Fav pta character redux- ladies' choice

Started by godardian, May 13, 2003, 11:57:40 PM

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godardian

Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love

the more you talk about that film the less you understand it


Coming from you, I wouldn't have it any other way.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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AlguienEstolamiPantalones

Quote from: godardian
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love

the more you talk about that film the less you understand it


Coming from you, I wouldn't have it any other way.

meaning what ??

godardian

Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love
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its not all fun and games, its actually a pretty fucking sad way to live a life

The cliche-prohibitionist police bootleg on the side, do they?
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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The Silver Bullet

Quotereally? maybe she's the most mysterious character PTA has written, i'll give her that, but I mean she is purposely written as very one-dimensional.
Yeah, but I dunno, I mean, she really made everything work. The film relied entirely on whether or not the audience would fall in love with her just as Barry did. And I fell in love with her, so...

I have said it once and I'll say it again, I think Punch-Drunk Love has more of Anderson in it than the other films. He said it himself, this film is all him. This is not to detract from the magnificence of the other movies, mind you, it's just you can feel the honesty in the PDL  relationship, how true the love is, how pure and good it is; it really radiates off the screen through the characters of Lena and Barry. I guess I really connected with how honest the film and characters were, and as one dimensional as you say Lena was, I stand by my vote. I really connected with Lena.
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AlguienEstolamiPantalones

Quote from: godardian
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love
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its not all fun and games, its actually a pretty fucking sad way to live a life

The cliche-prohibitionist police bootleg on the side, do they?

if a cliche police exsisted, you my friend would be al capone

chainsmoking insomniac

Quote from: BonBon85I had to go with Amber. I think we've discussed this before, but Lena wasn't all that interesting of a character to me. Perhaps she has been elevated simply due to Barry's adoration of her, but I don't think that she herself was all that remarkable.

And where did you get that idea about Rollergirl? I'm not saying that it's definitely false, but it seems unlikely. You have to sympathize with her a bit, especially following the "On the Prowl" scene. (Or at least up until she kicks the guy).

Please, that scene made her character.  For the first time in the film, she exhibited self-respect.  She was shallow up until that point.  I think she's a great character! :roll:
"Ernest Hemingway once wrote: 'The world's a fine place, and worth fighting for.'  I agree with the second part."
    --Morgan Freeman, Se7en

"Have you ever fucking seen that...? Ever seen a mistake in nature?  Have you ever seen an animal make a mistake?"
 --Paul Schneider, All the Real Girls

BonBon85

Quote from: punchdrunk23Please, that scene made her character.  For the first time in the film, she exhibited self-respect.  She was shallow up until that point.  I think she's a great character! :roll:

I agree completely, and I think Rollergirl was an excellent character. I was just trying to argue against the idea that we weren't supposed to like her.

chainsmoking insomniac

I'm sorry man. i misunderstood your post.  :oops:
"Ernest Hemingway once wrote: 'The world's a fine place, and worth fighting for.'  I agree with the second part."
    --Morgan Freeman, Se7en

"Have you ever fucking seen that...? Ever seen a mistake in nature?  Have you ever seen an animal make a mistake?"
 --Paul Schneider, All the Real Girls

brockly

Quote from: Brock LandersBTW why is Rollergirl on their. She is a character PTA intended the audience to HATE.

I regret saying this :yabbse-smiley:  You have all convinced me she is still a great character even though I don't like her personality. So no disrespect to those who voted for her.

I still do think that we were supposed to hate her as a person though. I know many of us don't, but thats my opinion. I apologise :oops: I mean, there is the part:
"Why do I like Dirk? Well, he can fuck hard or he can fuck slow."
If this don't make you hate her (as a person, not as a character), what does?

godardian

QuoteI mean, there is the part:
"Why do I like Dirk? Well, he can fuck hard or he can fuck slow."
If this don't make you hate her (as a person, not as a character), what does?

Yeah, but she's just saying that for the audience. It's in Dirk's documentary, right? I think she's playing to the porn audience, 'cos that's all she knows how to do. Those are the things she's been taught to say; that's the way she's been rewarded for being. That's the thing with this character: She's completely empty, she only knows she's good at fucking, and it's sad. That's all she's ever known or been told. So when she finally has had enough and snaps, even though it's violent and too far, it still feels liberating.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

godardian

But it's your right to dislike the character. I'm just enumerating the reasons that I did end up liking her.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

brockly

Quote from: godardian
QuoteI mean, there is the part:
"Why do I like Dirk? Well, he can fuck hard or he can fuck slow."
If this don't make you hate her (as a person, not as a character), what does?

Yeah, but she's just saying that for the audience. It's in Dirk's documentary, right? I think she's playing to the porn audience, 'cos that's all she knows how to do. Those are the things she's been taught to say; that's the way she's been rewarded for being. That's the thing with this character: She's completely empty, she only knows she's good at fucking, and it's sad. That's all she's ever known or been told. So when she finally has had enough and snaps, even though it's violent and too far, it still feels liberating.

Yeah, I guess you have a good point. I'll watch the film again tonight and try to focus on her more.

Mr. Green

brock, you have no idea. get with it pal. sorry, but i think you kinda misunderstood rollergirl.
i am brock landers

chainsmoking insomniac

Quote from: Mr. Greenbrock, you have no idea. get with it pal. sorry, but i think you kinda misunderstood rollergirl.

Well said, Mr. Green.
"Ernest Hemingway once wrote: 'The world's a fine place, and worth fighting for.'  I agree with the second part."
    --Morgan Freeman, Se7en

"Have you ever fucking seen that...? Ever seen a mistake in nature?  Have you ever seen an animal make a mistake?"
 --Paul Schneider, All the Real Girls

Mr. Green

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Quote from: Mr. Greenbrock, you have no idea. get with it pal. sorry, but i think you kinda misunderstood rollergirl.

Well said, Mr. Green.

..... this is funny
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