. But some tracks like I Will can't get much better.

i hate EMO garbage -- whenever i hear it, i think of dean martin splashing a dry martini in the face some little pouty whiny emo rocker--just thought i'd share that with you.

Quote from: cowboykurtisi hate EMO garbage -- whenever i hear it, i think of dean martin splashing a dry martini in the face some little pouty whiny emo rocker--just thought i'd share that with you.

I would pay a lot of money to see Dean Martin invade some EMO band concert. The comedy meter would explode.

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Quote from: cowboykurtisi hate EMO garbage -- whenever i hear it, i think of dean martin splashing a dry martini in the face some little pouty whiny emo rocker--just thought i'd share that with you.

I would pay a lot of money to see Dean Martin invade some EMO band concert. The comedy meter would explode.

imagine sammy davis jr. kicking some emo rocker in the shin, with a shiny pair of hush puppies -- im pretty sure id laugh.

I hate the term EMO... short for emotional... real swift... music should always be emotional... what the fuck?

I would never say "I listen to Emo"... I didn't even really know what it was until a year or two ago (and I still couldn't tell you what it was without just saying it's what alternative music calls itself now).... how long has that term been around and who's fucking idea was it?

I also think saying that you hate Emo is kind of unfair to a lot of bands who may be grouped into that category just because a large majority of their fans dress a certain way.

Quote from: RegularKarateI hate the term EMO... short for emotional... real swift... music should always be emotional... what the fuck?

I would never say "I listen to Emo"... I didn't even really know what it was until a year or two ago (and I still couldn't tell you what it was without just saying it's what alternative music calls itself now).... how long has that term been around and who's fucking idea was it?

I also think saying that you hate Emo is kind of unfair to a lot of bands who may be grouped into that category just because a large majority of their fans dress a certain way.

Agree 100%

Quote from: RegularKarateI also think saying that you hate Emo is kind of unfair to a lot of bands who may be grouped into that category just because a large majority of their fans dress a certain way.

It's easy to group emo into one big cliche. All I know is that I hate the section of emo that is like that clip from the commercial for the Dashboard Confessional unplugged album I saw. All of these whiny sounding kids were sitting around chanting along to that pathetic Chris Cawhatshisname singing. It was horrifying. I could not believe my eyes and ears. Those kids will end up just like those who were older than 12 and into New Kids On The Block - eventually totally embarrassed that they were into such garbage.

Quote from: RegularKarateThere There has already  hit the radio and it sounded almost exactly as the premastered version

not even, duuk. the premastered version is heaps slower and has about 3 instruments and sounds like it was recorded in a suitcase. the real version is dope tho.

Quote from: RegularKarateThere There has already  hit the radio and it sounded almost exactly as the premastered version

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not even, duuk. the premastered version is heaps slower and has about 3 instruments and sounds like it was recorded in a suitcase. the real version is dope tho.

well, I was listening to it in my car, which is noisy, so I may be wrong, but I didn't notice any real difference... I'm sure once I hear the whole album  though...

and thanks for the tip on The Notwist, from what I've downloaded, they sound like something I could really get into.

Quote from: RegularKarateI hate the term EMO... short for emotional... real swift... music should always be emotional... what the fuck?

I would never say "I listen to Emo"... I didn't even really know what it was until a year or two ago (and I still couldn't tell you what it was without just saying it's what alternative music calls itself now).... how long has that term been around and who's fucking idea was it?

I also think saying that you hate Emo is kind of unfair to a lot of bands who may be grouped into that category just because a large majority of their fans dress a certain way.

the emo thing is kinda new to me too. heard some english chicks talking about it. what kind of music is it exactly?

... my favorites this year so far are:

1. Black Box Recorders's (http://www.indian.co.uk/artists/bbr/index.htm) brilliant Passionoia (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008BXH3/ref=sr_aps_music_1_1/026-8708977-7254031).

2. White Stripes.

3. Blur.

4. The Coral.

...and I am fed up with Radiohead's self-indulgence. Sonic Youth have been pushing that thing forward for years; it's demeaning for a perfectly good band to feel they have to try to play catch-up with something they're clearly not very good at.

What are you going on about?

and welcome

Quote from: RegularKarateI hate the term EMO... short for emotional... real swift... music should always be emotional... what the fuck?

I would never say "I listen to Emo"... I didn't even really know what it was until a year or two ago (and I still couldn't tell you what it was without just saying it's what alternative music calls itself now).... how long has that term been around and who's fucking idea was it?

i believe emo is original a short way of saying emocore and that it as a genre is an outburst from the hardcore punk genre. just working as a kind of oposite related genre to hardcore, and has music videos, catchy choruses and takes no distance to being comercial. a perfect musical exsample of all this is glassjaw.

after that, i guess its evolved into being everything malternative melodic rock.

Thanks for the welcome.

What am I going on about...? I'm not sure I understand the question, but I'll try:

I used to really love Radiohead. After The Bends, I would've told you that I'd wait in line to buy any new album of theirs. Then came OK Computer, which I found... merely OK (sorry, couldn't think of anything wittier). But after Kid A, I refused to buy anything else. Why? Let's just say I think Johnny Rotten trampling around the streets of London in '75 with an "I Hate Pink Floyd" t-shirt was more interesting than anything Pink Floyd ever did.

I have a saying (to which I unfortunately owe that silly "don't trust anyone over 30" nonsense): Don't trust any so-called pop song over 3 minutes. You're likely to end up with a lot of self-indulgent noodling and a depressing dearth of style or personality.

I still don't get it.  Are you saying Radiohead is pop music?  You don't like songs over 3 minutes?  That's ridiculous to me

What I'm saying is:

To go from making tight (still over the "classic" 3-minute structure of the pop song, but worth it), focused, relatively direct music, as they did earlier on, to these recent third-rate prog-rock dronescapes seems to be something they're doing for themselves out of some sort of "artistic" intention, and it feels like a betrayal- much more so than the recent stuff of Blur, who managed to far remove themselves from their full-fledged catchiness while still retaining some hint of melodic interest. Maybe the members of Radiohead should become abstract painters, where this sort of impulse has led more people to become more fruitful and produce works of more beauty. It just doesn't work for me on record from a rock (god, I hate that word- I shall call it "pop," any creative work that's mass-produced for consumers is pop by my definition) band.

I'm not saying I don't like any song over 3 minutes; there'd just better be a damn good reason. If, in well under 3 minutes, the Beatles can do with "Eleanor Rigby" or The Smiths can do with "Panic" more than Radiohead has managed to babble on about and navel-gaze upon over 3 albums, I think they owe us an explanation. Drugs? Pretension? Self-indulgence? All? None? They take themselves too seriously now, and I think THAT's the reason. Even PJ Harvey can crack a joke every once in a while.

The reason I brought up the Johnny Rotten thing is because if there has be a binary (and there really doesn't, but...) then Sex Pistols vs. Pink Floyd is one I'm happy to take sides in, 'cos they're two quite opposite takes on pop music- what it should be, what it should sound like, what the misconceptions about it are. And if you don't think The Sex Pistols can rightly be called "pop," then I can't have a conversation with you.

Fair enough, I like the Pistols, but I don't think they ever did a song that even compares to Pigs On The Wing (or anything from Animals), Wish You Were Here, or Time. But I love long drawn out stuff. That's why I like Led Zep live, and don't really give two shits about the Beatles.

The Beatles are very overrated... they're all about "Eleanor Rigby" and the early singles for me. But give me the non-overratable Kinks or The Ronettes (or almost any Spector side, for that matter) over bloated, lumbering Dinosaur Zep any day!

You could never call me a muso, though. I don't care about technical proficiency. I'm more or less post-punk in my views on pop music, and Radiohead seems to have regressed to something very pre-punk; in fact, to the very same thing punk was invented to demolish, or at least shame.

And I'm not against sonic experimentation- I love Sonic Youth and Godspeed You Black Emperor and an assortment of other bands who try to stretch the limits of what a pop song can be. Radiohead just doesn't seem to be doing anything on that level of interest.

I really like your Spielberg quote, by the way.

I guess I'm giving myself away in this thread as someone who enjoys inflammatory, take-no-prisoners quotes like "I Hate Pink Floyd" a little too much...

I agree, Radiohead aren't going for that level of interest: they're still just writing great songs with great melodies which happen to be also more interesting (or, shall we just say, 'unusual') than their previous stuff. I don't think it's fair to compare Radiohead to Sonic Youth or Godspeed You (both of whom I love) - they're not really going for the same thing: Radiohead are just inspired now particularly by the Warp Records scene and are therefore using more electronica... Bottom line is: I still think they are writing wonderful pop songs - and this songwriting has been improving ever since the Bends. If it wasn't I wouldn't buy their records - I'm not interested in listening to something purely because I've never heard anything like it before. They're bringing their knowledge of how to write great tunes to the electronica genre (although I don't think I would actually place them in that category), and producing something original in that way...

Quote from: godardianI really like your Spielberg quote, by the way.

I guess I'm giving myself away in this thread as someone who enjoys inflammatory, take-no-prisoners quotes like "I Hate Pink Floyd" a little too much...

Our very own Cecil is responsible for that brilliance (the quote).


Naw, I love take-no-prisoners stuff, it's just that I happen to like Floyd. But inflammatory quotes are what make the world go round! It's all good.

"It's all good" is, in fact, the most inflammatory quote of all. Can you even begin to imagine what Johnny Rotten would make of that??

I forgot to mention a newer release that's one of my favorites of 2003 so far:

Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Fever to Tell.

It's not as great as I'd hoped after the EP, but it's extremely cool nonetheless.

I've heard a lot about them. Can you descibe what their sound is like? As in a "band meets band" kinda example.

Quote from: RegularKarateI hate the term EMO... short for emotional... real swift... music should always be emotional... what the fuck?

I would never say "I listen to Emo"... I didn't even really know what it was until a year or two ago (and I still couldn't tell you what it was without just saying it's what alternative music calls itself now).... how long has that term been around and who's fucking idea was it?

I also think saying that you hate Emo is kind of unfair to a lot of bands who may be grouped into that category just because a large majority of their fans dress a certain way.

i agree -- im just referring to bands that try to fit into the "emo" scene -- why conciously try to fit into a genaralized populous?

They're like White Stripes meets very early Siouxsie Sioux, with a big dash of Lydia Lunch.

I don't think it is fair to say that a pop song cannot be over 3 minutes and still be good.  Or either to generally say that.

Example:  Bohemian Rhapsody

Also...The Beatles are not overrated
and Radiohead shouldn't be criticized for not doing the same thing over and over.  Every one of their albums have been different, but they still command a certain sense of authorship that lets you know it is Radiohead.

I actually never did say that. I said (tongue in cheek) that I don't trust them, meaning that a pop song over 3 minutes has more work to do to convince me it's worthwhile. And I certainly don't think Radiohead warrant that much of my time.

Long songs (well over 5 minutes) I love:

"Wickerman" - Pulp

"Marquee Moon" - Television

"Station to Station" - David Bowie

"Land" - Patti Smith

"Jenny Ondioline" - Sterolab

Sympathy For The Devil

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2. White Stripes

3. Blur.

4. The Coral.

Elephant is alright.  Not quite as good as the last one, which itself was just alright.

Think Tank has some of Blur's best work and some of its dullest.  A good album overall, but nothing to get that excited about.

The Coral album came out stateside in 2002 and has been out in the UK for  quite a while longer.  It's decent record and an excellent debut.

Some of my favorites from 2003:

Alaska! - Emotions
Calexico - Feast of Wire
Holopaw - Holopaw
Loose Fur - Loose Fur
Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks - Pig Lib (+ bonus disc)

If I had to pick my front runner for album of the year, I'd go with the Malkmus.  For debut album of the year:  Holopaw.
M. Ward - Transfiguration of Vincent

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A.  Radiohead seems to have regressed to something very pre-punk; in fact, to the very same thing punk was invented to demolish, or at least shame.

B.  And I'm not against sonic experimentation- I love Sonic Youth and Godspeed You Black Emperor and an assortment of other bands who try to stretch the limits of what a pop song can be. Radiohead just doesn't seem to be doing anything on that level of interest.

A. What allegiance you think Radiohead should or do have to the punk aesthetic?  Why do you find Kid A/Amnesiac to be such departures from their previously aesthetic?  They've always made art-rock (save for Pablo Honey, their Brit-grunge debut); the last two albums are brave steps beyond what OK Computer achieved and made them famous for.

B.  Radiohead have done more to expand the notion of what a pop song can be than have any other existing "rock band" I can think of.  I need play you only "Pyramid Song" to illustrate this point.

Quote from: godardianI said (tongue in cheek) that I don't trust them, meaning that a pop song over 3 minutes has more work to do to convince me it's worthwhile. And I certainly don't think Radiohead warrant that much of my time.

Post-OKC Radiohead songs aren't (by and large) all that long.  One song over 6 minutes:

Kid A

 1.       Everything in Its Right Place - 4:11
 2.       Kid A - 4:44
  3.       The National Anthem - 5:51
  4.       How to Disappear Completely - 5:56
    5.       Treefingers - 3:42
  6.       Optimistic (Radiohead) - 5:16
  7.       In Limbo - 3:31
  8.       Idioteque - 5:09
  9.       Morning Bell - 4:35
    10.       Motion Picture Soundtrack - 7:01

Amnesiac

    1.       Packt Like Sardines in a Crushd Tin Box (Radiohead) - 4:00
    2.       Pyramid Song (Radiohead) - 4:48
    3.       Pull/Pulk Revolving Doors (Radiohead) - 4:07
    4.       You and Whose Army? (Radiohead) - 3:11
    5.       I Might Be Wrong (Radiohead) - 4:53
    6.       Knives Out (Radiohead) - 4:14
    7.       Morning Bell/Amnesiac (Radiohead) - 3:14
    8.       Dollars & Cents (Radiohead) - 4:51
    9.       Hunting Bears (Radiohead) - 2:01
    10.       Like Spinning Plates (Radiohead) - 3:57
    11.       Life in a Glass House (Radiohead) - 4:34

Quote from: godardianThe Beatles are very overrated

Anti-Moore, anti-Beatles, anti-Radiohead.... are you trying to get on my bad side?  :roll:

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Post-OKC Radiohead songs aren't (by and large) all that long.  One song over 6 minutes:

...but they seem so much longer when I listen to them...

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Quote from: godardianThe Beatles are very overrated

Anti-Moore, anti-Beatles, anti-Radiohead.... are you trying to get on my bad side?  :roll:

Of course not! You know, in each of those cases, you could say my disappointment is the cause of my frustration.

-This culture sorely needs someone like Moore. I just wish it were someone a lot more impressive and less of a turn-off than Moore. I don't like to say "He's better than nothing," because that sounds more insulting than anything I've said, really, but that's the way I feel about him. If I didn't see the potential need he could be filling, the obvious craving for a liberal voice, and how he seems (to me) to be wasting it, I wouldn't be so derisive of what I see as his failings.

-I really liked The Bends, as I said above. I liked parts of OK Computer. I thought "Exit Music (For a Film)" was ever so much better than the film they used it in. They then became, to my ears, the aural equivalent of "psychedelic space-age" screensavers. If I could just ignore everything but "How to Disappear Completely" and "Idioteque," it might be all right.

I once thought of Radiohead as very much in a thick, rich vein of sweetly brilliant mid-nineties music I now feel very nostalgic for. I never thought they were as great as my top tier of Suede, Pulp, Elastica, Gene, or PJ Harvey (who really introduced Radiohead to their future clamoring fans when they opened for her on the Rid of Me tour), but The Bends put them on about the same level as Blur, Supergrass, and Sleater-Kinney.

-The Beatles. Some really brilliant stuff. Love the films. Love many of the singles. Don't like how, despite The Kinks, The Velvet Underground, Bowie, Roxy Music, The Pistols, The Buzzcocks, The Clash, The Jam, The Smiths, and Suede developed a body of work at least as enduringly high in quality as anything the Beatles ever did, they always sit at the top of the heap. They were good, they did some very interesting things culturally and musically, but they're not The Number One Pop Group of All Time everyone seems to think they are. Hence the "overrated" tag.

You and I have more in common than you think, I'm sure. Obviously, you rate Magnolia (my top film of '99) and Mulholland Dr. (my top film of 2001). So in those cases, I wholeheartedly agree with you.  [/i]

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-I really liked The Bends, as I said above. I liked parts of OK Computer. I thought "Exit Music (For a Film)" was ever so much better than the film they used it in. They [Radiohead] became, to my ears, the aural equivalent of "psychedelic space-age" screensavers. If I could just ignore everything but "How to Disappear Completely" and "Idioteque," it might be all right.
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"How to Disappear Completely" - Psychedelic, maybe, but not all that space age.

"Idioteque" - Maybe, just maybe space age, but not all that psychedelic.

Also:  two measly songs are your argument for discounting the entire post-OKC catalog?  C'mon.  If anything, "Treefingers" is the track that's already been done and done better (by the likes of Autechre and Aphex Twin).

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-The Beatles. Some really brilliant stuff. Love the films. Love many of the singles. Don't like how, despite The Kinks, The Velvet Underground, Bowie, Roxy Music, The Pistols, The Buzzcocks, The Clash, The Jam, The Smiths, and Suede developed a body of work at least as enduringly high in quality as anything the Beatles ever did, they always sit at the top of the heap. They were good, they did some very interesting things culturally and musically, but they're not The Number One Pop Group of All Time everyone seems to think they are. Hence the "overrated" tag.

All the bands you mentioned:

1.  Had/have enduring, high-quality catalogs (except maybe for the Sex Pistols, who did more with one album/group of singles than most of the bands you mention did with their entire careers).

2.  Did every single thing they did in the wake of what The Beatles already had done by 1968 (excluding, of course, The Kinks, the most underappreciated band on your list).

By 1964, The Beatles had changed pop music forever and in several ways.  No other band on your list can make even a stab at that claim (again, excluding The Sex Pistols—and even they were more "right place, right time, right attitude" than they were revolutionary musicians).

"They're not The Number One Pop Group of All Time everyone seems to think they are."  If the Beatles aren't, who is?

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-I really liked The Bends, as I said above. I liked parts of OK Computer. I thought "Exit Music (For a Film)" was ever so much better than the film they used it in. They [Radiohead] became, to my ears, the aural equivalent of "psychedelic space-age" screensavers. If I could just ignore everything but "How to Disappear Completely" and "Idioteque," it might be all right.
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"How to Disappear Completely" - Psychedelic, maybe, but not all that space age.

"Idioteque" - Maybe, just maybe space age, but not all that psychedelic.

Also:  two measly songs are your argument for discounting the entire post-OKC catalog?  C'mon.  If anything, "Treefingers" is the track that's already been done and done better (by the likes of Autechre and Aphex Twin).

No, no... those are the two songs I like. I wish I could ignore everything but those two. Because, as you said, they're not that screensaver-like.

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-I really liked The Bends, as I said above. I liked parts of OK Computer. I thought "Exit Music (For a Film)" was ever so much better than the film they used it in. They [Radiohead] became, to my ears, the aural equivalent of "psychedelic space-age" screensavers. If I could just ignore everything but "How to Disappear Completely" and "Idioteque," it might be all right.
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"How to Disappear Completely" - Psychedelic, maybe, but not all that space age.

"Idioteque" - Maybe, just maybe space age, but not all that psychedelic.

Also:  two measly songs are your argument for discounting the entire post-OKC catalog?  C'mon.  If anything, "Treefingers" is the track that's already been done and done better (by the likes of Autechre and Aphex Twin).

No, no... those are the two songs I like. I wish I could ignore everything but those two. Because, as you said, they're not that screensaver-like.

Oh.  Yeah.  That is what you said.  Sorry.

By far the most overrated Radiohead album:  The Bends

Quote from: MeshIf the Beatles aren't, who is?

I like too many bands and am too leery of having to define what exactly "Number One Pop Band of All Time" is. I just don't like how it seems to be so uncontested. I think the Number One of my lifetime is The Smiths. But the Kinks were at least as important. They- along with Spector pop and James Brown- inspired the Velvet Underground much more directly than the Beatles ever did. And V.U. have been at least as influential as the Beatles, and they do get their share of respect, but... The Beatles are SOOOO monolithic, people discuss them SOOOOO unequivocally, and that's why I say they're overrated. Maybe no pop band could ever really deserve the sort of reverence given to the Beatles.

I mean, I adore, unequivocally love David Bowie, but he's done some real shit in his time. And I can accept that. But say that about the Beatles, and you're liable to find your home vandalized.

But then, look at the way people revere Michael Jackson. At least the Beatles were worth many if not all the accolades, but M.J.... he has left an indelible mark on the face of popular music worldwide, and I do not in any way mean that as a compliment. Not all supremely influential beings work in the name of good...[/i]

Quote from: MeshBy far the most overrated Radiohead album:  The Bends

I dunno... unless you really dislike The Bends in a major way. All the polls and "best albums of this particular span of time" seem to specify OK Computer, which would make that the most overrated Radiohead album. Unless, of course, you really, really dislike The Bends that much.

Quote from: godardianBut the Kinks were at least as important. They- along with Spector pop and James Brown- inspired the Velvet Underground much more directly than the Beatles ever did. And V.U. have been at least as influential as the Beatles, and they do get their share of respect, but...

Can't say I agree with that.  Ask Brian Wilson who inspired him to make Pet Sounds:  Beatles.  Ask Ozzy Osbourne who he wanted to be in 1964:  Beatles.  Sure, VU are were a hugely influential band, but at least as influential as The Beatles...I just don't think so.  Everything every band has done, it seems you can find some parallel innovation in the work of The Beatles (who did it all in, basically, 6 years).  Every song on Revolver has been covered and released on a major release by another band—EVERY SONG.

Quote from: godardianI mean, I adore, unequivocally love David Bowie, but he's done some real shit in his time. And I can accept that. But say that about the Beatles, and you're liable to find your home vandalized.

They never released a bad album, an album disliked by a large portion of critics or their own fanbase.  Sure some of their early covers were lackluster and you can quibble with some of Ringo's kids music or George's transcendental pop, but....let's face it, there is no parallel in the Beatles catalog to, say, Bowie's Tonight.

Quote from: godardianBut then, look at the way people revere Michael Jackson. At least the Beatles were worth many if not all the accolades, but M.J.... he has left an indelible mark on the face of popular music worldwide, and I do not in any way mean that as a compliment. Not all supremely influential beings work in the name of good...

Michael Jackson proclaimed himself King of Pop after releasing three multi-platinum albums he didn't even write himself (to a large extent).  He's been struggling to stay culturally relevant for a decade, but succeeded only in making himself as relevant as National Enquirer.  He's a hell of a talent, singular, incomparable, deserves what love he still gets, but far more like Elvis than he is The Beatles.

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I dunno... unless you really dislike The Bends in a major way. All the polls and "best albums of this particular span of time" seem to specify OK Computer, which would make that the most overrated Radiohead album. Unless, of course, you really, really dislike The Bends that much.

But I'm saying that OKC deserves, by and large, the credit it receives.  I don't think The Bends really does; it makes plenty of lists, especially those issuing forth from the UK music press.  It's still a good album, don't mistake me...I just think it's 4th in line, as far as Radiohead albums go.

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Quote from: cbrad4dthey kinda have a radiohead vibe. trashing days is a wicked song. I have that and pilot downloaded on my computer back home, don't have the album yet though. what's the rest of the album like?

radiohead vibe indeed, much more playful tho, user friendly even.. the rest is sorta the same, check out Solitaire, the title track, One with the Freaks, and well the whole thing is ekzellent,., it's the kinda stuff i like to hear when i need to be poked, not pusshed tho, poked. i dunno, the songs are real fresh.

i wasn't expecting anyone else to like em  :shock:

i saw them live. orgasmic.

that was a 2002 album for me though. sorry, in my absence i have become a music elitist. remember that MUSIC thread i always tried to keep alive. i think it was the cause of me having some sort of fit and my subsequent departure.

cat power's you are free is the 2003 album of the year so far.

I change my mind to Blur's Think Tank. That is the best release of the year so far that I've heard. Radiohead comes out June 10 though..........

Quote from: European SonI change my mind to Blur's Think Tank. That is the best release of the year so far that I've heard. Radiohead comes out June 10 though..........

:oops: I'm thinking of picking up the Radiohead just for the brilliant cover art. I've heard what's inside, though... :oops:

I also really like Think Tank.

But my absolute far-and-away top album of the year is Black Box Recorder's Passionoia. It'll take something really, really brilliant to top it.

Quote from: godardian:oops: I'm thinking of picking up the Radiohead just for the brilliant cover art. I've heard what's inside, though... :oops:

Ah, come on. How can you not like "A Wolf At The Door"?

QuoteI also really like Think Tank.

It took a couple of weeks to grow on me, but now I absolutely love every track. It's probably my favorite style of Blur, actually.

the radiohead has been growing on me.  i was so excited about it when i heard it would be their 'return to songwriting'.  (experimention of last two records plus songwriting of the two before that=very very exciting).  then i got the leaked unmastered versions and nothing jumped out at me and i was initially let down. so i put it away for awhile, so now with the mastered ones,  i put it back on.  i have discovered that the melodies have already made their places in my brain where all the songs seem familiar.  i like it.  but where it places among how much i like it, is yet to be decided.