voting for the Xixax Dekapenticon

Started by Jeremy Blackman, November 03, 2003, 05:05:36 PM

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Quote from: The Gold TrumpetYes, I'm very very willing to give The Conformist a shot. I've always wanted to see that film.

But, to a lot of the complaints about the selections. On one hand, I like that it is a personal list coming from the board, but also I dislike that a group of 5 directors basically cleaned house. I like Godardian's approach in picking only one film from a director. That could be a good rule for next year. It doesn't force people to pick older classics, but makes them dig harder for a variety of films. I think the main problem is the lack of variety. I, for one, am going to by that rule for the final vote.
I don't agree with this.  A good film is a good film.  Vote for whatever film you want to, and don't restrict yourself just because one certain director has made more films that you like.  I'm all for diversity, but imposing restrictions on yourself will just limit that diversity even more than just voting your conscience.

Quote from: aclockworkjjam i the only one that woulda had The English Patient on here?
Yes.

SoNowThen

I don't agree with one per director. Kubrick and Scorsese clearly deserve at least two each. I'm baffled that any Jonze would find its way on a top list, but I'll take the bad with the good...
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

godardian

Quote from: aclockworkjjam i the only one that woulda had The English Patient on here?

God, I hope so. If I had to pick a Minghella, it would be Mr. Ripley, but top 50 EVER? Never.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

NEON MERCURY

i'm very happy to see requiem on there....

but the " :roll:-Award"......goes to....DONNIE DARKO

Pubrick

first, a vital disclaimer:
Quote from: Gamblor the Manwhorethey voted for their favorite films, but now, looking at the list, people are looking for the best films ever made list, which I think might explain more modern films that past and why the list isn't more eclectic. There's a difference between favorite and best, so I think there might be some confusion as to what kind of list we actually have here

and the list..
Quote from: RegularKarateLadies and Gentlemen, I give you THE LIST:

2001: A Space Odysee    
400 Blows
8 1/2      
Adaptation        
Amelie        
Annie Hall        
Apocolypse Now        
Barry Lyndon
Barton Fink
Being John Malkovich      
Big Lebowski      
Blue Velvet        
Boogie Nights      
Brazil        
Casino        
Cassablanca
Citizen Kane        
Clockwork Orange, A      
Do the Right Thing      
Donnie Darko      
Dr. Strangelove        
Elephant Man        
Empire Strikes Back      
Eyes Wide Shut      
Fargo                
Fight Club      
Godfather        
Godfather part II      
Good, the Bad, and the Ugly    
Goodfellas        
Jackie Brown        
Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring
Magnolia        
Matrix        
Mulholland Dr.        
My Life to Live
One Flew over the Cuckoo's nest
Psycho
Pulp Fiction    
Punch Drunk Love      
Raging Bull        
Requiem for a Dream      
Royal Tennenbaums    
Rushmore        
Seven Samurai      
Shawshank Redemption
Shining        
Singin' in the Rain      
Taxi Driver      
Vertigo        

Pardon any typos... I was in a hurry

Anyway, there it is, if you didn't vote, I'd better not hear too much bitching from you.

EDIT: DO NOT VOTE YET
under the paving stones.

Gold Trumpet

Any idea on the time frame for the final vote and when results will be up? End of year? Beginning of next year?

I'm just asking because the XIXAX Awards are coming up in the next couple months, but hopefully that can be pushed to March so people have a chance to actually see all the movies.

godardian

Quote from: SoNowThenI don't agree with one per director. Kubrick and Scorsese clearly deserve at least two each. I'm baffled that any Jonze would find its way on a top list, but I'll take the bad with the good...

I don't know about that. I tried to think of basically my 30 favorite directors, then give them one shot each by picking their best work. When it comes down to the final 15, I might have to break my rule once. But that will be circumscribed and limited to the list of 50; with the first vote of 30 being so open-ended, I didn't want to squander any of my choices by giving one director more than one shot and neglecting the great work of a different great director. Maybe if we'd had 50 or 100, I could've done that.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

Jeremy Blackman

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetXIXAX Awards are coming up in the next couple months, but hopefully that can be pushed to March

Around that time. The point last year was to do it before the Oscars (so it wasn't just a reaction to them). It would be nice to do that again.

aclockworkjj

Quote from: godardianGod, I hope so. If I had to pick a Minghella, it would be Mr. Ripley, but top 50 EVER? Never.
i understand...but in that case, what the fuck is Empire Strikes Back doing there?  I liked English Patient tho...
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanAround that time. The point last year was to do it before the Oscars (so it wasn't just a reaction to them). It would be nice to do that again.
will it be a locked forum? :wink:

godardian

Quote from: aclockworkjjwhat the fuck is Empire Strikes Back doing there?  

I feel the same way. Lord knows it's not my fault.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

SoNowThen

Listen, I'm not a Star Wars fan, but c'mon, Empire is a good movie. For a popcorn film, there coulda been much worse picks...
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

SHAFTR

Quote from: SoNowThen

And I agree with JB's post above.
Everyone should keep in mind that we're doing an updated list each year, and it'll be interesting to watch things change as our members see many more films.

Well, the people who vote next year are going to be different than the people who voted this year.  I don't see the list changing that much except for the addition of films from this year.
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Blanketing opinions that i'll probably regret soon"

godardian

Quote from: SoNowThenListen, I'm not a Star Wars fan, but c'mon, Empire is a good movie. For a popcorn film, there coulda been much worse picks...

It's the most bearable of all six... still, I wouldn't watch it again of my own free will.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

SoNowThen

Quote from: SHAFTR
Quote from: SoNowThen

And I agree with JB's post above.
Everyone should keep in mind that we're doing an updated list each year, and it'll be interesting to watch things change as our members see many more films.

Well, the people who vote next year are going to be different than the people who voted this year.  I don't see the list changing that much except for the addition of films from this year.

??? That makes no sense. I know this year alone I saw Conformist, Walkabout, and Brazil for the first time, and they all made it on my list. Just last year, Reservoir Dogs was in my top ten, but got replaced by Jackie Brown (which will be replaced with Kill Bill next year) during a recent Tarantino-fest I did. I hope to fuck other people are gonna change, as well as bone up on old classics, or else there's not much hope for this board...
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

NEON MERCURY

Quote from: SHAFTR
Quote from: SoNowThen

And I agree with JB's post above.
Everyone should keep in mind that we're doing an updated list each year, and it'll be interesting to watch things change as our members see many more films.

Well, the people who vote next year are going to be different than the people who voted this year.  I don't see the list changing that much except for the addition of films from this year.

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