....this film(like most/all) of hi sfilms arenear perfect masterpieces...if you think thuis film sucks in anny possibleway..then post here and watch how i can channge your minnnd....which will make you abetter person
It fits in my top 5 easily
i'm a fan of lynch but i just don't really like this one
Blue Velvet is my favorite film of all time. I saw it when I was 11 and it seriously messed me up forever-- in a good, creative way. Can't sing it's praises enough.
Like I said in a previous thread, BV turned me into a real movie freak......or a cinephile as you folks say it.
We've already gone over this once in that old thread, but perhaps it'll be different this time.
Reading the Xixax Dekapenticon thread and the "Classics I Wasn't a Fan of" thread, I was thinking about Blue Velvet, wondering what other people see in it that I don't. Granted, the cinematography is great. And the narrative is fairly straightforward. Good for Lynch. I'll give him that to his credit.
But what I want to know is for those of you who are a bit older than the majority of people on this site, perhaps those of you who were fortunate enough to see it back in 1986. What exactly is it about the film is so revolutionary as far as society and cinema goes? Is it the sexuality in the film? What else could it be? What are other films from each decade that are comparable? Why do you think this is? I.E., what elements in a film make it have such an impact?
I mean, we all have our films we think about as great, but there hasn't been anything as lauded as Raging Bull or Blue Velvet for the 1990s (though I shudder that someday Titanic may be called that film, but I can't think of anything else, really). No other film has been so sensational, so risque, so controversial, so important in so many different ways. All according to the majority opinion of "people who matter," that is. Any ideas?
I'm not one of the people you ask, but maybe it's because it's setup as a sort of young adults mystery with something so much more profane that the final product is disturbing.
although Im not a fan of the film, I think it's because it's a surrealist crime thriller.
Blue Velvet is smooth as silk, but with just enough texture and tone to make it velvety. Seriously though, this is definetly a great movie... the movie that made me a Lynch fan... that and Mulholland Drive.
FOR SHAFTR...AND ONO....
..here's my take...BV was mt ffirst foray into lynnnch.....i saw the elepahnt mannn btu didn't knnow about lynnch (the artist) yet.....when watching the elephant mann i did get that wierd ffeeling that years later from watching BV, lost highway, and esp. Mulholland drive, that sticks with you annnnd phucks w/your head after watching his ffilms.......
...so here are the reasonnnns why i like BL....
1.0 dennnnnis hopper's frank booth...he scared the sh*t out of me.....that gas mask shit...and his whole persona...thats the best screen villian ever.....that beginnnning scene where he's cuttinnng her dress annd sticks a piece of it in his mouth while screaming."daddy wants to fuck"...that whole ffphucking scene is innncredible....its sexual, morbid, annnd hilarious all at once....THAT IS TIP OF THE ICEBERG GENIUS OF LYNCH.....
2.0 i liked the hokey dialogue....its campy....like alot of twin peaks dialogue is the same way...like when jefffery asks dernnn's caharacter at the dinnner .."what time is it"...and she asks why..nne says"b/c five nminutes from nnow your nnot going to believe what i just told you"....thats phucking funny to me.....and lets nnot fforget the ffamos heinnekin/pabst blue ribbon shit.....there are tons more......basically the dialogue is razor....
3.0 my ffavorite scene in that film is when frank goes to meet his friend bennn??( i think is his name).... and then he grabs the lightbulb and starts singing that in dreams sonng....that whole setup from beginning to end is brilliant IMO.....with the wierdos in the background (one of them holding a snake), and the fat ladies, and the mannnequinnn/dummy thing lying on the couch, and the late great Jack Nance giving those funny looks to Jeffffery the whole time....which leads up th efrannk say..."lets ffuck!!!!!!!, i'll fuck annything that moves!!!!!".....then he dissapears ..fflat out amazing....
4.0 the first 5 minutes are jaw--droppinng innncredible.....especially the closeups in the "x-ray" like vision through the grass....that whole part is way ahead of its time esp..for an 80's film....
5.0 i really like that song blue vevlet and how its used/sung throughout the film....the sounds/music in this film just proves the perfect collabatory effforts of lynnnch/badalamenti.....the sounds unnnnnerdscors the film/mood pefectly....
6.0 just ranndom scenes of greatnes.....the scene w/the yellow man near the ennd and the tv, and the close-up of dorothy's husband w/the blue velvet in his mouth is awesome.........and the final scene is great....
.......i always heard that you either "get" lynnch or you don't.....i watch this with some people and they think its complete garbage.....annd I stare at them whith a WTF??????????? look on my face....and i try to explain it tto them but they still donnn't care/get it.....and i ffeel that they are missing out on soemthing special.....but phuck it, you either likeit or you don't.....trhat sone of the reasons which makes lynnch's films/style so wonderful.......csause when you get it ...you are in a minnority....and its sooemthing that you can latch on to w/other people and share.....lynch is an ennigmatic director.....which is nnot true for most directors.....think about it out of all the forums here on xixax onnly kubrick comes close to lynnnch's ennigmaticism....while they are all good directors onnly thise two share that wierd sense that they bring....and thats saying alot......
Omno, you know I am one of the older folks and what Neon said nails it for me. You slowly enter the deepest darkest bizarre world in small country logging town that you first thought was oh so serene. Frank......a true masterpiece character!
Dammit. My home theater DVD player is hosed and I can't watch it or anything else till I buy another one.
Quote from: freakerdudeBV turned me into a real movie freak......or a cinephile as you folks say it.
You make it sound like Xixax invented the word...
Blue Velvet is a masterpiece!
I recently watched Blue Velvet for the 1st time. I enjoyed it immensely, and noted some precursors to Twin Peaks.
foray
Quote from: forayI recently watchedBlue Velvet for the 1st time. I enjoyed it immensely, and noted some precursors to Twin Peaks.
::speaks in a voice reminnniscant of vincient price::
..so was that your "foray" in to the films of Lynch....?
*thank you i'll be here all week*
My god, I just finished watching this two seconds ago. Christ, this was beautiful. Fucked up and raw, yet always beautiful.
Quote from: WithnailMy god, I just finished watching this two seconds ago. Christ, this was beautiful. Fucked up and raw, yet always beautiful.
...here's to your fuck.... :drinking:
....do you want me to pour it?
-No ...i want you to fuck it!!
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i don't like it when NEON swears. :(
Quote from: Pi don't like it when NEON swears. :(
....i was doing it in
character.... :wink:
Quote from: NEON MERCURY...here's to your fuck.... :drinking:
....do you want me to pour it?
-No ...i want you to fuck it!!
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you know a movie is really really great when you can just read a line from it at 1 in the morning and bust out laughing like you were actually watching it. dammit, what a great movie.
i just ordered this the other day (as you can see in the I JUST BOUGHT thread and my fucking dvd came without the outer 'shell' casing. its just a stupid fucking regular dvd case without the badass extra. why are they doing this? now its my lifes mission to track one down.
More info on the UK release:
BLUE VELVET (1986) The Definitive Two-Disc DVD Special Edition
5 April 2004, £19.99 RRP, Cat No. SVE3041
Cert 18, Film: 116 minutes, Features: 46 mins, Region 0 PAL DVD,
Dolby Digital 2.0 and 5.1 Surround Sound
Meticulously remastered under the supervision of David Lynch and presented in Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound Blue Velvet has never looked or sounded so good. Initial copies of the release will be available in a stunning blue velvet slipcase that will make an exquisite addition to any DVD shelf. A new 16-page booklet will accompany the DVDs featuring images from the film, special features and menus with two exclusive essays written by Mike Goodridge (Editor of "Screencraft: Directing" and Co-Director of DVD special feature Strange Desires).
ALL-NEW DVD SPECIAL FEATURES
All-new 35-min documentary Strange Desires. Includes archive interviews with David Lynch and new (2003) interviews with Dino De Laurentiis, Dennis Hopper and more unlocking the secrets of Blue Velvet
Archive review from BBC's Moving Pictures series with J.G. Ballard - "The Best Film of the 1980's"
New widescreen 2.35:1 anamorphic transfer; re-mastered Dolby Digital 2.0 and 5.1 surround sound
All-new animated menus
Theatrical Trailer
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That's a pretty cool dvd cover! But I'm glad America stuck with the one we have now.
....damn that cover is PHUCKING badass....................
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-what does "PAL" mean?.......i noticed that it is region 0 ..but what does PAL mean....and can i play this dvd on a region 1 dvd player?..
That's just the best DVD cover art of all time. I seriously can't think of better.
it's silence of the lambs/hannibal.
Quote from: NEON MERCURY....damn that cover is PHUCKING badass....................
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-what does "PAL" mean?.......i noticed that it is region 0 ..but what does PAL mean....and can i play this dvd on a region 1 dvd player?..
i doubt you could. american video standard is NTSC and most american dvd players will only play ntsc formatted dvds. europe uses the pal standard. ntsc moves at approximately 29.97 fps while pal moves at 25 fps. even if your player did play the pal dvd, i don't know if your tv would understand the signal. the only way to be absolutely sure would be to have a dvd player that converted pal to ntsc on the spot. i bought my region free dvd player for the sole purpose of getting a widescreen lost highway and wild at heart. and soon season two of twin peaks. american lynch fans feel like they're getting shit on now, but when lynch comes out with his new transfers, it's gonna be a whole new ballgame. besides, we get the eraserhead disc, europe doesn't.
why would you want this dvd anyway? the american one is just as good, non?
Quote from: taz.Quote from: NEON MERCURY....damn that cover is PHUCKING badass....................
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-what does "PAL" mean?.......i noticed that it is region 0 ..but what does PAL mean....and can i play this dvd on a region 1 dvd player?..
i doubt you could. american video standard is NTSC and most american dvd players will only play ntsc formatted dvds. europe uses the pal standard. ntsc moves at approximately 29.97 fps while pal moves at 25 fps. even if your player did play the pal dvd, i don't know if your tv would understand the signal. the only way to be absolutely sure would be to have a dvd player that converted pal to ntsc on the spot. i bought my region free dvd player for the sole purpose of getting a widescreen lost highway and wild at heart. and soon season two of twin peaks. american lynch fans feel like they're getting shit on now, but when lynch comes out with his new transfers, it's gonna be a whole new ballgame. besides, we get the eraserhead disc, europe doesn't.
why would you want this dvd anyway? the american one is just as good, non?
taz.. thanks for answering my question.....but i guess the reason why i wanted it it seems to have a different doc than the MGM SE..right?........
.you're right though..its suck living in the US and being down w/lynch..we get nothing but waiting and waiting...but that is true when lynch gets his sh*t together on those phucking transfers-DAMN they are solid....
Take this quiz here. (http://lynchnet.com/bv/bv_question.pdf) (In pdf format)
Fuck that shit..
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I love blue velvet. I think it's one of the best films of alll time. Definitely in my top 5. Anyone who doesn't like it just has no artistic vision. It's perfection lies in its little creative touches in the craftmanship. Oh god, it's so good.[/img]
Quote from: camera buffI love blue velvet. I think it's one of the best films of alll time. Definitely in my top 5. Anyone who doesn't like it just has no artistic vision. It's perfection lies in its little creative touches in the craftmanship. Oh god, it's so good.[/img]
Make sure you clean up after yourself..
it's ur fault for telling him to fuck that shit.
upon recent viewing i caught something i had not noticed before.
when jeffrey is spraying dorothy vallen's apartment - there is a knock on the door - as she walks to the door she says "Grand Central Station" beneath her breath.
any insight as to what this is referring to within the text/subtext of the film?
Quote from: cowboykurtiswhen jeffrey is spraying dorothy vallen's apartment - there is a knock on the door - as she walks to the door she says "Grand Central Station" beneath her breath.
any insight as to what this is referring to within the text/subtext of the film?
It's a joke. There's so much traffic coming to her door, she's basically saying, "What is this, Grand Central Station?"
Never would have thought that. It makes perfect sense though. Her delivery made my mind go other places. Things are sometimes more simple than they appear.
From a blog I sometimes read:
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I almost skipped out on the chance to see Blue Velvet projected at the ArcLight, but knew I'd kick myself if I did. So I hauled ass last night and... was totally disheartened. Not by the film (which remains as hypnotic and unsettling as ever) or the print (which, despite a warning from the AFI Programmer on hand, wasn't that bad), but by one of the most appalling audiences I've encountered. I understand that when you get a roomful of (supposed) fans of a cult film, things can get rowdy. I had no problem with (and joined in) the applause at nearly every single name in the main title sequence or the ovation at Frank Booth's beer critique, but the laughter at damn near everything was enraging.
A month ago, after a contentious screening at Cannes, A.O. Scott blogged about laughing at movies, specifically pointing out that when one laughs at a scene that isn't funny, it's not necessarily out of derision. ("Sometimes it is an involuntary response to a surprise, or a sudden tonal shift. Sometimes you laugh to dispel your nervous anticipation that something terrible is going to happen. ") All completely valid points and, to be fair, Blue Velvet is filled with sudden tonal shifts, uncomfortable moments, and scenes of unrelenting dread. But that's not what this audience seemed to be reacting to. There were inexplicable bursts of laughter at little moments (I'm not sure why the audience roared when Kyle MacLachlan grabs the keys to Isabella Rossellini's apartment) and at core moments that just don't deserve laughter. Near the end of the film, when the completely naked Rossellini is dumped, bruised and dazed, in front of MacLachlan and Laura Dern, I would accept nervous tittering. The gales of laughter that drowned out that scene (and the one that followed) went from merely annoying to offensive. I'm not quite sure what's so hi-larious about that kind of violence.
Whatever, I'm ranting and it's probably not all that interesting, but before switching subjects, am I fundamentally misreading the film? I don't think, however you read the film, the intensity of the laughter was justified. That said, am I missing something? Of course I can see that Lynch is often playing with imagery and circumstances that are both horrifying and darkly comic (uh, the scene leading up to and including "In Dreams," anyone?), but I don't really see it as a satire (as, say, Roger Ebert does or last night's pigfucking audience might've). Sure, Lynch is working with archetypes and conventions and his pop-cultural obsessions (Hardy Boys, Shadow of a Doubt, film noir, Roy Orbison, '50s nostalgia, etc.) but I don't think he's satirizing them. Fetishizing them? Obvs. Satirizing/mocking? Nope. (If you think I'm naively/woefully offbase, please tell me.)
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My thoughts are 1) I wish i could have seen Blue Velvet on the big screen
2) I can understand the writers frustation. Audiences of a cult film are often overeager to assert their familiarity with the film through applause or laugher, often at inappropriate moments. Reminds me of the Taxi Driver screening i just recently went to, in which the audience decided to both applaud and laugh at the killings of the final act.
I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say here. Blue Velvet is funny. At times it's really funny. But it's not Rocky Horror, although it is developing a similar sort of following among folks my age (mid 20's). I wish that we could show our love of these flicks just by showing up, and silently loving the experience, and not have to audibly voice our approval of every single scene.
I mean, can' t people just sit back and enjoy the fucking movie?
Also, I, like the blogger, would be curious to see if you thought that the naked and battered I. Rossilini scene was funny. Am I, and by default, he, missing out on something?
I must admit, I'm somewhat guilty of the crime listed above-- but it's also my all-time favorite movie. The first time I saw the film on the big screen was at college. I got together with a bunch of friends and drank a shitload of PBR. When Frank Booth came on screen, we cheered. And at a couple other moments too. Hey, it happens. Midnight movies (or revivals of classics) draw out the hardcore fanatics, and you're more than likely to get that reaction every time.
yes, but when they do it to a movie like Taxi Driver, Jaws, Blue Velvet, etc..... I want to cut their fucking heads off. Even Donnie Darko... sometimes I go see a movie to... ENJOY SEEING IT IN THEATER. Not to listen to every yuppie and his friends exclaim what huge nerds they are for the movie.
Yuppies?
it still beats having two old ladies in front of you talking through the whole movie.
Quote from: cronopioit still beats having two old ladies in front of you talking through the whole movie.
yeah and complaining every time "fuck" is spoken on screen
that happened to me during "Mystic River". a couple of old ladies were sitting in front of me and moaned every time someone said it, which was about 70 times or so in that movie.
it also happened during "Closer". not only did a huge group of ladies sitting behind me express to the whole audience how shocked they were but they also made snoring noises to show how uninterested they were in the movie.
can't they just leave instead of letting the whole audience suffer?!?! stuck up conservative bastards!!!!!!!!
when i went to see palindromes some jewish couple was speaking hebrew behind us and a guy that was next to me shouted "SHUT UP, NOW!!" and the whole room went quiet till the movie ended. i wish i had the guts to shout like that guy. his performance was inspiring.
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sorry all.