The Big Lebowski

Started by kotte, August 27, 2003, 09:27:19 AM

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kotte

Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
Quote from: kotteI think we've milked this thread for what is had to offer...  :?

Yeah.... and it is about Lebowski and not Ed...

Ed's deep. The Dude's not. The Dude's a great character too though...

ElPandaRoyal

I really am not sure if Ed as deep as I think he is.
Si

kotte

Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumI really am not sure if Ed as deep as I think he is.

Oh, he's deep alright...he's a modern man and the modern man is a thinking man...hence a deep man.

ElPandaRoyal

Quote from: kotte
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumI really am not sure if Ed as deep as I think he is.

Oh, he's deep alright...he's a modern man and the modern man is a thinking man...hence a deep man.

Yeah..... there's that scene when he talks about planting the hair he cuts and scares the kid (he's really scared onscreen). That's deep.
Si

kotte

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Quote from: kotte
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumI really am not sure if Ed as deep as I think he is.

Oh, he's deep alright...he's a modern man and the modern man is a thinking man...hence a deep man.

Yeah..... there's that scene when he talks about planting the hair he cuts and scares the kid (he's really scared onscreen). That's deep.

That's professional deepness...I'm talking about the personal deep...the deep we follow through out the film. Is he deeper than we think? Is he fooling us? Could he be the man we all should be? Or all are but don't admit to be?

ElPandaRoyal

I personally think he's misfit. He doesn't belong here, he doesn't really think much about beeing here. He just lives because that's what we do when we're born. That's why he doesn't really mind going to the electric chair. Maybe there, he'll see Doris again. Maybe there he'll have something to live for.
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kotte

Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumI personally think he's misfit. He doesn't belong here, he doesn't really think much about beeing here. He just lives because that's what we do when we're born. That's why he doesn't really mind going to the electric chair. Maybe there, he'll see Doris again. Maybe there he'll have something to live for.

I'm not gonna be able to continue this conversation.
Why?
I really believe we've milked Ed for what he has to offer.
And I'm starting to lose a sense of what the fuck we're talking about.

So how about Walter's issues against Donnie? A deep sociologic statement or just fuckin' funny?

ElPandaRoyal

Quote from: kotte
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumI personally think he's misfit. He doesn't belong here, he doesn't really think much about beeing here. He just lives because that's what we do when we're born. That's why he doesn't really mind going to the electric chair. Maybe there, he'll see Doris again. Maybe there he'll have something to live for.

I'm not gonna be able to continue this conversation.
Why?
I really believe we've milked Ed for what he has to offer.
And I'm starting to lose a sense of what the fuck we're talking about.

So how about Walter's issues against Donnie? A deep sociologic statement or just fuckin' funny?

LOL. I agree with that, though I think I hardly ever know what the fuck I talk about, so it's normal.

Anyway..... I have (or I think I do) an interesting question to make about TMWWT. And it goes like this: what do you guys think about the Coens seriousness about the story they tell? I ask this because I think the movie is brilliant in a very strange way. It talks about some serious issues (guilt, human condition, etc...) but it does so in a way that's not really serious, nor really comic. I don't know how well I'm explaining myself, but I just think they have a way to talk about these serious stuff in an unique way. I think the cowboy says it all in The Big Lebowski, when he talks about the damn human comedy perpetuating itself. They like to play with that, and I'm really happy that they do.
Si

ElPandaRoyal

Oh, and Walter and Donnie.... just really funny I think. Walter uses him because he likes to use his power. Soooo..... do you think he ever was in Vietnam?
Si

kotte

Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
Quote from: kotte
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumI personally think he's misfit. He doesn't belong here, he doesn't really think much about beeing here. He just lives because that's what we do when we're born. That's why he doesn't really mind going to the electric chair. Maybe there, he'll see Doris again. Maybe there he'll have something to live for.

I'm not gonna be able to continue this conversation.
Why?
I really believe we've milked Ed for what he has to offer.
And I'm starting to lose a sense of what the fuck we're talking about.

So how about Walter's issues against Donnie? A deep sociologic statement or just fuckin' funny?

LOL. I agree with that, though I think I hardly ever know what the fuck I talk about, so it's normal.

Anyway..... I have (or I think I do) an interesting question to make about TMWWT. And it goes like this: what do you guys think about the Coens seriousness about the story they tell? I ask this because I think the movie is brilliant in a very strange way. It talks about some serious issues (guilt, human condition, etc...) but it does so in a way that's not really serious, nor really comic. I don't know how well I'm explaining myself, but I just think they have a way to talk about these serious stuff in an unique way. I think the cowboy says it all in The Big Lebowski, when he talks about the damn human comedy perpetuating itself. They like to play with that, and I'm really happy that they do.

I agree in that they have a unique voice telling stories but I don't actually think they think in terms of genres. Their films are true genre films but I don't think they say to each other 'Let's do something deep, it worked for Paulie T.' or 'I love sex, don't you bro? Let's do porn.' They think in terms of story, nothing else. That's my view on it, if a bit contradicting.


Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumOh, and Walter and Donnie.... just really funny I think. Walter uses him because he likes to use his power. Soooo..... do you think he ever was in Vietnam?

I'm naive. Let's just say it, Kotte is naive...I think he fought the war. Walter is not that far out, if you know what I mean.
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kotte

Just saw an interview with John Milius...man he sounds and looks exactly like John Good man in that film.

I know the Coens based his character on Milius and god, did they do a good job. :)

freakerdude

I rented The Big Lebowski when it came out and just liked it. I recently rented it for the third time and have watched it about 5 times on just this rental. It's a freaking amazing piece of work IMO.

My favorite scene is the entrance of Jesus with Los Lobos, correction: Gypsy Kings playing Hotel California. That slow mo dance routine after his roll is pure genius.....not to mention his character.

Shomer Shabbus! Goodman nails his character as well as Bridges.
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ElPandaRoyal

Quote from: freakerdudeI rented The Big Lebowski when it came out and just liked it. I recently rented it for the third time and have watched it about 5 times on just this rental. It's a freaking amazing piece of work IMO.

My favorite scene is the entrance of Jesus with Los Lobos playing Hotel California. That slow mo dance routine after his roll is pure genius.....not to mention his character.

Shomer Shabbus! Goodman nails his character as well as Bridges.

Your path is complete, since you can now appreciate one of the most hilarious motion pictures ever made.
Si

SoNowThen

Quote from: kotteJust saw an interview with John Milius...man he sounds and looks exactly like John Good man in that film.

I know the Coens based his character on Milius and good, did they do a good job. :)

Really?! That's based on Milius!!! Hahaha, I had no idea.
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ShanghaiOrange

Quote from: freakerdudeMy favorite scene is the entrance of Jesus with Los Lobos playing Hotel California. That slow mo dance routine after his roll is pure genius.....not to mention his character.

It's actually the Gypsy Kings. :(
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