Marilyn Manson

[godardian]

I agree with some of that. Not all. If M. Manson had been around when I was a teen, I may very well have been into him. Maybe he would've been the one to point me towards Brecht/Weill. He seems to have good taste/influences, but they get lost in the execution.

The "satanic" stuff is dumb, but maybe that's his point...?? I don't know, I'm just guessing. He doesn't seem dull enough to actually believe in "Satan."

[Sleuth]

He doesn't.  Read his book

[Cecil]

the satanic angle is cheap/stupid/immature/overused/fake

tell me where he says he worships satan?

[Ghostboy]

Yeah, while I do think he can be immature, there's really nothing about satan in any of his music. The title Antichrist Superstar is about as close as he gets. At least on his first few albums.

[Pas]

I misjudged Manson too at first. When I heard him talk in Bowling for Columbine, I looked deeper and found out the guy's quite intelligent ! And when I recognized him in Lost Highway, my respect even grew higher

His music can be pretty good too. Agressive yet not repulsive.

Like Reznor and NIN better though

[Sigur Rós]

I misjudged Manson too at first. When I heard him talk in Bowling for Columbine, I looked deeper and found out the guy's quite intelligent ! And when I recognized him in Lost Highway, my respect even grew higher

His music can be pretty good too. Agressive yet not repulsive.

Like Reznor and NIN better though

Agreed!

[Cecil]

I misjudged Manson too at first.

yes this seems to be the problem most of the time. people dont know what theyre talking about. if you dont like their music then you dont. get over it.

you dont see me posting "i hate rap because 1) its stupid 2) all songs are the same  3) its vulgar for no reason  4) eminem is a fake. why doesnt he buy clothes that fit him? its not like hell outgrow them and have to buy new clothes. and even if he does he can afford it." or ignorant crap like that in the rap threads

[NEON MERCURY]

the satanic angle is cheap/stupid/immature/overused/fake

tell me where he says he worships satan?

i NEVER said he worships satan He is playing that "ANGLE"  He is using it in some sort of marketing ploy. b/c younger(SOME) people (i.e. high school students) find his vibe cool , rebellous, lewd, ETC.,   so they latch on to that they think it is cool. he is entertainment to some-SHOCK ROCK-w/o the TALENT- ( NIN are way better=shock w/talent)

C.B.D.:i thought the point of this board was/is to post opinions/messages/ideas/etc.  i am stating MY OPINION...........if you wanted to stae your opinion(on rap music et al) than you should THAT IS WHAT THIS BOARD IS FOR(i thought)sooooooooooooooooo...please don't take anthing i said personally.  thank you
oh yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!notice how his popularity is ffffffaaaaaaaaaddddddddinnnngggg OUT>

[godardian]

notice how his popularity is ffffffaaaaaaaaaddddddddinnnngggg OUT>

If any part of our popular culture can be perceived as being "won or lost" as a popularity contest, we have all been in deep shit for a very long time. I try very hard to judge on the merit of the work and the persona only, not how many kids buy the records/see the film/(I would say read the book, but... *sigh*)

[phil marlowe]

marilyn manson is a dirty dirty man.

[Ravi]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051204/ap_en_mu/people_manson

Shock Rocker Manson Reportedly Marries
Sun Dec 4, 6:11 AM ET

LOS ANGELES - Shock rocker Marilyn Manson married his longtime girlfriend Saturday in Ireland, People magazine reported on its Web site.

Manson, whose real name is Brian Warner, married 33-year-old Heather Sweet in front of about 60 guests at Castle Gurteen, the home of a friend in Kilsheelan, County Tipperary, the magazine reported.

Sweet is a burlesque dancer who uses the stage name Dita Von Teese. They have been dating for four years and Manson proposed at their Los Angeles home in March 2004, People reported.

It was the first marriage for both.

Manson, 36, wore a black silk taffeta tuxedo and Von Teese was in royal purple silk taffeta with a corset. They were married in a non-denominational ceremony conducted by underground filmmaker Alejandro Jodorowsky, a friend of Manson, the magazine reported.

[Pubrick]

They were married in a non-denominational ceremony conducted by underground filmmaker Alejandro Jodorowsky,

hey, i'm just glad he's getting work.

[MacGuffin]

Marilyn Manson playing author in 'Wonderland'

Shock-rocker Marilyn Manson will play "Alice in Wonderland" author Lewis Carroll in a movie that also marks his writing and directing debut.

Manson, whose real name is Brian Warner, is heading to the upcoming Berlin Film Festival's European Film Market to drum up financial support for "Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Carroll," which is budgeted at about $4.2 million.

The film is set to begin production in the summer.

"It's a kind of art house horror; what people expect from Manson, they're going to get here," said the film's producer, Alain de la Mata of French sales company Wild Bunch.

Manson will attend Berlin to preview some of the music he has composed for the film as well as a trailer featuring the production's early art and costume design.

The Berlin Film Festival runs February 9-19.

[MacGuffin]

Marilyn Manson Reveals He Came Close To Suicide; LP 'Was My Salvation'
'This was me realizing who I am, so this is the most important record I've ever made, in every possible way,' rocker says.
Source: MTV

There was a point not too long ago — but before news of the dissolution of his marriage to Dita Von Teese went public in late January — that Marilyn Manson realized he just didn't want to live anymore. His life was in utter turmoil, he had hit a wall creatively, and the idea that he didn't "have somebody to hold hands with through hell" was too much to handle.

"I was clearly at the point where I was ready to give up, and it wasn't that I didn't have the motivation to ... it was almost as if I couldn't bring myself to make a conclusion," Manson explained. "I can look back on it now like it was a different person, and I refuse to ever get to that place again. But it was mostly because I didn't feel that I had someone who was going to walk with me through the horrible reality that we live in. Did I want to kill myself? Yes. Did I come close to doing that? More than I'd like to think. The only thing I can say about it is, I feel like maybe I wasn't strong enough to make that choice. I guess I was just more lost than anything. I didn't have anything to attach myself to. I didn't have any emotions or fears — nothing to have hope for.

"There's a big difference, I discovered, between wanting to die and not wanting to live," he continued. "When you want to die, you at least have a goal. When you don't want to live, you're really just empty. That's the point I was at before I was able to make [his new LP, Eat Me, Drink Me]."

Manson said he needed to find a reason to want to live, and in time, did so in actress Evan Rachel Wood, who eventually became the rocker's girlfriend. "Finding someone who's willing to drown with you creates a situation where you no longer want to drown," he said.

It was meeting Wood, he said, that helped him salvage his muse and finish Eat Me, Drink Me. He recorded the effort — which follows 2003's The Golden Age of Grotesque, leaked online Tuesday and hits stores June 5 — in a Hollywood studio with guitarist/bassist Tim Skold. "It would be an understatement to say this record saved me," Manson said. "This record was my salvation. This was my rebirth. This was me realizing who I am, so this is the most important record I've ever made, in every possible way."

The album title can be interpreted to hold several meanings, not the least of which are the obvious references to "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" — he's been fascinated with the book and its author, Lewis Carroll, for years — vampires and the Catholic Eucharist. Manson also said the title was partly inspired by German cannibal Armin Meiwes.

"Once you've been in a position where you don't want to live, and you find a reason to live, you're perfectly justified to decide how you would chose to die," Manson said. "And if I had a choice, being devoured and devouring the person you're obsessed with is the most romantic idea possible. The only complication is the practicality of it, that one person just gets full and the other person's dead. I mean it in a literal sense and a metaphorical sense, but I think that I don't plan on being eaten anytime soon. I clearly want people to consume me with this record. I am offering myself as a sacrifice, and letting people see what's inside of you is really the same thing to me."

For the first time in Manson's career, he has written songs not about ideas, issues or his own beliefs, but about himself — a personal diary, if you will, spread out across 11 tracks. They include "The Red Carpet Grave," "They Said That Hell's Not Hot" and "Mutilation Is the Most Sincere Form of Flattery."

"I always probably chose ... I wouldn't say the wrong way, but I chose a different way of defining myself," he said of his previous studio efforts. "I didn't realize to prove that I believed in everything I was saying, or prove my powers as an artist, I always chose the most difficult thing. Whatever fit. I didn't realize just being me is the most difficult f---ing thing possible, and just making a record simply about how I'm feeling, it felt so perfect that I was able to finally realize that I didn't want to run away from music.

"I hadn't lived up to my capability," he continued. "I was trying to put all of these emotions or ideas or just energy into painting and cinema because I felt strangled with music — felt I couldn't do what I wanted to do. I didn't realize I was doing it wrong. By not trying to defend myself with my music, I'm simply letting it represent me. This is probably the way everybody starts out writing songs, and of course, I worked backwards. It's like going from heroin to Diet Coke — neither of which I'm a fan of."

Manson tried things with Eat Me, Drink Me that he'd never tried before by truly collaborating with Skold, who infused guitar solos into the songs — something Manson previously tried to shy away from. Working with Skold also encouraged Manson to take his vocals in new directions.

"The music led me to feel like I had to step up to a different level of doing what I do," he said. "It's very bizarre when I think about the fact that I wanted to make a very romantic record. That's been something in me, and I just made a mistake of trying to express my emotions and dedication and my idea of romance — I made the mistake of choosing marriage as the gesture to say it, when I realize now that a song can say it much stronger.

"It's not a negative comment on my past relationship, because I think the biggest mistake of it was marriage," he continued about Von Teese. "But it allowed me to see who I really was, and I've finally realized a lot of things that I started to slowly believe were false in who I am, including being a singer and a rock star. I started to see when I became friends with [Wood] that these were things that are what make me likeable, or make up my personality, and I somehow was completely oblivious to that. The fact that this record is something that people are identifying with so much on a basic emotional level is because I was trying to identify with one person, which I guess makes the simplest universal way of speaking to everyone. ... I am sharing some part of me that I've always hidden."

Starting in July, Manson will team up with Slayer for a run of U.S. co-headlining gigs. He said the pairing was inspired by a book he knew as a child.

"It was [Hal Lindsey's] 'Satan Is Alive and Well on Planet Earth,' and that was my theory with this tour ... now you know exactly where to find him," he explained. "I think our differences complement each other, and the uniting element in all of it is the darkness that both bands represent."

Fans can expect a more ostentatious stage show from Manson this time around, and they'll also be seeing a different backing band taking the stage: Skold, former Prodigy bassist Rob Holliday and drummer Ginger Fish.

"The show isn't going to be something that is basic or unimaginative in any way," he said. "This show will be probably my greatest undertaking in theatrics, and me trying to really bring back the power of rock star."

[MacGuffin]

Marilyn Manson's Sex Scene: 'Stellar Acting' Or The Real Deal?
Steamy sequence with girlfriend Evan Rachel Wood in rocker's 'Heart-Shaped Glasses' clip causing a stir online.
Source: MTV

Did they or didn't they?

That's the question Marilyn Manson fans have been asking themselves since the full version of the rocker's self-directed video for "Heart-Shaped Glasses (When the Heart Guides the Hand)" first appeared on YouTube and the like last week. The song is the first single from his upcoming studio LP Eat Me, Drink Me.

So are the sex scenes in the dark and disturbing clip between Manson and actress/girlfriend Evan Rachel Wood the real deal, or just frighteningly convincing simulations?

While a "source" close to the production allegedly told Radar magazine the couple didn't fake the scenes — stirring loads of online speculation about the on-camera coitus — Manson himself remained fairly neutral about the cause célèbre during a recent interview with MTV News.

"Let's say there were some conservative people involved [with the video] that got a little upset about things that were taking place, and there's been rumors back and forth, but I will not confirm or deny them," he said. "I did insist that Evan be paid the most that any actress has ever been paid in music-video history to be in this, even though she wouldn't have asked for it. There's no one else that could've been in it, because it was inspired by her."

The sex scene, which kicks off the first two-and-a-half minutes of the clip, depicts Manson and Wood violently kissing while writhing around locked in a passionate embrace, making purposeful love. The scene then cuts to Manson and Wood driving down a highway in the dark, with Wood daring Manson to go faster. The rocker takes his hands off the wheel to snap numerous pictures of Wood, 19, who lifts her leg up to the wheel and holds a knife to her mouth while wearing heart-shaped glasses. Manson has said the song was directly inspired by Stanley Kubrick's 1962 rendition of Vladmir Nabakov's notorious, pedophilic novel "Lolita."

In the next scene, Manson is seen performing the tune before a huge audience, and Wood — still donning the glasses — watches him intently from the crowd. Shots of the couple driving continue to flash throughout the video, and the scene shifts to the bedroom, where the two seem to be drenched in blood. In another scene, Wood seductively massages her nether regions while watching Manson's onstage performance.

"Anyone who is lazy or, I guess, has the lack of depth to expect [a video from me] to be shocking and then say it's not shocking, is essentially the same as saying your partner is bad in bed when you're a masturbator," Manson explained. "I wasn't intending to be shocking — I was intending to make something romantic, in the tradition of 'Bonnie and Clyde' and 'Rebel Without a Cause.' It's a dark video — I'll say that. It begins with a very explicit sex scene and ends with this sort of thunderstorm of blood and driving a Corvette off of Mulholland Drive, on fire. So, I think it's one of those 'buyer beware' situations. You can't be mad at me when you know what you're asking for."

The video was shot using 3-D technology developed by "Titanic" director James Cameron, which Manson said is "essentially like reality — it's like sitting in a room with the person, and its more of a surreal experience. It's sort of a hyper reality — that's what Cameron referred to it as."

Shooting the clip proved challenging, Manson said, as he needed multiple crews to shoot the action from different angles in order to ensure the video's 3-D effect. "This camera technology is uncharted territory," he continued. "There were two crews there: one that was mine and one that hated me. Everything that I wanted to do was technically wrong to the people who hated me, because of the stellar acting and performances that took place in the sex scenes. They considered it to be pornographic, because they thought there may or may not have been too much realism to what was being filmed."

And Manson admits the scenes — in which Wood moans like a banshee, at times — seem very realistic but wouldn't confirm fans' suspicions one way or the other. "It does look real," he said, with a telling snicker.

A spokesperson for Manson's label would not confirm whether the scenes were legit or, as Manson contends, just prime examples of "stellar acting." It should be noted, though, that rumors of steamy onscreen sex being real is a tried and tested publicity ploy. In fact, it was rumored that actor Mickey Rourke had actual sex with co-star Kim Basinger in 1986's "Nine 1/2 Weeks" and Carré Otis in 1990's "Wild Orchid." More recently, Sienna Miller denied she had sex with Hayden Christensen in the film "Factory Girl."