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The Director's Chair => The Director's Chair => Topic started by: Gold Trumpet on June 21, 2003, 10:12:38 AM

Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 21, 2003, 10:12:38 AM
It has been talked about before, but now I am actually going to start an official thread for it getting realized. This can be ignored by all the guys in charge and nothing done about for it. That's fine, it is your message board, not mine and I'll still respect you guys. It is my belief though that a forum for foreign language films and directors specifically is a good idea considering traffic on these boards do go fast sometimes and threads on more obscure films made in other parts of the world and in different languages might get lost in that shuffle. This is not to say these films are better than any others, but really to represent a portion of people's interest who go on this forum a lot better.

One of the controversies going on now is that with the PTA Film Festival, it is designated in thought and process mainly for the American Crowd. A forum for Foreign Language Films and Directors should be able to promote the idea that more international films can be spotlighted in a similiar way under their own banner or what not because as popularity goes here. You will see the most face reaction for people like wes anderson and stanley kubrick instead. Special events like this go a long way in attracting new attention to films a lot of people may have not seen or gotten into yet. Mainly though, it is just to give more room to filmmakers and films who are more outside the American popularity wave and represent a good portion of people here who also look to these films in interest. Everything else is hope on what the forum can do.

If you believe this forum should exist, just reply and sign your name only. Comments and input are also welcome.

~rougerum
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: modage on June 21, 2003, 06:05:56 PM
themodernage02

where can i petition against this happening?  just kidding.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 22, 2003, 10:53:57 PM
Well, thank you modernage for at least signing your name. I don't expect anyone else to do so at all. I guess I am dissapointed considering how easy and inconveniant of a thing it would have been for more people to sign this and how little of a difference there would be to the forum. I like this board, but I don't count on it for much.

~rougerum
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: modage on June 22, 2003, 11:14:26 PM
i am actually SHOCKED that i was the only one. ive only seen a few dozen foriegn films, but that doesnt mean i dont recognize the need for its own forum.  perhaps people would be aware of more, if they had a place to get recommendations.  any attempt at broadening the horizons of this board, i am for.  (is anyone else aware that PTA has 233 folders, and Kubrick only has 30 something and he is the next highest?)
Title: Re: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: sphinx on June 23, 2003, 02:26:47 AM
i'm indifferent to your request, i speak individually here.  if enough people wanted it, we would make it for you guys

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetOne of the controversies going on now is that with the PTA Film Festival, it is designated in thought and process mainly for the American Crowd.

i find this insulting.  our decision to recognize the pta fanbase that exists within xixax seems to be interpreted as discrimination of the films of other countries by you.  we have taken our time to organize and promote it for your benefit, and i'm disappointed that you would think of it as a 'contreversy'.

very disappointed
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: rustinglass on June 23, 2003, 04:48:18 AM
rustinglass

Great! I can't wait. When will it happen?
Title: Re: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: children with angels on June 23, 2003, 04:51:43 AM
Quote from: sphinx
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetOne of the controversies going on now is that with the PTA Film Festival, it is designated in thought and process mainly for the American Crowd.

i find this insulting.  our decision to recognize the pta fanbase that exists within xixax seems to be interpreted as discrimination of the films of other countries by you.  we have taken our time to organize and promote it for your benefit, and i'm disappointed that you would think of it as a 'contreversy'.

I think he was talking about the timing of the festival being slanted towards the American crowd, and fairly impossible for Europeans, then drawing a parallel between that and the board's regard of foreign films in general. I don't necessarily agree, just thought I'd say...

P.S:I think the forum sounds like a good idea. That way you wouldn't get foreign director threads struggling to stay afloat in the Director's chair, and there would be a place to discuss these movies whenever anyone felt the urge...

children with angels.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Sigur Rós on June 23, 2003, 05:50:18 AM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWell, thank you modernage for at least signing your name. I don't expect anyone else to do so at all.
~rougerum

Thor

I think it's a great idea, and I can't see why not.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: SoNowThen on June 23, 2003, 09:11:05 AM
SoNowThen




Esq


-- yes, please, I do want this to happen bad--
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: jokerspath on June 23, 2003, 09:12:24 AM
Most def.

jokerspath

aw
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: ©brad on June 23, 2003, 11:03:09 AM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI like this board, but I don't count on it for much.
~rougerum

oh whatever. look, i think its that 'insulting tone' in ur post, the "me and my mature collegues want a foreign films thread so we can all circle jerk together in foreign film bliss- u kiddie morons have fun w/ ur little pta film festival" attitude that i kinda took from reading ur petition. that's probably why u haven't gotten many responses. maybe.

as for ur idea, go ahead. doubt i would visit it much, but hey, most ppl wouldn't mind that. just remember, rome wasn't built in a day. new threads take time.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 23, 2003, 11:22:47 AM
CBR, why do you always imply words into what I say that I never do. I did speak about the PTA festival and his work being the norm, but I never said it was bad. I just think this place can be broadened and considering this board isn't one devoted to just him anymore, I thought that was one of the main intentions. And the comment you quoted came after I got hardly any responce and maybe in this controversy, I'll likely get more signatures and all.

Sphinx, children with angels was right in his observations.

~rougerum
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: sphinx on June 23, 2003, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetSphinx, children with angels was right in his observations.

if it's true that we're discriminating, why is it that we're holding a european film festival for those who couldn't make it?  i hope you realize that an online film festival available to people in all time zones is physically impossible, and due to our inability to overcome things that are physically impossible we couldn't accomodate people who lived in europe/asia at the time.  i think it's sort of ridiculous on your part to assume that we were discriminating, especially when you've been telling others to stop implying things upon you themselves.  i see no parallel in this film festival and the lack of a foreign films board.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: dufresne on June 23, 2003, 01:52:24 PM
this added forum could only be a good thing for Xixax.

dufresne
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 23, 2003, 10:34:49 PM
Good points, Sphinx, and I concede on the points of the film festival. When I was writing my original post, I wanted to be as convincing as I could and far reached the topic when I wasn't fully sure on the main points of the film festival. When you stick your neck out as much as I do, you are bound to get slashed a few times and I do and its good for me. And if I did insult you or anyone running the show, then I apologize. But, I do maintain this forum will be good in promoting more talk for filmmakers outside of the country and able to bring members from very unique parts of the world into conversation where they can shed interesting and unique light upon any filmmakers around their place of living that we all could look into. On that level, I hope more people can support this the best way and that is by simply putting their name down. If enough people do it, it can work whether or not you will visit all the time. Still nothing bad in it.

~rougerum
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Ghostboy on June 23, 2003, 11:29:28 PM
Insert my name here.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Xixax on June 24, 2003, 12:48:22 PM
Sorry, I don't respond well to petitions.

I'm not into it. Ain't gonna happen, guys. That's just it. Ain't gonna happen.

If enough people want to vote a Godard board in, that's one thing. But not a foreign film forum.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: SoNowThen on June 24, 2003, 12:53:26 PM
Can we start the vote for the Godard board now, then?


Put me down.
He's still alive and making the odd film, so it's reasonable. Oh, and he also happens to be the most influential post-modern filmmaker (or at least one of), so that should probably count for something...
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Xixax on June 24, 2003, 12:55:56 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenCan we start the vote for the Godard board now, then?


Put me down.
He's still alive and making the odd film, so it's reasonable. Oh, and he also happens to be the most influential post-modern filmmaker (or at least one of), so that should probably count for something...
Now that I could definitely go for.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Cecil on June 24, 2003, 12:56:40 PM
yes, a godard forum would be good
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: SoNowThen on June 24, 2003, 12:56:49 PM
*Cartman voice*

SWEEEEET!!!!
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: modage on June 24, 2003, 03:06:59 PM
yeah but, why GODARD?  all the godard conversation in the world has only amounted to 4 pages...

two here
http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=339
and two here
http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=430

if we were going purely by thread popularity, then why not
Todd Solondz 11 pages
Kevin Smith 7 pages
Chris Nolan 6 pages
Woody Allen 5 pages
David Gordon Green 4 pages
Akira Kurosawa 4 pages
Spike Jonze 4 pages
M. Night Shyamalan 4 pages
Vincent Gallo 4 pages

why grant someone his own topic, if no one is going to discuss him?  or if we're going by how great they are, then why not Truffaut, or Fellini, or Welles, or Kurosawa?  you might as well just let things be, until someone sparks enough conversation or rabid fans to warrant his own thread.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: SoNowThen on June 24, 2003, 03:17:34 PM
Well, I'd like a Fellini thread, too...


I think I'd post about Godard way more if I knew there was a forum where people actually did wanna talk about him. Like I said, he's still making movies, and he's got so many out that are hard to find, I'd like to chat with people who have had a chance to see them.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: modage on June 24, 2003, 03:23:02 PM
i would like a godard thread as well, i'm just simply saying that the randomness of Godard over any of the other directors is a bit puzzling.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: MacGuffin on June 24, 2003, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenWell, I'd like a Fellini thread, too...

http://xixax.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1037
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: SoNowThen on June 24, 2003, 03:40:40 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: SoNowThenWell, I'd like a Fellini thread, too...

http://xixax.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1037

Well, okay... but I mean one that gets accessed more often. I should have said Fellini Forum.
Title: Re: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Myxo on June 24, 2003, 05:51:54 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetIt has been talked about before, but now I am actually going to start an official thread for it getting realized. This can be ignored by all the guys in charge and nothing done about for it. That's fine, it is your message board, not mine and I'll still respect you guys. It is my belief though that a forum for foreign language films and directors specifically is a good idea considering traffic on these boards do go fast sometimes and threads on more obscure films made in other parts of the world and in different languages might get lost in that shuffle. This is not to say these films are better than any others, but really to represent a portion of people's interest who go on this forum a lot better.

Krystof Kieslowski. Mmm..
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Xixax on June 24, 2003, 06:35:59 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
if we were going purely by thread popularity, then why not (SNIP)

Very compelling arguments indeed.

As it is, there's not really much traffic in the director areas we currently host. Maybe we should just let it lie.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: modage on June 24, 2003, 06:37:58 PM
actually, thinking about it now, the idea of a "foreign films" section seems a bit silly considering that people on this board come from all around the world.  so to someone from japan, american movies ARE foriegn films.  i guess we should just let it lie.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Xixax on June 24, 2003, 06:52:05 PM
What the hell is wrong with you, man. You're making good sense, and we don't tolerate that shit around here!
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Ghostboy on June 24, 2003, 07:09:56 PM
Here's another thing. One of the arguments for the forum is that so certain threads won't get buried. But if people are interested in talking about them, they won't get buried period. I've got the site bookmarked to show me all topics posted since my last visit, so I never go looking in the individual forums anyway, unless I want to dig something up or make sure it hasn't already been covered. So I don't think a foreign film section -- while it would be nice -- will increase the discussion of foreign (to Americans, at least) films; it'll mainly serve as an easy reference point.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: godardian on June 24, 2003, 11:25:00 PM
I wouldn't object to a foreign films/directors, but it doesn't kill me that there's not one. I think the real solution is for more foreign-film fans to discover this place and not get scared off. That's going to be a lot harder than just starting a new category, but I think it'll also be a lot more effective. Right now, I know of a few foreign film fans that participate. But we're most of just as at home talking about American films and just-entertainment films, whatever our opinions might be. Maybe it would be harmful to the idea of foreign films to have them apart in a special category, instead of just thrown in with the mix as they are now. They do need more support, but I'm not sure changing the venue is going to solve anything if more fans don't show up.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: (kelvin) on June 25, 2003, 03:24:32 PM
Gold Trumpet, you certainly got my vote for your petition. How come I haven't noticed this thread before? Long live world cinema...
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 26, 2003, 06:46:57 PM
Hopefully, these are final thoughts on the subject coming from me. The idea has been thrown out and is known and nothing more can be done to persuade anyone.

I do feel a cause to back up my own petition against critics considering of the validity of a foreign film forum. Well, what is the validity in having a dvd talk when there is already a everything else cinema and people talk about movies usually viewed on a dvd? The reason why is because dvds are a category of their own in the field of movies today and so are foreign films. Foreigns much more so because the ratio of american films made and foreign films made are likely under 1 to 99. I'm guessing the smallest ratio of .00001 you could really find. As a field in film itself, foreign films is by the far the most deserving considering of how much it dominates even when none of us are really aware of the outer limits to what other countries are producing.

Then there is the fact that a foreign film forum will bring up more talk on subjects not really talked about. Sure, a thread about an obscure filmmaker in director's forum may get noticed and get some replies and all, but does it really stand up to the fair chance given with threads in specific director forums? I've been going there and seeing a lot of the same threads that were there last month. The foreign film forum will likely not be the most popular at all. But neither are many of the director threads and in those threads, there are a lot threads that started out small but grew big because of how long they stayed in existence to people who visited that forum and only noticed the most popular threads and realized that they wanted to read everything the board had to offer and so had to deal with these threads. Many threads have been made of the longetivity of them just being in plain site when the forum was just clicked upon to visit. A lot of people ignore things they may not know, as I do, but the longer it stays there, the more they are likely going to have to deal with it and maybe they can find something of interest in it. Interesting discussions can come from this and have.

To support this is just to sign your name. Thats all. No one can give any argument to how this will be bad for anything. Its worth a shot.

~rougerum
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: RegularKarate on June 26, 2003, 09:10:14 PM
Um... are we still on about this?

When it's shot down by the man himself, it's done been shot down.

and that point about the DVD forum is a poor one because it's just a DVD thread, we don't have a seperate thread for Region 2 and Region 3 DVDs... no, we don't even have one for "Non-Region 1" DVDs.  We discuss all the DVDs there.

It's like a restaurant see... we have a menu and you can get all these great plates and you can substitute this for that and you can add shit ala carte, but when you go bitching to the chef that you want him to create a special meal made from all the stuff that's already available in other meals and name it something different in the menu, you're just being a snob and you'll start noticing that you always get the bad table when you come.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: modage on June 26, 2003, 09:33:08 PM
mmm...im hungry now.  what do snobs eat?  i want some.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Sleuth on June 26, 2003, 09:38:19 PM
how come you guys use that southern thing when you are being authortative?  reading this thread I've learned that it aint happenin', it just ain't happenin' and it's done been shot down
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Cecil on June 26, 2003, 09:39:40 PM
Quote from: themodernage02mmm...im hungry now.  what do snobs eat?  i want some.

i believe shite is the speciale du jour
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: modage on June 26, 2003, 09:45:23 PM
sounds delightful, better make that 2.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Sleuth on June 26, 2003, 09:46:55 PM
I reckon you guys cut that out 'for someone gets hurt, y'hear?
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Cecil on June 26, 2003, 10:14:03 PM
Quote from: themodernage02sounds delightful, better make that 2.

oui, oui, monsieur. right away

and will ze southern gentleman above take someting? i zoo not understand zis... "cut it out," oui? not on ze menu, monsieur
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: SoNowThen on June 27, 2003, 08:59:29 AM
Jeez, it's like GT asked for a fucking "I like to eat babies" thread, or something, the way people here are jumping on him. It's one thing to say no, but to jump all over the guy because you think he's a snob? How is wanting to talk about foreign film "snobbery"? The guy loves foreign movies, and would like to see them get more exposure here -- if anything, that's a great film passion, and is admirable. So there's ragging on polls, and on lists, now foreign movies.... that sounds like snobbery to me: Only talk about what I like, fuck you if you wanna talk about anything else... it's not important enough to me.

If Xixax and the rest of the admins say No, then of course, it's their board and we should respect their decision. But there's no need to crucify a guy just because he tried to offer an idea on how to make the board more expansive.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Pedro on June 27, 2003, 11:08:53 AM
Quote from: SoNowThenJeez, it's like GT asked for a fucking "I like to eat babies" thread, or something,
...I'd sign my name to that.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Cecil on June 27, 2003, 11:33:05 AM
is this directed at the shit du jour snob restaurant bit?
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: SoNowThen on June 27, 2003, 11:38:50 AM
Well, just the whole backlash in general.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 27, 2003, 01:22:49 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetHopefully, these are final thoughts on the subject coming from me. The idea has been thrown out and is known and nothing more can be done to persuade anyone.

I do feel a cause to back up my own petition against critics considering of the validity of a foreign film forum.

~rougerum
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 27, 2003, 01:44:21 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenBut there's no need to crucify a guy just because he tried to offer an idea on how to make the board more expansive.

The problem is, he thought he was being crucified before anyone said anything.

You can pretend you're the underdog, or you can accept defeat. The people have spoken, and they are mostly indifferent. Dr. Xixax has also spoken.

I personally don't think it's appropriate. The Director's Chair is not exactly the backbone of Xixax, and I think we have a healthy amount of foreign film discussion across the entire land of Xixax. Moving foriegn film discussion from the popular General Discussion areas to a little corner at the bottom of Xixax would, if anything, marginalize foreign films.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 27, 2003, 01:59:50 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: SoNowThenBut there's no need to crucify a guy just because he tried to offer an idea on how to make the board more expansive.

The problem is, he thought he was being crucified before anyone said anything.

You can pretend you're the underdog, or you can accept defeat. The people have spoken, and they are mostly indifferent. Dr. Xixax has also spoken.

Just curious: How did I think I was being crucified before I even was? I looked back at the thread and the only thing that stuck out to me on that subject was my second post, which was an acceptance of defeat. After that, it seemed I was just arguing critics.

~rougerum
Title: Re: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 27, 2003, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet (in the first post of this thread)This can be ignored by all the guys in charge and nothing done about for it. That's fine . . . One of the controversies going on now is that with the PTA Film Festival, it is designated in thought and process mainly for the American Crowd
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 27, 2003, 02:21:32 PM
That wasn't an act of believed crucification, but relating that this petition was still a suggestion only and like the comments "This can be ignored by all the guys in charge and nothing done about for it. That's fine . . . " relate to the fact that a suggestion has no weight of any sort. It may have been just bad grammar on my part considering my believed persona of being angst for the point of being angst to be angst, but to tell the truth, that was lighthearted. Maybe just saying suggestion would have been better in my part. Either way, its history now.

~rougerum
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 27, 2003, 02:35:59 PM
I still refuse to believe that your second post was an acceptance of defeat.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWell, thank you modernage for at least signing your name. I don't expect anyone else to do so at all. I guess I am dissapointed considering how easy and inconveniant of a thing it would have been for more people to sign this and how little of a difference there would be to the forum. I like this board, but I don't count on it for much.

You might have been expressing your respect for the admins, you might have been feeling modest, you might have shed a tear... I don't know.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetHopefully, these are final thoughts on the subject coming from me. The idea has been thrown out and is known and nothing more can be done to persuade anyone.

I do feel a cause to back up my own petition against critics considering of the validity of a foreign film forum.

So what's going on? Are you still fighting the good fight?
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 27, 2003, 02:49:48 PM
The fight is not against the admins or were never expressed as fighting for the petition to get through and the forum up. I am just arguing with people on the validity of the idea since criticism against my specific points were brought up. That's all. What are you trying to say?

~rougerum
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: SHAFTR on June 27, 2003, 02:53:31 PM
ahhh

SHAFTR

k.
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: ono on June 27, 2003, 03:01:17 PM
Two questions:

1) Why is this thread still open?
2) Are you gonna eat the rest of that baby?
Title: 'Foreign Language Film and Director Forum' Petition
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 27, 2003, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetIt may have been just bad grammar on my part considering my believed persona of being angst for the point of being angst to be angst, but to tell the truth, that was lighthearted

I guess I'll have to believe this.

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wackyworld.tv%2Fimages%2F25ascension_s.jpg&hash=e17988bb4b52c53c408d7e2c6c6fb1cae3bb187f)

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI accept defeat, hold no grudges, and will move on.

Very well then. Case closed.

PM me (http://xixax.com/privmsg.php?mode=post&u=21), sign a petition to unlock this thread