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Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: AnubisGOJ on March 16, 2003, 09:03:02 AM
Throughout the scope of his films and the multitude of viewers, the only thing that can be gleamed is how polarized the audience is over each and every one.
   Kubrick was a master on many levels, and I must admit that even I do not enjoy all of the films he has made. However I can see in even those that I do not, that they were multi-faceted- enjoyable on multiple levels.

   Many conventional movie-goes just "don't get" Kubrick's films. They percieve them as too slow, or nonsensical . Unfortunately, even professional reviewers tend to get bogged down in them.

   For me, the element that made Kubrick great was his pacing. The timing of most scenes have been tweaked for maximum impact. For example: Eyes Wide Shut- When Cruise's character speaks with his friend, the party-host- The timing was so flawless that something would be said... and right as you mind digests the revelation of what was spoken, the other character would start and twist the information a little bit more. The whole scene would twist and twist in a verbal duel that very much engaged me as a silent debater.

   I consider AI for the most part a Kubrick film, for the majority of it shares a layer of complexity that his films enjoy. These are the little snags in the story that pick at your brain, and inspire debate with your friends afterwards... It's interesting the note that the only truly human character was the robotic Jigolo Joe, and that of all the characters- he was the only one with a sense of reality. Like many of the films, there are debatable topics... such as Eyes Wide Shut: Was his wife at the orgy/party. A direct response would be no... but enough questions keep popping up.

Full Metal Jacket is the most anethema of all of the Kubrick pieces. I too view it as two separate films, and consider the first half a draining experience. The second is more or less a spiral of things that are out of control. In this one, I see the sniper as a pivotal character. Of everyone there, she's the only one who seems to be fighting the war. They kill her so they can get on with the pretext of "going to war".

It takes a masterful director to hit so many genres and yet hardly falter.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on March 16, 2003, 10:51:26 AM
totally.

welcome, btw.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Duck Sauce on March 16, 2003, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: AnubisGOJ

Full Metal Jacket is the most anethema of all of the Kubrick pieces. I too view it as two separate films, and consider the first half a draining experience. The second is more or less a spiral of things that are out of control. In this one, I see the sniper as a pivotal character. Of everyone there, she's the only one who seems to be fighting the war. They kill her so they can get on with the pretext of "going to war".


Youll love this thread

http://xixax.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=291


very nice first post though, Welcome.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: bonanzataz on March 29, 2003, 05:25:32 PM
So as not to start a new thread, I'll just add to this one.

Does anybody else feel like Kubrick was a great comedy director? IAnd I'm not just talking about the obvious one (Dr. Strangelove). All of his films feel like comedies to me. They all make me laugh really hard. Lolita is fucking hilarious, I couldn't stop laughing. Clockwork Orange kills me. The Shining... watching Jack descend into madness is just great. His exchanges with Shelley Duvall are priceless.

Shelley (happy as a clam): The weather forecast said it's gonna snow tomorrow, hun!
Pause...
Jack (irritated as all hell): What do you want me to do about it?

Ha! Eyes Wide Shut is one of my favorites, just for the absurdity. Even Nicole Kidman on the Eyes Wide Shut DVD is talking about how she loves laughing at the bedroom scene, she thinks Kubrick has such a great sense of humor.

I think that people revere Kubrick so much just because he's supposedly the "greatest director ever." People take his movies way too seriously, and that's why EWS was so confusing to people. They just didn't get the point. I get such pleasure from his movies because you laugh at the oddest places. I love those little idiosyncrasies in EWS, like the very beginning where Kidman is taking a piss and wipes her crotch. I don't know why, but it makes me laugh, feeling like this voyeurist that gets to see Nicole Kidman wipe her crotch and casually discuss stupid shit with Tom Cruise as she does it. When I watch 2001, I can't just sit back and enjoy the greatness, I get so wrapped up in it. I get the same rush out of 2001 as I get from xXx (and I KNOW some of you take that statement as blasphemy but let me explain). Both movies have such excitement. When Dave is in the pod without his helmet and HAL won't open the pod bay doors, I'm just sitting on the couch going "Oh shit, Dave, how you gonna get out of this one?!" just like when Vin Diesel is about to get killed by an avalanche and I'm like "Damn, Xander, you're totally fucked!"

Where Kubrick FAR surpasses your standard comedy or action flick is how he balances out the funny and the creepy in this indescribable way where you're not sure if it's funny or if it's creepy, and in the underlying story that's not so easily spelled out. 2001 isn't just a movie for idiots like me to point at the screen and laugh. It's so grand and big, and questions the existence of man and blah blah, you can figure it out for yourselves. EWS isn't a movie for conventional audiences because...what the hell is it? Why do we care that Tom Cruise went to an orgy and is conflicted about it. Is that the only thing that happened? No, obviously. I feel like it's a study of marriage, and how fucked up people are. I could go on and on with my interpretations of Kubrick movies, but I'm not going to. I think you get the point.

Kubrick was a great director, but I feel like people nowadays watch his movies to be cutting edge. He is one of my favorite directors, but I don't watch a Kubrick movie trying to get into the mindset of, "Here comes the heaviest movie you'll ever see." I'm not afraid to say I laugh at parts of his movies that other people try to take so seriously. I'm not saying I'm right and everybody else is wrong. Hell, for all I know, Kubrick thought EWS was a groundbreaking cinematic masterpiece...certainly nothing to be scoffed about! But it gives me pleasure to laugh at the wacky things he throws in his movies, regardless of intention.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Cecil on March 29, 2003, 05:40:03 PM
yes, people dont get that theres alot of humour and, mostly, alot of satire in his movies.

im not afraid to laugh during any of his films if i feel the need to. but i never restrain from laughing during anything that i find funny (that maybe isnt supposed to) in any film.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Keener on April 25, 2003, 08:59:58 PM
I totally laughed during A Clockwork Orange, The Shining and Full Metal Jacket. Then again, I have a very dark sense of humour.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Cecil on April 25, 2003, 10:45:45 PM
Quote from: Keener
I totally laughed during A Clockwork Orange, The Shining and Full Metal Jacket. Then again, I have a very dark sense of humour.


cool
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 26, 2003, 09:35:22 AM
I certainly understand the identification of comedy in A Clockwork Orange, Dr. Strangelove, and Full Metal Jacket, given how they do exist as satirical films. I don't understand the comedy though found in The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut, since they really are not satirical films at all. Their structures and feeling more match the gradual pulling of the viewer into a world that keeps on going further into a world of horror and strange beauty, that most resembles movies like 2001: A Space Odyssey and Barry Lyndon. The most identiable thing about those movies is the blandness that the movie starts out with in not trying to excite, but to draw in gradually like a novel would.

~rougerum
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Tiff on May 11, 2003, 07:53:13 AM
lolita, people. lolita.  :lol:
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: USTopGun47 on May 18, 2003, 06:55:44 PM
Kubrick truly is able to weave so much craft into his films.  Like Shakespeare with Romeo and Juliet - many of his films like The Shining can be great from both POV's - tragedy or comedy.  What a genius though to highlight so many different styles and trump them all.  All hail.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 18, 2003, 07:35:53 PM
i think tarantino should of done like kubrick and stayed away from the cool crowd.

i heard kubrick was a weirdo in real life and since he was so distant from the public , his weirdness was seen as enigmatic

where as poor qt, when he does weird things it becomes fodder for tabloids

this i will say i remember laughing a lot when qt got arrested for getting into a fight over the fact that wesley snipes is so dark

only he could find himself getting into this kind of situtation

i have to think the only things he likes to talk about are movies and other pop culture shit

i can not see him talking about real human issues
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: USTopGun47 on May 18, 2003, 07:39:23 PM
very true.  kubrick's strange esoteric ecentricness is viewed as very artistic and brilliant.  though so many artists are like that.  weird guy socially, so much in his head.  good demonstration on the shining documentary.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 18, 2003, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: USTopGun47
very true.  kubrick's strange esoteric ecentricness is viewed as very artistic and brilliant.  though so many artists are like that.  weird guy socially, so much in his head.  good demonstration on the shining documentary.


yeah thats how i see it, socially weird.

lots of great people are, and qt is very socially weird

so was stanley kubrick, but he did the right thing
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: EL__SCORCHO on May 22, 2003, 07:48:19 PM
I heard Kubrick's an asshole who doesn't pay well. During The Killing when he wasn't famous his crew worked for practically nothing and when he made money off the film he didnt give them anything. cheap bastard.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Cecil on May 22, 2003, 08:24:48 PM
Quote from: EL__SCORCHO
I heard Kubrick's an asshole who doesn't pay well.


yes, thats what his ennemies would WANT you to believe
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: ©brad on May 23, 2003, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: EL__SCORCHO
I heard Kubrick's an asshole who doesn't pay well. During The Killing when he wasn't famous his crew worked for practically nothing and when he made money off the film he didnt give them anything. cheap bastard.


no doubt a filthy rumour proliferated by kubrick haters. the killing was made in 1956, and was no doubt a low-budget film. from what i know as his career progressed most of his budgets went to getting the top crews and camera equipment.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: USTopGun47 on May 23, 2003, 04:03:42 PM
LoL oh yeah... I mean look at how many takes he would make them do for each scene...not the typical 5-10 but about 100.  Really.  Hehe funny how he would play chess with pompous actors to show them their place.  He's definetly got a rough NYC mentality about him.  Hard guy, ohh yeah.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Henry Hill on February 04, 2004, 08:05:09 PM
...is that he loved this movie



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Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: modage on February 25, 2004, 09:58:18 PM
thought someone might find this interesting...

What films/filmmakers impressed Kubrick
"There are very few directors, about whom you'd say you automatically have to see everything they do. I'd put Fellini, Bergman and David Lean at the head of my first list, and Truffaut at the head of the next level."

Stanley Kubrick (1966)

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"He watched The Godfather again [...] and was reluctantly suggesting for the 10th time that it was possibly the greatest movie ever made and certainly the best cast"

Michael Herr (1999) writing in Vanity Fair.

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In 1963 he was asked by the US publication Cinema to compile a list of his favourite films They were:

I Vitelloni (Federico Fellini, 1953),
Wild Strawberries (Ingmar Bergman, 1958),
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941),
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (John Huston, 1948),
City Lights (Charles Chaplin, 1931),
Henry V (Laurence Olivier, 1945),
La Notte (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1961),
The Bank Dick (W.C. Fields, 1940),
Roxie Hart (William Wellman, 1942),
Hell's Angels (Howard Hughes, 1930).

Q: Have the works of certain directors, or pictures, been milestones for you?

SK: "I believe Bergman, De Sica, and Fellini are the only three filmmakers in the world who are not just artistic opportunists. By this I mean they don't just sit wait for a good story to come along and then make it. They have a point of view which is expressed over and over and over again in their films, and they themselves write or have original material written for them."

Kubrick was known to be a fan of the German director Max Ophuls, "Highest of all I would rate Max Ophuls, who for me possessed every possible quality. He has an exceptional flair for sniffing out good subjects, and he got the most out of them. He was also a marvellous director of actors." and his use of tracking is especially reminiscent of Ophuls work - "I particularly admired his fluid camera techniques." Compare the barracks scene of Hartman in Full Metal Jacket with Peter Ustinov Circus master in Lola Montes (1955).

on Elia Kazan: "without question the best director we have in America. And he's capable of performing miracles with the actors he uses."

In later decades it was reported that he was also very fond of Kieslowski's Dekalog (1) series of films contributing a forward to the published screen plays as well as reportedly lending a copy to Frederic Raphael when they began their collaboration on the script of Eyes Wide Shut. He said of Krzysztof Kieslowski and his co-author, Krzysztof Piesiewicz: "it should not be out of place to observe that they have the very rare ability to dramatise their ideas rather than just talking about them [...] They do this with such dazzling skill, you never see the ideas coming and don't realize until much later how profoundly they have reached your heart."

Katharina Kubrick-Hobbs was asked on amk about her father's favourite films, she responded:

"...he loved FILM, period.

Obviously the "great" film directors that this group knows so well were also appreciated by Stanley. He watched them all. Even bad films have good moments,or interesting shots in them.

But there does seem to be a weird desire from people to "list" things.The best, the worst. greatest,most boring etc.etc.

For the record, I happen to know that he liked:

Closely Observed Trains (Jiri Menzel, 1966)
An American Werewolf in London (John Landis, 1981)
The Fireman's Ball (Milos Forman, 1967)
Metropolis (Fritz Lang , 1926)
Spirit of the Beehive (Victor Erice, 1973)
White Men Can't Jump (Ron Shelton, 1992)
Beauty and the Beast (Jean Cocteau,1946)
The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972)
Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)
Dog-day Afternoon (Sidney Lumet , 1975)
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest (Milos Forman, 1975)
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941)
Abigail's Party (Mike Leigh, 1979)
Silence of the Lambs (Jonathan Demme , 1991)

and I know that he hated "The Wizard of Oz" Ha Ha!
Don't go analysing yourself to death over this half remembered list. He liked movies on their own terms."

David Lynch also talks about Eraserhead being one of Kubrick's favourite films in Lynch On Lynch. Apparently he met some people from Lucasfilm when The Elephant Man was being shot and was told by them that Kubrick had screened Eraserhead for them.

Another film Kubrick was reported to have admired was Michael Moore's Roger & Me and Jan Harlan added Tarkovsky's Solaris , Carlos Saura's Blood Wedding and Edgar Reitz's Heimat to this ever growing list.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: modage on February 25, 2004, 10:04:13 PM
also...

What was the favourite Kubrick movie of other notable directors?
The French magazine Positif recently asked directors about the Stanley Kubrick film that meant the most to them. The favourites were as followed
 1 : 2001: A Space Odyssey
 2 : Paths of glory
 3 : Dr Strangelove / A Clockwork Orange
 5 : Barry Lyndon
 6 : Full metal Jacket
 7 : Lolita
 8 : The Killing
 9 : The Shining
10 : Spartacus / Killer's Kiss

The poll was conducted before the release of Eyes Wide Shut. Pascal Ferran saw it because she dubbed it into French and two other quoted it without seeing it. "No answer" means that either they didn't answer the question or said something like "it's too difficult to pick one". it doesn't necessarily mean they don't like SK's movies.

Woody Allen :  Paths Of Glory  
Robert Altman :  No Answer  
Gianni Amelio :  Paths Of Glory  
Théo Angelopoulos :  No Answer  
Marco Bellochio:  No Answer  
John Boorman :  All  
Catherine Breillat :  Lolita  
Jane Campion :  Paths Of Glory, Lolita, A Clockwork Orange, The Shining  
Claude Chabrol :  Lolita, Full Metal Jacket  
Francis Ford Coppola :  Dr Strangelove
Alain Corneau :  The Killing  
Michel Deville :  The Shining , Full Metal Jacket  
Carlos Diegues:  Killer's Kiss  
Stanley Donen :  2001: A Space Odyssey  
Bruno Dumont :  Barry Lyndon  
Clint Eastwood :  Paths Of Glory  
Atom Egoyan :  HAL in 2001: A Space Odyssey  
Pascal Ferran :  Barry Lyndon, Eyes Wide Shut  
William Friedkin :  Paths Of Glory, 2001: A Space Odyssey, The Killing, Full Metal Jacket (First 40 Minutes)  
Rol De Heer :  2001: A Space Odyssey, Dr Strangelove
Jean-Pierre Jeunet :  A Clockwork Orange
Pierre Jolivet :  Paths Of Glory  
Philip Kaufman :  A Clockwork Orange
Elia Kazan :  No Answer  
Irvin Keshner :  2001: A Space Odyssey
Emir Kusturika :  2001: A Space Odyssey  
Patrice Leconte :  Paths Of Glory  
Mike Leigh :  2001: A Space Odyssey  
Richard Lester :  2001: A Space Odyssey  
Sidney Lumet :  2001: A Space Odyssey, Paths Of Glory  
Dusan Makavejev :  The Shining, Spartacus, Paths Of Glory, Dr Strangelove, A Clockwork Orange, 2001: A Space Odyssey  
Mario Martone :  2001: A Space Odyssey
Laetitia Masson :  The Killing, Lolita, Full Metal Jacket  
Claude Miller :  Barry Lyndon
Gaspar Noé :  2001: A Space Odyssey
Marcel Ophuls :  Lolita  
Lucian Pintillie :  2001: A Space Odyssey  
Roman Polanski :  A Clockwork Orange
Sydney Pollack :  Dr Strangelove, Barry Lyndon  
Alain Resnais :  2001: A Space Odyssey, Full Metal Jacket
Arturo Ripstein :  Paths Of Glory
Fransesco Rosi :  Dr Strangelove  
Claude Sautet :  2001: A Space Odyssey  
Jerry Schatzberg :  Paths Of Glory  
Martin Scorsese :  Barry Lyndon
Oliver Stone :  Dr Strangelove
Bertrand Tavernier :  No Answer  
Paolo and  
Vittorio Taviani :  Paths Of Glory
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: ono on February 25, 2004, 10:07:21 PM
What kind of person (director OR otherwise really) gives no answer?  Rhetorical question, obviously.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on February 25, 2004, 10:22:12 PM
i think that's been posted before.

anyway, Michael Deville and Pascal Ferran must be geniuses. and props go to scorsese for not being afraid to name a piece of work that overlapped with his own career.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: ©brad on February 25, 2004, 10:35:52 PM
dude, i wish 30 legendary filmmakers would rank mywork.

and white men can't jump is classic. hah.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: modage on February 25, 2004, 10:37:58 PM
Quote from: ©brad
dude, i wish 30 legendary filmmakers would rank mywork.

and white men can't jump is classic. hah.

haha i know.  its like 'which one of these is not like the other?'  :roll:
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: ono on February 25, 2004, 11:12:41 PM
Quote from: P
anyway, Michael Deville and Pascal Ferran must be geniuses.

Why do you say that?
Quote from: ©brad
and white men can't jump is classic. hah.

Agreed.  Whether you were being sarcastic or not.  Not in the "man, that's a work of art" sense, but in the "we goin' sizzler!" and "a thing of beauty is a joy forever" sense.  "My man John Keats said that!"  It's just a great, fun, definitely rewatchable movie.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on February 25, 2004, 11:15:58 PM
Quote from: Onomatopoeia
Why do you say that?

for acknowledging his "later" works.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on February 26, 2004, 12:08:02 AM
What's with William Friedkin only liking "the first 40 minutes" of Full Metal Jacket?
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: ©brad on February 26, 2004, 10:19:04 AM
i know. that's what most ppl who don't know much about kubrick/movies say though.  :shock: (i actually heard that a lot when i took freshman intro. to cinema)
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on February 26, 2004, 08:58:25 PM
Wow.  That Friedkin quote really points out how juvenile and narrow-minded he is.  That's something you say at the first year of film school, of if you're a guy who listened to an audio commentary and thinks they're a film scholar-- not if you directed the fucking French Connection or The Exorcist.  What a tool.
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Post by: SmellyBoobFungus on February 26, 2004, 10:17:28 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
What's with William Friedkin only liking "the first 40 minutes" of Full Metal Jacket?


c'mon fellas, dont be silly. be careful about throwing the word tool around. you could merely be misinterpretating a couple words that is completely distorting your view of a director. maybe he liked the movie altogether, but just thought the boot camp was more impactful. i sure did.
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Post by: eward on February 26, 2004, 10:20:45 PM
as did i.  and i understand everything kubrick was doing in the second half, i personally just didn't feel it worked as well as the first.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on February 27, 2004, 07:52:19 AM
Quote from: eward
and i understand everything kubrick was doing in the second half,

i don't think u do.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: eward on February 27, 2004, 09:42:44 AM
nah i actually do, i just don't admire it as much as the boot camp segments.  dont misunderstand me, i like the film, and i like alot of the second half, i just happen to think the first is better.  no big deal.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on February 28, 2004, 02:50:25 AM
i'm not gonna get into it, but the fact that u think of the movie as two parts shows that u don't understand it at all.

there's three.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Fernando on August 17, 2004, 12:46:00 PM
Nice little article (http://www.littlewingpinball.com/html/eng/reiko/index.html) about a guy who met Kubrick the human not the god.

While posting this I was listening Bjork's Human Behavior. It was cool.

Capricious Essay ---My Memories of Stanley Kubrick

I've always been a big Stanley Kubrick fan. Only he and a few other directors (Visconti and Woody Allen, to name two) impress me so much that I always see their films in theaters, rather than on video.

This essay is called "My Memories..." because, about ten years ago, I visited Stanley at his home. I was in London for an English course. I had a friend who, it turned out, was going to Mr. Kubrick's house to deliver some TV monitors. He told me he needed a hand, and of course I was delighted to go along!

It was a sunny afternoon in May. We drove through the countryside to a village outside London. England in the spring was just gorgeous. The hills were covered with many kind of white wildflowers.

We arrived at a large estate. My friend spoke into the intercom, and the gate opened automatically. The little iron gate was designed to be simple. We had to drive a while before we reached the house, which was not visible from the gate.

We knocked on the thick wooden door, and it was opened by a man with a gentle smile. His blond hair was tied in a ponytail. He seemed to be one of Stanley's assistants. I'll refer to him as R.

R. took us to a room with video-editing equipment. Stanley was there, working on his film, "Full Metal Jacket." Though it was already playing in the theaters, he was still making some subtle changes to it.

I expected Stanley to be more intimidating. However, he was a gentle man, and very down-to-earth. He asked us about the high vision equipment. He wanted to use a high vision system for his next film. (That film would be "Eyes Wide Shut" -- but the system wasn't used.)

He asked us if we'd like some coffee, and brought it to us himself. Here was a world-famous director, serving coffee to a guy who just delivered some TV monitors, and an unknown girl! I was impressed. I wish I'd kept the coffee cup as a souvenir.

It was a beautiful country-style house -- sufficiently big, but not huge. There were many rooms. R. showed me around. The doors to most of the rooms were open. They contained little furniture or decoration, but I saw many reels of film stored in them. No one else was in the house except Stanley and R. It was very quiet and peaceful.

I got the impression that Stanley didn't need many possessions that weren't related to filmmaking. I think he wanted to keep everything around him as simple as possible, so he could dedicate his life to his work.

While my technician friend adjusted the monitors, R. took me to one of the mostly-vacant rooms and showed me some still photos from Stanley's films. We sat on the dark wood floor and talked about the films. R. also complained a bit about how hard it was to be Stanley's assistant. Nonetheless, he spoke about Stanley with love and respect, and I could tell he was happy to be there. As he smoked, he used the lid of a big film can as an ashtray. I though that was cool.

When my friend finished with the monitors, Stanley gave me a still from Full Metal Jacket. For some reason, I did not ask him to sign it. I don't know why. Maybe the atmosphere was too friendly, and I didn't want to break it.

We spent whole afternoon there. When we are about to go, Stanley invited us to a pub for dinner.

It was an ordinary English pub in a ordinary English village. They were having a celebration -- I think it was the pub's anniversary -- and everyone's meal was free. It was delicious: Mashed potatoes with gravy, vegetables, and roast beef. No one recognized Stanley -- or, if they did, they didn't make a fuss over him. The four of us drank beer cheerfully and talked loudly. We had a great time.

It was a strange and happy experience. I remember the day so clearly. We spent the whole afternoon like old friends. It felt like we were in a different time-stream.

I wanted to remember where Stanley's house was, but I'm direction-blind. I should have gotten his address from my friend, so that I could have sent Stanley some New Year's cards. But it's okay; that afternoon belongs to that afternoon. It's a completed experience. My life and Stanley's crossed at that point, and it was wonderful.

Good bye, Stanley. I'm sorry I won't see your next film ---- whatever it might have been. Thanks for the great films, and for the cup of coffee.

Reiko L. Fujita
My Memories of Stanley Kubrick
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: El Duderino on August 25, 2004, 11:12:54 PM
I've only just recently gotten into Kubrick. I had seen Full Metal Jacket a few years back and didn't really like it (i was like 11). but this past week i have really gotten into him. i started with Full Metal Jacket again, loved every fucking minute of it, why people separate the movie in halves is beyond me. then i watched 2001 and was completely blown away. what he did with technology in the 60s is just amazing. i dunno if anyone else had seen this, but there was an episode of the simpsons where they get a HAL-like system in their house which is voiced by Pierce Brosnan and it tries to seduce Marge and kill Homer...so almost everytime HAL came on, i chuckled. i blind bought Barry Lyndon for $10 so i have that to look forward to, and i have just finished reading the script for Eyes Wide Shut, which i really loved...cant wait to see it. i think the kubrick film i've most been anticipated for is A Clockwork Orange, which i hope to see really soon. that's all.
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Post by: The Perineum Falcon on August 25, 2004, 11:26:47 PM
Quote from: HAL Duderino
I started with Full Metal Jacket again, loved every fucking minute of it, why people separate the movie in halves is beyond me.

Well, it kinda does the job for them. Halfing it up, I mean.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: ono on August 25, 2004, 11:43:17 PM
I wish I could watch Kubrick's films again for the first time.  Especially Eyes Wide Shut.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: MacGuffin on August 26, 2004, 12:09:08 AM
Quote from: ono.
I wish I could watch Kubrick's films again for the first time.  Especially Eyes Wide Shut.


Have you tried Lacuna, Inc.?

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Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 26, 2004, 12:32:21 AM
Quote from: eward
nah i actually do, i just don't admire it as much as the boot camp segments.  dont misunderstand me, i like the film, and i like alot of the second half, i just happen to think the first is better.  no big deal.

Quote from: Pubrick
i'm not gonna get into it, but the fact that u think of the movie as two parts shows that u don't understand it at all.

there's three.

More of the "how many parts is FMJ?" debate here...

http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=291&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=36
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: ono on August 26, 2004, 12:52:17 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: ono.
I wish I could watch Kubrick's films again for the first time.  Especially Eyes Wide Shut.


Have you tried Lacuna, Inc.?

I don't remember.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: cowboykurtis on June 02, 2005, 01:33:28 AM
anyone else thinks this is ridiculously funny?

Fixed font - Proportional font
 

 STANLEY KUBRICK, SELF-HATING JEW

NY Post  

 By ROD DREHER

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 ThE late Stanley Kubrick once remarked that 'Hitler was right about almost
everything,'' and insisted that any trace of Jewishness be expunged from the
'Eyes Wide Shut'' script that author Frederic Raphael was writing for him.

Kubrick also trashed 'Schindler's List,'' dismissed 'Gone With the Wind'' as
'a terrible movie,'' and disclosed a preoccupation with actor Kirk Douglas'
potent sexual prowess.

These revelations are found in the pages of 'Eyes Wide Open: A Memoir of
Stanley Kubrick,'' Raphael's account of his strained two-year working
relationship with the reclusive, New York-born Jewish director, who lived in
self-imposed exile in a high-security English countryside hermitage.

Kubrick died on March 7 this year at age 70. 'Eyes Wide Shut'' is set to
open July 16. The book is to be published June 30 by Ballantine.

Raphael, a prolific novelist and Oscar-winning screenwriter, paints a solemn
and quizzical, if ultimately sympathetic, portrait of the legendary director
of such films as 'Dr. Strangelove,'' 'A Clockwork Orange,'' and '2001: A
Space Odyssey.''

The Kubrick that emerges is the classic eccentric artist as tyrannical
taskmaster, obsessing over minute details and seemingly indifferent to the
needs and opinions of those who serve him.

Yet, as exasperating as working for Kubrick apparently was for him, Raphael
ruefully admits that it was worth it just to have been creatively involved
with the man many regarded as the world's greatest living director.

In the summer of 1994, Kubrick sent Raphael, then living in France, a novel
to read and judge suitable for screen adaptation. It was 'Traumnovelle,'' or
'Dream Novella,'' a turn-of-the-century erotic fiction by Arthur Schnitzler.

But in a mark of Kubrick's weird and secretive nature, he refused to tell
Raphael the identity of the work's author (Raphael guessed).

The novella by Schnitzler, who also wrote the play on which the Nicole
Kidman stage vehicle 'The Blue Room'' was based, concerns the kinky,
extramarital adventures of a Viennese Jew and his wife.

Kubrick wanted to shift the narrative to modern-day New York.

Raphael decided he was up to the task, and visited Kubrick at his English
country estate. Upon returning to France, Raphael noted the director's
'strangely passive curiosity,'' and told his wife that one visit with the
inscrutable Kubrick could give a (male) screenwriter a good impression of
what it was like to be a woman: 'You don't know exactly what he wants, but
you know he wants he doesn't know what and hopes you can supply it. He has
virtually no (MD+IT)ideas(MD-IT) at all.''

Kubrick's bizarre relationship to his own ethnicity deeply troubled Raphael,
a fellow Jew. While demanding an almost slavish fidelity to the Schnitzler
novella, described by Raphael as being 'impregnated with Jewishness,''
Kubrick nevertheless instructed Raphael to expunge all Jewishness from his
adaptation.

Raphael speculates that understanding Kubrick the Jew is fundamental to
understanding the man. He speculates that Kubrick's penchant for secrecy and
paranoia came from an outsider's fear of being found out and hounded by
'those people,'' i.e., Gentiles. For Raphael, Kubrick is 'the sedentary
wandering Jew, rootlessly rooted within his own defenses.''

Raphael puzzles over Kubrick's cryptic praise for Hitler, unable to decide
if Kubrick was jesting.

'Jewishness is not something that will unite us,'' Raphael scribbles in his
notebook. 'On the contrary, it will license him to deal consciencelessly
with me. Jews are often (MD+IT)real(MD-IT) Jews only with each other.''

And Kubrick was downright acidic on the subject of 'Schindler's List.''

'That was about success, wasn't it?'' he reportedly said. 'The Holocaust is
about six million people who get killed. 'Schindler's List' was about six
hundred people who don't.''
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on June 02, 2005, 01:51:29 AM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
anyone else thinks this is ridiculously funny?'

yes. as i've said before, the book is a piece of crap. he's right about schindle tho.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Gamblour. on June 02, 2005, 06:46:30 AM
I think that's really weird, and flies in the face of this guy's idea: Wolf at the Door (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0820471151/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/103-8270294-6518262?v=glance&s=books&n=507846&st=*)

By reading the first page on Amazon, the guy is arguing that, in the scene where the overtestosteroned guys push Tom Cruise into a car, Kubrick made sure that the Blue Mercedes that was in the book appeared in the movie, and that this tied to Fascism somehow.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Fernando on June 02, 2005, 09:51:39 AM
Quote from: Pubrick
Quote from: cowboykurtis
anyone else thinks this is ridiculously funny?'

yes. as i've said before, the book is a piece of crap.


I've always blamed Spielberg for the non filming of Aryan Papers, given that they were similars in its theme.

Edit.

Quote from: Pubrick
he's right about schindle tho.


Right.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: thadius sterling on June 29, 2005, 08:01:17 PM
I love all of Kubrick' Films, almost equally. He's my hero, heh
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: cine on June 29, 2005, 10:08:08 PM
pubrick is going to rape you  :yabbse-undecided:
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: thadius sterling on July 01, 2005, 03:39:38 AM
que
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: modage on July 01, 2005, 10:41:53 AM
he's going to rape que too.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: SiliasRuby on July 01, 2005, 12:02:54 PM
Quote from: thadius sterling
que

P, or pubrick is the definitive Kubrick fan. He adores all of his films and when cine said that pubrick was going to rape you, it (the post) sounded quite sly and quirky.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 01, 2005, 11:54:26 PM
Quote from: SiliasRuby
He adores all of his films

With some notable exceptions.
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: SiliasRuby on July 02, 2005, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: SiliasRuby
He adores all of his films

With some notable exceptions.

Ah....ok. Which ones? Can someone give me a redirect link?
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on July 02, 2005, 11:14:29 PM
Quote from: SiliasRuby
Ah....ok. Which ones? Can someone give me a redirect link?

http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?p=184673#184673
Title: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: SiliasRuby on July 03, 2005, 12:37:54 AM
ok thanks p.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on March 02, 2007, 08:50:10 AM
no idea where to put this.

i was just thinking about how kubrick said Eraserhead was his favourite film (at the time).. well here's the idea i had:

what if he was being sarcastic the whole time and the ppl he took to the screening were just too in awe to realise it? can you imagine that, he could have meant it like "hey guys come over my house and watch my favourite movie, Little Man."  he was coming off his biggest failure and in his usual frustration/obsession over his next project he could have been experiencing the germination of Jack Torrance's acerbic sarcasm. the invitation to the screening would be like the MONDAY sequence, when jack calls danny over to sit with him, and the son asks him if he likes the hotel and jack goes "i love this hotel, don't you?.... i love you danny, i love you more than anything in the whole world, and i'd never do anything to hurt ya ... come see my favourite movie, eraserhead ...   :crazyeyes: "

anyway, that just occurred to me while watching joe pesci in goodfellas.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Fernando on March 02, 2007, 09:15:49 AM
he was coming off his biggest failure

 :yabbse-sad:

Don't give mod more ammo.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on March 02, 2007, 09:50:15 PM
Are you referring to Barry Lyndon as his biggest failure?  That would've been the most recent Kubrick film in relation to the release of Eraserhead, unless you mean A Clockwork Orange, but I'm only basing that on the fact that I know you didn't like it. 

Furthermore I don't think that Kubrick would hold screenings of Eraserhead out of achieving a punchline to some personal joke.  David Lynch was very ballsy as well as very set on his personal vision, which is something Kubrick would've found admirable.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on March 02, 2007, 11:07:54 PM
he was coming off his biggest failure

 :yabbse-sad:

Don't give mod more ammo.
Are you referring to Barry Lyndon as his biggest failure?
yes that's why i said coming off it, and that's what fernando was referring to cos mod hates barryndon.

i've fixed it now, i shoulda said financial and "only" and "at the time". sigh, that wasn't the point of the post anyway.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: cine on March 03, 2007, 02:47:06 AM
hey pubrick, maybe stop posting your personal thoughts.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on March 03, 2007, 02:48:30 AM
and now i kill myself.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: MacGuffin on August 25, 2007, 10:27:17 PM
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Primal Fury
Why Stanley Kubrick Hated People
By Charles Mudede; The Stranger

Kubrick hated humans. This hate for his own kind is the ground upon which his cinema stands. As is made apparent by 2001: A Space Odyssey, his contempt was deep.

It went from the elegant surface of our space-faring civilization down, down, down to the bottom of our natures, the muck and mud of our animal instincts, our ape bodies, our hair, guts, hunger, and grunts. No matter how far we go into the future, into space, toward the stars, we will never break with our first and violent world. Even the robots we create, our marvelous machines, are limited (and undone) by our human emotions, pressures, primitive drives. For Kubrick, we have never been modern.

"I'm in a world of shit," says Private Joker at the end of Kubrick's unremittingly dark Vietnam War film, Full Metal Jacket. That is what Kubrick has to say about the state of everything: The world is shit, humans are shit in shit, life is worth shit, and there is nothing else that can be done about the situation. In Kubrick's movies, progress, sustained enlightenment, and moral improvement are impossible because the powers of reason, love, and religion are much weaker than the forces of generation and degeneration, desire and destruction, sex and death.

Because the world is nothing but shit, the ideal Kubrickian subject must have very low standards and no high hopes. In short, he must be like Barry Lyndon: a man who goes from situation to situation with no particular aim or goal in mind. One moment he is on this side of a war; the next he is on the other side of it. One moment he is rich; the next he is poor. The way the world goes, he goes with it. If he finds happiness, he takes it without question; if trouble appears, he flees from it without hesitation. And if someone is dead or in pain, he always says to himself: "Better you than me." That is the best a human can do in what Kubrick pictured as the worst of all possible worlds.

At the end of Paths of Glory, Colonel Dax, played by Kirk Douglas, passes a noisy beer hall. He hears his men shouting and applauding at something. That something is a young German woman. The owner of the beer hall has forced her onto the stage. He wants her to do something special for the sex-starved, shell-shocked, trench-mad soldiers. What happens to another woman on a stage in A Clockwork Orange is about to happen to her. But the woman avoids gang rape by singing a pretty song. It is about peace and the pleasant things of life. The song makes the men sing along and cry. Their primitive fuck-drive is overwhelmed by the simple beauty of art. It turns the beasts into humans; and the soldiers are humans for as long as the music lasts.

That moment of humanity in Paths of Glory stands alone in the cinema of Kubrick. The rest is a sea of cruelty: the cruelty of a pederast, atomic power, computer love, the 18th century, street gangs, and American imperialism. (Many might point to Spartacus as an example of Kubrick's pro-anthropy, but that film has almost nothing to do with Kubrick and almost everything to do with Kirk Douglas.)

In Full Metal Jacket, the first Asian woman we see is a prostitute ("me so horny, me love you long time"). The next one is another prostitute ("fucky and sucky, she smoke cigarette with her pussy"). The third Asian woman is a deadly sniper. She kills several American soldiers before being captured, wounded, and shot in the head by the most enlightened of the soldiers, Private Joker ("no more boom-boom for this baby"). Kubrickian logic: Always, sex leads to death; always, the animal in us is too powerful to resist.

Dr. Strangelove, 2001, Lolita, Eyes Wide Shut—what else do these movies say except that humans are absurd. We are absurd because, despite our intellectual distinction, we are no better than animals, and because we are no better than animals, we are damned to do as all animals do—eat, fight, fuck, die. The only thing that separates us from the apes? We know we are animals; we do evil with the awareness of doing it. Because of this awareness, humans are even worse than animals: They act in complete ignorance; we act in complete knowledge.

Yet we still watch Kubrick's films. And we enjoy them. We enjoy them because the hate he had for humanity was only matched by the curious love he had for the most expensive and impressive art form in the world: cinema.


http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=297435
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: hedwig on August 25, 2007, 10:48:00 PM
Dr. Strangelove, 2001, Lolita, Eyes Wide Shut—what else do these movies say except that humans are absurd.
this idiotic assertion epitomizes the entire article. anybody whose appreciation of these movies is limited to "humans are absurd" isn't likely to have anything interesting to say about them.

that's one of the most simplistic readings of kubrick i have ever read. i'm surprised the words "cold" and "cynical" didn't appear. really, not even worth reading.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: bonanzataz on August 25, 2007, 11:26:47 PM
reading this article then hedwig's response reminded me of an old expression that jewish grandmothers say in restaurants:

"this food was terrible. and there was so little of it!"
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on August 26, 2007, 12:44:17 AM
the only thing this worthless article revealed is that Charles Mudede hates people.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: The Disco Kid on August 26, 2007, 01:09:02 AM


Kubrick hated humans. This hate for his own kind is the ground upon which his cinema stands. As is made apparent by 2001: A Space Odyssey, his contempt was deep.




Bull. The author of this article has absolutely no understanding of Kubrik's films.

2001 was perhaps the most triumphant Humanist film ever made. Barry Lyndon, A Clockwork Orange, Full Metal Jacket, Eyes Wide Shut and even the Shining were all triumphantly Humanistic as well, albeit somewhat perversely.

Kubrik was the single most Humanistic auteur ever to sit behind the camera. He knew human beings intimately, all our flaws and weaknesses and believed in us nonetheless because he also knew our potential -- which was infinite in his view.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: hedwig on August 26, 2007, 02:05:52 AM
no understanding of Kubrik's films.
Kubrik was the single most Humanistic auteur
NO. but i agree with what you said.

anyway yeah chuck mudede is more accustomed to writing about horse-fuckers and turntables. the moral of the story is that people should stick to their day jobs.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: The Disco Kid on August 26, 2007, 02:13:22 AM
no understanding of Kubrik's films.
Kubrik was the single most Humanistic auteur
NO. but i agree with what you said.


Elaborate please. I was trying to pick an argument. What do you disagree with?
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on August 26, 2007, 02:18:52 AM
no understanding of Kubrik's films.
Kubrik was the single most Humanistic auteur
NO. but i agree with what you said.


Elaborate please. I was trying to pick an argument. What do you disagree with?

dude, he was saying NO to your spelling of the name Kubrick. you were misspelling it. but he agreed with the rest of what you said. that's what he meant.

and if you were trying to pick an argument (assuming you didn't mean "wasn't") then you should probably take the position of Muedede, because what you said is not controversial at all. i think most ppl would agree with you.

Pubrick.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: The Disco Kid on August 26, 2007, 03:04:13 AM
no understanding of Kubrik's films.
Kubrik was the single most Humanistic auteur
NO. but i agree with what you said.


Elaborate please. I was trying to pick an argument. What do you disagree with?

dude, he was saying NO to your spelling of the name Kubrick. you were misspelling it. but he agreed with the rest of what you said. that's what he meant.

and if you were trying to pick an argument (assuming you didn't mean "wasn't") then you should probably take the position of Muedede, because what you said is not controversial at all. i think most ppl would agree with you.

Pubrick.

My mistake, Pubrick. I feel a bit stupid for not only spelling Kubrick wrong multiple times, but also not being able to glean Hedwig's meaning via the bold words in his response.

I wasnt trying to be controversial, I was just countering the argument posted, that's all. As far as Muedede goes, I dont who the hell your'e talking about. Did he post in this thread? If he did I cant find him. Sorry, I don't live here.

By the way, thanks for not being a douchebag about it...dude.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: MacGuffin on August 26, 2007, 03:06:43 AM
As far as Muedede goes, I dont who the hell your'e talking about. Did he post in this thread? If he did I cant find him. Sorry, I don't live here.

Primal Fury
Why Stanley Kubrick Hated People
By Charles Mudede; The Stranger
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: The Disco Kid on August 26, 2007, 03:15:50 AM
As far as Muedede goes, I dont who the hell your'e talking about. Did he post in this thread? If he did I cant find him. Sorry, I don't live here.

Primal Fury
Why Stanley Kubrick Hated People
By Charles Mudede; The Stranger
I will no longer post when I am drinking.

...I still think the article warrants a conversation though. I shall return.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: hedwig on August 26, 2007, 03:30:52 AM
it is my theory that Disco Kid is old.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: The Disco Kid on August 26, 2007, 03:38:51 AM
it is my theory that Disco Kid is old.

Your theory is junk. The Disco Kid is not old. He's just drunk. Jackass.

And yes, I didn't note the author of the article's name.

Anyways, Pubrick, everyone agrees that Kubrick was the most Humanist auteur that ever helmed a camera, huh? Do you? How so? You agree 2001 is the most triumphant Humanist film ever made? How so? Barry Lyndon, A Clockwork Orange, Full Metal Jacket, Eyes Wide Shut, and The Shining are fundamentally Humanistic films? How so?

Do you want to talk about films...or are you just the resident grammar Nazi?
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on August 26, 2007, 05:06:06 AM
ok here we go.

first of all, it was hedwig who pointed out your multiple misspellings. you don't need to have a cry because no one was being an asshole about it. i explained what you were too drunk to understand, and even said i agree with what you said. i don't need to argue about agreeing with you, what the FUCK kind of drunk-hit-your-wife-because-she-loves-you kind of shit is THAT?

secondly, everyone else was nothing but accomodating to your drunken antagonistic posts. after not knowing how to spell KUBRICK the subject that you're apparently defending against the person whose name you don't even know, you still want to pick a fight for no reason. yeah, you're drunk. so just follow your own advice and maybe only post when you're sober and have some idea what the fuck you're talking about.

and i said MOST ppl would agree. but you know what, i regret saying anything. here's another generalization: MOST ppl here do want to talk about movies, and those who have the time usually do, but i think EVERYONE would agree that you have no idea how to engage someone in conversation. you're a fucking nutcase.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: The Disco Kid on August 26, 2007, 05:22:04 AM
Yikes.

My friend, I wasnt trying to pick a fight with anyone. That was not my intention. I just want to talk about movies, that's all.

You say everyone agrees with me. How so? I said 2001 was the most triumphant Humanistic film ever made. You agree?  Barry Lyndon, Full Metal Jacket, Eyes Wide Shut and The Shining are all fundamentally Humanistic films? Do you agree? If everyone agrees with me, then tell me how everyone agrees with me. How is The Shining a fundamentally Humanistic film?

Im here to talk about films. Not to carry on petty, trivial arguments.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: hedwig on August 26, 2007, 05:25:37 AM
Yikes.

My friend, I wasnt trying to pick a fight with anyone. That was not my intention. I just want to talk about movies, that's all.

You say everyone agrees with me. How so? I said 2001 was the most triumphant Humanistic film ever made. You agree?  Barry Lyndon, Full Metal Jacket, Eyes Wide Shut and The Shining are all fundamentally Humanistic films? Do you agree? If everyone agrees with me, then tell me how everyone agrees with me. How is The Shining a fundamentally Humanistic film?

Im here to talk about films. Not to carry on petty, trivial arguments.
man, if you're so desperate for people to discuss your points, why don't YOU offer explanations for why "2001 was the most triumphant Humanistic film ever made"?? YOU said it, you should explain it. don't expect other people to enter a discussion just because you present a bunch of vague opinions.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: The Disco Kid on August 26, 2007, 05:35:51 AM
Yikes.

My friend, I wasnt trying to pick a fight with anyone. That was not my intention. I just want to talk about movies, that's all.

You say everyone agrees with me. How so? I said 2001 was the most triumphant Humanistic film ever made. You agree?  Barry Lyndon, Full Metal Jacket, Eyes Wide Shut and The Shining are all fundamentally Humanistic films? Do you agree? If everyone agrees with me, then tell me how everyone agrees with me. How is The Shining a fundamentally Humanistic film?

Im here to talk about films. Not to carry on petty, trivial arguments.
man, if you're so desperate for people to discuss your points, why don't YOU offer explanations for why "2001 was the most triumphant Humanistic film ever made"?? YOU said it, you should explain it. don't expect other people to enter a discussion just because you present a bunch of vague opinions.

But Hedwig, you don't understand. "Everyone agrees with me". If that's the case, then tell how so.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on August 26, 2007, 05:43:48 AM
My friend,

first inaccuracy.

You say everyone agrees with me. How so? I said 2001 was the most triumphant Humanistic film ever made. You agree?  Barry Lyndon, Full Metal Jacket, Eyes Wide Shut and The Shining are all fundamentally Humanistic films? Do you agree? If everyone agrees with me, then tell me how everyone agrees with me. How is The Shining a fundamentally Humanistic film?

yeah you already said that:

Anyways, Pubrick, everyone agrees that Kubrick was the most Humanist auteur that ever helmed a camera, huh? Do you? How so? You agree 2001 is the most triumphant Humanist film ever made? How so? Barry Lyndon, A Clockwork Orange, Full Metal Jacket, Eyes Wide Shut, and The Shining are fundamentally Humanistic films? How so?

and therein lies your second mistake. let me explain again something you missed:

i said MOST ppl would agree.
i think most ppl would agree with you.

can you read? you are either really drunk or really stupid. and read what hedwig wrote. there is so much wrong with your approach to conversation that is infuriating, i have no time to explain it all to you only to have it ignored and have to explain it all over again. you don't even acknowledge your ridiculous errors. i responded to your bullshit and now i'm done with this.

oh, and i take it back, i was wrong to say MOST ppl agree with you. i only know that I will ignore everything you post from now on. apologies to everyone for this ridiculous exchange, i've tried to avoid them this year and i think this is the first, hopefully last.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: JG on August 26, 2007, 09:23:28 AM
i like ..//puuubrikc..;/  better.   (not really). 
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: last days of gerry the elephant on August 26, 2007, 10:30:40 AM
I think it's a great idea, (Kubrick hated humans) if only the article was a little more academic than the generalizations.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: john on August 27, 2007, 02:58:39 AM

...the most triumphant Humanist... all triumphantly Humanistic as well...
most Humanistic ... knew human beings intimately...



Kubrik  was the single most Humanistic auteur

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...the most Humanist auteur that ever helmed a camera... the most triumphant Humanist film ever made? ... fundamentally Humanistic...


And if Kubrick's filmography deserves anything it deserves... tedious... fucking....repetition.

Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: modage on August 27, 2007, 11:59:04 AM
from Jason Reitman's blog...

What's In A Name?
Aug 27, 2007

Recently, I was reading a piece that Katharina Kubrick wrote about her father Stanley. In it she was discussing many of her father’s favorite movies. Among the list were many films you’d expect, Godfather, Citizen Kane, Dog Day Afternoon… but then there was one title that took me a little by surprise…

White Men Can’t Jump.

This is not a joke. The Ron Shelton L.A. basketball romp of the early 90’s sat on Kubrick’s top shelf somewhere between Treasures of Sierra Madre and Yojimbo.

So I went back and rewatched the film and you know what? It’s fantastic. Really. Much like Bull Durham, it explores relationships in a real way that other sports films can’t even touch. It’s actually quite moving and has a very sophisticated ending.

It just has a stupid fucking name.

It’s not ironically modest… It’s not even cute… It’s fucking stupid.

It’s not even what the movie is about! The title implies that this is a movie about racial politics in basketball… Like that Josh Lucas flick - Glory Road, which in hindsight SHOULD have been called White Men Can’t Jump. Imagine that poster:

Josh Lucas stars in an incredible story of the team that changed the game forever.

Winning Changes Everything.

White Men Can’t Jump.

That would have been fucking awesome!

Ron Shelton’s film isn’t about any of that. Basketball is just a setting. Racial politics are just a setting. It’s a movie about the politics of love. The politics of relationships. How to be a husband. How to be a partner. And this kind of shit it nails…

If Bull Durham is about dating. WMCJ is about marriage. As far as these kinds of movies go, it deserves to be up there on Kubrick’s shelf… even though the cover was a two shot of Snipes and Harrelson that literally just says:

Wesley Woody

White Men Can’t Jump

I’m not kidding. The DVD is sitting in front of me. And it’s worth watching… even though the studio write up on the back calls it a “Slam dunk, high-flying comedy hit!”

http://my.foxsearchlight.com/node/372
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on August 27, 2007, 06:59:38 PM
a few things.

1. jason reitman needs to catch up to the internet. he must have been reading the kubrick FAQ which has been online for years. not only that, it was actually posted IN THIS VERY THREAD  (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=827.msg122533#msg122533) more than three years ago.

2. it also explained the presence of ron shelton in that list where great directors were asked to name Kubrick's favourite film. remember? one of these things is not like the other.. (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=827.msg122534#msg122534)  posted directly after the post i linked above.

If Bull Durham is about dating. WMCJ is about marriage. As far as these kinds of movies go, it deserves to be up there on Kubrick’s shelf… even though the cover was a two shot of Snipes and Harrelson that literally just says:

Wesley Woody

White Men Can’t Jump


I’m not kidding. The DVD is sitting in front of me. And it’s worth watching… even though the studio write up on the back calls it a “Slam dunk, high-flying comedy hit!”

3. look at the words i've highlighted in the quote. does he realise the obvious EWS parallels in the marriage and title thing? he makes the connection and then negates it with "...even though". i left the final use of "even though" in there to show that he's using it in a negative "despite this" kind of way. he makes a potentially interesting discovery (by highlighting the marriage theme) and then misses the whole point!

anyway, White Men Can't Jump is a great movie AND title.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: modage on August 27, 2007, 07:08:00 PM
i will mail you a dollar if you join the fox searchlight boards and post that in the comments.
Title: Re: The only real truth about Kubrick...
Post by: Pubrick on August 27, 2007, 07:18:02 PM
including the link to xixax?

woo, we've hit the big time!