i like tool
I think mine would have to be Tool - Lateralus. The band really took a giant evolutionary leap forward with this, and I love every second of it.
Quote from: tremoloslothI think mine would have to be Tool - Lateralus. The band really took a giant evolutionary leap forward with this, and I love every second of it.
yeah good call..........not many fans of them on this board i guess?
man that album is KILLER
Yeah, it's like with that album they finally put their money where their mouth had been the whole time. And it's a very positive album too
I love Tool, but I think Lateralus is a definate step down for the band.
I still think it's a great album, but it's like they're just doing what they feel is expected from them now.
I will knife fight you
Who really expected that from them? I didn't. To me, it's a brilliant work of art
Quote from: RegularKarateI love Tool, but I think Lateralus is a definate step down for the band.
I still think it's a great album, but it's like they're just doing what they feel is expected from them now.
:? in what way... i am not a TooL know-it-all or anthing but they progressed in my opinion into better musicians with music being more "Full" (i guess ?)
for example take sober from their earlier days and compare/contrast that with the gudge from lateralus - the later is much more full/powerful/thick/heavy/progressive in a good way i think the songs now feel like a novel rather than a short story
Lateralus is defenitely a more accomplished record. I rank it with one of the best albums I own and one of the best albums released in the last 10 years. Tool is an amazing band and I think their sound is fully realized in Lateralus.
it came out in 2001
Quote from: tremoloslothit came out in 2001
BAH! you know what i meant :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
:cry:
Yes, you don't have to be embarrassed 4 times about it
The Wall is a wonderful piece of work.
There's something about the way that Gilmour and Waters strum acoustic guitars... I dunno, I love it. Noel Gallagher said he learned to play by listening to this album over and over, and I can see the resemblance in the way he strums. And that, in turn is how I taught myself to play. Therefore I have always felt very comfortable listening to this album, despite the subject matter.
Mother and Nobody Home are my favs.
"Lateralus" is amazing, no doubt... but it's kinda like... PTA will never make a film I like better than "Magnolia", and Tool will never make an album I like better than "Aenima". It's just not something that's possible.
Anyone. getting the new APC..its out tomorrow..?
..has anyheard the single if there is one even out on radio??..if so whats it sound like
It sounds like Perfect Circle... the entire album leaked, so I'm sure you can find it.
I dig the new song and a couple others I heard... I'm gonna hold of judgement until I hear the whole thing, but it sounds different enough to be worthy of a new album...
I'm just gonna restate the fact that Aenima is the best Tool album... been re-listening lately and it's just the ultimate peak for a band, really. Lateralus is still a great album, but just doesn't do what Aenima did.
Aenima = Kid A = Too Dark Park = Sgt. Pepper = Pet Sounds = Dark Side of the Moon etc...
I keep telling you that you're wrong, I don't know why you are so persistent
Oh and I'm going to get the new APC definitely
the single Weak and Powerless is okay, a little too polished for my taste though
I was kind of feeling the same way about it... I'm gonna get it, sure, but I'm just not that excited about it.
Aenima = Tool's best album / Trem = liar
i gotta agree with trem on this, lateralus is a masterpiece, ænima is close though.
what are your feeling about undertow? i was pretty unimpressed.
Undertow is pretty solid, I think. I still listen to the first 3 a lot (though inferior they are to Lateralus)
i dunno, i heard undertow after i heard ænima and lateralus so i was expecting something really different than it was. maybe i should giiive it another try...
I figured that was the case. It's sort of hard to do that since they've come such a long way
Yeah... I was into undertow for a looooong time, it's more Raw... but it's still the fucking shit... maybe my being pretty hardcore into Tool since then has something to do with my preferences too. I know a lot of people who got into Aenima and then liked Lateralus, while us older fans seem to be more into Aenima (though some think they peaked at Undertow, but those people eat shit for breakfast).
This isn't one of those "I'm a bigger fan, so that's why I like this album" thing, it's just an observation.
BTW, I've downloaded some more of the new APC songs and I'm diggin them a lot... gotta get that fuckin' album... fo' shizzle.
Oh yeah, and they were giving it away on the radio today... had to be caller 10, I was 7... stupid radio.
Thanks for the feedback guys....But i still think that lateralus is their finest work...the grudge is their "stairway" song IMO..its's damn near pefect...
i head also that lateralus is/was the LAST album Tool will do..is this true(anyone)?......(heard the band is doing solo projects..etc APV , and i heard that the drummer has something solo,in the works..he is a freaking bADSs)..
lastly, i heard that at best buy if you but the first one along w/ the new one you will get $5 off ..total purchase..so thats good news if you are like me and don't have the first one yet>....
It's definitely not the last. They had new material they were working on after their most recent tour finished, it's just they are busy with side projects right now. Danny the drummer has always been in side projects and Maynard is always lending his voice
Opiate has some great songs on it, but if you're not into Undertow, you certainly won't like it.
I just finished downloading all but the last song for Thirteenth step (which I don't feel bad about because the band said they were glad it leaked and I'm gonna buy it anyway) and it's fucking great... I think after a couple listens, I've decided I think it's better than Mer De Noms, which was good, but kind of petered off towards the second half. This seems far more solid of an album.
also.. Aenima is the better album for a hundred reasons, but here's another: It's got more of the "fucking around" feel that Undertow has than Lateralus.
Also Maynard kills more in Aenima... Oh... and the lyrics are better...
and... okay... sorry.
How come he's constantly talking about fisting and shit in Aenima if it's got such great lyrics
8) win
If all you're hearing out of songs like StinkFist is fisting, then you're not listening. That's one of the things about Aenima, lyrics are more layered.
I won a long time ago.
Of course it's layered but that doesn't mean he isn't talking about fisting and shit
Maynard has always been ass obsessed... if anything, that's what Lateralus is missing.
i actually rank them in order of release opiate, undertow, aenima, and lateralus....
the band just get s better as they go along really!,. EVOLVE INTO A GREATER FORM OF MUSIC.(everything from music, lyrics, to singing , gets deeper ans more layered.)....it's odd b/c usually most bands are opposite....examples (just a few)
1.0 aerosmith
2.0 led zeppelin
3.0 rolling stones
4.0 red hot chili peppers
5.0 bon jovi :wink:
Quote from: NEON MERCURYi actually rank them in order of release opiate, undertow, aenima, and lateralus....
the band just get s better as they go along really!,. EVOLVE INTO A GREATER FORM OF MUSIC.(everything from music, lyrics, to singing , gets deeper ans more layered.)....it's odd b/c usually most bands are opposite....examples (just a few)
:yabbse-thumbup:
Nah... they follow the formula of a lot of other Great bands out there.
Example
TOOL:
Opiate - **
Undertow - ***
Aenima - *****
Lateralus - ****
Nine Inch Nails
Pretty Hate Machine: ***
Broken - ****
Downward Spiral - *****
Fragile - ***
Bands often hit a peak and then it's not that the next album isn't great, it's just that they have no way of doing better than their best.
I think Radiohead may have hit this Peak with Kid A as well, but it's hard to tell this soon.
I disagree with so much of that post
Here's something official to ease Neon's mind
"Maynard will be going back to work with Tool next summer, but we have him until then."
-Billy Howerdel
Are you one of the blind few that think that Fragile is better than Downward Spiral because you're dead wrong there, my friend, dead wrong.
I can see why people think that Lateralus is better than Aenima (they're just wrong)... but NIN peaked with DS, no question about it... I mean it's the best... I mean it's the most.. I mean... ahhhh forget it!
i haven' heard fragile but i out of the others is downward spiral definatly my favorite, it's a classic.
and yeah, kid a is the best radiohead.
but, LATERALUS IS BETTER THAN ÆNIMA GET IT SHITHEAD
by a little that is.
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I'd go as far as to say the Fragile is one of my top albums EVER except for the song The Big Come Down (I think that's the name). I hate that song.
and I wouldn't have to go very far to say that Downward Spiral is one of the best albums ever...
The main problem with Fragile is (other than having some of the same problems as Lateralus) that it could have been half the album it is and therefore twice as good. It could have been one disc of great songs instead of two discs containing great songs, good songs, okay songs, and shit songs.
and while it's still great, it's less personal... not the lyrics, the music... Downward Spiral was one man going out in the middle of the night to record bees... playing movies in the other room just to see if any great sounds jumped out at him... blowing through different brands of different broken straws to get the perfect noises...
Fragile is a bunch of guys locked in different rooms emailing eachother cool keyboard/guitar riffs... which is cool and a great album, but just not the same... and not as warm.
wow, ur all so old.
and by old i mean unable to love new things.
Quote from: Pwow, ur all so old.
and by old i mean unable to love new things.
aw man, that hurts...
I keep up with the times, I just have some old favs.
I started listening to Tool on Lateralus first, which I fucking loved. When I heard Aenima, I knew it was darker, but god it really is so much better. It's so much more of a kick in the ass. And with a title as great as Hooker with a Penis, you can't beat it.
Mar de Noms, that album is so good, APC's sound is incredibly unique, it really revitalizes rock with a new mood and organization. APC is great.
Quote from: phil marlowei haven' heard fragile but i out of the others is downward spiral definatly my favorite, it's a classic.
and yeah, kid a is the best radiohead.
but, LATERALUS IS BETTER THAN ÆNIMA GET IT SHITHEAD
by a little that is.
Eh, OK Computer is my fave.
Quote from: RegularKarateNah... they follow the formula of a lot of other Great bands out there.
Example
TOOL:
Opiate - **
Undertow - ***
Aenima - *****
Lateralus - ****
Undertow is their best album.
Mine in order of favs.
1) Aenima
2) Undertow
3) Lateralus
....the new APC (which has been in heavy rotation) is rock solid......
thier like gamblor..emntion is fresh soemthing cool......
i can't get the song otu of my head that goes .."medicated...drama queen"
(forgot title).....
theres apart in that song where he lets out a huge scream which keeops going as the music stops ..(really efffective)...seriously i don't know if most people buy suggested ideas from here but... it s agreat buy if afan ofd tool, APC, or to hear an incredible vocal talent......
Yeah, I like that song too (the outsider I think is the name) especially when Maynard says "over this...OVER THIIIIIS?!
Quote from: SlobhYeah, I like that song too (the outsider I think is the name) especially when Maynard says "over this...OVER THIIIIIS?!
Thats it!!!!!!!
damn i turn that mother up loud as hell and blast that part ..
gives me awierd feeling..*chills and pumps you up also*
really cool stuff.....I love that album
even the oddball piece the nurse who loved me is cool.....
..I wanted to post this to give people a visual aid as to what to look for:
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..this should also go into best album art thread....
A PERFECT CIRCLE plan on taking a long break following their June 13 concert in Denver to allow singer Maynard James Keenan to work on the follow-up to TOOL's 2001 offering "Lateralus"
http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/
Second page of news as of now.
And that is wrong to lump all three of these bands into one thread.
Tool hammer away at new album.
The members of Tool aren't at all jealous of frontman Maynard James Keenan's commitment to his other band, A Perfect Circle. They enjoy the downtime. And when they get antsy, they can get to work on new ideas without having a hands-on singer getting in the way.
For months, drummer Danny Carey, guitarist Adam Jones and bassist Justin Chancellor have been jamming together, and they've already got the framework for 10 to 12 new songs.
"They're very much in the infant stage, where we have all these different jams and we start piecing them together," Carey said. "There are no true arrangements yet. We like to develop ideas, but we don't want to solidify anything too much until Maynard gets involved."
Tool will continue to write as a trio until mid-June, when Keenan finishes touring with A Perfect Circle. Then they'll work through the songs with their singer for another two or three months before hitting the studio, Carey said. While it's too early to get an overall read on the new songs, Carey described the material as heavier and more intense than the group's last disc, 2001's Lateralus.
"There seems to be a little more brute force going on in the music, rather than being lighter and more intricate like some of the stuff on the last record," Carey said. "It still has quirky time changes, but so far we've been working on really heavy stuff."
In part, the aggressive vibe of the material has been a reaction to Tool's tours with thunderously intricate bands like Fantômas and Swedish death-prog band Meshuggah.
"[Fantômas singer] Mike Patton and [Fantômas/Slayer drummer] Dave Lombardo — those guys are a good, heavy influence," Carey said. "And we did most of the dates on our last tour with Meshuggah. They're incredibly heavy, so it was a good kick in the teeth playing with them."
Carey said he hopes the new Tool record will be ready for release by the end of the year, but he added that it may not be issued until early 2005 in order to avoid being lost in the Christmas shuffle.
In addition to rehearsing new songs from noon to 4 p.m. every day, Tool-minus-Maynard have also been putting together a DVD of footage from the Lateralus tour, which they plan to release this summer.
"It's going to be something really cool," Carey said. "It won't be just another band-playing-live video."
Tool are also editing footage of a lengthy conversation between themselves and Alex Grey, the psychedelic painter who created the artwork for Lateralus, for future release. "Alex is in the process of releasing a book on his function in the Lateralus tour with his artwork, so we're thinking we might release them as a package together," Carey said.
When he wasn't working with Jones and Chancellor, Carey spent his free evenings in his home studio writing and recording with Pigmy Love Circus, a band he originally played with before joining Tool. Following a reunion gig at the House of Blues in West Hollywood last year, Pigmy wrote the new record The Power of Beef, which Carey drummed on and produced.
"It's a good-time, straight-on power band," Carey said. "Tool is a lot more intricate and more dynamic, but there's nothing like playing full-ahead, balls-out, raw power, too, and I don't get to do that as much in Tool."
The Power of Beef is out June 8.
For more on A Perfect Circle, check out the feature "The Pain Of Perfection." For more on Keenan, check out the feature "Not Yet A Legend, Not Yet Dead."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1486242/20040407/tool.jhtml?headlines=true
Quote from: Stefen
In addition to rehearsing new songs from noon to 4 p.m. every day, Tool-minus-Maynard have also been putting together a DVD of footage from the Lateralus tour, which they plan to release this summer.
"It's going to be something really cool," Carey said. "It won't be just another band-playing-live video."
awesome.......i have been waiting for a dvd release from these guys....i heard that tour was solid.......and the dvd medium would be perfect for a TooL show.......crystal audio and clear visuals....looking forward to it.......
and the new album also.....but i guess, if im a fan of TooL it should be already known that im looking forward for the new album ..thats rhetorical in a way.....but now that i think about it, i should also be looking forward to the dvd since im a fan........actaully, since i started this thread people should already know that im down w/ these guys and therefore when news arrives of new projects concerning the band..its should also be known that i would be immeditaley interested in the news.......so in the end i guess this was a wasted post.......sorry..... :(
The dvd was supposed to come out back when lateralus was first released in 01. They've taped a bunch of shows but who knows what they are going to do with all that stuff, their live shows are euphoric.
i had no idea the APC are going torelease a newalbum tues.
and its all covers? is that right?
1. Annihilation
2. Imagine
3. (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace Love And Understanding
4. Counting Bodies Like Sheep To The Rhythm Of War Drums
5. What's Going On
6. When The Levee Breaks
7. Freedom Of Choice
8. People Are People
9. Passive
10. Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie
11. Let's Have A War
12. Fiddle And The Drum
i reconize most of the songs from other artists but i was wondering if any of these songs are original? i think bodys like sheep was from the previous album. i am most excited to hear their version of people are people.
oh and they have some dvd thing coming out tues also, i think?
I heard the new album is awful. I like mer de noms but aside from that APC is ass. mjk should just focus on tool fulltime.
the Imagine cover is ridiculously bad
recently twiggy ramirez has been working on the next nine inch nails album. i don't know if he's going to tour with trent next year but it would be awesome.
here's twiggy on the left, staring at a blind object as usual:
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Quote from: NEON MERCURYi had no idea the APC are going torelease a newalbum tues.
and its all covers? is that right?
1. Annihilation
2. Imagine
3. (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace Love And Understanding
4. Counting Bodies Like Sheep To The Rhythm Of War Drums
5. What's Going On
6. When The Levee Breaks
7. Freedom Of Choice
8. People Are People
9. Passive
10. Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie
11. Let's Have A War
12. Fiddle And The Drum
i reconize most of the songs from other artists but i was wondering if any of these songs are original? i think bodys like sheep was from the previous album. i am most excited to hear their version of people are people.
oh and they have some dvd thing coming out tues also, i think?
The only songs on Emotive (this album) that aren't covers are Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rhythm of the War Drums and Passive. Passive is new and Counting Bodies is a remix of Pet from Thirteenth Step.
And the album is awesome. So is the new dvd.
Or maybe it's garbage and wasn't marketed well because it's not very good at all.
New APC is indeed garbage. There's ONE Great song, two good songs, and the rest are shit.
Great Song: What's Goin' On
Good Songs: Imagine and Gimme Gimme Gimme
It's selling pretty well though, which makes me happy for Maynard.
Yep, It's pretty crap. I didn't enjoy it at all, and I hated the album artwork. Has anyone heard the aMOTION Bonus cd? It's just remixes of songs on previous albums, but I actually liked it.
agreed. shit,
mind you it's interesting to see that they put passive on the album. this one was originally goign to come out on the trent reznor side project tapeworm. yet it's played by the members of apc on the recording. did tapeworm come out or something and they're covering it? or maybe that whole side project was ditched.
these covers suck, nothing like "the nurse who loved me" by failure. they should have put that cure/sabath hybrid song "diary of a love song" that they were playing a long time ago on it. i know it's not about war or anything but it still would've been cool.
the artwork is pretentious too; on all the apc albums.
when i was in high school, i was the hugest TOOL fan. i was excited to learn of apc, but in the end i give the band a thumbs down. the production value on these albums sucks shit. too glossy like all these other stupid rock bands. maynard's lyrics on TOOL albums are way better as well. i've heard that early album by maynard called c.a.d. or whatever it's called and that sucks too. it just goes to show you what the rest of TOOL brings to the table. i used to think maynard was a genius, it's sad what the last majority of a decade has produced.
i'm worried even in that area; maybe TOOL just peaked. TOOL is still my top choice but it seems same old same old. i want the difference from the new album (whenever it comes out) to be as enlightening as aenima was to undertow. Lateralus just wasn't a big enough jump. i felt transcended while listening to undertow and aenima. now i just feel like it's a cliche.
sorry for the rant, really passionate topic for me. i guess i'll just stick to my mars volta these days.
EDIT - mind you, the message on Lateralus is incredible; seems like the band is finally reaching the light at the end of that dark tunnel that undertow and aemina took so long to go through.
Just let the light touch you
And let the words spill through
And let them pass right through
Bringing out our hope and reason ...
before we pine away.
perfect ending to an album!
another personal fav is:
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
-sl-
Tapeworm was scrapped, I think Trent said so in one of the Q&A posts he's doing on www.nin.com
How has no one mentioned Fiddle and the Drum? That is song is fucking incredible.
Yeah, Joni Mitchell is great
Tool's Maynard James Keenan Says He's Found Jesus
04.05.2005 5:32 PM EDT
Status of Tool, A Perfect Circle unclear.
Has Maynard James Keenan, the frontman of both the dark, heavy-metal art band Tool and the somewhat lighter A Perfect Circle, found Jesus and been born again? Well ...
Recent postings on two Tool Web sites — one of them purportedly by
Keenan himself — contend that the singer has found religion and has left Tool. Could this really be? On Tuesday afternoon (April 5), MTV News' Kurt Loder e-mailed Keenan for confirmation, and this is what he e-mailed back: "I did, in fact, find Jesus. More news to follow. God bless ya."
Keenan's letter to fan site toolshed.down.net explains that "some recent events have led me to the rediscovery of Jesus" and that "Tool will need to take the back seat." A posting on Tool's Web site alludes to Maynard's newfound Christianity as well, but who wrote the post is unclear. It reads, "I went to the studio to give Maynard a bottle of wine ... [and] not only wasn't Maynard there, but ... I was told Maynard has indeed 'found Jesus' and that, for this reason, he's abandoned the project for the time being, if not entirely."
But given their timing (one dated March 31, the other April 1), both posts were dismissed as April Fools' pranks, leaving fans wondering whether Keenan and the rest of Tool were just having a little fun with everyone.
The band's management could not be reached for comment or confirmation on the matter.
Keenan would be the second rocker in as many months to profess a renewed interest in religion. In late February, Korn's management formally announced that guitarist Brian "Head" Welch was leaving his band to rededicate his life to Christianity (see "Brian 'Head' Welch Talks God To 10,000 In California Church").
Whether Keenan — the man responsible for songs like "Prison Sex" and "Jerk-Off" and who for a time carried business cards with the name "Jesus H. Christ" printed on them — will become the second rocker to turn his back on a high-profile, highly successful band to follow a more spiritual path remains something of a question mark for the time being. But at least one person expressed glee over Keenan's apparent decision: Head.
"This is a beautiful, beautiful outpouring of the Holy Spirit," Welch wrote in an e-mail to MTV News.
— Chris Harris
I heard about this. I really hope this is just one big joke!
Yeah, I read this on their website. But there's no way it can be true. I don't care as long as they release the new album.
the april fools joke has been something that's been going on for years on toolshed, it's become something that everyone knows will happen and can't wait to hear the next years installment. it was a notorious thing back in the day, sotry goes that empty-v (MTV) picked up the toolshed april fools joke about maynard dying or something and ran it as truth. it gave the site some exposure and now we all know and love the bullshit. just enjoy seeing what the webmaster kabir will come up with the next time it rolls around to the month of april.
-sl-
Maynard is loving all of this, I don't expect to hear a clarification or anything else from them until the new album comes out. Way to go fools, you came through again! :yabbse-thumbup: :yabbse-grin:
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TOOL: 10,000 days
MAY 2, 2006
:multi:
:shock:
I just peed a little.
Holy lord, that's the best news I've heard all year.
That cover is an LSD dream. I too am fucking excited beyond belief. This will be the first time I've gotten to anticipate one of their albums coming out, because I only got into them after Lateralus, but that was like 5 years ago.
I have a warning regarding the next Tool album...
http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Danny_Carey.html
QuoteDespite not becoming a Mason or aligning himself with any other school of religion, Danny has maintained his heritages interest in occult studies. Endeavors into this realm have manifested periodically, such as the time he achieved insight into a hidden aspect of the unicursal hexagram utilizing an astral journey initiated through meditation and DMT.
Danny then set up his drums into proportions utilizing the circle and square of the New Jerusalem and uttered a short prayer relating to the principles of the ace of swords from the book of Thoth. He then performed a ritual utilizing his new found knowledge of the unicursal hexagram to generate a pattern of movement in space relating to Fuller's vector equilibrium model. The resulting rhythm and gateway summoned a daemon he has contained within "the Lodge" that has been delivering short parables similar to passages within the Book of Lies. Danny recommends as a device of protection and containment a thorough study and utilization of the underlying geometry of the Temple of Solomon for anyone purchasing their next record.
Quote from: Walrus on March 30, 2006, 03:50:38 PM
I have a warning regarding the next Tool album...
http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Danny_Carey.html
Quotesuch as the time he achieved insight into a hidden aspect of the unicursal hexagram utilizing an astral journey initiated through meditation and DMT.
DMT? of course you're going to achieve insight into a hidden aspect of the unicusal hexagram utilizing an astral journey initiated through meditation when you're trippin you're balls off..unless he's talking about a Digital Monetary Trust..which i assume he's not...
Dimethyltryptamine - a tryptamine, theorized to be secreted by the pineal gland seems more up Danny's way.
Quote from: squints on March 30, 2006, 07:53:26 PM
DMT? of course you're going to achieve insight into a hidden aspect of the unicusal hexagram utilizing an astral journey initiated through meditation when you're trippin you're balls off..unless he's talking about a Digital Monetary Trust..which i assume he's not...
Dimethyltryptamine - a tryptamine, theorized to be secreted by the pineal gland seems more up Danny's way.
dictionary.com would've served you better if you were looking for a cut-and-paste defintion of DMT.
i thought tool were dead. it's hard to tell with all the lore and symbology.
now to figure out what this new title/artwork means..
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Quote from: Pubrick on March 31, 2006, 06:10:34 AM
now to figure out what this new title/artwork means..
i think it has to do something with jimi hendrix, jim morrison and jim henson.
by the way i don't like that artwork. i kind of never want to see another painted eye again.
what has happened to TOOL... i'm sick of this motif, that cover is the worst news possible.
time to try something new guys, you've become a carbon copy of yourself.
(And i have been a DIE HARD tool fan for over a decade and a half)
Opiate to undertow = pioneering differences
undertow to aenima = enlightening expericence
aenima to lateralus = slight departure, starting to get old
10,000 days = appears to be the same old shit.
The cover to that album has brought down my spirits for any hope on this album being good. they've past their prime. i know all the arguements against that POV but i don't care. It seems like they're writing from their heads instead of their hearts now. which happens so often in music and film. math (which i love as an element of music) has taken over from any raw emotion. they need to find that beautiful balance again.
go listen to the mars volta to get it back!
i'll buy it, but i'm expecting it to get old fast. I listened to opiate till the day undertow came out. then, i listened to undertow for five years till the next album album came out; on heavy rotation the whole time. i listened to aemina for another 5. then i listened to lateralus about 1.5 years and spent 3.5 with no TOOL in my life. I expect to get sick of this after 6 months or so. It's so sad considering TOOL shaped who i was in those formative years.
As much as it pains to say, out with the old, in with the new.
It's like that with most things, time to just let go. I should have seen it coming though. It all started to fall apart with the piece of shit band A Perfect Circle.
-sl-
I'm the total opposite of that ethos.
Opiate / Undertow were really boring to me.
AEnima was all right, had a few good songs.
Lateralus was amazing. Not a bad song on it to me.
As they progressed they turned more technical and were still able to remain heavy and intricate. Tool is a very unique sound, the "math" of it really adds to it. They don't use old formulas, the way they work now is very original and unpredictable. I'm quite excited for the new album.
Quote from: socketlevel on April 04, 2006, 03:48:48 PM
The cover to that album has brought down my spirits for any hope on this album being good. they've past their prime. i know all the arguements against that POV but i don't care. It seems like they're writing from their heads instead of their hearts now. which happens so often in music and film. math (which i love as an element of music) has taken over from any raw emotion. they need to find that beautiful balance again.
Just based on the cover alone you have doubts that it will be any good? That's crazy.
Socketlevel is overreacting, but I agree with most of what he said (in a less extreme sense).
Of course, basing the assumption that it sucks on the cover alone is ridiculous, but Lateralus was just Tool doing their best to stay Tool... just making what they felt would be expected... a disapointment. Hopefully this one will be better.
Also, there just aren't that many people who were listening to Opiate before Undertow came out.
Wait, on Lateralus, tracks like "Disposition" and "Reflection" were expected? Those tracks are trippy and haunting, not at all like their old stuff. There's supposed to be more like that on the new cd. I dunno how much of these "softer" tracks are affected by APC, but their could be a link there. In any case, they're aren't grimy like they used to be, but I think staying that way would be treading old ground.
Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on April 05, 2006, 07:50:09 AM
trippy
i couldn't read beyond this word. i hate it so much. wow. so much.
Quote from: Pubrick on April 05, 2006, 10:20:57 AM
Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on April 05, 2006, 07:50:09 AM
trippy
i couldn't read beyond this word. i hate it so much. wow. so much.
Thank you.
and Gamblour, yes, those tracks weren't exactly the same as other Tool and I really like those songs too, but overall, the album is a step backward.
Even those songs are kind of like weaker versions of the Live Pushit, but that don't really go where they should.
Quote from: RegularKarate on April 05, 2006, 02:28:09 PM
Even those songs are kind of like weaker versions of the Live Pushit, but that don't really go where they should.
Wait, are you saying you do or don't like the live version of Pushit?
Your answer will completely affect the amount of future credence I can give to your opinions re: Tool.
Quote from: Pubrick on April 05, 2006, 10:20:57 AM
Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on April 05, 2006, 07:50:09 AM
trippy
i couldn't read beyond this word. i hate it so much. wow. so much.
dude, whatever, it's a very cromulant word.
Quote from: polkablues on April 05, 2006, 07:10:15 PM
Wait, are you saying you do or don't like the live version of Pushit?
Your answer will completely affect the amount of future credence I can give to your opinions re: Tool.
I love the live version of Pushit. One of the best things they've done.
Quote from: RegularKarate on April 05, 2006, 10:31:03 PM
Quote from: polkablues on April 05, 2006, 07:10:15 PM
Wait, are you saying you do or don't like the live version of Pushit?
Your answer will completely affect the amount of future credence I can give to your opinions re: Tool.
I love the live version of Pushit. One of the best things they've done.
Thank god. I can keep respecting you.
i like the cover now, but man, i don't think i'll bear seeing it in black t-shirts everywhere after it gets released. cannot wait for the leak.
Single in a week: "Vicarious"
30 second clip of Vicarious: http://media.putfile.com/Tool---Vicarious---30sec-Clip-
A: how has this not leaked yet?
B: I really like that clip, I obviously can't make a judgement based on 30 secs, but this could easily be a recovery from the misstep that was Lateralus (though the cover certainly suggests otherwise).
Quote from: Ginger on April 14, 2006, 01:45:45 PM
30 second clip of Vicarious: http://media.putfile.com/Tool---Vicarious---30sec-Clip-
sounds like tool
Quote from: RegularKarate on April 14, 2006, 02:36:52 PM
A: how has this not leaked yet?
B: I really like that clip, I obviously can't make a judgement based on 30 secs, but this could easily be a recovery from the misstep that was Lateralus (though the cover certainly suggests otherwise).
Vicarious leaked, but that's it.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MZH00JDF
A lot of it sounds like Schism, which is surprising. It seems like that would be easy to stay clear of...the intro sounds just like that interlude from Schism, and the endings are kinda identical. I think it's pretty cool overall, just really different. For some reason, it reminds of Rush's late 90s albums compared to their genius stuff of the 80s.
Any transcript of lyrics? It sounds kinda political, about the war in Iraq..."I like to watch things die on TV" or whatever.
Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on April 15, 2006, 09:38:07 PM
Any transcript of lyrics? It sounds kinda political, about the war in Iraq..."I like to watch things die on TV" or whatever.
http://10000-days.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=666&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60
"Vicarious"
Eye on the TV
Cuz Tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavor
It happens to be
Like about the husband
Drowned by the ocean
Shot by his own son
He used a poison
In his tea
Kiss him goodbye
That's my kind of story
Its no fun till someone dies
Don't look at me like I am monster
Frown out your one face but with the other
Stare like a junkie
Into the TV
Stare like a zombie
While a mother
Holds her child
Watches her die
Hands to the sky
Crying
Why oh why!
Cuz I need to watch things die
From a distance
Vicariously I
Live while the world dies
You all need it too, don't lie
Why can't we just admit it?
Why can't we just admit it?
We won't give pause until the blood is flowing
Neither the brave nor bold
Writers of stories told
We won't give pause until the blood is flowing
I need to watch things die from a good safe distance
Vicariously I
Live while the whole world dies
You all feel the same so
Why can't we just admit it?
Blood like rain falling down
Drowning the brave and proud
The vampire, the warrior, carnivore and voyeur
Stare at the transmitter, sing to the death rattle
La la la la la la la lie
La la la la la la la lie
La la la la la la la lie
La la la la la la la lie
(Random TV broadcast)
Credulous at best your desire to believe in angels in the hearts of men
Pull your head on out, your head breathes and give a listen,
I shouldn't have to say it all again
The universe is hostile, so impossible
Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been
We all feed
On tragedy
It's like blood for a vampire
Vicariously I
Live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I
That's the best one, there are some amendments after that in the link, but I haven't changed what I copied to reflect it.
I've heard that this album is going to be much more political than the past albums, but there isn't going to be anything to date the lyrics, so that it will still hopefully hold up years from now.
I hope 10,000 Days doesn't turn out like emotive.
10,000 DAYS JUST LEAKED. let the hunt begin.
I have some rapidshare links but the site's fucking busy and I don't have a premium account. Here are the links, if you can get in tell me if it's the real deal.
http://tinyurl.com/ewv3z
http://tinyurl.com/fbq95
I hear the real thing's up on Oink and the one on mininova's a fake.
I downloaded the first link, it's the first ten songs plus the eleventh, but when you click on the eleventh song it tells you you need the second folder. Anyway it's the real deal.
Just got it off of oink......haven't had time for a good listen.
I really love it up until Rosetta Stoned, then it kind of stops being that good for me, but I still need to listen to it a few times.
The Talk-box or whatever solo on Jambi is fuggin rad.
First impressions: it flows really well. The sort of album you kind of have to listen to all at once. With the exception of Vicarious, there are no songs that really stand out as individual "songs", which is reminiscent of the latter half of Lateralus. You will never hear a song from this album (besides Vicarious) on the radio. Although The Pot is kind of a dumb song, I'm obsessed with the way Maynard's voice sounds on it. It's a type of singing I've never heard him do before (almost like Kettle and the Drum on Emotive, but different).
So far, based on one listen, I'd put it above Lateralus, but still a long ways below Aenima. Still, any new Tool is cause for celebration.
Quote from: polkablues on April 19, 2006, 07:22:49 PM
So far, based on one listen, I'd put it above Lateralus, but still a long ways below Aenima.
will you be my friend?
I don't get how you're placing Lateralus under an album you've only heard once, which is still lower than Aenima... what didn't you like about Lateralus?
Quote from: Walrus on April 19, 2006, 08:04:24 PM
what didn't you like about Lateralus?
Too prog. All head, no heart. Not bad, don't get me wrong. Just not as good.
So I'm in the middle of Right in Two, after my first real straight-through listen.
I agree that it flows very well...my favorite sequence is 10,000 Days (didn't care much for Wings of Marie) through Rosetta Stoned.
I don't think The Pot is a dumb song at all. like Hooker with a Penis, it's got a sense of humor. His style of singing on that song is very rough, like he's spitting out every syllable. Also, I absolutely love Lipan Conjuring. It's like Eon Blue Apocalypse and Mantra, but, like you said Polka, with heart. And the narrative of Lost Keys and Rosetta Stoned is intriguing, I wanna get my hands on the lyrics, the official ones.
I've read two things about this album: that they were gonna play with time signatures a lot and that it would be heavier than Lateralus. The latter I think is very untrue. Probably the most contemplative, slow and patient songs are on this album. However, time signatures....my god. Polka nailed Lateralus--it's very prog. The time signature play there is all math, it's very simple to hear it. On the song Lateralus, you feel every hemiola layering on top of each other. Unlike Polka, that's why I love that album. 10,000 Days, especially Jambi, seem to get lost in their own time signatures. It's still cool, but very hard to just sit and follow when you don't know where the next beat will land. It almost gets bogged down in it all, but never too much. That's probably my only complaint, and it's pretty minor. I think this album is great, as great as Lateralus. Aenima will always win with me.
Holy shit, Right in Two just went out of control. Very cool song....ok album over.
Quote from: polkablues on April 20, 2006, 12:18:05 AM
Quote from: Walrus on April 19, 2006, 08:04:24 PM
what didn't you like about Lateralus?
Too prog. All head, no heart. Not bad, don't get me wrong. Just not as good.
I'm inclined to disagree here. I think that Lateralus certainly did have a lot more concentration than Opium or Undertow, but I don't think they lost any heart at all. Songs like Grudge, Ticks and Leeches, and Lateralus immediately come to mind. Their other albums were amazing, but they really became mesmerizing by mixing the math into it. It was still heavy and was an adrenaline rush, but still had a level of intricacy that made it a nearly flawless album for me.
Maybe I've just got a softspot for prog rock. I just love how they can present complicated music that gives it a unique stamp (and Tool is VERY unique) like Dream Theater or Yes. Mostly it's good to see such talented musicians putting their talents to work without being overly pretentious. The Mars Volta can drive away possible fans sometimes as it might comes off as too artsy, sometimes becoming so complex that you can't really mosh to it, but either appreciate it or hate it. Tool finds a great mixture, showcasing their abilities and still bringing their emotion into the music. I am still yet to hear 10,000 Days, but I don't think it could tarnish my opinion of Lateralus.
But i think maybe the "math" is blinding you a little.
Maynard was very seperated from Lateralus, he wrote some really intense and heady lyrics, but he didn't put his soul into it at all. There's nothing that made me just say "wow" like with almost every track on Aenima.
At least on 10,000 days, he changes it up a little and you can hear the passion again instead of just "good singing".
The music is kind of the same thing on Lateralus, but I think that's because a lot of Tool's music plays off of Maynard's passion and if that's gone, the music is just following the map the notes have laid out.
Ok, so now we've all had time to let it sink in. New thoughts?
Jambi is indeed the shit. The Pot is still the shit. The whole album is very suprising and pleasing.
What songs on Lateralus don't sound like he put his all into it? That album is full of energy and life, but also takes the route of taking a more technical stance. I don't think they compromised anything and only gained by adding the intricate elements in Lateralus. They kept their energy from past albums and poured it into an album such as Lateralus, with a more refined approach. Tool was amazing because of their grit, but we're also shown that they don't rely on that raw sound, they can also dominate the hell out of complex syncopations (especially on 10,000 Days).
For me, it seems like Tool's albums have been on a steady incline (though I'm still not sure if I prefer 10,000 Days over Lateralus yet).
yeah, the problem with that is that you're wrong
I'd expect a much more intelligent post from you, RK.
Quote from: Walrus on May 04, 2006, 12:43:00 AM
I'd expect a much more intelligent post from you, RK.
Just try and argue with his logic, though. You can't do it!
Quote from: Walrus on May 04, 2006, 12:43:00 AM
I'd expect a much more intelligent post from you, RK.
haha, I was kidding. I got through to that Hanso line and just hit submit because I decided that I've argued it to death and it's not like I'm going to change anyone's minds on it.
I'm right, you're wrong... that's just the end of it.
haha... see how I did it again?
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree, sir.
Quote from: Walrus on May 04, 2006, 03:35:25 PM
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree, sir.
why don't you respectfully let it go?
Done and done.
So how bout this new album? :yabbse-sad:
Lateralus had solid songs, artistically and technically and musically. BUT I think I'm starting to realize what RK is talking about. The lyrical content of the songs (and by extension Maynard's singing) is much broader and more grandiloquent than ever before, all about spiritual experiences and blah blah....my point is that the range of meaning in the songs is very limited and lacks the anger (which had much passion behind it) found in the best of Tool's songs prior.
Don't get me wrong, I love Lateralus for many reasons, I'm only saying that after listening to the new album, I understand what RK is talking about. The depth and breadth of lyrical content on this album is really incredible. I still can't get over the sequence of Lipan Conjuring, Lost Keys, and Rosetta Stoned. It's such an inspired narrative (well maybe not, a guy does acid, thinks he's abducted and given knowledge to become a hero, but he forgets what it is....but it's in the way it's told). Equally Wings for Marie and 10,000 Days have that spiritual element from Lateralus, but feel very very personal (Judith Marie is Maynard's mother, so I've read...hence the APC song) and lacking that sanctimonious quality from Lateralus.
And the sheer ineloquence of The Pot amazes me.
Quote from: Walrus on May 03, 2006, 02:20:46 AM
That album is full of energy and life, but also takes the route of taking a more technical stance. I don't think they compromised anything and only gained by adding the intricate elements in Lateralus. They kept their energy from past albums and poured it into an album such as Lateralus, with a more refined approach. Tool was amazing because of their grit, but we're also shown that they don't rely on that raw sound, they can also dominate the hell out of complex syncopations (especially on 10,000 Days).
For me, it seems like Tool's albums have been on a steady incline (though I'm still not sure if I prefer 10,000 Days over Lateralus yet).
for those who dissagre w/what walrus posted..then you have no clue about music...the fact that lateralus is a much better album than aenima shouldnt be hard for one to understand...anyone who can hammer out the riff to back in black on air guitar should be adept at understanding this...
think w/ me a bit...and listen to the albums chronologically...[lets not do 10,000 days yet..its new]....but if you cannot say that they have improved in every concept that makes a band great from opiate to lateralus...then you clearly dont get it...i think the whole lateralus vs. aenima battle boils down to one thing..the people who prefer aenima more must know that lyrically and musically lateralus is the more superior album...but you guys just "like" aenima more...which brings us to to the old adage:
just b/c you like something more doesnt mean its better
Quote from: pyramid machine on May 10, 2006, 08:03:40 PM
i think the whole lateralus vs. aenima battle boils down to one thing..the people who prefer aenima more must know that lyrically and musically lateralus is the more superior album...but you guys just "like" aenima more...which brings us to to the old adage: just b/c you like something more doesnt mean its better
Which brings us to another old adage: just because
you think something doesn't made it correct.
Lyrically, you're flat-out wrong. Aenima is a whole world beyond Lateralus in terms of lyrics. Musically, you could be right, if and only if you conflate the term "more complex" with "superior". Coheed & Cambria play music that's more complex than the Beatles, but that doesn't make them a better band than the Beatles.
It's pretty predictable that Neon would come in here and make close-minded statements about the lesser album like that, but I'll go ahead and bite.
Music, I'm not gonna argue, if you can't understand that Lateralus and beyond is just cleaner and more machine-like than Aenima there's nothing I can do to change that, but the lyrics are so CLEARLY better on Aenima. Almost every song on that album has layer upon layer of meaning while Lateralus is just spouting off fun stuff to say that fits what Tool has always sung about, but in a more plain and obvious fashion.
Now it seems the argument is getting a little more pinpointed. Rather than arguing albums holistically, we see we've been arguing using different rubrics entirely. The lyrics on Lateralus aren't as amazing as on Aenima, I would agree with that. However, the musical talent, the synergy of the band, is clearly getting better and better. As a band they're growing tighter, which is amazing to see since they're all incredible separately.
So maybe Tool is losing their steam with lyrics and gaining more of a richer musical sound, I don't think that's any reason why their newer stuff is in any way bad. I can't say Tool has really let me down or released anything lackluster. Sometimes they just rock harder in certain aspects than others.
uh.... :oops:
after listening and reading the lyrics for both albums..you guys are right about the lyrics being better on aenima...and thats what makes me so cool..i'll admit when i'm wrong....but i totally disagree w/the musicianship...rk, when you say cleaner and more machine-like..i hope that synonomous with complex and more envelope -pushing....i still stand up to this...
on a side to get back to gamblor and 10k days...i love it....!!! and i can honestly say the wings part I and II...might be the best thing tool has put on cd...
You're the only one who can hold your head up high,
Shake your fists at the gates saying:
"I have come home now!
Fetch me the spirit, the son, and the father.
Tell them their pillar of faith has ascended.
It's time now!
My time now!
Give me my, give me my wings!"
Give me my wings!
You are the light and way, that they will only read about.
Set as I am in my ways and my arrogance,
Burden of proof tossed upon the believers.
You were the witness, my eyes, my evidence,
Judith Marie, unconditional one.
Daylight dims leaving cold fluorescence.
Difficult to see you in this light.
Please forgive this bold suggestion:
Should you see your Maker's face tonight,
Look Him in the eye, look Him in the eye, and tell Him:
I never lived a lie, never took a life, but surely saved one.
Hallelujah, it's time for you to bring me home.
awesome!
I came across this and tried it, it was actually quite awesome.
Has anyone heard about the alternate assemblies of the tracks on Lateralus? I read about it on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateralus) with skepticism, but they really do sound pretty awesome. Especially the Lateralus Prophecy arrangement.
I don't know if they planned it all out, but there are so many coincidences for them to have not intended on any of it.
maynard has a solo album coming out soon. you can hear some tracks on www.puscifer.com or his myspace